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  • OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

    The destruction of those tapes is just one more smoking gun in a whole arsenal of smoking guns aimed directly at fact that the Bush Administration knowingly broke our laws and international treaties and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

  • america is fucked if your american ure fucked time to fight ure goverment using wat ever means possible take em out

  • WASHINGTON - Attorneys for Jose Rodriguez told Congress the former CIA official won't testify about the destruction of CIA videotapes without a promise of immunity, two people close to the tapes inquiry said Wednesday.

  • typical political shit

  • What is the first thing you need to do after committing a crime? Get rid of all of the evidence, its criminal activities 101.

  • RON PAUL 08

  • MccCin good man back in the day, now paid and bought for by....????

  • To sum up: we don't know what was on the tapes, but the great father knows what is best and if he decided the tapes should be destroyed, then who are we to differ? American paternalism at its finest.

  • Do any politicians mention the people of the united states?

  • It is an ELITIST world, and YOU ARE NOT IN IT!!!!! the rich rule the world. sadly i am rich myself but i hate the rich fucks who feel that i wanna be with them just because they are rich. AMERICA REVOLT>> you are all being scammed

  • Republicans are retaliating against the CIA for not backing Bush claims of alleged Iran nukes.

  • We used to prosecute waterboarding as a war crime.

  • what did they possibly think was going to happen from destroying tapes...people will immediately assume the worst possible things were on those tapes. Then add a few officials repeating the "the US does not torture" soundbyte while looking really uncomfortable...what a fiasco.

  • Bush makes me sad :(

    Have you seen "Justice Accomplished", the controversial anti-Bush film.

    Click on my name to check it out.

  • Bill Kristol is such a piece of trash.

    Prudent to destroy so we "Don't compromise important intelligence assets."

    Remember his reaction when they COMPROMISED VALERIE PLAME, AN INTELLIGENT ASSET?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    He's fucking garbage.

  • McCain is right - we're in an ideological struggle and in order to win we must convince the world that we are genuine.  That there is even a debate about whether waterboarding is torture is proof that facism is here.

  • funny how they seem to know their is a problem,but don't do anything about it! they need to Impeach bush & Cheney,fire everybody

    involved with this administration.

  • To me it's just another reason to vote for Ron Paul.....PERIOD!

  • How come Harriet Myers, the failed Supreme Court nomination who was only White House counsel, was advising the CIA?

    Gotta love the One-Party system of Statists.

    They all say the same thing, left and right. And love the visibility of a Rockefeller on this issue helping to cover up and denying knowledge.

  • There is no "ideological struggle". Christian and Muslim's and buddhists and athiests all can live together.

  • what else did the CIA destroy besides Video tapes?? Our Government is Corrupt to the hilt.

    9/11 was an inside job !!!

  • um,it's time to clean house! Vote for Ron Paul

  • ht tp://

    ww w(d0t)whowouldtheworldelect(do­t)com/

    the world has spoken

  • there's a special place in hell for Boehner and Kristol.

  • It just makes me sick, people are so blind. I just hope that Ron Paul can get elected before the shit hits the fan. It's all bullshit.

  • Just remember, as long as the US government uses it, it's not torture. "Hell, using electric shocks to a suspect's scrotum? Okay, maybe we used to call it torture, but we use it now, so it's now 'enhanced interrogation.' But no, we would never use torture. We just redefine it to not include what we're doing."

  • lets spend another year of dems going after nothing illegal. I like it . Looks like another republican pres. good job.

  • Is that how you think before mid term election in 2006?

    Good job indeed.

    Heh heh.

  • Bush: We do not torture!.......On weekends & holidays.

  • Stop all torture. America is better than that!

    Click on my name to see the truth about Bush, hurry before the censors ban it again.

  • Torture over the last 24 months in the media has now become "stern interrogation's" of just "interrogation". Welcome the sheep to the new world order.

  • I believe the word on the streets is still torture. I also for the first time feel that the sheep are waking up. And I'm as pessimistic as it gets.

