These carriage horses are some of the best kept horses in the U.S. You people who are giving the owners of these horses a bad time are just plain clueless about horses. C..L..U..E..L..E..S..S!!!!
Other horses should have it so good. Look at the auctions and feedlots where horses are taken because the owner doesn't want to care for them anymore. The horses are emaciated, hooves so long they have trouble walking, sores, sick, and just plain sad.
@StopLiesSeeTruth Yes, I received your private message, where you talked about your "turnout farm." In other words, these poor horses receive NO turnout while they are in the city and working their fannies off for you. They get an occasional respite for a few weeks, then back to what amounts to horse prison.
@TreasureOne no, you clueless git. my horses work 6 weeks on, 12 weeks off. I'm sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with a left wing radical moron who can only see evil. You obviously know little or nothing about horses or anything equine. The prison you refer to is called....a stable. There are many around the world .
So when you didn't "see" the turnouts that was "weird" now that you have, the stable is now a "prison"
@StopLiesSeeTruth Actually, I'm an A circuit groom to national level, as well as a vet assistant. I left the TB industry because lack of turnout was one of the issues. But thank you for your classy, yet erroneous response.
@TreasureOne Then you should leave the industry alltogether, you have some nerve, my horses' life is a walk in the park compared to the training and unatural disiplines you put your horses thru. I was right the first time except I forgot to add" holier than thou" to the "clueless git" part.
You are joining the ranks of those who want to stop ALL EQUINE USE.
@TreasureOne Horses working in MANY different disciplines are largely confined to stalls on a regular basis. Jumpers, hunters, dressage, eventers, racers, etc -- many spend most of their working lives in stalls and don't get turned out at all until they're retired.
The boxes are better than I had expected and are not smaller than in some "normal" stables, even though they might still be bigger. I think the ramp is not really a problem for the horses when they are used to it, since to get on a trailer they also have to walk on a ramp - shorter, though. What I don't like but what you don't see here is to let horses trot on asphalt.
I really love the vids that StopLiesSeeTruth posts to show how the NYC carriage horses REALLY live and work. I am proud to have a small livery service that has a horse-drawn carriage available for weddings and other special occasions.
The NYC carriage horse owners take excellent care of their horses, and their stables are much better than my own. I use loafing sheds and small pasture turn out for my horse. I am so impressed that the NYC stables have such nice stables with many amenities.
i only se on think make sure the sprinklers and fans and Things On the Sealing Are High enough for when horses rear they do not hit their heads on them
these horses do look very well taken care of, and all seem to have freash food. May i ask how many working horses you have? What age do they retire at?
@reininghorses57 i have three at the moment. The retirement age a horse depends on the individual horse, my horse finbar retired at the age of 16, whereas my horse finian retired at 14/
@jukietar: at least they have a job and are well taken care of. Do you know how many horses waste their lives away in a pasture, starving because no one cares enough to feed them. They figure, they've got weeds, they'll be fine. WRONG! And if you would pay attention, you'd see that these horses work 6 weeks on and 12 weeks off. Those 12 weeks are spent at a farm in upstate NY. Better they have a job and be cared for than starve in a pasture and potentially be sent to slaughter.
I've owned horses my entire life, starting with wild ponies at birth, so I have experience with them. These are working horses and I understand that. They have nice stalls and are well tended. No denying that. That's the plus. The negative is do they EVER get out of that stall and just enjoy the sunshine or a day to just be a horse, not confined in a stable AND not strapped to a buggy? That would be a problem for me. They need some pasture time on their days off. Is there a fire plan?????
@CimaraNyx Also, I have seen videos of these horses and these stalls are inside huge buildings way up on the umteenth floor. That would also be a problem for me. If I were looking for a place to board my horse, and you showed me this, I'd laugh at you. I'm sorry, but horses need time in a pasture. They like to romp and roll and just be horses. Mine always had acerage to live on, not inside some building when they're not working. That's weird to me..just sayin.
@StopLiesSeeTruth If that is the case, then I do not know what they are protesting. I am an animal right's advocate and a hardcore vegan, but I save my voice for cases where I see abuse, and I actually see none here. As long as they don't end up in slaughterhouses at the end of their careers. Thank you for taking such good care of these horses. :-)
If anyone cares to know, those fans with the mist like that are actually very nice. My grandfather had a setup like that for his mules, and thanks to a stingy grandmother who didn't like to turn on the AC I spent many hot days in the barn with those mules. Almost as good as an AC, except it's kind of wet.
That I've seen from Peta, they barely know which end of the horse is the head, so I don't take them seriously.
those are really nice stables. Those horses get bigger stalls than a lot of the " nice" stables out here in colorado. There is nothing wrong with how these horses are being treated. BTW you have beautiful horses too.
OK, so you clearly want all these horses sent to slaughter. There is no farm waiting for them, no "big pasture" with tall grass beckoning to them. The 50,000 American horses sent to horrific slaughter in Canada and (much worse) in Mexico would be delighted to have a home in one of these stalls and a job pulling carriages in New York. City horses have existed since Roman times. Regulate the carriage industry, yes, but we could do worse for our horses than to bring back the horse and buggy days.
@tyrrath There are farms waiting for them, I own one of them and show it in my vids. All horses in America don't go to slaughter, many live out their lives right here in the USA
@StopLiesSeeTruth Please forgive My mistake! I am not anti carriages! I misunderstood You. There are a lot of R.A.R.A.`s who as You know think all horses should be as they say, " FREE!" and as a carriage driver I have been attacked so many times I have lost count. Please forgive My knee jerk reaction to My misreading of Your comment.
I looove horses especially black clydesdales (I hope you make a vid of one of them soon, because your horses are beautiful)I do like animal welfare etc.. because I am against mediocre slaughter but I really loved your video, It shows you are very smart and know what you're doing, I just hoper the other workers have the facilities you offer your horses as well! But they are gorgeous!
@Bsktballgirly89 First of all these are not full drafts, very few are more than 15.5h, secondly, 10x10 is the smallest of the stalls we have, some are as large as 12x14, the horses are stalled according to size, the stalls were built to fit the existing building, third, these are the largest stalls of ANY stable in the 5 boros of NYC, our Police, and Park Ranger horses are in STANDING stalls (not there's anything wrong with that) they also use draft cross horses, and thorobreds which are taller!
even if you have good stalls and food and water, still they are worked in dangerous conditions everyday, trotted on hard surfaces, pulling heavy loads, no pastures, no time to go out and have a rest, they have the risk of getting hit by cars!
If you'd watched his other vids, you'd see the horses have pastures to play in on break.
People are hardly heavy for a horse to pull. They can pull much heavier loads. And it's not as if these horses are pulling loads at a quickened pace. It's like a human pulling a wagon full of kittens.
Humans can get hit too. We usually do it at 30-40 mph with oncomming traffic in the very next lane. Horses are on the side of the road away from speeding cars. As much risk as a bicyclist.
Wow, I have to go to work every day, have the risk of getting hit by cars. I don't get the play all the time. Where's my big green grass lawn?
These are well-cared for animals. Save your campaigning for the mustangs that are living in tiny pens and overcrowded conditions. I'd say adopt one, but I think you'd just have a big lawn ornament and that's not healthy for an animal.
@rockymntgirl215 The carriages are fiberglass on bearing wheels very easy to pull, I show a vid with a small stable man pulling the carrige uphill!, there are pastures! and plenty of them , most horse only work about six months a year, in my case my horses work 3 months, so plenty of tme to rest and play. The law here states a minimum of 5 weeks off per year.
So....where do you get your facts from??!! You post like you know everything about MY business and how MY horses are cared for.
@rockymntgirl215 If you take some time to view my other vids you will see plenty of pastures, New York also has New York State nearby, and we have horse trailers and trucks.... watch the vids
This isn't anything different then show horses. They are always in stalls. Only exercise they get when they are ridden in the arena. I think this stable is very nice set up. our stalls are the same with bars between our horses too.
My horses are working riding horses, i dont see anyone mouthing off at riding schools or top class competition horses who are also stabled 24/7 in a safe way to prevent injury to themselves so that there owner can compete.
Some horses are stabled, some horses are out 24/7, as long as you are looking after the horse well, it is being fed water exercised and loved then good on you! horse need regular exercise, if they were "just in a feild" they would end up over weight and laminitic.
And to all those who are complaining about the stalls, I bet you have your dog outside in that pathetic excuse of a backyard right now. Or have a cat locked indoors. You are DEFINITELY no better. You are all hypocrites who are trying to prove something. We all are!
Sir, i congratulate you on the well being of the horses. They look happy and i can tell you love them. :) Dont let the PETA (more like the KKK) scare you.
