Im from England and we used to have a channel called the wrestling channel but its not on anymore and we used to be able to see alot of Wrestling like ROH, CZW, NJPW and other promotions but now i miss all this stuff does anyone know where i can follow ROH regulary?
Then what the hell is that WWE logo doing at the bottom left corner of the screen? Honestly, do you even watch WWE? On second thought, don't answer that.
Because he beats him on all counts!! Get that through your stupid head and Bryan was already on national TV before that or have you forgotten NXT? Last time, you have NO argument because you just ask the same questions in a loop.
Rock debuted on WWE TV at Survivor Series and won the traditional Survivor Series match. 3 months later, he won the Intercontinental Championship from Triple H. Once again, you have no strong argument against Bryan.
Underdeveloped? That's a new one on me. From what I've seen, Danielson looks to have adapted pretty well to WWE's type of wrestling and has been able to showcase to us what he's all about. A technical and submission specialist. What is Morrison? A spot wrestler who can't even cut a decent promo. And you're up here bitching about why Vince finds Bryan capable of holding a prestigious belt?
OK, goof. Let me just let you in on a little secret. The matches are CHOREOGRAPHED. That means that the guys would be in the back before the match, laying out the sequence of the match, what moves to use and how the finish is going to take place. You're confusing it with REAL wrestling. In that case, go watch NCAA.
Pushed down our throats? LOL this just keeps getting better and better. For one, Danielson gets the same amount of TV time as Santino but even given that, at every RAW show, the match that seems to stick out for everyone is Bryan's.
Again, you're wrong. In professional wrestling, a good wrestler does equate to being a good worker. Inside the ring, you have to have the aptitude of making your opponent look good all the while taking care of him, crowd psychology and consolidate that into a good match for the paying crowd.
btw, Mick Foley was in the business longer than The Rock, but did he get pushed better than Rock just because of the amount of time he had spent in the WWE? No! But that investment paid off dividends, didn't it?
@igloogenius I agree with both u and Sweeper. Daniel Bryan could've waited a little longer. But remember, Morrison did win the Tag Team Title with Mercury in their first Tag Team match against Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero. Yes, Morrison has been in the WWE for quite awhile, but it was his first official match and he won the title in his first match, just like Carlito. I don't hate Morrison at all, hell I was happy when he got the title shot. Just want to point out that fact.
Danielson 2003 was better than Morrison 2010. Plus, it's not like Bryan sat on his ass after his very brief stint with the WWE. The guy worked companies the world over, a majority of them without medical care. Had outstanding matches with highly skilled talents from Japan, Mexico, Puerto Rico, UK and others. Your argument about putting a belt on too soon would be better validated if Heath Slater was in the fray.
I'm not saying you should change your opinions to please anybody. I"m saying if somebody disagrees with you you might wanna rethink your position because you could be wrong.
Why shouldn't Morrison be demoted to the US title? In fact, why would you call it a demotion to the US title? You make it sound like he already achieved main event status at that point. WTF? Do you believe he was too big for the US title or something?
and so is the credibility of the championship and you can't have crediblity if a newbie like Daniel Bryan gets championships handed to him without having to work for them. Your problem is you're too quick to put a championship on him because you're too stupid and reckless in your thinking.
"Newbie" like Daniel Bryan? LOL no son, it's you that has no credibility. By the way, have you checked the WWE website for any possible career prospects? I'm sure the writers over there can use someone with an infinite booking experience such as yourself.
Since the writers are nothing but unintelligent hacks that have no idea how or why to push a wrestler I'm sure that's the only type of people WWE would ever hire on their staff so maybe YOU should look into it because with all the dumb ideas you've been coming up with you would be a perfect fit for them.
BTW I ain't your son and it's YOU that has no credibility because igloogenius just took your Daniel Bryan-loving suck up ass to school. That's why he has the word 'genius' in his name and you don't.
@sweeperistheboss Dude how stupid are you. You go on and on about Championship credibility when we're talking about a fucking WWE Midcard Belt. The last time a Midcard Belt had ANY credibility in WWE was back in 97/98 when Owen Hart, Steve Austin and the Rock were the champs. Today in WWE and Mainstream Wrestling in General crowd overness = credibility. And you're talking as if Bryan were the first to capture a title that quickly. Ever heard of Kurt Angle? Brock Lesnar? The Rock? Diesel?
@sweeperistheboss And just because WWE doesn't acknowledge other companies (unless they buy them) doesn't mean that the work someone has done outside of WWE isn't relevant to some fans (in this case seemingly a lot of them). And in this day and age of the internet, it's pretty narrow minded to not acknowledge the work of someone just because he was overlooked for 5 years.
@Wurzelknecht Why should WWE care about what someone did in another company?
Thats another company. If they cared about what someone did in another company guys like Rey and Eddie would have been stuck in cruiserweight for eternity rather than main eventers
@Sneezlebob Actually Rey and Eddie were some of the few guys were WWE DID recognize what they did in other companies. From the beginning the Radicalz were pushed as the mistreated talents from WCW and Rey actually WAS stuck in the cruiserweight division until it was disbanded. And they should care, because it's an insult to the work someone has done. If the rumors had been true and they'd brought Sting to fight Taker, what sense would that have made if they wouldn't recognize what he did in WCW?
@Sneezlebob You're beginning to contradict yourself here. On one side you say "Why should WWE care about what someone did in another company" and then you say "Sting is one of the biggest stars in Wrestling of course they'd acknowledge what he did". How so? If you say they shouldn't care, why should they care what some guy who never ever worked for them or was mentioned on their program did in WCW?
@Sneezlebob And as I said: Eddie and Rey were stars when they entered WWE and were treated as such. Their standing in WCW had nothing to do whith that but their overness with the crowd because of their abilities.
@Sneezlebob I don't know what you watched in 2000 but I saw 4 guys who never worked for WWE portrayed as "people you should know or heard of" and immediately got big feuds and titles. Only Eddies arm injury held him back for a while.
And Rey was pushed as one of the most exciting babyfaces of WWE when he debuted in 2002 (whith his mask). And that although he was only pushed in the cruiserweight division. So yeah they were stars because people loved them for their work in WCW and ECW
@Wurzelknecht Why are you talking about their careers when they got to WWE. We're talking about their careers in WCW.
Eddie took a few years to go over because of the horridness of the Radicalz. Rey was immediately over because of his high flying and having his mask back.
They weren't stars from WCW, WWE turned them into stars
@Sneezlebob No we're talking about their careers in WWE because the conversation was about WWE acknowledging what people did in other companies before they came to them. And for Eddie and Rey, they didn't start as total Nobodies, they started as guys the audience knew because of great work (work not standing) in Japan, ECW and WCW and WWE acknowledged that fact. That's my point. Sure they became bigger stars in WWE than they were anywhere else, but they were known stars already.
@Wurzelknecht Why should WWE care if Daniel Bryan or Punk held a title in ROH? ROH isn't a huge company with name recognition. It'd make no sense to talk about it
@Sneezlebob That's why I said I'm glad they at least admit that they've been around for a while and did great on the indies. You're right as much as I love ROH it isn't big enough to be mentioned on WWE Programming (except that Matt Hardy did so in 2005) but at least WWE doesn't portray them as absolute Rookies to wrestling, whose career started in WWE. They don't say were they come from but they acknowledge their hard work
@Sneezlebob Or as I said what about Flair? When Flair came in in 92 he even brought the WCW Belt with him. Also, every other Wrestling Company in the world recocnizes that there are other companies. It's called respect. That's why I'm happy that they are at least admitting that Daniel Bryan has been in Wrestling for a long time, even if no company names were mentioned.
@sweeperistheboss It's like having Toshiaki Kawada or the Great Muta in WWE and saying: Well it's their first match in WWE so they are noobs and should lose against a guy who did half of what they acomplished in this sport. And speaking of guys from other companies. What about Goldberg when he came to WWE? What about Ric Flair when he came in 92? Should those guys have been held back too because they were new to WWE? I'm not saying here that Bryan is Flair, god no, but it's a similar situation.
It's not a similar situation cuz Flair and Goldberg were not given championships right away. Daniel Bryan was given the US title fresh ouf of his run on NXT. you don't push anybody that quickly cuz there's no crediblity in a quick push.
