Why Should China Go Green? - Gary Hirshberg

[ericown]

every1 should go green? stupid title

[thunderbirdscarlett]

MY MOMMA SAYS OBAMA!

[CoffeyBreaks]

Anytime a nation has to walk around with surgical masks on infers that your arse should have been green...and China should have been the trend setting reason as to why the rest of the world is jumping on this bandwagon.

[NeedsEvidence]

Fora TV - the world is farting.

[frankystein12]

China needs to pick itself up and be great again.

[spikesmth]

It seems like China is both ahead and behind the US at the same time. At least their command structure allows directed efficient action to solve this problem, we have the political barrier where 'some people' drag their feet the whole way on everything. China will overtake the US in almost everything within our lifetime.

[Derleiter17]

I'm honestly excited about it. It will be nice to see the US fall behind for its political corruption.

[Raptoreyes]

American Empire or Republic gone wrong.... US predominance was certainly MUCH nicer for the average world citizen then what we could experience from China. Thank goodness micro cameras were invented before China comes to power. At least it will be harder for the Politburo to hush up or ignore its abuses. Never the less the Communist party of China has never been shy about killing huge numbers of people to maintain political office.

[AimiriZ]

not everything spike, we still got Hollywood, FUCK YEAH.

[cwilsons]

"Authoritarianism- Get's shit done"

[kentafication]

@spikesmth It is tough for America to change rapidly with the institutional barriers. Especially when you have these Dow Jone companies (ie. Exxon), who will lobby their ways. Chinese government local and national level is corrupt, even more than the United States.

[Raptoreyes]

No China will seem to be doing well with a command structure and then one day... unexpectedly out of the blue, China's governmental structure will collapse. The United States is now run for the benefit of elites, despite its vestiges of a market driven economy. The differences are in which elites drive things and how durable their rule is? The United States could rebound if it returns to Constitutional principals, while China has no traditions of true republican government. Advantage < USA

[evant3k]

Is there such a thing as inorganic food? As far as I know all food contains carbon, hence makes it organic...

[AxiomofDiscord]

Organic is a stupid term the way they use it ... a catch to say healthier but there are some artificial fertilizers that are much better than the more "natural" ones at least in my mind. And I rather consume some non-organic foods that I feel are "safer" for me to consume.

Aberran

[th3dig1tal0n3]

@AxiomofDiscord

There is no need for artificial fertilizers in food production. Think about forests, they are the most productive systems on the planet yet they do not use artificial fertilizers.

Traditional western, agriculture is fertilize, seed, grow, harvest; essentially a soil mining for the nutrients that are not replenished by fertilizer.

Novel methods of food growing are Permaculture, and hydroponics. The first method is low-tech biotechnology, and the other one is hi-tech chemistry.

[AxiomofDiscord]

what kinda natural fertilizers are there ?

[th3dig1tal0n3]

@AxiomofDiscord

Forests make their own fertilizer. All that fallen leaves and branches are no waste, they will rot and become fertilizer.

Permaculture exploits nature to create food producing living systems, using the same processes that occur in nature ( fertilizing the soil and pest control ).

Hydroponics is essentially soil-less agriculture that uses water to supply nutrients to the plat roots. All fertilizers used are synthetic. Pest control is done by quarantining the plants.

[AxiomofDiscord]

I don't eat much of what grows in the forest ... and there are many humans and domestic animals to feed and we use up a lot of food... I do not see how we can grow enough food that way to satisfy the need.

Aberran

[th3dig1tal0n3]

Both permaculture and hydroponics need a lot of preparation, but very little labor compared for the amount of food they produce. They both are highly productive closed cycle systems. While permacuture needs soil hydroponics doesn't.

Maybe we need to consider both methods of food production to feed growing human population.

[zrcattle]

Forests don't need fertilizer because they don't have any nutrients removed from the closed cycle. Start removing the leaves that are falling, and you will need to add a source of nutrients back into the system. Take this example and apply it to agriculture. You are carting away huge amounts of nutrients as you take crops off to feed the masses. You cannot grow a crop from nothing.

[th3dig1tal0n3]

True.

That is why I mentioned modern western agriculture as a method of soil mining, hydroponics as replenish all nutrients method and peramculture as an low tech alternative to both methods that relays on circulating nutrients back to the fields.

[Raptoreyes]

agreed AxiomofDiscord!  The terms of the debate are too shallow!