Frog Vivisection

[MRNIIK]

fuckin camera, hold still!

[whyyousobudu]

why always a frog?

[hashybongmix]

the only atrocity here is the camera mans filming skills, out of focus and jerky.

[lilisigel]

Another example of degeneration and retardation of human species. Zombies torturing frogs thinking how important is their work for this world, supporting the fraudulent Bad Science and Big Pharma, their vaccines and medicines good only for killing people all over the world. '' Humans '' like you are the real disease and we must find a cure for it, and we will, trust me.

[mpstlawrence]

Excellent. Students learning to advance human knowledge and working for the betterment of humanity. 

[1221solstice2012]

@mpstlawrence The only thing learned about "humanity" here is that you're ignorant little monsters. This crap only retards human knowledge and worsens humanity. No real scientist believes in vivisection. Real human beings respect and love life, except that of brain-dead sadists. Reap what you sow.

[Panczekolada]

@1221solstice2012

So you're trying to say that experimenting on animals is wrong, even if it can save human lives in future? Not just talking about the vivisection but overall experiments too. I'm sorry but our medicine wouldn't go too far without experimenting on living beings. Or you'd maybe prefer them perform that on humans? Oh, right.. animal rights activists don't care about humans. Animals are more important.

Also.. is boiling lobsters alive any more right? And yet people do it!

[1221solstice2012]

@Panczekolada No real scientist would apply animal data to people, it is always hit or miss, people regularly DIE taking animal-tested drugs. No real human being would subject any helpless or innocent harmless creature to deliberate suffering, period. No one with a brain questions whether animals are sensitive. Don't bother me with ignorance again. I can't wait till people get their comeuppance.

Vegan for love and life!

[Panczekolada]

@1221solstice2012

Yeah, you're proving the point that for people like you animals are more important than humans. I'm not sure where did you get your info on the uselessness of testing drugs on animals, but I would recommend you to verify it. You sure it aint one of those PeTA propaganda vids? Humans still can die from the medicine, sure. Species difference and such.. but if animal doesn't die nor show any bad symptoms, it's less likely to kill a human.

[1221solstice2012]

@Panczekolada Your ignorance actually stings, stop that. I have links and abundant proof of the fraud of animal experimentation on my page for anyone with an uncorrupted mind and soul who wants the truth. Human abuse of animals is TERRIBLE for humanity. More of the same from you? Then make it a general comment, don't invade my inbox again, thanks.

[Panczekolada]

@1221solstice2012

My God, mate, you're such an elitist, self-righteous jerk I think I cannot stand it after a four-comment exchange of opinions. I'll leave you with your delusions then, seems you like their company.

With no due respect whatsoever

-MrChocolate

ps - can't wait to see a brilliant comeback from you, definetely insulting my intelligence and calling me an ignorant. Feel free, I am sure it'll amuse me. :)

[Valfore95]

jik3 is the lowest form of human existence, a disgusting cesspool of greed and selfishness and the ultimate pervert

[Valfore95]

why don't u try this on criminals, like serial murderers, rapists instead of a frog?

It's good 4 the taxpayers, good 4 the criminals and mostly, good 4 animals who haven't asked 4 this

[1221solstice2012]

You're sick, cruel and ignorant. You'll reap what you've sown.

[degu122]

imagine yourself in the place of this frog :(

[Stiophan123]

If you dont want opinions disable the comments on your video and stop being such a dick, common sense ''idiot'' its called ''freedom of speech''

[Nerwik]

Sick. and people are gettin used to it.

[MsBlackOpsKing]

thats screwed upp

[Mewzacht]

Lyk omg it has random fat all over it?

[nitronick389]

I'm assuming you didn't have to suffer through that headache-inducing formaldehyde smell? Considering it was alive

[BeakyRed]

Why not cut open a live human instead?

[Muggelfuk]

@duttywinegirlJB or are they dancers.... yes they are but this one is just cruel

[kornflowerblue]

Newton discovered the circulation of blood through vivisection. So don't act like no good can come from it.

[ivancazares1]

heartless bitch!

[DFFragenstein]

I want to do this :D

Now, just to go frog hunting...

[LeopardGeckoMagic]

i chose to take two 0 test grades because i would not do this, this is fucking sick and sadistic, fuck the experiments its a fucking frog, it has a life, id laugh if people who enjoy this were to be cut open alive

[MarcRevenge]

thats so mean

[noratmedicine]

We have 30,000 diseases now due tyo tyhe over 1 million animal 'tested' artificial substances and the consistent failure of animal 'research' to cure human disease. It is done primarily for legal protection."You really have to design the medicine for the species of interest…You'll find it very rare to find a medicine that will work in both…" Patrick M. O'Connor, head of oncology research for Pfizer, quoted in The New York Times, 24 November.curedisease. net

[Momoluvluv]

I'm anti-vivisection, but i had to vivisect a salmon before. Its not that bad.