@sweeperistheboss Flair got the title shortly after coming to WWE. If you don't recognize Bryans career outside of WWE than you shouldn't recognize Flair's career outside of WWE also if you do a comparison. Same with Goldberg. Came to WWE in april, beat The Rock the same month, got the title in november. If you were a WWE only fan you'd have thought "who is this guy that they give him a title shot?" But almost noone in this day and age is a pure WWEfan anymore, that's why they had credibility.
Sorry I'm not buying it. First off, I don't care about Bryan's career outside of WWE. If he's to have crediblity as a WWE champion then he has to pay his dues in WWE not outside.
Second regardless of how fast Ric Flair may have won the WWF championship and how fast Goldberg may have won the WHC they were transitioning from one major league company to another so it's forgivable. Daniel Bryan got his US title just barely after his run on NXT so his transition was from bush league to developmental to major league. Not the same thing.
@sweeperistheboss but you talked about credibility. So Flair and Goldberg had credibility because they came from WCW and were huge starst there. Again, then what is the problem with Bryan? The people like him because most of them know him from his indie days, most notably ROH which as of now has reached a similar status as ECW did during the 90s as the Nr.3 in the USA. Don't you realise that it's just you who thinks he has no credibility because you didn't watch him before WWE?
Are you saying everybody is supposed to have him watched him before WWE? Are you saying that if people don't watch RoH or all that indie crap then they're out of the loop as wrestling fans? Tell me something. What gives you the right to make RoH the center of all things wrestling?
@sweeperistheboss ah didn't know this conversation was still on ^^ saw you a while ago on another ROH video STILL bitching about Danielson winning the US Title. That won't ever stop haunting your sad little life will it ;)
@sweeperistheboss No I'm not saying everybody should've watched him. But fact is that a lot of people DID and a lot of people who didn't were still impressed with him. And btw did you ever watch ROH/indie or Puroresu? If not then by calling them crap without even watching just proves my point of you just being a biased idiot who's just angry that someone he doesn't like gets a little push. I'm not trying to be an ROHfanboy here but I'd say you should at least know what they're talking about.
@sweeperistheboss No I think he deserved it because he was over with the crowd and his feud with Miz was pretty well build up. But most of all: Miz had to lose the title in order to move on to bigger things. That's how it's always been: A guy destined for Main Event status has to drop the midcard belt to a young up and comer or someone who just got over with the crowd. The guy who wins isn't the relevant point but the guy who moves on. You're failure to understand this makes me sad ^^
@sweeperistheboss So does your attempt to elevate this title win into more than it was. Or your attempt to discredid Danielson and his fans, just because you don't like him. Face it kid: You're just a hater who is pissed because someone you don't know or like won a match. But you have to face the reality: That will always happen no matter which company you watch. So I advice you to stop watching wrestling altogether or your blood pressure might be in danger in a few years ;)
I ain't attempting to elevate nothing. You're the one trying to validate Danielson's BS US title win when you should've just called it a bullsh*t decision like all fast pushes are. But no because you're a jockstrapholder for your precious Danielson you always have to come up with some bullsh*t argument to excuse his fast push don't you? It's real simple you favor Danielson so your arguments don't mean sh*t.
@sweeperistheboss Dude. Have you ever heard of people having a different opinion than you? You actually want to tell me what I should call Bullshit (yeah I'm not a sissy who has to put a * in it) and what not? YOU are the biased asshole who still goes on about this shit because you don't like Danielson. I don't like a lot of wrestlers but do I go around and TELL people not to like them either? That is the most pathetic and insecure thing I've ever seen.
@sweeperistheboss And AGAIN!: There were numerous fast pushes in WWE history that worked well. But a wrestling noob like you wouldn't know that of course. Kurt Angle was pushed to the IC AND European Title just 2-3 month after his debut. His first WWE Title (with a victory over the Rock nonetheless) came just a few month later. It worked because he was over, despite this being his first year as a pro wrestler.
@sweeperistheboss "Your attempt to validate a noob getting a quickie push makes you pathetic and stupid" lmao you dont know much about bryan danielson do you? a noob? lmfao danielson knows more about wrestling then most of the wrestlers in WWE right now the fact that the miz (i like him by the way) was his "mentor" sort of speak in NXT is hilarious...dude danielson is NOT a noob you must only know him when he joined WWE or something LMFAO.
@sweeperistheboss sure it's a different thing if one has been WCW World Champ or "just" ROH World champ, but first Bryan only got the US Title and not a major World Title in WWE so I'd say the balance is there, and second it all comes down if enough people know him. And it seems that enough people DID know Bryan when he came to WWE. Just because you don't know him doesn't erase that fact. As I said, it's the same if I had never known Flair. Just because I don't know him doesn't change his rep
You act as if the whole world knew about Daniel Brian before WWE. That's like saying the whole world watches RoH and FCW. Are u really that arrogant and ignorant to make such an assumption? Where do you get off putting no-namers from bush league companies over seasoned wrestlers in WWE?
@sweeperistheboss Oh I'm just saying (over and over again because you just have to listen to the pops he gets to know it's true) that a lot of people DID know about him before WWE. That's something that you just can't get into your thick skull. Also he wrestled for Pro Wrestling NOAH. You call NOAH bush league? ^^
Also you're willing to call guys like the nexus "seasoned" just because the work for WWE? You my friend are overgeneralizing a bit much.
Without crediblity his title run quickly weakens and he becomes open to getting squashed by no-talents like lameus. And look I was right. Bryan lost the US title to Lameus and then Lameus lost it to Kofi Kingston shortly thereafter. you see? None of that would've happened if Bryan hadn't been hotshotted to the US title. If you ask me he got exactly what he deserved for taking a championship he didn't earn.
@sweeperistheboss and the us title doesn't have any credibility. that's why it changes so often. Bryan and Sheamus are just two examples in the long running decline of this once prestigous title. Kingston won't be different.
If Evan Bourne is a lost cause which is your opnion then should've just kept the title on the Miz and just continue his feud with Daniel Bryan and maybe even include John Morrison fighting for the US title and maybe even winning the US title but either way Daniel Bryan is out. He is a noob and he can't be US champion until he's paid his dues and that's final.
@sweeperistheboss AHAHA Daniel pay his dues? You WWE faggots are hilarious. Daniel Bryan should be World Champion right now. He's wrestled in the indies forever and has "paid his dues" far more than that faggot The Miz.
And yes I would believe Evan Bourne as a valid US champion at the time because he has more credibility as a RAW midcarder than Daniel Bryan because Bryan is still a beginner on RAW. And no Bourne wouldn't have to win it without a feud. There can still be build up and have both guys feuding with Miz for the US title as long as Bryan isn't the one that wins it right away. you gotta think about these things man. It's not important to give the title to a new hire. It never is.
How can it not make sense? Bourne earned it didn't he? Are you gonna tell me it's better to give it to the guy winning a popularity contest rather than to the guy who earned the championship?
NXT is not one of the big brands like RAW or Smackdown. NXT is little league. you can't treat it as a big league brand so you can't consider NXT as time with big league WWE. You have to be on RAW or Smackdown before you get a RAW or Smackdown championship. It's common sense. You should have already gotten that by now.
you're looking for reasons to justify his quick push to the US title. you can't have credibility if one is given instant champion status. it does not work that way. Let him put his time in and then decide if he's championship worthy or not.
Everything has to fall in line. Being over is fine, having skill is fine but without crediblity there's no reason to give the belt to Daniel Bryan so he was overpushed. Tell the someone that convinced you that I said he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Miz needed to lose it whoever earned that belt. you can't give it to a noob not that quickly. The crediblity of that belt has to be preserved. You can't give it to a noob out of convenience nor can you give it because the title holder has has had it too long.
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And as I said before, it's not necessary to lose a match to put lesser talent over. Stop listening to how internet wrestlng fan degenerates define "putting over" and look to the Austin-Hart matches at WM 13 and Survivor Series 96 to see the proper way to put a lesser opponent over. Today's wrestling fan has corrupted that term so blatantly it's no wonder there are fans that are willing to accept poorly built champions like Lesnar, Lameus, and daniel bryan.
All the reason why he shouldn't be losing championships in BS fashion to an idiot who's already had a BS title reign. and it's also the reason why he shouldn't be losing matches to NXT guys. Jericho is at the very top. NXT guys are at the very bottom so it makes no sense to have him lose to any of them. It's not realistic.
