Oh how I wish I could live to see humanity conquer the stars, see other civilizations, other evolutionary paths just a little further down the path of discovery. Its a shame some people don't appreciate the awe inspiring nature of the universe and the privilege it is to admire it however briefly.
In my opinion if there is a god, it's something that we would never imagine it to be. Not your typical Christian, Catholic, Hindu, Islam, ect.... god.
What a trip and without any stuff for mind control, thought it would have been even better, just kidding great graphics better when viewed in full screen.
To all the scared, closed minded, head in the sand people, please Google "NASA tether video". Tell me after this that UFOs arent real, or that they probably have other then human lifeforms controlling them.
People are saying that watching this makes them feel insignifigant. I on the other hand feel privledged to be ALLOWED to live amongst the monstrosity that is our universe :)
Some amazing comments on this truly humbling video.. When I'm super high I like to watch this to remind me that we are all one of the same the universe even looks like a brain and arterys of pure light and beauty which in truth is our essence!! All give your selves a pat on the back for being able to experience this wonderful universe with each over.. The love vibrations can't be stopped by capitalist scum bankers and governments!! We are the universe....
" You know!! our Universe in its grandeur and splendor, allows me to enjoy life and DNA. Thanks Universe! for bringing on your trip as part of you, and the journey continues like an Eternity! "
We as humans are the only ones aware of our mortality we may be small compared to space but think about it out if all the trillions upon trillions of stars at least one blew up leaving the building blocks for life to begin on other planets we are not the ones there are others we just haven't found them yet
If we are looking the past, I suppose we can´t map the actual universe. And how can scientists discover the exact "mark zero" of the Big Bang if all around the cosmic radiation comes from and all around we see the past? Am I wrong or astronomers are mapping just the past not the actual universe? If the astronomers find same "baby universe" galaxies in the opposite side of our "mapped" universe, does that mean we are only looking to a kinda "convex" point not to a bubble like universe?
@mauricera I'll try to answer, because I presume your questions are sincere,and not a troller's questions! Firstly, everything we see in space, is in the past. Even the light we receive from the surface of our Sun is 8 Minutes old by the time it reaches earth, so scale that up with the distances of our galaxy and beyond, then yes - EVERYTHING thats visible out there, happened in the past. As for seeing 'baby universe galaxy' - I'm not sure I understand your question.
@ianww8 > Let´s review my question. If the Astronomers found "Near" big bang galaxies in different directions of the visible sky, how could an explosion, as I know, happened from a "zero point" ? We should see those "baby" galaxies so far 14 billions in the same direction, think about that. I know my question is kinda strange, but last week a great scientist here failed triyng to answer it . In a first moment it seems to be a first degreee student question.
@mauricera I still dont understand your question I'm really sorry.I dont understand what you mean by 'big bang' galaxies either. Are you questioning the big bang theory, if you are, then are you aware that whilst been the best fit explanation for the evidence thats observed, its not entirely complete - hence why its still a scientific theory, not a law. In a bid to understand your logic and perspective here, may I ask, are you a creationist?
@ianww8 > Part 2:> You can find at Google a diagram in "cone" form of the Big Bang explanation made by the astronomers of the Chandra. Try to explain me how can they be right so if they were we were seeing the border of the inflation in one side (or nothing because it would be the "future" and the "zero" point if the Big Bang was like they agree. But by themselves controversial data show us near Big Bang (after the dark age) the first galaxies in more than one direction. Think about it.
@mauricera Again, I dont understand what youre talking about I'm sorry! Clearly, I cant explain something I dont know what youre referring to. You mention big bang and inflation here. Forgive my asking, but do you realise they are two hypothesese for how the universe developed after its initiation?! As for 'dark age'... again, not a term Im familiar with sorry, and I dont understand your question, so I cant think about it further - please clarify, and I'll do my best to answer.
@mauricera Part 3(last one guys)> "In one point, at something around 14 billions years ago, an event had occur, called the Big Bang". The scientists explain us that we are in the final borders of the "cone" of that explosion. How can that be true if we find evidences of that truth if we can "see" with our instruments, here or out there in space galaxies of the creation of the universe in opposite directions? ?
@mauricera Again, forgive me, but your questions are difficult to understand. First of all, Big bang theory is the 'best fit' explanation for the evidece of observation, BUT, its incomplete and not yet regarded as scientific fact. There are other counter theories, such as theory of Inflation - but it fits less well than big bang at this time. We are yet to establish which of these(if any) are correct. As for your question of seeing galaxies in opposite directions to the earth (Cont)
@mauricera Continued #2# - you need to realise that the difference of 'opposite direction' you imply does not take into account the vastness of space, and the perspective of even the opposite sides of the orbit of the earth around the sun will not change our perspective sufficeintly for even the nearest galaxy to ours look anything other than a fraction different to our other viewpoints on our orbit around the sun.
@ianww8 Thanks for answering. But again, I think you didi not understand my question. When an explosion occurs (everywhere as the Big Bang theory accepts), but started by one single point, then after millions matter came, then afte millions and billions the first galaxies. Those first galaxies supposed to be seem in one direction only, can you understand what I mean? Scientists still detect those first galaxies in opposite directions. How? As I saw an explosion...
@mauricera Youre welcome! I hope to help! Are you asking, why do some galaxies spin in opposite direction to others, if the matter that formed them came from a singularity?! If so, then that could explained by the fact that its gravity that determines which way a solar system or a galaxy rotates. Explosions like you've seen on earth are subject to the gravity imposed by earth, but not so 'explosions' in the vacum of space, so the effects will be different in any case. Does that help?
@ianww8 ...When you see an explosion matter deviates in all directions. If from Earth point of view whe no longer "see" after ~14b l/y , why can´t whe find the "first galaxies of Big Bang" in only one direction and the "border" of the Big Bang in the others? Milk way is very far from the intial bang, right? Forget creation, maths, space/time, just simple. Why the scientist detect the first galaxies of the visual universe in more than one direction if they should come from the same place?
@mauricera We cant see 'the border' of big bang, because if big bang is correct, then the edge of the universe will be that 'border'. We cannot see anywhere near as far as the edge of our universe, even with the Hubble telescope. I'm not aware that the point of origin of the big bang has ever been calculated, or indeed could be calculated given that so much has happened since it is thought to have occurred. Hope that helps!
@ianww8 Ian, you are right in yours first letters, we suppose to be at the border or even it seems to be strange, near the border, with some galaxies older or even newer than ours but more ahead because the inflation theory. But if in the first point you understood me, if we would be at the border of the explosion, how are the Virgo Cluster (our base point in the visible universe map) could be placed at the center of this map? ...Thanks
@mauricera I'm sorry, I dont understand your question. Look for books, videos etc from Lawrence Krauss - he's one of the worlds leading astrophysisists - who explains it all beautifully. Try this YT Video for starters: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
@mauricera Ask yourself... How can you see any of the original 'big bang'' if its moving away from us at the speed of light. Some physisists predict that the boundaries of the universe is travelling beyond the speed of light, but Im not an astro physisist so I'm not the best one to explain that to you. This is an interesting YT video from one of the leading Cosmologists of today - it might explain things better for you than I ever could: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
@ianww8 Ian, thanks for help, I know the subject cannot be answered in a simple way, but I don´t want to scape from my question, I´m not a "starter", but try to imagine what I say from the first comment... How could the scientists localized galaxies wich were formed in the begining of the visible universe, but in more than one direction ? They should be at same "place" of one side, whatever space expanding speed, or aeons, and then we should "see" nothing more than the border in another.
@mauricera I have tried to answer that one for you - if you watch that video link on you tube, it specifically covers it in diagramatic form. You cant post links to these IM boxes, but you'll find Lawrence Krauss, if you go to: w w w . youtube . com /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Stuff like this actually depresses me a little; makes me feel utterly insignificant.
We humans are so egocentric. We really think that everything revolves around us (figuratively speaking, of course). And yet, even if the entire human race gets wiped out in one instant, the universe will still just go on as always...
