I agree with FOX. Kind of slick how the govt wont be regulating the internet when they would be "regulating" the internet companys from "regulating" the internet...lol...ok.
They never said trust the company's....they just understand the best way is the consumer and competition. Govt regs wont make the companys trust worthy. The consumer will be the judge and at worst it will spark competition. They would be cutting their own throats. Anyone remember Netflix screw up? I dont need a babysitter.
@rackemcueboy ... You're misunderstanding the definition of Net Neutrality. Without it, internet providers such as Time Warner, Comcast, Surewest, etc. would have the right to censor and slow-down and/or speed-up websites. For example, if you use Time Warner, and they have a deal with Blockbuster Online, they can slow-down Netflix Online. Would you support that? The Obama administration doesn't, and neither do I.
Fuck the FCC, corporations and most of all Fuck the biggest monopoly of them all, Government. That's right, without Government the FCC and corporations would never exist in the first place. The dollar that rest in the hand of the consumer has always and will always be the best regulator of the market place.
The biggest myth these right wing neo-con pricks would love for you to believe in is that we are living in a free-market within a free country. Show me the big evil corporation and I'll show you the tax loop holes, subsidies and liability insurance given by Government that allows a business to become a corporation. Also, with more people behind bars for victimless non-crimes agaist the State then any other country , how can any of these right-wing jagoffs ever look at that flag and be proud.
@yinzjagoffs You know you are free to leave if you dont like it here. Im just curious. Please tell me the country that you plan on going to that is so much better than this country when it comes to a free-market and free country? I can name a few that would have you executed for your same stmt. By the way the "dollar that rest in the hand of the consumer" is a fantastic rgiht/conservative arguement. What are you exactly?
@yinzjagoffs Looked up non aggression principal...Are you a libertarian then? Couldnt tell from your comments conservative one moment then liberal the next. I was worried about you. lol. I dont know a lot about Liberatrians so wouldnt recognize it if I saw it. I lean conservative on fiscal and social issues...more left when it comes to the environment.
@rackemcueboy I just like to call myself pro-choice on everything. Yes, I would say it's pretty much a mix between the two, but the only thing I'm conservative about is taxation and even that I wouldn't bother to conserve.
@yinzjagoffs Your an idiot, this battle has already been fought over tv and the corporations won by a landslide. Another prime example of corporate battle was when the big three auto companies put Tucker out of business. Ever wonder why TV isnt mainly broadcasted through the air waves and have you ever wondered why you pay for cable when commercials should pay for the content? That was back in the day, they have gotten a lot slicker and do their dirty business behind closed doors.
Without government regulating companies we would all be screwed..companies only care about one thing and thats the almighty dollar and if they didn't have the government breathing down their back they would still be polluting and selling unsafe products to the public and not giving a second thought about who they are endangering..just look what happened when they lifted the regulations on the housing market...HELL the great depression is another great example of deregulation
It really is pathetic that Fox news must turn every issue into an assault on personal liberty. But really, the most legitimate arguments against net neutrality are the questions of how the regulations will define "neutrality." It's a complex question which will require eventual tweaks and amendments, all of which will be subject to lobbying. That ultimately gives a huge advantage to the companies that spend the most money on lobbying, rather than the ones that offer the best services.
damn these people only read what they want to believe. of coourse everything she read says obama is trying to control the internet. she works for Fox. what do you think she reads to get her info?
Its funny because they are both basically arguing fear. Fear that ISPs will slow down websites...fear that this is just step one to more control over Americans W
ell look whats happening now with wire taps and the internet .I dont need govt. having its hands in everything. They already took away my right to play poker online Why? Stupid and lazy people cant control their kids so they needed a law? All I am asking for is my constitutional rights! Read it! Its not supposed to be this way!
as a conservative who knows fox is slanted right, and knows what net neutrality is, the guy on the right is correct. NO ONE knows what net neutrality is...why?
@Pyrofreak321 No, no, no, no. Wrong, those kids are an unspeakable bastard crossbreed of Rupert Murdock, and Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia. Stop watching FOX news, it rots the brain.
Here’s something else for ya that’s an unspeakable bastard crossbreed.
The Fatherland- Nazi Germany
The Motherland - Communist Russia
The Homeland – An Unspeakable Bastard crossbreed of the two above!
@Pyrofreak321 no she is a whore, not prostitute. prostitutes are hard working people. while this bitch is media whore that lies and spreads miss information and she knows that she is lying.
Sorry, you're wrong. Pretty sure Net Neutrality has been around for years, annnd it has never been what you're describing. COME ON TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, TRUST THE GOVERNMENT DO IT! Oh, but you get your news from MSNBC, a much more respectable source. lolirony.
Yeah, I think maybe that is what Government is for, to punish the bad companies that want to be greedy and screw good people out of money. Then again, the government is a type of company too. But maybe a wiser one. Not sure though. Who really runs the government anyway? Obama? Lol. I doubt that one dude makes all those decisions. No, Obama is kinda just there to give a face to it all. He represents, but doesn't really run the shit. The government is a bunch of people squabbling.
I think it's a good idea to trust government over a big business, I suppose. Because people who go into politics and media are usually genuinely wanting to make the world a better place. I mean, it IS their job to look out Ethically, Philosophically for the common interest of its people. Of course, it's all a matter of perspective.
@skytrooper1980 Dude I hope that comment was a troll. If it was, EPIC troll... wow. If not, you're retarded. In a world where everyone was educated it would benefit companies further to tell you the truth, rather than sugar coat things and bullshit with you to make a buck. In other words, if the American population were not so disillusioned, "diet" products would not be sold, there wouldn't be a market for them. It's the people who allow business to do what they do.
@hotfudgemoney look dude, honestly i don't which i trust more, corporations or the government, and neither do you. these days big business basically ARE the government. The line is blurry, and nobody but a true analyst knows the truth about who really wants what. The fucking FCC passed the shit and it was like they didn't anything...it was wierd. All I know is that net neutrality is a good thing, democracy is a good thing, and now it's fucked.
@hotfudgemoney From time to time, I'll play the devil's advocate as a result of my own critical thinking when I haven't quite enough information to form a firm stance on a subject yet. I think it's good for people to get mixed messages of sincere, honest thought and inquiry. No, I'm not retarded. I don't really trust the government more than American companies. I don't really trust either more than the other. They're so much alike. I'm not sure. I just want net neutrality.
@skytrooper1980 You can take comfort in trusting business over the government if you know which businesses to patron and which to tell your friends are assholes. The government you have no control over, and most politicians are UPPER class Americans, the likes of which 99% of us will never see. They are not upper middle class, live around the corner from you, went to a nice school, and parents have good paying jobs.
@lSeKToRl hah, it's kinda funny because the reason they're viewers wouldn't understand the point the guy's making is because they already had a lie of a lead in story.
The "free market" is a fiction. It's like "Disneyland" for wannabe-libertarian adults. All markets are regulated, and regulation is what makes a market. In a mall, there are storefronts. In a bazaar, there are booths. Cities have zoning. Utilities are regulated. The FDA and FCC regulate products. Regulation reduces risk - and that allows transaction costs to drop, leading to faster and more satisfying trades.
Well let's say comcast slows down certain sites. In a free market people will simply unsubscribe from Comcast and go to another provider in the free market who allows them to do what they want to do. That's what having choices is all about in a free market. You think that people are going to stick with a company that blocks them from doing what they want to do? another corporation will open up and provide better service to the customers, and comcast would go broke. What's the problem? Eff sakes.
