@galaxydefender21 That is what I want to understand as well. People do it to Vanessa Mae too. It seem you can't be beautiful and talent as the same time.
@Chakiejan Depends what you mean by a pro. She studied at the Guildhall School of Music and later graduated from the Royal Academy of Music. Yes her hand positions are unconventional but I think this has been done with deliberation to achieve specific effect. Many of the better musicians over the years have flouted conventions which after all were only someone's past ideas of how an instrument should be played. Really good musicians often make rules rather than slavishly follow them.
@Chakiejan This is the problem. The rules are only there because someone once thought they were a good idea. "stiff and awkward" only appears so because a long time ago some individual decided on a convention which did not fit this particular style. Then again, people also once believed the earth was flat. Those who insist on doing something simply because it has always been done that way are the "flat earthers" of the music world. What matters is "what" is produced, not "how"
@blackbeasthamish U don't get it because you're not an accomplished pianist. I know.... it looks amazing right? I can play horrendously for the lay man and they allways say "My God, that was amazing"...... and I'm like, "No, that was rubbish". You don't get it because you're jsut a lay man. Any accomplished pianist knows exactly what i'm talking about right now.
@Chakiejan No I think it's you that doesn't get it. Its nothing to do with looking amazing. Music is to do with the sound that is ultimately produced. How you achieve it is irrelevant. Being accomplished is nothing to to with prescriptive hand positioning but with the end result. It is analagous to condeming a great artist because he doesn't paint by numbers. There are the "accomplished" pianists, who religiously follow the rules, and the good or even brilliant ones, who make their own..
Your position is yours - granted; however, lets be fair. She is quite attractive and she can play and overall I think you are overstating a petty jealous opposition, I should think.
This is probably my favorite version of Toccata and Fugue (other than the original, of course). It's so sensual and intense... I just get sucked in...
I think that this is a good modern interpretation of the great toccata and fugue by Bach. It is extremely an amazing piece, although, what happened to it being played on the pipe organ? I am a composer and play piano and have released a couple of albums.
This is awful. It's one thing to make a song your own, but another to dumb it down and try to sell it with image, be it visual or aural. This is just terrible.
Guys Guys Guys.. calm down. The trackis yet another Pete Waterman /Mike Batt / Vanessa Mae /Bond / The Planets... Cheap 'classical' reincarnate. Just recorded to sell records... Talent - not a lot /Sexy lady - too much. The composer would have turned in his grave!!
@simonbaber Totally disagree. Bach was not just a genius who produced a wealth of beautiful music . He was also an innovater, a man often ahead of his time, and someone who was certainly never afraid to try something new. Far from turning in his grave I think he would have loved this interpretation of his work and at the same time stuck two fingers up at the bunch of old farts who inhabit the world of classical music and claim to represent his interests.
@camfroghoofy did u mean pipe organ? because its made with pipes, and not piped after it is manufactured, in fact theres not suck thing as to pipe, for exemple: the organ was not good, so I piped it!
hahhahaha
anyway its a fair arrangement, probably not doe by the girl, sounds a lot like john powell!
The whole 'concept' here is very obviously modeled on Vanessa-mae. What a cynical world we live in... I remember when music used to be about breaking barriers... artisctic discovery. Still, I'd probably be tempted to do the same if I was Myleene!
Is this a joke? I heard Myleene was a pianist, but this extraordinarily simplified rendition of Bach was played with overwhelming ineptitude. She raises her hands far too high for the drone and melody sections, and far too low for the rest. Why is she playing with only one hand for a large portion of this recording? Truly a rudimentary arrangement, played like a consummate amateur.
@Meanman332 This is just a different interpretation. It is not meant to resemble a concert hall performance of Bach. What I find really irritating are the so called "purists" who come along with their know-all attitude and treat musical works as though they are some kind of precision engineering project. Music is an art not a science, so get real. This kind of thinking reminds me of the Luddites of the 19th century who likewise got their knickers in a twist over anything innovative.
@Meanman332 You offer a personal view, to which you are entitled, but like many other so called purists you appear to think that yours is the only valid one, to be thrusted on everyone else. I am not contradicting my own views. What I am saying is that matters such whether the hand positioning is high or low are largely irrelevant, except to someone who believes that music must conform a mechanised formula. Music is a living entity and Bach himself was a great innovater and ahead of his time.
@blackbeasthamish Good hand positioning is necessary to play difficult pieces easily. And this is necessary because if you struggle to play the bare notes of a piece you will not be able to add musical flair to it. That was why I mentioned hand positioning.
Thanks for the side comment about Bach which I obviously agree with...
You were contradicting yourself when you criticised mechanical interpretations but praised this performance (very mechanical). I agree with the criticism by the way.
@Meanman332 Thank you for your reply. I think in some aspects we might just have to agree to differ. What I am perhaps against those who are afraid to try something different. Music evolves over time and new ideas can be introduced which don't replace the original ones but merely add to the repetoire. I call Bach innovative because if he were to return to the 21st century, I believe he would not be against people experimenting with his work. In many ways he was ahead of his time.
@blackbeasthamish That doesn't address anything I said in my last comment. I never said I disliked experimentation. I never said anything about Bach. I said that this piece was a mechanical interpretation and was not experimental or innovative. It was just very simplified. Playing with only one hand at some parts is not experimental, it's not new and it's not innovative, it's just boring. She didn't even inter-splice the single handed sections with the double handed sections very well.
@Meanman332 This totally confirms everything I thought about musical purists. A total preoccupation with the mechanics of something. An attempt to turn art into science. All style and no soul. (similar to fur hat and no knickers) , or to put it another way, style before substance - something much beloved by politicians. I couldn't give a toss if she performs it standing on her head and plays with her toes as long as I like it. As for boring - there's nothing more boring than a closed mind.