@UrielCorinthian I disagree, I believe the exact opposite for the exact same reason. The universe will go on with or without us, our significance or lack there of means nothing. There will always be a future no matter what we do, maybe not for us, but for the universe. Another chance for something amazing to happen every second, I am proud to be part of that right now, and even if I died today, I would die proud to have been part of something as amazing as our universe.
@OrangeTang666 But wouldn't you like to believe that your life has some meaning? Even if not inherently, then perhaps some form of forced or created meaning? To me it almost sounds like you're saying that you're just happy to be a gear in the machine...?
@UrielCorinthian Not at all. I don't think I'm just a gear in the machine as you put it, to assume that would be to assume that there is a machine for which we serve. The universe is the universe, with or without us, and it is just something that we should be happy to be a part of and be able to add to. Its not that people don't have meaning, its that we create our own meaning for ourselves. If I'm not happy with my life, I can choose to change it and be happy from that.
@Aprilshowersss It's awesome that people can have polar opposite reactions to the exact same thing :) But, if you don't mind me asking - could you explain that comfort to me? Why is it that you find it comforting and I find it, in a word, terrifying?
@UrielCorinthian Part of the comfort to be found in this fact can be the freedom from cosmic responsibility. While our lives are important to us, and human events matter a great deal to us as humans, when things get really intense, scary, and difficult, it can be refreshing to take a step back, start thinking cosmically and realize that we are just a cosmic burp. None of it really matters in the end. Win or fail, galaxies will still turn. Cont…
@UrielCorinthian Pt 2 Its difficult to get the point across briefly. But maybe one way to simplifying it would be that some people feel that humans are or should be important and have great meaning, and the fact that we are not is depressing. Others feel that the idea of humans being so important and our actions really mattering is overwhelming or confusing or something like that, and the fact that we are free to be imperfect humans is a relief.
@UrielCorinthian I agree that we are utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but to ourselves and to each other, NOTHING can be more significant.
Your time here is extremely limited so you might as well enjoy yourself in a positive way. The religious can't accept that so they create an afterlife which comforts them.
Unfortunately for them, they're going to miss out on the only chance they get to live. RIGHT NOW!!
@MrTimJr Fully agree with you too. I find it very sad that people "invest" so much in something that they merely believe to be waiting for them in the future, but have no tangible evidence of, rather than living & enjoying what they have right now. It's essentially giving up life for something you hope would exist after life. I just get overwhelmed by all the hatred, sadness and corruption most of the time. I worry about these things, but videos like this make me doubt everything, you know?
@UrielCorinthian The universe may be vast, but that doesn't mean it's intelligent. Sure it would continue to exist if we died, but that doesn't mean anything.
@superearthbender No, absolutely - we're on the same page here. I'm not claiming that the universe is intelligent in any way or that it has "a plan" of some sorts. But my point is exactly that - it would go on, whether or not we're here, and THAT'S what I find to be rather depressing - that confirmation that the human species is utterly insignificant.
@UrielCorinthian We're a product of the system the universe exists within, we are a part of it. It is not intelligent by itself, and therefore the furthering of its existence and the passing of time are not processed under a meaning other than the simplicity that it "exists". For you to say something is "significant" or has a meaning, you must develop that idea out of a human system.
You're associating two different systems. Nothing means anything unless you say it does.
Well, put that in a more immediate reality to your existence. When you die, the Earth goes on without you as well and when you die, the other 6 billion people on the Earth aren't even aware you left, let alone knew that you lived. Just because we all fail to see this absolute truth has never changed for the dearly departed who preceded us. Think of all the people who died today you will never meet and never even knew existed while you've been alive?
PS: The same applies to myself which I was more than aware of as I passed in death at age 44 in my 2nd NDE I've had in my life. Just as I passed into death, I thought of all the people on this planet I'll never meet and who don't even know I exist, but I could hear the world outside my bedroom going on, as I passed into death and out of my body. It was more than humbling too, but also refreshing because I didn't have to worry about life's problems anymore, once out of my body.
@cruxader27 I could tell you but human minds aren't able to define 'nothing'. As far as we can ascertain, nothing exists beyond the known univserve, not even time, not space, not a solid, not emtipness, because that would be something. Mull that one over. Maybe it's a stop sign ? There's also nothing to suggest the universe is spherical. Cosmologists seem to favour a saddle shape for the moment.
@cameraguy38 i believe there would be a barrier and the gravitational pull of our universe would prevent us from escaping this universe. Besides, the universe is constantly expanding, If there existed a planet close enough towards the outer reaches and we developed some light speed ship. Its nothing but a theory...
@UNDIQUE01 even at light speed, it would still take billions of years to get there, and with the expansion constantly accelerating towards light speed itself we'd never actually be able to catch up to it.
i've come to see one of the most beautiful dedications on astronomy, to my expectation i wished to see positive comments, ironically, i only see arguing about atheist and theists. i dont care what you believe but the arguing is annoying, no one cares....
@xxnamelesslifexx Calling people retards on the internet and saying "your" instead of "you're" is like losing the special olympics, you're just a normal retard.
@willaspencer12 did i call anyone a retard? no. it was a metaphor. a damn good one too, since your grade school response just puts further emphasis on my point.
@xxnamelesslifexx I guess technically you didn't call anyone a retard because you can't use the word "your" like that. Even your so-called metaphor was good it wouldn't be a metaphor, that would be a simile. Nice try though.
@xxnamelesslifexx Oh and if you plan on continuing this argument (you shouldn't, I won) you might want to try some punctuation before calling my responses "grade school". :)
again, i post with revisions because your an anal cunt: arguing online is like winning the special olympics. even if you win, "you're" still a retard.
@xxnamelesslifexx You insult innocent people, you realise you've done wrong, but you're not man enough to retract your despicable use of the word 'retard'. What on earth is a retard anyway?! I'll tell you - its a narrow minded view of someone who has a mental disability, from the perspective of someone who considers themselves 'normal'. What an arrogant waste of space you must be. Does your bigotry stope there, or are there further depths to which you plummet?!
@xxnamelesslifexx I have a paralympian in my family, and I find your 'r' word an utter disgrace! Arent you lucky you were born 'perfect'. If anyone's a retard, its people who express views like yours! Fool!
It's curious that discussions about the universe often lead to the theme of religion. It develops an interesting debate, but they seem to me to be mutually contradictory subjects. People who introduce religion into matters of the universe seem to be making a - forgive me - feeble attempt to claim the science of physics as a religious phenomenon, and never really pull it off. I respect their faith and opinions, but it's like politics in a pop song: for some reason they don't really fit together.
@Volleymaster2 We = everyone with Self-consciousness, hence everyone that can pass the Mirror Test and that includes almost all Humans and Human Toddlers above the age of 18 months, Primates(Chimps, Gorillas, Bonobos, Orang-outangs and Humans), Dolphins and Elephants. Only the above creatures recognise themselves in the Mirror, hence it's argued that they fully bear Self-conciousness. Any other question?
let's say there is no evidence of "God" or the "creator", and science can not prove that.
now let's say that "you" had a "thought", it is real, you "thought" of a holiday. science can not prove that you had a "thought" of a holiday, but you know that the thought was real.
some things are too advanced for man made creation and thinking.
and that is the truth about God, the answers are inside "you". when you understand this, you realise that science is childsplay
to all below (astrofrk, hotdoh, j5marlon, neueregel):
everyone talks about "God" and "The Creator", but one fails to understand what "God" actually is. the universe has to have been created by something, naturally. it was not plucked up from "nothing" by "nobody". remembering "what" we truly are is the other obstacle that people face in this life, ie, we are a "soul" or "spirit", something which definitely exists and has higher conciousness.
science can not see, therefore science can not prove
Say for example, my friend and I hid a silver coin inside a box. Now, we make a survey and ask all people around the world if they believe a coin exists in the box or not.
Even if all people around the world said they don't believe a coin exists in the box, the truth is not affected by their numbers. My friend and I know the truth that a coin does exist because we hid it ourselves! So truth is not based on majority opinion.
@J5MARLON Good point. In the case of a creater, no one alive at least has seen the coin. That's why we call it "faith" because God cannot be proven or disproven and faith is required either way one goes. I believe that if science and religion do not coincide, something is flawed. Science is self correcting but it takes time. Religion can also change to an extent but not without conflict. If science is an annoying child, religion is a stubborn old man.