@SeeProfileForDetails the problem is that there is often ONE internet company (unless you want dial-up. bleh) if that company decides to fuck you, theres not much you can do. most people are sheep. so if the ISP fucks me and i stop paying, they wont even feel it if my idiot neighbors continue to pay and are too lazy to put up a fight. the free market isnt a perfect system where everythings wrapped in a nice little package. im against net neutrality though.
@TheEgg185 Hmm, that's similar to the water company or natural gas company, or electric company. Generally there is only one choice. Sometimes there are multiple choices, but rarely. I'm getting ripped off by a utility company and there is no other option since they own the stuff that transports the utility into homes.
@SeeProfileForDetails Thats correct. im not complaining about anything, but just dont tell me that if the internet company pulls shit with me that i can just switch to a different company when i cant. its just like all the utility companies you mentioned. so theres nothing you can do if these companies try to fuck you besides gettin your water, electric, gas, internet shut off.
@SeeProfileForDetails - Right now there are few providers for most markets. This is because it's expensive to run cable. Back when ISPs were dial up, there were many providers, because they all ran on top of the monopoly phone system. Now that ISPs need to touch the wires, you have no competition. You should have a duopoly, but generally, in an area, one provider is the "good" one, and the other has ignored the market.
At least the Gov is in theory accountable to the people through the ballot, private corporations on the other hand are private dictatorships - you, the citizen, have ZERO say in what they do.
As for the "free market" argument, come on?
The "free market" is a total fiction.
Every major sector of the economy is controlled by monopolies.
There is no "consumer voice" when the internet is privately owned by a handful of big companies. . .
Explain in detail why, where, and how the companies regulating the net right NOW are treating anybody unfairly. Give us precise examps.
BIG Problem #1 is that NOBODY is explaining these so called injustices or giving ANY examples of such, which makes all this sound as convoluted and trite as "HOPE and CHANGE", Afghanistan Iraq wars, Bush tax law extension, wall street fat puke bailouts mm mmm. These companies are in bed with the Gov. Google, come on man!
@rakrobn why is it with you stupid govt tit suckers and liberals that the only possible other solution is more govt regulation. Of course we don't want companies blocking content, read the previous posts before you start making assenine comments.
In their video Who Are The Young Turkeys Cenk says there is a code on tv that regulated what you can and cannot not say and yet he wants to give that same gov agency the power to regulate the net. Can you possibly be more of an idiot?
The free market is what regulates the internet providers because the free market is you the people not the FCC! If you don't like that Internet Service provider you choose not to do business with them. It is democracy in its purest form. The big corporations are the ones who love regulation because it eliminates competition. NET NEUTRALITY IS BULLSHIT!!! THE DOUCHEBAG IN THE VIDEO IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE.
@divotit Ah, more fearmongering from the teabagger right. You must watch Faux News on a daily basis, the #1 "news" channel in misinforming their viewers."As for me being a Douche yeah I have washed a few vag's in my time." --- I doubt any woman would want you in their vag as stupid a troglodyte as you are.
@rakrobn This has nothing to do with slowing down the speed to certain websites. Where do you get your info? Oh wait, you listen to cenk, enough said.
Fox news has its head up its ass when it reports US government wants to regulate internet ! They PREVENT Individual providers from having unfair advantage.
Also, please dont even bring up Canada's socialist health care system which is a joke as we all know Canadians that come to the US to get treatment for major medical procedures. As a matter of fact one of the guys I work with is from Canada on a work visa and he says how bad your healthcare is up there.
sorry, having trouble typing on my phone, what i meant to say to youngSpotBuck is that he will be the first person that the FCC will want to censor, by his/her use of the English language or should I say non-use of it. Somehow youngspot I seriously do
I appreciate the respectful comments and replies to my post here earlier. I have so little faith in our government and the fact that it is so firmly planted in Wall Street and corporate America. True, we the people are the government, but in a representative republic the elected representatives must do the will of the people before it can have any effect. What I see here is the FCC and unelected body taking over. So who do you trust more, the FCC or the market where we can vote w/our wallets
The U.S = YOU have a DEMOCRACY that has taken over the UNITED STATES REPUBLIC.
The propaganda show DEMOCRACYNOW would not be titled as such if it was not in favour of sustaining a DEMOCRACY. If this was not the case it would be called REPUBLICNOW!
As a result the constitution does not apply because the people whom "you do not elect"
DO NOT REPRESENT THE constitution in a court room or anywhere else.
@waitingformusic Until the constitution is legally deemed null and void we live in a representative republic. Go and learn how to play well with others and respect.
@waitingformusic LOL. We are a democratic republic. It's a republic because we have representative rather than direct democracy. This whole "republic not a democracy" spin was concocted a few years back to get people to think Republicans were the "real Americans" and Democrats were "fake" or wrong. It was just a silly word game, but thousands of people bought it. We need to study our history and government a lot more, because only fools would fall for something so absurd.
@dclong60 If there is little to no competition on a commodity then your "wallet-vote" is useless as the heads of the corporations know you will have to go to them to get what you need. Remember we are the government so a so called "government take-over" is really the people taking over and doing what is right to encourage competition.
So if a Duck began to meow and was ( representative ) showed likeness to that of cat it doesnt make it one does it?!
LEARN TO READ. Instead of stringing words together that you do not know the meaning of.
How can a DEMOCRACY led government that has overthrown a REPUBLIC government legally claim a document that it did not produce null and void?! Are you F U C K I N G stupid?
You are certainly not VERY BRIGHT?! Did you vote Sarah Palin? Lol.
I appreciate the respectful comments and replies to my post here earlier. I have so little faith in our government and the fact that it is so firmly planted in Wall Street and corporate America. True, we the people are the government, but in a representative republic the elected representatives must do the will of the people before it can have any effect. What I see here is the FCC and unelected body taking over. So who do you trust more, the FCC or the market where we can vote w/our wallets
Let's stop talking about The Government as if they were a seperate entity. Ladies and gentlemen, we have this one shot to realize that we ARE the government. Take the power BACK!
Dont be fooled, everyone is in favor of Net Neutrality, the question is about how we maintain that neutrality is it by giving another govt agency new powers to control how we access the internet or is it by letting the free market and consumers control it by not using services that are discriminatory or by suing companies that try and discriminate.
First, explain to me what net neutrality is to you and we can start discussing more about it because so far, you fucking misunderstood net neutrality vs. service providers
Man..forget it...its fucking obvious that you'd have no problem with your ISPs regulating your contends from within and out. Hell, you'd want your ISPs to view your internet. Have a nice day, we are gonna keep fighting to protect your internet rights.
@YoungSpotUBrock Another example of someone who can't maintain a simple civil dialogue with people he/she disagrees with. Instead, you shout, curse, and belittle those not in like-mind with you. You are obviously young, inexperienced, and angry. If you think the government can do everything better, let me suggest you go and check out the Postal Service, Social Security, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack, Medicare and Medicaid, Amtrak, Cash for Clunkers...the list goes on. THEY ARE ALL BROKE!
@sgiff - the problem is, there are too few competitors, and if you look at history, there aren't likely to be more. Realistically, we're stuck with between one and three providers per market, so we have no choice but the force regulation on them.
I mean it's obvious that the YT have a leftist agenda, every video they make is clearly trying to bash Fox News. Its clear what their agenda is and it has nothing to do with providing objective news which is what they are trying to make you believe by putting up the fake news background in their videos.
@YoungSpotUBrock How can you use the terms corporate and capitalist in the same sentence? Educate yourself before spouting off, and perhaps you'll understand the not so subtle dangers state intervention always brings along.
