Added: 3 years ago
From: seansymons
Views: 11,695
Sort by time | Sort by thread (beta)

Link to this comment:

Share to:
see all

All Comments (293)

Sign In or Sign Up now to post a comment!
  • :( 

  • Actually it would be better for your family (whether they know it or not) if you stayed healthy! yeah that's insane to go back to garbage.

  • Don't give up. Your family saying they are used to you being heavier and on a meat eating diet is like saying they are used to you having cancer so stop being well and get cancer again.

  • your family needs to accept you and your change. I deal with this every family get together that I've lost weight but this is coming from over weight unhealthy people. Every person thinks chubby and thick is healthy... its not. There's a difference between "thin" and "fit"

    ... thin is under eating and no exercise... fit is healthy well balanced meals and daily exercise. Whether it be walking, running,yoga, weight lifting and many other forms..

  • It's a damn shame that you let people talk you out of your switch. Aside from the fear of a weak back (which there are exercises for) you seemed to have positive feelings towards the positive changes. Follow your inner voice.

  • honestly you look great. i think you shouldnt let anybody let you change what you want to do. no one can make you do anything. trust me, you look healthy and great.

  • so true for both.need a back bone dude. stick to your guns!

  • Plz tell me you don't eat animals that you feed dogfood?! Damn some human beings have a sick outlook on life and health.

    You are a grown man, shed the excuses along with the pounds! You will find that with the things in life that really matter, you always have to stand alone, to be alone, to be completely independent. Those who need groups are always wrong, always.

    I have a feeling you are being facetious and sarcastic though.

  • i don't get it. u don't look bad at all! in fact, u look great! i was expecting some pale sickly person who was doing vegan the wrong way. i think its the concept of veganism that ur family is struggling with....not so much the acual diet. my dad is the same way. i tell him to look up the diet and he refuses to. scolds me but refuses to educate himself on it. they r afraid of change sir. i'm sorry....

  • I do yoga every day 200 pushups then run 1 hour in intervals. I have been a raw vegetarian 36 years. U look good. Keep it up.don't listen to your detractors.trust me when the smoke clears only you will be left standing.be well

  • You look awesome! Don't listen to others if you are happy. Be yourself and what you believe in. They should accept you for trying to be the best you you can be. I say stick to being a vegetarian.

  • im having the same problem with my boyfriend of a 11 yr relationship, he thinks im loosing to much wieght cause every woman he had b4 me was obese and thats what he like. although he is the best man that ive had, i am a diabetic, and im doing this for my health, i told him either he supports me on this or he can go find him a woman that doesent care about her health and i mean it , my health is more important,and this is the first time inmy life that im loving me for who I am, bottom line!

  • @anita4168 Most people are to fat.

  • why do you stress yourself out with the vegan/vegetarian issue dude? There's no need to be 100% vegan 24/7 (while being so would be ideal). Drastically cutting down on the animals and their defecations you eat will def make a difference. I repeat, please do not stress yourself out. Think with your heart. You want to eat animal products? Do so, but in extreme moderaton. Im vegan myself by the way.

  • Vegans should not be allowed to have children. It is mental illness in the form of a diet.

  • I think you look fantastic Sean! People want you fat? Furiouskitten44 is right. Family members that are not supportive of you lifestyle change, should ask themselves why. Maybe if you were obesce and sitting on a couch in front of the TV, you would be acceptable.People think when you make a major change, you are drifting away from them.It is about their insecurity and inability to change with you or their desire to stay firmly within their comfort zone.They are creating the rift...not YOU!!!!

  • most people who eat meat do not get enough vegetables and fruits in their daily diet, and vegans supposedly dont get enough protien. hypocrits -.-

  • @victoriaroseh

    Are you trying to make a joke or do you really think vegans do not get enough * protien*

  • @MrLotsaGreen im saying that so many people tell others not to be vegan because they THINK we dont get enough protien. we do, and if they want to say that, they should look at themselves because 3/4 of people who eat meat really dont get enough veggies

  • DUDE!!!! REACH IN YOUR PANTS AND MAKE SURE YOUR BALLS ARE THERE!!!! GET A BACKBONE TOO!!!! SINCE WHEN DO YOU CATER TO WHAT OTHERS THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK LIKE?!!!!! TYPE IN VEGAN BODYBUILDING ON YOUTUBE AND YOU'LL SEE MANY EXAMPLES OF HEALTHY MUSCLE!!!! NOT THE CHOLESTEROL LADEN SHMUCKS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY SUFFER FROM THEIR EATING HABITS!!!