@astrofrk The child, as you said, learns over time...the old man went senile thousands of years ago; I hope he dies soon. Imagine what the child could do for this world with that asshole's money.
If one needs faith to NOT believe in god, then one needs faith to NOT believe that I can shoot fire from my eyes.
@hotdoh The old man can die. Man made religions have gone extinct before. And yet, we have always looked up and wondered like a child. One of the things that goes through the minds of many is the idea of a creater. Those thoughts came long before there were cathedrals, the earliest temples, or telescopes. Those thoughts will continue in the minds of children of all ages and you cannot change that! Does anyone believe you can shoot fire from your eyes? Read/watch Carl Sagan's "Contact".
@astrofrk It doesn't matter whether anyone believes that I have fire-eyes or not. If you believe it without evidence, then you're operating on faith; not believing it requires no faith, and religion is the same. That's all I meant.
"[The idea of a creator] will continue in the minds of children of all ages and you cannot change that!"
I wouldn't want to take away fantasy if I could, but we should all be aware that creator claims are unsupported.
@hotdoh Sure it matters. If you say you can shoot fire from your eyes and I don't believe it, that means I lack faith in you. To say the universe poped in from endropy requires more faith in endropy than I have. I never said I could support claims of a crator, read what I said. There is no scientific evidence of a creater, none whatsoever and I told you that. What gets you upset is that I added "And Yet..." Quote: "the old man went senile thousands of years ago; I hope he dies soon."
@astrofrk Not believing that I shoot fire from my eyes doesn't mean that you lack faith in me; it means that you lack belief, because there is no evidence. Religious belief is believed upon, as you say, no evidence.
I don't know what you mean with the "endropy" line, maybe you mean entropy, but that doesn't make sense to me either. I never made a claim about how the universe began, and I don't require faith, belief without evidence, to *not* believe in any gods.
@hotdoh I apologise, I shouldn't have said entropy. I was looking for the name of a rule in Quantum Mechanics that has a coin existing and not existing at the same time. No, you made no claim as to how the universe began. All any of us can do is guess. One might be wrong but anyone who doesn't try to answer the question at all cannot be right.
Bible, Quran, Mythology, Science, they all agree the universe came from chaos to some extent. The argumant is how did we get from there to now.
@astrofrk I'm not sure what you're talking about with QM or how this aspect of the theory relates to the creation of the universe and your views upon it; you'd have to be more specific. It seems as though you're bringing up something you don't understand just so you can say that you don't "have faith" in it. If you had looked at the evidence and considered it carefully, instead of ignorantly disparaging concepts you can't define, then you might have believed whatever you're belittling.
@hotdoh QM is difficult to understand and even harder to explain. Perhaps I should leave it to Stephen Hawking, maybe read "A Brief History of Time" again. I will admit, I have ADHD and if you can comprehend and remember all of it on the second read, you do better than I can.
@astrofrk "One might be wrong but anyone who doesn't try to answer the question at all cannot be right."
I agree 100%, yet you must admit that one who does not guess cannot be wrong, either.
My problem with any faith-based belief system, one that does not rely upon physical evidence and reasoned logic to differentiate between true and false claims made of reality.
Claims regarding the existence of gods are never based upon evidence and logic that will hold up against investigation.
@hotdoh I can respect that and I hope you can also respect my way of thinking, even if we don't always agree. It's a guess either way when one asks if there is/was a creator (a true agnostic would be the exception), it's that "faith" thing again.
@astrofrk Neither the Bible nor the Quran claim that the universe came from chaos. Both are monotheistic belief systems which agree on the point that there exists a single all-powerful/knowing/loving/present creator god. They go on to agree that this god simply exists, sometimes it's called "eternal" and others it's deemed "outside of time." This creator god is not "from" chaos, and with this god as the creator of our universe, your position only stands if this god is chaos itself.
@hotdoh OK, these books do not say the universe came from chaos, they couldn't if they teach creation, I stand corrected. However, I know the bible does say that we came from dust. Science agrees that we came from the dust of exploded stars. I think sometimes science and religion argue even when they don't need to. I will also be the first to agree with Galileo: "The bible tells you how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go!" I'm not a fundie and fundies of any faith make all look bad.
@astrofrk Both the Bible and the Quran are literally mythology, yet some myths do have the universe beginning from chaos.
Science does not have a good theory for "where the universe came from," if that is a meaningful question at all.
The Big Bang Theory describes the universe from the very tiniest moments after the universe existed. This is similar to how Evolution does not describe the arrival of life; that's abiogenesis.
@astrofrk Just because we don't actually understand (scientifically understand) the universe in its entirety does not mean that we should insert some culturally based religious understanding (making stuff up without evidence), most of which are, honestly, self-refuting in such simply ways that non-religious children can tear them apart.
"God sins and man doesn't, yet Jesus is both fully man and God."
"Sin exists because of free will; Heaven has no sin, so goodbye will!"
@hotdoh I agree. I do not believe Jesus was God (Theos) and if mainstream christians would read thier own bible, they would learn that Jesus never said that. I do not believe in the "Love me or I'll burn you forever" OT God. I don't even believe in Hell. I agree that you cannot have a Loving God who gives us freedom and have God as a baby killer damning most of humanity at the same time. I believe in God but not THAT God. I told you I am a Gnostic Christian and I don't refute science.
@astrofrk Actually, I do suppose not believing with no evidence would mean that you lack faith in me. I guess I was wrong there.
And yeah, I was a bit upset with what you said about wonder and children. It's as if you're stealing wonder for the glory of a creator, the origin of which is not the beginning of mankind. Many religions, especially the earlier polytheistic ones, do not have a creator god. The Greek religion which includes Zeus, for example, has reality born of "chaos."
@hotdoh It's just a differing interpretation of the word "faith". I see "Belief" and "Faith" as the same thing for the most part. One who has proof doesn't need to believe, they KNOW. Since I am a Gnostic Christian, I could take that line even further but I doubt you want to hear it. "Wonder" includes: How did the Universe get here? What is the purpose of the universe? What about me? These are questions we all ask, at least any "Thiest". Not easy questions to answer for any of us.
@astrofrk So, for you, having faith and believing in something both mean that there is no evidence? I don't like to define belief in this way, but I'll run with it for a moment.
"Proof," in the form of evidence and logic, can turn out to not support a position you once thought it did.
We had evidence of Newtonian laws of the physical world, and we had "proof" in the experimental tests that have been conducted over hundreds of years, but Einstein showed that motion isn't always Newtonian.
@hotdoh As I said: "Science is a child". If I can allow a creator without proof, I can forgive the kid for getting things wrong when it goes by proof only. Both science and religion are flawed because humanity is involved with both of them. I know God only to the extent that God wishes to reveal to me and that is specific to me. The evidence is for the individual (Gnosis), not others. I think God can be in many forms, this leaves room for other faiths as well, even other worlds.
I was born. I woke up with a family I love, ate, went to work, and will sleep safely tonight. I will one day die and cease to exist, because everything that "I" am literally is my body; when my body dies, I die. It will be a real death, not a live-forever-afterwords-and-not-actually-die one.
God had the recepie to get it started and pushed the button, but how? Is it possible that a creater came from nothing just as some say the universe came from nothing?
2. Purpose?
This is a Test, this is ONLY a Test. Had this been true reality, there would be no need for the test or for evil.
3. About me?
You are a computer program (think The Matrix). If you pass the test, you will find reality. If not... Delete!
@astrofrk A case for creator is a good read you should check it out sometime. there is a purpose for life and its not JUST a test. its more than that. Science paved my way to atheism and later paved my way to god and jesus. how ironic right? all modern science points to a creator.
@tonyproia1 Read it, own a copy. Been there, done that. No, not all modern science point to a creater but it doesn't discount one either. I used to be a minister and am an avid astronomer. The book has some very good stuff but it is biased.
@tonyproia1 creation science points to a creator - but the clue is in the title. Real science has no prerequisit like that - Also, despite many theistic claims, Science is not athiestic, but the lack of evidence for any concept will lead science to dismis any hypothesis, including the God hypothesis. So, dont kid yourself that you were a scientist then an athiest and then a theist; your journey as described, just isnt logical unless you accept you've always been theistic biased.