These horses are already tame so if you let them go into the wild, they will die. Wow, you really make our God proud. If you have not read the Bible, it clearly says that "God gave MAN the power to rule over the animals of God's kingdom" because we are like the shepherd. If you have a pet, get rid of it now. You are abusing the animal too. You are no better. Oh, and would you rather an animal slowly and painfully die from the injury? It takes more courage to put down the animal you love.
If you're keeping animals to work and make money for you, your priority is not their well being but their value as a commodity.
Animal rights group want exactly that, right for animals. They're not out to get you unless you're doing something wrong. And you're doing something wrong by thinking this is an appropriate life for a horse.
Stables are okay, but you're ignoring all the other things they need that you can't give them in NYC. There's also no way to know if this is the norm.
@julisch4444 You truly are a moron, a city is a city and work is work,. Our horses all get time off to graze, if you botherd to watch my videos you would see our horses on farms, one of the farms is mine.
Blabbermouth, it's ok in Vienna but not in New York?
@julisch4444 By the way Vienna HAS THE OLDEST CARRIAGE BUSINESS IN EUROPE, I belive that's a BIG CITY in your country! A little research before you spout off might help.
You're the one who is missing my point, but there's no point in arguing with you as it is clear from your previous posts that you will stubbornly defend your own opinion no matter what (whether you get the point or not).
And I think it's funny you tell me to "lighten up" when you're the one who sounds like an angry pouting 13 year old kid in all of your posts. A little maturity goes a long way.
@StopLiesSeeTruth Saying that the horse's stable is bigger than some humans' bedrooms does nothing to favor your argument. Humans and horses are obviously not the same size. If you insist on comparing the two, you'd have to put it in proportion to what is relative to their own size. With that simple logic in mind, that stable to that horse is about the equivalent of a closet to a human being.
Also, it would behoove you to NOT use immature profanities if you expect people to take you seriously.
@PaintedW0LF I was making the comparison because we are located on the west side of MANHATTAN, where they charge $2400 for a SMALL one bed.
Our stalls are a "standard" size of 10'x10'.
I must insist that your "simple logic" needs to get a clue, and perhaps lighten up while youre at it.
BTW the point of the vid was to show that our stable has good stalls,bedding, auto water,salt blocks,hay racks,a sprinkler system,good light and ventilation fans etc
Man these horses are well spoiled. I would like to be a carriage horse in my next life. :) animal activists and Peta (ha what a joke) can be such a**holes about this. They are wasting peoples time and money when they can be spent on more important things. Like finding the cure for cancer or something...
dont worry, i got you, i have owned my horse for ten years. people are such dumb asses they dont no shit about horses or how to care for them and they think they are being abused, the horsed are not being worked hard at all, i wonder if they will call it abuse when the horses are rounding up cattle, you have a nice barn and the horses look good
I have horses and know it's a lot of work to care for them. I sometimes wonder how they survived in the wild and then I remember that horses kept in captivity live a lot LOT longer than wild horses. People want to see "animal abuse" they should see how horses live in the wild. A wild horse would beg to live in one of these nice stalls away from predators with all the food he can and under cover from the weather.
I don't see any abuse here. Horses don't have 'human' knowledge. They do what they know best and for these guys its carriage driving. As long as they get food and water their content. Peta is giving horses to many 'human' emotions. Yes they feel pain, and what not but they do not have the same ideals as us. I see healthy, happy horses that work hard, because thats what they know.
Your horses are obviously very well taken care of :)
However, would you at least agree that not everyone takes as great care of their horses as you do?
I think this is like everything else in the world, you have your good guys and your bad guys. Take animal rights for example, not all of us are crazy, violent, rude, peta supporters xD
I'm glad your horses are well taken care of, clearly not everyone is bad :)
@MarkYourGrave "would you at least agree" what a loaded question!
What do you mean by "at least"?
Listen petard, I have proof of how horses are treated, not all the horses in my vids are mine! Where is the proof that ANY of the horses are mistreated?
Our horses work in Central Park, the ride is shaded by TREES, so are the areas where we line up
I didn't know horses were allergic to sunshine!?
Before concrete there were COBBLESTONES, roads have been around for thousands of years. Guess what was on those roads before cars? thats right horses and wagons.
Before you become a critic you have to have at least basic knowladge of the subject you are criticizing otherwise you seem like a knownothing moron.
@parellijumper99 A wild horses only real defense is running. Horses don't naturally like trees, because predators can easily sneak up on them when there is cover about. That's why you see pictures of wild horses in wide open fields all day. That is where they feel the safest; where they can see danger coming from a mile away. You are worried about 9 hours in the sun! If in the wild they would want a lot more than that. I have horses I know horses. How many do you own?
@parellijumper99 K so you have horses, you know about them. How much nicer are your horses living conditions than these that you only call them "decent?" You know horse shoes protect their hooves from concrete. Put pictures up of your horses and their living conditions and the animal rights activist will hunt you down as well. All lovers of animals that own horses should support each other from these terrorist groups. Remember, if they had it their way we wouldn't own horses either.
@orlendatube The licenses are for 1) the horse - the horse is inspected by a vet twice a year to ensure the horse's health and suitability for work, 2) the driver - the driver is able to harness and drive the horse in a safe manner, 3) the carriage - the carriage has to be inspected to make sure it is in safe working order, and 4) the stable - the stable is up to code and suitable for horses to live in.
The carriage horses in NYC are the most reguiated horses in the world.
you feed right before they work? ever have problems with colic because of that? I mean it ,makes sense that you do that, so they have energy to work, but i have allways been told thats a no-no. is it a special feed? Thanks for sharing! Love the commentary!
@orlendatube Regarding feeding before work... It's not a problem because the horses aren't doing hard work at all. They're walking. Horses walk and eat all the time.
what these AR idiots dont relize is that if a horse dosnt feel comfertable or safe there NOT going to lay down. obviously they feel safe and comfy in your barn
The NYC carriage horses I've encountered appear well cared for.
It seems to be a case of a few bad apples spoiling it for everyone. Are you, as reputable carriage horse owners, able to exert any kind of peer pressure on the few who mistreat their horses?
Great video! In the case of peta, they see what they want to see to help their cause, but many of them do not understand the needs of horses nor can be bothered learning about it. Do I detect an Irish accent? Great video from Ireland!
great video i can tell that you care about your horses, and your business . they should leave you alone, go after the bad ones . its the bad ones who cause all the trouble . then make it hard for everyone else. what a great business you have. cheers from melbourne australia . we have carriage horses here . the same happens here lies and more lies. some people need to get a life.
ABSOLOULTEY AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OPINION. you are a great man who takes even better care of your horses, and sorry to swear, but the animal rights loners should go get a proper job, like you (i think there jealous), get a social life and go fuck themselves.
Yes there are ome people that are only in it for the money and do not care about that horses but most people in the industry are in it because they love it. Thank you for taking time out of your day to do this so people can see what a stable is like and wht yu have done for the horses.
Good for you! I really appreciate this! I go to an agriculture school in Canada and I am specializing in horses. t really ticks me off to her what everyone thinks is wrong. They do not realize coming from the city background that horses are some of the best kept animals around.
@ali90carp i agree-the uneducated pick on horse keepers for dumb things while there are really BAD practices that some other horse keepers are engaging in that are "accedpted"....its so screwy.....
Why are people up in arms about blinders? I am training my Arabian to drive right now and I have one harness with blinders and one without. It is my understanding that the blinders keep the horse from being afraid of the "thing" looming up behind them. Blinders have been used on harnesses for centuries. Have you found that your horses do as well without blinders?
Freedom of speech is one thing, and I let you have your say, eventhough you are DEAD WRONG on many points. But, calling me or anyone else who works along side animals "toturer" is crossing the line. You are now blocked. Take your idiotic rhetoric somehwere else.
what does 21 have to do with anything. A pretend horse lover. Ok think what you want in your pitiful mind. We used to own horses. No it appears YOU have convinced yourself. DWEEB.
so just because I dont support the carriage-industry, it makes me a member of peta? So of course Im also a satanist because I listen to Marilyn Manson, correct? :D And yes I watched your video, but if you´re unable of having a civilized conversation, I´ll leave it here. You can say anything you please next, doesnt matter cause I wont even check the possible reply of your. Pettings for your horse..
Oh I sure didnt pass the so called point in my last comment, but talked in metaphores. And if you´re uncapable of seeing that, it sure aint my fault ;) + are you bad in reading english? I ALREADY told you Im not a member of peta!!
so just because I dont support the carriage-industry, it makes me a member of peta? So of course Im also a satanist because I listen to Marilyn Manson, correct? :D And yes I watched your video, but if you´re unable of having a civilized conversation, I´ll leave it here. You can say anything you please next, doesnt matter cause I wont even check the possible reply of your. Pettings for your horse..
