carl sagan did the same experiment at cornell university he combined C,O,H,N, and he got amino acids their he actully created something that given time can be omnipotent
@knightofchrist777 InfidelPerRatio's post shows knowledge of physics, your posts show an obvious ignorance of it even for an initiate, please stop refuting him. Study the (proven and observed) theory or relativity, and if you must have an answer for the "accidental" laws of physics, the answer is they are just there, as you pretend your god to be despite any evidence ever supporting this - Alternatively you might want to study string theory. Once you know what you're talking about, come back.
Guys, if ur intrested in arguing abt if God did this or not, read my comments furthur down, if u have any questions please don't hesitate. and for those christians who don't know much abt how we know God exists, please don't corner ur self...it is a shame to christianity...let me handle it...not that Im a know it all, but I am exceptionally good at arguing...read my comments below, and u will see what I mean. If ur stuck in a question please mssg me, I will try to answer as best as I can. :D
Ok, so if a superbeing created all this, and its so perfect and all...., why is it so damn flawed??? If this were the only enzyme used to copy, with no additions, the mutations becouse of falsely build in nucleotides would couse the cell to die after only 1 duplication. There are 10 times more repair mechanisms only to repair the screwed up translation...., Yea..., great design..... (btw I am catholic, but absolutely don't believe in intelligent design).
@RespectMyHate What do you mean? Enzymes can only move through DNA from 3' to 5'. The other side of the DNA is moving the opposite direction, meaning the enzyme must pass through the DNA in segments because they can only move in a certain direction on DNA. This is just the molecular make up of DNA... so ... chemically... physically... the other strand MUST get copied backwards. Otherwise the cell cannot replicate. If a living being was not doing it this way, they'd be dead and not exist today.
@RespectMyHate That doesn't follow, even from your question... My point was just to answer your question. I don't really get what you're talking about now.
@quitejaded Actually you never answered my question in the first place, My question was how did this system evolve? You never aswered it, you just told me how it works, which I already knew. I can tell your retarded.
@RespectMyHate And I can tell you never took basic biology nor do you give a crap about getting your question answered (which was answered -- its basic chemistry and I'd explain further how it can happen from bacteria that photosynthesize to invertebrates, but I doubt you care). You're using youtube to stroke your ego. Have fun with that.
@RespectMyHate To anyone else reading Respectmyhate's dumb question, the other side replicating "backwards" is not a evolutionary component. The molecules that are doing this work according to physical and chemical laws. It is working "backwards" because it is physically impossible to work the other way.
Note: the only reason I say most likely is because it also depends on if this person follows Gods rules or not.
Anyways...overall it is smarter to believe in God because if u do its a win-neutral proboblity, but if you don't believe in God, it’s a neutral-lose probability.
@KnightOfChrist777 It's not "smarter" to believe in that which is supported by no evidence. Delusion is delusion. The fact that you think an all-knowing God would be tricked by someone believing for selfish reasons is actually quite funny.
@quitejaded sigh* now we are getting redundent.try not to make me repeate my self alot hun.my goal is to prove which God exists...not which is right.we could go to that argument if only u admit that God exists. Also, don't be ignorant abt Christianity.if u know anything abt it, u would know that we believe that God allowed this to happen that he may be crucified for the remission of sins.and out of love...but indeed he does now all...like when he told Peter he will lie three times b4 it happened
#6: It is more logical to believe in God then to not....simply for the reason of probability. If person #1 does not believe in God and he is right...he gets nothing, and he losses nothing, because there is no God and therefore, neither is heaven or hell...But if he is wrong...he losses everything because he goes to hell for eternity. On the other hand, if he does believe in God and he is wrong, he gets nothing, and losses nothing...but if he is right...he gains everything...
@KnightOfChrist777 This is a false dillemna. There are more options that There is a God and there is No God. For example, There could be ANOTHER God and you are worshipping the wrong one.
@quitejaded This my friend is the second step...my goal here is to prove that God exists...which God is true...that my friend is a whole new topic...and by stating that it could be another God...I have accomplished my Goal....that u now thought...that maybe...just maybe...God created this all...and that it didn't just happen...
#5: not even eternity can satisfy randomness to make the watch/universe because some parts need to be clicked in...Not just make contact with another part.
#4: This universe is not random. Why you may ask, simply because it’s much too complex for the law of randomness. Like a watch, all the parts are placed in a specific order and each have a specific function. You cannot take the parts which make up a watch, put them in a box....shake it, and expect it to RANDOMLY come back together. It has had to be put together by a Watchmaker, which in this case, is God.
@KnightOfChrist777 Another problem with your argument. Firstly, if there is infinite time, there are infinite possibilities -- a watch is possible. Secondly, a watch cannot survive and REPLICATE itself the way living organisms do. The complexity in animals is due to a process of elimination.
@quitejaded lolzzz.if there is infinate time there is infinant posibilities....UMMM NO! not really....lol....cause to make a watch the there is only certain LIMITED steps to make that watch....NOT UNLIMITED....which means in equation form, that the numerator would stay the same (limited number of CORRECT steps) and the denominator would grow exponentially (UNLIMITED TIME)...SO...it is impossible...1/infinity is not a possibilty.
@quitejaded oh and I almost forgot...IF A WATCH is not able to replicate its self..but a cell can..which do u think is more complex?....if u know anything abt bio. u would know that a cell is much more complicated than a watch...which proves the point even more...if the pieces of the simple puzzle is virtually impossible to connect (watch)....how much more impossible is it for the complex puzzle to do so. (cell)
@KnightOfChrist777 #3 is completely wrong. Evolution doesn't even involve abiogenesis, let alone cosmogenesis. Evolution can only occur when life is already present. This is a simple concept - which you obviously don't understand. This makes it hard for me to take anything you say seriously. Also, scientists DO try and answer it - - - all the time.