1. Magic, which, by definition, has no "how," because it's magic.
2. A test you say? Based upon which physical evidence or reasoned logic? Did Jesus initiate this test? If Jesus did, then, because "he" is all-knowing our results are already known, which renders the test worthless and without any meaning. (Let's put water to a "test" and see if it evaporates from the ocean into the sky...it simply must, because of the laws of nature "defined by Jesus." There is no test.)
1: Your opinion, not mine. Sounds like you are reverting back to personal shots. Not very scientific.
2: Jesus is not the Theos. Jesus did not create the test, the Theos did. The Theos is beyond understanding (Secret Gospel of John). Does it matter if God can see the future? If I was a teacher who could fortell which students would pass or fail my class, would it be fair to give out grades before anyone tried?
You're starting to sound like a discruntled mainstream christian.
1. Not very scientific? Seriously, are you serious? Magic?
2. If you were a teacher that could foretell the future, then I don't know why the hell you're a teacher instead of a magician making millions of dollars predicting the lottery...magic isn't real.
I'm sure we've both wasted too much of our time with this silliness.
***Either you provide *******EVIDENCE******* to back up the claim that *Jesus exists and is god,* or I will not respond to whatever it is that you say next.***
@hotdoh Didn't you read anything I wrote? I just told you my beliefs: Jesus is NOT God! Jesus never SAID he was God. I told you I am a Gnostic Christian. You are so brainwashed with stereotyping christians that you cannot even read. Why must I provide evidence for what I don't believe either? No, don't answer this because you are too biased
to comprehend what I am saying! I'm sorry if some mainstream christian hurt your feelings but you don't need to take it out on me!
3. If I am a computer program created by Jesus, then I am doomed by definition and have no ability to pass the "test." This renders my eternal torment a necessity, as well as your eternal bliss. The distinction is of Jesus and not of man....non-believers are doomed because of the decision of the creator.
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@MrApplesucksass This is one of the best enhanced versions of the NASA Tether footage I have found on youtube. It shows flightpaths of the objects and how they not only change course, but one even does a full U turn at one point. This video uncovers a lot of things you might not notice in the original footage, and he explains a lot in the description as well.
"Since Sheikh Muszaphar is a Muslim, and as his time in space coincided with the last part of Ramadan, the Islamic National Fatwa Council drew up the first comprehensive guidebook for Muslims in space. The 18-page guidebook is titled "Guidelines for Performing Islamic Rites (Ibadah) at the International Space Station". Google Sheikh Muszaphar (continued)
.. and details issues such as how to pray in a low-gravity environment, how to locate Mecca from the ISS, how to determine prayer times, and issues surrounding fasting. The orbit of the ISS results in one day/night cycle every 90 minutes, so the issues of fasting during Ramadan are also addressed. The guidebook will be translated into Russian, Arabic, and English. Google Sheikh Muszaphar
This is all the proof you Need of a god.
TheTrenchface 2 days ago
3:57 what are those green dots?
Dregoro 3 days ago
Oh how I wish I could live to see humanity conquer the stars, see other civilizations, other evolutionary paths just a little further down the path of discovery. Its a shame some people don't appreciate the awe inspiring nature of the universe and the privilege it is to admire it however briefly.
jlc012 1 week ago
And we think OUR world is big..
narayanlefty 3 weeks ago 3
In my opinion if there is a god, it's something that we would never imagine it to be. Not your typical Christian, Catholic, Hindu, Islam, ect.... god.
eddysvideos33 4 weeks ago 2
Absolutely beautiful, amazing and wonderful! We are nothing in the universe. Our life is a great miracle!
OverdownOfficial 1 month ago
@OverdownOfficial "Our life is a great miracle!"
no it isn't. a miracle is something which could not happen naturally or via any natural agency. our being here is no miracle.
Rabsputin 2 weeks ago in playlist Awesome Shit
@princess46113 You should,because knowledge is power.
voogun 1 month ago
We used telescopes to see and map this. Chuck Norris used his video camera
1roxylinkinparklover 1 month ago
3:08 -> Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and the Anti Spiral clashing.
DarkChaosSilver 1 month ago
Good video
siriusstar10000 1 month ago
Beautiful ^^
louielouie11224 1 month ago
Due to the fact that we are such an insignificant tiny particle in the universe, the extreme arrogance and ignorance of mankind is really remarkable!
Mislikcim 1 month ago in playlist Space 12
@Mislikcim yeah..
yupiie 2 weeks ago
This is amazing!.
Rebublic100 1 month ago
There's always a guy who abuses the comments section
r0galik 1 month ago
Wooo suck my dick! The universe doesn't care. existence is amoral...
RAIDEN!! TURN DA GAME OFF NOW! HARI KARI SQUID.
I NEED SCISSORS! 69! Ooooo OOOOO AHHH AHHH AHHHHH!!!! (Monkeeeeeeey)
AUUUGGGHHHRGHHHHH my MIIIIIIIIIIND!!!!! Some1 STOOOLE my SWEETROLL!! ARRGHH!
TaePoDongIII 2 months ago
What a trip and without any stuff for mind control, thought it would have been even better, just kidding great graphics better when viewed in full screen.
Lakota60 2 months ago
I Clicked The Snow Icon Know It's Snowing in Space ;D
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why is the center of this map at 3:13 is more denser than the outer regions? shouldnt the universe has to be roughly the same density all around?
OrCkHaNtheGrEaT 2 months ago
If this doesn't make our earth-bound squabbles seem stupid and pointless in the grand scale of things, I don't know what does.
Qrawzseg 2 months ago
To all the scared, closed minded, head in the sand people, please Google "NASA tether video". Tell me after this that UFOs arent real, or that they probably have other then human lifeforms controlling them.
CWBou812 2 months ago
People are saying that watching this makes them feel insignifigant. I on the other hand feel privledged to be ALLOWED to live amongst the monstrosity that is our universe :)
VexanieZinovia 2 months ago
@VexanieZinovia Monstrosity?! Surely, you mean Enormity?!
ianww8 2 months ago
We're definitely alone. There isn't enough space for the egos of another human-like species.
kemup 2 months ago
watch in full screen hd
kantfail 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ScienceMagazine
My penis is bigger than all this trolololol
MightyJustas 2 months ago
When I was born, the universe was created. When I die, the universe will be destroyed.
jfoley715 2 months ago
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today i was wondering which way was really up and how far i would have to walk to be on top of the universe.
and then i saw this.
LOL
kodikai123 2 months ago
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kodikai123 2 months ago
Some amazing comments on this truly humbling video.. When I'm super high I like to watch this to remind me that we are all one of the same the universe even looks like a brain and arterys of pure light and beauty which in truth is our essence!! All give your selves a pat on the back for being able to experience this wonderful universe with each over.. The love vibrations can't be stopped by capitalist scum bankers and governments!! We are the universe....
Jordman1980 2 months ago
" You know!! our Universe in its grandeur and splendor, allows me to enjoy life and DNA. Thanks Universe! for bringing on your trip as part of you, and the journey continues like an Eternity! "
paquirryify 2 months ago
The Big Bang: 13.7 billion years ago.
In dog years: 95.9 billion years ago.
In Christian years: 6000 years ago after god farted.
