Alexei Kasatonov First NHL Hockey Fight Pounds Ron Francis

[SwinkyDinkyMB]

Kasatonov was my coach for about 5 years.

[Airman241]

checkout the old Devils uniforms Ron Francis fighting?

[alvo69]

I'll venture the "KLM Line" was the greatest in International hockey, while Gretzky, Kurri, and Anderson was the BEST ever in the NHL. Lots of GREAT runner-ups, but NO ONE equalled their output, NO ONE. Damn, I really miss that GREAT pre-Bettman Era.... as opposed to his "Pussification of Hockey Era" - A WHALERS FAN

[buttkick22]

v=lqVqEFGWmyA this is where i first caught him

[buttkick22]

ummm when and where did i say i've spoken to wasted years personally?.....r u working on some sort of way to spin ur way outta this one?.....too much evidence dude, cut ur losses

[huntercalgary]

j kordic vs todd ewen....

[buttkick22]

look at my favs.....the brandon sugden KO and the one about canada.....both have him double arguing again....he seriously has no shame

[mirzayanov]

I used to go to kasatonov clinics and camps and he was hardcore, would it matter if your 21 years old and you take hockey clinics from him? does anyone know? tell me if you know thanks

[ChetCampbell72]

What makes you think that either one of these guy's is Ron Francis. He was never a Devil, and although he played for the Pens, he played years after this video.

[tp71]

It is Ronnie, he wore 9 in his first penguins season because Pederson had 10, he took his known #10 the next season.

[CertifiedArmorer]

When Ron was traded to the Penguins on March 4, 1991 number 10 was taken. It wasnt until the following year Ron got his number 10 back. He was number 4 as a rookie with the Whale.

[TruePensFan]

*sigh* Another fan who thinks he knows it all.  Sheesh. drummerjoeinAZ, Ron Francis wasn't always #10. When "Badger" Bob Johnson was coaching the Pens, Francis was wearing the #9.

As for Kasatonov: quite possibly the greatest d-man in the history of hockey. It's a shame he didn't defect to the NHL while he was still at his peak. When I think of the greatest d-men in the history of the sport in their primes, I think of Kasatonov, Potvin, and Orr.

[gun4hire]

When I think of Kasatonov I think of how shitty the Mighty Ducks were in NHL '94

[BoSoxnation1972]

Well dipshit, the reason he wore number 9, which he only had for only half a season, was that Bob Errey already had number 10 when Francis was traded to Pitt from Hartford! And putting Potvin in the same sentence with Orr? Are you drunk? Orr, Doug Harvey, Ray Bourque, and Nicklas Lidstrom are the 4 best D-men in NHL history. Kasatanov wasn't even as good as Fetisov! Fetisov was the Russian Bobby Orr, not Kasatonov you asshat! Do you even watch hockey?

[tp71]

He was referencing Kasatonov to when he played at his PEAK in Russia. Yes he wasnt as good as he was in the NHL as he was in Russia, but that doesnt take away from the fact that he was a top notch defenceman. Unfortunately he was past his prime once he came to the NHL. I agree with your D men list, but Denis Potvin was also one of the best. And due to Kasatonovs entire career, not just in the NHL i think TruePensFan's comments are justified. Do you not think Tretiak is one of the best goalies?

[BoSoxnation1972]

I think Tretiak is the best goalie, but you arent following what I'm saying! It's pretty fucking simple! Kasatonov was not the best defenseman on the Russian national teams-Fetisov was! Fetisov was the Russian Bobby Orr, not Kasatonov!

[tp71]

I think Tretiak is one of the best goalies of all time...you dont have to just play in the NHL to be considered one of the best hockey players of all time, thats why its the best HOCKEY players of all time, not best NHLers of all time. I mean...good on the correction of why Francis wore #9, but no need to be rude calling people dipshit and asshat for their opinions. Its an opinion that he thinks Kasatonov is one of the best. You disagree, thats fine, but no need to call him an asshat.

[BoSoxnation1972]

Then I'll just call you an asshat then! I never said that you have to play in the NHL to be considered one of the best, and I actually agree with you about Tretiak. Personally I think he's the greatest goalie I've ever seen. But for Pensfan to compare Kasatanov to Bobby Orr, when Kasatanov wasn't even the best on his Russian team, is just asinine. If he knew anything about hockey, he'd realize it was Fetisov that was Russia's greatest D-man of all-time!

[tp71]

Alright...well im gonna stay cool and not get into the name calling...do whatever you want...Fetisov may be the greatest russian defenseman of all time in your opinion, in Pensfans opinion its Kasatonov, sure Fetisov put up more points, and Orr is the greatest defenceman of all time im not saying he isnt, he is possibly the greatest player of all time, although I personally give that to Lemieux, but thats another debate. But my point is, scoring points isnt a defensemans job and i think thats..