There is still clear evidence of macro-evolution. Despite the fact that distinguishing between micro/macro is ridiculous anyway.
@InfidelPerRatio Alright. #1 what proof do u have that macro evelution existed?
#2 YES! evolution does have alot to do with cosmology...lol...how do u think the big bang came to be?...
#3 UMMM NO! scientists used to try to answer...not any more...they only have 2 possibilities...the big bang "a greater being. if it is the big band, then what i said in the brevious argument was correct. and if it is a greater being, then there need be no need for arguing..."a greater being" is what we call God
@KnightOfChrist777 The only difference between micro and macro evolution is the time scale being utilized. DNA is "proof" enough of evolution.
Evolution has NOTHING to do with cosmology. How did the Big Bang come from evolution? You make absolutely no sense. Evolution can only occur when there is ALREADY life.
Theoretical physicists mess with the beginning of the universe all the time. Thing like M-theory or brane theory (might be the same?). Quantum mechanics is fairly new.
@InfidelPerRatio DUDE....according to scientific logic, evolution would not have occured if the "BIG BANG" didn't occure, cause tht is what supposodly created the basic key elements to kick start evolution.....lol...and guess what THE BIG BANG IS RELATED TO COSMOLOGY....CAN U BELIEVE IT ? !!! :/ :P
You said "In evolution, the Big Bang is the start" -- which is wrong. Evolution doesn't require the Big Bang. It simply requires life. YES, the Big Bang is the origin of matter and thus life and thus evolution, but that is the ONLY sense in which they are related. But, if the Big Bang is disproven, evolution is not disproven. Evolution has NOTHING to do with the BB.
You have it backwards.
I never said the BB wasn't cosmological, however. It is by definition.
@InfidelPerRatio ok....I am going to ask a question....but answer....very carefully....Do You believe in a God...doesn't have to be a specific one...but do u believe in a God?
Of course I don't believe in God (any of them). However, the issue of a deity is irrelevant to what science says. And I was merely pointing out your obvious misapprehension in regards to that.
@InfidelPerRatio OK Mr; I don't believe in God, but I rely on sciece guy....what created the first element....NOT CELL, THE COMPONANTS TO MAKE THAT CELL....WHAT CREATED THOSE....I suggest "I GREATER BEING".....what do u suggest?....and if u didn't get the question clear enough...I wana know....how the smallest building blocks were created....?
@KnightOfChrist777 Lol - - so, unless we can explain EVERYthing . . . "God" is a reasonable answer? Can you explain HOW God came to be? HOW he "created" the universe?
Matter (elements) are created by condensing energy. E=mc^2. After the big bang, the universe had a way high energy density. As it cooled and energy condensed, matter/anti-matter formed. A higher portion of matter existed than antimatter, so after the annihilation we were left with all the matter in the universe.
@KnightOfChrist777 These were mainly the lighter elements (Hydrogen and Helium). Heavier atoms were created inside the core of stars. These stars explode, the chemically rich gas clouds condense into planets, some chemistry happens, and (if conditions are right) you get life.
Not that I have to know any of this to reject the unsupported notion of a "God," however. Especially the silly ones that religion postulates.
@KnightOfChrist777 Heavier elements are then forged in the cores of stars, which explode. The chemically rich cloud of gas/dust resulting from that condenses into planets. Then, if conditions are right, some chemistry goes down and you get life.
Not that you have to know any of this in order to reject the completely unsupported notion of a God. Especially the silly ones postulated by religion.
@InfidelPerRatio Yup!...It makes PERFECT SENSE...." Heavier elements just exist....then are forged...they then explode, and make lots of gas which started life"...YUP....lol......alright budy...where did the elements come from in the first place...what gave them the capability to explode in the first place....I mean, SURLY not all particles explode...lol....so what gave these very first particles(which just so happen to ACCEDENTLY be there...) the motion to explode...WHAT PROPELED ALL THIS!!?!?
well obviously its complicated, but its even more ridiculous to say that some guy in the sky planned it all to work like that because creating humans would give him some sort of pleasure
and then, the atheists finally realized that there are just somethings they cant explain, and the theists finally figured out that god could do things through evolution and science.
thats so amazing. it makes me kinda sad that i'll never know why exactly these things happen. i wish i was alive in a thousand years time, we'll know so much more.
@aran31562 it's possible you already know...have always known.....maybe we just don't remember "designing it"......if you made a dollhouse and then were able to live in that dollhouse with no memory of what you were before....it would seem real....at least that's how I see it......
Evolution on this planet started off with 1,800,000,000 years of nothing but prokaryotes. Currently there are around 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 5 million trillion trillion, or 5e30 bacteria on the Earth, so that gives you an idea of the kind of numbers we're dealing with.
If your god can't combine the laws of physics with these kind of numbers to bring the machinery of the cell to what it is today, you need to get another god.
lol people in this thread actually think this is intelligence at work here.... don't be so delusional, it's biochemical reactions at work happening randomly. attractions, collisions, enzymatic catalysis and formations of binding sites. otherwise you don't even need to look at these reactions to prove god, you need to go at the subatomic level. hehehe... look at the atom and its orbitals and how it's organized... proof of the flying spaghetti monster's existence. touched by his noodle appendages.
lol!!! you actually think you can prove other wise!
there is no such thing as random, that's just a way we explain what is unexplainable, everything has a cause and an effect!!!
How can 50 trillion cells each housing 6 feet of dna all work and coexist in unison, and all by random chance!!
evolution is unable to explain the over 250 unique genes found in humans..incremental improvements through random mutations is becoming more implausible by the day!
