Obviously Pat was mocking people saying that you can either believe in god or nothing. He has expressed many positive things he believes in throughout his videos and he calls them with their real names, not "god" - meaningless word with million interpretations.
the issue of complexity??? lol Don't use stupid language like this....it makes you look like an idiot.....or ....wait a minute.......you must be one !!!!
Excellent video. Whether or not the bible makes sense or is factual has little bearing on, ultimately, whether or not anything supernatural exists or possibly exists. It doesn't look real good for the supernatural/divine, historically and currently, so far though.
Here is one thing I can assure you of; We are more than we think we are: we have a soul(spirit) that continues after physical death...We continue on FOREVER...without respect to religion or dogma, the rest of the question is open to speculation!!!
Philosophy teaches us how little humanity understands about the universe or anything beyond it. The nothingness perceived in the universe is something. The human mind oft perceives molecules as nothing, but it's something.
Every human being is recycled material of the universe. Humanity as a whole, perceives mammal life as the only existence. An amoeba has a life. Everything is a trade, the loss of consciousness is also a loss of suffering. Pat Condell has not embraced inevitable change.
Lol. You missed the introduction of his video :) He asks "so it`s either the supernatural or nothing, what are you hypnotized..?" - Stating the same thing as you, that there are things inbetween "god or nothing". It`s the theists that thinks atheists believe in nothing..
Atheists like Dawkins refer to "awe" or being "inspired" by the Universe and mean that they see the relationships between objects and are happy to be there to both see these relations and at the same time, realize, that it's their point of view who makes them co-create these relations, not a deterministic "command" by The Big Father in the skies, who mapped out every nanosecond of our existence. "Mysteries" are patterns we recognize but can't find a meaning for or the underlying mechanisms.
You mentioned dreamless sleepers in two different contects, when we are sleeping and when we are awake an conscious. What do you meant by "dreamless sleepers:?
I'm new to learning philosophy, and I love what you said here about self-consciousness being a momentary accomplishment of the universe, and about being a moment in the universe's history. Subbed, faved.
You're a nice mixture. When I hear you talk, I hear Douglas Hofstadter, I hear D E Harding, I hear Alan Watts. I also hear myself. It only makes me uncomfortable because it confirms my own identity. I'm going to stop watching your videos because you are a cement.
Corey you could pick up some tips from Pat Condell. I'm not trying to be a troll but if my comments come off as trollish so be it. Damnit don't you ever speak in anything but Mumbo Jumbo? Can't you just break down your thought into undestandble nuggets or must everything that comes out of your mouth be a YouTube version of the insane Philospher?
I know a lot of your subcribers think your a genius, that you reveal deep truths. Sometimes it just is a lot of over intellectualized hogwash.
Pat's game here is an old one: satire! Pat's use of the "God or nothing" phrase is merely to mock the narrow minded description of the universe that is monotheism. "Nothing" is simply used as an opposite of the one "God" hypothesis, implying monotheism is ultimately a binary choice of ignorance in what is really a universe with many far more complex possible explanations.
It's a very good point you make, Pat Condell's creating a false dichotomy, this seems to be a current that's growing among all atheists these days.
On the Atheist Experience that not only hold the view but consciously defend and promote it attacking non-literalist Christian as not true Christians for thinking.
It's makes life easy for atheists to, as they only really have to confront a few people on the fringe.
@tmesist Apart from the obvious rhetorical advantages I have been wondering where the idea comes from. Atheism is getting more dogmatic and intolerant, and a lot of former evangelicals are joining, I wonder if there is a connection? Maybe changing the belief at the centre but keeping the same modus operandi, itolerance and dogmaticism.
I didn't quite understand the last remark about if intelligence just emerged, then life was always meant to be intelligent. The wording "meant to" sort of implies a subjective someone to whom things can have meaning, who rigged the whole emergence to occur.
Intelligence isn't supernatural and the basic principles of it and how it evolved haven't been a mystery for at least some decades now (at least since the beginning of AI research after WW2, and probably longer still.)
What a load of rambling nonsense. I mean philosophize all you want about the universe and ect. It really have no bearing on its nature.
The only way to say anything about the above is to make explanatory models of said things.
Your eternal life argument, was so stupid I have trouble communicating how solid my facepalm was when I heard that. Ask yourself why people believe in an afterlife? I should also ask, is there a time in the future when my brain stops functioning or not?
Heya Prof, just checked this out as per your request. I found myself nodding pretty much all the way through it. If there was ever a spiritual guide for the non-believer, you'd be it sir:) Thank you so much for bringing these ideas to this discussion. I feel it's something sorely missed in the ongoing debates such as this.
I miss your point of saying life is eternal. Just because you can't consciously pinpoint the beginning or end, doesn't mean you were or will ALWAYS be. We don't experience before or after our life, but we know those times existed and we didn't/won't.
Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
" Theologue "___ The Union of Human and Divine Consciousness Weaving the Fabric of Space and Time in Which the Self and its Surroundings are
Embedded--
_When humans first ventured into space, they came back describing how they kept seeing patterns fading in and out of their vision. like crop-circle designs, technicians had to make them special glass for the windows on their rockets, as well as the visors on their helmets to block them as they got to be distracting for the astronauts
@spellgrounds these designs I think is ancient information accessible to all who live in this more than amazing universe & beyond, accessible to all, that have been shown how to access this information of power & wisdom and everything man has ever wanted to know but has been denied to all humans because humans are very easy to control the less we(they) know , religion & churches as we(not me) know it, is the worlds biggest money laundering franchise companies
I think you have this wrong. There are two options here: Believe in the supernatural or accept scientific explanations for things. No matter how you sugar-coat belief in the supernatural, it is the belief in something unprovable. And I'm pretty sure his problem with belief is its affiliation with religion. Religion which indoctrinates children, shits on people's rights, and keeps its members in ignorance.
Apparently you have never experienced the higher out of body realizations.
I have a body, but thankfully, I have realized, it is a vessel and not me.
It must be a hellish experience to believe that you ARE a "body". I also realize that I am Not the mind, experientially, not theoretically. If you are sincerely seeking the truth, I'd suggest listening to Paramahamsa Nithyananda. He IS
an enlightened Master, who is the most intelligent man on the planet at this time.WORD :)
Oh, religious texts are always metaphors? Also, what are you talking about then, if not literal houses and bricks? Is the three little pigs a metaphor? I never thought it was.
I think saying that life was always meant to be intelligent is an assumption we can't honestly make. We can say however, that life has become intelligent and that it sure is quite handy that it did or we'd never know about it. As for what that means... well the beauty, in my opinion, is that it doesn't ever have to mean anything. Which is interesting enough in and of itself.
Eternal - 1. Having infinite duration. Entropy. 2. Characterized by abiding fellowship with God. You already addressed that. 3. Existing at all time. We didn't exist at ALL time. Others have a head and I can see my nose. If I look in a mirror, a pond, etc I can see my head. What defines "outside"?
The pen can be demonstrated and will exist without you provided humans can create it. Dreamless sleep? I don't understand, I dream.
Are you saying we are the universe experiencing itself ergo a GOD?
"WHAT DOES IT MEAN?" IT MEANS THAT HUMAN BEINGS ARENT THE ONLY CREATURES MEANT TO BE AS INTELLIGENT AS WE ARE, POSSIBLY THE FIRST TO HAVE EVOLVED TO THIS STATURE. THERE ARE OTHER SPECIES OF ANIMALS THAT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO ONE DAY EVOLVE BEYOND HUMANS. ANYHOW, PROFESSORANTON I WANT TO SAY BRAVO... YOU WERE RIGHT ON POINT EVERYTHING ABOSOLUTELY WELL SAID. SERIOUSLY HAVENT EVER HEARD THIS SUBJECT MATTER SO ELIQUENTLY WITH NEAR PERFECT REPRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM.
I think you need to watch his video again, Pat was talking about Religious people saying we have to choose between god and nothing. He was advocating the position that we don't know the truth and that he didn't have a problem with it.
sorry man but Patt Condell did not say people have to chose between god or nothing, that is a total lie. (He did say theists make such a claim and he rejected it)
Whats Up With this I missed his point when he clearly says god does not exist you guys with this mind control trash thinkin will get you know where with me you Need to watch his video Again and by the way not one of you atheist or Scientist have answered any of my Questions I have took all of your educated guesses and picked them apart God Vs Nothing Peace
You missed his point. What he's saying is that those two options are the only two that religious people see and they use this as an excuse to believe in the supernatural. He was mocking them a bit for it as well. Perhaps you thought the mocking portion of it was serious
so many great things you say in this video. even though I'm sure that pat condell won't respond. he wants to bash dogmatists. and that's good too, someone has to do it. it's so much easier to just point out bullshit than actually have own ideas.
The Imagination could use some liberation. Those of Dogmas tend to say all the answers are there in those dogmas why must I question anything. Or and more often in the atheist world you might say there is no use for my imagination it distracts me from the truth.
Without an imagination what is so special about the human and of what use is it that is where my concern with modern culture really lies.
Im sorry i mean 50% this I Am God Theory Is Crazy STOP the Insanity the world Cares are For Real Its Not Passive even when You Sleep Come On Man Death is Not Compramised its Morning and Sadness were we react different alot of people cant come to terms and need to work for hospice or in a hospital or become a cop i guess to understand humans and not science
I agree with you 80% thank u Sir You are awesome with your thinking lets get these atheist thinking out side there box and stop with this science religion its the same
The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained its "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the verge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two
The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained its "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the verge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two?