You say Jericho is idle. Well what do you expect? They misused him as WHC champion thanks to that speech-impaired Kurt Angle wannabe Jack Faggot and having him lose to a thumbsucking degenerate from NXT (Which stands for No-talent Xtreme Trash) didn't help matters either. WWE has failed Jericho in so many ways. At first i was happy to see him come back in 2007 now I'm sorry because the first Undisputed WWE champion should never have been treated that way to begin with.
That may be true but I'm not gonna write somebody a free pass to any of WWE's championships just because they turned heads in ROH. That's arrogant and short-sighted thinking that's typical of the Internet wrestling fan.
@sweeperistheboss God your depressingly bitter! I made that comment because, ROH gives me and most wrestling fans that special feeling of satisfaction, when you think you could tell other people what your watching and not be embarrassed about it (like everyone is especially with WWE, and even TNA at this point) It takes itself seriously, and produces some of the best nail biting, badass matches I've ever seen. Now... if you don't like even that, whats "good" to you then sweeps?
you're damn right I'm bitter! DAMN right! why? you said it yourself. WWE has driven away and pissed off a lot of fans and I'm not embarrassed to say WWE has pissed me off more than any other fan on this site.
So excuse me if I have such a strong resentment towards ROH. But anytime WWE chooses to make an instant champion out of a nobody like Daniel Bryan or Lameus I get a handful of misguided idiots telling me that they deserve to be made champions right away just because they impressed people in ROH and the indie circuit. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT IT SAYS ON YOUR RESUME! When you start out as a WWE wrestler, you pay your DAMN dues!
"you called "Daniel Bryan" a nobody on a ROH video."
yes I did. Would you like me to repeat it for you so that it reaches your brain or did it already make it there due to your head being so far up your ass?
@sweeperistheboss When has any ROH star other then Punk or Bryan ever gotten a real title shot? What about Jamie Noble, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, or Low Ki who were used as jobbers to bigger and more untalented guys? Seamus was never in ROH by the way. And Takeshi Morishima, one of Japans biggest stars and both ROH World and GHC Heavyweight Champion, didn't even get a contract because he didn't look the part.
@Wurzelknecht London and Kendrick jobbers? They're one of the longest reigning tag teams in history. Hell Brian Kendrick even won the world title in a scramble match.
@Sneezlebob Yes and how were they treated? When they wanted to discuss their careers with Vince he more or less told them that the Tag Belts don't mean a damn thing. And let's face it. The TagTeam Division in WWE is dead because Vince wants it dead. The Tag Belts solely exist for Story purposes and to give Main Eventers without belts something to wear around their waist. But granted, since both London and Kendrick are known as potheads AND they were small they never had a chance.
@sweeperistheboss and don't talk about paying your dues in WWE. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Miz got handed a WWE Title for being the winner of a reality casting show. Seamus won his title the first month or so in the company. Or what about McIntyre and Ziggler who are shoved down our throats because someone in the higher ups likes how they look? What about Carlito a few years back who got the US Title in his FIRST Match?
@Sneezlebob Ok I take back what I said about the Miz (he eventually had to work his way up). But I got a little worked up there. The story about Richards is ridiculous, though. In 2006 Richards was still very green and Danielson was supposed to last until Final Battle the whole time for Homicide to take the belt. I'd really like to know your source for this story because it sounds pretty unlikely. especially since the roster was crowded with established Main Eventers back then.
@sweeperistheboss Those ROH guys have spent 10+ years on the us indies, in Europe, in Japan, in Mexico...all over the world, learing everything about the business, learning different wrestling styles, different ways to build matches, and they didn't get paid half as much as some of the WWE guys I mentioned for putting their bodies on the line. THAT's what I call paying your DAMN DUES! So stop your whining because the only ROH guys ever pushed in WWE were Punk and Bryan because of SKILL!
@Sneezlebob Where did I say that? That's a pretty huge overgeneralisation you read into my comment there. But you have to admit, that there haven been tons of untalented guys shoved down our throats for the last couple years, who got spots in the company with half the effort of some indy guys just because of their looks. Just because Vince has a fetish for big muscular men or guys you can push as monsters. While smaller (much better) guys and TagTeams are wasted.
@Sneezlebob Mostly yes. Either big and monster-like or muscled or at least looking like fitness models. In the past Vince has even ordered his talent scouts to look for guys who look like that rather than talent. What do you think why people like Chris Masters or Kozlov still have a job? Or guys like Khali or Batista were champs? Even Cena and Orton owe much to their looks. Vince never really got away from his idea of how the ideal wrestler should look like Hulk Hogan. That sorta greek god look
@Sneezlebob No it didn't. Because it is not true. It's only what WWE wants us to believe. If you look around the wrestling world, 90% are average build guys like Ric Flair or Steve Austin. Not too big, not too small and not too overly muscled. Only in WWE we get people presented as "wrestlers" who look more like roided up Bodybuilders. But the only two guys with overly Bodybuilder-like muscles that actually could wrestle in WWE in the last few years were Triple H and Brock Lesnar.
@Wurzelknecht Austin was pretty muscular back in the day. Also go look at the heavyweight division of any Japanese wrestling promotion. You'll see what roided up truly means.
@Sneezlebob Austin was never that muscular. He had a very natural look. He didn't even have a very visible sixpack. And the heavyweights in Japan are big for Japanese standarts but they don't look like early Chris masters or Scott Steiner. And the thing with them is: They maybe big, but they can WRESTLE! And that's what's important. WWE sometimes seems to purposely shun guys with talent and employ guys without it.
@Wurzelknecht In your opinion that employ guys without talent. I never understood why every wrestling fan seems to think their opinion on someone's wrestling skills is a proven fact.
ALso back when he was Stunning Steve Austin he was muscular (before all the beers). Also you don't think Kenta Kobashi has done roids in his time?
@Sneezlebob in MY opinion? C'mon tell me that Snitsky, Heidenreich, Mark Henry, Khali, Kozlov or Chris Masters had ANY wrestling talent that they showcased on WWE. Or that Batista who is a multiple champion is as good in the ring as other guys who held the title in the past 10 years. And please keep a straight face while doing it.
And yeah maybe Kobashi took roids. But that doesn't change the fact that he still wrestled on a very high level no matter how big he got. That's the important part.
@Wurzelknecht Snitsky, Heidereich, Kozlov, Henry, and Masters were never world champs. Hell Snitsky and Heidenreich weren't even main eventers. Batista has had plenty of great matches and is a decent worker btw just because he's big doesn't mean he's a shit worker.
So you're condoning Kobashi taking roids? What kind of sick bastard condones steroid abuse?
@Sneezlebob I never condoned anything. Good GOD. Are you so thick or desperate that you have to turn people's words around to fit your argument? You said "don't you think Kobashi has done roids" as a counter argument to my claim that WWE focuses on guys with extremely overdeveloped muscles. So I admitted that "Yes maybe he did". I never condoned it I just admitted the possiblility. My following statement about him being Great in the ring had nothing to do with that.
@Sneezlebob And if I had denied the possibilty that Kobashi took roids, I'm sure you would've just called me a blind fanboy or something like that. God you defend a company that forced people to take roids for years so they even get recognized (let's face it that's basically the last resort many guys took because they thought without it they couldn't get a job at WWE. Same with the Divas who one after another got Breast implants) and then you accuse ME to condone roid abuse? Fuck you man
@Sneezlebob I didn't mean that they forced them in that way. But Vince never made a secret out of him liking a specific type of wrestler and that he mostly ignored people with average build. So for many people that meant getting bigger in order to get recognized. Which ultimately leads to some guys taking the short cut. Sure WWE now has wellness policy now after someone had to DIE for it, but it's unfair that they still are that biased against smaller or average guys.
@Wurzelknecht Biased against smaller guys? Pretty sure I already proved you wrong on this.
Also I can just as easily say ROH loves to promote these psuedo Japanese strong style wrestlers (like Davey Richards who's probably the most overrated wrestler in the past 5 years in my opinion).
@Sneezlebob No you haven't proven anything. More so since Vince has been cited numerous times by many different sources that he doesn't give a crap about cruiserweights, and wants tall muscular men. And I don't know what's pseudo Japanese strong style when all the guys who use this style learned it in Japan and frequently work in Japan. But yes, you could say that, because in recent years this style has become popular with young wrestlers, so there's nothing wrong with it to promote it.
