Where are you getting two sword usage in the Medieval peroid?!? Rennissance sources have paired rapiers (case of rapiers) and there is some mention of paired swords, but Medieval...no one I have known has been able to find a medieval source for it. Some Medieval masters address the topic of paired weapons, but they seem to all agree that unequal length weapons are superior to equal length; ie a sword/buckler or sword/dagger works better for offense/defense. Where is the evidence for your style
@thegerbilsmith69 There were Gladiators in Rome that fought with two-swords. They were called "Dimachaerus" The word in Greek means Two Swords. "Di" meaning Two and "Mechaera" meaning War-sword. Machi is the Greek root for war. Two weapon from where also used in Asia. It does not take to much imagination to pick up to swords in any historical period and figure out a way to use them effectively over a period of time.
@thegerbilsmith69 It is also worth noting that the period middle ages was a period of illiteracy. Nobles (the fighting class) did not read or write. They is no documentation of even more common sword and shield techniques in that period, or greatsword techniques or polearm techniques. It less likely that unpopular forms would have been documented. As soon as literacy become more common in the Renaissance you see a pair of rapiers in DeGrasse.
SCA combat started late 60's and early 70's. Knights and others used 'wasters', wooden swords, to train but they were shaped like swords, not round. this was in part so you can tell if you hit properly. the SCA plays a sport; real medieval combat has grappling with or without using the weapon. armored/unarmored combat, as well as half-swording. If one is hit in the leg in real combat you aren't given a choice to fight on one knee, you fight on or die. and real combat does not limit targets!
@thegerbilsmith69 See some of my other video where I fight with steel blades. Look for "The Duel". I here I swap my rattan sword for a steel blunt and fight away without skipping a beat. It is the same thing to me. Also see the "Tuchux" grappling video.
@baphomet418 Those sticks weigh about 3 lbs and are balanced like real swords. If you google "Behourdium Tradition" you will see that in the middle-ages Knights also used sticks in training and tournaments.
@Dimitri0809 I do rapier fencing too. I have a few videos posted that you can watch. The main difference is that the Rapier was intended for unarmored combat by civilians in urban areas. Civilians did not go to the market place in full armor so a small light sword was sufficient for defense. When no armor is worn, you only need about 3 inches of penetration with the tip to incapacitate someone.
@Dimitri0809 On a battlefield all men usually wear some armor. Even thick leather will offer protection against glancing blows. Only powerful blows will be effective. On a battlefield shields are also common too. The cut offers a lot power potential do to the rotational velocity of the sword. The tip of a cut is traveling about 3 times faster then the hand is that is holding the sword. A sword cut from a type X sword can deliver an effective energy equal to about 185 ft-lbs with the edge.
@Sharakra There are many aggressive fighters. Pure aggression will only work on new people. Experienced fighters know how to deal with pure aggression. At the higher levels deception is the only thing that wins. Aggression can be one of many useful tools... but alone it will not go far.
the guy with the shield isn't even using it to its full potential. as you can see hes letting it rest next to his body in the battle and not to mention he doesn't use it to swat an opening or use it offensively which is very unsafe even in play. put a south paw in place of the shield dude and I bet you get a way better result.
I think I get it now. The weakest point of the sword and shield is the sword itself. Shortblades would be a better choice, or a longsword in the hand matching the opponent's sword arm and a shorter weapon in the other. Whether in defensive or offensive position, the key is to strike/pin the sword with the matching hand of attack and use the other to open the shield like a door and strike (for basic techniques)
@SavageInsight Pinning a shieldmans sword against his own shield, or opening him up by pealing his shield back, will no doubt yield an advantage... however against a more skilled opponent it will be more difficult. It is best to have multiple tactics and strategies and shift them around to keep you opponent unsure of what will happen next.