  • Birds of a feather... Energy Levels of a feather.. flock 2gether... its called CRABS IN A BUCKET

  • A lot of people start vegan, and really like it, but unfortunately they may be the only one around, or treated badly by their friends, or may even loose friends because of their own choices. It happens, but don't give up.

  • People don't have to affect you. Family members are individuals, too. Follow your instinct. You've got to learn to be creative to be vegan/vegetarian. And you don't have to stay in the closet about it.

  • please tell me how long did you go vegan for and did you ever feel tired doing it?

  • Just stop talking so much and just "BE" and "Do" what you want to be happy.

  • obviously going to lose weight if your not eating protein

  • I think you're tripping.If someone cares about you, they would want you to be healthy and do what's right for you. For you to change your life and life style for someone that isn't harming them or anyone else is not a bright decision at all. If you care so much about your family, why would you change? you're happier, healthier accomplishing something you want, this positive energy spreads. you're looking too thin, and need meat?!?!?! get real.

  • I've had a vegan diet for the past 3 months and I jog at least 25 miles a week. But, I'm single and I don't have family pressure. At least you tried veganism. Thats a more than I can say for a lot of people. I have lost weight, but it was healthy weight loss. I've reached and maintained my ideal weight for the past 2 months. I'm 5'11" 200lbs. I eat a lot of air poped popcorn and almond butter over ryvita crackers. I'm constantly eating almonds and I never feel weak....never. Best wishes !

  • Veering from Veganism or raw food because your family is used to you looking or being heavier is crazy. If something is good for you, stick with it. Many people obstruct others who are making constructive life chages because your positive self discipline causes them to feel uncomfortable.

  • @mrtruthforever SO TRUE!!

  • Well, you have a lot less to worry about regarding your back going out if you've lost weight. Note as well that it is virtually impossible to "throw your back" if you lift properly. Damaging your back is caused a strange maneuver such as twisting while standing up with a load, or lifting "with your back". The key is to keep the load on your muscles & away from your back - a great way to do this is to strengthen your core (your abdomen).

  • Hiya, your clip is very thought-provoking and inspiring. Have you seen Markus Rothkranz' clip for his raw vegan bodybuilding video? It's very good. Also, it seems, from listening to what you say on your clip, that pidgoen-holing yourself can be good or bad and it sounds like a lot of people have been finding faults with the way you now want to be. Please just be careful of people advising in their own self-interest because your astounding results are making them feel inadequate or insecure.x

  • Dont let tyhem scare you into living their life-style, you are doing the right thing. Make sure you have vegetarian a replacement for the meat you used to eat. I changed over to being a non-meat eater. You will benefit spiritually as well for the change. You are a grown man, you can make the decision, if you act unsure about it then it will undermine you and your family will encourage you all the more to go back to meat. God bless. See my blog theyuha.blogspot.com

  • I think u should do whatever is best for u. It's really sad that ur family is not supporting u and ur new lifestyle. If vegan is what u want to do and its best for u then stick to it. U look great to me. :-)

  • you still hav e weight on you honey...

  • How much of the weight you've lost is fat and how much is muscle?

  • If you lose weight after switching to a vegetarian or vegan diet you will lose the muscle that was built up to deal with hefting your extra weight around because it's not needed anymore

  • @StevenBee2 That makes no sense at all. BTW, I switched to a diet that contained more protein, including meat and I lost weight. I know for a fact that I also gained muscle in the process without changing my exercise routine at all. The only explanation is that the weight I lost was excess body fat, pure an simple. My point is that without proper measurements, weight loss is meaningless. My cholesterol also went down as did my blood pressure and resting heart rate.

  • @MrMZaccone Congratulations on your change - I'm glad to hear of the positive health effects this has had on you. I am not in any way putting down vegetarianism, just stating what is scientifically true. The fact remains that it takes musle to move fat. As an example, all else being equal, a 250 lbs man will have much more developed leg muscles than a man who is 150 lbs because the heavier person must exert more muscular energy to perform the same actions.

  • @StevenBee2 That depends on among other things, what sort of exercise regimen each has undergone. A 150 pound athlete can have much more developed leg muscles than a 250 pound couch potato. You're making assumptions not in evidence.