Why couldn't they exist by random chance. If you want to know how cells and dna work on a molecular level than study it. Don't just assume that because it is too complex for you to understand that it couldn't be a product of chance. Also, saying evolution doesn't have all teh answers isn't an argument. Evolution is a fact just as gravity. We have theories that explain how they operate... neither theory has all the answers, but this doesn't mean gravity isn't a fact.
you know, randomness is also part of cause and effect. just that the effect cannot be predicted. unless you're playing with a lot of "cause and effect" events then with laws of probability we can do a better a job at predicting with a small margin of error in a controlled environment.
also get a little acquainted with "emergence".
btw, show me the literature that mentions those 250 unique genes found in humans.
if there's no such thing as randomness in nature, that means atom and molecule are conscientiously choosing which particle/ligand they react (bind) with. are you prepared to change all the laws of physics and receive the nobel prize by proving atoms and molecules have an awareness?
@haudace There are many philosophers/physicians/mathematicians who believe that every thing has a level of consciousness. Though, that does not mean YOU understand what consciousness can do or can create. Read more about Leibneiz, one of the fathers of Calculus. Also, opposite of randomness is not necessarily individuals making decisions. Read more about predetermination.
Predetermination? Please offer some suggestions on how we can test it to see its impact on particle behavior. Don't be fooled by scientific expressions such as 'controlled environment, test control...'
-"everything has a level of consciousness."
Not a very persuasive claim. Then again, consciousness is such a hard concept to define, I can't be optimist in your ability to convince me of your "opinion". Please understand my reluctance in taking everything at face value.
@haudace Uhh... I'm not talking about my opinion. I'm talking about what the OPPOSITE of what you're opinion really is. I'm using ELEMENTARY logic to show you that you are creating a false dilemma (creating a "either this or this and nothing else" situation) that is not real.
I will give you another chance to prove yourself. Again, I am skeptical about your assertions, please clarify them a little bit more so I can understand your point of view. I am not telepathic, you have to expand your thoughts a little bit more, because frankly right now you are not making any sense. I am not in your head. And you are contradicting yourself, you talk about opposite then later on you talk about the false dilemma of "either this or nothing else". What's up with that?
@haudace Prove myself? Again, I was not giving my personal assertions. I was giving you more possibilities to consider. Why is that confusing to you? You had a logical error and I was helping you get over it.
Are you still talking about predetermination and particle awareness without a shred of evidence? Ah, forget it I figure you're just trolling me... Whatever...
@haudace you can't possibly look at such intricate process, at chemical bonding, at atom's orbitals,at Coulomb's law, that even if one of these would change by most minuscule amount not only the process of DNA replication but our entire universe would collapse and then try to tell me that it doesn't make you wonder, how in the world did this happen by luck? Studying science and nonpretentious reason has only strengthened my faith. If you dont agree fine, but don't phrase your posts so carelessly
okay then, every particle must have its own angel.
i might have been too hasty in constructing my randomness argument though... someone in this thread mentioned randomness is used to explain the unexplainable, which i somewhat agree with. i agree that nature functions with cause and effect up to the point of the big bang... despite this admission of my part, whatever was before the big bang is a total unknown to humanity and for that reason alone i am a theological noncognitivist.
@seanmPWH no the entire process is initiated randomly. All those proteinss you see up there just float around at ridiculously high speeds within the nucleus until they hit each other up by chance and synthesize the DNA replication complex.. Think of it like this - there's a bullet coming at you. What are your odds of hitting the guy with a single bullet of a pistol. Not very high right? But what if you had a machine gun that shot 20000 rounds/second- by "chance" you'll definitly hit it.
@jb0433628 the fact that you are starting a Ph.D. proves that you are the unquestionable voice of truth when it comes to this. its called emergence. order randomly arising from disorder, primarily because of the chemical traits at the molecular level. you ever notice the unique shapes of snowflakes? that is due to the interactions at the molecular level that make the appearance that it is "designed" when it is, in reality, a question that any high school freshman in chemistry could answer.
@jb0433628 just because you dont understand how it happens does not mean its random, or that god did it. it means you dont understand, and rather than try and find out, you resort to the pathetic cop-out "god did it". honestly, you are pathetic
Haha I think you have missed the point here. Seems like most people are not able to understand how complex the process described here is, and how impossible it is to pop it out of nowhere.
@jb0433628 the point is that it didnt "pop out of nowhere"... it slowly manifested itself over billions of years... We can see evolution on the microscopic scale within our lifetimes with, for instance, the existence of antibiotic resistant bacteria, or bacteria around hot springs (we have to use bacteria to see it because their lifecycle is so short that its possible to see evolution (around 20 minutes). There is so much evidence for evolution! Wake up and see it...
@jb0433628 the point is that it didnt "pop out of nowhere"... it slowly manifested itself over billions of years... We can see evolution on the microscopic scale within our lifetimes with, for instance, the existence of antibiotic resistant bacteria, or bacteria around hot springs (we have to use bacteria to see it because their lifecycle is so short that its possible to see evolution (around 20 minutes). There is so much evidence for evolution! Wake up and see it...
@haudace What? People are thinking these processes occur by means of magic or intelligent design? It took years (billions) for these chemical reactions to replicate themselves to animals (animals as small as plankton or as big as elephants). The chemistry in this is obvious to me.
@haudace Your post showed me that you did not understand all the possibilities that other great minds have thought of as well, so I was offering a few to consider.
Please, elaborate on those "great" possibilities I should consider. But keep in mind that I have been trained to not take everything at face value. You have to give me grounds to consider anything you say. Right now, you have intrigued me with the possibility of you granting me your non fictitious knowledge.
@haudace "fingers" that open and close,ratchets that lock into place,and feet that move along tracks and you should understand what Im talking about if you know anything about biology and molecular machines. This goes beyond anything you just said.
if god is so all-knowing and powerful, why did he use the energy wasteful process of using DNA primase instead of allowing polymerase (with its proofreading capability) to place the primers itself? RNA primers are energy wasteful and have a high rate of error..
you can still see Okazaki fragments, the narrator didnt mention it though.
you can also see for a brief second RNA polymerase going in and out and b-clamp (circle-looking enzyme swimming close by) that feeds strand to DNA polymerase III.