@Wurzelknecht Vince doesn't care about Cruiserweights? Which is why he pushed WCW cruiserweights to the main event right? You know, when a company called WCW considered them jobbers.
Also you're the one that insulted me first, so don't call the kettle black pot.
@Sneezlebob And Batista sucked. The only good matches he had were when Taker and Triple H busted their asses to drag him to a decent match. And the other guys I mentioned weren't champions, but they were shoved down our throuts nonetheless in a desparate attempt to turn them into stars because Vince liked how they looked. And yes being big doesn't mean you're a shit worker. Many guys have proven that already, but sadly almost (not entirely but almost) none of them in WWE.
@Sneezlebob And he doesn't in YOUR OPINION. So just let me be and quit it already. This is getting nowhere and you're just starting to insult me. If you're happy with the way WWE matches go and how they pick their wrestlers, by all means enjoy it. I for one enjoy Pro Wrestling over Sports Entertainment and just check on Mainstream wrestling to see how guys are doing that I enjoyed watching.
@Sneezlebob Calling me a sick bastartd and accusing me of condoning steroid abuse is an insult no matter how you look at it. I love a healthy discussion or else I wouldn't spend so much time posting answers. But you just seem to be here to make trouble and pick fights. If you're fine with how sports entertainment runs it's matches and it's wrestlers then enjoy it. I for one feel let down by it after watching WWE for over 20years so I found puro and ROH to enjoy instead. Have a nice day.
@Sneezlebob When you look at the best wrestlers in history, you almost never have a giant bodybuilder guy in there, except for maybe Kobashi. But Flair, Hart, HBK, Angle, Steamboat, Misawa, Kawada, Tsuruta, Benoit, Muta or Austin, or even todays really good wrestlers like Joe, Punk, Styles, Danielson, Marufuji or KENTA are mostly small or average in size and although muscular do not look like let's say Batista.
@Sneezlebob I'm not saying that there were never smaller guys getting a push but they are few and they had to fight for it harder than anyone else. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels stood out because they were better Wrestlers then any of their fellow WWF guys in their time. But it took much convincing to give them the belt. Eddie and Benoit always felt like Vince was throwing us fans a bone. Especially when you look at how forgettable their Title reigns were. And Rey was just buried.
@Sneezlebob Yes they were pretty forgettable which is sad. Both were one time only champs in a time when people won the title at least three times within a single year. Eddie lost the title after merely two succesful title defenses (one of which he was DQed). And Benoit was never really center of attention during his reign because the main focus was on Triple H, Evolution and HBK. And after Benoit lost the title to Orton at Summerslam he was put back in the midcard.
@Sneezlebob It just felt like Eddie and Benoit were only given the title to say: "Here you wrestling geeks. You're two heroes had the belts at least once now. Satisfied?"
paying your dues means you don't take shortcuts to championships. You put in your time first and gain experience as a Smackdown or RAW wrestler and then you worry about winning championships cuz that's the process of making champions.
@sweeperistheboss How is Daniel Bryan poorly built? He was the most over guy on NXT season one, and i bet you didn't know that as Bryan Danielson he had alot of dark matches in WWE.
but as a wrestler on RAW he did nothing to deserve a push to the US title. So yes he was poorly buit. Dark matches don't count and neither does his time on NXT. you don't start paying dues as a RAW wrestler until you're on the RAW roster.
@sweeperistheboss dude i was joking but now daniel bryan is so over with crowd now it's amazing i never thought another ring of honor star would get that kind of response. WWE is pushing someone who they didn't make, that's amazing.
Well I'm not joking. Daniel Bryan didn't pay dues as a RAW wrestler so he does not deserve a push to the US title. Crediblity must be maintained when a championship is won and if it's won too quickly then that crediblity is shot. i don't care about his overness with the crowd. until he pays his dues he has no crediblity as US champion. ROH and its fans be damned.
@sweeperistheboss Well the push is over cause he is the U.S. champion and now he's been on the RAW roster for three months now plus The Miz/ Daniel Bryan fued was the best thing to watch on NXT and Bryan was asked to go to the main roster BUT he wanted to go to FCW and develop himself.
Then he should've gone to FCW and developed himself and not take the US championship because he didn't work for it. And FYI, Daniel Bryan is not the US champion. He may have the belt but without the credibility to back him up that's all it is, a belt not a championship.
Anybody that does not wanna honor that process and anybody that looks to get everything handed to him on a silver platter should pack his bags and look for another career because he does not deserve to have a championship nor does he deserve to be in the wrestling business! To borrow a quote from an old WWE ad, anybody that doesn't wanna pay their dues in WWE should GET THE F OUT of the wrestling business!
@sweeperistheboss 2 possibilities, either... Your being facetious, or you are mentally friggn' handicapped dude... Thats probly the stupidest comment I've seen In a while.
cm punk was blond
MrZombiehunter123 1 month ago
CM Punk > Homicide
LMLawrencePunk 1 month ago
i wish punk would wear this ring gear again, his new stuff is gay
ModernWarhead94 3 months ago
do they count over 3 in roh
suparama119 5 months ago
That piledriver looked nasty. I wonder if Punk's twitching was kayfabe or not.
DillonKeene 5 months ago
Press 6 for CM Punk original technique. Pepsi Twist.
MrNauran 6 months ago
CM Punk WWE Champion, Homicide Trash...
Donkey0Madness 6 months ago
@Donkey0Madness have you acutally seen homicide at his best seriosuly pfft watch some of his videos then you wont say his trash
INeedYou91 3 months ago
CM Punk's a clean Wrestler but Homicide NO!
MATTIASMERCENARIES 6 months ago 2
I don't like Homicide,In My Opinion he only know cheat.
MATTIASMERCENARIES 6 months ago
homocide and punk were the beasts every svr game i create a homocide character and pwn lol. just saying im a big fan.
benjy619 6 months ago
@igloogenius And look at him now. How right you were...
Blueforce707 6 months ago
Im from England and we used to have a channel called the wrestling channel but its not on anymore and we used to be able to see alot of Wrestling like ROH, CZW, NJPW and other promotions but now i miss all this stuff does anyone know where i can follow ROH regulary?
steharrislufc 7 months ago
@steharrislufc Hey I remember watchin that channel when i came to uk. U can watch ROH on a sports channel after September
Tanley25 6 months ago
how can I watch ROH? Does it come on tv or something?
Weezing336 7 months ago
Pepsi Twist.. Beautiful.
paynexkillerAOTF 8 months ago 17
3:17 that was a SICK piledriver there. shit. lucky Punk didn't break his neck!
Sado22 9 months ago
Wait ROH sell or used to sell WWE and TNA DVDs????? That is like ninetindo selling PS3 consoles on their website!
CactusJack1834 1 year ago
He is the true cm punk
2010raruto 1 year ago
Pepsi plunge? WTF!!??!!
KCfriedchicken 1 year ago
@igloogenius I would agree with Bryan needing to be in the midcard scene for now, but I think it's about time that Morrison has a big push.
lylee028 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Then what the hell is that WWE logo doing at the bottom left corner of the screen? Honestly, do you even watch WWE? On second thought, don't answer that.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
BTW, Bryan's not even in the main event fray, you moron. Morrison is.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Because he beats him on all counts!! Get that through your stupid head and Bryan was already on national TV before that or have you forgotten NXT? Last time, you have NO argument because you just ask the same questions in a loop.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Rock debuted on WWE TV at Survivor Series and won the traditional Survivor Series match. 3 months later, he won the Intercontinental Championship from Triple H. Once again, you have no strong argument against Bryan.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Underdeveloped? That's a new one on me. From what I've seen, Danielson looks to have adapted pretty well to WWE's type of wrestling and has been able to showcase to us what he's all about. A technical and submission specialist. What is Morrison? A spot wrestler who can't even cut a decent promo. And you're up here bitching about why Vince finds Bryan capable of holding a prestigious belt?
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
OK, goof. Let me just let you in on a little secret. The matches are CHOREOGRAPHED. That means that the guys would be in the back before the match, laying out the sequence of the match, what moves to use and how the finish is going to take place. You're confusing it with REAL wrestling. In that case, go watch NCAA.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
"Just because a new guy comes in and is good, doesn't mean he should be pushed down our throats just for being better., "
"Yes but Mick Foley wasn't near as charismatic and his wrestling skills and working abilities were mediocre."