@blackbeasthamish I don't think you understand. The piano is an instrument which is most easily played with hands. Playing an instrument properly comes before playing it soulfully. You can't play a soulful riff if you cant play the riff. Making up things that I never said in every comment and then adding 'purist' is kinda stupid. Your comment consisted of creating an imaginary version of me who says things that I never said, and then arguing against him. Have fun doing that I guess?
@Meanman332 This depends on what you mean by "properly" This is something which even professionals differ on There are pianists from every strand who have learned to play the piano in very different ways. A good many do not concern themselves with trival matters like how someone else thinks the hands should be positioned. The just get on with it. and the effect is usually more pleasing Its a bit like the difference between true art and painting by numbers.
@blackbeasthamish By 'properly' I mean being able to execute every order on the sheet music. Yes, I mean the basic, mechanical ability to play what is on the sheet. You have to be able to do that before you can start adding your own flair and style properly. Try playing a really hard Chopin etude soulfully. This is extremely difficult, because the notes are so hard to play by themselves, let alone with passion. Therefore having good technique is vital to adding your own set of emotions.
@Meanman332 "Execute every order on a sheet of music" It sounds like something which might issue from the mouth of a prisoner of war Camp Commandant. Some of the very best musicians in the world don't even read music. They are so talented they can play by ear. The don't need to rigidly acquiesce to a rigid code of practice which stifles true genious. Your use of the word "mechanical" says it all. Like I said before, there is artistry and there is painting by numbers
@blackbeasthamish How many times can you miss the point before you understand? You need to be able to execute the orders before you can add your flair. When you actually play it live, of course you aren't thinking about the sheet music. That's just the initial stage. But like the initial stage of many things, it cannot be skipped. After you can play the song with ease you can do whatever you like with it and add your own style. But you cannot do the latter before the former.
@Meanman332 How many times can you miss the point? As I said before, some of the best and most original musicians in the world never learnt to play from sheet music. They don't feel a need to "execute the orders". That is what makes them so good. There is substantial evidence that as a child Mozart could both compose and play complicated compositions before he had ever set eyes on a piece of music. Do you really believe his genious would have prevailed by towing the party line?
@blackbeasthamish Of course they don't execute the orders when they're actually playing, but the do when they are practicing so they can get to know the piece and play it with confidence. As for your 'point', I ignored it because it is untrue. There are no excellent musicians who did not read sheet music. There might be some pretty good ones, but they simply would have been better if they could read music, so they could get to know the piece fully. As for Mozart, he was not a master at age 6.
@Meanman332 If you dont believe that Mozart was a child prodigy who was able to play masterful music at a very young age without having to read from a sheet of music you are even more deluded than I thought you were. I am more inclined to believe the historians who have researched the matter thouroughly than someone who refuses to accept anything which does conform to a blinkered and narrow way of thinking. And yes there are excellent musicians who dont read music. Wake up to reality.
@blackbeasthamish You obviously don't know anything about Mozart. He was not a master at age 6, as was no great composer. He composed and played music at age 6 yes, but there is no evidence to suggest that he played with the flair and passion you are suggesting at such a young age. That is something that takes years to acquire. Besides, reading sheet music is just one means of learning the piece. If they learn the piece by ear, that's also fine, but they must be able to play the piece well alone
@Meanman332 I suspect Mozart could compose and play music at the age of 6 better than you can now. I think you have delusions of grandeur. Your obsession with marks on a sheet of paper is laughable, because that's all they are. Those notes existed in someones mind long before they were written down. This is where real creativity lies, not with slavishly following anothers ideas. If they can be held in someone's mind, they can be held in the mind of any accomplished musician who listens.
2. Saying I'm obsessed with sheet music right after I said that it doesn't matter whether it's sheet music or somebody teaching it to you directly on the keyboard or by listening to it. All I am saying is that if you cant play the notes then you cant play the notes in a flashy style. You still haven't come up with one argument against this, instead you keep pretending that I am encouraging mechanical or very precise performances.
@Meanman332 . Lets be right about what you said. I agree that you have to be able to play the notes but you are now changing tack by saying it doesnt matter whether you play by someone directly teaching you, or by listening to it i.e by ear. Here are two of your previous comments 1. "by'properly' I mean being able to execute every order on the sheet music." 2. "There are no excellent musicians who did not read sheet music" both Broad sweeping statements which don't stand scrutiny
@blackbeasthamish 1. Yes, executing every order on the sheet music as in being able to play all the musical directions. They could be learnt in a number of ways.
2. I stand by this statement simply because most good music is most easily learnt via sheet music. If somebody devises a better way of learning music then I am sure sheet music will become obsolete, but for now, it's kinda useful. But there may be some who don't read sheet music, which is fine as long as they can still play it correctly
@Meanman332 I think we have some measure of agreement here. I have never said that sheet music is not useful to some, but neither I have ever regarded it as the only tool for learning to play. Derek Paravacinni, a British concert pianist is well respected and admired throught the musical world. Not only is he autistic but he is totally blind. He is described as having perfect pitch and can not only play but improvise on a piece of music having heard it only once. This sums up my argument.
@blackbeasthamish So your argument is that an autistic person (known for having extraordinary powers of concentration) with perfect pitch can play and improvise n a piece of music he has heard just one time. He has an incredible talent, good for him. He is able to learn the technique of a piece very quickly, which is great. Finding an example of somebody who is a quick learner does not prove that learning technique, hand position etc is pointless.