This is an excellent and informing video. I've had similar thoughts myself - there is a reason why "God" continues to persist as a notion in the mind even when theistic or otherwise implausible conceptions seem completely untenable. I agree that, rather than raze the idea of God to the ground we need to find a way to articulate a new idea to replace the deities that we have finally realized are just cultural icons we created. That "God" is something like the cosmic unity you describe, I think.
The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained its "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the verge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two?
The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained it's "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the virge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two?
Pat's opponents tell him that one either believes in God or nothing. Pat disagrees. He doesn't believe in God, nor does he believe in nothing. He believes in other things.
An ancient Greek said something like "When I am here, death is not. When death is here, I am not. Why fear death?"
I wouldn't call it mysticism its actually a rather compelling concept, and I would say its existentially therapeutic. We view the death of other's consciousness all of the time, but from a first person perspective our own consciousness can never perceive its beginning or end, and because of this there is a characteristic of consciousness which can rather accurately be described as, "eternal". I wouldn't call it mystical any more than I would Carl Sagan's holistic description of man as star dust.
@fauyd I just meant his idea of how we should interpret religion align with mysticism. Not sure how far this concept of eternal life as life as we know it goes back but I know at least Ayn Rand beat him to it.
I'm not a great fan of PC but I think you missed the point. He was making the point the the view that you either belive in god or nothing is ridiculous.
If God is everything, then no proof is possible as there's nothing to compare God to, it wouldn't be God if there was.
If God is perfect (infinite states in infinite time), we wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway; least action is supreme elegance, Guiding hand is too crude a touch for perfection.
Religion alone attempts to divide the indivisible.
Religion lifts a part up above the rest to sit beside on a throne.
It is (cultural) Pride, idolatry; Putting God on a stick for authority.
In regard to your last question, who says life was meant to be ANYTHING? You're presenting your argument with a story-book approach, in which the mysterious we don't understand are somehow mystical clues that will unlock some revelations about us. All of the knowledge we've acquired hasn't changed our human nature, it's only changed the perspective of our existence. We still try to fight, separate and control one another as we always have since forever. We're not mysterious, we're predictable.
I've had increasing difficulty watching Pat Condell. I am no fan of organized religion (I'd just as soon ban its teaching prior to the age of reason) but I've never felt the need to straw man something I hate or use single factor fallacies, & P.C. does this ALL THE TIME. He has nothing to say to a decent, respectful person of faith other than "you're a fool." I believe spiritual feelings of connectedness have been largely co-opted by organized religions, who compete for followers by
@FeelFreeToArgue making grandiose, magical claims. If they instead exclusively nurtured this open and compassionate sense of connection many of us, including long term atheists such as myself, have felt, what a very different world we would live in. I think religions would find themselves fostering a deeper and more meaningful connection with their own people.
Interestingly, the more I learn about the Muslim world, the less funny I find Pat Condell. Am I losing my sense of humor?
Pat is trying to re-establish himself after the onslaught of criticism he has suffered recently. His video "A God of Life", which contained "let's be positive" in the description, was a poor re-hash of his fantastic video, "What's good about religion?" which contained "let's be positive" in the description. His most recent video is a terrible re-hash of his old video "The curse of faith", in which he discusses particle physics, human rights (destroying children's minds), belief in "nothing" etc
There is a plan and things have just been waiting for the right moment... observing and listening. it has its turn to emerge when the time is right.... falling into place. evolution.
I think it's fantastic that Pat is able to inspire so many other videos about this. This is exactly what we need. Millions of people shedding light on these shadowy places.
Actually that's not true. Without wanting to defend his own position, he was saying that there are only two options represented from the collective neurosis and that this is questionable. If i'm correct, then he opposes this false dichotomy and you are trying to put it that way as if he was actually promoting that fallacy, when he clearly wasn't.Rewatch his video after 20 seconds and listen carefully.
I agree with the rest though. Everything you said about phenomenology made sense.
You missed the point. Go watch it again. His argument is that other say they believe in a god because to believe in nothing is stupid. Their choices God or NOTHING!
@FLUSEM666 But then, it isn't really about Pat Condell. Pat Condell has been interpreted as an analogy for the fallacy of aristotelian binary logic. The universal set off possibility is not exclusive or exhaustive. This only happens on paper. There is no black without white. Differences and samenesses are defined by the same syntactical medium running through, of and inside phenomena.
@hallcyon He said that rigid, forceful indoctrination of the unformed minds of children is a violation of their human rights. This applies to any view point, including atheism. He has made this point before, and is unequivocally, irrefutably correct. The mind of a child is not their parent's "play-thing". He said nothing about faith-based education in the segments you have highlighted.
He said the rigid indoctrination of children should be outlawed. He made this point years ago, and it is by no means controversial. The evident problem is that there is no way to reasonably protect a child from the psychological abuse of their parents. He didn't mention education. But, in the context of faith based education; even users such as Richard Coughlan align with Pat in the opinion that it is an unproductive idea. He said they should be closed in his eloquent pwnage of Geert Wilders.