@SavageInsight Sword length is not important as how well you use what you have. Each weapon has its own advantages and disadvantages. I prefer a sword where the tip falls just short of the floor when I point it down weighting about 2.5 lbs and balancing about 8 inches down the blade. A short sword can yield more options when in close while losing options at a distance. A longer sword of course has more range and greater rotational velocity.
@leslucas We use fully powered blows. We are all calibrated for Mail Armor regardless of what we are actually wearing. The blows have to be hard enough so that if we were using edged blades, they would break bone through mail or bruise the muscles beyond use. The round wooden weapons that we use are at a minimum 1.25 inches wide, so they spread out the impact rather then concentrate it on a fine point. We still get bruises through armor sometimes.
@tsafa1 I am sorry, but that was not a fully powered blow. I respect that maybe when the camera is not on this may be true, however, the blow that put him down was glancing at best, greaves are there for a reason. Can you explain the reasoning for going down on both knees if you were only hit on one leg? Even if that was a fully powered blow you should still remain standing. (Adrenaline will keep you standing with a broken leg, unless you get hit with shock as well).
@leslucas The blows are self recognized. We all have a basic idea of how hard the blows are suppose to be. Now some people take lighter blows. There is no rule against that. There is a number of reasons someone might take a lighter blow. First they may not want to look like there are not taking shots, so the prefer to err on the side of taking too light blows. The other reason is they may not want to get hit with very hard blows. If you don't take shots, you get hit harder for sure.
@leslucas Give me the exact timing of the shot in the video and I will take a look at it and see what I think.
As far as can you keep fighting with only one leg injured, it really depends on the individual. People have all sorts of pain thresholds. I have seen people break a bone in their hand and hardly notice it till the next day. I have seen other people break the same bone and can't use their arm at all. The rules simplify things. Competition would not be possible otherwise.
@voxximous No, but i've fractured my wrist, broke 4 fingers, shattered an ankle and collarbone, and have 3 concussions. Thats not including muscle tears, popping joints and various other pleasant experiences. I am sure legs will follow sometime, i'll get back to you then.
so I'm curious here. are you in and your sparring partner using SCA Combat and Training Rules? Because i noticed right off the bat, that it looks like your using rattan sticks or equivelants and i'm not sure if you just prefer them over blunted steel blades or cant afford steel swords or again if your training with SCA rules.
@SithDuelist45 We are doing SCA training here. I have other videos posted were I am fighting outside the SCA with NO Rules. My SCA training has given me a good basis to fight outside the SCA successfully. I only need to make minor adjustments to how I fight. I have a cool Tu Chux Grappling video that you should check out.
Samurai training and Knight training differ when you regard their focus. A knight generally wears heavy plate or scale armor with chain and padded armor. Their blades were also solid pieces of metal. Samurai wore lighter armor and used extremely sharp weapons. Both fighting styles have merits. I think they each have advantages and in the end, it comes down to the singular mastery of each fighter. Remember fights to the death have no rematches :)
Samaurai used plate armor too. The bow and the polearm were the samurai's primary weapons early on. The Katana, while early ones dated as far back as the 1200's it is after the 1500's that they saw popular use. The katana is more contemporary to the rapier which was used in towns where people generally did not wear armor. The katana reached its height in Japan in the 1700's and 1800's during times of peace.
Neither Knights nor Samurai were defined by their weapon or their armor or their fighting styles. They were above all a "class of people". They had certain obligations of service to their lords and were entitled to certain benefits from both the lords above them and the peasants below them.
I was speaking of Judo, the wrestling art form that could break a man's bones with little or no effort by using leverage of the body. Not kung fu if that is what you were getting at.
This is true, but they had martial training that the western world didn't have. A Samurai could lose his weapon and still kill their opponents in unarmed combat. A Knight is generally screwed without his blade, which is why if I were in that era, I would always carry a long knife with me. I actually prefer a mace or axe and shield because of the crushing capability against heavy armor, and they can break an arm even if stopped by a shield.