@Meanman332 Once again you make a point of missing the point as you always do when presented with something you would rather not know. Paravacinni is only one of many people who have this ability, autistic or otherwise. I did not say that hand postioning, or an ability to read music are competely pointless. I am merely commenting on your slavish adherence to a rigid code of practice, or "carrying out the orders" as you put it. These people and others get by very well without any need to.
@blackbeasthamish As soon as you present me with evidence that these pianists you are talking about do not use correct hand positioning, finger straightness, etc, I will agree with you. But I highly doubt this will happen. As for 'slavish adherence', it's called discipline, something which all of the top pianists have. All you've proven is that some pianists learn quicker than others, which nobody doubted. They still do all the things I recommend, whether they have the same learning medium or no
@Meanman332 As you are the one to claim that every pianist conforms to what you call "correct" hand positioning ( and after all "correct" only means someone's idea of correct,, as music is not a science) then perhaps you can provide me with evidence that every single professional pianist adopts the exact same hand positioning. I was told by a concert pianist that they all have their own individual idiosyncrasies and it is possible to identify a pianist just by seeing the hands on the keyboard
@blackbeasthamish By correct I simply mean efficient and flawless; and I deem Myleene Klass's hand positioning to be very flawed because it is too extended and wild. In a harder piece she would find herself missing notes very often.
@blackbeasthamish I have watched this several times over. It is obviously very styalised. If you believe that this is exactly the way she was playing the piano, then you must also believe that she was able to simultaneously walk up stairs, to appear in doorways and that she was surrounded by pieces of paper blowing in the wind. I'm afraid you can't cherry-pick and just believe the bits of it that suit your argument.
@blackbeasthamish I would like to add that the inane electronic sound effects and drum beat make this the biggest insult to Bach that I have ever heard. It detracts so much from the emotion and sincerity of the piece that I have no idea why this video has any thumbs up.
@blackbeasthamish Except it was not innovative, and it was not an entertaining interpretation. Not all interpretation of a song are good, and I believe I am entitled ot make a slightly lengthier and more interesting comment than 'This is indeed a different interpretation of Bach.' I will also add that far from being fluent and emotional, it was actually a very mechanical interpretation, so you are contradicting yourself on that score.
Critical fools. Allow artists to be that... Artists. I'm glad to see she's bringing some sexuality into piano... steeling it away from singers for just a bit. Loved this vid.
@rob1wifey Critical fools? Who exactly are you referring to, and what is your argument exactly? ...Lest you'd rather appear a fool yourself, you'd do well to be more specific in the future.
(this is disregarding the fact that you brought up the superficial 'sexualized' aspect of the video to argue it's superiority)
@STorpedo... lol Not sure why you attacked. If you go back in the comments alot of people were complaining how the sexuality (and yes an open back shot is sexual... unless maybe one don't have a sex drive... then maybe ya, its not appealing to the sexual nature) and the artistry of the video takes away from the qualitiy and history of the piece. I did not appear a fool but I do not always wish to "call someone out" either.
And arguing its superiority? Over what? Not sure where you see that.
aside from the few tidbits of imitative counterpoint that pop up here and there, this is by no means a fugue. at least she didn't turn it into a latin jam like vanessa mae did...
I love this version.. only thing I missed a bit was the very soft piano in the beginning. It felt like it was edited too softly. Beyond that.. definately on my favourite list. :D
This song could really do without the synth patches. And by really, I mean REALLY. As far as the song goes, there's really nothing added to the composition in the harmony and production stages to warrant this version. So if you know what's good for you, find something else.
@STorpedo there is sections added to this variation, and i know because i spend four days writing out the sheet music so i can play this piece, so if anybody wants it let me know :)
@allthenamesrtook The violins, you mean? Aren't they just chopped up versions of the main melody? Or just some basic scalar variations? (And why did you spend 4 days writing out the music sheet if you can find it anywhere and just use basic theory to figure out the embellishments?)
@STorpedo because its better to have the sheet music and there are variations on the piano as well and you would need more than basic theory to work it out, you would need roughly grade 6 theory to work it out because of knowing how long each note is so you can write it in the sheets and also the beaming of the notes oh and you cant find this version of the sheet music anywhere as the owner of the rights has never released it for publication.
@allthenamesrtook You'd need to know the duration of each note? Rhythm and rhythm figures, you mean? That is basic theory. It's done in 4/4 or 6/4 with sixteenth notes, the violins follows the same basic pattern, with, somewhat tasteful, but simple embellishments. The composition is taken from a relatively small fragment of Bach's organ solo, which was primarily used to demonstrate Bach's technical ability (rather than musical). So 'the owner of the rights' has released it for publication.
@STorpedo to be able to write sheet music from listening is DEFINITELY not basic theory. i am currently doing a masters degree and we did not learn writing sheet music correctly till a while ago because its easy to learn each individual section of theory but its hard to put it together. and the owner has not released it because variation require a different copyright license while paying royalties but currently nobody owns the rights to the original Bach composition
@allthenamesrtook Ok, then we DEFINITELY have different expectations. My 9 year old cousin will be able to play this composition by ear without much problem, get it completely right by the third run through. In most music schools you are expected to know 75% of theory and solfege before you finish school. Quite honestly, if you are doing a masters degree in this and if it's difficult for you to make sense of this song, I hope for your sake that you're not expecting to make a career out of this.
@STorpedo you really don't understand what i am saying, playing the piece is easy i never said it was hard and unless they are a music genius i really doubt they could play it properly, people like you really annoy me because u play the song how u hear it and not how the sheet music says because u cant read sheet music properly so you just play it close to how it should sound. and music schools are different because they specialize in it like the royal academy of music so learn to understand.