[tp71]

what your basing it more or less on. A defensemans job is to defend, not just to score points, although you have Doug Harvey in, and hes the best shut down d man in history in my mind. But with Fetisov and Kasatonov, they were both great in their own right. Fetisov for scoring, Kasatonov not necessarily so, but again, Russian players arent my strong point in hockey history, 50s and 60s hockey and pre nhl are. Ill need to do some more research on them both to give you my full opinion on whos...

[tp71]

..better, but I respect both your opinions. One says Kasatonov, the other says Fetisov. Thats good, I love debate. Ill just talk to my buddy tonight whos the biggest pens fan ive seen, not this guy, but knows more about Russian hockey than any person Ive met. Then we'll have a debate. My final word for now is that they were great in their own respects. Although I love Tretiak, I dont consider him the best of all time, that will forever go for me, to Terry Sawchuk of Winnipeg Manitoba. 103 zeros!

[tp71]

Actually, one more thing Bosox. No where did pens fan COMPARE Orr to Kasatonov. To compare them would be to say they are alike, as you do with Fetisov and Orr. He just said when he thinks of great D men Orr, Kasatonov and Dennis Potvin come to mind. Theres no saying Kasatonov was like Orr, or Kasatonov skated like Orr, Kasatonov should have played against Orr it would have been so close. He never said that, he left them along as their own defensemen from their own era, no comparing.

[BoSoxnation1972]

I didn't compare Fetisov and Orr. Actually I just stated a fact that Fetisov was known as "The Russian Bobby Orr." That's how the TV commentators and newspapermen of the day referred to him.

[BoSoxnation1972]

No, I have Doug Harvey rated as the second best defenseman of all time, and he never scored 10 goals in a season.

Look, obviously you just dont get it, and probably never will because you're thick. If someone stated that Chris Chelios was the greatest defenseman in Montreal Canadians history, you can say "that's his opinion" all you want. But I'm gonna tell the guy he's a fucking idiot, because Chelios, while being a great player, couldn't carry Harvey's jock. Do you get it now?

[tp71]

Alright, done some research and I can safely say on talking to a few people, that Kasatonov was indeed better than Fetisov. While Fetisov put up better offensive numbers than kasatonov, kasatonov was more defensively sound. From my friend who knows 80s Russian hockey real well, "Fetisov was more like a Mike Green, Kasatonov was more of a Nik Lidstrom." I never said you said Doug Harvey was the best, and I agree he is the 2nd best. I said he is the best SHUT DOWN defenceman, and im thick?

[tp71]

Now, the Chelios to Harvey example is quite extreme. Comparing Chelios to Harvey isnt even fair, while comparing Kasatonov to Fetisov is a lot closer. I would definately have Kasatonov in my top 10 however, with Orr at #1 and Harvey at #2...theres no questioning that. But you are drastically underrating Kasatonov, Mr Bosox. And i really think you need to re-estimate how good Kasatonov was compared to Fetisov and the rest of hockey...I got it a long time ago. You never will.

[BoSoxnation1972]

Listen, fuckstick...My next door neighbor for almost 3 years was a kid named Sergei Samsonov. We talked hockey about once a week for HOURS while watching games and having a few beers. Kasatanov was a great player, but he was nowhere close to fetisov. Put it this way...he paralelled the difference as being the same between Ray Bourque and Scott Stevens. It's not even a discussion who was the better all around player in his mind.Was Kasatanov tougher? sure! But better in no other aspect of hockey!

[wastedyears86]

Comparing Kasatonov to Stevens is just ridiculous. Stevens was a great body presence, but didn't bring a quarter of what Kasatonov brought to the table.

I'm sure your neighbor wasn't Samsonov, but even if it was, so what? What makes you think any pro player who never played with or against Kasatonov could make any more an accurate account on the subject than us?(their time with Moscow in 94 was played during different parts of the season) His opinion hold no more water than yours or mine.

[wastedyears86]

All he did was watch him like us. Again, you're taking things that have nothing to do with defense as an argument on who's better. So what if Kasatonov was opposed to the fall of the Iron Curtain, he still played better defense than Fetisov.

And by the way, Orr never played against Fetisov, in the NHL or internationally. And he will tell you Kharlamov was the greatest Russian to ever play.

I'm going to make this really easy for you... If I (and most intelligent hockey fans and coches) had to..

[wastedyears86]

pick whether to take Kasatonov or Fetisov for my first defensive pairing, I take Kasatonov in most situations. How far did all run and gun offense from the forwards and defense get the Capitals this year? How far did it get the Bruins all those years with the 'GREAT' Ray Bourque? The great teams had good offensive defensemen, but the dynasties had good offensive defensemen who played both side of the puck. Although, the Oilers in the 80's were just an offensive anomaly.