What hand to hand combat training was given to medieval knights to kill enemies while unarmed? I've never heard of any and would like to learn more about it.
Actually they were trained with - idk how to say thios in english but the closest word is i thing - wrestle. Normal knight was able to disarm any opponent with bare hands and then kill him with weapon or without it. I'm in XIV/XV and XVI/XVII century combat for about 7 years so know what I'm saying. If I will have more time I will find You some old manuscripts about this. Cheers mate!
lol I did this with some friends of mine in ghetto armor and wooden dowels, we would duct tape cardboard inside a hoody and wear a jacket over them, and use a football helmet. We also made plywood shields, man those were the fun days. I was the only one of the group that would utilize the "shield" as an offensive/defensive weapon, a good horizontal swipe to the helm, slam to the chest, or "punch" to the weapon arm. While it leaves you open to an attack you generally only do it to exploit faults.
The SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) is an international, not for profit organization dedicated to re-creating the arts and skills of pre-17th-century Europe. Competitive combat is extremely popular within the organization but it is not limited to just that. In addition to the armored combat, rapier, cut & thrust, archery and thrown weapons, they also have arts and sciences that include brewing, sewing, weaving, calligraphy, beeding, cooking, dancing, music....
Participation is very cheap since it is a not for profit organization. For combat they have many local practices. You can find a local group at their website SCA[dot]org. They have events every weekend. Some of them involve traveling, but some will be close to you too. If you need more help in getting involved send me a PM.
I recently learned that there were Gladiators in Rome that fought with two-swords. They were called "Dimachaerus" The word in Greek means Two Swords. "Di" meaning Two and "Mechaera" meaning War-sword. Machi is the Greek root for war.
The twosword guy has very little armor on compared to what other people wear. He has full mobility. You will notice that there are no armor pieces touching each other. There is full motion of all joints.
If you were to wield two swords during the beginning of the battle, where would you have them sheathed? On the back seems unpractical and on a belt to each side seems awkward.
At the belt on each side can work. People have been know to wear two guns at the each side of their belt, this should not be that different. Beyond that, I really see two sword as a viable backup skill to have. Shields are knows to break in battle in the initial clash. It can be hard to replace a shield mid-battle. Picking a second sword up off the ground is practical. Any person who knows how to use a shield will be able to use a second sword to at least block.
Thanks for you comment. I'm not surprised at your experience. The Great sword has a very small range advantage over two-sword. Once the two-sword man is inside the Great sword range he can he can bind with one weapon and attack with the other. The Greatsword has maintain distance in order to stay in the fight.
Where are you getting two sword usage in the Medieval peroid?!? Rennissance sources have paired rapiers (case of rapiers) and there is some mention of paired swords, but Medieval...no one I have known has been able to find a medieval source for it. Some Medieval masters address the topic of paired weapons, but they seem to all agree that unequal length weapons are superior to equal length; ie a sword/buckler or sword/dagger works better for offense/defense. Where is the evidence for your style
thegerbilsmith69 4 months ago
@thegerbilsmith69 There were Gladiators in Rome that fought with two-swords. They were called "Dimachaerus" The word in Greek means Two Swords. "Di" meaning Two and "Mechaera" meaning War-sword. Machi is the Greek root for war. Two weapon from where also used in Asia. It does not take to much imagination to pick up to swords in any historical period and figure out a way to use them effectively over a period of time.
tsafa1 4 months ago
@thegerbilsmith69 It is also worth noting that the period middle ages was a period of illiteracy. Nobles (the fighting class) did not read or write. They is no documentation of even more common sword and shield techniques in that period, or greatsword techniques or polearm techniques. It less likely that unpopular forms would have been documented. As soon as literacy become more common in the Renaissance you see a pair of rapiers in DeGrasse.