MrTimJr 2 months ago 2
That's weird... I didn't see god anywhere...
c0unterph0bia 3 months ago
Lucky camera guy!
jacf1020 3 months ago 2
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And we think our WORLD is big....
narayanlefty 3 months ago
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We as humans are the only ones aware of our mortality we may be small compared to space but think about it out if all the trillions upon trillions of stars at least one blew up leaving the building blocks for life to begin on other planets we are not the ones there are others we just haven't found them yet
Cypher785 3 months ago
If we are looking the past, I suppose we can´t map the actual universe. And how can scientists discover the exact "mark zero" of the Big Bang if all around the cosmic radiation comes from and all around we see the past? Am I wrong or astronomers are mapping just the past not the actual universe? If the astronomers find same "baby universe" galaxies in the opposite side of our "mapped" universe, does that mean we are only looking to a kinda "convex" point not to a bubble like universe?
mauricera 3 months ago
@mauricera I'll try to answer, because I presume your questions are sincere,and not a troller's questions! Firstly, everything we see in space, is in the past. Even the light we receive from the surface of our Sun is 8 Minutes old by the time it reaches earth, so scale that up with the distances of our galaxy and beyond, then yes - EVERYTHING thats visible out there, happened in the past. As for seeing 'baby universe galaxy' - I'm not sure I understand your question.
ianww8 2 months ago
@ianww8 > Let´s review my question. If the Astronomers found "Near" big bang galaxies in different directions of the visible sky, how could an explosion, as I know, happened from a "zero point" ? We should see those "baby" galaxies so far 14 billions in the same direction, think about that. I know my question is kinda strange, but last week a great scientist here failed triyng to answer it . In a first moment it seems to be a first degreee student question.
mauricera 2 months ago
@mauricera I still dont understand your question I'm really sorry.I dont understand what you mean by 'big bang' galaxies either. Are you questioning the big bang theory, if you are, then are you aware that whilst been the best fit explanation for the evidence thats observed, its not entirely complete - hence why its still a scientific theory, not a law. In a bid to understand your logic and perspective here, may I ask, are you a creationist?
ianww8 2 months ago
@ianww8 > Part 2:> You can find at Google a diagram in "cone" form of the Big Bang explanation made by the astronomers of the Chandra. Try to explain me how can they be right so if they were we were seeing the border of the inflation in one side (or nothing because it would be the "future" and the "zero" point if the Big Bang was like they agree. But by themselves controversial data show us near Big Bang (after the dark age) the first galaxies in more than one direction. Think about it.
mauricera 2 months ago
@mauricera Again, I dont understand what youre talking about I'm sorry! Clearly, I cant explain something I dont know what youre referring to. You mention big bang and inflation here. Forgive my asking, but do you realise they are two hypothesese for how the universe developed after its initiation?! As for 'dark age'... again, not a term Im familiar with sorry, and I dont understand your question, so I cant think about it further - please clarify, and I'll do my best to answer.
ianww8 2 months ago
@mauricera Part 3(last one guys)> "In one point, at something around 14 billions years ago, an event had occur, called the Big Bang". The scientists explain us that we are in the final borders of the "cone" of that explosion. How can that be true if we find evidences of that truth if we can "see" with our instruments, here or out there in space galaxies of the creation of the universe in opposite directions? ?
mauricera 2 months ago
@mauricera Again, forgive me, but your questions are difficult to understand. First of all, Big bang theory is the 'best fit' explanation for the evidece of observation, BUT, its incomplete and not yet regarded as scientific fact. There are other counter theories, such as theory of Inflation - but it fits less well than big bang at this time. We are yet to establish which of these(if any) are correct. As for your question of seeing galaxies in opposite directions to the earth (Cont)
ianww8 2 months ago
@mauricera Continued #2# - you need to realise that the difference of 'opposite direction' you imply does not take into account the vastness of space, and the perspective of even the opposite sides of the orbit of the earth around the sun will not change our perspective sufficeintly for even the nearest galaxy to ours look anything other than a fraction different to our other viewpoints on our orbit around the sun.
ianww8 2 months ago
@ianww8 Thanks for answering. But again, I think you didi not understand my question. When an explosion occurs (everywhere as the Big Bang theory accepts), but started by one single point, then after millions matter came, then afte millions and billions the first galaxies. Those first galaxies supposed to be seem in one direction only, can you understand what I mean? Scientists still detect those first galaxies in opposite directions. How? As I saw an explosion...
mauricera 2 months ago
@mauricera Youre welcome! I hope to help! Are you asking, why do some galaxies spin in opposite direction to others, if the matter that formed them came from a singularity?! If so, then that could explained by the fact that its gravity that determines which way a solar system or a galaxy rotates. Explosions like you've seen on earth are subject to the gravity imposed by earth, but not so 'explosions' in the vacum of space, so the effects will be different in any case. Does that help?
ianww8 2 months ago
@ianww8 ...When you see an explosion matter deviates in all directions. If from Earth point of view whe no longer "see" after ~14b l/y , why can´t whe find the "first galaxies of Big Bang" in only one direction and the "border" of the Big Bang in the others? Milk way is very far from the intial bang, right? Forget creation, maths, space/time, just simple. Why the scientist detect the first galaxies of the visual universe in more than one direction if they should come from the same place?
mauricera 2 months ago
@mauricera We cant see 'the border' of big bang, because if big bang is correct, then the edge of the universe will be that 'border'. We cannot see anywhere near as far as the edge of our universe, even with the Hubble telescope. I'm not aware that the point of origin of the big bang has ever been calculated, or indeed could be calculated given that so much has happened since it is thought to have occurred. Hope that helps!
ianww8 2 months ago
@ianww8 Ian, you are right in yours first letters, we suppose to be at the border or even it seems to be strange, near the border, with some galaxies older or even newer than ours but more ahead because the inflation theory. But if in the first point you understood me, if we would be at the border of the explosion, how are the Virgo Cluster (our base point in the visible universe map) could be placed at the center of this map? ...Thanks
mauricera 1 month ago
@mauricera I'm sorry, I dont understand your question. Look for books, videos etc from Lawrence Krauss - he's one of the worlds leading astrophysisists - who explains it all beautifully. Try this YT Video for starters: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
ianww8 1 month ago
@ianww8 Beside the speed of light, we should see the border of the explosion, it´s center and the borders, whatever it 14 bl/y ago or ahead.
mauricera 1 month ago
@mauricera Ask yourself... How can you see any of the original 'big bang'' if its moving away from us at the speed of light. Some physisists predict that the boundaries of the universe is travelling beyond the speed of light, but Im not an astro physisist so I'm not the best one to explain that to you. This is an interesting YT video from one of the leading Cosmologists of today - it might explain things better for you than I ever could: /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
ianww8 1 month ago
@ianww8 Ian, thanks for help, I know the subject cannot be answered in a simple way, but I don´t want to scape from my question, I´m not a "starter", but try to imagine what I say from the first comment... How could the scientists localized galaxies wich were formed in the begining of the visible universe, but in more than one direction ? They should be at same "place" of one side, whatever space expanding speed, or aeons, and then we should "see" nothing more than the border in another.
mauricera 1 month ago
@mauricera I have tried to answer that one for you - if you watch that video link on you tube, it specifically covers it in diagramatic form. You cant post links to these IM boxes, but you'll find Lawrence Krauss, if you go to: w w w . youtube . com /watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
ianww8 1 month ago
@mauricera ~2~ Failing that, search this on You Tube - same video: 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009
ianww8 1 month ago
@ianww8 Thanks, gonna watch it
mauricera 3 weeks ago
Woowwwwww i love this video
Diosdeluniverse 3 months ago
only one word wow...
bollo411 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ScienceMagazine
just wow...
TheTeamers 4 months ago
Very cool.
lastmortal 4 months ago
Woah
megaearplugger 4 months ago
Stuff like this actually depresses me a little; makes me feel utterly insignificant.
We humans are so egocentric. We really think that everything revolves around us (figuratively speaking, of course). And yet, even if the entire human race gets wiped out in one instant, the universe will still just go on as always...
It's a bit much for me to consider sometimes...
UrielCorinthian 4 months ago 21
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ikr? this type of stuff deppresses me too.........deppression hurts, cymbalta can help (some-lass commercial i saw in tv lol)
ElitePredatorify 4 months ago
@UrielCorinthian "makes me feel utterly insignificant."
in the grand scheme of things, most things are utterly insignificant, even the largest of stars, but on our level things might be very different.
this is all about perspective.
Rabsputin 3 months ago
@UrielCorinthian I disagree, I believe the exact opposite for the exact same reason. The universe will go on with or without us, our significance or lack there of means nothing. There will always be a future no matter what we do, maybe not for us, but for the universe. Another chance for something amazing to happen every second, I am proud to be part of that right now, and even if I died today, I would die proud to have been part of something as amazing as our universe.