Nothing is nothing. The world around us is something. So it seems rather nonsensical to proclaim belief in nothing. But as I commented on his video; If half of the universe were to consist of anti-matter, the sum of the universe would add up to zero. And we've only observed a minute part of the universe after all. It might just be out there.
I think you would dig the band Cynic. :)
drumninmer34 2 months ago
Obviously Pat was mocking people saying that you can either believe in god or nothing. He has expressed many positive things he believes in throughout his videos and he calls them with their real names, not "god" - meaningless word with million interpretations.
5m1nutes 9 months ago
the issue of complexity??? lol Don't use stupid language like this....it makes you look like an idiot.....or ....wait a minute.......you must be one !!!!
1marceltony 10 months ago
I love these videos. Thanks
matthew376 10 months ago
Excellent video. Whether or not the bible makes sense or is factual has little bearing on, ultimately, whether or not anything supernatural exists or possibly exists. It doesn't look real good for the supernatural/divine, historically and currently, so far though.
PawnBACM 1 year ago
I always walk away from a Pat Condell video with mixed feelings.
pineconesaresmallnow 1 year ago
Here is one thing I can assure you of; We are more than we think we are: we have a soul(spirit) that continues after physical death...We continue on FOREVER...without respect to religion or dogma, the rest of the question is open to speculation!!!
watertonrivers 1 year ago
Man, I need to watch some Bill Hicks as an antidote to this.
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bass109 1 year ago
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Captainchocolate1 1 year ago
Philosophy teaches us how little humanity understands about the universe or anything beyond it. The nothingness perceived in the universe is something. The human mind oft perceives molecules as nothing, but it's something.
Every human being is recycled material of the universe. Humanity as a whole, perceives mammal life as the only existence. An amoeba has a life. Everything is a trade, the loss of consciousness is also a loss of suffering. Pat Condell has not embraced inevitable change.
riverlioness 1 year ago
Lol. You missed the introduction of his video :) He asks "so it`s either the supernatural or nothing, what are you hypnotized..?" - Stating the same thing as you, that there are things inbetween "god or nothing". It`s the theists that thinks atheists believe in nothing..
unlyckystrike 1 year ago
Atheists like Dawkins refer to "awe" or being "inspired" by the Universe and mean that they see the relationships between objects and are happy to be there to both see these relations and at the same time, realize, that it's their point of view who makes them co-create these relations, not a deterministic "command" by The Big Father in the skies, who mapped out every nanosecond of our existence. "Mysteries" are patterns we recognize but can't find a meaning for or the underlying mechanisms.
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cherrypie5195 1 year ago
You mentioned dreamless sleepers in two different contects, when we are sleeping and when we are awake an conscious. What do you meant by "dreamless sleepers:?
busybuzzbuzz 1 year ago
I'm new to learning philosophy, and I love what you said here about self-consciousness being a momentary accomplishment of the universe, and about being a moment in the universe's history. Subbed, faved.
cecinestpasunename 1 year ago
You're a nice mixture. When I hear you talk, I hear Douglas Hofstadter, I hear D E Harding, I hear Alan Watts. I also hear myself. It only makes me uncomfortable because it confirms my own identity. I'm going to stop watching your videos because you are a cement.
soup17 1 year ago 3
Corey you could pick up some tips from Pat Condell. I'm not trying to be a troll but if my comments come off as trollish so be it. Damnit don't you ever speak in anything but Mumbo Jumbo? Can't you just break down your thought into undestandble nuggets or must everything that comes out of your mouth be a YouTube version of the insane Philospher?
I know a lot of your subcribers think your a genius, that you reveal deep truths. Sometimes it just is a lot of over intellectualized hogwash.
valhala56 1 year ago
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Iron1023 1 year ago
Pat's game here is an old one: satire! Pat's use of the "God or nothing" phrase is merely to mock the narrow minded description of the universe that is monotheism. "Nothing" is simply used as an opposite of the one "God" hypothesis, implying monotheism is ultimately a binary choice of ignorance in what is really a universe with many far more complex possible explanations.
alvincay100 1 year ago
It's a very good point you make, Pat Condell's creating a false dichotomy, this seems to be a current that's growing among all atheists these days.
On the Atheist Experience that not only hold the view but consciously defend and promote it attacking non-literalist Christian as not true Christians for thinking.
It's makes life easy for atheists to, as they only really have to confront a few people on the fringe.
tmesist 1 year ago
@tmesist Apart from the obvious rhetorical advantages I have been wondering where the idea comes from. Atheism is getting more dogmatic and intolerant, and a lot of former evangelicals are joining, I wonder if there is a connection? Maybe changing the belief at the centre but keeping the same modus operandi, itolerance and dogmaticism.
tmesist 1 year ago
I didn't quite understand the last remark about if intelligence just emerged, then life was always meant to be intelligent. The wording "meant to" sort of implies a subjective someone to whom things can have meaning, who rigged the whole emergence to occur.