@rmatmcam i know its not a song because there is no singing but it can also be called a song because it includes both the toccata and fugue and that was an old comment so let it go because i was only saying it can be hard ro listen to a piece of music and write it as sheet music
I love her music but I can't seem to download it anywhere. I'm very willing to pay but can't get it from Amazon or iTunes. I only see the UK version and I can't order from there b/c I'm American. Does anyone have any tips?
I am a great dane called Andrew. I like this music. You might like the music on my video Helping My Mum In The Kitchen because it's the other half of the wonderful piece played here by Mylene!
I don't agree. It is each time a new interpretation. Each time a person sing a song, performs it or even whistles it, it is a new interpretation of the song. It keeps the song alive, remembered. Like you can't cross the same river twice, you can't play the same song again. Even if the song is performed exactly as before, you have already changed...
So don't try to just critisize but try to enjoy ...
i love the violin in this an amazing peice of music i just wish that it went on for a longer period of time
MuSiCxMoMsTeR 2 weeks ago
wait, why so many piano player love playing old song again and again? I am not judging but it's true, no personal style
garywithairp 2 weeks ago
Myleene will be famous, if she'll be going to sing soon.
MyrtleJoyce21 3 weeks ago
Gorgeous, great piece of music
juliusbullo 1 month ago
wooow...why am i now seeing this? holy crap this is an awesome video, great piece of music.
bbchecks10 1 month ago 4
Love the tempo
Errol9232 2 months ago
im so glad there r people like Myleene trying to make classical music more mainstream/ cooler
RedDress 2 months ago 2
This is soo fcking cool!!!!
KGRRRRR 3 months ago
Very, very, very ,very, very, Very Pretty
20Alanpartridge 3 months ago
C 2 LA MER2
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@MrSnake1752 tg
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Beautiful, I thought it was just another version, but she knows how to make a difference, is much smoother. Congratulations!
Dani41149 5 months ago
LOL LOL.
103Angga 5 months ago
Johann would be fully appreciative....
indigoblue555 6 months ago
lol
lePistolero 7 months ago in playlist Myleene Klass
its very pretty peice but she should wear a bra
DRisLegend200919 7 months ago
@DRisLegend200919 No. I think not !
blackbeasthamish 7 months ago
@roquefort88888 as if the use of piano and not the 'pipe organ' is the thing most unauthentic about this rendition.... you mug!
franciz94 8 months ago
Vraiment joli !
Desopilement 9 months ago
I really love this piece has anyone got any reccomendations for something romotely simular to this? many thanks in advance :)
xxSelenaGomez95xx 10 months ago
@galaxydefender21 That is what I want to understand as well. People do it to Vanessa Mae too. It seem you can't be beautiful and talent as the same time.
LittleImpaler 10 months ago
That house may have a draft problem......
savvylumberjack1112 10 months ago 42
dont like it :(
sakurangie1 11 months ago
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looks like she has been working on her fingering
pamirisaturk123 11 months ago
i think that she is a brilliant piano player and is as good as professional
Puddles153 1 year ago
wow ... I think it ´s great
mirrabel2 1 year ago
who cares about where she put her hands. She still shows she has skills.
LittleImpaler 1 year ago
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ArchaicRubberBand 1 year ago
amazing piano player, OMG, i wish i could play like that, let alone play at all
Puddles153 1 year ago
You can tell she's not a pro by how she holds her hands right here.... 0:09
Nevertheless, a cool video.
Chakiejan 1 year ago
@Chakiejan Depends what you mean by a pro. She studied at the Guildhall School of Music and later graduated from the Royal Academy of Music. Yes her hand positions are unconventional but I think this has been done with deliberation to achieve specific effect. Many of the better musicians over the years have flouted conventions which after all were only someone's past ideas of how an instrument should be played. Really good musicians often make rules rather than slavishly follow them.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish I suppose.... if you think "stiff and awkward" is a good rule.
Chakiejan 1 year ago
@Chakiejan This is the problem. The rules are only there because someone once thought they were a good idea. "stiff and awkward" only appears so because a long time ago some individual decided on a convention which did not fit this particular style. Then again, people also once believed the earth was flat. Those who insist on doing something simply because it has always been done that way are the "flat earthers" of the music world. What matters is "what" is produced, not "how"
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish U don't get it because you're not an accomplished pianist. I know.... it looks amazing right? I can play horrendously for the lay man and they allways say "My God, that was amazing"...... and I'm like, "No, that was rubbish". You don't get it because you're jsut a lay man. Any accomplished pianist knows exactly what i'm talking about right now.
Chakiejan 1 year ago
@Chakiejan No I think it's you that doesn't get it. Its nothing to do with looking amazing. Music is to do with the sound that is ultimately produced. How you achieve it is irrelevant. Being accomplished is nothing to to with prescriptive hand positioning but with the end result. It is analagous to condeming a great artist because he doesn't paint by numbers. There are the "accomplished" pianists, who religiously follow the rules, and the good or even brilliant ones, who make their own..
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@Chakiejan lol It's called being /pretentious/ faggot. Ignorance is always bliss.
TheIshter 11 months ago
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Your position is yours - granted; however, lets be fair. She is quite attractive and she can play and overall I think you are overstating a petty jealous opposition, I should think.
robokopus 1 year ago
For heaven sake, someone please shut the window!
seahawk124 1 year ago 2
This is probably my favorite version of Toccata and Fugue (other than the original, of course). It's so sensual and intense... I just get sucked in...
KiataMitani 1 year ago
i envey her piano skills i wish i could play like this <3
MuSiCxMoMsTeR 1 year ago
@MuSiCxMoMsTeR man, she does like... nothing.
godelike 1 year ago
I think that this is a good modern interpretation of the great toccata and fugue by Bach. It is extremely an amazing piece, although, what happened to it being played on the pipe organ? I am a composer and play piano and have released a couple of albums.