tsafa1 4 months ago
SCA combat started late 60's and early 70's. Knights and others used 'wasters', wooden swords, to train but they were shaped like swords, not round. this was in part so you can tell if you hit properly. the SCA plays a sport; real medieval combat has grappling with or without using the weapon. armored/unarmored combat, as well as half-swording. If one is hit in the leg in real combat you aren't given a choice to fight on one knee, you fight on or die. and real combat does not limit targets!
thegerbilsmith69 4 months ago
@thegerbilsmith69 See some of my other video where I fight with steel blades. Look for "The Duel". I here I swap my rattan sword for a steel blunt and fight away without skipping a beat. It is the same thing to me. Also see the "Tuchux" grappling video.
tsafa1 4 months ago
Some body know song?=]
Thx;)
Tobson4 6 months ago
wow this video was boring till the music started.
DarkAssassin101100 8 months ago
their fighting with sticks! this isn't real swordsmanship.
baphomet418 8 months ago
@baphomet418 Those sticks weigh about 3 lbs and are balanced like real swords. If you google "Behourdium Tradition" you will see that in the middle-ages Knights also used sticks in training and tournaments.
tsafa1 8 months ago
This is very different to fencing.
Dimitri0809 9 months ago
@Dimitri0809 I do rapier fencing too. I have a few videos posted that you can watch. The main difference is that the Rapier was intended for unarmored combat by civilians in urban areas. Civilians did not go to the market place in full armor so a small light sword was sufficient for defense. When no armor is worn, you only need about 3 inches of penetration with the tip to incapacitate someone.
tsafa1 9 months ago
@Dimitri0809 On a battlefield all men usually wear some armor. Even thick leather will offer protection against glancing blows. Only powerful blows will be effective. On a battlefield shields are also common too. The cut offers a lot power potential do to the rotational velocity of the sword. The tip of a cut is traveling about 3 times faster then the hand is that is holding the sword. A sword cut from a type X sword can deliver an effective energy equal to about 185 ft-lbs with the edge.
tsafa1 9 months ago
to much strategy, an agressive fighter could dominate this "sport"
Sharakra 1 year ago
@Sharakra There are many aggressive fighters. Pure aggression will only work on new people. Experienced fighters know how to deal with pure aggression. At the higher levels deception is the only thing that wins. Aggression can be one of many useful tools... but alone it will not go far.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@tsafa1 hey that makes alot of sense, thanks xD
Sharakra 1 year ago
the guy with the shield isn't even using it to its full potential. as you can see hes letting it rest next to his body in the battle and not to mention he doesn't use it to swat an opening or use it offensively which is very unsafe even in play. put a south paw in place of the shield dude and I bet you get a way better result.
spliffslider 1 year ago
I think I get it now. The weakest point of the sword and shield is the sword itself. Shortblades would be a better choice, or a longsword in the hand matching the opponent's sword arm and a shorter weapon in the other. Whether in defensive or offensive position, the key is to strike/pin the sword with the matching hand of attack and use the other to open the shield like a door and strike (for basic techniques)
SavageInsight 1 year ago
@SavageInsight Pinning a shieldmans sword against his own shield, or opening him up by pealing his shield back, will no doubt yield an advantage... however against a more skilled opponent it will be more difficult. It is best to have multiple tactics and strategies and shift them around to keep you opponent unsure of what will happen next.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@SavageInsight Sword length is not important as how well you use what you have. Each weapon has its own advantages and disadvantages. I prefer a sword where the tip falls just short of the floor when I point it down weighting about 2.5 lbs and balancing about 8 inches down the blade. A short sword can yield more options when in close while losing options at a distance. A longer sword of course has more range and greater rotational velocity.
tsafa1 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this! I am learning two swords now and this helps. Your editing job is a good one. Appreciated.
sotcfc 1 year ago
@sotcfc Glad I could help. See you on the field.
tsafa1 1 year ago
You count your leg hacked even though it was a light tap on greaves?