  • i doubt that the tapes are destroyed.

  • They admitted it mang... Even if they aren't all destroyed they would have been by now. The only tapes they'll let out will be the low intensity sessions not featuring waterboarding.

  • Every average joe does backup of his computer stuff...ebooks, pictures, videos, emails, etc. So wont the mightiest, most powerfullest government on planet earth do it, too???

  • Huck destroyed all of the computers when he left the Govnas office. I heard at a cost to tax payers at around 90,000. give me a break Huck.

    "Huckabee made sure all the computer hard drive evidence of his spending record of budgets as Governor were destroyed, effectively ending any future ethics or conduct investigations."

    google it.

  • Get to the bottom of this? DON'T COUNT ON IT!

    Both parties have sullied hands. Get ready for another BS self-examination.

  • Kristol supports the support of the tapes:) No wonder... he is the architect of the PNAC!:)

  • Well, at least you didn't refer to him as a Jewboy, like most Lefists.

  • This whole thing is a horse and pony show. Not a thing will be done about it. I never supported a Republican candidate yet but I will support Ron Paul mainly because he is the only candidate that can save our life and this countrt (maybe) and save us from becoming total slaves. There is only one enemy for them and that is you and me!

  • I do believe Ron Paul, Dennis Kuccinich, Joe Biden and John Edwards are honest. The rest......

    Romney just echoes Bush's spin, "we don't torture," and McCain called him on it. Romney and Rudy would torture and act just like Bush clones inmo. They are already little bushies.

  • "Obstruction of justice".

    That's what America is all about though, right? Justice?!

    That's what we did when we Invaded Iraq, right? Brought them some justice. Brought Saddam Hussein to justice. Right?

  • We pretended to do that and Bush made so much money for his buddies. All those lost millions are in the hand of his buds, and of course, Dick got millions and millions to steal for Halliburton. His stock went sky high. There are not my dad's republicans. These are very corrupt, elite rich people who are ripping off the treasury and the taxpayers and giving it to their buds. High class horse thieves.

  • ...is it about destroyed tapes or destroyed faith?

    can you do more than watch a screen?

    fantasy is my reality...we are one.

  • We don't need a "secret government".

    Be a part of history - DONATE TO RON PAUL ON 12/16.

    We MUST set a world record on the amount of contributions and number of contributors.

    GO TO "Ron Paul - Hope For America" and "RonPaulGraphs" to see what's happening.

  • December 16th. Teaparty 2.0

    Time for a system reboot.

    Time for Ron Paul.

  • And Ron Paul is going to walk in to a privatized government run by contract employees.

    Far to many people are unaware of the damage done by Bush.

  • "I don't blame these patriots for destroying the tapes".

    Does this mean you don't blame Sandy Berger either?

    Heh heh.

    Ahh right winger double standard and hypocrisy always good for jokes.

  • Better to destroy sensitive material--material that could compromise real covert agents--than to leave it lying around for some paper-pushing, ideologically driven bureaucrat, like Valerie Plame, to leak to the New York Times or TMZ.

  • Thing is...Pats old buddy, its against the law!..I know the law means nothing to you neo-CONS, but the rule of law is what this country was founded on and made this country great. People like you will never understand that fact.

  • You don't know is there were any laws broken, now do you? It's so typical of liberals to jump to conclusions without the facts. The CIA, as I understand, DID consult lawyers before any of this material was destroyed.

  • Destroying/tampering with evidence is against the law....Hariot Miers told them not to destroy the tapes too didnt she, why would she do that if its as innocent as you make it out to be....Face it, this is just another case of this administration disreguarding the law.

  • "Better to destroy sensitive material--material that could compromise real covert agents".

    What, couldn't the face be blurred or something?

    Like i said before right winger double standard always good for jokes.

  • Perhaps they just shouldn't be doing things you consider "embarrassing"?

    Like torturing people.