OrangeTang666 3 months ago
@OrangeTang666 But wouldn't you like to believe that your life has some meaning? Even if not inherently, then perhaps some form of forced or created meaning? To me it almost sounds like you're saying that you're just happy to be a gear in the machine...?
UrielCorinthian 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian Not at all. I don't think I'm just a gear in the machine as you put it, to assume that would be to assume that there is a machine for which we serve. The universe is the universe, with or without us, and it is just something that we should be happy to be a part of and be able to add to. Its not that people don't have meaning, its that we create our own meaning for ourselves. If I'm not happy with my life, I can choose to change it and be happy from that.
OrangeTang666 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian Interesting that that actually has the opposite effect on me. I find it comforting.
Aprilshowersss 3 months ago 9
@Aprilshowersss It's awesome that people can have polar opposite reactions to the exact same thing :) But, if you don't mind me asking - could you explain that comfort to me? Why is it that you find it comforting and I find it, in a word, terrifying?
UrielCorinthian 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian Part of the comfort to be found in this fact can be the freedom from cosmic responsibility. While our lives are important to us, and human events matter a great deal to us as humans, when things get really intense, scary, and difficult, it can be refreshing to take a step back, start thinking cosmically and realize that we are just a cosmic burp. None of it really matters in the end. Win or fail, galaxies will still turn. Cont…
Aprilshowersss 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian Pt 2 Its difficult to get the point across briefly. But maybe one way to simplifying it would be that some people feel that humans are or should be important and have great meaning, and the fact that we are not is depressing. Others feel that the idea of humans being so important and our actions really mattering is overwhelming or confusing or something like that, and the fact that we are free to be imperfect humans is a relief.
Aprilshowersss 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian I agree that we are utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but to ourselves and to each other, NOTHING can be more significant.
Your time here is extremely limited so you might as well enjoy yourself in a positive way. The religious can't accept that so they create an afterlife which comforts them.
Unfortunately for them, they're going to miss out on the only chance they get to live. RIGHT NOW!!
MrTimJr 2 months ago
@MrTimJr Fully agree with you too. I find it very sad that people "invest" so much in something that they merely believe to be waiting for them in the future, but have no tangible evidence of, rather than living & enjoying what they have right now. It's essentially giving up life for something you hope would exist after life. I just get overwhelmed by all the hatred, sadness and corruption most of the time. I worry about these things, but videos like this make me doubt everything, you know?
UrielCorinthian 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian The universe may be vast, but that doesn't mean it's intelligent. Sure it would continue to exist if we died, but that doesn't mean anything.
superearthbender 2 months ago
@superearthbender No, absolutely - we're on the same page here. I'm not claiming that the universe is intelligent in any way or that it has "a plan" of some sorts. But my point is exactly that - it would go on, whether or not we're here, and THAT'S what I find to be rather depressing - that confirmation that the human species is utterly insignificant.
UrielCorinthian 2 months ago
@UrielCorinthian We're a product of the system the universe exists within, we are a part of it. It is not intelligent by itself, and therefore the furthering of its existence and the passing of time are not processed under a meaning other than the simplicity that it "exists". For you to say something is "significant" or has a meaning, you must develop that idea out of a human system.
You're associating two different systems. Nothing means anything unless you say it does.
superearthbender 2 months ago
Well, put that in a more immediate reality to your existence. When you die, the Earth goes on without you as well and when you die, the other 6 billion people on the Earth aren't even aware you left, let alone knew that you lived. Just because we all fail to see this absolute truth has never changed for the dearly departed who preceded us. Think of all the people who died today you will never meet and never even knew existed while you've been alive?
TheAstroboy9 2 months ago in playlist Science, New and Old
PS: The same applies to myself which I was more than aware of as I passed in death at age 44 in my 2nd NDE I've had in my life. Just as I passed into death, I thought of all the people on this planet I'll never meet and who don't even know I exist, but I could hear the world outside my bedroom going on, as I passed into death and out of my body. It was more than humbling too, but also refreshing because I didn't have to worry about life's problems anymore, once out of my body.
TheAstroboy9 2 months ago in playlist Science, New and Old
@UrielCorinthian i get excited about how much we need to do, then mad at the serious short fall of our leaders around the world
ElHasZardo 2 months ago
Did I just break the light barrier? Take that physics!
Sirenhound 5 months ago
@Sirenhound You must be a neutrino!
luclfersangel616 5 months ago
so what's outside the spherical universe? i still believe in infinity but i wonder whats still beyond there
cruxader27 5 months ago
@cruxader27 I could tell you but human minds aren't able to define 'nothing'. As far as we can ascertain, nothing exists beyond the known univserve, not even time, not space, not a solid, not emtipness, because that would be something. Mull that one over. Maybe it's a stop sign ? There's also nothing to suggest the universe is spherical. Cosmologists seem to favour a saddle shape for the moment.
cameraguy38 5 months ago
@cameraguy38 what do you mean by time? i'm still confused about it..there is no seconds, minutes and even hours beyond the universe?
cruxader27 5 months ago
@cameraguy38 i believe there would be a barrier and the gravitational pull of our universe would prevent us from escaping this universe. Besides, the universe is constantly expanding, If there existed a planet close enough towards the outer reaches and we developed some light speed ship. Its nothing but a theory...
UNDIQUE01 4 months ago
@UNDIQUE01 even at light speed, it would still take billions of years to get there, and with the expansion constantly accelerating towards light speed itself we'd never actually be able to catch up to it.
Rabsputin 3 months ago
Hansd up every sucker that thinks we are alone and with the attetion of some deity ;)
nortuber 5 months ago
The universe is HUGE!!!!!
Taco1011 5 months ago
16 philistine viewed the video
nononsenseinrational 6 months ago
3:33 I think I am lost
5:05 Okay I am going home
landship92 6 months ago
i've come to see one of the most beautiful dedications on astronomy, to my expectation i wished to see positive comments, ironically, i only see arguing about atheist and theists. i dont care what you believe but the arguing is annoying, no one cares....
firefrostpeacemaker 6 months ago
arguing online is like winning the special olympics. even if you win, your still a retard.
xxnamelesslifexx 6 months ago 11
@xxnamelesslifexx youre*
TheCombineoverwatch 5 months ago
@xxnamelesslifexx Calling people retards on the internet and saying "your" instead of "you're" is like losing the special olympics, you're just a normal retard.
willaspencer12 2 months ago
@willaspencer12 did i call anyone a retard? no. it was a metaphor. a damn good one too, since your grade school response just puts further emphasis on my point.
xxnamelesslifexx 2 months ago
@xxnamelesslifexx I guess technically you didn't call anyone a retard because you can't use the word "your" like that. Even your so-called metaphor was good it wouldn't be a metaphor, that would be a simile. Nice try though.
willaspencer12 2 months ago
@xxnamelesslifexx Oh and if you plan on continuing this argument (you shouldn't, I won) you might want to try some punctuation before calling my responses "grade school". :)
willaspencer12 2 months ago
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again, i post with revisions because your an anal cunt: arguing online is like winning the special olympics. even if you win, "you're" still a retard.
xxnamelesslifexx 2 months ago
@xxnamelesslifexx And clearly, you're a loud mouthed bigot!
ianww8 2 months ago
@xxnamelesslifexx You insult innocent people, you realise you've done wrong, but you're not man enough to retract your despicable use of the word 'retard'. What on earth is a retard anyway?! I'll tell you - its a narrow minded view of someone who has a mental disability, from the perspective of someone who considers themselves 'normal'. What an arrogant waste of space you must be. Does your bigotry stope there, or are there further depths to which you plummet?!
ianww8 2 months ago
@xxnamelesslifexx I have a paralympian in my family, and I find your 'r' word an utter disgrace! Arent you lucky you were born 'perfect'. If anyone's a retard, its people who express views like yours! Fool!
ianww8 2 months ago
It's curious that discussions about the universe often lead to the theme of religion. It develops an interesting debate, but they seem to me to be mutually contradictory subjects. People who introduce religion into matters of the universe seem to be making a - forgive me - feeble attempt to claim the science of physics as a religious phenomenon, and never really pull it off. I respect their faith and opinions, but it's like politics in a pop song: for some reason they don't really fit together.