[BrianTotse]

My question to everyone who's all bothered with this vivisection would be whether or not you're all vegetarians.

Because if you eat meat just like the rest of us, you haven't got any right at all to complain about a sedated frog getting cut open.

Also, who the fuck are you guys to say what does and doesn't help someone become a surgeon, or learn about anatomy? Are you all professors all of a sudden? Obviously there's a reason we have students dissect and vivisect animals.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

No surgeon ever earned his/her title from this trash. Any qualified surgeon will tell you he/her learned what they know through human surgery and observations on human bodies or cadavers.

But those who say they learned something from vivisections are obviously not educated and would rather stick with an easy job while at the same time conning more generations into thinking there is some valuable lesson to be learned.

They are indeed callous people.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Vivisection applies to all animal experiments whether cutting is done or not. Dissection is vivisection, and that is usually done after the animal is killed.

Wiliam Harvey understood the heart circulation system from human experiments (non vivisection based), especially the one he did on himself. Shame he wasted his time on animals.

[piplupisapenguin]

Awesome video. I wish I had been able to do a vivisection like this instead of having to dissect a dead pig fetus.

[hippie9119]

That's rong. cant just kill it first? Let's learn about how the human body works by cuting upen a live frog. How would you like it if someone cut you open when you were still alive?

Long live the A.L.F

[jik3]

Normally I wouldn't respond, but I'm getting sick of this. No I don't think I would mind being cut up when I was alive, SEEING THAT'S WHAT SURGERY IS. What, do you people really think the frog can feel any of this? Seriously, if you people don't like this, then give up on modern medicine, because it all has benefitted from this. And learn how to spell!

[aznjedi2]

what do you mean by that, "what, do you people really think the frog can feel any of this"? aren't there nerve points on the frog's skin?

[jik3]

It doesn't actually have brain function. In that sense, it is alive only in a technical sense, in that its circulatory system is still functioning. And anyways, do YOU feel anything when YOU undergo surgery?

[aznjedi2]

i'm not trying to pick a fight!

sure, human surgery people are shot up with drugs.

This is the first time i've heard of this kind of practice....and that was only on accident too!

so....everything except normal brain function exists?

[streamr89]

@jik3 that is because you are anaesthetised when undergoing surgery, however this frog was not and it would have felt the initial incisions. However, it would have gone into shock very quickly and lost consciousness. And if they had dissected the nervous supply early then the frog would have lost sensation from the very beginning.

[RonHoward2008]

@streamr89 Who gives a shit it's a fucking frog and it's going to be replaced by thousands more you dumbfuck

[ryan84160]

@jik3 What makes you think the frog could not feel anything ? Was it an anesthetized ?

[fenderkid6]

@jik3 you're an idiot. The reason you don't feel anything during surgery is because of anaesthetics and analgesics. It's a stupid comparison, and although I have no regard for people who murder scientists, you CAN'T know what pain or otherwise other organisms feel without being one yourself. pain is NOT objectively quantifyable. stupid cunt.

[ScrewtapeNemesis715]

The frog was probably killed by pithing; its central nervous system was destroyed, but the sinus venosus - which is the pacemaker of the frog - was kept in tact. The heart still beats because of this, but it can't feel anything because all its nerve endings were destroyed.

The frog gets oxygen from its skin, so its heart can still beat for hours after it's been killed.

However, it is what surgery is (minus the killing by pithing lol) - being a doctor is not for the faint of heart.

[aznjedi2]

THANK YOU...at least SOMEBODY understands where I'm coming from!

[Lunarvx22]

The frog was surely under anesthetic.

[trisky1234]

@jik3 Seriously, we live in 2010. We could use computer models. This is wrong. And no, I wouldn't feel anything if I went in for surgery, but I would end up being possibly 'repaired', not being made brain-dead, cut open and then killed..

[Stiophan123]

@jik3 Thing is surgery is meant to save a life this isn't, And hey if your so up for it why don't u donate your live body to modern medicine testing, doubt it some how. oh and the comment below was for you as well.

''If you dont want opinions disable the comments on your video and stop being such a dick, common sense ''idiot'' its called ''freedom of speech''

[NormbrettaMod]

@jik3

that you think you can toy with another being like that is...disturbing. there's absolutely no logical or moral argument to say that humans are any more important than beings such as this. and for the medical "benefits", messing with nature is only causing more suffering than not.

[Aniland]

@NormbrettaMod Nah

[NormbrettaMod]

@Aniland

good arguement man

[tehtrintran]

This is honestly not much different from what happens to organ donors who die in the hospital. They're braindead, they feel no pain and they can't come back to life.