ClassicalMusic126 1 year ago 4
She's a pretty babe indeed and Bach's greatness still can be perceived all in all...
When image overshadows substance: not so offensive though...
indigoblue555 1 year ago
This is awful. It's one thing to make a song your own, but another to dumb it down and try to sell it with image, be it visual or aural. This is just terrible.
BoltThrower2000 1 year ago
i have the MP3 if anyone wants it
oongoy 1 year ago
Guys Guys Guys.. calm down. The trackis yet another Pete Waterman /Mike Batt / Vanessa Mae /Bond / The Planets... Cheap 'classical' reincarnate. Just recorded to sell records... Talent - not a lot /Sexy lady - too much. The composer would have turned in his grave!!
simonbaber 1 year ago
@simonbaber Totally disagree. Bach was not just a genius who produced a wealth of beautiful music . He was also an innovater, a man often ahead of his time, and someone who was certainly never afraid to try something new. Far from turning in his grave I think he would have loved this interpretation of his work and at the same time stuck two fingers up at the bunch of old farts who inhabit the world of classical music and claim to represent his interests.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago 34
AMAZING!!
conkerhead85 1 year ago
LOL!!!!!!
gtamission100m 1 year ago
tocatta is not played by piano .... best played by piped organ , its the law .. The power of tocatta and Fugue is lost here.
camfroghoofy 1 year ago 4
@camfroghoofy did u mean pipe organ? because its made with pipes, and not piped after it is manufactured, in fact theres not suck thing as to pipe, for exemple: the organ was not good, so I piped it!
hahhahaha
anyway its a fair arrangement, probably not doe by the girl, sounds a lot like john powell!
ruffdj 1 year ago
The whole 'concept' here is very obviously modeled on Vanessa-mae. What a cynical world we live in... I remember when music used to be about breaking barriers... artisctic discovery. Still, I'd probably be tempted to do the same if I was Myleene!
cosmicjazzer 1 year ago
Is this a joke? I heard Myleene was a pianist, but this extraordinarily simplified rendition of Bach was played with overwhelming ineptitude. She raises her hands far too high for the drone and melody sections, and far too low for the rest. Why is she playing with only one hand for a large portion of this recording? Truly a rudimentary arrangement, played like a consummate amateur.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 This is just a different interpretation. It is not meant to resemble a concert hall performance of Bach. What I find really irritating are the so called "purists" who come along with their know-all attitude and treat musical works as though they are some kind of precision engineering project. Music is an art not a science, so get real. This kind of thinking reminds me of the Luddites of the 19th century who likewise got their knickers in a twist over anything innovative.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
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Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 You offer a personal view, to which you are entitled, but like many other so called purists you appear to think that yours is the only valid one, to be thrusted on everyone else. I am not contradicting my own views. What I am saying is that matters such whether the hand positioning is high or low are largely irrelevant, except to someone who believes that music must conform a mechanised formula. Music is a living entity and Bach himself was a great innovater and ahead of his time.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish Good hand positioning is necessary to play difficult pieces easily. And this is necessary because if you struggle to play the bare notes of a piece you will not be able to add musical flair to it. That was why I mentioned hand positioning.
Thanks for the side comment about Bach which I obviously agree with...
You were contradicting yourself when you criticised mechanical interpretations but praised this performance (very mechanical). I agree with the criticism by the way.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 Thank you for your reply. I think in some aspects we might just have to agree to differ. What I am perhaps against those who are afraid to try something different. Music evolves over time and new ideas can be introduced which don't replace the original ones but merely add to the repetoire. I call Bach innovative because if he were to return to the 21st century, I believe he would not be against people experimenting with his work. In many ways he was ahead of his time.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish That doesn't address anything I said in my last comment. I never said I disliked experimentation. I never said anything about Bach. I said that this piece was a mechanical interpretation and was not experimental or innovative. It was just very simplified. Playing with only one hand at some parts is not experimental, it's not new and it's not innovative, it's just boring. She didn't even inter-splice the single handed sections with the double handed sections very well.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 This totally confirms everything I thought about musical purists. A total preoccupation with the mechanics of something. An attempt to turn art into science. All style and no soul. (similar to fur hat and no knickers) , or to put it another way, style before substance - something much beloved by politicians. I couldn't give a toss if she performs it standing on her head and plays with her toes as long as I like it. As for boring - there's nothing more boring than a closed mind.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish I don't think you understand. The piano is an instrument which is most easily played with hands. Playing an instrument properly comes before playing it soulfully. You can't play a soulful riff if you cant play the riff. Making up things that I never said in every comment and then adding 'purist' is kinda stupid. Your comment consisted of creating an imaginary version of me who says things that I never said, and then arguing against him. Have fun doing that I guess?
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 This depends on what you mean by "properly" This is something which even professionals differ on There are pianists from every strand who have learned to play the piano in very different ways. A good many do not concern themselves with trival matters like how someone else thinks the hands should be positioned. The just get on with it. and the effect is usually more pleasing Its a bit like the difference between true art and painting by numbers.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish By 'properly' I mean being able to execute every order on the sheet music. Yes, I mean the basic, mechanical ability to play what is on the sheet. You have to be able to do that before you can start adding your own flair and style properly. Try playing a really hard Chopin etude soulfully. This is extremely difficult, because the notes are so hard to play by themselves, let alone with passion. Therefore having good technique is vital to adding your own set of emotions.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 "Execute every order on a sheet of music" It sounds like something which might issue from the mouth of a prisoner of war Camp Commandant. Some of the very best musicians in the world don't even read music. They are so talented they can play by ear. The don't need to rigidly acquiesce to a rigid code of practice which stifles true genious. Your use of the word "mechanical" says it all. Like I said before, there is artistry and there is painting by numbers
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish How many times can you miss the point before you understand? You need to be able to execute the orders before you can add your flair. When you actually play it live, of course you aren't thinking about the sheet music. That's just the initial stage. But like the initial stage of many things, it cannot be skipped. After you can play the song with ease you can do whatever you like with it and add your own style. But you cannot do the latter before the former.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 How many times can you miss the point? As I said before, some of the best and most original musicians in the world never learnt to play from sheet music. They don't feel a need to "execute the orders". That is what makes them so good. There is substantial evidence that as a child Mozart could both compose and play complicated compositions before he had ever set eyes on a piece of music. Do you really believe his genious would have prevailed by towing the party line?