  • @MrMZaccone Absolutely. But when I said "all things being equal" I meant amount of exercise as well. Losing fat weight alone, with no other factors considered, will cause you to lose muscle as well, though this is in no way detrimental or unhealthy. My post is not even really relevant to anything anyway... I just felt like pointing it out in passing. In reality, someone is likely to become more active after losing weight, making up for the "lost" muscle & then some.

  • If your spouse doesn't want to support a healthy lifestyle change..well..go riddance to bad rubbish. My husband, while he's not going vegan, supports me.

  • Look at all the tasty treats you have ......YUM

  • This is so sad. My family don't support my veganism but I don't let it bother me because they don't know the things I know, just as I didn't at one point. Do more research and try to share what you find with them. I believe the health of your own body, the environment and animal welfare are far more important that anyone's unjustified unresearched opinions. Stay true to yourself.

  • Hey dude, thanks for sharing this with us all. I am vegetarian going fully vegan next year, people are starting to comment about how I look. Funny thing is I have actually gained weight on the vegetarian diet haha but my face looks thinner.

    Keep on your path

  • a family that doesnt want to take your choices into consideration. It's sad. That's how I see it anyway. I hope you continue to lose excess fat through your vegan diet and take on an active healthy lifestyle.

  • I am so sorry for you, i went through and at times still go through the same things I have been vegetarian for 14 years and my family was not supportive and mad many comments over the years i had 2 deaths in my family now they want to admit there are things you can do in your diet.. i hope u find peace with your family but if you don't ....... remember you have to do you and sometime families are NOT supportive...

  • lol my family tells me im gonna die for being vegetarian, my mom always tells me want some fish, i say bitch how many times do i have to tell you i dont eat meat, not the bitch part. i dont tell any1 i dont eat eat never, my family found out because i never ate meat

  • Sean... are you not vegan anymore? I saw a video of you making eggs for breakfast... what happened? :( :( :(

  • @porolita22 I am eating 95% vegetables .... and will try vegan soon... (money issues now)

  • @seansymons veganism is actually cheaper. Beans are cheap. Greens are cheap. You're probably shopping at chain stores.. Small markets practically give the veggies away. Usually 1 or 2 bucks gets you whatever.

  • @seansymons I may have a solution for you. The vegetarian diet is healthy if balanced properly, but it isn't the only or best healthy diet. Look up the original Vegan diet. It is mostly vegetarian with supplemental eggs and dairy. (Organic goat and sheep milk cheeses and yogurt are best)

    Another option is something similar to the Japanese diet. Mostly vegetarian but fish a couple times a week. There is a reason Japan has the longest life expectancy. (I cook the fish)

  • How are you putting a rift in your family? Because you are discovering yourself and expressing yourself? Ignorance is everyone's worst enemy. If they are afraid of you hurting yourself, do more research.

    There are more and more athletes who are becoming vegan. In some countries, when you become an athlete you become vegan since, if done right, you get more energy. If you are worried about your back, do exercises, you would have needed to do them before anyway. Vegans are just as strong.

  • @AdrianHawryluk Beautifully said....

  • My family is like that too :(

  • If you want to be vegan, be vegan. just buy other food for your family, or cook other food(meat) if they are over. Then they wont have an issue.

  • you don't need to be eating meat! Have you heard of fake meat and a crazy amount of alternatives? This is ridiculous. AND meat does not give you muscle. You just need to research. All being vegan means is that you don't eat anything that comes from an animal.

  • "vegetarian" and "vegan" are just titles. what you really are is a man who has made a conscious decision to eat fruit, veggies, grains, nuts and seeds--period. weather you decide to put a label on this lifestyle such as "vegan" is entirely up to you.

  • go to a nutritionist and plan a good healthy vegan "diet"

    besides... i believe you are already old enough for sayung "thank you for your concern but I am the one who decides what goes down my throat"

    or something like that

  • @Nanis264 Maybe he can encourage his family to go vegan as well. Then they hopefully won't critisize him on his fabulous weight loss. Then his family will also change their mindsets and they can encourage each other for doing so well on a vegan diet and keep being vegans.

  • just go to a nutritionist and plan a good healthy vegan diet. that way you'll be healthy and still earth and animal friendly

  • Step up and be a leader... Quit being so concerned about what others think. You're better than this video.

  • @truthbeeeetold love this! so true!

  • is there a follow up video to this one? I think its needed if not...

  • DUDE!!! wtf? this is YOUR LIFE, yes you are part of their lives and vise versa but you need to live for YOU!!! if they don't love you for that then what the fuck man??? are they just mad cause now your looking better and they are possibly still over weight?