Intelligence isn't supernatural and the basic principles of it and how it evolved haven't been a mystery for at least some decades now (at least since the beginning of AI research after WW2, and probably longer still.)
aifnord 1 year ago
What a load of rambling nonsense. I mean philosophize all you want about the universe and ect. It really have no bearing on its nature.
The only way to say anything about the above is to make explanatory models of said things.
Your eternal life argument, was so stupid I have trouble communicating how solid my facepalm was when I heard that. Ask yourself why people believe in an afterlife? I should also ask, is there a time in the future when my brain stops functioning or not?
JRBendixen 1 year ago
@JRBendixen
Induction is fallacious holmes.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol I have no idea what you are talking about, stupid as I am. So please explain?
JRBendixen 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol
I, shit, how do you sum up. Read David Hume? Observations of past experiences do not logically inform future events.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
Heya Prof, just checked this out as per your request. I found myself nodding pretty much all the way through it. If there was ever a spiritual guide for the non-believer, you'd be it sir:) Thank you so much for bringing these ideas to this discussion. I feel it's something sorely missed in the ongoing debates such as this.
deathbytech 1 year ago
I miss your point of saying life is eternal. Just because you can't consciously pinpoint the beginning or end, doesn't mean you were or will ALWAYS be. We don't experience before or after our life, but we know those times existed and we didn't/won't.
feedtherich 1 year ago
Theism or Atheism is dangerously close to a false dichotomy(you are this or that)
I enjoy you videos, but to say we are all "scared little animals" is a hasty generalization.......another fallacy.
sAeZCrVM 1 year ago
Acts 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
erichathy222 1 year ago
:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
erichathy222 1 year ago
soon there will be no atheists and we will all stand before Jesus Christ obey Acts 2:38 before it is to late people
erichathy222 1 year ago
" Theologue "___ The Union of Human and Divine Consciousness Weaving the Fabric of Space and Time in Which the Self and its Surroundings are
Embedded--
_When humans first ventured into space, they came back describing how they kept seeing patterns fading in and out of their vision. like crop-circle designs, technicians had to make them special glass for the windows on their rockets, as well as the visors on their helmets to block them as they got to be distracting for the astronauts
spellgrounds 1 year ago
@spellgrounds these designs I think is ancient information accessible to all who live in this more than amazing universe & beyond, accessible to all, that have been shown how to access this information of power & wisdom and everything man has ever wanted to know but has been denied to all humans because humans are very easy to control the less we(they) know , religion & churches as we(not me) know it, is the worlds biggest money laundering franchise companies
spellgrounds 1 year ago
I think you have this wrong. There are two options here: Believe in the supernatural or accept scientific explanations for things. No matter how you sugar-coat belief in the supernatural, it is the belief in something unprovable. And I'm pretty sure his problem with belief is its affiliation with religion. Religion which indoctrinates children, shits on people's rights, and keeps its members in ignorance.
Christheatheist1 1 year ago
Your like an ascended Master of Philosophy. Your words make sense and your logic is undeniable.
RevJoshua 1 year ago
You completely missed his point, and I just unsubbed.
joethemoproductions 1 year ago
Consciousness exists, yet is no "thing".
I am no thing and no body, yet I exist as consciousness.
the Eastern sanskrit term SAT CHIT ANANDA means
Existence-Consciousness-Bliss
This is Eternal Truth. Even in deep sleep there is consciousness existing.
This is beyond dogma of religion. It is Truth of Existence.
MrNobodyNothing 1 year ago
@MrNobodyNothing
Well, except that you are a thing and have a body.
Even in deep sleep your consciousness is still a product of your material body.
joethemoproductions 1 year ago
@joethemoproductions
Apparently you have never experienced the higher out of body realizations.
I have a body, but thankfully, I have realized, it is a vessel and not me.
It must be a hellish experience to believe that you ARE a "body". I also realize that I am Not the mind, experientially, not theoretically. If you are sincerely seeking the truth, I'd suggest listening to Paramahamsa Nithyananda. He IS
an enlightened Master, who is the most intelligent man on the planet at this time.WORD :)
MrNobodyNothing 1 year ago
I have to agree with you that Condell picks a tight and inflexible version of "the state of things".
He uses mostly rhetoric to try to get the viewer to understand that there is nothing wrong with not believing in something.
stefanlittle 1 year ago
I love your hair...
sarcosis1 1 year ago
I believe you! ehm.. but high hobos say some of the same things! lol
piloot 1 year ago
You can see your head in the mirror, can't you? This not having a head thing is ridiculous. I don't know what it's supposed to mean....