When it comes down to

[wastedyears86]

it, in the finals, you want a guy who has a good offensive kick, but can SHUT DOWN the opposing teams best players. Read 'Gretzky to Lemieux - the 87 Canada cup', it is stated in there countless times that the team thought Kasatonov was one of the players hardest to ever play against offensively, NHL or internationally, and definitely for the 87' Russian squad. Kasatonov played the whole PK, Fetisov saw almost no time on it.

In the 87' Canada cup, Fetisov had the worst +- on the Soviet Squad.

[wastedyears86]

and was tied for 3rd worst in the tournament, behind two Czechs. 3rd worst in a tournament sporting some 120 players, on the team that was a heavy favorite, no less.

[huntercalgary]

bosox=kidpoker.....lol

[wastedyears86]

Haha, you thought so too, eh? No two people can be that dense. I knew something was up :P.

[huntercalgary]

yes....i've been destroying bosoxnation since the begining with his own drool....

i don't have to make up crap...i use his posts to expose that kid....he's only 15-17yo.........lol

[wastedyears86]

Haha, well have you seen his insults? Fuck-stick! Boob!

I think 15-17 is being generous.

[wastedyears86]

Where else have you been tearing him up? I want to see this lol.

[huntercalgary]

bosox on every post he has a different career or acomplishment... sports jounalist for 17yrs sports therapist owns 2 bars bartended for joey kocur in detroit bartended for jay miller in boston sean gagnon is his cousin lives nextdoor to b shannahan tore up his dads tix infront of harry sinden goldenglove champ,mma expert lt detective golfed every resort at hilton head has season tix to bruins,pats,celtics,sox cheers for himself during clowning

[huntercalgary]

ck out mcgill neely....berube byers...hunter semenko...byers baumgartner... downey byers...lucic fights ect.....lol

i'll find more for your entertainment.........

[huntercalgary]

neely carkner.......brown mcphee....nystrom stevens

[buttkick22]

lqVqEFGWmyA....this is where it all started, i was the first to figure it out since it was so obvious the i recruited huntercalgary since i knew he hated him as much as me and also knew he was full of shit BEFORE he invented kidpokerleafsfan...scXShE7C-94­.....i have more if u need more proof

[BoSoxnation1972]

Fetisov was nothing like mike Green! In addition to scoring more points, he had the best +/-in the history of the russian national team! Do you even follow hockey? Kasatanov was a rat who tried to block russian players from coming to the NHL. Quote your imaginary friends all day long...Bobby Orr, Ray Bourque, Wayne Gretzky, and Mario Lemieux all said that Fetisov was the greatest russian PLAYER they ever played against in the NHL. Their oppinion carries more weight than your fake friends! LOL

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

I'm jumping in! I don't like taking people's sides that I dont know, but this isn't even close! Fetisov IS the Russian Bobby Orr, end of story! Kasatanov is a great defenceman, but it's really not even close. Kasatanov was tough as nails, but Fetisov was a complete player, maybe not as good as Orr, but better than Nick Lidstrom, who is the best the game has seen since Bourque retired. tp, your argument would be like comparing Paul Kariya to Wayne Gretzky! It's not even close!

[wastedyears86]

Fetisov is the Russian Bobby Orr, with out the outstanding ability to play defense. Again, we are talking about defenseman here. We're not talking about a player who compromised defense for the offensive side of the game.

BoSox, incorrect about the +/- stat. That record is held by Anatoli Firsov. And it's for the soviet team anyways, not the Russians.

Oh, by the way, the consensus from the Canadian side is that Makarov was no doubt the best on that team. "The Russian Gretzky". Sound familiar?

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

I agree with Bosox, you get more ridiculous every post, and you reply 15 times to each to overcompensate for your lack of facts. You brought a defenseman from the 1940's named Sologubov into the conversation that none of us ever heard of, and on the page that I had to google him, said that anyone who knows anything about the history of hockey knows that it's a coin flip between Fetisov and Sologubov being the greatest Russian defenceman ever. Your argument misses the mark.

[wastedyears86]

So tell me how it misses the mark, kid. Check all those posts. All facts. A lot more substance than calling people fuckstick and ending your post to compensate for no hockey knowledge.

And yes, I did bring him in. We ARE talking about Russian defensemen, do try and follow the conversation. I know it can be hard when you're 10 to up hold an adult conversation, but do try?

I also said I think Sugolubov is better than both of them, then Kasatonov, then Fetisov. I still fail to see where I miss the

[wastedyears86]

mark?

Either way, you are of no more use to my time, so I won't be replying to you anymore. I'd tell you to go watch some soft european sport as well, or any sport for that matter, but you wouldn't understand it anyways. So instead of going to watch a sport, go the kitchen, ask your mom for a sandwich and some juice, take a seat, and draw some pretty maple leafs.