Oh please don't go, you are such a good example of the knownothing confrontational petaRDS we deal with all the time. Atypical in fact.
No comment you have made has anything to do with the above vid
No one is interested in your support.
The point of the vid is to dispel lies and false accusations from people just like YOU, who know little or nothing of our horses and our business, but are quick to jump on the petaRD bandwagon.
It should be at least 12 x 12 then.. :"Typically, a twelve-foot by twelve-foot stall is considered adequate for all horses. The actual dimensions are more like 11 6" by 11 6" because of standard lumber lengths. If the stall is much smaller than this, there is not much room for them to turn around or just get comfortable. " And it is very important for these horses to be able to strech their legs when they lie..
If youi would actually watch more of my vids you would see a vid with many horses laying down...spread out completely! They have more than adequate room, to do this and roll from side to side. Do you think we dont know how to care for our horses?!
I havent checked all your vids. Im not starting an argue of your knowledge about horses, either. Some professionals also state that "you think we dont know how to care for our horses?! " and still many other pros critisize them, in some cases the media as well (no Im not talking about the carriage-industry). I havent shouted here you people know shit about horses, so why are you getting all angry and defencive like I´d be some spy from Peta? :D
BC your comments sound like thosse of an animal rights activist. You sound lie your criticizing my horse care, and Ive learned to be defensive, bc people do this to me EVERY DAY of my life. That is why Ive had to make 30+ vids and put them on yt for the world to see. People criticize my industries every move...we know what we are doing. we are horse people...not some idiots who just bought a horse to let rot in their back yard.
well Im not a member of peta, will never be ;) and it IS good to know there are people in this business who really DO care about the horses + are knowledged about them. Good for the horses you look after in this job of yours, and I mean it..!
you dont seem to be getting the point sir. animal rights activists are upset also with the general practice, using animal power for human enjoyment and leisure. It dosent even sound right. Maybe its not cruel at your stable, but the practice itself, is not exactly good either. Just because YOUR stables are semi decent, what makes you think other stables around the world arent using cruel practices ?
sorry to intrude but you cant compare one person who deeply loves her horse to someone who only sees the animal as a business, money-tool (racers, sellstables, ridingschools). I love my two cats, but Im not keeping them cause of enjoynment, but because I care for them deeply. People like some racehorse-owners have a more (money)enjoynment-relationship to the horse, when an individual owner not interested in racing, has more bonding relationship to the horse instead of enjoynment.
Excuse me, but I have done more for my horses than MOST people who own backyard horses will ever do! I bought them a 108 acr3e farm, they vacation and retire with me for the rest of their lives. Im with my horses every day! I love them and they love me. How can you possiobly judge how much I love my horses. You are being a JERK saying those things!
I never said you dont care for your horse, so stop accusing me from smth I didnt even say! All I pointed out, is that you cant compare the raceindustry with more simple horseowners, when it comes to enjoynment and money. Plus the best dog/catbreeders dont do it cause of money, but because they´re very interested in that certain breed + love dogs/cats. No catbreeder makes a living out of it, it´s just a hobby ;)
can i just ask a question? do you rotate the horses from the city to your farm? like do have some horses at the farm and some in the city and then you swap them?
@StopLiesSeeTruth I am glad to read about this rotation. I have watched both the Humane Society video and this one and can see these horses clearly have sufficient food and water and plenty deep bedding. We also feed Timothy and its IMO the best hay you can feed to a horse. I would prefer to see those horses in larger stalls, however, knowing that they spend the other 8 months of the year frolicking in pastures makes me think they have it pretty good. Also this is NYC, space is a luxury. :)
Mmm...thought that might get a childish response..like name calling. I see the truth like thousands of others do. No matter how many vids you make, you wont change the fact that NYC horses do not belong in and on the congested streets of NYC. End of!!! P.S my horse's have acres to run round and are fed everyday by me, they have quality lifes as every horse should!!!!
I bought my horses a 108 acre farm...they have MANY acres to roam in. Do you also want all mounted police horses banned hypocrite? I spend more time with my horses than my family. You do what you want with your horses, Ill do what I want with mine. My horses are treated better than MOST in this country. Get a clue and go save an abandoned horse or one that is going to be slaughtered!Dont feel for my well fed, vacationed, well cared for and loved horses!
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Thats a good idea...seeing as many up for auction are worn out over worked NYC horses. Yes you do your thing and i will do mine. I have had my say....if you dont want negative comments dont allow them!!! END OF!!
Show me PROOF of such statements. Youre not only an extremist, but an outright LIAR. I back up EVERY statement I make with PROOF. Wheres your PROOF? Windbag.
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This is MY video..if you dont want my responses to your negative and misleading comments...DONT MAKE THEM in the first place! ugh.
You knw whats REALLY funny. I just read your profile. A middle aged woman, who lives alone with her 2 dogs...hmmm...sounds familiar! Oh, wait! Thats the profile of practically every PETArd on youtube! Im not surprised. And the fact that your horse stomped on you when someone blew an airhorn at him just goes to show why you have a disdain for horses in the city.
You PETAphiles like to go around blaming the world for what happens to you. Well, this just shows me that your traumatic experience is the reason behind you becoming some sort of crazed humaniac. Youre all alike. EVERY single one of you. I would love it if we could get a character profile of all of you freaks and then compare! HA! They would look exactly alike. Youre all carbon copies of the same wackjob mentality.
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Well that all looks fine an dandy...but what about the time the horse needs in a field...to run around, play etc. I have a 16.2 mare and its stable is twice the size of the ones you show...never mind the sprinklers with water...that only wets the straw resulting in horses standing in soggy straw resulting in bad feet!!! You wouldnt need the venitalion stuff etc. if these horses were aloud to run free after after a days work!!! A horse needs soft ground, not just rubber matting! This is pants!!!
There are horses all over the would who don't get daily turnout. I had a buddy in Cali who had to keep his horses in 20X20 pens 24/7 until he moved. There are racehorses who don't get daily turnout because it's unavailable until they go to the farm to refresh, and there are show horses who NEVER get turned out because they are too valuable.
If daily turnout isn't available, one must meet the horses physical and emotional needs, as these drivers do, with daily exercise. Then, when the horses get to vacation on the farm, they do get the daily turnout.
I don't think the misters are releasing enough water to soak the straw. It would behoove (sorry, pun intended) the drivers to keep the horses feet strong, if only because the ASPCA would notice poor, lame feet.
The horses I show are ALL around 16 h. so you WRONG there. Never mind sprinkler system and water !! So your stable doesn't have sprinklers or water ?!?
The staw is changed every day, it never gets "soggy.
WRONG again
Our horses "hooves" are in exelent cond. WRONG again.
Our horses get turn out every few weeks , I show this in my vids.
WRONG again.
Do you see a patern forming here.
I feel sorry for your mare, her owner doesn't know diddly.
"Soul sez: "What bugs me about research into medical problems, is that a lot of those problems, particularly cancers, are caused by products that have been safety tested on animals and approved and "
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and.this is the reason why I said that carcinogenic means causes cancer & not because I think most people don't know at all, just you actually because of your puerile & ridiculous reply, it sure looked like you didnt know!!
Everything can be verified as being true but just because you have not got the brain capacity to comprehend the seriousness or importance of it you have to attack me instead. Duh... what a peculiar way of dealing with an issue of such great importance
Funny how you picked up picked up on that minor issue and totally disregarded the adult major issue of great importance! That's a sign of a simple minded person that! Silly crap? are you for real??
It's true, there are products that are labelled as carcinogenic that have been safety tested on animals and approved as safe. That's just one of the many ways of illustrating how pointless animal testing is! but it gets the product on the market for them and if/when it causes harm they can avoid liability by saying they tested it on animals....Mad isn't it? Carcinogenic means causes cancer. That should concern every mature adult!
The facts that are being shown here speak for themselves.
Argue all you want, the stables are above city and Police stable standards, the horses are turned out 4-6 times a year, all horses are inspecteds by vets, the hours, weather cond. and place of work are regulated.
No one in NYC Carriage Business has been charged or convicited of ANY form of neglect. EVER !!
Despite the fact that we are overseen and inspected by a bias agency, namely the aspca.