[Hilaryfan92]

that's awful doing it with the heart still beating! :( Surely they should wait till it's dead to cut open!!

[ScrewtapeNemesis715]

Well technically it's already dead; part of the point of the experiment is to see the heart beating to understand how it functions. Some people who take biology are planning on being doctors, so they have to see it in order to be able to get a basic concept of circulation and heart rate etc in order to be able to help treat people.

[voldemort2123]

it was dead...

[VampireZombieX]

Poor frog! How can anyone do such things to animals?! Human scumbag, you didn't have to post this junk here! Get this off YouTube!!

[Rejectednoodles]

Nah, these things are extremely sedated, like at least 5x reccomended. They never wake up, and even if they do, they'd be dead.

[Davidem05]

no! the frog must be died!

[Mytran916]

you guys are lucky you got the live one i got a dead young frog and had to do the disection myself while the other 2 scared to even touch the frog when its DEAD!

[terrens123]

SO COOL

[fliprichard]

thats kinda scary when the hearts moving and stuff thats mad nasty OMG

[toomanfilms]

So you guys are using a heavy sedative when you do this? Sorry to sound so pro-animal. I guess, well, this is my thought: Even on morphine I imagine I would be pretty uncomfortable with my hands and feet scewered to a table and my chest cavity pried open. I hope the animal is unconscious.

[selfagainstself123]

They use a pin and literally scramble its brains...killing one animal is cruelty, killing hundreds is science

[studywar]

So by your philosophy the holocaust was science? Or did your selfish mind forget that humans are animals as well?

[selfagainstself123]

its just a saying, i dont actually agree with it, but its the truth. you misinterpretted what i was saying, and if you want to be technical, the holocaust was a sick experiment in a way, an attempt to eradicate an entire population from a region. Honestly chill, its just youtube comments.

[studywar]

Yes. I know the saying. Stalin said it. He said "the death of one one man is a tragedy, then death of millions is a statistic."

[25844]

OMG IT'S STILL ALIVE!!!!!

ah, I was kidding....

[ladyvelenosa]

all this must have a sense? why? the human nature e' the badness! against whichever thing and anyone! all that is orrible!

[Kappa2sal]

Di tutti i crimini neri che l'uomo commette contro Dio e il Creato la vivisezione è il più nero.

(Gandhi)

[Fulgidus]

Sarà, ma senza la vivisezione non si sarebbe scoperto il fatto che il cuore è un muscolo, non uno scaldabagno per il sangue... e grazie alla suddetta si sono fatte tante di quelle scoperte che, nel giorno in cui tu (non te lo auguro) sarai ipoteticamente ad un passo dalla morte, sarà possibile fare molto di più che non guardarti morire annegando nel sangue per una emorragia interna o peggio...

[Kappa2sal]

Giusto per non farla lunga, ti invito a leggere quanto hanno scritto questi due illustri personaggi purtroppo, di recente, scomparsi entrambi.

Dell'Amico Dr. Hans Ruesh: "IMPERATRICE NUDA"

Dell'Amico Prof. Pietro Croce: "Vivisezione o scienza: una scelta". Se eventualmente ne hai letto qualcuno, RILEGGILO CON OCCHI "PULITI".

Saluti

sal

p.s. per quanto riguarda il cuore la vivisezione non è da ringraziare ma, viceversa, è sempre da condannare!

[tiitii92izi]

poor frog!

I DONT LIKE VIVISECTiON

IS REALY NOT

[opalescent101]

wow ... I can't help but laugh when I saw this vid: *rubs hands together in excitement*

[5LbSquirrel]

don't lie, we know you rubbed your hands against your dick masturbating to this.

[opalescent101]

um, that was really random-no I meant that in a scientific curiousity excitement way. But really, vivisection is horrible in its own way-for the "specimens"-live animals are being dissected and then thrown away. I think that it would be more practical if the dead specimens were stimulated to procure live parts of the body needed to be examined for research/lab reasons. This method is inexpensive and also "fun" if you imagine it as bring a living animal "back to life" if only for a moment.

[opalescent101]

um, that was really random-no I meant that in a scientific curiousity excitement way. But really, vivisection is horrible in its own way-for the "specimens"-live animals are being dissected and then thrown away. I think that it would be more practical if the dead specimens were stimulated to procure live parts of the body needed to be examined for research/lab reasons. This method is inexpensive and also "fun" if you imagine it as bring a living animal "back to life" if only for a moment.

[kagomekitty]

That is sooo mean!

[chiodos132]

i dont like vivisection =\

[BrianTotse]

neither does kermit here, but like these kids, he doesn't have much of a choice :P

For the kids its :

A: Cut open frog.

B: Fail biology & don't get diploma.