You really need to stop contradicting yourself.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Pushed down our throats? LOL this just keeps getting better and better. For one, Danielson gets the same amount of TV time as Santino but even given that, at every RAW show, the match that seems to stick out for everyone is Bryan's.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Again, you're wrong. In professional wrestling, a good wrestler does equate to being a good worker. Inside the ring, you have to have the aptitude of making your opponent look good all the while taking care of him, crowd psychology and consolidate that into a good match for the paying crowd.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
btw, Mick Foley was in the business longer than The Rock, but did he get pushed better than Rock just because of the amount of time he had spent in the WWE? No! But that investment paid off dividends, didn't it?
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
haha, what did you just say again? Danielson is a better wrestler but Morrison's the better worker? Just defeated your own argument right there.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius I agree with both u and Sweeper. Daniel Bryan could've waited a little longer. But remember, Morrison did win the Tag Team Title with Mercury in their first Tag Team match against Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero. Yes, Morrison has been in the WWE for quite awhile, but it was his first official match and he won the title in his first match, just like Carlito. I don't hate Morrison at all, hell I was happy when he got the title shot. Just want to point out that fact.
RateDTD 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Are you saying Morrison was already looking main event at the time?
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Danielson 2003 was better than Morrison 2010. Plus, it's not like Bryan sat on his ass after his very brief stint with the WWE. The guy worked companies the world over, a majority of them without medical care. Had outstanding matches with highly skilled talents from Japan, Mexico, Puerto Rico, UK and others. Your argument about putting a belt on too soon would be better validated if Heath Slater was in the fray.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@igloogenius
That's debatable but what isn't debatable is the fact that there were better people to push in 2002 besides Lesnar.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@DonaldPierce
yeah and if your head wasn't so far up Daniel Bryan's ass you wouldn't be so quick to put a championship on him bigmouth.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
I'm not saying you should change your opinions to please anybody. I"m saying if somebody disagrees with you you might wanna rethink your position because you could be wrong.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Why shouldn't Morrison be demoted to the US title? In fact, why would you call it a demotion to the US title? You make it sound like he already achieved main event status at that point. WTF? Do you believe he was too big for the US title or something?
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@DonaldPierce
and so is the credibility of the championship and you can't have crediblity if a newbie like Daniel Bryan gets championships handed to him without having to work for them. Your problem is you're too quick to put a championship on him because you're too stupid and reckless in your thinking.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss
"Newbie" like Daniel Bryan? LOL no son, it's you that has no credibility. By the way, have you checked the WWE website for any possible career prospects? I'm sure the writers over there can use someone with an infinite booking experience such as yourself.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@toodumbforyou
Since the writers are nothing but unintelligent hacks that have no idea how or why to push a wrestler I'm sure that's the only type of people WWE would ever hire on their staff so maybe YOU should look into it because with all the dumb ideas you've been coming up with you would be a perfect fit for them.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
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@sweeperistheboss
That's your comeback? Kid, I'll say it one more time. You have no credibility. Just a bitch who thinks he knows the business but don't know SHIT.
toophatpoyo 1 year ago
@toodumbforyou
BTW I ain't your son and it's YOU that has no credibility because igloogenius just took your Daniel Bryan-loving suck up ass to school. That's why he has the word 'genius' in his name and you don't.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss Dude how stupid are you. You go on and on about Championship credibility when we're talking about a fucking WWE Midcard Belt. The last time a Midcard Belt had ANY credibility in WWE was back in 97/98 when Owen Hart, Steve Austin and the Rock were the champs. Today in WWE and Mainstream Wrestling in General crowd overness = credibility. And you're talking as if Bryan were the first to capture a title that quickly. Ever heard of Kurt Angle? Brock Lesnar? The Rock? Diesel?
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@sweeperistheboss And just because WWE doesn't acknowledge other companies (unless they buy them) doesn't mean that the work someone has done outside of WWE isn't relevant to some fans (in this case seemingly a lot of them). And in this day and age of the internet, it's pretty narrow minded to not acknowledge the work of someone just because he was overlooked for 5 years.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Why should WWE care about what someone did in another company?
Thats another company. If they cared about what someone did in another company guys like Rey and Eddie would have been stuck in cruiserweight for eternity rather than main eventers
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Actually Rey and Eddie were some of the few guys were WWE DID recognize what they did in other companies. From the beginning the Radicalz were pushed as the mistreated talents from WCW and Rey actually WAS stuck in the cruiserweight division until it was disbanded. And they should care, because it's an insult to the work someone has done. If the rumors had been true and they'd brought Sting to fight Taker, what sense would that have made if they wouldn't recognize what he did in WCW?
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Sting is one of the biggest stars in wrestling of course they'd acknowledge what he did.
WWE acknowledging indy talents for indy accomplishments makes no sense.
Also Rey/Eddie weren't stars when they came to WWE so they had no reason to acknowledge the accomplishments of midcarders
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob You're beginning to contradict yourself here. On one side you say "Why should WWE care about what someone did in another company" and then you say "Sting is one of the biggest stars in Wrestling of course they'd acknowledge what he did". How so? If you say they shouldn't care, why should they care what some guy who never ever worked for them or was mentioned on their program did in WCW?
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob And as I said: Eddie and Rey were stars when they entered WWE and were treated as such. Their standing in WCW had nothing to do whith that but their overness with the crowd because of their abilities.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Eddie and Rey weren't stars. Their standing with WCW had everything to do with it.
Btw Rey stopped being over after he got unmasked.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob I don't know what you watched in 2000 but I saw 4 guys who never worked for WWE portrayed as "people you should know or heard of" and immediately got big feuds and titles. Only Eddies arm injury held him back for a while.
And Rey was pushed as one of the most exciting babyfaces of WWE when he debuted in 2002 (whith his mask). And that although he was only pushed in the cruiserweight division. So yeah they were stars because people loved them for their work in WCW and ECW
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Why are you talking about their careers when they got to WWE. We're talking about their careers in WCW.
Eddie took a few years to go over because of the horridness of the Radicalz. Rey was immediately over because of his high flying and having his mask back.
They weren't stars from WCW, WWE turned them into stars
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob No we're talking about their careers in WWE because the conversation was about WWE acknowledging what people did in other companies before they came to them. And for Eddie and Rey, they didn't start as total Nobodies, they started as guys the audience knew because of great work (work not standing) in Japan, ECW and WCW and WWE acknowledged that fact. That's my point. Sure they became bigger stars in WWE than they were anywhere else, but they were known stars already.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Why should WWE care if Daniel Bryan or Punk held a title in ROH? ROH isn't a huge company with name recognition. It'd make no sense to talk about it
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob That's why I said I'm glad they at least admit that they've been around for a while and did great on the indies. You're right as much as I love ROH it isn't big enough to be mentioned on WWE Programming (except that Matt Hardy did so in 2005) but at least WWE doesn't portray them as absolute Rookies to wrestling, whose career started in WWE. They don't say were they come from but they acknowledge their hard work
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Or as I said what about Flair? When Flair came in in 92 he even brought the WCW Belt with him. Also, every other Wrestling Company in the world recocnizes that there are other companies. It's called respect. That's why I'm happy that they are at least admitting that Daniel Bryan has been in Wrestling for a long time, even if no company names were mentioned.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@sweeperistheboss It's like having Toshiaki Kawada or the Great Muta in WWE and saying: Well it's their first match in WWE so they are noobs and should lose against a guy who did half of what they acomplished in this sport. And speaking of guys from other companies. What about Goldberg when he came to WWE? What about Ric Flair when he came in 92? Should those guys have been held back too because they were new to WWE? I'm not saying here that Bryan is Flair, god no, but it's a similar situation.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
It's not a similar situation cuz Flair and Goldberg were not given championships right away. Daniel Bryan was given the US title fresh ouf of his run on NXT. you don't push anybody that quickly cuz there's no crediblity in a quick push.
sweeperistheboss 8 months ago
@sweeperistheboss Flair got the title shortly after coming to WWE. If you don't recognize Bryans career outside of WWE than you shouldn't recognize Flair's career outside of WWE also if you do a comparison. Same with Goldberg. Came to WWE in april, beat The Rock the same month, got the title in november. If you were a WWE only fan you'd have thought "who is this guy that they give him a title shot?" But almost noone in this day and age is a pure WWEfan anymore, that's why they had credibility.