Snidebark 6 months ago in playlist Cosmographia
you are amazing!!
claudithecool 7 months ago
What the hell are you two talking about?
Buuub08 7 months ago
Astrofrk is retarded.
hotdoh 7 months ago
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@Volleymaster2 We = everyone with Self-consciousness, hence everyone that can pass the Mirror Test and that includes almost all Humans and Human Toddlers above the age of 18 months, Primates(Chimps, Gorillas, Bonobos, Orang-outangs and Humans), Dolphins and Elephants. Only the above creatures recognise themselves in the Mirror, hence it's argued that they fully bear Self-conciousness. Any other question?
Neueregel 7 months ago
let's put this in simple terms:
let's say there is no evidence of "God" or the "creator", and science can not prove that.
now let's say that "you" had a "thought", it is real, you "thought" of a holiday. science can not prove that you had a "thought" of a holiday, but you know that the thought was real.
some things are too advanced for man made creation and thinking.
and that is the truth about God, the answers are inside "you". when you understand this, you realise that science is childsplay
Volleymaster2 7 months ago
to all below (astrofrk, hotdoh, j5marlon, neueregel):
everyone talks about "God" and "The Creator", but one fails to understand what "God" actually is. the universe has to have been created by something, naturally. it was not plucked up from "nothing" by "nobody". remembering "what" we truly are is the other obstacle that people face in this life, ie, we are a "soul" or "spirit", something which definitely exists and has higher conciousness.
science can not see, therefore science can not prove
Volleymaster2 7 months ago
Say for example, my friend and I hid a silver coin inside a box. Now, we make a survey and ask all people around the world if they believe a coin exists in the box or not.
Even if all people around the world said they don't believe a coin exists in the box, the truth is not affected by their numbers. My friend and I know the truth that a coin does exist because we hid it ourselves! So truth is not based on majority opinion.
J5MARLON 7 months ago
@J5MARLON Good point. In the case of a creater, no one alive at least has seen the coin. That's why we call it "faith" because God cannot be proven or disproven and faith is required either way one goes. I believe that if science and religion do not coincide, something is flawed. Science is self correcting but it takes time. Religion can also change to an extent but not without conflict. If science is an annoying child, religion is a stubborn old man.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk The child, as you said, learns over time...the old man went senile thousands of years ago; I hope he dies soon. Imagine what the child could do for this world with that asshole's money.
If one needs faith to NOT believe in god, then one needs faith to NOT believe that I can shoot fire from my eyes.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh The old man can die. Man made religions have gone extinct before. And yet, we have always looked up and wondered like a child. One of the things that goes through the minds of many is the idea of a creater. Those thoughts came long before there were cathedrals, the earliest temples, or telescopes. Those thoughts will continue in the minds of children of all ages and you cannot change that! Does anyone believe you can shoot fire from your eyes? Read/watch Carl Sagan's "Contact".
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk It doesn't matter whether anyone believes that I have fire-eyes or not. If you believe it without evidence, then you're operating on faith; not believing it requires no faith, and religion is the same. That's all I meant.
"[The idea of a creator] will continue in the minds of children of all ages and you cannot change that!"
I wouldn't want to take away fantasy if I could, but we should all be aware that creator claims are unsupported.
I'll check out anything from Sagan. :)
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh Sure it matters. If you say you can shoot fire from your eyes and I don't believe it, that means I lack faith in you. To say the universe poped in from endropy requires more faith in endropy than I have. I never said I could support claims of a crator, read what I said. There is no scientific evidence of a creater, none whatsoever and I told you that. What gets you upset is that I added "And Yet..." Quote: "the old man went senile thousands of years ago; I hope he dies soon."
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk Not believing that I shoot fire from my eyes doesn't mean that you lack faith in me; it means that you lack belief, because there is no evidence. Religious belief is believed upon, as you say, no evidence.
I don't know what you mean with the "endropy" line, maybe you mean entropy, but that doesn't make sense to me either. I never made a claim about how the universe began, and I don't require faith, belief without evidence, to *not* believe in any gods.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh I apologise, I shouldn't have said entropy. I was looking for the name of a rule in Quantum Mechanics that has a coin existing and not existing at the same time. No, you made no claim as to how the universe began. All any of us can do is guess. One might be wrong but anyone who doesn't try to answer the question at all cannot be right.
Bible, Quran, Mythology, Science, they all agree the universe came from chaos to some extent. The argumant is how did we get from there to now.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk I'm not sure what you're talking about with QM or how this aspect of the theory relates to the creation of the universe and your views upon it; you'd have to be more specific. It seems as though you're bringing up something you don't understand just so you can say that you don't "have faith" in it. If you had looked at the evidence and considered it carefully, instead of ignorantly disparaging concepts you can't define, then you might have believed whatever you're belittling.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh QM is difficult to understand and even harder to explain. Perhaps I should leave it to Stephen Hawking, maybe read "A Brief History of Time" again. I will admit, I have ADHD and if you can comprehend and remember all of it on the second read, you do better than I can.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk "One might be wrong but anyone who doesn't try to answer the question at all cannot be right."
I agree 100%, yet you must admit that one who does not guess cannot be wrong, either.
My problem with any faith-based belief system, one that does not rely upon physical evidence and reasoned logic to differentiate between true and false claims made of reality.
Claims regarding the existence of gods are never based upon evidence and logic that will hold up against investigation.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh I can respect that and I hope you can also respect my way of thinking, even if we don't always agree. It's a guess either way when one asks if there is/was a creator (a true agnostic would be the exception), it's that "faith" thing again.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk Neither the Bible nor the Quran claim that the universe came from chaos. Both are monotheistic belief systems which agree on the point that there exists a single all-powerful/knowing/loving/present creator god. They go on to agree that this god simply exists, sometimes it's called "eternal" and others it's deemed "outside of time." This creator god is not "from" chaos, and with this god as the creator of our universe, your position only stands if this god is chaos itself.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh OK, these books do not say the universe came from chaos, they couldn't if they teach creation, I stand corrected. However, I know the bible does say that we came from dust. Science agrees that we came from the dust of exploded stars. I think sometimes science and religion argue even when they don't need to. I will also be the first to agree with Galileo: "The bible tells you how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go!" I'm not a fundie and fundies of any faith make all look bad.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk Both the Bible and the Quran are literally mythology, yet some myths do have the universe beginning from chaos.
Science does not have a good theory for "where the universe came from," if that is a meaningful question at all.
The Big Bang Theory describes the universe from the very tiniest moments after the universe existed. This is similar to how Evolution does not describe the arrival of life; that's abiogenesis.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@astrofrk Just because we don't actually understand (scientifically understand) the universe in its entirety does not mean that we should insert some culturally based religious understanding (making stuff up without evidence), most of which are, honestly, self-refuting in such simply ways that non-religious children can tear them apart.
"God sins and man doesn't, yet Jesus is both fully man and God."
"Sin exists because of free will; Heaven has no sin, so goodbye will!"
God's freedom?
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh I agree. I do not believe Jesus was God (Theos) and if mainstream christians would read thier own bible, they would learn that Jesus never said that. I do not believe in the "Love me or I'll burn you forever" OT God. I don't even believe in Hell. I agree that you cannot have a Loving God who gives us freedom and have God as a baby killer damning most of humanity at the same time. I believe in God but not THAT God. I told you I am a Gnostic Christian and I don't refute science.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk Actually, I do suppose not believing with no evidence would mean that you lack faith in me. I guess I was wrong there.
And yeah, I was a bit upset with what you said about wonder and children. It's as if you're stealing wonder for the glory of a creator, the origin of which is not the beginning of mankind. Many religions, especially the earlier polytheistic ones, do not have a creator god. The Greek religion which includes Zeus, for example, has reality born of "chaos."
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh It's just a differing interpretation of the word "faith". I see "Belief" and "Faith" as the same thing for the most part. One who has proof doesn't need to believe, they KNOW. Since I am a Gnostic Christian, I could take that line even further but I doubt you want to hear it. "Wonder" includes: How did the Universe get here? What is the purpose of the universe? What about me? These are questions we all ask, at least any "Thiest". Not easy questions to answer for any of us.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk So, for you, having faith and believing in something both mean that there is no evidence? I don't like to define belief in this way, but I'll run with it for a moment.