And, having worked in the pharmaceutical industry, they don't release medicine to the public based only on animal tests. If it proves safe and workable on animals, it must then be sent through human trials. No one gets a medicine that was only tested in rats. That's just a stupid idea perpetuated by ARAs. Now, long term exposure to a drug will only be known after it has been used, obviously, long term. That's the rub, no matter what species you are talking about.
I know, after using animals they then use humans in clinical trials, the humans are then the 'guinea pigs'! and we have seen disastrous human trials & serious side effects & thats after passing as 'safe' on animals, but they werent safe for humans! TGN1412 trials, six volunteers immune systems shut down 1/2 hr after being dosed. Monkeys were given 50 times their dose and yet did not predict that reaction! Mercks drug Vioxx protected the hearts of monkeys but had the opposite effect in humans.
What bugs me about research into medical problems, is that a lot of those problems, particularly cancers, are caused by products that have been safety tested on animals and approved and are even listed on the labels as being carcinogenic! They rely on the publics ignorance because they know that it's only a minority that bother to pay attention to what is happening but thankfully that is changing with tv exposures about all the dangers of chemicals. Look on Safer Medicines site for info.
Also, soul, I happen to strongly believe that humans in prison should be able to volunteer for medical testing, heavily regulated to prevent coercion of course. But if it came down to a beagle suffering in the name of saving the health of my child, sorry about the dog. All testing needs to be done as humanely as possible, but it stands to reason that it is a good early working model for how a compound will work on living tissue.
Well if they 'volunteer' then thats their decision, isnt it? and as well as regualted to prevent coercion I think they should be well informed about the dangers of testing drugs on them too, but don't worry apparently the pharmas are moving more testing to the developing world and I don't think it's hard to understand why.
The beagle is not saving the child, that is the emotional blackmail that they have been spoon feeding people for years! along with necessary evil and it is simply not true!
It looks ok but is that water bowl clean :)
discopants62 4 weeks ago
These carriage horses are some of the best kept horses in the U.S. You people who are giving the owners of these horses a bad time are just plain clueless about horses. C..L..U..E..L..E..S..S!!!!
Other horses should have it so good. Look at the auctions and feedlots where horses are taken because the owner doesn't want to care for them anymore. The horses are emaciated, hooves so long they have trouble walking, sores, sick, and just plain sad.
You people have nerve. Clueless and stupid!
Sverre101 2 months ago
Where are the turn out paddocks? I don't see any. Weird.
TreasureOne 2 months ago
@TreasureOne Not so "weird", just look at my other vids. This vid is on the stable not on turn out.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 months ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth Yes, I received your private message, where you talked about your "turnout farm." In other words, these poor horses receive NO turnout while they are in the city and working their fannies off for you. They get an occasional respite for a few weeks, then back to what amounts to horse prison.
TreasureOne 2 months ago
@TreasureOne no, you clueless git. my horses work 6 weeks on, 12 weeks off. I'm sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with a left wing radical moron who can only see evil. You obviously know little or nothing about horses or anything equine. The prison you refer to is called....a stable. There are many around the world .
So when you didn't "see" the turnouts that was "weird" now that you have, the stable is now a "prison"
You debate like like a 5 year old.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 months ago 2
@StopLiesSeeTruth Actually, I'm an A circuit groom to national level, as well as a vet assistant. I left the TB industry because lack of turnout was one of the issues. But thank you for your classy, yet erroneous response.
TreasureOne 2 months ago
@TreasureOne Then you should leave the industry alltogether, you have some nerve, my horses' life is a walk in the park compared to the training and unatural disiplines you put your horses thru. I was right the first time except I forgot to add" holier than thou" to the "clueless git" part.
You are joining the ranks of those who want to stop ALL EQUINE USE.
Talk about shooting youself in the foot~!
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 months ago
@TreasureOne Horses working in MANY different disciplines are largely confined to stalls on a regular basis. Jumpers, hunters, dressage, eventers, racers, etc -- many spend most of their working lives in stalls and don't get turned out at all until they're retired.
alspharmd 2 months ago
Thank you, very informative.
10squidplease 2 months ago
The boxes are better than I had expected and are not smaller than in some "normal" stables, even though they might still be bigger. I think the ramp is not really a problem for the horses when they are used to it, since to get on a trailer they also have to walk on a ramp - shorter, though. What I don't like but what you don't see here is to let horses trot on asphalt.
Cookiemonsterz21 2 months ago
@Cookiemonsterz21 Long before asphalt there were cobbelstones. just as hard' not as even.
Unlike a mounted horse, a carriage horse has no extra weight on their legs or hooves so it does them no harm.
Horses pulled carriages and wagons on cobblestones for thousands of years before asphalt.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 months ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth I didn't say that cobblestones were better, you're right, they. And are worse. And yet asphalt is not good.
Cookiemonsterz21 2 months ago
I would love to board at this stable! the stalls are great and i love the push thing on the automatic wateres!
cali1333 3 months ago
I really love the vids that StopLiesSeeTruth posts to show how the NYC carriage horses REALLY live and work. I am proud to have a small livery service that has a horse-drawn carriage available for weddings and other special occasions.
The NYC carriage horse owners take excellent care of their horses, and their stables are much better than my own. I use loafing sheds and small pasture turn out for my horse. I am so impressed that the NYC stables have such nice stables with many amenities.
ProudofCarriageHorse 3 months ago 3
i only se on think make sure the sprinklers and fans and Things On the Sealing Are High enough for when horses rear they do not hit their heads on them
Gingersnap27239 5 months ago
@Gingersnap27239 sure thing
StopLiesSeeTruth 5 months ago
these horses do look very well taken care of, and all seem to have freash food. May i ask how many working horses you have? What age do they retire at?
reininghorses57 5 months ago
@reininghorses57 i have three at the moment. The retirement age a horse depends on the individual horse, my horse finbar retired at the age of 16, whereas my horse finian retired at 14/
StopLiesSeeTruth 5 months ago
i agree to disagree! horses belong in pasture turn outs, not tiny box stalls in nyc working their lives away simply as a commodity!
jukietar 6 months ago
@jukietar: And how many horses do YOU own? None is my guess.
Sverre101 2 months ago
@jukietar How many horses do you own? None, I bet.
Sverre101 2 months ago
@jukietar: at least they have a job and are well taken care of. Do you know how many horses waste their lives away in a pasture, starving because no one cares enough to feed them. They figure, they've got weeds, they'll be fine. WRONG! And if you would pay attention, you'd see that these horses work 6 weeks on and 12 weeks off. Those 12 weeks are spent at a farm in upstate NY. Better they have a job and be cared for than starve in a pasture and potentially be sent to slaughter.
pinkfeathers2006 1 month ago
I've owned horses my entire life, starting with wild ponies at birth, so I have experience with them. These are working horses and I understand that. They have nice stalls and are well tended. No denying that. That's the plus. The negative is do they EVER get out of that stall and just enjoy the sunshine or a day to just be a horse, not confined in a stable AND not strapped to a buggy? That would be a problem for me. They need some pasture time on their days off. Is there a fire plan?????
CimaraNyx 7 months ago
@CimaraNyx Also, I have seen videos of these horses and these stalls are inside huge buildings way up on the umteenth floor. That would also be a problem for me. If I were looking for a place to board my horse, and you showed me this, I'd laugh at you. I'm sorry, but horses need time in a pasture. They like to romp and roll and just be horses. Mine always had acerage to live on, not inside some building when they're not working. That's weird to me..just sayin.
CimaraNyx 7 months ago
@CimaraNyx Watch the other vids, they address all your concerns, my horses enjoy pasture time too.
StopLiesSeeTruth 7 months ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth If that is the case, then I do not know what they are protesting. I am an animal right's advocate and a hardcore vegan, but I save my voice for cases where I see abuse, and I actually see none here. As long as they don't end up in slaughterhouses at the end of their careers. Thank you for taking such good care of these horses. :-)
CimaraNyx 7 months ago 8
If anyone cares to know, those fans with the mist like that are actually very nice. My grandfather had a setup like that for his mules, and thanks to a stingy grandmother who didn't like to turn on the AC I spent many hot days in the barn with those mules. Almost as good as an AC, except it's kind of wet.
That I've seen from Peta, they barely know which end of the horse is the head, so I don't take them seriously.
beefchops2011 7 months ago 4
those are really nice stables. Those horses get bigger stalls than a lot of the " nice" stables out here in colorado. There is nothing wrong with how these horses are being treated. BTW you have beautiful horses too.
gmhsphs 7 months ago 3
OK, so you clearly want all these horses sent to slaughter. There is no farm waiting for them, no "big pasture" with tall grass beckoning to them. The 50,000 American horses sent to horrific slaughter in Canada and (much worse) in Mexico would be delighted to have a home in one of these stalls and a job pulling carriages in New York. City horses have existed since Roman times. Regulate the carriage industry, yes, but we could do worse for our horses than to bring back the horse and buggy days.
tyrrath 9 months ago 2
@tyrrath There are farms waiting for them, I own one of them and show it in my vids. All horses in America don't go to slaughter, many live out their lives right here in the USA
StopLiesSeeTruth 9 months ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth NO! There are not farms waiting for them! I wish that was true, but its not.
chaos0691 3 months ago
@chaos0691 I show my farm and others in my vids, some of my horses have been retired for 11 years.