  •  Try yoga if you want to stay strong with few risks to your health. And I agree with not labeling yourself as vegan and vegetarian, it will be easier on others who are threatened by your change

  • don't stop eating vegan! you have experienced how healthy it is. You family is just scared of change. They got used to you the way you looked before. People get in little comfort bubbles and don't like change. If eating a better diet is all it takes to drive a big wedge between you and your family, then something is very wrong which needs work and has nothing to do with your diet. You are not too thin. You are not loosing muscle. You are probably gaining it slowly. drink protein shakes.

  • i appreciate your vid on this! just be happy and do what makes you feel healthy and happy. eat and let eat.

  • I completley understand how it is when you live around other people and they don't understand. My sister doesn't understand really, because she's always making comments about my raw foodism and how dumb it is.

    *HUgs you* I'm sorry people are being like this. You know if I were you I would make a stand. Becasue meat, even though I love it when it's bloody and juciy and rare, but it isn't good for you. Also, vegans don't get enough protein. Try powders. : )

  • i know any people who are thin and eat loads of meat, but its whats inside, your only loosing the bad saturated fat, your body will adapt, like me i ate nearly nothing for the first 6 months after been vegan poorly because i have been raised to only know what my parents taught me, i had to start and learn all over again, any still vegan, back to my weight i was a year ago , no pains stronger, and feel cleaner inside, meat is an adiction, the problem is now i feel mad that others dont follow

  • the family are trying to put you off people get scared when you change or they dont like it. dont do it remember how bad you felt .when you ate meat.

  • Quinoa will give you protein but I eat that cooked.

  • Why not go to the doctor and have some lab work done get the numbers for your protein albumin, triglycerides, HDL, LDL cholesterol. If this diet change is working for you and your family wants to argue this get the facts and state your case. Some people do not change in any way and you make it sound like they (FAM) are offend by the word vegan. Some people who cannot handle change may be more about themselves; they sound intimidated by it .

  • yea yea yea...

  • You probably have a lot of toxic mold still in you, which you have to "scour" off with foods rich in natural Sulfur & Chlorophyll. All the spices rich in Sulfur, like Coriander powder, Ginger powder, Mustard powder, Cayenne, Hot Flakes, Black Pepper, etc. to use with your Veggy Proteins, with lots of Green Salads.

  • I have been vegan for about 2 months and vegetarian almost two years and I gained weight. I exercise frequently and I have always had a ridiculously fast metabolism but i'm still kinda slim. I think you have to find foods that work for your body, eat more nuts, tempeh. Idk if your raw but that may play a factor also. Maybe the size you are now is what you are supposed to be. I'm not one of those radical judgmental vegans do what is best for you and your family. Best wishes!!

  • I understand .. way to difficult with family involved .. you did the right thing by putting your family first and it's very reasonable to instead add nutritious foods to your diet.

    You may not have pleased extremist vegans, but you sure have pleased your wife and children :)

    Good daddy !

  • @picklesloveslight

    I think that's not right. Why do you say he should put his family first, when they should do it as well. A vegan daddy would live longer and be a good compassionate role model.

  • Learn and stop acting like a loser. You can be vegan. Regards.

  • Dude you look totally norm to me but this is my 1st time seeing you so that's prolly why. Do what you feel is right for you aslong as you're healthy n feel good then should be fine! IF you family really loves you they would respect that?

  • I didn't understand your being scared to lift weights. Is your back already bad? If so, do stretching to strengthen your back before you get into weights.

    If you do weight training or other heavy physical activity, just make sure to cover the basics: drink lots of water, intake lots of protein, get lots of sleep. Muscle tissue is repaired as you sleep, so don't miss any of the essentials.

    I eat tasty burgers made from lentils and vegetables -- 18 grams of protein per two burgers. Om-nom-nom!

  • It's unfortunate that you're having such a hard time with your choice. I recommend you watch the video at: v=U6_hjA4cdjM

    It's the single most effective video I've seen for explaining the benefits of veganism. Show it to people! :-)

    I think you should give your birds a larger area, though it's still a hell of a lot better than factory-farm conditions.

    If you don't want to lose weight, simply intake more calories. I recommend lots of nuts, olive oil, hemp seed oil and flaxseed oil.