@sgiff They actually tell you they have a leftist agenda. Except, they aren't that "left". Cenk used to be a Republican but now is a left of center Democrat.
This guy from the Young Turks argument is basically that the government is not regulating the internet, and that they are only regulating the companies. How can he even make this claim when no one has even seen the rules that the FCC has come up with yet? And even if they are keeping it to just regulating companies do you really think it will stay that way for long. Are you going to eat your words when you are proved wrong and come on here and apologize on youtube for misleading everyone.
You are right though, there is no point with FCC is caving to ISPs (just the oligarchy ones) demand and Obama sucking their dicks at every chance he gets.
ISP's are absolutely part of the free market, where did you get your economics degree? I don't think you know what you are talking about, and as far as Comcast i already mentioned that their had been 2 or 3 large cases involving ISPs blocking content. This should be handled through the courts we don't need another agency regulating everything. They will abuse their power and history proves it.
Re: FDA how many former FDA officials are now on the payroll of the Pharma industries, you don't think that is a conflict of interest. How many good herbal remedies have been blocked by the FDA because they are in bed with the mega Pharma companies and don't want alternative medicines. You can be arrested for even making claims that any herbal remedy can cure or even help medical problems. My point is that the FDA and other Gov agencies never stop abusing and growing their power.
Either way, if Dems win Net Neutrality is doomed, if Repubs win Net Neutrality is damned, and doomed even sooner.
I wouldn't put it past the Obama administration to put something in this legislation to actually allow the government to step in at some point to "better protect the freedoms of American citizens". I mean after all he is continuing indefinite detention and warrant-less wire tapping.
Obviously, you can't trust EITHER party (or their respective networks). You keep trying to make this about LEFT/RIGHT. It's about US, and our freedom. Keeping the Internet OPEN and UNREGULATED is the only issue we should be concerned about.
Really, there have only been 2-3 large cases that have all been dealt with sufficiently by lawsuits and the courts. Leave it there. There is no need to fix what isn't broken.
Seriously when in history has a government agency not overstepped its bounds and become an ever encroaching presence on our daily lives and freedoms. Now that we have essentially allowed the FCC to start making rules for the internet, you think that it's going to ever stop, you think that they are not going to be controlled to enact more rules in favor of these big corporations? Listen to the arrogance of chairman Genachowski, History proves otherwise.
The media giants, and I mean everyone excdluding (Fox and Premiere Radio network and a few other conservative outlets) are pissed off that the majority of America isn't buying their twisted propaganda any more so they want to control the media and the sources you have access to by sensoring objective news since they have no objectivity themselves. Hence they are using pawns like young Turks to promote their agenda which is clear, don't be fooled.
I dont think everyone understand that they are just trying to get big corporations who don't care about your YT, or Bittorent, or games to get you to pay more money because you are on a website they don't like, or to make your connection slower to treat the internet as a whole. If we let ATNT and Comcast have its way the internet will not be how ti is today.
Faux News: If you can't stifle them directly, circumvent their opinions with your own rambling interjections until they have no time left to speak their mind.
In typical Faux News fashion, the head anchor continually insists on interrupting the Faux News guests in order to stifle whatever relevant, intelligent point they might possibly have to say. The fact that Faux News is allowed to continue propagating its bullshit, acting in such a rude, immature fashion, is tantamount to the state of mind of not only modern media reporting, but also the one-sided nature of the current iteration of the FCC itself (the organization that allows this to continue).
the fact of the matter is that government shouldn't have to step in and do anything, people should be smart enough to realize that their ISP is bottlenecking their internet on certain sites. then after they find out that they are they should find a different ISP. where i live there are 2 ISP's comcast and a small company named visionary communications, we don't have a landline so to put one in comcast wanted to charge $2,000 so we went with the latter because they're cheaper. free market people.
Let the free market regulate the net keep big brother out of it because I promise you you will regret it. You will eat your words one day and history has proven it again and again but apparently you leftists and progressives can't see how every time government gets involved freedoms are lost not gained. You have been played as well as all the other sheep that look blindly towards big government controlling everything.
It's not the govt. controlling it you idiot. You know how bad this will get if we let the corporations get there way? Well a example of how bad it will turn out is if you look at our economy.
@lildread1 your the idiot look at what the government has done now all controlled by corporations, did you forget about the financial bailout we just had and that is ongoing, ever hear of the Fed? Its a corporation not part of our government but our government has been so controlled by these outside entities and paid off that they are alllowed to do anything to us, you think this will change, if we let the FCC enact new rules. Every agency of the government in existence has been bought by corp
This isnt about the FCC controlling the internet, its about them making sure that the ISPs give equal amount of bandwith and dont give special amounts of bandwith to sites they like/agree with. If we dont do this then the corporations will effectively ruin the internet.
@lildread1 obviously you are still drinking the coolaid and are not bothering to read anything I posted. Of course that is what the propaganda masters are telling you that it is about, however if you look at the rules as they stand now, critics agree from both sides that there are many loopholes and those loopholes will allow the very things that you say this is designed to prevent. But more importantlly it gives the FCC power it to define and control how you use the internet which is bad.
Right so basically when the IRS was created it was supposed to be a good thing and when the FDA was created it was supposed to keep America safe seriously you think that this Net Neutrality legislation that was decided upon by 3 democrats who were not even elected which is going to affect commerce of every company and person in America is not going to be twisted and abused by big corporations to their own benefit and turned into the exact thing that you think you are preventing. You are a fool.
@sgiff LOL at the idea that the FDA and IRS were bad ideas! You can't have government without some form of revenue, and hence you need an IRS, and I for one THANK GOD for the FDA everytime I'm forced to eat in a country without such regulations and end up puking my guts out.
@djsinatra100 Where did I ever say that FDA and IRS were a bad idea, obviously a government has to have some kind of taxes to run and FDA is good in principle but they have grown way to powerful and intrusive. Did you know that FDA approved Polio vaccinnes in the 60's with cancer causing monkey virus and spread it to millions of people and you wonder why so many people have cancer today. google sv40foundation and monkey virus
This is a real war now. They have enough money and govt connections. You, the users, have enough number (but you still need organization). First, what is neutral? Is money neutral? Which country's money is neutral?
It was murdered by liberal activists. In few years they will probably say it wasn't their fault or they didn't know. No matter I will never forget nor forgive the people who help kill the last free medium.
It appears the Young Turks do not realize that the Government is bought and paid for through special interest lobbyists and bribes to the house and Senate legal counsels who write and modify regulation that corporations dictate. The Government has been hijacked by the Banking financial institutions and the Big Corporations. Regulation always turns into regulation of the public. Look who got bailed out, Goldman Sachs and GM. It's all been bought and paid for.
The gov't is regulating the internet to ensure the providers can't regulate their own property? This country is in the situation it is because of a lack of respect for property rights. Every great society decays under a slow loss of property rights. If we as political voters think we have the right to tell what businesses can do with their own products and services (which we do not have to purchase), we're going to pervert business incentives to satisfy the customer.
@selfrealizedexile So should we be making sure company's that provide food such as meat, run clean facilities that process safe and edible products so as to not poison us ? Or is that big government regulation ? Or would the market fix that by giving the consumer the ability to not purchase their product. How did that work out for the consumer in Americas past ?
Yes, yes, I know all about Upton Sinclair. Your argument is narrow-sighted and fallacious. Businesses, when they have no guaranteed, coerced income through working with the State, can only court the consumer to stay alive. If certain businesses gain bad reputations, they lose revenue and have a proportionate incentive to change their reputation if it isn't already too late for them. Let's already get this straight, however: the last thing a business is going to want to do is
poison its own revenue source. The way you should structure your complaint is "what keeps consumers protected from negligent business practices?" Now, your conclusion is "well, of course, gov't is our answer--they will be fair, neutral, and informed." I contend that not only can the unfettered market provide adequate checks on negligence, but would be much more agile and less corruptible because it is completely dependent on consumers for survival, not coercive taxation.