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish Of course they don't execute the orders when they're actually playing, but the do when they are practicing so they can get to know the piece and play it with confidence. As for your 'point', I ignored it because it is untrue. There are no excellent musicians who did not read sheet music. There might be some pretty good ones, but they simply would have been better if they could read music, so they could get to know the piece fully. As for Mozart, he was not a master at age 6.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 If you dont believe that Mozart was a child prodigy who was able to play masterful music at a very young age without having to read from a sheet of music you are even more deluded than I thought you were. I am more inclined to believe the historians who have researched the matter thouroughly than someone who refuses to accept anything which does conform to a blinkered and narrow way of thinking. And yes there are excellent musicians who dont read music. Wake up to reality.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish You obviously don't know anything about Mozart. He was not a master at age 6, as was no great composer. He composed and played music at age 6 yes, but there is no evidence to suggest that he played with the flair and passion you are suggesting at such a young age. That is something that takes years to acquire. Besides, reading sheet music is just one means of learning the piece. If they learn the piece by ear, that's also fine, but they must be able to play the piece well alone
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 I suspect Mozart could compose and play music at the age of 6 better than you can now. I think you have delusions of grandeur. Your obsession with marks on a sheet of paper is laughable, because that's all they are. Those notes existed in someones mind long before they were written down. This is where real creativity lies, not with slavishly following anothers ideas. If they can be held in someone's mind, they can be held in the mind of any accomplished musician who listens.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish 1. Irrelevant comment about my personal ability.
2. Saying I'm obsessed with sheet music right after I said that it doesn't matter whether it's sheet music or somebody teaching it to you directly on the keyboard or by listening to it. All I am saying is that if you cant play the notes then you cant play the notes in a flashy style. You still haven't come up with one argument against this, instead you keep pretending that I am encouraging mechanical or very precise performances.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 . Lets be right about what you said. I agree that you have to be able to play the notes but you are now changing tack by saying it doesnt matter whether you play by someone directly teaching you, or by listening to it i.e by ear. Here are two of your previous comments 1. "by'properly' I mean being able to execute every order on the sheet music." 2. "There are no excellent musicians who did not read sheet music" both Broad sweeping statements which don't stand scrutiny
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish 1. Yes, executing every order on the sheet music as in being able to play all the musical directions. They could be learnt in a number of ways.
2. I stand by this statement simply because most good music is most easily learnt via sheet music. If somebody devises a better way of learning music then I am sure sheet music will become obsolete, but for now, it's kinda useful. But there may be some who don't read sheet music, which is fine as long as they can still play it correctly
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 I think we have some measure of agreement here. I have never said that sheet music is not useful to some, but neither I have ever regarded it as the only tool for learning to play. Derek Paravacinni, a British concert pianist is well respected and admired throught the musical world. Not only is he autistic but he is totally blind. He is described as having perfect pitch and can not only play but improvise on a piece of music having heard it only once. This sums up my argument.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish So your argument is that an autistic person (known for having extraordinary powers of concentration) with perfect pitch can play and improvise n a piece of music he has heard just one time. He has an incredible talent, good for him. He is able to learn the technique of a piece very quickly, which is great. Finding an example of somebody who is a quick learner does not prove that learning technique, hand position etc is pointless.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 Once again you make a point of missing the point as you always do when presented with something you would rather not know. Paravacinni is only one of many people who have this ability, autistic or otherwise. I did not say that hand postioning, or an ability to read music are competely pointless. I am merely commenting on your slavish adherence to a rigid code of practice, or "carrying out the orders" as you put it. These people and others get by very well without any need to.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish As soon as you present me with evidence that these pianists you are talking about do not use correct hand positioning, finger straightness, etc, I will agree with you. But I highly doubt this will happen. As for 'slavish adherence', it's called discipline, something which all of the top pianists have. All you've proven is that some pianists learn quicker than others, which nobody doubted. They still do all the things I recommend, whether they have the same learning medium or no
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 As you are the one to claim that every pianist conforms to what you call "correct" hand positioning ( and after all "correct" only means someone's idea of correct,, as music is not a science) then perhaps you can provide me with evidence that every single professional pianist adopts the exact same hand positioning. I was told by a concert pianist that they all have their own individual idiosyncrasies and it is possible to identify a pianist just by seeing the hands on the keyboard
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish By correct I simply mean efficient and flawless; and I deem Myleene Klass's hand positioning to be very flawed because it is too extended and wild. In a harder piece she would find herself missing notes very often.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish I have watched this several times over. It is obviously very styalised. If you believe that this is exactly the way she was playing the piano, then you must also believe that she was able to simultaneously walk up stairs, to appear in doorways and that she was surrounded by pieces of paper blowing in the wind. I'm afraid you can't cherry-pick and just believe the bits of it that suit your argument.
blackbeasthamish 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish I would like to add that the inane electronic sound effects and drum beat make this the biggest insult to Bach that I have ever heard. It detracts so much from the emotion and sincerity of the piece that I have no idea why this video has any thumbs up.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@blackbeasthamish Except it was not innovative, and it was not an entertaining interpretation. Not all interpretation of a song are good, and I believe I am entitled ot make a slightly lengthier and more interesting comment than 'This is indeed a different interpretation of Bach.' I will also add that far from being fluent and emotional, it was actually a very mechanical interpretation, so you are contradicting yourself on that score.