leslucas 1 year ago
@leslucas We use fully powered blows. We are all calibrated for Mail Armor regardless of what we are actually wearing. The blows have to be hard enough so that if we were using edged blades, they would break bone through mail or bruise the muscles beyond use. The round wooden weapons that we use are at a minimum 1.25 inches wide, so they spread out the impact rather then concentrate it on a fine point. We still get bruises through armor sometimes.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@tsafa1 I am sorry, but that was not a fully powered blow. I respect that maybe when the camera is not on this may be true, however, the blow that put him down was glancing at best, greaves are there for a reason. Can you explain the reasoning for going down on both knees if you were only hit on one leg? Even if that was a fully powered blow you should still remain standing. (Adrenaline will keep you standing with a broken leg, unless you get hit with shock as well).
leslucas 1 year ago
@leslucas The blows are self recognized. We all have a basic idea of how hard the blows are suppose to be. Now some people take lighter blows. There is no rule against that. There is a number of reasons someone might take a lighter blow. First they may not want to look like there are not taking shots, so the prefer to err on the side of taking too light blows. The other reason is they may not want to get hit with very hard blows. If you don't take shots, you get hit harder for sure.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@tsafa1 oh i thought it was to give a smaller target or something lol boy was i right off!! =_=
taekkyonkid 1 year ago
@leslucas Give me the exact timing of the shot in the video and I will take a look at it and see what I think.
As far as can you keep fighting with only one leg injured, it really depends on the individual. People have all sorts of pain thresholds. I have seen people break a bone in their hand and hardly notice it till the next day. I have seen other people break the same bone and can't use their arm at all. The rules simplify things. Competition would not be possible otherwise.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@leslucas you've never had a broken leg then
voxximous 1 year ago
@voxximous No, but i've fractured my wrist, broke 4 fingers, shattered an ankle and collarbone, and have 3 concussions. Thats not including muscle tears, popping joints and various other pleasant experiences. I am sure legs will follow sometime, i'll get back to you then.
leslucas 1 year ago
so I'm curious here. are you in and your sparring partner using SCA Combat and Training Rules? Because i noticed right off the bat, that it looks like your using rattan sticks or equivelants and i'm not sure if you just prefer them over blunted steel blades or cant afford steel swords or again if your training with SCA rules.
SithDuelist45 1 year ago
@SithDuelist45 We are doing SCA training here. I have other videos posted were I am fighting outside the SCA with NO Rules. My SCA training has given me a good basis to fight outside the SCA successfully. I only need to make minor adjustments to how I fight. I have a cool Tu Chux Grappling video that you should check out.
tsafa1 1 year ago
Didn't the shieldwielding fighter leave his legs very vulnerable at the beginning?
Venethor 2 years ago
@Venethor I sure did. That is why I got hit there. Lesson learned the hard way.
tsafa1 1 year ago
Samurai training and Knight training differ when you regard their focus. A knight generally wears heavy plate or scale armor with chain and padded armor. Their blades were also solid pieces of metal. Samurai wore lighter armor and used extremely sharp weapons. Both fighting styles have merits. I think they each have advantages and in the end, it comes down to the singular mastery of each fighter. Remember fights to the death have no rematches :)
jaguor 2 years ago
Samaurai used plate armor too. The bow and the polearm were the samurai's primary weapons early on. The Katana, while early ones dated as far back as the 1200's it is after the 1500's that they saw popular use. The katana is more contemporary to the rapier which was used in towns where people generally did not wear armor. The katana reached its height in Japan in the 1700's and 1800's during times of peace.
tsafa1 2 years ago
Neither Knights nor Samurai were defined by their weapon or their armor or their fighting styles. They were above all a "class of people". They had certain obligations of service to their lords and were entitled to certain benefits from both the lords above them and the peasants below them.
tsafa1 2 years ago
I was speaking of Judo, the wrestling art form that could break a man's bones with little or no effort by using leverage of the body. Not kung fu if that is what you were getting at.