You are entitled to own opinion, but not your own facts. The FACT is THERE ARE FARMS WAITING FOR THEM., period. You can only see darkness.
StopLiesSeeTruth 3 months ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth Please forgive My mistake! I am not anti carriages! I misunderstood You. There are a lot of R.A.R.A.`s who as You know think all horses should be as they say, " FREE!" and as a carriage driver I have been attacked so many times I have lost count. Please forgive My knee jerk reaction to My misreading of Your comment.
chaos0691 3 months ago
Man, that straw looks more comfy than my dorm bed and his horses are getting better food than I am XD
annie4horses 9 months ago 2
What a beautiful barn!
flyinfurflorida 10 months ago
I looove horses especially black clydesdales (I hope you make a vid of one of them soon, because your horses are beautiful)I do like animal welfare etc.. because I am against mediocre slaughter but I really loved your video, It shows you are very smart and know what you're doing, I just hoper the other workers have the facilities you offer your horses as well! But they are gorgeous!
dpREDDJOAN 10 months ago
10' by 10' is not adequate space for a draft horse
Bsktballgirly89 10 months ago
@Bsktballgirly89 First of all these are not full drafts, very few are more than 15.5h, secondly, 10x10 is the smallest of the stalls we have, some are as large as 12x14, the horses are stalled according to size, the stalls were built to fit the existing building, third, these are the largest stalls of ANY stable in the 5 boros of NYC, our Police, and Park Ranger horses are in STANDING stalls (not there's anything wrong with that) they also use draft cross horses, and thorobreds which are taller!
StopLiesSeeTruth 10 months ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth 15.5hh??? Did you mean 15.2hh?
Sverre101 2 months ago
@Sverre101 Sorry, my bad. 15.2 hands. Thanks
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 months ago
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@Bsktballgirly89 I`m sure You do care about horses, but You are wrong about the stalls not being big enough.
chaos0691 3 months ago
even if you have good stalls and food and water, still they are worked in dangerous conditions everyday, trotted on hard surfaces, pulling heavy loads, no pastures, no time to go out and have a rest, they have the risk of getting hit by cars!
rockymntgirl215 10 months ago
@rockymntgirl215
If you'd watched his other vids, you'd see the horses have pastures to play in on break.
People are hardly heavy for a horse to pull. They can pull much heavier loads. And it's not as if these horses are pulling loads at a quickened pace. It's like a human pulling a wagon full of kittens.
Humans can get hit too. We usually do it at 30-40 mph with oncomming traffic in the very next lane. Horses are on the side of the road away from speeding cars. As much risk as a bicyclist.
thescarybox 10 months ago
@thescarybox hahahaha. I love your reference!! may have to use that one next time someone says my horse is working too hard!
pinkfeathers2006 1 month ago
Wow, I have to go to work every day, have the risk of getting hit by cars. I don't get the play all the time. Where's my big green grass lawn?
These are well-cared for animals. Save your campaigning for the mustangs that are living in tiny pens and overcrowded conditions. I'd say adopt one, but I think you'd just have a big lawn ornament and that's not healthy for an animal.
jeriireland 8 months ago
@rockymntgirl215 The carriages are fiberglass on bearing wheels very easy to pull, I show a vid with a small stable man pulling the carrige uphill!, there are pastures! and plenty of them , most horse only work about six months a year, in my case my horses work 3 months, so plenty of tme to rest and play. The law here states a minimum of 5 weeks off per year.
So....where do you get your facts from??!! You post like you know everything about MY business and how MY horses are cared for.
StopLiesSeeTruth 8 months ago
@rockymntgirl215
well there is not much free space in ny and i woulnt think there are pastures
rockymntgirl215 8 months ago
@rockymntgirl215 If you take some time to view my other vids you will see plenty of pastures, New York also has New York State nearby, and we have horse trailers and trucks.... watch the vids
StopLiesSeeTruth 8 months ago
This isn't anything different then show horses. They are always in stalls. Only exercise they get when they are ridden in the arena. I think this stable is very nice set up. our stalls are the same with bars between our horses too.
PaintedHorseLover 1 year ago 2
My horses are working riding horses, i dont see anyone mouthing off at riding schools or top class competition horses who are also stabled 24/7 in a safe way to prevent injury to themselves so that there owner can compete.
Some horses are stabled, some horses are out 24/7, as long as you are looking after the horse well, it is being fed water exercised and loved then good on you! horse need regular exercise, if they were "just in a feild" they would end up over weight and laminitic.
imcharming1011101110 1 year ago 2
And to all those who are complaining about the stalls, I bet you have your dog outside in that pathetic excuse of a backyard right now. Or have a cat locked indoors. You are DEFINITELY no better. You are all hypocrites who are trying to prove something. We all are!
Sir, i congratulate you on the well being of the horses. They look happy and i can tell you love them. :) Dont let the PETA (more like the KKK) scare you.
H8meBreakme 1 year ago 2
These horses are already tame so if you let them go into the wild, they will die. Wow, you really make our God proud. If you have not read the Bible, it clearly says that "God gave MAN the power to rule over the animals of God's kingdom" because we are like the shepherd. If you have a pet, get rid of it now. You are abusing the animal too. You are no better. Oh, and would you rather an animal slowly and painfully die from the injury? It takes more courage to put down the animal you love.
H8meBreakme 1 year ago
If you're keeping animals to work and make money for you, your priority is not their well being but their value as a commodity.
Animal rights group want exactly that, right for animals. They're not out to get you unless you're doing something wrong. And you're doing something wrong by thinking this is an appropriate life for a horse.
Stables are okay, but you're ignoring all the other things they need that you can't give them in NYC. There's also no way to know if this is the norm.
thepunkdelusion 1 year ago 2
@julisch4444 You truly are a moron, a city is a city and work is work,. Our horses all get time off to graze, if you botherd to watch my videos you would see our horses on farms, one of the farms is mine.
Blabbermouth, it's ok in Vienna but not in New York?
moron
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
maybe you are proud of your big stables and you just want us to show what a good live you horses have.
but a horse doesn´t live in stables !!
a horse needs a big pasture, where it can run and eate grass
a horse doesn´t belong in a city like new york !!!!
julisch4444 1 year ago
@julisch4444 By the way Vienna HAS THE OLDEST CARRIAGE BUSINESS IN EUROPE, I belive that's a BIG CITY in your country! A little research before you spout off might help.
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
@julisch4444
SU2340 1 year ago
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SU2340 1 year ago
@julisch4444 your an idiot .
planes100 10 months ago
You're the one who is missing my point, but there's no point in arguing with you as it is clear from your previous posts that you will stubbornly defend your own opinion no matter what (whether you get the point or not).
And I think it's funny you tell me to "lighten up" when you're the one who sounds like an angry pouting 13 year old kid in all of your posts. A little maturity goes a long way.
PaintedW0LF 1 year ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth Saying that the horse's stable is bigger than some humans' bedrooms does nothing to favor your argument. Humans and horses are obviously not the same size. If you insist on comparing the two, you'd have to put it in proportion to what is relative to their own size. With that simple logic in mind, that stable to that horse is about the equivalent of a closet to a human being.
Also, it would behoove you to NOT use immature profanities if you expect people to take you seriously.
PaintedW0LF 1 year ago
@PaintedW0LF I was making the comparison because we are located on the west side of MANHATTAN, where they charge $2400 for a SMALL one bed.
Our stalls are a "standard" size of 10'x10'.
I must insist that your "simple logic" needs to get a clue, and perhaps lighten up while youre at it.
BTW the point of the vid was to show that our stable has good stalls,bedding, auto water,salt blocks,hay racks,a sprinkler system,good light and ventilation fans etc
Way to TOTALLY miss the point mr critic
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago 3
also horses only lie down in a stable if they feel truly comfortable or relaxed in their surroundings.
IndieB3 1 year ago
Man these horses are well spoiled. I would like to be a carriage horse in my next life. :) animal activists and Peta (ha what a joke) can be such a**holes about this. They are wasting peoples time and money when they can be spent on more important things. Like finding the cure for cancer or something...