Meanman332 1 year ago
esto es como un tipo de musica instrumental
zackfarro 1 year ago
i have the sheet music for this its 20 pages in all
I would love to learn this
MultiJoe7 1 year ago
@MultiJoe7 hi is there any way that i can get this sheets?
darena90 1 year ago
pantene bich
sing pure and simple bich
petujaymz 1 year ago
Very lovely keeps you move forward....
XXX555ZZZ 1 year ago
I'm not seeing the piano anymore, I'm burning HERE!!!!
mystirboy 1 year ago
Un clip très commercial, vendu par le sexe.
BoyT0oY 1 year ago
Critical fools. Allow artists to be that... Artists. I'm glad to see she's bringing some sexuality into piano... steeling it away from singers for just a bit. Loved this vid.
rob1wifey 1 year ago
@rob1wifey Critical fools? Who exactly are you referring to, and what is your argument exactly? ...Lest you'd rather appear a fool yourself, you'd do well to be more specific in the future.
(this is disregarding the fact that you brought up the superficial 'sexualized' aspect of the video to argue it's superiority)
STorpedo 1 year ago
@STorpedo... lol Not sure why you attacked. If you go back in the comments alot of people were complaining how the sexuality (and yes an open back shot is sexual... unless maybe one don't have a sex drive... then maybe ya, its not appealing to the sexual nature) and the artistry of the video takes away from the qualitiy and history of the piece. I did not appear a fool but I do not always wish to "call someone out" either.
And arguing its superiority? Over what? Not sure where you see that.
rob1wifey 1 year ago
aside from the few tidbits of imitative counterpoint that pop up here and there, this is by no means a fugue. at least she didn't turn it into a latin jam like vanessa mae did...
b0ttomzone 1 year ago
I love this version.. only thing I missed a bit was the very soft piano in the beginning. It felt like it was edited too softly. Beyond that.. definately on my favourite list. :D
Shaudh 1 year ago
Truly amazing filipina talent :) Proud to be filipino. Gudluck Myleene
nheborne16 1 year ago
i like it!
lollypopgirl15 1 year ago
..........hell no.
SuddenCry 1 year ago
very dramatic
NeonRocks377 1 year ago
This song could really do without the synth patches. And by really, I mean REALLY. As far as the song goes, there's really nothing added to the composition in the harmony and production stages to warrant this version. So if you know what's good for you, find something else.
STorpedo 1 year ago
@STorpedo there is sections added to this variation, and i know because i spend four days writing out the sheet music so i can play this piece, so if anybody wants it let me know :)
allthenamesrtook 1 year ago
@allthenamesrtook The violins, you mean? Aren't they just chopped up versions of the main melody? Or just some basic scalar variations? (And why did you spend 4 days writing out the music sheet if you can find it anywhere and just use basic theory to figure out the embellishments?)
STorpedo 1 year ago
@STorpedo because its better to have the sheet music and there are variations on the piano as well and you would need more than basic theory to work it out, you would need roughly grade 6 theory to work it out because of knowing how long each note is so you can write it in the sheets and also the beaming of the notes oh and you cant find this version of the sheet music anywhere as the owner of the rights has never released it for publication.
allthenamesrtook 1 year ago
@allthenamesrtook You'd need to know the duration of each note? Rhythm and rhythm figures, you mean? That is basic theory. It's done in 4/4 or 6/4 with sixteenth notes, the violins follows the same basic pattern, with, somewhat tasteful, but simple embellishments. The composition is taken from a relatively small fragment of Bach's organ solo, which was primarily used to demonstrate Bach's technical ability (rather than musical). So 'the owner of the rights' has released it for publication.
STorpedo 1 year ago
@STorpedo to be able to write sheet music from listening is DEFINITELY not basic theory. i am currently doing a masters degree and we did not learn writing sheet music correctly till a while ago because its easy to learn each individual section of theory but its hard to put it together. and the owner has not released it because variation require a different copyright license while paying royalties but currently nobody owns the rights to the original Bach composition
allthenamesrtook 1 year ago
@allthenamesrtook Ok, then we DEFINITELY have different expectations. My 9 year old cousin will be able to play this composition by ear without much problem, get it completely right by the third run through. In most music schools you are expected to know 75% of theory and solfege before you finish school. Quite honestly, if you are doing a masters degree in this and if it's difficult for you to make sense of this song, I hope for your sake that you're not expecting to make a career out of this.
STorpedo 1 year ago
@STorpedo you really don't understand what i am saying, playing the piece is easy i never said it was hard and unless they are a music genius i really doubt they could play it properly, people like you really annoy me because u play the song how u hear it and not how the sheet music says because u cant read sheet music properly so you just play it close to how it should sound. and music schools are different because they specialize in it like the royal academy of music so learn to understand.
allthenamesrtook 1 year ago
@allthenamesrtook Ok, let's not hijack the comment page, I'll send you a pm.
