LOJM-Originally it was a German outlier of the French worker-Communism, reminiscent of Babouvism and taking shape in Paris at about this time; community of goods was demanded as the necessary consequence of "equality". The aims were those of the Parisian secret societies of the time: half propaganda association, half conspiracy, Paris, however, being always regarded as the central point of revolutionary action, although the preparation of occassional putsches in Germany was by no means excluded.
@nalejbank If you are referring to the Fabian society, you're going to have to cite some reliable sources, as this just sounds like conspiracy theorising.
At the time Marx wrote the Manifesto he was a member of the League of the Just, Christian Socialist. They may have had Babouf-like Feudal-Socialist elements but when Marx wrote the Manifesto he clearly parts ways with them in Chapter 3, as well as the Christian Socialists. Their historical difference is just too great.
@TheCommunard Look, I don't know why you are attempting to soften what he has been credited with writing. Just read the 10 planks and ask yourself it the individual or the state is in charge of your life. I know the idealic line about "communism is fine if it could only be tried the way Marx taught it" or something close to that. When a political science major in a major university told me he had never read it, what good is his degree? Communism is collectivism and the enemy of liberty!
@nalejbank Well, you're just speaking pure ideology when you say things like 'enemy of liberty'. These are rather complex philosophical issues which you're not going to settle here. Negative Liberty is not the only Liberty. Libertarianism doesn't advocate the conditions of Positive Liberty, only Negative Liberty. Of what value or weight does one have over the other? Is there anything objective which makes one worth sacrificing? Shouldn't we give both consideration?
@nalejbank And in fact, I am not trying to soften what he has been credited with writing at all. I do not know where you got that from. Look at my replies, I am merely correcting your factual errors with regards to Marx's biography and what organisations he belonged to - these are matters of fact, not theory.
He wrote the manifesto as a paid hack of the Fabian Society(socialist). Karl's name did not appear as the author for 20 years after its publication. He was a broken bumb in more than one way and I think it has been recorded that there were only 2-4 people at his funeral.
I better book is The Law, by Frederic Bastiat. That is if you believe in liberty and freedom. Google it. Read it today!!!
@nalejbank Actually it was first published in German, and the Fabian society did not exist until after Marx's death four decades after the publication of the Manifesto.
@TheCommunard Excuse my error, It was the an outgrowth work of the League of Just Men or the League of the Just in 1836 or so.
Add the usual prefix to: globalsecurity [dot] .org/military/world/europe/league-of-just-men [dot] htm
The League of the Just was a splinter group from the League of Outlaws (Bund der Geaechteten) created in Paris in 1834 by Theodore Schuster, Wilhelm Weitling and others German emigres. Schuster was inspired by the works of Philippe Buonarroti.
@gunrunner1776 His family did not starve. His children died from incurable Victorian diseases. Except in Paris, all his homes were decent.
He wrote for over 30 newspapers, and was editor of many in his lifetime.
As for being lazy, his complete works come to over 50 volumes, all of which are still not yet published due to their size. He wrote well on just about every topic. He held a PhD from the University of Jena. His writings changed the way everyone thinks on any topic that matters.
LOJM-Originally it was a German outlier of the French worker-Communism, reminiscent of Babouvism and taking shape in Paris at about this time; community of goods was demanded as the necessary consequence of "equality". The aims were those of the Parisian secret societies of the time: half propaganda association, half conspiracy, Paris, however, being always regarded as the central point of revolutionary action, although the preparation of occassional putsches in Germany was by no means excluded.
nalejbank 4 months ago
@nalejbank If you are referring to the Fabian society, you're going to have to cite some reliable sources, as this just sounds like conspiracy theorising.
At the time Marx wrote the Manifesto he was a member of the League of the Just, Christian Socialist. They may have had Babouf-like Feudal-Socialist elements but when Marx wrote the Manifesto he clearly parts ways with them in Chapter 3, as well as the Christian Socialists. Their historical difference is just too great.
TheCommunard 4 months ago
@TheCommunard Look, I don't know why you are attempting to soften what he has been credited with writing. Just read the 10 planks and ask yourself it the individual or the state is in charge of your life. I know the idealic line about "communism is fine if it could only be tried the way Marx taught it" or something close to that. When a political science major in a major university told me he had never read it, what good is his degree? Communism is collectivism and the enemy of liberty!
nalejbank 4 months ago
@nalejbank Well, you're just speaking pure ideology when you say things like 'enemy of liberty'. These are rather complex philosophical issues which you're not going to settle here. Negative Liberty is not the only Liberty. Libertarianism doesn't advocate the conditions of Positive Liberty, only Negative Liberty. Of what value or weight does one have over the other? Is there anything objective which makes one worth sacrificing? Shouldn't we give both consideration?
TheCommunard 4 months ago
@nalejbank And in fact, I am not trying to soften what he has been credited with writing at all. I do not know where you got that from. Look at my replies, I am merely correcting your factual errors with regards to Marx's biography and what organisations he belonged to - these are matters of fact, not theory.
TheCommunard 4 months ago
He wrote the manifesto as a paid hack of the Fabian Society(socialist). Karl's name did not appear as the author for 20 years after its publication. He was a broken bumb in more than one way and I think it has been recorded that there were only 2-4 people at his funeral.
I better book is The Law, by Frederic Bastiat. That is if you believe in liberty and freedom. Google it. Read it today!!!
nalejbank 4 months ago
@nalejbank Actually it was first published in German, and the Fabian society did not exist until after Marx's death four decades after the publication of the Manifesto.
TheCommunard 4 months ago
@TheCommunard Excuse my error, It was the an outgrowth work of the League of Just Men or the League of the Just in 1836 or so.
Add the usual prefix to: globalsecurity [dot] .org/military/world/europe/league-of-just-men [dot] htm
The League of the Just was a splinter group from the League of Outlaws (Bund der Geaechteten) created in Paris in 1834 by Theodore Schuster, Wilhelm Weitling and others German emigres. Schuster was inspired by the works of Philippe Buonarroti.
nalejbank 4 months ago
Carl Marx was a worthless lazy bum who never held a job as his family starved.
gunrunner1776 10 months ago
@gunrunner1776 His family did not starve. His children died from incurable Victorian diseases. Except in Paris, all his homes were decent.
He wrote for over 30 newspapers, and was editor of many in his lifetime.
As for being lazy, his complete works come to over 50 volumes, all of which are still not yet published due to their size. He wrote well on just about every topic. He held a PhD from the University of Jena. His writings changed the way everyone thinks on any topic that matters.
TheCommunard 10 months ago
@gunrunner1776 Really, you can find all this information in Wikipedia: there's no excuse for baseless misinformation in this modern age.
TheCommunard 10 months ago