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford You need to watch the videos by Douglas Harding to get this idea.
and there is a youtube channel called theheadlessexperiment I think.
doesthismakeanysense 1 year ago
Oh, religious texts are always metaphors? Also, what are you talking about then, if not literal houses and bricks? Is the three little pigs a metaphor? I never thought it was.
juliecranford 1 year ago
He said other people say that. I see others have pointed this out, too.
juliecranford 1 year ago
I think saying that life was always meant to be intelligent is an assumption we can't honestly make. We can say however, that life has become intelligent and that it sure is quite handy that it did or we'd never know about it. As for what that means... well the beauty, in my opinion, is that it doesn't ever have to mean anything. Which is interesting enough in and of itself.
Pinkcrusader 1 year ago
@Pinkcrusader Well said. Very well, indeed.
prhughes0 1 year ago
I didn't get that feeling at all Professor. 0:01-0:40
Imgoing2LoveYou 1 year ago
Eternal - 1. Having infinite duration. Entropy. 2. Characterized by abiding fellowship with God. You already addressed that. 3. Existing at all time. We didn't exist at ALL time. Others have a head and I can see my nose. If I look in a mirror, a pond, etc I can see my head. What defines "outside"?
The pen can be demonstrated and will exist without you provided humans can create it. Dreamless sleep? I don't understand, I dream.
Are you saying we are the universe experiencing itself ergo a GOD?
GottliebBurckhardt 1 year ago
In his video, Pat used “belief in God(s)” and “religion” as if the were the same thing and interchangeable. For that reason the video failed.
There was also the minor detail of his equating religion with belief in the Abrahamic deity. But, oh well. It was Pat Condell, after all.
As to the rest, I am going to have to watch this a couple of times. There was a lot in your video.
I'm dying. I'm dying. I'm...
SSanf 1 year ago
"WHAT DOES IT MEAN?" IT MEANS THAT HUMAN BEINGS ARENT THE ONLY CREATURES MEANT TO BE AS INTELLIGENT AS WE ARE, POSSIBLY THE FIRST TO HAVE EVOLVED TO THIS STATURE. THERE ARE OTHER SPECIES OF ANIMALS THAT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES TO ONE DAY EVOLVE BEYOND HUMANS. ANYHOW, PROFESSORANTON I WANT TO SAY BRAVO... YOU WERE RIGHT ON POINT EVERYTHING ABOSOLUTELY WELL SAID. SERIOUSLY HAVENT EVER HEARD THIS SUBJECT MATTER SO ELIQUENTLY WITH NEAR PERFECT REPRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM.
TheDharmaSpecialist 1 year ago
Corey Vs Pat in the octagon, make it happen youtube.
karausu 1 year ago
I think you need to watch his video again, Pat was talking about Religious people saying we have to choose between god and nothing. He was advocating the position that we don't know the truth and that he didn't have a problem with it.
imyyz4u 1 year ago
sorry man but Patt Condell did not say people have to chose between god or nothing, that is a total lie. (He did say theists make such a claim and he rejected it)
Geertpieter 1 year ago 6
"The headless way"
1Earth0Karma8 1 year ago
wonderful video. I agree on most points. :) I really appreciate your views. "windy poops and fairy-dust" lol
9innail 1 year ago
Whats Up With this I missed his point when he clearly says god does not exist you guys with this mind control trash thinkin will get you know where with me you Need to watch his video Again and by the way not one of you atheist or Scientist have answered any of my Questions I have took all of your educated guesses and picked them apart God Vs Nothing Peace
recount09 1 year ago
You missed his point. What he's saying is that those two options are the only two that religious people see and they use this as an excuse to believe in the supernatural. He was mocking them a bit for it as well. Perhaps you thought the mocking portion of it was serious
RDaneelOlivaw2 1 year ago 9
@RDaneelOlivaw2 To be clear, he was mocking them for what he thinks they think.
endtimelife 1 year ago
so many great things you say in this video. even though I'm sure that pat condell won't respond. he wants to bash dogmatists. and that's good too, someone has to do it. it's so much easier to just point out bullshit than actually have own ideas.
GeistWerk 1 year ago
windypoops lol
natmanprime 1 year ago
"where your face isn't, the world has been made room for."
you just articulated something i think about all the time and could never put words to. blew my mind.
equallyeasilyfuqyou 1 year ago 2
The Imagination could use some liberation. Those of Dogmas tend to say all the answers are there in those dogmas why must I question anything. Or and more often in the atheist world you might say there is no use for my imagination it distracts me from the truth.
Without an imagination what is so special about the human and of what use is it that is where my concern with modern culture really lies.
Aberran
AxiomofDiscord 1 year ago
Atheists are no fun....Not that I'm a theist per se.
But they have no sense of wonder about the world. It must really suck to be them.
pazomblez 1 year ago
Im sorry i mean 50% this I Am God Theory Is Crazy STOP the Insanity the world Cares are For Real Its Not Passive even when You Sleep Come On Man Death is Not Compramised its Morning and Sadness were we react different alot of people cant come to terms and need to work for hospice or in a hospital or become a cop i guess to understand humans and not science
recount09 1 year ago
I'd be more inclined to give this some weight if you hadn't missed the point of his
video completely.