STorpedo 1 year ago
@allthenamesrtook
This piece of music is not a 'song' -- why don't you stop arguing and enjoy this modern [pleasing] interpretation of the composition.
rmatmcam 1 year ago
@rmatmcam i know its not a song because there is no singing but it can also be called a song because it includes both the toccata and fugue and that was an old comment so let it go because i was only saying it can be hard ro listen to a piece of music and write it as sheet music
allthenamesrtook 1 year ago
the reason its so windy around the piano is to make us guys sweat
esotericeric93 1 year ago 3
This is cool!
fightersanime 1 year ago
very nice, but i dont really like this particular interpretation of back's toccata and fuque
sensangsun 1 year ago
I love her music but I can't seem to download it anywhere. I'm very willing to pay but can't get it from Amazon or iTunes. I only see the UK version and I can't order from there b/c I'm American. Does anyone have any tips?
leadingladybug 1 year ago
does anyone know who was the video producer/director of this clip?
aGokcin 1 year ago
make me feel just like Maksim's video...but don't know who's first...
Nat1218 1 year ago
Nothing special =/
LSSTS 1 year ago
She can be everything, she got talent !
yordydeyordy 2 years ago
she's more a model than a pianist..
mees04101993 2 years ago 20
great theater ; )
eduardod3caramujo 2 years ago
Trop fort :D
Esodmgs3 2 years ago
i can only hear a little of fugue which kinda sucks
JuyoNi 2 years ago
Why is it so windy around that piano? x)
LabakiTurbo 2 years ago 57
@LabakiTurbo: Maybe it's the air con on max?!?!?!?
tigerpeach 1 year ago
@LabakiTurbo obvious reference to the prince of the power of the air.
at987ta 1 year ago
@LabakiTurbo It must be the sheer amounts of sex that's rushing towards her >_>
rawrgrr4298 1 year ago
It would be better if she was naked whilst playing the piano.
BigBoss7777777 2 years ago 3
She is very pretty, but musically there is nothing interesting here.
And where is the fugue ??!!??
crx59crx 2 years ago 3
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PeterArmstrong19 2 years ago
Does Myleene Klass really play? I always thought she was sort of a fraud lol
PeterArmstrong19 2 years ago
she cant play - its all marketing
snifnscratch 2 years ago
@snifnscratch she went to royal acadmy of music so she is better than most
allthenamesrtook 2 years ago
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@PeterArmstrong19
She can play. She got an A in A-Level music then went to a music college.
It's a shame that she's such an attention-seeking bitch.
Nextil81 2 years ago
@Nextil81 she does not seek attention thats why u hear nothing of her and she went to the royal acadamy of music
allthenamesrtook 2 years ago 4
@PeterArmstrong19 she went to royal acadmy of music so she is better than most
allthenamesrtook 2 years ago 5
my god i HATE this cow, everytime i see her on telly i just feel like panning her face in with a hammer.
SWF90 2 years ago
@SWF90 go bite on a rats dick
betimsi 2 years ago
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she is a smug, arrogant bitch who thinks shes good looking and that people care about her. How wrong she is
snifnscratch 2 years ago
@snifnscratch I imagined... lol
PeterArmstrong19 2 years ago 2
"Myleene Klass - Toccata and Fugue" and a kitchen knife. She should have been arrested and charged
snifnscratch 2 years ago
@snifnscratch - Wtf? So what? She felt threatened by who were no doubt a group of thugs in her garden.
Not understanding the hate directed towards her. Possibly jealousy. She seems like such a lovely person.
renza88 2 years ago 2
sukcs
aalexxanderr 2 years ago
does anyone know where 2 find the sheet music???
my website dont have it:(
=D
LA55A51N0 2 years ago
oh my God. i didn't you know play classical piano. i'm very proud knowing you're half Filipina! cheers to you!
libetta 2 years ago
I am a great dane called Andrew. I like this music. You might like the music on my video Helping My Mum In The Kitchen because it's the other half of the wonderful piece played here by Mylene!
DanesAndrewAndOlive 2 years ago
u are so cute and you know to sing verry good..i learn this song 3 days ago...i love it...:X:X♥♥♥♥♥♥.....i love this song..:X:X
i know to sing at piano..i have 7 years......and i'm 14 years
Alysk84ever14 2 years ago
I love pretty female artists who actually perform!!! We need more.
Gtrplyr1 2 years ago
omg is this where they got the oruchimaru theme form naruto omg it soo ominess
Amarun535 2 years ago
u r so correct :)
t0p0l1eve4 2 years ago
she looks just like her brother
afauaticas3 2 years ago
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afauaticas3 2 years ago
she is one awesome pianist! i wanna be like her!
Simpsonfreak1 2 years ago
His music?!? Myleene IS a girl. . .
1talyk1ti14 2 years ago
and a very nice looking one hehe
LastChancghost 2 years ago
Amazing tune, amazing woman
sgingerman 2 years ago
I love his musik!!!!5+
WindyBlown 2 years ago
Hate to break it to you but it's a she not a he.
LastChancghost 2 years ago
@LastChancghost
Are you sure. I mean she threatens people with a knife, and thats usually a male thing: "I`ll stab you"
snifnscratch 2 years ago
What is the wristband she is wearing called i want one cos i play the piano and i want to play with style.
Where can i buy it?
Camden?
TheKarlJenkins 2 years ago
ugh... I wish I could play the piano just cause Myleene can
Tenten411 2 years ago
it´s very nice song from myleene
MegaJimmy55 2 years ago
Mass pra carai
fogo18fogo 2 years ago
I don't agree. It is each time a new interpretation. Each time a person sing a song, performs it or even whistles it, it is a new interpretation of the song. It keeps the song alive, remembered. Like you can't cross the same river twice, you can't play the same song again. Even if the song is performed exactly as before, you have already changed...
So don't try to just critisize but try to enjoy ...
spacekiwikit 2 years ago 22
I totally agree! And the same goes for films, some remakes seem really bad, but sometimes it can be refreshing...
1bigjess 2 years ago