Wurzelknecht 8 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
Sorry I'm not buying it. First off, I don't care about Bryan's career outside of WWE. If he's to have crediblity as a WWE champion then he has to pay his dues in WWE not outside.
sweeperistheboss 8 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
Second regardless of how fast Ric Flair may have won the WWF championship and how fast Goldberg may have won the WHC they were transitioning from one major league company to another so it's forgivable. Daniel Bryan got his US title just barely after his run on NXT so his transition was from bush league to developmental to major league. Not the same thing.
sweeperistheboss 8 months ago
@sweeperistheboss but you talked about credibility. So Flair and Goldberg had credibility because they came from WCW and were huge starst there. Again, then what is the problem with Bryan? The people like him because most of them know him from his indie days, most notably ROH which as of now has reached a similar status as ECW did during the 90s as the Nr.3 in the USA. Don't you realise that it's just you who thinks he has no credibility because you didn't watch him before WWE?
Wurzelknecht 8 months ago 2
@Wurzelknecht
Are you saying everybody is supposed to have him watched him before WWE? Are you saying that if people don't watch RoH or all that indie crap then they're out of the loop as wrestling fans? Tell me something. What gives you the right to make RoH the center of all things wrestling?
sweeperistheboss 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss ah didn't know this conversation was still on ^^ saw you a while ago on another ROH video STILL bitching about Danielson winning the US Title. That won't ever stop haunting your sad little life will it ;)
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
I'm not b*tching about anything. I'm just saying you're an idiot for supporting any fast push to a championship.
sweeperistheboss 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss No I'm not saying everybody should've watched him. But fact is that a lot of people DID and a lot of people who didn't were still impressed with him. And btw did you ever watch ROH/indie or Puroresu? If not then by calling them crap without even watching just proves my point of you just being a biased idiot who's just angry that someone he doesn't like gets a little push. I'm not trying to be an ROHfanboy here but I'd say you should at least know what they're talking about.
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
If you think Daniel Bryan deserves a quick push to the US title just because he was in RoH then YOU don't know what you're talking about.
sweeperistheboss 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss No I think he deserved it because he was over with the crowd and his feud with Miz was pretty well build up. But most of all: Miz had to lose the title in order to move on to bigger things. That's how it's always been: A guy destined for Main Event status has to drop the midcard belt to a young up and comer or someone who just got over with the crowd. The guy who wins isn't the relevant point but the guy who moves on. You're failure to understand this makes me sad ^^
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
Your attempt to validate a noob getting a quickie push makes you pathetic and stupid.
sweeperistheboss 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss So does your attempt to elevate this title win into more than it was. Or your attempt to discredid Danielson and his fans, just because you don't like him. Face it kid: You're just a hater who is pissed because someone you don't know or like won a match. But you have to face the reality: That will always happen no matter which company you watch. So I advice you to stop watching wrestling altogether or your blood pressure might be in danger in a few years ;)
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
I ain't attempting to elevate nothing. You're the one trying to validate Danielson's BS US title win when you should've just called it a bullsh*t decision like all fast pushes are. But no because you're a jockstrapholder for your precious Danielson you always have to come up with some bullsh*t argument to excuse his fast push don't you? It's real simple you favor Danielson so your arguments don't mean sh*t.
sweeperistheboss 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss Dude. Have you ever heard of people having a different opinion than you? You actually want to tell me what I should call Bullshit (yeah I'm not a sissy who has to put a * in it) and what not? YOU are the biased asshole who still goes on about this shit because you don't like Danielson. I don't like a lot of wrestlers but do I go around and TELL people not to like them either? That is the most pathetic and insecure thing I've ever seen.
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss And AGAIN!: There were numerous fast pushes in WWE history that worked well. But a wrestling noob like you wouldn't know that of course. Kurt Angle was pushed to the IC AND European Title just 2-3 month after his debut. His first WWE Title (with a victory over the Rock nonetheless) came just a few month later. It worked because he was over, despite this being his first year as a pro wrestler.
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
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MrWillington37 6 months ago
@sweeperistheboss "Your attempt to validate a noob getting a quickie push makes you pathetic and stupid" lmao you dont know much about bryan danielson do you? a noob? lmfao danielson knows more about wrestling then most of the wrestlers in WWE right now the fact that the miz (i like him by the way) was his "mentor" sort of speak in NXT is hilarious...dude danielson is NOT a noob you must only know him when he joined WWE or something LMFAO.
UKDannyBoyy91 1 month ago
@sweeperistheboss sure it's a different thing if one has been WCW World Champ or "just" ROH World champ, but first Bryan only got the US Title and not a major World Title in WWE so I'd say the balance is there, and second it all comes down if enough people know him. And it seems that enough people DID know Bryan when he came to WWE. Just because you don't know him doesn't erase that fact. As I said, it's the same if I had never known Flair. Just because I don't know him doesn't change his rep
Wurzelknecht 8 months ago 7
@Wurzelknecht
You act as if the whole world knew about Daniel Brian before WWE. That's like saying the whole world watches RoH and FCW. Are u really that arrogant and ignorant to make such an assumption? Where do you get off putting no-namers from bush league companies over seasoned wrestlers in WWE?
sweeperistheboss 7 months ago
@sweeperistheboss Oh I'm just saying (over and over again because you just have to listen to the pops he gets to know it's true) that a lot of people DID know about him before WWE. That's something that you just can't get into your thick skull. Also he wrestled for Pro Wrestling NOAH. You call NOAH bush league? ^^
Also you're willing to call guys like the nexus "seasoned" just because the work for WWE? You my friend are overgeneralizing a bit much.
Wurzelknecht 7 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
Without crediblity his title run quickly weakens and he becomes open to getting squashed by no-talents like lameus. And look I was right. Bryan lost the US title to Lameus and then Lameus lost it to Kofi Kingston shortly thereafter. you see? None of that would've happened if Bryan hadn't been hotshotted to the US title. If you ask me he got exactly what he deserved for taking a championship he didn't earn.
sweeperistheboss 8 months ago
@sweeperistheboss and the us title doesn't have any credibility. that's why it changes so often. Bryan and Sheamus are just two examples in the long running decline of this once prestigous title. Kingston won't be different.
Wurzelknecht 8 months ago
@Wurzelknecht
that's up to WWE and how they use him.
sweeperistheboss 8 months ago
@igloogenius Dude? He was teaming with MARK HENRY before his injury. He wasn't getting pushed for shit. WWE has no idea how to push anyone.
TheDonaldPierce 1 year ago
@TheDonaldPierce
You know? That was the only thing you said that was right. Now all that's left is for you to get your head out of Daniel Bryan's ass.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
If Evan Bourne is a lost cause which is your opnion then should've just kept the title on the Miz and just continue his feud with Daniel Bryan and maybe even include John Morrison fighting for the US title and maybe even winning the US title but either way Daniel Bryan is out. He is a noob and he can't be US champion until he's paid his dues and that's final.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss AHAHA Daniel pay his dues? You WWE faggots are hilarious. Daniel Bryan should be World Champion right now. He's wrestled in the indies forever and has "paid his dues" far more than that faggot The Miz.
TheDonaldPierce 1 year ago
@igloogenius Bourne is injury prone? Shut the fuck up.
TheDonaldPierce 1 year ago
@ igloogenius
If Donald has a beef with you then maybe you should reconsider what you say about Evan Bourne.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
And yes I would believe Evan Bourne as a valid US champion at the time because he has more credibility as a RAW midcarder than Daniel Bryan because Bryan is still a beginner on RAW. And no Bourne wouldn't have to win it without a feud. There can still be build up and have both guys feuding with Miz for the US title as long as Bryan isn't the one that wins it right away. you gotta think about these things man. It's not important to give the title to a new hire. It never is.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
How can it not make sense? Bourne earned it didn't he? Are you gonna tell me it's better to give it to the guy winning a popularity contest rather than to the guy who earned the championship?