You still haven't addressed my question as to why you are a scared little animal.
I find that a very disturbing self image in an adult.
The real threat to believers is that the data from science creates a Lovecraftian
dilemma because it isn't a tiny cozy tidy simple universe. The "nothing" they fear
is the lack of simple answers.
tyrbolo 1 year ago
I agree with you 80% thank u Sir You are awesome with your thinking lets get these atheist thinking out side there box and stop with this science religion its the same
recount09 1 year ago
@recount09 I believe you TOTALLY missed his point O_o
grimordwow 1 year ago
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The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained its "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the verge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two
LukeCoulson 1 year ago
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The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained its "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the verge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two?
LukeCoulson 1 year ago
This is an excellent and informing video. I've had similar thoughts myself - there is a reason why "God" continues to persist as a notion in the mind even when theistic or otherwise implausible conceptions seem completely untenable. I agree that, rather than raze the idea of God to the ground we need to find a way to articulate a new idea to replace the deities that we have finally realized are just cultural icons we created. That "God" is something like the cosmic unity you describe, I think.
MindOfNine 1 year ago
The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained its "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the verge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two?
LukeCoulson 1 year ago
we dont know much
BeyondWrittenWords 1 year ago
The way I see it, if believers in god were not allowed so much room for error (against the backdrop of the state), then the rest of us would be (relatively), just as stifled in our expression of "whack", a practice which (for me) has retained it's "novelty". Basking daily therein, and forming tentatively, misconception, hypothecated to the virge of delusion in the void, I am lost. And then it's, back home in time for tea, what? One lump or two?
LukeCoulson 1 year ago
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MirageScience 1 year ago
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In the definition of nothing there is something?
MirageScience 1 year ago
In the definition of nothing is something?
MirageScience 1 year ago
Seems i need to watch your older videos, as you request other watch them. :)
MirageScience 1 year ago
Pat's opponents tell him that one either believes in God or nothing. Pat disagrees. He doesn't believe in God, nor does he believe in nothing. He believes in other things.
An ancient Greek said something like "When I am here, death is not. When death is here, I am not. Why fear death?"
8WholeThing 1 year ago
You certainly seem to know a lot. And I mean a lot of things with high certainty.
Obviously the knowledge you possess isn't self-evident to a simple man like Pat Condell.
And I don't mean to be derogatory, I just don't quite understand how a Mystic can criticize a Nihilist... within the limits of rationality of course
heloizyjhenifer 1 year ago
I believe what you are trying to sell here is called mysticism.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
I wouldn't call it mysticism its actually a rather compelling concept, and I would say its existentially therapeutic. We view the death of other's consciousness all of the time, but from a first person perspective our own consciousness can never perceive its beginning or end, and because of this there is a characteristic of consciousness which can rather accurately be described as, "eternal". I wouldn't call it mystical any more than I would Carl Sagan's holistic description of man as star dust.
fauyd 1 year ago 2
@fauyd I just meant his idea of how we should interpret religion align with mysticism. Not sure how far this concept of eternal life as life as we know it goes back but I know at least Ayn Rand beat him to it.
adrenacrumb 1 year ago
I'm not a great fan of PC but I think you missed the point. He was making the point the the view that you either belive in god or nothing is ridiculous.
LiamE69 1 year ago
Great explanation.
nightpotato 1 year ago
we are obviously quite simply spellbound by our word games. It is what it is. Tell your own story. Live your own myth.
lysergicaddict 1 year ago
If God is everything, then no proof is possible as there's nothing to compare God to, it wouldn't be God if there was.
If God is perfect (infinite states in infinite time), we wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway; least action is supreme elegance, Guiding hand is too crude a touch for perfection.
Religion alone attempts to divide the indivisible.
Religion lifts a part up above the rest to sit beside on a throne.
It is (cultural) Pride, idolatry; Putting God on a stick for authority.
marsCubed 1 year ago
In regard to your last question, who says life was meant to be ANYTHING? You're presenting your argument with a story-book approach, in which the mysterious we don't understand are somehow mystical clues that will unlock some revelations about us. All of the knowledge we've acquired hasn't changed our human nature, it's only changed the perspective of our existence. We still try to fight, separate and control one another as we always have since forever. We're not mysterious, we're predictable.
ravebritt 1 year ago
We can accept nothing, we can accept zero but the idea of god is nonsense.
An interesting quote that sums up nothing and how we choose to accept it in certain areas.
Thetruthinall 1 year ago
I've had increasing difficulty watching Pat Condell. I am no fan of organized religion (I'd just as soon ban its teaching prior to the age of reason) but I've never felt the need to straw man something I hate or use single factor fallacies, & P.C. does this ALL THE TIME. He has nothing to say to a decent, respectful person of faith other than "you're a fool." I believe spiritual feelings of connectedness have been largely co-opted by organized religions, who compete for followers by
(cont'd)
FeelFreeToArgue 1 year ago
@FeelFreeToArgue making grandiose, magical claims. If they instead exclusively nurtured this open and compassionate sense of connection many of us, including long term atheists such as myself, have felt, what a very different world we would live in. I think religions would find themselves fostering a deeper and more meaningful connection with their own people.
