Elizabeth Tudor recalls Katherine Howard

[ItsMoriashkiBitches]

who is that man?

[mrsotter19]

I can't believe Elizabeth only learned of the dangers of being married when Katherine Howard was executed. She knew what happened to Katherine of Aragon when she failed to provide an heir for Henry. She knew her own mother Anne Boleyn was executed. She saw Anne of Cleves cast aside. She saw Catherine Parr in grave danger. No way Elizabeth was ever going to get married!

[JessicaLouiseMusic]

I just thought. Elizabeth's aunt was her stepmother! (Katherine Howard and Anne Boleyn were cousins) Now that's just weird and wrong. But I do love Elizabeth, Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard. KH is my FAVE queen.

[QueenVampireLover]

Only a man who could have kept his balls where they belonged and was kind,smart,loving, and true was worthy of the hand of Queen Elizabeth 1rst.

[TooCoolforschool1000]

Catherine Howard was also Elizabeth's Cousin since she was first cousin to Anne Boleyn because Her Mother, Elizabeth's Howard was Catherine's aunt

[Messylin]

If this had been a movie, Glenda Jackson would have walked away with her THIRD Oscar!

[kendahke]

@Messylin actually, this series followed the movie "Mary Queen of Scots" with Vanessa Redgrave as Mary and Glenda as Elizabeth.

[afrababes1]

did she no what happened to her mother

[MusicalMaiden92]

I love how Elizabeth leads the man back to the carriages. xD She was born to rule!

[spartacus3ful]

@MusicalMaiden92

Elizabeth was hardly a feminist icon. Historians attribute the successes of her reign to the capable men whom she surrounded herself with, and whenever she went out to make decisions on her own (such as debasing the currency, continuing the feud with Spain following the Armada, sending the Earl of Essex to crush the Irish rebellion), they resulted in disaster. She also supported the rule of an all male celibate clergy.

[Messylin]

There is such sincerity and grace to Glenda Jackson - I truly believe she is one of the finest actresses of the 20th century.

[fred123456199]

i read this in school

[JOTOSmejicanos]

The scandal grew worse when Dudley's wife died in September 1560 from a fall from a flight of stairs, and many people suspected him to have arranged his wife's death so that he could marry the queen. The coroner's inquest found that it had been an accident and, for some time, Elizabeth seriously considered marrying Dudley. However, William Cecil, Nicholas Throckmorton, and some conservative peers, made their disapproval unmistakably clear.

[tinkerbells101]

Poor Elizabeth. She did have affairs with her Robert Dudley, (they have been together since they were children), and she may have possibly loved him at some point as well, but seeing as she is the daughter of the most carnal tyrant in history, she knew not to marry at all. She always refused Dudley's proposals because she never wanted to be submissive to any man, despite the fact that she was a queen.

[crowsonatv]

great portreal of an amaing queen!

[Strefanash]

What a queen!! Egad, she had nore cojones than most kings of england who followed her!!!

[oldfurniture]

Well, she knew what men were able to do with women....greatest example: her dear daddy!

[Medusa0999]

I love this Elizabeth, she looks so much like Anne boleyn's portrait yet has the tudor hair.

[shaybean54]

that guy looks like Prince Albert from Edward the King.

[GriffinNary]

@shaybean54 Thats because it is! His name is Robert Hardy.

[kendahke]

@shaybean54 Robert Hardy... he's done a lot of these period movies, as well as Harry Potter. I even saw him recently fronting a doc on haunted castles in GB.

[Saffron49]

Actually, CH AOC, JS and CP were all what one would say kind and caring stepmothers. Elizabeth did spend time with Catherine Howard, and it angered her father that she made some comment about her stepmother's demise. All the children maintained relationships during the marriages and after their father's death. Elizabeth spend a lot of time with AOC. AOC was very good friends with Mary. JS bought them back to court. CP took on many roles on their

behalf besides stepmother.

[Jelperman]

Dudley is the Steadman of the 16th Century.

[QueenAnneBoleyn1536]

I love this scene...poor Bess.

[TheCatgirl6]

Can you post more scenes from the first episode (I think it's called "The Lion's Cub") involving Elizabeth, her stepfather and the death of her stepmother? I recall only bits and pieces of it... thanks.

[Vega01]

Is it historically correct that Elizabeth spent time with Katherine Howard? I thought she was only close to her father again after his wedding to Catherine Parr.

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@Vega01 Yes, she did. It was her death that made a deep impact on Elizabeth's views on marriage. There was an incident when she was 12yrs old, and she said something to her father that made him so angry that she was banished from his presence. It was Catherine Parr who reconciled them.

[ligreekguy]

@GeneLovesClassic1980

Elizabeth also saw what happened to Catherine Parr after the death of Henry. Catherine finally married the true love of her life, Thomas Seymour, only to see him make a play for Elizabeth, and then die having his child. Elizabeth also realized from the example of her sister Mary how dangerous it was for a reigning queen to marry. In the end, she would have to choose between her kingdom and her spouse, something that reigning kings did not need to do.

[xloisx1]

@GeneLovesClassic1980 do you also know what she said or is that not known? im curious about what she said!

[Lariel172]

@GeneLovesClassic1980

I wonder what she said to her father to make him so angry? Henry has the worst of tempers, and she would most likely be justified inw hatever she said, even if it was on the lines of....henry: I love Katherine Elizabeth: You used to love my mother. So tell me, how long will THIS one last? ..........or something like that.

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@Lariel172 There are some speculations... you can try reading The Lady Elizabeth (2008), a historical fiction written by Alison Weir. This author also wrote biographies on British royalty..