Atheistcat2004 2 years ago
This is true, but they had martial training that the western world didn't have. A Samurai could lose his weapon and still kill their opponents in unarmed combat. A Knight is generally screwed without his blade, which is why if I were in that era, I would always carry a long knife with me. I actually prefer a mace or axe and shield because of the crushing capability against heavy armor, and they can break an arm even if stopped by a shield.
Atheistcat2004 2 years ago
if You write that western people didn,t have martial training then You know nothing about it.
HelelbenShahar86 2 years ago
What hand to hand combat training was given to medieval knights to kill enemies while unarmed? I've never heard of any and would like to learn more about it.
Atheistcat2004 2 years ago
Actually they were trained with - idk how to say thios in english but the closest word is i thing - wrestle. Normal knight was able to disarm any opponent with bare hands and then kill him with weapon or without it. I'm in XIV/XV and XVI/XVII century combat for about 7 years so know what I'm saying. If I will have more time I will find You some old manuscripts about this. Cheers mate!
HelelbenShahar86 2 years ago 2
Well, I'll make sure to look it up, thanks.
Atheistcat2004 2 years ago
lol I did this with some friends of mine in ghetto armor and wooden dowels, we would duct tape cardboard inside a hoody and wear a jacket over them, and use a football helmet. We also made plywood shields, man those were the fun days. I was the only one of the group that would utilize the "shield" as an offensive/defensive weapon, a good horizontal swipe to the helm, slam to the chest, or "punch" to the weapon arm. While it leaves you open to an attack you generally only do it to exploit faults.
Atheistcat2004 2 years ago
there are none of these sword fighting places in Miami, or south florida even :( .....if you know of any plz measage me :P
bababui25 2 years ago
I will pm you with contacts.
tsafa1 2 years ago
creed
Lord0Delete 2 years ago
Could anyone tell me what is SCA about? Seriously.
Duwenbleidd 2 years ago
The SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) is an international, not for profit organization dedicated to re-creating the arts and skills of pre-17th-century Europe. Competitive combat is extremely popular within the organization but it is not limited to just that. In addition to the armored combat, rapier, cut & thrust, archery and thrown weapons, they also have arts and sciences that include brewing, sewing, weaving, calligraphy, beeding, cooking, dancing, music....
tsafa1 2 years ago
Participation is very cheap since it is a not for profit organization. For combat they have many local practices. You can find a local group at their website SCA[dot]org. They have events every weekend. Some of them involve traveling, but some will be close to you too. If you need more help in getting involved send me a PM.
tsafa1 2 years ago
I believed that Roman Gladiators used a glove with spikes on it.
tsafa1 2 years ago
I recently learned that there were Gladiators in Rome that fought with two-swords. They were called "Dimachaerus" The word in Greek means Two Swords. "Di" meaning Two and "Mechaera" meaning War-sword. Machi is the Greek root for war.
tsafa1 2 years ago
The twosword guy has very little armor on compared to what other people wear. He has full mobility. You will notice that there are no armor pieces touching each other. There is full motion of all joints.
tsafa1 2 years ago
If you were to wield two swords during the beginning of the battle, where would you have them sheathed? On the back seems unpractical and on a belt to each side seems awkward.
FlamesofSorrow1 2 years ago
At the belt on each side can work. People have been know to wear two guns at the each side of their belt, this should not be that different. Beyond that, I really see two sword as a viable backup skill to have. Shields are knows to break in battle in the initial clash. It can be hard to replace a shield mid-battle. Picking a second sword up off the ground is practical. Any person who knows how to use a shield will be able to use a second sword to at least block.
tsafa1 2 years ago
i fought some one with two swords i was useing a great sword he beat me fast...
neoloverr 3 years ago
Thanks for you comment. I'm not surprised at your experience. The Great sword has a very small range advantage over two-sword. Once the two-sword man is inside the Great sword range he can he can bind with one weapon and attack with the other. The Greatsword has maintain distance in order to stay in the fight.
tsafa1 3 years ago