Night, kid. It's past your bed time.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

I notice you didn't reply to my comment on Bob Errey wearing number 10. I guess this "kid" just made you look foolish. Don't sweat it though grandpa. I've forgotton more about hockey than you've ever known.

1) Fetisov > kasatonov

2) I > you

3)Bob Errey wore number 10

If there's anything else I can help you with please let me know.

[wastedyears86]

I've made it very clear. When Francis was in Pittsburgh. The WHOLE TIME he was in Pittsburgh. Errey was wearing 12, I was just wrong about who was wearing it when he was first traded. It's all irrelevant though, as I've slapped you around in every aspect of this conversation.

Make some good arguments, then MAYBE you can think about holding my jock.

Errey wore 10 in the 80's, before Francis ever arrived.

Haha, you duster.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

I just posted a link to the 1988-1989 Pittsburgh Penguins homepage where Bob Errey was listed as number 10, and Dan Quinn was listed as number 9 on your homepage comments section. Go ahead and delete it if you want because you're embarrassed. I have no idea who wore what because I was an infant.

[wastedyears86]

Infant? I wasn't even born yet. I don't see how mixing up one number of a player in one season is embarrassing. I can ring off any kind of Pens knowledge you need. Come see me. I'll teach you something about Penguins hockey.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

I just debunked your entire arguement for getting into a name callingfest on this particular video. I posted the link to the Pittsburgh Penguins homepage which shows that you had been mistaken, and I'm glad you finally acknowledge that. Perhaps the next step in the healing process is for you to study Fetisov and Kasatonov further, and realize that Kasatonov was a rat who wasn't even dressing for the Devils because his Russian teammates knew he was a rat. Look it up for yourself.

[wastedyears86]

I have been admitting I was incorrect about the Errey number thing since the start. Learn how to read.

I've seen more and read more about Russian hockey than you ever will. In my 20 years, I know more about hockey in my left ass cheek than you do in your whole body.

Until you actually post a VALID argument, you will have been trumped by someone in College.

You're idiocy comes through in the fact that you see Kasatonovs political views as a knock on his game. His beliefs mean nothing.

[huntercalgary]

boston487744-bosoxnation1972 (1 year ago) How shallow and empty is your life that you need to make things up to feel like you need to belong? Maybe your drunken ubnkle used to sneak into your bedroom late at night after say A BRUINS GAME and tickle you....only he really wasnt your uncle...and he really wasnt tickling you! lmao Just show me on the dolly where the bad man touched you!

[buttkick22]

dude he has a fake pic up now.....it's official, he has no shame and loves 17 year old boys with partially lifted shirts

[huntercalgary]

what a shock....he desires young boys....lol

[huntercalgary]

boston4877 aka bosoxnation 1972 aka kidpoker(8 months ago)

Lmao get a job? I own 2 bars dipshit. Go blow that Pussybag Rob Ray you cum swilling ass-pirate! I also bartended for Joey Kocur when I lived in Detroit and Jay Miller. In my later years I was a sports jounalist.'

this was a c/p from a bosox post....i bet bosox served underaged boys then drove them home....

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

You now acknowledge that you weren't born yet in 1988, yet want to wax intellectual about who was better, Kasatonov or Fetisov? I find that strange, since you called for back-up of someone who knows so much about Russian hockey. Why would you or tp71 drag in someone as an "expert witness" when neither of you are old enough to drive a car? I suggest you both study a bit more, and then get back to me, instead of mutually masturbating each other and telling each other that you are always right.

[wastedyears86]

The only thing you've truly debunked is the question 'Is KidPokerLeafsFan really that dense?'.

Answer? Surprisingly so.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

If I debunked the question, then there could not be an answer! I didn't even have to outsmart you there because you outsmarted yourself, Mr. Albert Einstein.

You make it too easy.

[wastedyears86]

Wrong on the Bob Errey call. Dan Quinn wore number 10 while Francis was in Pittsburgh his first half-season. Errey wore 12.

To elaborate on the Fetisov - Kasatonov argument, tp71 compared them to Green(Fetisov) and Lidstrom(Kasatonov).

This is a very good comparison, but to put it more into perspective I would replace the Mike Green comparison, and replace him with Paul Coffey, for longevity and consistencies sake.

Most of your average hockey fans look at Coffeys numbers, and many will rank him

[wastedyears86]

in their top 5 defencemen ever, but will totally over-look Lidstrom who gave up a lot of offensive prowess to Coffey, but played an excellent defensive game. Great stick work, always playing the man, not the puck, solid out-let passes, EXTREMELY defensively aware, a great leader and so much more. I'm not saying Paul Coffey didn't bring some of those things to the table, I am just saying people in Edmonton used to say "Having Coffey out there is like having a 4th forward out." Where as

[wastedyears86]

with Lidstrom, you can say "Having Lidstrom out there is like a having a 4th forward out, AND two defensemen."