[MutatioAesa]

@Vega01

The two would have met yes, but how much time they spent together? Very little I doubt.

[ligreekguy]

@Vega01

Elizabeth was traumatized by a series of bad marriages involving the women in her family: aside from the execution of her mother, which she scarcely recalled, she was disheartened by the quick divorce of Anne of Cleves, to whom she had become close, the execution of Catherine Howard (her cousin), and the death in childbirth of her favorite stepmother, Catherine Parr, after the latter married Thomas Seymour. She also saw how her half-sister, Mary I, was victimized by Philip II.

[brontewcat]

@Vega01 I think also Katherine made a bit of a pet of Elizabeth because she was Katherine's cousin's daughter - making them first cousins once removed.

[Iluthra]

@Vega01 Kat Howard was related to Elizabeth after all.

[deloufu]

I forgot to ask this & I should have asked earlier & please forgive me for that. Now I would like to know the name of this series or wasn't a movie I'm not too sure to be honest with you if anybody knows could they please be kind enough to post it thank you.

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@deloufu The show is Elizabeth R, a 6 episode BBC television drama serial (1971)

[deloufu]

@GeneLovesClassic1980 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[evaperonfan]

I'm like Elizabeth, I don't want to get married-- I've been burned by men too...

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@evaperonfan it's okay. not all marriages provide total bliss for everyone. In Elizabeth's case, it was difficult for her to remain single cuz everyone excepted her to find a husband and provided an heir to the throne. She might have wanted children but let's face it, there was no decent man suitable for her at all. Not even Robert Dudley.

[evaperonfan]

@GeneLovesClassic1980 right. And I've been burned primarily by men of Hispanic descent. If I ever date again it will be someone of my own heritage. Sorry to sound racist, but some cu ltures have changed to respect women, and some haven't.

[ekateri28]

@evaperonfan I don't wish to get married for any other purpose except for soulmate. If that doesn't happen then it won't bother me one bit. I am very independent and don't like another person let alone a man to tell me what to do. So there.

[evaperonfan]

@ekateri28 right, same here!

[ligreekguy]

@evaperonfan

Roughly the same number of men who have been burned by women, I am afraid.



[chinagrrl]

I never knew that Elizabeth I got on well with Catherine Howard. That's an interesting fact, I think.

[JESSJUSTJESS]

Years of peace or rather the lack of civil strife made her reign idealic in comparison to those before and after her. I think her most beneficial legacy was to restore a sense of stability and common English sense to the monarchy.

[alexandrakl]

Glenda Jackson is my most favorite Elizabeth (though I of course love quite a few of the others such as Cate Blanchett, Helen Mirren, etc.) This is a truly fabulous series.

[evaperonfan]

I love Elizabeth!

[Deader87]

She is perhaps my favorite historical-figure!!!

[AdArmand]

Wonderfully tender and subtle acting. And Glenda has never been complemented on subtelty ;)

[TheReformed1]

what movie is this from?

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

Elizabeth R is a 6 episode BBC television drama serial (1971)

[deloufu]

Question is this on dvd?

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@deloufu i'm not sure but you can check it out or download it from the torrent sites

[RoonJazz]

Isn't that Robert Hardy?  Glenda Jackson's a fantastic actress.

[samsagitarias]

Glenda Jackson does a wonderful job or portraying Elizabeth l - one of the UK's finest performing artists. Elizabeth was , I beleive from what i have read, very mch in love with Robin or Robert Dudley, , but she was ever wary of his ambition, also, it was never clear how his wife Amy died. She was most certainly helped on her way, but as to who and how -it has never been clear. Dudley was cleared of her murder, but the suspicion that he was involved never really went away

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

Glenda Jackson had certainly made a deep career impression as Elizabeth II... somehow, I feel tt Elizabeth loved Dudley but she's unsure whether his love was sincere... Amy's untimely death made up her mind not to marry him to prevent any scandal

[brontewcat]

@samsagitarias In fact there is no evidence she was murdered. The most likely explanation is Amy had breast cancer. There is a reference to a malady of the breast some time before she died. Cancer can weaken the bones, therefore a fall down some stairs could cause a broken neck. But without the knowledge of modern medicine at the time there were always fingers pointed at Dudley

[ligreekguy]

@brontewcat

It is amazing how prevalent cancer was at that time, especially among women. Mary I died of it, as did her mother, Catherine of Aragon, and her grandmother, Isabella I of Spain. It is likely that Anne of Cleves also died of it.

[NA60469]

She is a brilliant Elizabeth I!

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

Yeah, she is

[JaponLights]

elizabeth and robert looks so....

[Anne231415]

I can't blame her for not wanting to marry. Look at all she witnessed.

[deloufu]

Neither can I. Having said that I will say this also. When you look back at history, Elizabeth I was one very smart cookie overall. That's what I think what does everybody else think?

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

Elizabeth was indeed smart not to make the same mistakes that her family made

[ekateri28]

@deloufu oh yeah. smarter than her rival Mary Queen of scots hands down!

[Ladissea]

WoW Robert Dudley is so ugly. Only good looking Robert has been in Elizabeth I and The Virgin Queen

[brontewcat]

@Ladissea I wouldn't say he was ugly art all. I think this is a far more accurate version of what Dudley was really like. The other versions have glamorised him and do not get to the heart of who the real life Dudley was. This series is the best version of Elizabeth you will ever see because it is so accurate My guess is this scene is based on a incident mentioned in a biography of Elizabeth called Elizabeth the Great by Elizabeth Jenkins.

[xxcookiejord]

thanks and please keep posting Elizabeth R clips please!

[JuzTudor70AD]

posted some in my channel, feel free to view it anytime