But this does not show degradation by DNA polymerase I of RNA primer that was placed by RNA polymerase, as well as sealing of nicks by DNA lygase. And that should happen right after the synthesis.
really informative..but not detail enough..in the replication part the enzymes,okazaki fragments, and many other things should be mentioned..anyway tq so much 4 uploading this vid! cool!
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Why would they? All of His creations testify for His grandeur! You are telling me this is all chance? Would you believe that some scraps of metal blown by wind over the years would create an airplane? I'm a biology major, and the more I study, the more I marvel at God's magnificence.
You are a classic example of someone that completely misunderstands evolution by natural selection.There was no "wind that magically constructed an airplane." Life is a process that happens over hundreds of millions of years.
Our brains have evolved enough that we create tool/objects for a purpose. Therefore when we see things that are so intricate and seemingly flawless in design it is only natural that we assume that something of higher intelligence "designed" it.
if life evolves slowly over millions of years then please explain the sheer profusion of stasis that has been observed within the strata of the earth, as darwin and even dawkins admit!!
why then also have we evolved far beyond simple need to survive and reproduce.
no moron, only a psychopath would say that all these amazing things happening in our cells right now are just pure coincidence and a product of mere chance. if you belive that then you truly are a psychopath. humans and all of life is marvelously designed. junk dna? how long is it since you've read a biology book?
Physical laws, huge periods of time and chance are very powerful creative tools. What is wrong with believing in chance and still understanding marvelous beauty???
all is not order. In the larger scheme of things all is chaos. If you ever find proof of this universal order please show me... only after you understand the definition of order though. Study entropy or something... You are basically contradicting yourself in every other statement saying you aren't religious but claiming universal order... saying biology doesn't make sense... it isn't an accident. You sound ignorant and religious to me... sorry for the redundancy
carl sagan did the same experiment at cornell university he combined C,O,H,N, and he got amino acids their he actully created something that given time can be omnipotent
RECKOGNING1 2 weeks ago
@knightofchrist777 InfidelPerRatio's post shows knowledge of physics, your posts show an obvious ignorance of it even for an initiate, please stop refuting him. Study the (proven and observed) theory or relativity, and if you must have an answer for the "accidental" laws of physics, the answer is they are just there, as you pretend your god to be despite any evidence ever supporting this - Alternatively you might want to study string theory. Once you know what you're talking about, come back.
BigBadBrahd 1 month ago
if anything this proves there is no god
dublyooteeeff 2 months ago 2
This video is on DNA replication, i dont know how "god" got into this... but seriously people?
oatmealeiranova 3 months ago
fuck, why does every science video have a religious argument?
why cant the answer be both? fuck it matching the bibles interpretation of "god".
physics is god, biology is god, mitosis is god. kinetochore tubules are god.
think abstractly, people. nobody "made" anything.
yamammiwammi 3 months ago
what was this animation done with... A potato?
GeorgeEliot197 3 months ago
This is why it took a few billion years for the first animals to appear, the cell is the most complex thing you can imagine.
dissturbbed 3 months ago
"don't screw this up fatty"
apfeltes 4 months ago
Guys, if ur intrested in arguing abt if God did this or not, read my comments furthur down, if u have any questions please don't hesitate. and for those christians who don't know much abt how we know God exists, please don't corner ur self...it is a shame to christianity...let me handle it...not that Im a know it all, but I am exceptionally good at arguing...read my comments below, and u will see what I mean. If ur stuck in a question please mssg me, I will try to answer as best as I can. :D
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@ivanadaniela93 It's called evolution. And it's more alive than you are, my friend.
MunchOnCrunchyLunch 5 months ago
how can this possibly formed by chance??
nurbsenvi 5 months ago
@TitaniusAnglesmith1 Ever read of stromatolites my friend?
MunchOnCrunchyLunch 5 months ago
wow this is breathtaking and so beautiful! Who built this machine??
pureebreeze 7 months ago 2
Out grow the myth that the universe cares about us, that it was designed for us in mind, that it is all about you and me. It is not. Look at the
beauty of science instead, think about the consolations of philosophy,
the glories of literature. Get a life, Get off your knees, and stop
groveling and stop waling.
nigelsenchez 7 months ago
Ok, so if a superbeing created all this, and its so perfect and all...., why is it so damn flawed??? If this were the only enzyme used to copy, with no additions, the mutations becouse of falsely build in nucleotides would couse the cell to die after only 1 duplication. There are 10 times more repair mechanisms only to repair the screwed up translation...., Yea..., great design..... (btw I am catholic, but absolutely don't believe in intelligent design).
Raikara 8 months ago
I wonder how evolutionist explain how the other strand managed to get copied backwards, how did that evolve?
Anybody want to answer that?
RespectMyHate 9 months ago
@RespectMyHate What do you mean? Enzymes can only move through DNA from 3' to 5'. The other side of the DNA is moving the opposite direction, meaning the enzyme must pass through the DNA in segments because they can only move in a certain direction on DNA. This is just the molecular make up of DNA... so ... chemically... physically... the other strand MUST get copied backwards. Otherwise the cell cannot replicate. If a living being was not doing it this way, they'd be dead and not exist today.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded Basically what I'm trying to say is, that this system couldn't have evolved. Its the product of an Intelligent God.
RespectMyHate 7 months ago
@RespectMyHate That doesn't follow, even from your question... My point was just to answer your question. I don't really get what you're talking about now.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded Actually you never answered my question in the first place, My question was how did this system evolve? You never aswered it, you just told me how it works, which I already knew. I can tell your retarded.
RespectMyHate 7 months ago
@RespectMyHate And I can tell you never took basic biology nor do you give a crap about getting your question answered (which was answered -- its basic chemistry and I'd explain further how it can happen from bacteria that photosynthesize to invertebrates, but I doubt you care). You're using youtube to stroke your ego. Have fun with that.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@RespectMyHate To anyone else reading Respectmyhate's dumb question, the other side replicating "backwards" is not a evolutionary component. The molecules that are doing this work according to physical and chemical laws. It is working "backwards" because it is physically impossible to work the other way.
quitejaded 7 months ago
Note: the only reason I say most likely is because it also depends on if this person follows Gods rules or not.
Anyways...overall it is smarter to believe in God because if u do its a win-neutral proboblity, but if you don't believe in God, it’s a neutral-lose probability.
KnightOfChrist777 10 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 It's not "smarter" to believe in that which is supported by no evidence. Delusion is delusion. The fact that you think an all-knowing God would be tricked by someone believing for selfish reasons is actually quite funny.
InfidelPerRatio 9 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 What if the God you believe in is actually Satan and the true God punishes you for worshiping a false idol?
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded sigh* now we are getting redundent.try not to make me repeate my self alot hun.my goal is to prove which God exists...not which is right.we could go to that argument if only u admit that God exists. Also, don't be ignorant abt Christianity.if u know anything abt it, u would know that we believe that God allowed this to happen that he may be crucified for the remission of sins.and out of love...but indeed he does now all...like when he told Peter he will lie three times b4 it happened
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 my goal is to prove which God exists, not which is the right one* (correction for second line)
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
#6: It is more logical to believe in God then to not....simply for the reason of probability. If person #1 does not believe in God and he is right...he gets nothing, and he losses nothing, because there is no God and therefore, neither is heaven or hell...But if he is wrong...he losses everything because he goes to hell for eternity. On the other hand, if he does believe in God and he is wrong, he gets nothing, and losses nothing...but if he is right...he gains everything...
KnightOfChrist777 10 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 This is a false dillemna. There are more options that There is a God and there is No God. For example, There could be ANOTHER God and you are worshipping the wrong one.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded This my friend is the second step...my goal here is to prove that God exists...which God is true...that my friend is a whole new topic...and by stating that it could be another God...I have accomplished my Goal....that u now thought...that maybe...just maybe...God created this all...and that it didn't just happen...
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
#5: not even eternity can satisfy randomness to make the watch/universe because some parts need to be clicked in...Not just make contact with another part.
KnightOfChrist777 10 months ago
#4: This universe is not random. Why you may ask, simply because it’s much too complex for the law of randomness. Like a watch, all the parts are placed in a specific order and each have a specific function. You cannot take the parts which make up a watch, put them in a box....shake it, and expect it to RANDOMLY come back together. It has had to be put together by a Watchmaker, which in this case, is God.
KnightOfChrist777 10 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 Another problem with your argument. Firstly, if there is infinite time, there are infinite possibilities -- a watch is possible. Secondly, a watch cannot survive and REPLICATE itself the way living organisms do. The complexity in animals is due to a process of elimination.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded lolzzz.if there is infinate time there is infinant posibilities....UMMM NO! not really....lol....cause to make a watch the there is only certain LIMITED steps to make that watch....NOT UNLIMITED....which means in equation form, that the numerator would stay the same (limited number of CORRECT steps) and the denominator would grow exponentially (UNLIMITED TIME)...SO...it is impossible...1/infinity is not a possibilty.
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 We're not talking about watch making... ... Maybe we're on two different topics.
quitejaded 4 months ago
@quitejaded oh and I almost forgot...IF A WATCH is not able to replicate its self..but a cell can..which do u think is more complex?....if u know anything abt bio. u would know that a cell is much more complicated than a watch...which proves the point even more...if the pieces of the simple puzzle is virtually impossible to connect (watch)....how much more impossible is it for the complex puzzle to do so. (cell)
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
#1: I believe in micro evolution not macro evolution.
#2: All the studies done only prove micro evolution, macro evolution is a theory based on Macro evolution.
#3: In evolution, the big bang is the start, where the particles that form it come from is a question no scientist dares answer.
KnightOfChrist777 10 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 #3 is completely wrong. Evolution doesn't even involve abiogenesis, let alone cosmogenesis. Evolution can only occur when life is already present. This is a simple concept - which you obviously don't understand. This makes it hard for me to take anything you say seriously. Also, scientists DO try and answer it - - - all the time.
There is still clear evidence of macro-evolution. Despite the fact that distinguishing between micro/macro is ridiculous anyway.
InfidelPerRatio 9 months ago
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KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@InfidelPerRatio Alright. #1 what proof do u have that macro evelution existed?
#2 YES! evolution does have alot to do with cosmology...lol...how do u think the big bang came to be?...
#3 UMMM NO! scientists used to try to answer...not any more...they only have 2 possibilities...the big bang "a greater being. if it is the big band, then what i said in the brevious argument was correct. and if it is a greater being, then there need be no need for arguing..."a greater being" is what we call God
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 The only difference between micro and macro evolution is the time scale being utilized. DNA is "proof" enough of evolution.
Evolution has NOTHING to do with cosmology. How did the Big Bang come from evolution? You make absolutely no sense. Evolution can only occur when there is ALREADY life.
Theoretical physicists mess with the beginning of the universe all the time. Thing like M-theory or brane theory (might be the same?). Quantum mechanics is fairly new.
InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
@InfidelPerRatio DUDE....according to scientific logic, evolution would not have occured if the "BIG BANG" didn't occure, cause tht is what supposodly created the basic key elements to kick start evolution.....lol...and guess what THE BIG BANG IS RELATED TO COSMOLOGY....CAN U BELIEVE IT ? !!! :/ :P
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 Seriously?
You said "In evolution, the Big Bang is the start" -- which is wrong. Evolution doesn't require the Big Bang. It simply requires life. YES, the Big Bang is the origin of matter and thus life and thus evolution, but that is the ONLY sense in which they are related. But, if the Big Bang is disproven, evolution is not disproven. Evolution has NOTHING to do with the BB.
You have it backwards.
I never said the BB wasn't cosmological, however. It is by definition.
InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
@InfidelPerRatio ok....I am going to ask a question....but answer....very carefully....Do You believe in a God...doesn't have to be a specific one...but do u believe in a God?
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 Hah, answer carefully?
Of course I don't believe in God (any of them). However, the issue of a deity is irrelevant to what science says. And I was merely pointing out your obvious misapprehension in regards to that.
InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
@InfidelPerRatio OK Mr; I don't believe in God, but I rely on sciece guy....what created the first element....NOT CELL, THE COMPONANTS TO MAKE THAT CELL....WHAT CREATED THOSE....I suggest "I GREATER BEING".....what do u suggest?....and if u didn't get the question clear enough...I wana know....how the smallest building blocks were created....?
KnightOfChrist777 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 Lol - - so, unless we can explain EVERYthing . . . "God" is a reasonable answer? Can you explain HOW God came to be? HOW he "created" the universe?
Matter (elements) are created by condensing energy. E=mc^2. After the big bang, the universe had a way high energy density. As it cooled and energy condensed, matter/anti-matter formed. A higher portion of matter existed than antimatter, so after the annihilation we were left with all the matter in the universe.
InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
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InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 These were mainly the lighter elements (Hydrogen and Helium). Heavier atoms were created inside the core of stars. These stars explode, the chemically rich gas clouds condense into planets, some chemistry happens, and (if conditions are right) you get life.
Not that I have to know any of this to reject the unsupported notion of a "God," however. Especially the silly ones that religion postulates.
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InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 Heavier elements are then forged in the cores of stars, which explode. The chemically rich cloud of gas/dust resulting from that condenses into planets. Then, if conditions are right, some chemistry goes down and you get life.
Not that you have to know any of this in order to reject the completely unsupported notion of a God. Especially the silly ones postulated by religion.
InfidelPerRatio 4 months ago
@InfidelPerRatio Yup!...It makes PERFECT SENSE...." Heavier elements just exist....then are forged...they then explode, and make lots of gas which started life"...YUP....lol......alright budy...where did the elements come from in the first place...what gave them the capability to explode in the first place....I mean, SURLY not all particles explode...lol....so what gave these very first particles(which just so happen to ACCEDENTLY be there...) the motion to explode...WHAT PROPELED ALL THIS!!?!?
KnightOfChrist777 2 months ago
@InfidelPerRatio BTW, if proof is what u need....why don't u read all the stuff I wrote before...it would help u understand my perspective :)
KnightOfChrist777 2 months ago
@KnightOfChrist777 Macroevolution is a theory and is regarded as such. What is the issue here?
quitejaded 7 months ago
@all....I am going with God....this has the traits of amazing engineering!...on a nano scale no less...
grfield1 11 months ago
well obviously its complicated, but its even more ridiculous to say that some guy in the sky planned it all to work like that because creating humans would give him some sort of pleasure
sithisaak 1 year ago
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@haudace
"The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; " -psalm 14-1
jb0433628 1 year ago
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"The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”"
Psalm 14:1
jb0433628 1 year ago
and then, the atheists finally realized that there are just somethings they cant explain, and the theists finally figured out that god could do things through evolution and science.
hallelujah, gesundheit.
animedragon123 1 year ago
@animedragon123 lol fail
dag101101 1 year ago
Aaaugh! If there is intelligence behind this, it is a malevolent one!
unlearny 1 year ago
Fascinating! Absolutely fascinating!
airsoftmasterz 1 year ago
thats so amazing. it makes me kinda sad that i'll never know why exactly these things happen. i wish i was alive in a thousand years time, we'll know so much more.
aran31562 1 year ago 2
@aran31562 Be thankful you weren't born in dark ages.
msndokaralho 1 year ago
@aran31562 it's possible you already know...have always known.....maybe we just don't remember "designing it"......if you made a dollhouse and then were able to live in that dollhouse with no memory of what you were before....it would seem real....at least that's how I see it......
Zatoichi444 1 year ago
Evolution on this planet started off with 1,800,000,000 years of nothing but prokaryotes. Currently there are around 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 5 million trillion trillion, or 5e30 bacteria on the Earth, so that gives you an idea of the kind of numbers we're dealing with.
If your god can't combine the laws of physics with these kind of numbers to bring the machinery of the cell to what it is today, you need to get another god.
mutatron 2 years ago 7
lol people in this thread actually think this is intelligence at work here.... don't be so delusional, it's biochemical reactions at work happening randomly. attractions, collisions, enzymatic catalysis and formations of binding sites. otherwise you don't even need to look at these reactions to prove god, you need to go at the subatomic level. hehehe... look at the atom and its orbitals and how it's organized... proof of the flying spaghetti monster's existence. touched by his noodle appendages.
haudace 2 years ago 15
All hail his holy noodliness!
mac197710 2 years ago 2
lol!!! you actually think you can prove other wise!
there is no such thing as random, that's just a way we explain what is unexplainable, everything has a cause and an effect!!!
How can 50 trillion cells each housing 6 feet of dna all work and coexist in unison, and all by random chance!!
evolution is unable to explain the over 250 unique genes found in humans..incremental improvements through random mutations is becoming more implausible by the day!
zenithar6666 2 years ago
Why couldn't they exist by random chance. If you want to know how cells and dna work on a molecular level than study it. Don't just assume that because it is too complex for you to understand that it couldn't be a product of chance. Also, saying evolution doesn't have all teh answers isn't an argument. Evolution is a fact just as gravity. We have theories that explain how they operate... neither theory has all the answers, but this doesn't mean gravity isn't a fact.
GPenn09 2 years ago
you know, randomness is also part of cause and effect. just that the effect cannot be predicted. unless you're playing with a lot of "cause and effect" events then with laws of probability we can do a better a job at predicting with a small margin of error in a controlled environment.
also get a little acquainted with "emergence".
btw, show me the literature that mentions those 250 unique genes found in humans.
haudace 2 years ago
if there's no such thing as randomness in nature, that means atom and molecule are conscientiously choosing which particle/ligand they react (bind) with. are you prepared to change all the laws of physics and receive the nobel prize by proving atoms and molecules have an awareness?
haudace 2 years ago
@haudace There are many philosophers/physicians/mathematicians who believe that every thing has a level of consciousness. Though, that does not mean YOU understand what consciousness can do or can create. Read more about Leibneiz, one of the fathers of Calculus. Also, opposite of randomness is not necessarily individuals making decisions. Read more about predetermination.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded
Predetermination? Please offer some suggestions on how we can test it to see its impact on particle behavior. Don't be fooled by scientific expressions such as 'controlled environment, test control...'
-"everything has a level of consciousness."
Not a very persuasive claim. Then again, consciousness is such a hard concept to define, I can't be optimist in your ability to convince me of your "opinion". Please understand my reluctance in taking everything at face value.
haudace 7 months ago
@haudace Uhh... I'm not talking about my opinion. I'm talking about what the OPPOSITE of what you're opinion really is. I'm using ELEMENTARY logic to show you that you are creating a false dilemma (creating a "either this or this and nothing else" situation) that is not real.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded
I will give you another chance to prove yourself. Again, I am skeptical about your assertions, please clarify them a little bit more so I can understand your point of view. I am not telepathic, you have to expand your thoughts a little bit more, because frankly right now you are not making any sense. I am not in your head. And you are contradicting yourself, you talk about opposite then later on you talk about the false dilemma of "either this or nothing else". What's up with that?
haudace 7 months ago
@haudace Prove myself? Again, I was not giving my personal assertions. I was giving you more possibilities to consider. Why is that confusing to you? You had a logical error and I was helping you get over it.
quitejaded 7 months ago
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haudace 7 months ago
@quitejaded
Are you still talking about predetermination and particle awareness without a shred of evidence? Ah, forget it I figure you're just trolling me... Whatever...
haudace 7 months ago
@haudace you can't possibly look at such intricate process, at chemical bonding, at atom's orbitals,at Coulomb's law, that even if one of these would change by most minuscule amount not only the process of DNA replication but our entire universe would collapse and then try to tell me that it doesn't make you wonder, how in the world did this happen by luck? Studying science and nonpretentious reason has only strengthened my faith. If you dont agree fine, but don't phrase your posts so carelessly
letatio 1 year ago
@letatio
okay then, every particle must have its own angel.
i might have been too hasty in constructing my randomness argument though... someone in this thread mentioned randomness is used to explain the unexplainable, which i somewhat agree with. i agree that nature functions with cause and effect up to the point of the big bang... despite this admission of my part, whatever was before the big bang is a total unknown to humanity and for that reason alone i am a theological noncognitivist.
haudace 1 year ago
@haudace Nothing random in the whole process.
seanmPWH 1 year ago
@seanmPWH no the entire process is initiated randomly. All those proteinss you see up there just float around at ridiculously high speeds within the nucleus until they hit each other up by chance and synthesize the DNA replication complex.. Think of it like this - there's a bullet coming at you. What are your odds of hitting the guy with a single bullet of a pistol. Not very high right? But what if you had a machine gun that shot 20000 rounds/second- by "chance" you'll definitly hit it.
noobmelody 1 year ago
@haudace
Haha you probably havent finished your high school, stop talking about what you know nothing about.
I am starting a Ph.D. next summer and this can not be the result of random collisions.
jb0433628 1 year ago
@jb0433628
Whatever.
haudace 1 year ago
@jb0433628 the fact that you are starting a Ph.D. proves that you are the unquestionable voice of truth when it comes to this. its called emergence. order randomly arising from disorder, primarily because of the chemical traits at the molecular level. you ever notice the unique shapes of snowflakes? that is due to the interactions at the molecular level that make the appearance that it is "designed" when it is, in reality, a question that any high school freshman in chemistry could answer.
sithisaak 1 year ago
@jb0433628 just because you dont understand how it happens does not mean its random, or that god did it. it means you dont understand, and rather than try and find out, you resort to the pathetic cop-out "god did it". honestly, you are pathetic
sithisaak 1 year ago
@sithisaak
Haha I think you have missed the point here. Seems like most people are not able to understand how complex the process described here is, and how impossible it is to pop it out of nowhere.
jb0433628 1 year ago
@jb0433628 the point is that it didnt "pop out of nowhere"... it slowly manifested itself over billions of years... We can see evolution on the microscopic scale within our lifetimes with, for instance, the existence of antibiotic resistant bacteria, or bacteria around hot springs (we have to use bacteria to see it because their lifecycle is so short that its possible to see evolution (around 20 minutes). There is so much evidence for evolution! Wake up and see it...
brainboxj 11 months ago
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@jb0433628 the point is that it didnt "pop out of nowhere"... it slowly manifested itself over billions of years... We can see evolution on the microscopic scale within our lifetimes with, for instance, the existence of antibiotic resistant bacteria, or bacteria around hot springs (we have to use bacteria to see it because their lifecycle is so short that its possible to see evolution (around 20 minutes). There is so much evidence for evolution! Wake up and see it...
brainboxj 11 months ago
@haudace I would like to hear about science today. I would not like to hear YouTube atheists masturbating. You're doing it right in my ear.