IndieB3 1 year ago
dont worry, i got you, i have owned my horse for ten years. people are such dumb asses they dont no shit about horses or how to care for them and they think they are being abused, the horsed are not being worked hard at all, i wonder if they will call it abuse when the horses are rounding up cattle, you have a nice barn and the horses look good
nicole9463 1 year ago
VERY handy feeder!!!! Very well taken care of horses!!! Thanks for this video!!!
Anchored4 1 year ago
I have horses and know it's a lot of work to care for them. I sometimes wonder how they survived in the wild and then I remember that horses kept in captivity live a lot LOT longer than wild horses. People want to see "animal abuse" they should see how horses live in the wild. A wild horse would beg to live in one of these nice stalls away from predators with all the food he can and under cover from the weather.
ondfritz2 1 year ago
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I don't see any abuse here. Horses don't have 'human' knowledge. They do what they know best and for these guys its carriage driving. As long as they get food and water their content. Peta is giving horses to many 'human' emotions. Yes they feel pain, and what not but they do not have the same ideals as us. I see healthy, happy horses that work hard, because thats what they know.
briwest11 1 year ago
Your horses are obviously very well taken care of :)
However, would you at least agree that not everyone takes as great care of their horses as you do?
I think this is like everything else in the world, you have your good guys and your bad guys. Take animal rights for example, not all of us are crazy, violent, rude, peta supporters xD
I'm glad your horses are well taken care of, clearly not everyone is bad :)
MarkYourGrave 1 year ago
@MarkYourGrave "would you at least agree" what a loaded question!
What do you mean by "at least"?
Listen petard, I have proof of how horses are treated, not all the horses in my vids are mine! Where is the proof that ANY of the horses are mistreated?
None are so blind as those who refuse to see!
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
O.K. so your horses have desent living quarters but how about when they spend 9 hours a day on concrete, with no protection from the sun?
parellijumper99 1 year ago
@parellijumper99 The word is "decent"
Our horses work in Central Park, the ride is shaded by TREES, so are the areas where we line up
I didn't know horses were allergic to sunshine!?
Before concrete there were COBBLESTONES, roads have been around for thousands of years. Guess what was on those roads before cars? thats right horses and wagons.
Before you become a critic you have to have at least basic knowladge of the subject you are criticizing otherwise you seem like a knownothing moron.
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
@parellijumper99 A wild horses only real defense is running. Horses don't naturally like trees, because predators can easily sneak up on them when there is cover about. That's why you see pictures of wild horses in wide open fields all day. That is where they feel the safest; where they can see danger coming from a mile away. You are worried about 9 hours in the sun! If in the wild they would want a lot more than that. I have horses I know horses. How many do you own?
ondfritz2 1 year ago
@parellijumper99 K so you have horses, you know about them. How much nicer are your horses living conditions than these that you only call them "decent?" You know horse shoes protect their hooves from concrete. Put pictures up of your horses and their living conditions and the animal rights activist will hunt you down as well. All lovers of animals that own horses should support each other from these terrorist groups. Remember, if they had it their way we wouldn't own horses either.
ondfritz2 1 year ago
what are the liscenses for? do they have to be certified fit to be driven?
orlendatube 1 year ago
@orlendatube The licenses are for 1) the horse - the horse is inspected by a vet twice a year to ensure the horse's health and suitability for work, 2) the driver - the driver is able to harness and drive the horse in a safe manner, 3) the carriage - the carriage has to be inspected to make sure it is in safe working order, and 4) the stable - the stable is up to code and suitable for horses to live in.
The carriage horses in NYC are the most reguiated horses in the world.
thedrafthorse 1 year ago
This is excellent! I was very interested to see how urban horses live!
LOL-about the "cages"-plenty of barns keep solid walls between the horses and tehy cant see eachother at all!
Your setup is lovely and your horses are all well behaved and seem content.
hehe-when horses have hay in teh mouths like that, i call it a "snack for later".
orlendatube 1 year ago
you feed right before they work? ever have problems with colic because of that? I mean it ,makes sense that you do that, so they have energy to work, but i have allways been told thats a no-no. is it a special feed? Thanks for sharing! Love the commentary!
orlendatube 1 year ago
@orlendatube Regarding feeding before work... It's not a problem because the horses aren't doing hard work at all. They're walking. Horses walk and eat all the time.
thedrafthorse 1 year ago
@thedrafthorse Hey man, how ya been? Hope all is well, go to hear from you.
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
Good job!
cedarknollfarm 1 year ago
what these AR idiots dont relize is that if a horse dosnt feel comfertable or safe there NOT going to lay down. obviously they feel safe and comfy in your barn
coorscowgirl101 1 year ago 2
horse rights activists are idiots!! they eed to fuck off!!
vivienleigh1097 1 year ago
gorgous horses, what breads do you have?
bethluvshorses 1 year ago
My horses are cross bred, mainly Percheron/ Morgan cross
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
there gorgous and morgan if my fave breed of horse x
bethluvshorses 1 year ago
Why isn't there a picture of the outside of the building?
CentralParkBlogger 1 year ago
There is !!
On more than one vid !!
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
No, there isn't, I just watched it again. There is a picture of the cobblestone street, but none of the front of the building.
If you could please direct me to the other video that has it I'd be happy to watch it.
CentralParkBlogger 1 year ago
The NYC carriage horses I've encountered appear well cared for.
It seems to be a case of a few bad apples spoiling it for everyone. Are you, as reputable carriage horse owners, able to exert any kind of peer pressure on the few who mistreat their horses?
TheZwooon 1 year ago
What few are you taliking about?
We have no mistreated horses.
Listen up, the petaRDS have been looking for these horses you speak of for years, as of yet they can only find them in their twisted minds.
Next loaded question.
StopLiesSeeTruth 1 year ago
Great video! In the case of peta, they see what they want to see to help their cause, but many of them do not understand the needs of horses nor can be bothered learning about it. Do I detect an Irish accent? Great video from Ireland!
diskinfire 2 years ago 2
great video i can tell that you care about your horses, and your business . they should leave you alone, go after the bad ones . its the bad ones who cause all the trouble . then make it hard for everyone else. what a great business you have. cheers from melbourne australia . we have carriage horses here . the same happens here lies and more lies. some people need to get a life.
planes100 2 years ago 5
@planes100
ABSOLOULTEY AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OPINION. you are a great man who takes even better care of your horses, and sorry to swear, but the animal rights loners should go get a proper job, like you (i think there jealous), get a social life and go fuck themselves.
thank you for putting this video online.
DeadGoodMusic 2 years ago 3
Yes there are ome people that are only in it for the money and do not care about that horses but most people in the industry are in it because they love it. Thank you for taking time out of your day to do this so people can see what a stable is like and wht yu have done for the horses.
Thank you
ali90carp 2 years ago 4
Dear StopLies SeeTruth;
Good for you! I really appreciate this! I go to an agriculture school in Canada and I am specializing in horses. t really ticks me off to her what everyone thinks is wrong. They do not realize coming from the city background that horses are some of the best kept animals around.
ali90carp 2 years ago 6
@ali90carp i agree-the uneducated pick on horse keepers for dumb things while there are really BAD practices that some other horse keepers are engaging in that are "accedpted"....its so screwy.....
orlendatube 1 year ago
Well, that is an admirable record.
Why are people up in arms about blinders? I am training my Arabian to drive right now and I have one harness with blinders and one without. It is my understanding that the blinders keep the horse from being afraid of the "thing" looming up behind them. Blinders have been used on harnesses for centuries. Have you found that your horses do as well without blinders?
laslobas1234 2 years ago 4
They are refering to the peta sponsered movie "blinders"
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Our safety record is unblemished, not one passenger or pedestrian killed in modern memory.
FYI Police Horses, Ranger Horses and riding stable horses all deal with NYC traffic and have done for decades.
These are "facts" and not someone's idle passing thoughts.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Freedom of speech is one thing, and I let you have your say, eventhough you are DEAD WRONG on many points. But, calling me or anyone else who works along side animals "toturer" is crossing the line. You are now blocked. Take your idiotic rhetoric somehwere else.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
omg what an idiot. Funny how this Bible thumping idiot uses cuse words etc...
WiIdFlowerz-get a life.
spam1237 2 years ago 26
Great go and attack people. buttmunch.
FUCK U
spam1237 2 years ago 4
You both are stupid. How is this abuse. This man as you CAN plainly see takes care of his horses well. So FUCK U
spam1237 2 years ago 18
what does 21 have to do with anything. A pretend horse lover. Ok think what you want in your pitiful mind. We used to own horses. No it appears YOU have convinced yourself. DWEEB.