I rank Lidstrom higher than I do Coffey on my list of all-time greatest defensemen for his DEFENSIVE play.

Kasatonov was that great mix of offense and defense that we see in Lidstrom. Where as Fetisov was more of your rush the puck player, like Coffey. Both great at their positions, but in hockey, what people look at is numbers. Not your health, or who you played with, but your numbers

[wastedyears86]

when they are ranking you. Fetisov put up better offensive numbers, and because of that won many DEFENSIVE awards in international play.

A very common play that was executed by the Green Unit was where Fetisov would carry the puck up the left hand wing, cross over through the neutral zone and carry the puck in to the offensive zone to shoot or pass while Vlad Krutov hung back and covered his defense. Shooting on this play or dishing to Larionov or Makarov is where he got a lot of points, and how

[BoSoxnation1972]

How was Kasatonov a great mix of offense and defense? He never scored more than 41 points in the NHL, and even in his prime for Russia, never hit 40points!

Fetisov was voted one of six players to the International Ice Hockey Federation's (IIHF) Team of the Century in a poll conducted by a group of 56 experts from 16 countries, receiving the most votes out of all players! THE END!

Go back to the kiddie table, Booster!

[wastedyears86]

Nice wikipedia quote, kid.

For Fetisov being SO MUCH more offensively gifted than Kasatonov, he only broke 40 points twice in the RSL (41 and 49 points), and only out-scored Kasatonov by a mark of 140 to 124, if I'm not mistaken. (and I didn't google that). Although, Fetisov played about 100 less games due to injury.

Fetisov also only had a career high in the NHL of 1 point higher than Kasatonov, 42. Kasatonov was also a better NHL player. We can even do this your way, based solely on stats...

[wastedyears86]

Fetisov had a career total of 228 points on 36 goals and 192 assists in 546 games for a career 0.065 GPG average and .4176 PPG average.

Kasatonov had a career total of 160 points on 38 goals and 122 assists in 383 career games for a 0.099 GPG average and a .4177 PPG average.

And we havent even started on defensive play yet, or in the difference in quality each respective player had playing around them.

You seem to throw out a lot of stats with out actually comparing them to Fetisovs,

[wastedyears86]

perhaps you should get off of google or wikipedia for a bit, if not, compare the stats before you start spouting off how "Kasatonov only had a career high of 41 in the NHL!!!' when Fetisovs was only 42...

I would also like to clarify that I think Fetisov was an excellent player. Excellent offensive skills, large body and did throw his weight around. Top 3 Russian defense men ever. I can see how some people would have an argument about the 1-2-3 seeding, either way, that's how mine rank.

[BoSoxnation1972]

Listen boob, the extra games that Fetisov played was when he was past his prime. For example, Chris Chelios' point per games played is being effected with him still playing in the league. Back when Fetisov and Kasatonov played, they werent using suppliments, HGH, Steroids, Sudafed, and anything else that many players take today to prolong their careers.

[BoSoxnation1972]

lmao you happened to know what their point totals were when they played in Russia? Hmm that's off because those games weren't televised in the United States ! LMFAO

You lose credibility every post, fuckstick! Keep telling yourself that Dan Quinn was wearing number 10 when Francis was on the Penguins...we all know he was traded Vancouver a year earlier dipshit!

Fetisov=team of the century...kasatonov? not so much! LMAO

Kasatonov was exposed in the expansion draft for Christ's sake!

[BoSoxnation1972]

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? If I were to name the 10 greatest NHL defensemen of all-time, coffey would BARELY squeek into the conversation. He isn't even in Lidstrom's league, just as he wasn't in Ray Bourque's!

Coffey was a better skater than Ray, and that's were the discussion would end. Bourque averaged more points playing with inferior talent! Wanna compare Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Kurri, Federov, etc. to Neely Oates and Middleton? I didn't think so!

[BoSoxnation1972]

Am I fuckstick? LOL Dan Quinn was on Vancouver when Francis was traded to Pittsburgh you half a fucking retard! Quinn was traded to Vancouver by Pittsburgh with Dave Capuano and Andrew McBain for Rod Buskas, Barry Pederson and Tony Tanti, January 8, 1990. Ron Francis was on Hartford until Pitt made the deal on On March 4, 1991! Next time you try and correct someone, research the fact you imbecile! I'm EMBARRASSED for you Booster!

[tp71]

I am embarrassed for you and calling everyone fuckstick...youre a complete tool and are embarrassing yourself with your language...but if you want to throw out names...I played a year of hockey myself with a guy named Drew Doughty...know him? Oh and theres a very good possibility I'll be going to this years draft with Matt fucking Hackett...know who he is? Wanna toss names...ill toss names...congrats on living next to samsonov...i dont believe you, you fuckin ass hole...theres NO need to be rude

[tp71]

Its people like YOU bosox that makes talking hockey impossible, dickfaces who sit there googling every little stat where real fans know what theyre talking about. Did you google the Dan Quinn charge just to put him out or did you actually know that. Im embarrassed to be talking to such a tool...i mean..know who Clint Benedict is? Bad Joe Hall? Newsy Lalonde? Frank Mcgee? Bet youll come back telling me all about them after you do your google search and call me fuckstick and all that.