  • Nazis inserting glass rods into male urethra, then hitting the penis hammer, now that's torture. Waterboarding is a clever mind-fuck that leaves the perp feeling foolish, and wet.

  • patsagainstrats really has no idea what it is to be a true patriot, he is a partisan neo-CON to the core and puts that above the well being of this country everytime....Hardly a patriot. IMO, people like him should be hung for high treason along with the administration he so dearly loves.

  • Better a neocon than a neocom, you communist. BTW, I'm already hung.

  • I finally figured you out by your last comment patsagainstrats(the hung comment), your Ann Coulter arnt ya!

  • No, just Hillary Clinton.

  • pats has been crap for as long as i can remember being on youtube, nice work

  • Bill Kristol is C. U. N.ext T.uesday

  • Media circus!

  • Can you say, "subpoena?"

  • The power elite are basically saying 'we need to cover up the truth while looking like we are trying the investigate the truth and covering our asses at the same time'. The oddball is Kristol who tells the American public what they want to hear 'There is nothing wrong. You can go back to the shopping mall'.

  • It's not the safety of the interrogators the CIA is protecting. It's the safety of the people named by Abu Zubaydah in his statements they are protecting. Members of the Saudi Royal Family and the Pakistani Air Force Chief. The four people named had foreknowlege of the 9-11 attacks. All four died in accidents within a year of Zubaydah's interrogation.

  • Jack Bauer could have saved the tapes!

    but they put him in jail.

    doodoo-doodoo doodoo-doodoo

    You cant has tapes. Not yours.

  • Most people will assume that the tapes showed torture. Hayden knew this and destroyed the tapes anyway, therefore the tapes probably did show torture.

  • who assumes that and why do they assume it? fact is we dont and wont know what were on those tapes. but since the story broke, the media has been falling over themselves to tell us that, if anything, it was torture. it stinks i tells ya.

  • Well if it wasn't torture then what else could it be?

    Don't you remember Abu Ghraib?

  • ya i remember...i dont know what else it could be but abu ghraib is not a valid comparison for two reasons. one we dont know what was on the tapes...and two, the abu ghaib pictures were never destroyed and they showed torture. so why would these tapes have to be destroyed? like i said i dont know but if there is something worse than torture, it may have been on those tapes.

  • Worse than torture?

    What could it be?

  • i dont know but i dont trust the gov. or the media. some say it was 911 evidence. i dont necessarily buy this theory because im not convinced by the conspiracy theories. but i also dont believe the offical story. one strange thing about all this is that these tapes were requested by the 911 commission shortly before they were destroyed. they (gov/media) are all too quick make us believe it was torture on those tapes...it just seems fishy

  • Let's see how long it will take the regular American to notice what your country has come to. Liberty? Democracy? Whatever folks.

  • Believe me, there are many of us Americans waiting for our fellow countrymen to get a clue and take our country back.

  • well that's gonna kinda be hard.

    how does one convince those lead by their ignorant preachers (who up till november of 06 had monday morning meetings with bush) that our country needs to be taken back.

    remember these people don't read much, they just listen to what their preachers tell them and vote accordingly.

  • videoTAPE when was this thing made 1989?So now we're into snuff flicks and im glad Mr Murdoc desensetized us all to torture during last season of 24 i actually found my self rooting for jack to suffocate his brother and give him a leathel dose of that pain drug Wow i can almost taste the metallic flavor from having electrodes attached to my gonads ..America we hardly new ye.

  • Fact is that two judges & the 9/11 Commission had requested/demanded these tapes at the approximate time of their suspicious destruction. At the absolute minimum, this is clearly a case of destruction of evidence, obstruction of justice & tampering of evidence. Even worse, these tapes were direct evidence of the torture practices of the Bush administration, torture still being considered a war crime even in this topsy turvy Orwellian world the Neocons have created.

  • Thank you Veracifier and TPM once again.

    The Bush Administration and all its cronies are a bunch of liars and criminals.

  • I want waterboard Sen. Jon Kyl and then ask him if waterboarding is torture.

