Debating Theist's and Post Modernist's part four - The Atheist Experience #388

[1rishShaman]

*sigh*...

[KevinVang1000]

I want these men to go and debate against William Lane Craig instead of attacking weak Christians who doesn't know anything.

I am not here to debate, I am not a good one; however, I want these folks to debate against Craig. I assure that they will never answer the "How" question because some atheist tends to run away from that question.

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - "I want these men to go and debate against William Lane Craig instead of attacking weak Christians who doesn't know anything." Thats a perfect example of an oxymoron, check out the debates between Craig and Hitchens to see what I mean. 

[KevinVang1000]

I have and Hitchen lost the battle. Technically, Hitchen was an oxymoron; however, I will apologize for calling him that since I cannot say that to other people...but still, I would love to see this guy debate against Craig...

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - An oxymoron is two statements together which do not match, Hitchen is his name, so it is not an oxymoron. How can you say he "lost the battle" though? I never knew there were stipulations regarding debate?

[KevinVang1000]

Well, wasn't he was running away from Craig's question?

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - Feel free to type more than one sentence and be more specific. What question? What section in the debate and which debate (theres been more than one)

[KevinVang1000]

I saw this video 7 months ago. I don't remember...lol!

The only that I remember is when Hitchens claims that Jesus was a sorcerer, lmao!

[DeadlyRedRing]

@KevinVang1000 Craig uses the loosest arguments for Christianity. I've seen his "does the universe have a purpose?" argument and he just squirms in and out of questions. Dawkins was right when he said that Craig's only claim to fame is he is a good debator.

[KevinVang1000]

Yeah, because he chicken out. It's so obviously that he's making excuses out of nothing so that he could just walk away easily. Chh..duh!

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - Why bother asking me why he ran away from a question when you can't even remember the question? My answer - If this Jesus character was real and he did perform these feats as documented, how different is it from sorcery or witchcraft, the same type of superstitious feats that got people burned at the stake... by Christianity.

[KevinVang1000]

Didn't Craig said that? I'll let him use it, not me, lmao!

If were going to talk about Modernism, then this is just a small piece that proves God, which ain't enough to prove all of it since the topic would have to deal with so much work that I will forget what we are talking about, lmao!

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - I still have no idea which debate you are talking about, so I don't know what Craig said. When did we go into Modernism by the way? I merely made the point that magic is considered sorcery or witchcraft, which apparently is what Jesus was said to have done. Loafs and fish, water to wine, sounds like magic to me.

[DeadlyRedRing]

@KevinVang1000 The "how" question is not being ran away from, it has simply not been answered yet. The objection to what you are calling the how question is when people ask it in a way that implies a creator. Instead of saying what caused the universe to exist, they say who created the iniverse. The first question allows for a creator, but also allows for any other reasonable explanation. It is more open minded.

[KevinVang1000]

I understand. One more thing, when is this guy going to debate against Craig? Dawkins chicken out like those Chinese kung fu who chicken out on Bruce Lee's style. I hope he doesn't since this guy is making a claim that God does not exist. I just want to see him on the spot light to convince me that atheism is true if he could defeat Craig's philosophy for the Christian view. I am not here to debate, but just to discuss, mkay...

[DeadlyRedRing]

@KevinVang1000 Atheism does not make a claim and therefore does not have to prove anything. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, nothing more. These guys do not "attack" weak Christians. Anyone can call into this show. They take who they get. If Craig called in, I'm sure they would be happy to talk to him.

[KevinVang1000]

But why not in a debate session like Hitchens. Chh! I guess these men are too chicken to defend their ground.

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - Why not get in contact with either them or WLC and ask them to debate?

[1rishShaman]

@1rishShaman - In fact these guys shows are still running online and you can call in through Skype or land line. Why not call them up and ask them if they would be interested in debating WLC or perhaps ask them the questions yourself? If they can't debate the almighty WLC then why not a follower of his arguments?

[KevinVang1000]

Give me the site as you send this on my youtube mail...mkay...

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - Just google The Atheist Experience and their site is the first one.

[KevinVang1000]

I don't know about their site. Can you just give it to me?

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - I cannot post links or e-mails on this site or through PM's as it counts towards spam and can get me removed. If you go to their site it has links on how to e-mail them and get in contact.

Besides, there is no point in being spoon fed when it is much better to simply use your own skills and perception to find things. Once again, google "the atheist experience" and you will get their site.

[KevinVang1000]

-_-

If you are part of the club, can you talk to them at least? Please, I would love to see them on a show with Willaim Lane Craig, please!

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - Don't run away from them with your question :)

[KevinVang1000]

I am not running. I just don't know the site. Can you just give it to me and I will talk to them? I am not running, I'm asking you to give me your HW so that I could grade it for you. ^_^

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - I haven't been on certain websites but I do not expect others to run and get me information from them, learning is a personal experience, unless you go out finding your OWN research you will not grow as an individual and instead require spoon feeding as the messages below have shown. There is an e-mail link in the description bar above. It has always been there so you do not have far to go. That analogy is incorrect. I am like a teacher telling you to do your own work.

[KevinVang1000]

I have, but I am busy with school

I have Final that is coming up next month. I just took my midterm last month and I need the info...

Can you at least have mercy on a stressful man?

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - I am doing 2 full-time college courses media and personal training) and have 3 assignments due this week today, tomorrow and Thursday) and have a portfolio of evidence and a practical fitness exam to do for my personal training in 3 weeks time. No offense, but one of the things that I can't stand is people not willing to do their own work or research on a subject.

[KevinVang1000]

But there are times when people need help. Remember, do what Jesus wants you to do.

[1rishShaman]

@KevinVang1000 - I'm an atheist. I don't believe in jesus. Go figure. I'm sure jesus would want you to do your own research.

[1rishShaman]

@1rishShaman - And I did help you. I told you the search engine to use, I told you the name of the show, I told you to look in the description box under the video to find their e-mail. It is not my fault if you are too lazy or couldn't be bothered to do something or suggest to them something that you want to see.

[KevinVang1000]

Maybe springbreak. I might have a chance to look up their stuff.

[killak94]

lmao I thought that was Matt until he spoke

[AssilemakaMelissa]

In this belief system..Do we have to tolerate every belief? Even beliefs that harm others?

[andrewh817]

@AssilemakaMelissa You don't personally have to tolerate anyone's belief system. As an atheist, I couldn't possibly get married to a Christian. Anyone who would tell my kids that they'd go to hell if they didn't accept an invisible Jewish zombie existence and never-ending love for them, as punishment for things that God deemed sins that all humans commit.

[geezerbill]

Thanks for the clip...but you should really learn how to use an apostrophe. :p