Interestingly, the more I learn about the Muslim world, the less funny I find Pat Condell. Am I losing my sense of humor?
FeelFreeToArgue 1 year ago
Pat is trying to re-establish himself after the onslaught of criticism he has suffered recently. His video "A God of Life", which contained "let's be positive" in the description, was a poor re-hash of his fantastic video, "What's good about religion?" which contained "let's be positive" in the description. His most recent video is a terrible re-hash of his old video "The curse of faith", in which he discusses particle physics, human rights (destroying children's minds), belief in "nothing" etc
Cuoin 1 year ago
There is a plan and things have just been waiting for the right moment... observing and listening. it has its turn to emerge when the time is right.... falling into place. evolution.
TheWandgirl 1 year ago
Space telescopes were created because of the interference of earth's atmosphere. Is their a way this can come about in the human psyche?
jaymurtii 1 year ago
Oh shit, taking on Condell! Way to go! This was very tactful. :D
HolonsNetwork 1 year ago
But that's just his opinion and a differing perception from yours.You see it this way and he,another.
DoingMoar 1 year ago
I liked this video of Jordan Peterson giving a lecture called 'Reality and the sacred' watch?v=OcfSqKylag0 It was quite an eye opener for me
namitsu1 1 year ago
I think it's fantastic that Pat is able to inspire so many other videos about this. This is exactly what we need. Millions of people shedding light on these shadowy places.
tecnoblix 1 year ago
Actually that's not true. Without wanting to defend his own position, he was saying that there are only two options represented from the collective neurosis and that this is questionable. If i'm correct, then he opposes this false dichotomy and you are trying to put it that way as if he was actually promoting that fallacy, when he clearly wasn't.Rewatch his video after 20 seconds and listen carefully.
I agree with the rest though. Everything you said about phenomenology made sense.
Android369 1 year ago
Some people will just never wrap their heads around these things that you talk about.
Most people sleep their lives away.
Does anyone really think that Pat Condell has ever expanded his consciousness.
He has no idea what that even means.
doesthismakeanysense 1 year ago
I only watched the first 50 seconds of your video.
You're dead wrong.
You accuse Pat of raising a false dichotomy, when in fact his entire video is mocking this false dichotomy proposed by theists.
Watch it again, and actually listen to him.
kilroy1964 1 year ago
You missed the point. Go watch it again. His argument is that other say they believe in a god because to believe in nothing is stupid. Their choices God or NOTHING!
FLUSEM666 1 year ago 3
@FLUSEM666 You perhaps have not seen my PLAYLIST on NOTHING. Please check it out.
Professoranton 1 year ago
@FLUSEM666 But then, it isn't really about Pat Condell. Pat Condell has been interpreted as an analogy for the fallacy of aristotelian binary logic. The universal set off possibility is not exclusive or exhaustive. This only happens on paper. There is no black without white. Differences and samenesses are defined by the same syntactical medium running through, of and inside phenomena.
soup17 1 year ago
Corey, excellent points. Please though check what Pat says between1:05 & 1:23 about outlawing a religious education. Any commentary about that?
hallcyon 1 year ago
@hallcyon He said that rigid, forceful indoctrination of the unformed minds of children is a violation of their human rights. This applies to any view point, including atheism. He has made this point before, and is unequivocally, irrefutably correct. The mind of a child is not their parent's "play-thing". He said nothing about faith-based education in the segments you have highlighted.
Cuoin 1 year ago
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hallcyon 1 year ago
He said the rigid indoctrination of children should be outlawed. He made this point years ago, and it is by no means controversial. The evident problem is that there is no way to reasonably protect a child from the psychological abuse of their parents. He didn't mention education. But, in the context of faith based education; even users such as Richard Coughlan align with Pat in the opinion that it is an unproductive idea. He said they should be closed in his eloquent pwnage of Geert Wilders.
Cuoin 1 year ago
Nothing is nothing. The world around us is something. So it seems rather nonsensical to proclaim belief in nothing. But as I commented on his video; If half of the universe were to consist of anti-matter, the sum of the universe would add up to zero. And we've only observed a minute part of the universe after all. It might just be out there.
GluteusIlluminatus 1 year ago
@GluteusIlluminatus PLEASE /watch?v=_YbR3p19I5M
Professoranton 1 year ago
Just as you claim that Patcondell miss the point of religion, you missed the point of his video.
Ravelmoore 1 year ago 5
@Ravelmoore This comment missed the point of my critique of Pat's video.
Professoranton 1 year ago 16
@Professoranton
ur saying utter-bull shit.
we are not special.
there is no god.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago