Static Electricity From Air P1

[kamalmichael]

gr8 idea..hv u tried anything else apart from Aluminium ?

[ToemanX]

@kamalmichael No, I tried no other metals. I used aluminum for two reasons: (1) It is

a good conductor of electricity. (2) I could shape the commonly available aluminum foil

easily into a ball shape. Copper would be a better conductor but copper foil is not

easily available.

[kamalmichael]

@ToemanX cud try to include a diode so electricity is forced one way only... like what they do for car alternators....u may get more electricity out.. is there a reason for it to be

spherical ? couldnt a copper pipe do just as well ?

[ToemanX]

@kamalmichael 1. Cars use AC generators but car electrical systems use DC. Diodes

change the AC into DC. Diodes serve no purpose in static electricity (SE). 2. SE flows

best around curves. A ball is all curves. 3. A copper pipe might work but you would have to experiment with ratios - width, height, diameter & where you put pick up wires.

[MucusFelidae]

Wood is not a good insulator, especially when it rains.

[ToemanX]

@MucusFelidae Dry wood (which I referred to in the video) makes an excellent insulator. Dry wood will not

conduct electricity at all.

[lbochtler]

@ToemanX actualy it cunducts electricety somewhat well. especialy at several KV´s, it tryed it. it cunducts. but it needs a lot of energy to do so.

[ToemanX]

@lbochtler I'm not sure what your referring to. Are you saying wood conducts electricity

at several thousand volts? Household current is only 115 volts. Static electricity from

the air is only a fraction of one volt. I stick by my statement that dry wood does not

conduct electricity - unless it gets by a lightning bolt.

[Snoepie97]

Whats that round thing on the top?

[ssslawek]

i got more voltage just by holding a multimeter leads.

[ToemanX]

@ssslawek Obviously, my device does not produce much voltage. There are four ways to increase voltage:

(1) increase the size of the ball, (2) increase the number of balls used, (3) place the ball on a higher pole.

The higher up the ball is the more "free electrons" it will collect, and (4) do all the above at same time.

[boxa888]

u give no credit to tesla!! aww. this is the tesla "utilization of radiant energy". there are multiple theories, but when properly insulated, it helps collect cosmic particle charges that pass through all of us every day for ever, indirectly they can make the static electricity in the device. my one worked ok, but i havent continued the work.

[ToemanX]

@boxa888 I'm not trying to deny Tesla's greatness but my device is not knowingly based on his work. "Cosmic

rays" from outer space may play a small part in generating static electricity in my device. However, most of it

comes from the interaction of atoms in the air and the atoms of the metal ball.

[banacek8675]

Most great inventions start with humble beginning success. Keep up the good work!

[jeffmolly1]

cool stuff.

[teomeimf]

DUDE! All you are measuring is the aluminum OXIDIZING (basically rusting) After 15 years the aluminum will turn WHITE with aluminum oxidized and your voltage would stop. The golden gate bridge puts out 40 amps since the IRON is slowly decaying.. This is METAL decay and not a new source of energy. Think of ALL the POWER that went into making this aluminum foil in the first place!!!!!!!!! Also you DO NOT want to be near this thing during a lightning storm!!!!!!!!!! KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ToemanX]

@teomeimf You have provided a surprising theory. You may be correct. However, I have never heard of an

electrical current being produced by metal decay. I will have to investigate your theory more fully. For the time

being I do not believe metal decay is a major factor in my aluminum ball producing static electricity. In the dry

air of southern Arizona the aluminum decay,by itself, would be occurring much too slow to produce a current.

[teomeimf]

@ToemanX A good example of METAL DECAY is a 'battery'. In the old ZINC / CARBON flash light battery you got the electricity from the ZINC decaying into zinc oxide... Same with a lithium battery with lithium decaying to lithium oxide or 'hydroxide' more accurately. You could also be unwittingly 'HARVESTING" radio waves. OVER 5,000,000 watts worth of TV and Radio station transmitters cuts through the air-waves and right over your head daily. SEE 'CRYSTAL RADIO'

[ToemanX]

@teomeimf I thought we were talking about metal surfaces open to the air. A battery has a liquid density 1,000

times greater than moisture found in the air. Metal decay from moisture in the air is extremely slow, especially

in "dry climates" such as where I live. And no we are not talking about RF energy either. Do you understand

the concept that the air is filled with ionized atoms that deposit free electrons on metal surfaces and this can result in a static electrical discharge?

[ardom50]

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[boumbh]

I may have not understand what you made... Are you on your way to reinvent Tesla coil? watch?v=o7NdxnjetSw

[ToemanX]

@boumbh My device has nothing to do with a Tesla coil which uses a conventional power supply. My device

collects free electrons out of the air. Free electrons collect on all surfaces such as trees, bushes, houses, etc.

However, most surfaces do not permit an easy flow of electrons into a current. That is why one does not get

a static electric discharge from a tree. In contrast the electrons flow easily on the surface of the metal ball.

[boumbh]

@ToemanX When you think about Tesla coil, it is a device that uses power supply in order to creates high voltage...

I put a video reference in my previous comment, it's a guy who explains that Tesla coil can be inverted in order to transform static electricity from the air into electric power. The guy also says that Tesla may had invented Tesla coil while trying to make a power generator from static electricity...

That's why I had this funny thought that you were walking in the path of Tesla.

[ToemanX]

@boumbh A Tesla coil is in part a transformer using continous AC current to produce rapidly oscillating RF

energy. An air charged static electric device is much too slow acting to be of use. It takes a long time, between discharges, to become fully charged again. At best a static electric device could be used to slowly charge up

a capacitor. One could then use the capacitor in a Tesla coil or any other device one wanted to.

[boumbh]

@ToemanX I read that they are already in use for charging cell phones. I understand more what you are up to. Thanks for your answers.

[tstatech]

You need to build a tank circuit.

[ToemanX]

@tstatech A tank circuit has to do with radio frequency tuning. My device has nothing to do with RF energy.

My device collects free electrons out of the thin air. The air has a lot of free electrons "floating" around.

When the free electrons gather on the aluminum ball they create static electricity.

[HiFiman4u]

Try insulating your ball so the energy won't dissipate so easily

[ToemanX]

@HiFiman4u Good idea. I'll give it a try.

[HiFiman4u]

@ToemanX

If it were me ,I would use a plastic (non conductive pole or isolate the ball from the pole with nylon. Insulate the foil with a spray on non conductive material on both sides before attaching to the ball. Use many more balls in parallel. Use a insulated solid core wire of at least 12awg.I would also put a small high voltage capacitor between the ball and ground.Also keep the ball away from trees and other structures.It's okay to place ground wire near trees.Good results=RESONANCE

[ToemanX]

@narrowgatevisions I was only interested in static electricity with this test. Yes, the higher you go the more

static electricity you get. However, I could only go up 15 feet with a pole. A better approach would be to use

a large helium ballon, floating at a couple hundred feet , with a thin wire running from the ballon to the ground.

You could get a lot of static electricity that way.

[lukerides666]

instead of a ball, use a flat polished aluminuim sheet, face it south, place it as high as you can (roof for example)this is (+) use a thick copper wire down to the ground. hammer another plate into the ground (-) wire a capacitor between 2 plates, discharge at your own risk ;)

[ToemanX]

@lukerides666 Why is it important to have the aluminium sheet face south?

[ztarrfect]

@lukerides666 Its the way Tesla did it isn't it? I never tried it if it would actually work. Did you?

[josephdupont]

Apparently with a long wire you can create a spark gap.

[overunitydotcom]

Try to use a stastically charged cleaning foil below the aluminium foil,

this will work like an electret and suck more free electrons this way from the air into your alufoil !

Well done !

Regards, STefan,

[kamalmichael]

gd idea.. maybe u cud add a diode and a capacitor to store the 1 percent of 1 volt

[ToemanX]

@kamalmichael You have made an intelligent suggestion. It was interesting to make electricity from thin air as science-fair-type experiement. However, it is not worth pursuing as a way to get practical amounts of electricity. It would take 100 balls (each 1&1/2 feet in dia.) to make one volt. Worse yet depending on atmospheric conditions it can take 3 hours to fully recharge the balls. So that would be only one volt produced every 3 hours.(No diode is needed static electricity is DC current)

[kamalmichael]

@ToemanX saw once a pedulum swing using a capacitor which would discharge at timed intervals to power

a small electromagnet which would give the pedulum a kick . The idea is to use the capacitor as a battery. I really think maybe ur device or an antenna or thermocouple wire cud charge a capacitor to allow it to give a kick

to a pendulum. On a larger scale a free swinging pendulum cud be put to good use. Gonna try to make ur ball