[tp71]

Its people like you who get no respect. You pull out POINTS for DEFENCEMEN...DEFENCEMEN ARE NOT ON THE ICE TO SCORE! POINTS FOR DEFENCEMEN DO NOT MAKE DEFENCEMEN GOOD...PLAYING GOOD DEFENCE DOES! To you leafs guy...never said Fetisov wasnt the russian bobby orr. But as wasted said. Kasatonov was a complete package and had to hang back to cover for Fetisov when he rushed. Therefore allowing fetisov to get points while Kasatonov focused on the defensive aspects of the game. If your gonna comment

[tp71]

on defencemen there bosox...pull out stats like +/- not points. Bryan Mccabe scored something like 20 goals one year, does that make him a good defenceman? No because he sucks defensively. Doug Harvey was one of the greatest not because he scored, but because he could defend. Same with Scott Stevens and Adam Foote who is revered for his shut down abilities. Trying to prove a defensive point with points.You just proved right there how little you know about hockey. Samsonov sucks...just like you.

[BoSoxnation1972]

Wasn't it you who said Quinn wore number 10 when Francis was traded to Pitt? I had already stated that it was Bob's number, without needing to research it. I never even brough up any charge related to Quinn, so apparently you're the one who just used google! lol I don't remember Quinn being accused of anything because back then, there was no internet! Quinn is a player I wouldnt have thought about had you not brought him up, MISTAKENLY! LMAO

[BoSoxnation1972]

I'm not here to make you believe me. Living as his neighbor is not a defining moment of my life! However, I busted you on Dan Quinn, and you failed to acknowledge your mistake! Why would you correct someone when ANY idiot (even you) could just take the time and look up who wore what number in what season? Couldn't you have taken the time and researched it before you tried correcting someone? Now you have ZERO credibility!

I mean, that's just a ridiculously embarrassing mistake!

[tp71]

I didnt correct you about Bob Errey with Dan Quinn...that was wastedyears86. So before you go throwing me under the bus...correct yourself. Wastedyears86 is definately not me. Nor will he ever be. Thats embarrassing in its own right. Cant even follow a conversation. When I said the dan quinn charge, i didnt mean he was charged by police or anything, i meant it was a charge by wastedyears86 that he wore 10. Read things before you post and accuse yourself...now thats embarrassing.

[tp71]

Looked it up myself, courtesy of Hockeydb. Looked up Ron Francis' career and clicked on the Pittsburgh Penguins link in 1990-91. The numbers are shown as Ron Francis #9. Bob Errey #12, and dah dah dah, BARRY PEDERSON wearing #10. So you were wrong yourself Bosox that Errey wore 10 when he infact wore 12. You sir may now take a seat. Put your hand up if you have any more questions, but please leave the comments for the smart people. Fyi, i didnt know this, so i looked it up and learned something.

[tp71]

You on the other hand, claimed to know it, claimed to not need to look it up and you were in fact wrong, another fact was that it wasnt me who said Dan Quinn wore 10 that was wastedyears86. I made the correct statement that it was Barry Pederson who held the distinction of wearing Ron Francis' eventual #10. Dan Quinn however DID wear #10 in 1988-89 before being traded the next season. For more on Penguins history and all things NHL, please contact me, someone who gets the facts straight. Thanks.

[wastedyears86]

I said that Quinn was wearing #10 in 91', not tp71, champ. And I was mistaken there. He's correct about Pederson. Whenever I think of the team, post first cup, I think of Lemieux's 5-goal game in 89, and remember Quinn and #10. It was my mistake. I was real wrong on this, for a bit last night I was thinking Jim Paek wore the 10 in 91', but he was wearing the number of your beloved Fetisov. Every single other assessment you have made is complete non-sense. As a matter of fact, your reply to my

[wastedyears86]

Kasatonov - Fetisov comparison was the pro-to typical un-educated fan response. "Fetisov scored more points so he's better!!!". How many actual games, barring the 87' Canada cup (if you've even seen it), have you seen the Soviet National team or CSKA Moscow play? I have a site that has chronicled about 100 WC, Olympic and RSL games from the late 70's and 80's. I've watched more Russian hockey than you would be able to find. If you want to dance about Russian hockey,

[wastedyears86]

I'll take you out back, sit you down, slap you, go back in the house, make a sandwich, slap your woman, piss on your mother then come back out to tell you Kharlamov makes them all look like garbage, anyways.

Oh, and by the way, Bourque = One of the most overrated "greats" of all time.