21Sarabi 2 years ago 7
Gorillazlover123, ok just keep on with your crazy talk. ugh
21Sarabi 2 years ago 2
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To be clear, I am NOT a member of peta.
They are hypocrites, by killing they're own animals cause of the injures and such, which is wrong.
And yes i see that your horses are well taken care of.. but just the fact of the carriage rides are just wrong period.
They carry 1000's of pound for hours! And of course crazy drivers, crashing into them.
.. thats why i just want horses to be wild and free to run..
NOBODY can convince me that this is NOT wrong..
Gorillazlover123 2 years ago
First you need to understand the difference between PULLING and CARRYING !!!
moron
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Your an idiot!!
spam1237 2 years ago 9
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so just because I dont support the carriage-industry, it makes me a member of peta? So of course Im also a satanist because I listen to Marilyn Manson, correct? :D And yes I watched your video, but if you´re unable of having a civilized conversation, I´ll leave it here. You can say anything you please next, doesnt matter cause I wont even check the possible reply of your. Pettings for your horse..
Jefrma 2 years ago
jefarma you miss the point so well !! Almost like you are practiced at it.
The point of this vid is to show how many lies the petaRDS tell.
They say there is no, ventilation, windows, fans, box stalls, bedding or water in the stalls or sprinkler system
This and other vids show them to be LIARS plain and simple.
Keep posting, you illustrate my point perfectly.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Oh I sure didnt pass the so called point in my last comment, but talked in metaphores. And if you´re uncapable of seeing that, it sure aint my fault ;) + are you bad in reading english? I ALREADY told you Im not a member of peta!!
Jefrma 2 years ago
Like I said, keep posting, you and your metephores are STILL missing the point.
Did you watch the vid above?
You ramblings have nothing to do with it !
Typical petaRD, babbling on on, with no point, to no end.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
so just because I dont support the carriage-industry, it makes me a member of peta? So of course Im also a satanist because I listen to Marilyn Manson, correct? :D And yes I watched your video, but if you´re unable of having a civilized conversation, I´ll leave it here. You can say anything you please next, doesnt matter cause I wont even check the possible reply of your. Pettings for your horse..
Jefrma 2 years ago
Oh please don't go, you are such a good example of the knownothing confrontational petaRDS we deal with all the time. Atypical in fact.
No comment you have made has anything to do with the above vid
No one is interested in your support.
The point of the vid is to dispel lies and false accusations from people just like YOU, who know little or nothing of our horses and our business, but are quick to jump on the petaRD bandwagon.
Lonley negetive people.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
i highly agree with you about the carriage-industry, Peta and Marilyn Manson.
I love deathcore, screamo, metal name it! but i am NOT a satanist..
just because you like that stuff doesn't mean that you worship the devil.
Gorillazlover123 2 years ago
These horses have it made.
Wasabi4Concrete 2 years ago 3
1:11 that is not even big enough for a fjord, so I hell hope a horse over 140cm doesnt live in it..!
Jefrma 2 years ago
That stall is10' x 11'
We don't use ponies !
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
It should be at least 12 x 12 then.. :"Typically, a twelve-foot by twelve-foot stall is considered adequate for all horses. The actual dimensions are more like 11 6" by 11 6" because of standard lumber lengths. If the stall is much smaller than this, there is not much room for them to turn around or just get comfortable. " And it is very important for these horses to be able to strech their legs when they lie..
Jefrma 2 years ago
If youi would actually watch more of my vids you would see a vid with many horses laying down...spread out completely! They have more than adequate room, to do this and roll from side to side. Do you think we dont know how to care for our horses?!
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
I havent checked all your vids. Im not starting an argue of your knowledge about horses, either. Some professionals also state that "you think we dont know how to care for our horses?! " and still many other pros critisize them, in some cases the media as well (no Im not talking about the carriage-industry). I havent shouted here you people know shit about horses, so why are you getting all angry and defencive like I´d be some spy from Peta? :D
Jefrma 2 years ago
BC your comments sound like thosse of an animal rights activist. You sound lie your criticizing my horse care, and Ive learned to be defensive, bc people do this to me EVERY DAY of my life. That is why Ive had to make 30+ vids and put them on yt for the world to see. People criticize my industries every move...we know what we are doing. we are horse people...not some idiots who just bought a horse to let rot in their back yard.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
well Im not a member of peta, will never be ;) and it IS good to know there are people in this business who really DO care about the horses + are knowledged about them. Good for the horses you look after in this job of yours, and I mean it..!
Jefrma 2 years ago
BTW, no one gives shit if the PeTARDS are upset, most of them suffer from "social dissorders"
Look up the definition of FASCISM, then do a search on the history of animal rights.
You'll discover you are a NAZI !!
WHO KNEW !!
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
you dont seem to be getting the point sir. animal rights activists are upset also with the general practice, using animal power for human enjoyment and leisure. It dosent even sound right. Maybe its not cruel at your stable, but the practice itself, is not exactly good either. Just because YOUR stables are semi decent, what makes you think other stables around the world arent using cruel practices ?
PaulSkinny 2 years ago
You are the one who's missing the point.
Open your eyes you myopic moron, people use animals for enjoyment and leisure everywhere, ALL the time.
Ever hear of people riding horses, racing horses, racing dogs, breeding dogs and cats.
Some people eat animals, really.
Get a clue, go ride a horse.
Do a little research as to how people got around before the combustion engin, then tell me you fore fathers were cruel.
Tell me the Amish and Mennonites are cruel.
Really sir you don't know shit
GFY
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
sorry to intrude but you cant compare one person who deeply loves her horse to someone who only sees the animal as a business, money-tool (racers, sellstables, ridingschools). I love my two cats, but Im not keeping them cause of enjoynment, but because I care for them deeply. People like some racehorse-owners have a more (money)enjoynment-relationship to the horse, when an individual owner not interested in racing, has more bonding relationship to the horse instead of enjoynment.
Jefrma 2 years ago
Excuse me, but I have done more for my horses than MOST people who own backyard horses will ever do! I bought them a 108 acr3e farm, they vacation and retire with me for the rest of their lives. Im with my horses every day! I love them and they love me. How can you possiobly judge how much I love my horses. You are being a JERK saying those things!
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
I never said you dont care for your horse, so stop accusing me from smth I didnt even say! All I pointed out, is that you cant compare the raceindustry with more simple horseowners, when it comes to enjoynment and money. Plus the best dog/catbreeders dont do it cause of money, but because they´re very interested in that certain breed + love dogs/cats. No catbreeder makes a living out of it, it´s just a hobby ;)
Jefrma 2 years ago
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MajesticWolfRunner 2 years ago
can i just ask a question? do you rotate the horses from the city to your farm? like do have some horses at the farm and some in the city and then you swap them?
horsefreak30 2 years ago
At the moment I have 3 horses in my rotation, Pickles, Rufus, and Feinian (you can see them all in my ither vids)
They each work about 6 weeks at a time, in the city, then they go to the farm and a different horses works for 6 weeks ...etc
On average my horses work about 4 months out of each year.
All movements of NYC Carriage horses are recorded by the Dept of Health, Consumer Affairs and the ASPCA.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
@StopLiesSeeTruth I am glad to read about this rotation. I have watched both the Humane Society video and this one and can see these horses clearly have sufficient food and water and plenty deep bedding. We also feed Timothy and its IMO the best hay you can feed to a horse. I would prefer to see those horses in larger stalls, however, knowing that they spend the other 8 months of the year frolicking in pastures makes me think they have it pretty good. Also this is NYC, space is a luxury. :)
syncyndy 1 year ago
Yuo refuse to see the truth, every lie you PeTArded people tell is disproven in my vids. Watch and see.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Mmm...thought that might get a childish response..like name calling. I see the truth like thousands of others do. No matter how many vids you make, you wont change the fact that NYC horses do not belong in and on the congested streets of NYC. End of!!! P.S my horse's have acres to run round and are fed everyday by me, they have quality lifes as every horse should!!!!
mollym1963 2 years ago
I bought my horses a 108 acre farm...they have MANY acres to roam in. Do you also want all mounted police horses banned hypocrite? I spend more time with my horses than my family. You do what you want with your horses, Ill do what I want with mine. My horses are treated better than MOST in this country. Get a clue and go save an abandoned horse or one that is going to be slaughtered!Dont feel for my well fed, vacationed, well cared for and loved horses!
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
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Thats a good idea...seeing as many up for auction are worn out over worked NYC horses. Yes you do your thing and i will do mine. I have had my say....if you dont want negative comments dont allow them!!! END OF!!
mollym1963 2 years ago
Show me PROOF of such statements. Youre not only an extremist, but an outright LIAR. I back up EVERY statement I make with PROOF. Wheres your PROOF? Windbag.