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
NXT is not one of the big brands like RAW or Smackdown. NXT is little league. you can't treat it as a big league brand so you can't consider NXT as time with big league WWE. You have to be on RAW or Smackdown before you get a RAW or Smackdown championship. It's common sense. You should have already gotten that by now.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
you're looking for reasons to justify his quick push to the US title. you can't have credibility if one is given instant champion status. it does not work that way. Let him put his time in and then decide if he's championship worthy or not.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
It may be difficult but it is necessary cuz right now the credibility of the US title is shot cuz it's not around somebody that earned that belt.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Everything has to fall in line. Being over is fine, having skill is fine but without crediblity there's no reason to give the belt to Daniel Bryan so he was overpushed. Tell the someone that convinced you that I said he doesn't know what he's talking about.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
Miz needed to lose it whoever earned that belt. you can't give it to a noob not that quickly. The crediblity of that belt has to be preserved. You can't give it to a noob out of convenience nor can you give it because the title holder has has had it too long.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius does this mean I win??? lol but i did see the points in your argument also.
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hotwaterwrestling 1 year ago
@igloogenius
And as I said before, it's not necessary to lose a match to put lesser talent over. Stop listening to how internet wrestlng fan degenerates define "putting over" and look to the Austin-Hart matches at WM 13 and Survivor Series 96 to see the proper way to put a lesser opponent over. Today's wrestling fan has corrupted that term so blatantly it's no wonder there are fans that are willing to accept poorly built champions like Lesnar, Lameus, and daniel bryan.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
All the reason why he shouldn't be losing championships in BS fashion to an idiot who's already had a BS title reign. and it's also the reason why he shouldn't be losing matches to NXT guys. Jericho is at the very top. NXT guys are at the very bottom so it makes no sense to have him lose to any of them. It's not realistic.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
You say Jericho is idle. Well what do you expect? They misused him as WHC champion thanks to that speech-impaired Kurt Angle wannabe Jack Faggot and having him lose to a thumbsucking degenerate from NXT (Which stands for No-talent Xtreme Trash) didn't help matters either. WWE has failed Jericho in so many ways. At first i was happy to see him come back in 2007 now I'm sorry because the first Undisputed WWE champion should never have been treated that way to begin with.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@igloogenius
That may be true but I'm not gonna write somebody a free pass to any of WWE's championships just because they turned heads in ROH. That's arrogant and short-sighted thinking that's typical of the Internet wrestling fan.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss God your depressingly bitter! I made that comment because, ROH gives me and most wrestling fans that special feeling of satisfaction, when you think you could tell other people what your watching and not be embarrassed about it (like everyone is especially with WWE, and even TNA at this point) It takes itself seriously, and produces some of the best nail biting, badass matches I've ever seen. Now... if you don't like even that, whats "good" to you then sweeps?
triplejpm 1 year ago
@triplejpm
you're damn right I'm bitter! DAMN right! why? you said it yourself. WWE has driven away and pissed off a lot of fans and I'm not embarrassed to say WWE has pissed me off more than any other fan on this site.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@triplejpm
So excuse me if I have such a strong resentment towards ROH. But anytime WWE chooses to make an instant champion out of a nobody like Daniel Bryan or Lameus I get a handful of misguided idiots telling me that they deserve to be made champions right away just because they impressed people in ROH and the indie circuit. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT IT SAYS ON YOUR RESUME! When you start out as a WWE wrestler, you pay your DAMN dues!
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss lol you called "Daniel Bryan" a nobody on a ROH video.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
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@Blackninja93
"you called "Daniel Bryan" a nobody on a ROH video."
yes I did. Would you like me to repeat it for you so that it reaches your brain or did it already make it there due to your head being so far up your ass?
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss When has any ROH star other then Punk or Bryan ever gotten a real title shot? What about Jamie Noble, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, or Low Ki who were used as jobbers to bigger and more untalented guys? Seamus was never in ROH by the way. And Takeshi Morishima, one of Japans biggest stars and both ROH World and GHC Heavyweight Champion, didn't even get a contract because he didn't look the part.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht London and Kendrick jobbers? They're one of the longest reigning tag teams in history. Hell Brian Kendrick even won the world title in a scramble match.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Yes and how were they treated? When they wanted to discuss their careers with Vince he more or less told them that the Tag Belts don't mean a damn thing. And let's face it. The TagTeam Division in WWE is dead because Vince wants it dead. The Tag Belts solely exist for Story purposes and to give Main Eventers without belts something to wear around their waist. But granted, since both London and Kendrick are known as potheads AND they were small they never had a chance.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@sweeperistheboss and don't talk about paying your dues in WWE. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Miz got handed a WWE Title for being the winner of a reality casting show. Seamus won his title the first month or so in the company. Or what about McIntyre and Ziggler who are shoved down our throats because someone in the higher ups likes how they look? What about Carlito a few years back who got the US Title in his FIRST Match?
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht The Miz is easily one of the best examples of paying your dues in wrestling today are you fucking retarded?
Btw Davey Richards was supposed to win the ROH World Title from Danielson on his first day in the company but didn't because of a knee injury.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Ok I take back what I said about the Miz (he eventually had to work his way up). But I got a little worked up there. The story about Richards is ridiculous, though. In 2006 Richards was still very green and Danielson was supposed to last until Final Battle the whole time for Homicide to take the belt. I'd really like to know your source for this story because it sounds pretty unlikely. especially since the roster was crowded with established Main Eventers back then.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@sweeperistheboss Those ROH guys have spent 10+ years on the us indies, in Europe, in Japan, in Mexico...all over the world, learing everything about the business, learning different wrestling styles, different ways to build matches, and they didn't get paid half as much as some of the WWE guys I mentioned for putting their bodies on the line. THAT's what I call paying your DAMN DUES! So stop your whining because the only ROH guys ever pushed in WWE were Punk and Bryan because of SKILL!
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht To say people in WWE didn't have to pay any dues is quite frankly a insane insult.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Where did I say that? That's a pretty huge overgeneralisation you read into my comment there. But you have to admit, that there haven been tons of untalented guys shoved down our throats for the last couple years, who got spots in the company with half the effort of some indy guys just because of their looks. Just because Vince has a fetish for big muscular men or guys you can push as monsters. While smaller (much better) guys and TagTeams are wasted.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht So you're saying WWE only pushes big muscular guys?
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Mostly yes. Either big and monster-like or muscled or at least looking like fitness models. In the past Vince has even ordered his talent scouts to look for guys who look like that rather than talent. What do you think why people like Chris Masters or Kozlov still have a job? Or guys like Khali or Batista were champs? Even Cena and Orton owe much to their looks. Vince never really got away from his idea of how the ideal wrestler should look like Hulk Hogan. That sorta greek god look
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Ever think it was because 90% of the people in wrestling are fucking big and muscular?
But I'm, sure that never crossed your mind.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob No it didn't. Because it is not true. It's only what WWE wants us to believe. If you look around the wrestling world, 90% are average build guys like Ric Flair or Steve Austin. Not too big, not too small and not too overly muscled. Only in WWE we get people presented as "wrestlers" who look more like roided up Bodybuilders. But the only two guys with overly Bodybuilder-like muscles that actually could wrestle in WWE in the last few years were Triple H and Brock Lesnar.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Austin was pretty muscular back in the day. Also go look at the heavyweight division of any Japanese wrestling promotion. You'll see what roided up truly means.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Austin was never that muscular. He had a very natural look. He didn't even have a very visible sixpack. And the heavyweights in Japan are big for Japanese standarts but they don't look like early Chris masters or Scott Steiner. And the thing with them is: They maybe big, but they can WRESTLE! And that's what's important. WWE sometimes seems to purposely shun guys with talent and employ guys without it.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht In your opinion that employ guys without talent. I never understood why every wrestling fan seems to think their opinion on someone's wrestling skills is a proven fact.
ALso back when he was Stunning Steve Austin he was muscular (before all the beers). Also you don't think Kenta Kobashi has done roids in his time?
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob in MY opinion? C'mon tell me that Snitsky, Heidenreich, Mark Henry, Khali, Kozlov or Chris Masters had ANY wrestling talent that they showcased on WWE. Or that Batista who is a multiple champion is as good in the ring as other guys who held the title in the past 10 years. And please keep a straight face while doing it.
And yeah maybe Kobashi took roids. But that doesn't change the fact that he still wrestled on a very high level no matter how big he got. That's the important part.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Snitsky, Heidereich, Kozlov, Henry, and Masters were never world champs. Hell Snitsky and Heidenreich weren't even main eventers. Batista has had plenty of great matches and is a decent worker btw just because he's big doesn't mean he's a shit worker.
So you're condoning Kobashi taking roids? What kind of sick bastard condones steroid abuse?
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob I never condoned anything. Good GOD. Are you so thick or desperate that you have to turn people's words around to fit your argument? You said "don't you think Kobashi has done roids" as a counter argument to my claim that WWE focuses on guys with extremely overdeveloped muscles. So I admitted that "Yes maybe he did". I never condoned it I just admitted the possiblility. My following statement about him being Great in the ring had nothing to do with that.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob And if I had denied the possibilty that Kobashi took roids, I'm sure you would've just called me a blind fanboy or something like that. God you defend a company that forced people to take roids for years so they even get recognized (let's face it that's basically the last resort many guys took because they thought without it they couldn't get a job at WWE. Same with the Divas who one after another got Breast implants) and then you accuse ME to condone roid abuse? Fuck you man
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht WWE forcing their talent to take roids was never proven so you can stop with the strawman arguments.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob I didn't mean that they forced them in that way. But Vince never made a secret out of him liking a specific type of wrestler and that he mostly ignored people with average build. So for many people that meant getting bigger in order to get recognized. Which ultimately leads to some guys taking the short cut. Sure WWE now has wellness policy now after someone had to DIE for it, but it's unfair that they still are that biased against smaller or average guys.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Biased against smaller guys? Pretty sure I already proved you wrong on this.
Also I can just as easily say ROH loves to promote these psuedo Japanese strong style wrestlers (like Davey Richards who's probably the most overrated wrestler in the past 5 years in my opinion).
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob No you haven't proven anything. More so since Vince has been cited numerous times by many different sources that he doesn't give a crap about cruiserweights, and wants tall muscular men. And I don't know what's pseudo Japanese strong style when all the guys who use this style learned it in Japan and frequently work in Japan. But yes, you could say that, because in recent years this style has become popular with young wrestlers, so there's nothing wrong with it to promote it.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Vince doesn't care about Cruiserweights? Which is why he pushed WCW cruiserweights to the main event right? You know, when a company called WCW considered them jobbers.
Also you're the one that insulted me first, so don't call the kettle black pot.
Sneezlebob 9 months ago
@Sneezlebob And Batista sucked. The only good matches he had were when Taker and Triple H busted their asses to drag him to a decent match. And the other guys I mentioned weren't champions, but they were shoved down our throuts nonetheless in a desparate attempt to turn them into stars because Vince liked how they looked. And yes being big doesn't mean you're a shit worker. Many guys have proven that already, but sadly almost (not entirely but almost) none of them in WWE.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Batista sucks. IN YOUR OPINION.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob And he doesn't in YOUR OPINION. So just let me be and quit it already. This is getting nowhere and you're just starting to insult me. If you're happy with the way WWE matches go and how they pick their wrestlers, by all means enjoy it. I for one enjoy Pro Wrestling over Sports Entertainment and just check on Mainstream wrestling to see how guys are doing that I enjoyed watching.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht I'm insulting you? Thats the pot calling the kettle black.
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Calling me a sick bastartd and accusing me of condoning steroid abuse is an insult no matter how you look at it. I love a healthy discussion or else I wouldn't spend so much time posting answers. But you just seem to be here to make trouble and pick fights. If you're fine with how sports entertainment runs it's matches and it's wrestlers then enjoy it. I for one feel let down by it after watching WWE for over 20years so I found puro and ROH to enjoy instead. Have a nice day.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob When you look at the best wrestlers in history, you almost never have a giant bodybuilder guy in there, except for maybe Kobashi. But Flair, Hart, HBK, Angle, Steamboat, Misawa, Kawada, Tsuruta, Benoit, Muta or Austin, or even todays really good wrestlers like Joe, Punk, Styles, Danielson, Marufuji or KENTA are mostly small or average in size and although muscular do not look like let's say Batista.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob I'm not saying that there were never smaller guys getting a push but they are few and they had to fight for it harder than anyone else. Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels stood out because they were better Wrestlers then any of their fellow WWF guys in their time. But it took much convincing to give them the belt. Eddie and Benoit always felt like Vince was throwing us fans a bone. Especially when you look at how forgettable their Title reigns were. And Rey was just buried.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht Eddie and Benoit title reigns forgettable? What?
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob Yes they were pretty forgettable which is sad. Both were one time only champs in a time when people won the title at least three times within a single year. Eddie lost the title after merely two succesful title defenses (one of which he was DQed). And Benoit was never really center of attention during his reign because the main focus was on Triple H, Evolution and HBK. And after Benoit lost the title to Orton at Summerslam he was put back in the midcard.
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Sneezlebob It just felt like Eddie and Benoit were only given the title to say: "Here you wrestling geeks. You're two heroes had the belts at least once now. Satisfied?"
Wurzelknecht 10 months ago
@Wurzelknecht If you want to think that fine I guess
Sneezlebob 10 months ago
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sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@triplejpm
paying your dues means you don't take shortcuts to championships. You put in your time first and gain experience as a Smackdown or RAW wrestler and then you worry about winning championships cuz that's the process of making champions.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss How is Daniel Bryan poorly built? He was the most over guy on NXT season one, and i bet you didn't know that as Bryan Danielson he had alot of dark matches in WWE.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
but as a wrestler on RAW he did nothing to deserve a push to the US title. So yes he was poorly buit. Dark matches don't count and neither does his time on NXT. you don't start paying dues as a RAW wrestler until you're on the RAW roster.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss I thought being around the Miz was paying dues for everyone.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
then you thought wrong. Bryan shouldn't be fighting for the US title until he's at least 3 months as a RAW wrestler not just starting out as one.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss dude i was joking but now daniel bryan is so over with crowd now it's amazing i never thought another ring of honor star would get that kind of response. WWE is pushing someone who they didn't make, that's amazing.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
Well I'm not joking. Daniel Bryan didn't pay dues as a RAW wrestler so he does not deserve a push to the US title. Crediblity must be maintained when a championship is won and if it's won too quickly then that crediblity is shot. i don't care about his overness with the crowd. until he pays his dues he has no crediblity as US champion. ROH and its fans be damned.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss Well the push is over cause he is the U.S. champion and now he's been on the RAW roster for three months now plus The Miz/ Daniel Bryan fued was the best thing to watch on NXT and Bryan was asked to go to the main roster BUT he wanted to go to FCW and develop himself.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
Then he should've gone to FCW and developed himself and not take the US championship because he didn't work for it. And FYI, Daniel Bryan is not the US champion. He may have the belt but without the credibility to back him up that's all it is, a belt not a championship.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss What credibility doesn't he have?
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
championship credilbility. Do you even know what that is?
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss yeah it makes a championship a championship.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
Do you know what makes a championship a championship? If you say winning a title match then you're already dead wrong.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss Prestige. The quality of matches for the belt and how often it's defended.
Blackninja93 1 year ago
@Blackninja93
Tell me where is the prestige in being given a free ride to a championship?
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
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sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
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Anybody that does not wanna honor that process and anybody that looks to get everything handed to him on a silver platter should pack his bags and look for another career because he does not deserve to have a championship nor does he deserve to be in the wrestling business! To borrow a quote from an old WWE ad, anybody that doesn't wanna pay their dues in WWE should GET THE F OUT of the wrestling business!
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
This was the night before Punk and Samoa Joe went to their second sixty minute time limit draw.
GO2SLEEP85 1 year ago
3:16 that piledriver was nastier than i think anyone realizes. That could've ended sooo bad. Looks like Homicide fell mid-execution D:
ChaostheClown 1 year ago
ROH is for homos and lesbians that don't know dick about talent.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
@sweeperistheboss 2 possibilities, either... Your being facetious, or you are mentally friggn' handicapped dude... Thats probly the stupidest comment I've seen In a while.
triplejpm 1 year ago
@triplejpm
you should know, you're our resident expert in making stupid comments.
sweeperistheboss 1 year ago
funny how roh.com sells wwe action figures
ChainsawHelms 1 year ago
@ChainsawHelms They sell WWE and TNA dvds too . I guess you can't call them biased.
emeryDH 1 year ago
Homacide Punk ! Homacide Punk ! Homacide Punk !
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WweHabbinfo 1 year ago