  • Biden's last word there is SO true.

  • presumably the tape had a confession on it that confirms the right to act

    that confirms 911

    in short to destroy this key evidence must mean this evidence can in no way have been obtained in a fair and balanced manner , and more must have contradicted that derived from it

    the lesser of two evils would have been to scrub the faces then destroy the origonal[clearly this would have been done first but it still was too clearly a lie, thus deleted]

    the worst imaginable was exceeded

  • Bill Kristol is such a fucking tool. My god...

  • we don't use torture come on! we've all heard that before I'm a Canadian and I feel for all my american brothers and sisters that are embarassed by this liberal or conservative I feel for you!

  • It's good to hear from Bill Kristol. We don't get a sense of what he's thinking near often enough.

  • lol

  • this video reminds me of HitchHikersGuide..

    the poetry bit.

  • does anyone really buy the story from hayden that the tapes had to be destroyed to protect agents' identities? the cia, of all places, can't protect secret/sensitive material????

    do they not have, i don't know, a safe or something over there at the cia to keep the secret stuff in?

  • no wonder everyone hated usa now. Republicans love the usa but they love being republican more, thats whye even with this they will say propaganda. Bush, cheney, rumsfield ruined your country completely and nothing will be done cause u dont realize u have fascist gov now. U are now an "evildoer" country yourself...lmfao. Sadam tortures..Bush tortures. Irony, its beautiful.

  • Go Joe!

  • Someone bitchslap Bill Kristol for humanity's sake.

  • More like someone should dick-whip this guy to death

  • i love how senator joh kyl is mad that the photos of torture and abuse at abu ghraib were leaked, not that they happened.

  • SORRY SEN. DURBIN, but the US has been in the business of destroying "evidence" for a while now. As far as with Bush, he started destroying evidence after 9-11. The biggest crime scene in US history and ALL of the evidence was immediately sent to China to be MELTED DOWN! These CIA tapes are NOTHING compared to what was destroyed after 9-11! Sadly, now we will NEVER know what REALLY happened, and a new investigation is very unlikely...

  • Maybe you should investigate your medication... sounds like it's time for a dosage bump.

  • Our government was willing to out an agent when it went against their ideological policies,(Valerie Plame)but when actions involving possible criminal behavior by the CIA come to light, they are covered up.

  • FOX still shills for the Right pretty strongly, but there is an underlying feeling that they've had enough. They must wonder what happened to their strong party.

  • I know, watching Hume torn apart as he has to actually concede that there's potential misconduct... it just made me cry a little.

  • Paul/Hagel

  • That would be a great ticket.

  • Definitely, the special counsel idea is a great idea.

    The intelligence committee has serious conflicts of interest. It's their ass on the line for providing inadequate oversight.

  • the leaking of the tapes isn't what damages our reputation; the contents of the tapes do the damage.

  • Brilliant, intar. I haven't heard it put so succinctly before.

  • Did Huckabee say we need to expose rear-ends? Classic Huckabee! I don't know about voting for him in a presidential election, but I'd definitely vote for him for Last Comic Standing.

  • Seriously though, are there ANY straight Republicans left? Poor self-hating bastards.

  • Bill Crystal defends the decision and he is a member of the Council o Foreign Relations

  • that footage of Hayden shows him speaking at the council on foreign relations. nuff said

  • Joe Biden is the only one making any sense here.

  • Hagel was so much better.

  • Yeah, Hagel was good too. And McCain was even better than most of the others.

    Rockefeller and Feinstein - just embarasssing.

  • Joe Biden is the only one making any sense on a lot of issues. Absolutely loved the Biden clip they closed with.

  • HAHAH thumbs down!

  • I was being sarcastic dumb asses!

  • sarcasm rocks.

  • I'm 33 years old and no question about it...George W. Bush is my generations Richard Nixon. January 2009 can not come fast enough.

  • on steroids no less, here's to hoping time flies.

  • Good work VERACiF!ER!!!

  • Yup. They really do good work as usual.

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