"Proof," in the form of evidence and logic, can turn out to not support a position you once thought it did.
We had evidence of Newtonian laws of the physical world, and we had "proof" in the experimental tests that have been conducted over hundreds of years, but Einstein showed that motion isn't always Newtonian.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@astrofrk Relativity showed that Newtonian laws of motion don't work well at large masses or energies.
We had a LOT of physical evidence and reasoned logic supporting Newtonian motion, yet applying those laws to large numbers failed.
Yet you claim that you KNOW, for certain, that a specific sort of god exists, but you haven't provided even one single tiny piece of evidence.
People can misinterpret evidence and view reality incorrectly, but not nearly so much as one who doesn't use evidence.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh As I said: "Science is a child". If I can allow a creator without proof, I can forgive the kid for getting things wrong when it goes by proof only. Both science and religion are flawed because humanity is involved with both of them. I know God only to the extent that God wishes to reveal to me and that is specific to me. The evidence is for the individual (Gnosis), not others. I think God can be in many forms, this leaves room for other faiths as well, even other worlds.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk
Those questions are very easy for me to answer.
1. Origins of the Universe?
I dunno.
2. Purpose of the universe?
We haven't established that there is a purpose.
3. What about me?
I was born. I woke up with a family I love, ate, went to work, and will sleep safely tonight. I will one day die and cease to exist, because everything that "I" am literally is my body; when my body dies, I die. It will be a real death, not a live-forever-afterwords-and-not-actually-die one.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@astrofrk
If you believe that the Bible is inspired by Yahweh / Jesus / Ghost, then these questions are even easier to answer!
1. Origins of the Universe?
God did it! ...and don't ask me about the origin of this god.
2. Purpose?
To worship God; he was lonely before us and needed entertainment.
3. About me?
Either kiss ass forever or be tortured forever.
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh Let me speak for myself please:
1. Origins of the Universe?
God had the recepie to get it started and pushed the button, but how? Is it possible that a creater came from nothing just as some say the universe came from nothing?
2. Purpose?
This is a Test, this is ONLY a Test. Had this been true reality, there would be no need for the test or for evil.
3. About me?
You are a computer program (think The Matrix). If you pass the test, you will find reality. If not... Delete!
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk A case for creator is a good read you should check it out sometime. there is a purpose for life and its not JUST a test. its more than that. Science paved my way to atheism and later paved my way to god and jesus. how ironic right? all modern science points to a creator.
tonyproia1 7 months ago
@tonyproia1 Read it, own a copy. Been there, done that. No, not all modern science point to a creater but it doesn't discount one either. I used to be a minister and am an avid astronomer. The book has some very good stuff but it is biased.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@tonyproia1 creation science points to a creator - but the clue is in the title. Real science has no prerequisit like that - Also, despite many theistic claims, Science is not athiestic, but the lack of evidence for any concept will lead science to dismis any hypothesis, including the God hypothesis. So, dont kid yourself that you were a scientist then an athiest and then a theist; your journey as described, just isnt logical unless you accept you've always been theistic biased.
ianww8 2 months ago
@astrofrk
1. Magic, which, by definition, has no "how," because it's magic.
2. A test you say? Based upon which physical evidence or reasoned logic? Did Jesus initiate this test? If Jesus did, then, because "he" is all-knowing our results are already known, which renders the test worthless and without any meaning. (Let's put water to a "test" and see if it evaporates from the ocean into the sky...it simply must, because of the laws of nature "defined by Jesus." There is no test.)
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh
1: Your opinion, not mine. Sounds like you are reverting back to personal shots. Not very scientific.
2: Jesus is not the Theos. Jesus did not create the test, the Theos did. The Theos is beyond understanding (Secret Gospel of John). Does it matter if God can see the future? If I was a teacher who could fortell which students would pass or fail my class, would it be fair to give out grades before anyone tried?
You're starting to sound like a discruntled mainstream christian.
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk
1. Not very scientific? Seriously, are you serious? Magic?
2. If you were a teacher that could foretell the future, then I don't know why the hell you're a teacher instead of a magician making millions of dollars predicting the lottery...magic isn't real.
I'm sure we've both wasted too much of our time with this silliness.
***Either you provide *******EVIDENCE******* to back up the claim that *Jesus exists and is god,* or I will not respond to whatever it is that you say next.***
hotdoh 7 months ago
@hotdoh Didn't you read anything I wrote? I just told you my beliefs: Jesus is NOT God! Jesus never SAID he was God. I told you I am a Gnostic Christian. You are so brainwashed with stereotyping christians that you cannot even read. Why must I provide evidence for what I don't believe either? No, don't answer this because you are too biased
to comprehend what I am saying! I'm sorry if some mainstream christian hurt your feelings but you don't need to take it out on me!
astrofrk 7 months ago
@astrofrk
3. If I am a computer program created by Jesus, then I am doomed by definition and have no ability to pass the "test." This renders my eternal torment a necessity, as well as your eternal bliss. The distinction is of Jesus and not of man....non-believers are doomed because of the decision of the creator.
This is simply nonsensical bullshit.
Romans 9:21-23
hotdoh 7 months ago
This is so beautiful. Thanks
SuperMrAtheist 7 months ago
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@SuperMrAtheist You are the one acting as a child, trolling everybody.
J5MARLON 7 months ago
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this is beyond my imagination!
vincedavid24 7 months ago
instead of proving each other god exist or not just enjoy whatever you see the life as and the video
rrookie28 7 months ago
If this doesnt change your perspective of life,then I dont know what will.
wigwambam 7 months ago 2
Did any1 see a floating dude in white dress and flip flops just above earth?
no?
Neither did I, God doesnt exist, prove me wrong religious morons.
ASFALT21 7 months ago
@ASFALT21 thats not how religion works you ignorant fuck
LukeModzier 7 months ago
@LukeModzier beliving something that doesnt exist? Sorry but thats called being mentally ill and should be treated medically.
ASFALT21 7 months ago
@ASFALT21 stfu
AllThingsKen 7 months ago
the observer effect at its greatest scale
Rahpido 7 months ago
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daelohmen 7 months ago
@CWBou812
Dear sir
Your a douche bag
Yours Sincerely
A person who understands that not everything one hears or sees is real.
MrApplesucksass 7 months ago
@MrApplesucksass Dear moron, google "nasa tether video", then go ahead and try opening your sad little mind, for once.
CWBou812 2 months ago
@MrApplesucksass This is one of the best enhanced versions of the NASA Tether footage I have found on youtube. It shows flightpaths of the objects and how they not only change course, but one even does a full U turn at one point. This video uncovers a lot of things you might not notice in the original footage, and he explains a lot in the description as well.
watch?v=G4Xx66ba36o
CWBou812 1 month ago
@CWBou812 Why are you talking to me??? 0_o
MrApplesucksass 1 month ago
@MrApplesucksass Youtube much?
CWBou812 1 month ago
@CWBou812 Yes this is Youtube. I still don't see your point?
MrApplesucksass 1 month ago
AUASS (Arab Union for Astronomy and Space Sciences)
DeuteriumDrones 8 months ago
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SPACEFLIGHT AND RELIGION:
"Since Sheikh Muszaphar is a Muslim, and as his time in space coincided with the last part of Ramadan, the Islamic National Fatwa Council drew up the first comprehensive guidebook for Muslims in space. The 18-page guidebook is titled "Guidelines for Performing Islamic Rites (Ibadah) at the International Space Station". Google Sheikh Muszaphar (continued)
DeuteriumDrones 8 months ago
SPACEFLIGHT AND RELIGION: (continued)
.. and details issues such as how to pray in a low-gravity environment, how to locate Mecca from the ISS, how to determine prayer times, and issues surrounding fasting. The orbit of the ISS results in one day/night cycle every 90 minutes, so the issues of fasting during Ramadan are also addressed. The guidebook will be translated into Russian, Arabic, and English. Google Sheikh Muszaphar
DeuteriumDrones 8 months ago