So, not only do businesses have natural incentives to cater to consumer demands, the market can, and has in the past, developed private certification agencies whose entire marketable asset is the brand power of its stamp of approval on products and companies. You see this today in the economy through middlemen in the form of retailers(between consumers and suppliers)who have incentives to offer quality products it stands behind and whose consumers can rely on the retailer's brand.
These middlemen will inevitably be better technically informed on the relevant industry and more closely listening to current consumer demands with a strong incentive to predict future consumer demands. Bureaucrats inevitably get bought off by those they were supposed to be regulating. What's more, even if they are well-intended people, they necessarily fall behind the daily advances made in the market.
@selfrealizedexile God damn son, you certainly are drinking the cool aid. How long did it take you to type that ? Especially with spiffy phrases like "I contend". I'm impressed. Anyways, your glenn beck inspired argument still sucks. It's very simple. Business will always do whatever gives them more profit. Always. Anyway, if you can't see how being allowed to throttle back a competitors service on the net is dangerous, then you're pretty much a total moron.
Nah, I don't watch Glenn Beck that much. He's still very much behind the curve. My economics education greatly surpases both his and yours. What's more, your argument essentially reduces to "I'm right and, if you don't think so, you're a total moron!" Gratz, that argument has never appeared on YT before; way to rise above the fray by having an adult conversation. If you want to keep your head in the sand, you're only hurting yourself, heralding a less free and prosperous future.
Yes, I read how you misspelled kool-aid and think pursuing profit hurts consumers. The only way a business can profit in a negative way is if property rights aren't being enforced. Otherwise, if they can't externalize their costs onto taxpayers, they can only attempt to increase consumer demand--revenue--and minimize cost--conserve scarce resources. Neither is damaging to society; indeed, it is beneficial. Producers are the only reason society still exists.
Why you taking the fucking Internet
TheZackreaper 1 month ago
I agree with FOX. Kind of slick how the govt wont be regulating the internet when they would be "regulating" the internet companys from "regulating" the internet...lol...ok.
They never said trust the company's....they just understand the best way is the consumer and competition. Govt regs wont make the companys trust worthy. The consumer will be the judge and at worst it will spark competition. They would be cutting their own throats. Anyone remember Netflix screw up? I dont need a babysitter.
rackemcueboy 1 month ago
@rackemcueboy ... You're misunderstanding the definition of Net Neutrality. Without it, internet providers such as Time Warner, Comcast, Surewest, etc. would have the right to censor and slow-down and/or speed-up websites. For example, if you use Time Warner, and they have a deal with Blockbuster Online, they can slow-down Netflix Online. Would you support that? The Obama administration doesn't, and neither do I.
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1:40 lol
BlakesMercury 4 months ago
Fuck the FCC, corporations and most of all Fuck the biggest monopoly of them all, Government. That's right, without Government the FCC and corporations would never exist in the first place. The dollar that rest in the hand of the consumer has always and will always be the best regulator of the market place.
yinzjagoffs 5 months ago
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yinzjagoffs 5 months ago
The biggest myth these right wing neo-con pricks would love for you to believe in is that we are living in a free-market within a free country. Show me the big evil corporation and I'll show you the tax loop holes, subsidies and liability insurance given by Government that allows a business to become a corporation. Also, with more people behind bars for victimless non-crimes agaist the State then any other country , how can any of these right-wing jagoffs ever look at that flag and be proud.
yinzjagoffs 5 months ago
@yinzjagoffs You know you are free to leave if you dont like it here. Im just curious. Please tell me the country that you plan on going to that is so much better than this country when it comes to a free-market and free country? I can name a few that would have you executed for your same stmt. By the way the "dollar that rest in the hand of the consumer" is a fantastic rgiht/conservative arguement. What are you exactly?
rackemcueboy 1 month ago
@rackemcueboy "What are you exactly?" Look up what has become known as the 'non-aggression Principe.'
yinzjagoffs 1 month ago
@yinzjagoffs Looked up non aggression principal...Are you a libertarian then? Couldnt tell from your comments conservative one moment then liberal the next. I was worried about you. lol. I dont know a lot about Liberatrians so wouldnt recognize it if I saw it. I lean conservative on fiscal and social issues...more left when it comes to the environment.
rackemcueboy 1 month ago
@rackemcueboy I just like to call myself pro-choice on everything. Yes, I would say it's pretty much a mix between the two, but the only thing I'm conservative about is taxation and even that I wouldn't bother to conserve.
yinzjagoffs 1 month ago
@yinzjagoffs Your an idiot, this battle has already been fought over tv and the corporations won by a landslide. Another prime example of corporate battle was when the big three auto companies put Tucker out of business. Ever wonder why TV isnt mainly broadcasted through the air waves and have you ever wondered why you pay for cable when commercials should pay for the content? That was back in the day, they have gotten a lot slicker and do their dirty business behind closed doors.
dissturbbed 4 months ago
Figures that the Young Turds would want the FCC policing the internet. God forbid someone might use to expose how full of shit they are.
Ironhawk86 5 months ago
I have a dream. A dream involving fox news, and a sledgehammer.
ozero1 6 months ago
@ozero1 I think I had that same dream
StraightPunkEdge93 5 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
I love how she interrupted him explaining what net nuetrality was to ask what it was
NJdaniels96 6 months ago in playlist FOX's Fake News
Great clips! Thank you for pointing out the spin these idiots throw on every single news story they present. Great work Turks
d33f4wl7 8 months ago
Without government regulating companies we would all be screwed..companies only care about one thing and thats the almighty dollar and if they didn't have the government breathing down their back they would still be polluting and selling unsafe products to the public and not giving a second thought about who they are endangering..just look what happened when they lifted the regulations on the housing market...HELL the great depression is another great example of deregulation
dissturbbed 8 months ago
does anyone even watch msnbcm its a fucking joke fox isnt the only ones making screwups
Refuz2Follow 8 months ago
@Refuz2Follow u mean fox?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 8 months ago
OMG, the young turds are making a video about fox news.....*yawn...
critter505 8 months ago
@critter505 facts make u bored?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 8 months ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 "facts".....oh brother
critter505 8 months ago
@critter505 so u hate them?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 8 months ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 notice the quotation marks?
critter505 8 months ago
"Internet service provider" =/= "The Internet". Lol.
Battlewench 8 months ago
She just openly trying to stop him telling the truth. She is openly lying.
stathamajf 8 months ago
at 2:19 he is about to tell us all what net neutrality really is and the host realizes it so she interrupts him before he can make his point.
misterdirtyharry 8 months ago in playlist Best TYT Clips About Fox News Playlist
A simple search on the internet has now been tied to 10 grams of carbon emissions.
Time to regulate your searches - to save the environment.
Chinese are the real environmentalists.
jag10 8 months ago
@jag10 Pics or it's not real.
stathamajf 8 months ago
It really is pathetic that Fox news must turn every issue into an assault on personal liberty. But really, the most legitimate arguments against net neutrality are the questions of how the regulations will define "neutrality." It's a complex question which will require eventual tweaks and amendments, all of which will be subject to lobbying. That ultimately gives a huge advantage to the companies that spend the most money on lobbying, rather than the ones that offer the best services.
F1NGER 9 months ago
Meghan Kelly is a dumb cunt.