Did you know if you buy a Lemieux jersey, circa 84-96, it comes with a used Bourque jock-strap? Taken from the rafters, of course.

Care to tell me how, as a defenseman, Fetisov was better? Try making it valid.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

You've made a fool of yourself arguing with the Boston guy. He buried you on the Bob Errey issue, and he burried you on the Fetisov argument. Maybe you should go post on some international soccer videos, because you are getting trounced in a hockey argument by someone who is neither Russian nor Canadian.

[wastedyears86]

Even though you are a Leafs fan, and that alone speaks as a testament to any knowledge you have of hockey, I'll reply to you. One: Learn to read. He said Errey wore #10. He was wrong, I was right. Errey wore 12, although it was TP71 who was correct in saying Pederson wore 10. I said it was Quinn. We were both wrong, him more so than me, atleast I know Bob Erreys fucking number, he was an A on this team for 4 years. I don't see how he buried me. He gave no solid arguments. Just called a bunch of

[wastedyears86]

names and quoted Wikipedia and Google. And lied about living next to Samsonov. Rookie.

Believe it or not, some people are allowed to believe differently than what the media thinks. The Argument is usually who was the greatest ever? Gretzky or Orr? Does that mean it can't be someone else? I personally think it's Lemieux and will throw stats at you left and right to make you look like an idiot in that argument just as I did in the Kasatonov - Fetisov argument.

[buttkick22]

dude poker and bosox r the same person...just look at his profile he was created like 6 days ago and whats the first thing this "leaf" fan does? Defends a couple of lucic vids with direct quotes from bosox defense haha...go figure poker comes outta nowhere to defend bosox in another arguement he's having and losing to someone else...he's doing it to me and 1 other person as we speak...talk about sad..he think a few molson canadian commercials r actually fooling people? HAHA WHAT A SAD LYING PUNK

[buttkick22]

larry playfair vs lydon byers, probert vs semenko and clark, this vid, and j kordic vs todd ewen (which is the best because he actually compliments himself as poker to bosox on a joke) r just a few vids where he "coincidentally" comments and someone beating bosox in an arguement

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

He may have been wrong about which year Errey gave up number 10, but Bob did infact wear it. Barry Pederson was however the last to wear it before Ron.

You claim "At least I know Bob Erreys fucking number" yet you did not know that he wore number 10 for most of his career before switching to 12?

He wore 10 from 1983-1990. When Barry Pederson was traded to Pitt in late 1989, Bob gave it up and took number 12. So basically, Bosox was much closer than you. Errey gave it up, just 1 year earlier!

[tp71]

Look it up on hockey db boy...Errey wore 12...before pederson, Quinn wore 10.

[wastedyears86]

You busted me on Dan Quinn. No, I didn't look it up because I was pretty sure. Believe it or not, some people know enough about the games to throw facts out there with-out looking it up and be right most of the time.

Let's outline some missed Facts.

Wastedyears86 - Incorrect about Quinn wearing 10 in 91.

Bosox - Incorrect about Errey wearing it (hypocrite, eh? Couldn't and idiot like you have looked it up???)

- Incorrect about the soviet Union +- stat

- Bobby Orr playing against Fetisov

[wastedyears86]

- asinine comparisons across the board with no substance to your arguments.

Call names all you want. Act like a child. It doesn't change who knows more hockey between the two of us. And I didn't say who's GOOGLE knows more.

And to put it out there, I don't even think Kasatonov is greatest Russian defenseman ever. Before both him and Fetisov is Nikolai Sologubov. The FIRST person people called 'The Russian Bobby Orr'.

I have only seen limited video on the man, but read a few books on him.

[wastedyears86]

This guy was Doug Harvey and Bobby Orr rolled into one. The first great two-way defenseman.

"Sologubov was the first thunderous Soviet body checker. More uniquely, he was one of the first in the world to leave his position to lead attacks into the enemy zone. ""Sologubov didn't believe that the defencemen's role should be limited to that of fireman. His aggressive attitude, his penetrations, allowed him to become as high a scorer as any defencemen in Soviet history."

Look him up.

[BoSoxnation1972]

ROTFLMAO Do you realize how fuucking foolish you look now? I looked him up and this is what it says on his legends page!

"But the most researched experts know the title of greatest Russian defensemen is a coin toss between Fetisov and Nikolai Sologubov."

Sorry asshat! Kasatonov doesn't make the cut! Thanks for playing! We have some lovely parting gifts for you!