[chiodos132]

lol good point but still it is a little creepy to cut a live frog open and observe

[BrianTotse]

its all about learning. Some of the greatest break-thrus in science have come from performing and observing vivisections.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Or so they said. I bet those books were not as great as you claimed.

[chiminox]

So you're teaching children to vivisect ?

Ooooh... it should be interesting to see for how many years has the US gov. promoted vivisection in schools.

Fucking. Disgusting.

[shogun132]

its heavily seadated, so it will never be able to wake up again

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Sedated is not the same as anaesthetsed. And how does one know for sure whether the frog was "out cold"? There are drugs they can use that just paralyze you. Like when Claude Bernard used curare on animals.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

B: Means forcing people to do as the master says, it doesn't help train a surgeon either.

[clarissamarro]

poor frog!

[BrianTotse]

the frog is dosed up with a coma-inducing dose of chloroform. it wont wake up and cannot feel a thing.

[KeepDeltaMyDelta]

Wow! I wish I had the opportunity to do something like that.

[pandakitty123]

i refuse to disect or vivisect and animal its wrong

[BrianTotse]

then you shall FAIL biology.

MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

[davywavy133]

hahaha, the man

[evox777]

i used to say that too, but i am being forced to do vivisection.

[queenpanda]

It's quite unbelievable that there are still people around that seem to think vivisection works! Why don't you all realise that diseases of all kinds are NOT going away, in fact because of the pharmaceutical industry they are multiplying all the time... How would they make their money if their drugs cured all, it don't take much to work out!!!

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Thats what happens when these idiot vivisectionists are allowed to talk bollocks all day. Yeah some of them have disappeared now. But some still linger, preying on the newbies.

[LBiolSci]

@ShroedingerWatcher, If you call all those biologists and chemists, to whome every pico-secnds of your life is in debt to, vivisectionists- then I'm afraid somebody needs to remind you that you are proving yourself to be an antisocial vermin. You don't want science? Then well leave the society and start living in the jungle and show us how survivabe you really are.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Biologists, chemists, physicians, surgeons, anyone who learned anything from the human body, did not realize any of it through "animal models".

We know what we know through the human alone. Man understands man through man.

What we do owe to vivisection is failure, forms of torture, human deaths of countless numbers.

You are of course entitled to try to convince me, just expect me to read up whatever you say and I don't just go off a single source.

[ThinkFast2006]

nice frog!

[jik3]

Thanks!

[PC12345]

fact:Harvey discoveries were through experiments on his own arm and on human corpses.he said his discovery was because of vivisection because it was illegal to experiment on human corpses under christian english law.FACT:Even before Harvey-Chinese scientists(documented in a book called:slaughter of the innocent) discovered what Harvey claimed to of "discovered",thousands of years ago.Why don't you read it? It's been praised by American doctor Dr Mendelsohn and Italian Scientist,Professor Croce.

[PC12345]

fact:galen's fraudulent theories were based on vivisection! Fact:any theory can be "proved" through vivisection! fact:synthetic drugs passed as "safe" through vivisection cause millions of deaths across the world-globally! fact:renowned scientists like Professor Croce have called vivisection:a methodological error!

[vitaken]

those kids have to do vivisection or else they dont pass biology...

[ShroedingerWatcher]

You mean they were forced to do as they were told or not get a qualification that has nothing to do with human biology.

Whoever the teacher, teacher was, must have been another failure in some background.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Edit: teacher, lecturer.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

A shame PC12345 is no longer active, these two comments are one of the smartest things I've read because its true.

Shame people can't be arsed to do the background on what those old names did and how they got where they were. None of it thanks to vivisection.

[jik3]

To Continue my response to PC12345:

2) I didn't claim that Galen didn't perform vivisections, if that is what you are implying

3) While I can see why you might be against such practice, please do realize that without vivisections, we may have never made as much progress as we have in medical science. Not that telling you that will change anything...

[ShroedingerWatcher]

No proof as always of such a claim. And I know this member is gone now.

[PC12345]

galens fraudulent theories were based on vivisection!!!

[jik3]

1) Galen performed vivisections he did not focus on these experiments to the extent that Harvey did. As Harvey says "it would be proper to look more narrowly into the matter to contemplate the motion of the heart and arteries, not only in man, but it all animals that have hearts; and also, by frequent appeals to vivisection, and much ocular inspection, to investigate and discern the truth."

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Galen couldn't answer the fact that the human hip bone was different than the ox Galen vivisected. When they asked him and the earlier medical authorites they said "the human hip bone had changed its shape because man had began wearing trousers instead of the toga"

In other words those "medical authorities" and Galen, couldn't admit their mistakes and didn't change the textbooks for ages.

I bet Galen caused a fair few sufferings in humans in his day thanks to what he believed in.