MSG685 10 months ago
@MSG685
I swear I was going to write that same exact comment.
noellennon 9 months ago in playlist Best TYT Clips About Fox News Playlist
@noellennon Great minds think alike . Meghan Kelly doesn't think at all .
MSG685 9 months ago
damn these people only read what they want to believe. of coourse everything she read says obama is trying to control the internet. she works for Fox. what do you think she reads to get her info?
BeingNobody1956 10 months ago
2 guys who have never been elected, talking about politics.
I guess I'll consult my trashman about legal matters.
CarMoves 10 months ago
Its funny because they are both basically arguing fear. Fear that ISPs will slow down websites...fear that this is just step one to more control over Americans W
ell look whats happening now with wire taps and the internet .I dont need govt. having its hands in everything. They already took away my right to play poker online Why? Stupid and lazy people cant control their kids so they needed a law? All I am asking for is my constitutional rights! Read it! Its not supposed to be this way!
BearDownBean 11 months ago
as a conservative who knows fox is slanted right, and knows what net neutrality is, the guy on the right is correct. NO ONE knows what net neutrality is...why?
Pyrofreak321 11 months ago
Meghan Kelly is a fucking Whore; I bet she lets the Murdock family lick her twat.
biorgymd 11 months ago
@biorgymd very civil and mature...she's married and has 2 kids i believe with her husband.
Pyrofreak321 11 months ago
@Pyrofreak321 No, no, no, no. Wrong, those kids are an unspeakable bastard crossbreed of Rupert Murdock, and Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia. Stop watching FOX news, it rots the brain.
Here’s something else for ya that’s an unspeakable bastard crossbreed.
The Fatherland- Nazi Germany
The Motherland - Communist Russia
The Homeland – An Unspeakable Bastard crossbreed of the two above!
biorgymd 11 months ago
@biorgymd did you not read my comment? before you rant on irrelevant psycho bullshit, read it, I'm some-what on your side.
Pyrofreak321 11 months ago
@Pyrofreak321 I don't know what you are so upset about, I was agreeing with you
biorgymd 11 months ago
@Pyrofreak321 no she is a whore, not prostitute. prostitutes are hard working people. while this bitch is media whore that lies and spreads miss information and she knows that she is lying.
gooddarkjedi 9 months ago
the guy on the right has a strong stomach
usintelreport 11 months ago
Sorry, you're wrong. Pretty sure Net Neutrality has been around for years, annnd it has never been what you're describing. COME ON TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, TRUST THE GOVERNMENT DO IT! Oh, but you get your news from MSNBC, a much more respectable source. lolirony.
hotfudgemoney 1 year ago
Yeah, I think maybe that is what Government is for, to punish the bad companies that want to be greedy and screw good people out of money. Then again, the government is a type of company too. But maybe a wiser one. Not sure though. Who really runs the government anyway? Obama? Lol. I doubt that one dude makes all those decisions. No, Obama is kinda just there to give a face to it all. He represents, but doesn't really run the shit. The government is a bunch of people squabbling.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
I think it's a good idea to trust government over a big business, I suppose. Because people who go into politics and media are usually genuinely wanting to make the world a better place. I mean, it IS their job to look out Ethically, Philosophically for the common interest of its people. Of course, it's all a matter of perspective.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
@skytrooper1980 Dude I hope that comment was a troll. If it was, EPIC troll... wow. If not, you're retarded. In a world where everyone was educated it would benefit companies further to tell you the truth, rather than sugar coat things and bullshit with you to make a buck. In other words, if the American population were not so disillusioned, "diet" products would not be sold, there wouldn't be a market for them. It's the people who allow business to do what they do.
hotfudgemoney 1 year ago
@hotfudgemoney look dude, honestly i don't which i trust more, corporations or the government, and neither do you. these days big business basically ARE the government. The line is blurry, and nobody but a true analyst knows the truth about who really wants what. The fucking FCC passed the shit and it was like they didn't anything...it was wierd. All I know is that net neutrality is a good thing, democracy is a good thing, and now it's fucked.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
@hotfudgemoney From time to time, I'll play the devil's advocate as a result of my own critical thinking when I haven't quite enough information to form a firm stance on a subject yet. I think it's good for people to get mixed messages of sincere, honest thought and inquiry. No, I'm not retarded. I don't really trust the government more than American companies. I don't really trust either more than the other. They're so much alike. I'm not sure. I just want net neutrality.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
@skytrooper1980 You can take comfort in trusting business over the government if you know which businesses to patron and which to tell your friends are assholes. The government you have no control over, and most politicians are UPPER class Americans, the likes of which 99% of us will never see. They are not upper middle class, live around the corner from you, went to a nice school, and parents have good paying jobs.
hotfudgemoney 1 year ago
fuck fox
FANTOMTRON 1 year ago
This provokes a lot more questions in me than answers, because it's a matter of trust.
skytrooper1980 1 year ago
I don't understand how something called "Net Neutrality" could mean anything other than what it is.
TheNamewithnumbers 1 year ago
@TheNamewithnumbers Do you always believe the government and take their labels at face value?
theCrimosnBeard 1 year ago
Oh how blind some people in the US these days.
ZakhariusSilpheed 1 year ago
net neutrality is a joke, it robs consumers of choice, and hands it in power of the big websites of the internet.
truemonolith 1 year ago
@truemonolith shut up you fucking idiot
OpRedDawn 1 year ago
"you already lost a lot of our views, nobody knows what net neutrality is" .... ahahah fox knows their viewers.... mainly illiterate tards...
lSeKToRl 1 year ago 35
@lSeKToRl hah, it's kinda funny because the reason they're viewers wouldn't understand the point the guy's making is because they already had a lie of a lead in story.
Balsology 1 year ago
@lSeKToRl lmao
coldintelligence 10 months ago
@lSeKToRl LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
nice one. totally agree.
simgadraco2005 7 months ago
The "free market" is a fiction. It's like "Disneyland" for wannabe-libertarian adults. All markets are regulated, and regulation is what makes a market. In a mall, there are storefronts. In a bazaar, there are booths. Cities have zoning. Utilities are regulated. The FDA and FCC regulate products. Regulation reduces risk - and that allows transaction costs to drop, leading to faster and more satisfying trades.
wildgift2 1 year ago
Fuck that stupid blonde who had to interrupt because she doesn't know what net neutrality means.
jakash3 1 year ago 37
@jakash3 LOL ORLY?
hotfudgemoney 1 year ago
Well let's say comcast slows down certain sites. In a free market people will simply unsubscribe from Comcast and go to another provider in the free market who allows them to do what they want to do. That's what having choices is all about in a free market. You think that people are going to stick with a company that blocks them from doing what they want to do? another corporation will open up and provide better service to the customers, and comcast would go broke. What's the problem? Eff sakes.
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
@SeeProfileForDetails the problem is that there is often ONE internet company (unless you want dial-up. bleh) if that company decides to fuck you, theres not much you can do. most people are sheep. so if the ISP fucks me and i stop paying, they wont even feel it if my idiot neighbors continue to pay and are too lazy to put up a fight. the free market isnt a perfect system where everythings wrapped in a nice little package. im against net neutrality though.
TheEgg185 1 year ago
@TheEgg185 Hmm, that's similar to the water company or natural gas company, or electric company. Generally there is only one choice. Sometimes there are multiple choices, but rarely. I'm getting ripped off by a utility company and there is no other option since they own the stuff that transports the utility into homes.