[tp71]

Let me fix everything. Once again courtesy of hockey db. Bob Errey wore the number 10 from 1984 to the end of the 1985-86 season. In 86-87 Errey started to wear #12, with Dan Quinn taking over as #10 when he came over from Calgary. Barry pederson then took over the #10 in 1989-90 when he came over from Vancouver. Francis started wearing his #10 jersey in 1991-92, 2 seasons later. Are you gonna tell me Barrasso made "the save" and that pietrangelo wore #39? Wastedyears gave better facts. Period.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

I looked it up and Quinn also wore number 10. But I looked up the Pittsburgh roster from 1988-1989, and Bob Errey is listed as number 10. Google "1989-1990 Pittsburgh Penguins Roster"

Errey is listed as number 10. I wasnt even watching hockey then because it's way before my time. Dan Quinn is listed as wearing number 9 in the 1989-1990 Pittsburgh season on the Pittsburgh Penguins homepage.

This isn't "hockey db" made by a fan, this is Pittsburgh's actual homepage.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

Wastedyears named a player I never heard of as the best Russian defenseman of all time, and I agree that it was an awesome point. The only problem I have is that they weren't arguing about that guy. They were arguing about Viacheslav Fetisov and Alexei Kasatonov and who was better. I only got to see them when I was very young, but past their prime. Fetisov, in Russia and here in Canada, is considered the greatest Russian defenceman ever. He won at every level, including 2 stanley cups.

[tp71]

But as well...Ive talked to wastedyears personally about Russian hockey...and he knows his stuff...read numourous books on it all and sogolobov would be a good pick...and i still think kasatonov over his whole career was better than fetisov...i mean...fetisov played with the mighty red wings i believe in 97 and 98...while kasatonov got to play with great teams such as the mighty ducks of nothing in 1994. I coulda won a cup with the wings in 97...and were talking about all hockey,not just the NHL

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

Didn't I just say I agreed the guy he named was great? I never heard of him, and didn't ever hear his name before, and looking it up I was impressed. But on that same page, it said that anyone who knows anything about Russian hockey knows that it comes down to a coin flip between Fetisov and Sugolubov as the best defenceman in Russian history. You and he share an opinion on Kasatonov, yet from what I read with his own evidence, Wasted years is wrong. It's Fetisov or Sugolubov, not Kasatonov.

[wastedyears86]

Just like every book says that "Everyone who knows hockey knows Gretzky was the best.". While I see Lemieux as the best, for extremely valid reasons. I also put Bobby Orr above Gretzky. Guess what. The media isn't always right, numbers aren't all that come into play when you are talking about who is the better player.

And mentioning Sugolubov is pertinent to this conversation as we were speaking Russian hockey, and Russian players, which is what Sugolubov happens to be.

[tp71]

Im sorry...but hockeydb isnt some fan site...it has the most complete and easy to find statistics anywhere. Its a great site...and I dont think you should be trashing it as a hockey fan...sorry.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

Personally, I think the Pittsburgh Penguins home webpage is more accurate than a site created by non NHL affiliated personell. Wouldn't you agree? I'm not dissing hockeydb, but who runs the site? I know that the Pittsburgh Penguins organization runs the site I sent you the link to, and I'm more comfortable with that. Just like I'd be more comfortable with a Russian National Team's homepage than I would wikipedia or a homemade fan site.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

Hockey Reference dotcom is much better. It has so many stats that Hockey db doesn't have, average ice time per game, shots on goal, etc. It's not even close in my opinion, but perhaps you aren't familiar with it.

[KidPokerLeafsFan]

"Ive talked to wastedyears personally about Russian hockey."

Howo have you spoken personaly with a guy on youtube? Are you the same person using 2 different youtube accounts? You claim to haverecruited some guy named hunter, Is that one of your other screennames? That's strange as heck. Try debating the facts and look at things from my perspective. You look desperate, but not serious.

[tp71]

Actually...wastedyears is my buddy...dont believe me fine...just played in the play on ball hockey tournament with him this weekend. When did i claim to recruit some guy named hunter...i never made such a claim...get YOUR facts straight before you throw shit around. Im not desperate...dont know where you get that from. Fuckin ass hole.

[buttkick22]

click on my name and u u will see a list of vids u can copy and paste proving wihthout a doubt that bosox and kid poker r the same person

[huntercalgary]

boston487744-bosoxnation1972-k­idpoker (1 year ago)

How shallow and empty is your life that you need to make things up to feel like you need to belong?

how poetic is that statement.....lol

[wastedyears86]

Buttkick said he recruited someone, not tp71. Yes, Tp71 and I are friends, we've played hockey together. Again, do try and follow a conversation before trying to post in it.

I like how after I made all those arguments in Kasatonovs favor all you would reply is "Why would you even mention Sugolubov?".

Blew you out of the water.

[buttkick22]

this is a great one

[huntercalgary]

he told me b shannahan was his neighbor....lol

bosox=kidpoker..........lol

[mikemorigi]

i go to kasatonovs clinic all the time

[calienteyfria]

Kasatonov kicked ass. He is pretty tough.

[hockeykid91]

francis doesnt fight tho

[MAXIMONT]

now we know why

[hockeykid91]

lol