PS
This is MY video..if you dont want my responses to your negative and misleading comments...DONT MAKE THEM in the first place! ugh.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
You knw whats REALLY funny. I just read your profile. A middle aged woman, who lives alone with her 2 dogs...hmmm...sounds familiar! Oh, wait! Thats the profile of practically every PETArd on youtube! Im not surprised. And the fact that your horse stomped on you when someone blew an airhorn at him just goes to show why you have a disdain for horses in the city.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
You PETAphiles like to go around blaming the world for what happens to you. Well, this just shows me that your traumatic experience is the reason behind you becoming some sort of crazed humaniac. Youre all alike. EVERY single one of you. I would love it if we could get a character profile of all of you freaks and then compare! HA! They would look exactly alike. Youre all carbon copies of the same wackjob mentality.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
WHAT "THING" do you do,?!? You affect nothing. The Carriages have gone thru the Park since 1862, and are doing so right now!
Who the f*** are you? your "thing" my ass
Self rightous tard
Back up your neg comments with PROOF.
YOU are the cardboard cut out of "the angry PeTARD"
You know nothing, except to spew the venom you have gladly swallowed.
Pathetic Sad Wannabe Warrior.
Go ride a horse, feel something other than hate and loathing.
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nyccarriagehorses 2 years ago
What"s your point,?!! should we remove the Police horses too, the riding stables in The Bronx, Staten Island, Brooklyn ?!?
"End of !! " indeed.
End of the lies and horrible stories tod by folks like you, that we have proven to be false over and over.
Horses built cities, look it up.
The Carriages and Carriage Horses of Central Park have been in operation since June 11 1882, and will be forever.
GET USED TO IT !!
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
You see what you want to see, but can prove NOTHING.
Any abuse you see , REPORT IT !!
There are lots of cops around midtown and the Park. The abuse is in your twisted head, you don't know "use" from "abuse"
Misinformed, evil minded, you REFUSE to see the TRUTH
There are horses in EVERY city.
Where is all the abuse!
Get off the band wagon.
Are your horses seen by thousands of people a day? Regularly checked by the ASPCA, Health Deot, Consumer Affairs, Mounted Police, Parks Dept.
GFY.
nyccarriagehorses 2 years ago 2
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Well that all looks fine an dandy...but what about the time the horse needs in a field...to run around, play etc. I have a 16.2 mare and its stable is twice the size of the ones you show...never mind the sprinklers with water...that only wets the straw resulting in horses standing in soggy straw resulting in bad feet!!! You wouldnt need the venitalion stuff etc. if these horses were aloud to run free after after a days work!!! A horse needs soft ground, not just rubber matting! This is pants!!!
mollym1963 2 years ago
There are horses all over the would who don't get daily turnout. I had a buddy in Cali who had to keep his horses in 20X20 pens 24/7 until he moved. There are racehorses who don't get daily turnout because it's unavailable until they go to the farm to refresh, and there are show horses who NEVER get turned out because they are too valuable.
Sheepinwolfgarb 2 years ago 4
If daily turnout isn't available, one must meet the horses physical and emotional needs, as these drivers do, with daily exercise. Then, when the horses get to vacation on the farm, they do get the daily turnout.
I don't think the misters are releasing enough water to soak the straw. It would behoove (sorry, pun intended) the drivers to keep the horses feet strong, if only because the ASPCA would notice poor, lame feet.
Sheepinwolfgarb 2 years ago 5
Watch the other vids, put down the kool aid and see for yourself.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
The horses I show are ALL around 16 h. so you WRONG there. Never mind sprinkler system and water !! So your stable doesn't have sprinklers or water ?!?
The staw is changed every day, it never gets "soggy.
WRONG again
Our horses "hooves" are in exelent cond. WRONG again.
Our horses get turn out every few weeks , I show this in my vids.
WRONG again.
Do you see a patern forming here.
I feel sorry for your mare, her owner doesn't know diddly.
Poor horse probably only see's you once a month.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
"soul sez" !?!
yawn
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
do u guys have Clydsdales?
alinanazarenko1 2 years ago
No not at the moment, but we have had a couple of Canadian Clydsdales years ago.
We find them a little to large for our purposes. Draft crosses are a little lighter, and more nimble and sure footed.
Maybe a Clydsdale/ standerdbred would be a good cross !
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Wouldn't be hard to guess the color on the foal from that cross. :)
Sheepinwolfgarb 2 years ago 2
This clown is a complete waste of time and air.
Bye
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
"Soul sez: "What bugs me about research into medical problems, is that a lot of those problems, particularly cancers, are caused by products that have been safety tested on animals and approved and "
::::yawn::::"
and.this is the reason why I said that carcinogenic means causes cancer & not because I think most people don't know at all, just you actually because of your puerile & ridiculous reply, it sure looked like you didnt know!!
Soulisscool 2 years ago
Everything can be verified as being true but just because you have not got the brain capacity to comprehend the seriousness or importance of it you have to attack me instead. Duh... what a peculiar way of dealing with an issue of such great importance
Soulisscool 2 years ago
Funny how you picked up picked up on that minor issue and totally disregarded the adult major issue of great importance! That's a sign of a simple minded person that! Silly crap? are you for real??
Soulisscool 2 years ago
It's true, there are products that are labelled as carcinogenic that have been safety tested on animals and approved as safe. That's just one of the many ways of illustrating how pointless animal testing is! but it gets the product on the market for them and if/when it causes harm they can avoid liability by saying they tested it on animals....Mad isn't it? Carcinogenic means causes cancer. That should concern every mature adult!
Soulisscool 2 years ago
Talk about " clutching at old straws" !!!
Get over it, Horses pull carriages in NYC.
PERIOD.
bye.
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
The facts that are being shown here speak for themselves.
Argue all you want, the stables are above city and Police stable standards, the horses are turned out 4-6 times a year, all horses are inspecteds by vets, the hours, weather cond. and place of work are regulated.
No one in NYC Carriage Business has been charged or convicited of ANY form of neglect. EVER !!
Despite the fact that we are overseen and inspected by a bias agency, namely the aspca.
Our horses are on public display every day
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
You just don't get it do you?
Soulisscool 2 years ago
And, having worked in the pharmaceutical industry, they don't release medicine to the public based only on animal tests. If it proves safe and workable on animals, it must then be sent through human trials. No one gets a medicine that was only tested in rats. That's just a stupid idea perpetuated by ARAs. Now, long term exposure to a drug will only be known after it has been used, obviously, long term. That's the rub, no matter what species you are talking about.
murphy60083 2 years ago 2
I know, after using animals they then use humans in clinical trials, the humans are then the 'guinea pigs'! and we have seen disastrous human trials & serious side effects & thats after passing as 'safe' on animals, but they werent safe for humans! TGN1412 trials, six volunteers immune systems shut down 1/2 hr after being dosed. Monkeys were given 50 times their dose and yet did not predict that reaction! Mercks drug Vioxx protected the hearts of monkeys but had the opposite effect in humans.
Soulisscool 2 years ago
Of course you have a better way.
Please enlighten us
StopLiesSeeTruth 2 years ago
Don't the very serious side effects and fatalilties concern you enough for you to do some research into the subject? "You have a better way"
Me? I am speaking about what the experts are saying based on the facts and the statistics!
Soulisscool 2 years ago
What bugs me about research into medical problems, is that a lot of those problems, particularly cancers, are caused by products that have been safety tested on animals and approved and are even listed on the labels as being carcinogenic! They rely on the publics ignorance because they know that it's only a minority that bother to pay attention to what is happening but thankfully that is changing with tv exposures about all the dangers of chemicals. Look on Safer Medicines site for info.
Soulisscool 2 years ago
Also, soul, I happen to strongly believe that humans in prison should be able to volunteer for medical testing, heavily regulated to prevent coercion of course. But if it came down to a beagle suffering in the name of saving the health of my child, sorry about the dog. All testing needs to be done as humanely as possible, but it stands to reason that it is a good early working model for how a compound will work on living tissue.
murphy60083 2 years ago
Well if they 'volunteer' then thats their decision, isnt it? and as well as regualted to prevent coercion I think they should be well informed about the dangers of testing drugs on them too, but don't worry apparently the pharmas are moving more testing to the developing world and I don't think it's hard to understand why.
The beagle is not saving the child, that is the emotional blackmail that they have been spoon feeding people for years! along with necessary evil and it is simply not true!
Soulisscool 2 years ago