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
@SeeProfileForDetails Thats correct. im not complaining about anything, but just dont tell me that if the internet company pulls shit with me that i can just switch to a different company when i cant. its just like all the utility companies you mentioned. so theres nothing you can do if these companies try to fuck you besides gettin your water, electric, gas, internet shut off.
TheEgg185 1 year ago
@SeeProfileForDetails - Right now there are few providers for most markets. This is because it's expensive to run cable. Back when ISPs were dial up, there were many providers, because they all ran on top of the monopoly phone system. Now that ISPs need to touch the wires, you have no competition. You should have a duopoly, but generally, in an area, one provider is the "good" one, and the other has ignored the market.
wildgift2 1 year ago
At least the Gov is in theory accountable to the people through the ballot, private corporations on the other hand are private dictatorships - you, the citizen, have ZERO say in what they do.
As for the "free market" argument, come on?
The "free market" is a total fiction.
Every major sector of the economy is controlled by monopolies.
There is no "consumer voice" when the internet is privately owned by a handful of big companies. . .
SensiStarToaster 1 year ago 3
Hey young Turk
Explain in detail why, where, and how the companies regulating the net right NOW are treating anybody unfairly. Give us precise examps.
BIG Problem #1 is that NOBODY is explaining these so called injustices or giving ANY examples of such, which makes all this sound as convoluted and trite as "HOPE and CHANGE", Afghanistan Iraq wars, Bush tax law extension, wall street fat puke bailouts mm mmm. These companies are in bed with the Gov. Google, come on man!
PS "F" FAUX news
visionfirst1970 1 year ago
Seni seviyorum!!!
mc5tallion 1 year ago
@rakrobn why is it with you stupid govt tit suckers and liberals that the only possible other solution is more govt regulation. Of course we don't want companies blocking content, read the previous posts before you start making assenine comments.
sgiff 1 year ago
In their video Who Are The Young Turkeys Cenk says there is a code on tv that regulated what you can and cannot not say and yet he wants to give that same gov agency the power to regulate the net. Can you possibly be more of an idiot?
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff So companies should be allowed to slow down speed to certain websites and throttle traffic. You're the bigger idiot.
rakrobn 1 year ago
The free market is what regulates the internet providers because the free market is you the people not the FCC! If you don't like that Internet Service provider you choose not to do business with them. It is democracy in its purest form. The big corporations are the ones who love regulation because it eliminates competition. NET NEUTRALITY IS BULLSHIT!!! THE DOUCHEBAG IN THE VIDEO IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE.
conanthebarbarian333 1 year ago
@conanthebarbarian333 So you agree with companies throttling traffic and cutting off certain websites - bravo, douchebag.
rakrobn 1 year ago
We need the old search engines back!
hbjon 1 year ago
It is easy to know what to believe in this world. Just listen to Megan and you know that the opposite is right and fair.
hbjon 1 year ago
wow you are so completely wrong. Thanks Cenk for being misinformed yet one more time. Your are such a FAIL.
divotit 1 year ago 3
@divotit The only misinformed one is you corporate Teabagger troll.
rakrobn 1 year ago
@rakrobn Just wait until the FCC gets a hold of the internet. They will set it back a decade or more.
Nothing good will come of FCC involvement. Wait and see me friend. As for me being a Douche yeah I have washed a few vag's in my time.
divotit 1 year ago
@divotit Ah, more fearmongering from the teabagger right. You must watch Faux News on a daily basis, the #1 "news" channel in misinforming their viewers."As for me being a Douche yeah I have washed a few vag's in my time." --- I doubt any woman would want you in their vag as stupid a troglodyte as you are.
rakrobn 1 year ago 2
@rakrobn Damn dude you are one angry fellow.
divotit 1 year ago
@rakrobn This has nothing to do with slowing down the speed to certain websites. Where do you get your info? Oh wait, you listen to cenk, enough said.
XxUrSoLoStxX 1 year ago
ok, so what fox needs to say is, "give the FCC an inch and they will hijack your internet freedoms" its apowergrab
kathogifford 1 year ago
Fox news has its head up its ass when it reports US government wants to regulate internet ! They PREVENT Individual providers from having unfair advantage.
CheopsMusings1337 1 year ago
Besides, this is an American issue, Canadians as much as we do consider you guys to be pretty good neighbors this has nothing to do with you.
sgiff 1 year ago
besides what does your opinion matter in this whyole decision anyway.
sgiff 1 year ago
Also, please dont even bring up Canada's socialist health care system which is a joke as we all know Canadians that come to the US to get treatment for major medical procedures. As a matter of fact one of the guys I work with is from Canada on a work visa and he says how bad your healthcare is up there.
sgiff 1 year ago
sorry, having trouble typing on my phone, what i meant to say to youngSpotBuck is that he will be the first person that the FCC will want to censor, by his/her use of the English language or should I say non-use of it. Somehow youngspot I seriously do
sgiff 1 year ago
@youngSpot If there was ever a need for censorship I'm sure by your example here of your extrem and use
sgiff 1 year ago
"Nobody knows what net neutrality is. you already lost a lot of viewers."
Thanks for telling us that your viewers are fucking morons.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
I appreciate the respectful comments and replies to my post here earlier. I have so little faith in our government and the fact that it is so firmly planted in Wall Street and corporate America. True, we the people are the government, but in a representative republic the elected representatives must do the will of the people before it can have any effect. What I see here is the FCC and unelected body taking over. So who do you trust more, the FCC or the market where we can vote w/our wallets
dclong60 1 year ago
@dclong60 -
The U.S = YOU have a DEMOCRACY that has taken over the UNITED STATES REPUBLIC.
The propaganda show DEMOCRACYNOW would not be titled as such if it was not in favour of sustaining a DEMOCRACY. If this was not the case it would be called REPUBLICNOW!
As a result the constitution does not apply because the people whom "you do not elect"
DO NOT REPRESENT THE constitution in a court room or anywhere else.
WHERE IS YOUR REPUBLIC??
GO AND FUCKING STUDY.
waitingformusic 1 year ago
@waitingformusic Until the constitution is legally deemed null and void we live in a representative republic. Go and learn how to play well with others and respect.
dclong60 1 year ago
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waitingformusic 1 year ago
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waitingformusic 1 year ago
@waitingformusic LOL. We are a democratic republic. It's a republic because we have representative rather than direct democracy. This whole "republic not a democracy" spin was concocted a few years back to get people to think Republicans were the "real Americans" and Democrats were "fake" or wrong. It was just a silly word game, but thousands of people bought it. We need to study our history and government a lot more, because only fools would fall for something so absurd.
wildgift2 1 year ago
@wildgift2 - Just what exactly is a democratic republic? Is that in constitution?
"WE THE PEOPLE ARE A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC" LOL- Youve been watching too much Olbermann!
"Word games" = You seriously can not be this stupid. You seem unstable but I think I shall ask you anyway!
ARE YOU F U C K I N G INSANE? No matter.
The constitution has been suspended since 1933!
WHY IS THAT?
You require study!
JUST WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??
Do you read? Can you spell?
waitingformusic 1 year ago
@dclong60 If there is little to no competition on a commodity then your "wallet-vote" is useless as the heads of the corporations know you will have to go to them to get what you need. Remember we are the government so a so called "government take-over" is really the people taking over and doing what is right to encourage competition.
comochinganconesto 1 year ago
@comochinganconesto and that theory is all well and good if elected representatives are not corrupt.
dclong60 1 year ago
@dclong60 - DO NOT BE so fucking stupid!
So if a Duck began to meow and was ( representative ) showed likeness to that of cat it doesnt make it one does it?!
LEARN TO READ. Instead of stringing words together that you do not know the meaning of.