LokiClock 9 months ago
@haudace What? People are thinking these processes occur by means of magic or intelligent design? It took years (billions) for these chemical reactions to replicate themselves to animals (animals as small as plankton or as big as elephants). The chemistry in this is obvious to me.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded
I am thinking you're preaching to the choir this time around. Maybe you misread my posts?
haudace 7 months ago
@haudace Your post showed me that you did not understand all the possibilities that other great minds have thought of as well, so I was offering a few to consider.
quitejaded 7 months ago
@quitejaded
Please, elaborate on those "great" possibilities I should consider. But keep in mind that I have been trained to not take everything at face value. You have to give me grounds to consider anything you say. Right now, you have intrigued me with the possibility of you granting me your non fictitious knowledge.
haudace 7 months ago
@haudace "fingers" that open and close,ratchets that lock into place,and feet that move along tracks and you should understand what Im talking about if you know anything about biology and molecular machines. This goes beyond anything you just said.
pureebreeze 7 months ago
if god is so all-knowing and powerful, why did he use the energy wasteful process of using DNA primase instead of allowing polymerase (with its proofreading capability) to place the primers itself? RNA primers are energy wasteful and have a high rate of error..
yeah, right..god...
mknawabi 2 years ago
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It worked for HIM you are here, right?
rbosre 2 years ago
if god mad us in his image(im not religious at all) then surely he is just as prone to mistakes as we are!!!
zenithar6666 2 years ago
c'mon!!!
i´m not a religious one,,,
but c all these as something "perfectible" is so stupid and arrogant,,, of course that´s not ur case right ...
MagiaLoquendo 1 year ago
MIND == BLOWN
NuVanDibe 2 years ago 3
This it´s the reason why sometimes scientists become religious, OMFG
MagiaLoquendo 2 years ago 2
yes and of course it was all an accident?
zenithar6666 2 years ago
just the simple formation of isomers takes high temperature and pressure...
here we're referring to highly complex, uninterrupted, ORDERED molecules.
Can you imagine what sort of energy it must take to make these?
billions of years of cyclical exposure to gravity and sunlight (and all other sorts of radiation) refining and refining matter...
the giant clockwork of the spheres all around us finally make... us.
SSS
SixthtySixthSix 2 years ago
...we are, then a sort of mirror image of the physical universe around us...
SixthtySixthSix 2 years ago
Oh and the whole process is coiling DNA that is ahead, there is topoisomerase travels right in front of replication fork to uncoil the DNA.
igoreka 3 years ago
you can still see Okazaki fragments, the narrator didnt mention it though.
you can also see for a brief second RNA polymerase going in and out and b-clamp (circle-looking enzyme swimming close by) that feeds strand to DNA polymerase III.
But this does not show degradation by DNA polymerase I of RNA primer that was placed by RNA polymerase, as well as sealing of nicks by DNA lygase. And that should happen right after the synthesis.
igoreka 3 years ago 2
really informative..but not detail enough..in the replication part the enzymes,okazaki fragments, and many other things should be mentioned..anyway tq so much 4 uploading this vid! cool!
bioenzyme89 3 years ago
Somehow someway.... Some Christians would say that all of this is a lie...... sigh....
aaronchelsea1987 3 years ago
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Why would they? All of His creations testify for His grandeur! You are telling me this is all chance? Would you believe that some scraps of metal blown by wind over the years would create an airplane? I'm a biology major, and the more I study, the more I marvel at God's magnificence.
lemonsuave 2 years ago
lemonsuave -
You are a classic example of someone that completely misunderstands evolution by natural selection.There was no "wind that magically constructed an airplane." Life is a process that happens over hundreds of millions of years.
Our brains have evolved enough that we create tool/objects for a purpose. Therefore when we see things that are so intricate and seemingly flawless in design it is only natural that we assume that something of higher intelligence "designed" it.
petestrat07 2 years ago
if life evolves slowly over millions of years then please explain the sheer profusion of stasis that has been observed within the strata of the earth, as darwin and even dawkins admit!!
why then also have we evolved far beyond simple need to survive and reproduce.
zenithar6666 2 years ago
please don't ever compare dawkins and darwin... that's absurd
GPenn09 2 years ago
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The most efficient information storage technology possible. Praise almighty God.
hjeremy2222 4 years ago
no thank you
urantivirus 3 years ago 4
It's not all that efficient. All the junk dna, all the crap that just sits there causing congenital defects.
Only a psychopath would praise someone for bringing misery.
thkaal 3 years ago
Actually they are discovering that it might not be junk after all.
hannahsjf 2 years ago 2
It's not all that efficient. All the junk dna, all the crap that just sits there causing congenital defects.
Only a psychopath would praise someone for bringing misery.
thkaal 3 years ago
better than anything we've come up with
theswans0ng 3 years ago
Yeah, it's a lot cooler than made up fairy stories isn't it?
agenttachyon 3 years ago 6
read a book!
m0129731 2 years ago 2
no moron, only a psychopath would say that all these amazing things happening in our cells right now are just pure coincidence and a product of mere chance. if you belive that then you truly are a psychopath. humans and all of life is marvelously designed. junk dna? how long is it since you've read a biology book?
urbanguru 2 years ago
Physical laws, huge periods of time and chance are very powerful creative tools. What is wrong with believing in chance and still understanding marvelous beauty???
GPenn09 2 years ago 3
three is a difference between beauty and order, and within the universe all is order!!
zenithar6666 2 years ago
all is not order. In the larger scheme of things all is chaos. If you ever find proof of this universal order please show me... only after you understand the definition of order though. Study entropy or something... You are basically contradicting yourself in every other statement saying you aren't religious but claiming universal order... saying biology doesn't make sense... it isn't an accident. You sound ignorant and religious to me... sorry for the redundancy
GPenn09 2 years ago
Alhamdulillah...praise be to God.
muhajidin 3 years ago
This clip is awsome!
ilyvonne 4 years ago 5