How can a DEMOCRACY led government that has overthrown a REPUBLIC government legally claim a document that it did not produce null and void?! Are you F U C K I N G stupid?
You are certainly not VERY BRIGHT?! Did you vote Sarah Palin? Lol.
waitingformusic 1 year ago
I appreciate the respectful comments and replies to my post here earlier. I have so little faith in our government and the fact that it is so firmly planted in Wall Street and corporate America. True, we the people are the government, but in a representative republic the elected representatives must do the will of the people before it can have any effect. What I see here is the FCC and unelected body taking over. So who do you trust more, the FCC or the market where we can vote w/our wallets
dclong60 1 year ago
Let's stop talking about The Government as if they were a seperate entity. Ladies and gentlemen, we have this one shot to realize that we ARE the government. Take the power BACK!
kailia666 1 year ago
Dont be fooled, everyone is in favor of Net Neutrality, the question is about how we maintain that neutrality is it by giving another govt agency new powers to control how we access the internet or is it by letting the free market and consumers control it by not using services that are discriminatory or by suing companies that try and discriminate.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
God...you are sick...
Do you know what net neutrality is about?
First, explain to me what net neutrality is to you and we can start discussing more about it because so far, you fucking misunderstood net neutrality vs. service providers
Man..forget it...its fucking obvious that you'd have no problem with your ISPs regulating your contends from within and out. Hell, you'd want your ISPs to view your internet. Have a nice day, we are gonna keep fighting to protect your internet rights.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
@YoungSpotUBrock Another example of someone who can't maintain a simple civil dialogue with people he/she disagrees with. Instead, you shout, curse, and belittle those not in like-mind with you. You are obviously young, inexperienced, and angry. If you think the government can do everything better, let me suggest you go and check out the Postal Service, Social Security, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack, Medicare and Medicaid, Amtrak, Cash for Clunkers...the list goes on. THEY ARE ALL BROKE!
dclong60 1 year ago
@sgiff - the problem is, there are too few competitors, and if you look at history, there aren't likely to be more. Realistically, we're stuck with between one and three providers per market, so we have no choice but the force regulation on them.
wildgift2 1 year ago
I mean it's obvious that the YT have a leftist agenda, every video they make is clearly trying to bash Fox News. Its clear what their agenda is and it has nothing to do with providing objective news which is what they are trying to make you believe by putting up the fake news background in their videos.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
Actually, its pretty easy to bash Fox News because they are so biased.
Can't believe you can't get that in your head.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
@sgiff \
Corporate dicksucker.
I had to say it.
Go worship your Capitalism a little more and suck the tits of that wonder cash.
Sorry if this offended you. I intended it that way.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
@YoungSpotUBrock How can you use the terms corporate and capitalist in the same sentence? Educate yourself before spouting off, and perhaps you'll understand the not so subtle dangers state intervention always brings along.
rbairos1 1 year ago
@sgiff They actually tell you they have a leftist agenda. Except, they aren't that "left". Cenk used to be a Republican but now is a left of center Democrat.
wildgift2 1 year ago
This guy from the Young Turks argument is basically that the government is not regulating the internet, and that they are only regulating the companies. How can he even make this claim when no one has even seen the rules that the FCC has come up with yet? And even if they are keeping it to just regulating companies do you really think it will stay that way for long. Are you going to eat your words when you are proved wrong and come on here and apologize on youtube for misleading everyone.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
And Corporations win.
You have a big heart, sgiff.
You are right though, there is no point with FCC is caving to ISPs (just the oligarchy ones) demand and Obama sucking their dicks at every chance he gets.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
ISP's are absolutely part of the free market, where did you get your economics degree? I don't think you know what you are talking about, and as far as Comcast i already mentioned that their had been 2 or 3 large cases involving ISPs blocking content. This should be handled through the courts we don't need another agency regulating everything. They will abuse their power and history proves it.
sgiff 1 year ago
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YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
Re: FDA how many former FDA officials are now on the payroll of the Pharma industries, you don't think that is a conflict of interest. How many good herbal remedies have been blocked by the FDA because they are in bed with the mega Pharma companies and don't want alternative medicines. You can be arrested for even making claims that any herbal remedy can cure or even help medical problems. My point is that the FDA and other Gov agencies never stop abusing and growing their power.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
Maybe you should complain about it to the government. Our Canadian gov't is not fucking up with our medicine to the degree in which US is doing.
Its just America that's fucked up.
Sorry about that, but just because you can't fix your own shit doesn't mean ALL the gov't agencies are corrupt.
btw. I actually think U.S. Federal gov't is too powerful to begin with. Maybe you should advocate for greater state autonomy.
YoungSpotUBrock 1 year ago
Either way, if Dems win Net Neutrality is doomed, if Repubs win Net Neutrality is damned, and doomed even sooner.
I wouldn't put it past the Obama administration to put something in this legislation to actually allow the government to step in at some point to "better protect the freedoms of American citizens". I mean after all he is continuing indefinite detention and warrant-less wire tapping.
Arkayem 1 year ago
LOL, he starts to explain what net-neutrality actually is, and she cuts him off. Sad.
djsinatra100 1 year ago
Obviously, you can't trust EITHER party (or their respective networks). You keep trying to make this about LEFT/RIGHT. It's about US, and our freedom. Keeping the Internet OPEN and UNREGULATED is the only issue we should be concerned about.
Geddy008 1 year ago
Really, there have only been 2-3 large cases that have all been dealt with sufficiently by lawsuits and the courts. Leave it there. There is no need to fix what isn't broken.
sgiff 1 year ago
Seriously when in history has a government agency not overstepped its bounds and become an ever encroaching presence on our daily lives and freedoms. Now that we have essentially allowed the FCC to start making rules for the internet, you think that it's going to ever stop, you think that they are not going to be controlled to enact more rules in favor of these big corporations? Listen to the arrogance of chairman Genachowski, History proves otherwise.
sgiff 1 year ago
The media giants, and I mean everyone excdluding (Fox and Premiere Radio network and a few other conservative outlets) are pissed off that the majority of America isn't buying their twisted propaganda any more so they want to control the media and the sources you have access to by sensoring objective news since they have no objectivity themselves. Hence they are using pawns like young Turks to promote their agenda which is clear, don't be fooled.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff the media giants have been opposing net neutrality for years.
wildgift2 1 year ago
@wildgift2
Even if that were true, that is fallacious reasoning.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
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sgiff 1 year ago
I dont think everyone understand that they are just trying to get big corporations who don't care about your YT, or Bittorent, or games to get you to pay more money because you are on a website they don't like, or to make your connection slower to treat the internet as a whole. If we let ATNT and Comcast have its way the internet will not be how ti is today.
lildread1 1 year ago
I love how Fox told the man explaining the actual issue that they care more about lying and viewers.
lildread1 1 year ago
Faux News: If you can't stifle them directly, circumvent their opinions with your own rambling interjections until they have no time left to speak their mind.
TheReapersSon 1 year ago
In typical Faux News fashion, the head anchor continually insists on interrupting the Faux News guests in order to stifle whatever relevant, intelligent point they might possibly have to say. The fact that Faux News is allowed to continue propagating its bullshit, acting in such a rude, immature fashion, is tantamount to the state of mind of not only modern media reporting, but also the one-sided nature of the current iteration of the FCC itself (the organization that allows this to continue).
TheReapersSon 1 year ago
the fact of the matter is that government shouldn't have to step in and do anything, people should be smart enough to realize that their ISP is bottlenecking their internet on certain sites. then after they find out that they are they should find a different ISP. where i live there are 2 ISP's comcast and a small company named visionary communications, we don't have a landline so to put one in comcast wanted to charge $2,000 so we went with the latter because they're cheaper. free market people.
poolio1019 1 year ago
Let the free market regulate the net keep big brother out of it because I promise you you will regret it. You will eat your words one day and history has proven it again and again but apparently you leftists and progressives can't see how every time government gets involved freedoms are lost not gained. You have been played as well as all the other sheep that look blindly towards big government controlling everything.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
It's not the govt. controlling it you idiot. You know how bad this will get if we let the corporations get there way? Well a example of how bad it will turn out is if you look at our economy.
lildread1 1 year ago
@lildread1 your the idiot look at what the government has done now all controlled by corporations, did you forget about the financial bailout we just had and that is ongoing, ever hear of the Fed? Its a corporation not part of our government but our government has been so controlled by these outside entities and paid off that they are alllowed to do anything to us, you think this will change, if we let the FCC enact new rules. Every agency of the government in existence has been bought by corp
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
This isnt about the FCC controlling the internet, its about them making sure that the ISPs give equal amount of bandwith and dont give special amounts of bandwith to sites they like/agree with. If we dont do this then the corporations will effectively ruin the internet.
lildread1 1 year ago
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sgiff 1 year ago
@lildread1 obviously you are still drinking the coolaid and are not bothering to read anything I posted. Of course that is what the propaganda masters are telling you that it is about, however if you look at the rules as they stand now, critics agree from both sides that there are many loopholes and those loopholes will allow the very things that you say this is designed to prevent. But more importantlly it gives the FCC power it to define and control how you use the internet which is bad.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff
i never said i was in support of this bills proposal, so get your head out your ass. i was stating why we need someone to regulate the corporations.
lildread1 1 year ago
Right so basically when the IRS was created it was supposed to be a good thing and when the FDA was created it was supposed to keep America safe seriously you think that this Net Neutrality legislation that was decided upon by 3 democrats who were not even elected which is going to affect commerce of every company and person in America is not going to be twisted and abused by big corporations to their own benefit and turned into the exact thing that you think you are preventing. You are a fool.
sgiff 1 year ago
@sgiff LOL at the idea that the FDA and IRS were bad ideas! You can't have government without some form of revenue, and hence you need an IRS, and I for one THANK GOD for the FDA everytime I'm forced to eat in a country without such regulations and end up puking my guts out.
djsinatra100 1 year ago
@djsinatra100 Where did I ever say that FDA and IRS were a bad idea, obviously a government has to have some kind of taxes to run and FDA is good in principle but they have grown way to powerful and intrusive. Did you know that FDA approved Polio vaccinnes in the 60's with cancer causing monkey virus and spread it to millions of people and you wonder why so many people have cancer today. google sv40foundation and monkey virus
sgiff 1 year ago
They are naming god again and your rights are signed away using languages in this drama.
beancube2010 1 year ago
This is a real war now. They have enough money and govt connections. You, the users, have enough number (but you still need organization). First, what is neutral? Is money neutral? Which country's money is neutral?
beancube2010 1 year ago
How does any ISP know which sites are legal and which aren't?
Who qualifies making such decisions without debates in court?
Which country's laws are neutral? Who represents us?
How is FCC able to see which application, data or sites somewhere beyond our country are legal or illegal? What are the basis?
beancube2010 1 year ago
TYT is propaganda....lol what a joke
dclong60 1 year ago
FCC - Fascism, Censorship, Control
nuggz503 1 year ago
Free Internet died today. RIP Internet.
It was murdered by liberal activists. In few years they will probably say it wasn't their fault or they didn't know. No matter I will never forget nor forgive the people who help kill the last free medium.
saper321 1 year ago
It appears the Young Turks do not realize that the Government is bought and paid for through special interest lobbyists and bribes to the house and Senate legal counsels who write and modify regulation that corporations dictate. The Government has been hijacked by the Banking financial institutions and the Big Corporations. Regulation always turns into regulation of the public. Look who got bailed out, Goldman Sachs and GM. It's all been bought and paid for.
NewAmericaNow 1 year ago
The gov't is regulating the internet to ensure the providers can't regulate their own property? This country is in the situation it is because of a lack of respect for property rights. Every great society decays under a slow loss of property rights. If we as political voters think we have the right to tell what businesses can do with their own products and services (which we do not have to purchase), we're going to pervert business incentives to satisfy the customer.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@selfrealizedexile So should we be making sure company's that provide food such as meat, run clean facilities that process safe and edible products so as to not poison us ? Or is that big government regulation ? Or would the market fix that by giving the consumer the ability to not purchase their product. How did that work out for the consumer in Americas past ?
migraine516 1 year ago
@migraine516
Yes, yes, I know all about Upton Sinclair. Your argument is narrow-sighted and fallacious. Businesses, when they have no guaranteed, coerced income through working with the State, can only court the consumer to stay alive. If certain businesses gain bad reputations, they lose revenue and have a proportionate incentive to change their reputation if it isn't already too late for them. Let's already get this straight, however: the last thing a business is going to want to do is
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@selfrealizedexile No my argument is all encompassing and truthful.
migraine516 1 year ago
@migraine516
poison its own revenue source. The way you should structure your complaint is "what keeps consumers protected from negligent business practices?" Now, your conclusion is "well, of course, gov't is our answer--they will be fair, neutral, and informed." I contend that not only can the unfettered market provide adequate checks on negligence, but would be much more agile and less corruptible because it is completely dependent on consumers for survival, not coercive taxation.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@migraine516
So, not only do businesses have natural incentives to cater to consumer demands, the market can, and has in the past, developed private certification agencies whose entire marketable asset is the brand power of its stamp of approval on products and companies. You see this today in the economy through middlemen in the form of retailers(between consumers and suppliers)who have incentives to offer quality products it stands behind and whose consumers can rely on the retailer's brand.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@migraine516
These middlemen will inevitably be better technically informed on the relevant industry and more closely listening to current consumer demands with a strong incentive to predict future consumer demands. Bureaucrats inevitably get bought off by those they were supposed to be regulating. What's more, even if they are well-intended people, they necessarily fall behind the daily advances made in the market.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@selfrealizedexile God damn son, you certainly are drinking the cool aid. How long did it take you to type that ? Especially with spiffy phrases like "I contend". I'm impressed. Anyways, your glenn beck inspired argument still sucks. It's very simple. Business will always do whatever gives them more profit. Always. Anyway, if you can't see how being allowed to throttle back a competitors service on the net is dangerous, then you're pretty much a total moron.
migraine516 1 year ago
@migraine516
Nah, I don't watch Glenn Beck that much. He's still very much behind the curve. My economics education greatly surpases both his and yours. What's more, your argument essentially reduces to "I'm right and, if you don't think so, you're a total moron!" Gratz, that argument has never appeared on YT before; way to rise above the fray by having an adult conversation. If you want to keep your head in the sand, you're only hurting yourself, heralding a less free and prosperous future.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@selfrealizedexile I'm sorry, but did you actually read what I wrote?
migraine516 1 year ago
@migraine516
Yes, I read how you misspelled kool-aid and think pursuing profit hurts consumers. The only way a business can profit in a negative way is if property rights aren't being enforced. Otherwise, if they can't externalize their costs onto taxpayers, they can only attempt to increase consumer demand--revenue--and minimize cost--conserve scarce resources. Neither is damaging to society; indeed, it is beneficial. Producers are the only reason society still exists.
selfrealizedexile 1 year ago
@selfrealizedexile Oh. I see. You've convinced me. No really.
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