  • I'm really sorry your loved ones are pushing you to please them. I would really encourage you to keep up what you think is right/best, and let them deal with it. Hopefully they will come around and see the many benefits of veganism/vegeterianism (most importantly to the enslaved and slaughtered sentient beings, but also to your health and the environment).

  • If you really feel better and you are getting your correct amount of calories per day, then keep doing what you're doing, If your family is worried about you then get some blood work done to help them feel better about it. I'm eating mostly veggies right now and I feel so much better. I don't care if I get to the point they think I'm too thin because as long as I'm healthy and not hurting them then it's my choice. My hubby's family thinks you have to be 20lbs over weight to "look right".

  • You should not start eating meat just because they said that. Stand for your own beliefs and speak your mind. You look normal and healthy to me. Meat is murder! You have my support to continue veganism or vegeterianism.

  • Every one laughs at me for not eating meat but I dont care. By eating vegan I'm not harming any one including the people who make fun of me. I can feel how good it is for my body and mind and thats plenty good enough for me. Let them have their fun. :-)

  • I wouldn't change my veganism for ANYONE. If you can't accept someone for who they are, you're not worth knowing.

    I have no problems with weight or family but a couple of my friends had a go at me when I first became vegan and I've not spoken to them since.

  • I have been a Vegan for 16 years and a vegetarian for my whole life. My father and mother are also vegetarians. We are all slender but very strong. My mother is 84 and still teaches dance. I am 53 and can cycle most cylclists into the ground. I heard all the same bull shit about this diet when I went on it, but I have only gotten healthier and stronger over the years on The Vegan diet.. Even my doctor says I am doing great. So don't give up. Set an example for others and ignor their ..

  • why does he have a mouth on his forehead?

  • @omniexistus That's the one for meat eating, not the other one. That's safer for the animals :)

  • Welcome to reality!

    A reminder on logical fallacies: are you sure that most meat eating people are not healthy? Do your research first.

  • Hmm... I'm vegan for 6 months and I haven't lost any weight at all. DAMN YOU VEGAN BAKERY! YOU TOO SOY ICECREAM FACTORY!

  • bill, stick to your beliefs and your family will respect you for it. they might throw tantrums, but if you waiver, they'll not respect you. i'm not clear, are you saying that you will now start eating meat again because of muscle size and lack of exercise? i think you have to revisit your priorities. plz google images of non-meat eating bodybuilders. factory farming has brought you to the state your in. they have made it very difficult to eat clean.

  • also, regarding your bad back fear, you have to make a decision at your age, are you going to grow old and unhealthy or old and healthy. check out Mimi Kirk here in youtube. it can be done. about your back, you need to do static training for your core. this means instead of repitions, find a weight or resistance level that you can hold in one place for no longer than 20 sec's. if you can hold it past 20 sec's then increase the weight/resistance. do this for just 10 mins a day

  • also when doing the static training (holding the position, instead of repitions) think about the muscle connection points and all the little helper muscles. DON'T GIVE IN TO THE PRESSURE!!! when i quit meat, my son (at 16) used to ride his bike to the store and buy it himself. they gave me hell, i know it's hard but the meat industry has such a hold on our food system, you have to make effort to do the right thing.

  • This guy is a CRETIN!

  • Is he saying he has sgtarted eating meat again? Because if that is so it has to be the most hypocrite vlog ever! He satrts by showing us birds who are socializing, breathing and eating and then he says he is going back to eat them? Maybe not those particular ones, but he is eating creatures with the same organs which we have and those birds at the beginning of the video have. And what does this have to with vegetarianism that you eat unhealthy? I've been a vegetarian for five years now and

  • I haven't seen a doctor in those five years. It's not an hot dog a day that keeps the doctor away!! Just because you don't know anything about nutrition doesn't mean all vegetarians have the same problem :) People need to have critique in autority. They need to have a critical mind because other wise they will be a bunch of ignorant loses and it's so not cool :)

  • @famousmermaid whats wrong with eating chicken? and steak?

  • @Markofitch - Is that even a question? You disgust me.. Whats wrong with eating humans? Because they look like you, have the same skin colour as you and skin type and walk on four legs like you and speak the same language like you? Racism has its root in ignorance and arrogance..

  • @famousmermaid mmm didnt say humans unless you consider yourself a chicken.....

  • @Markofitch I'm not a racist so meat is meat to me. if I get to eat animals. I can eat humans too. And either you are religious or you believe in darwinism and if you do believe in evolution you're a cannibal since that portays you as an animal and you just asked me: whats wrong with eating an animal?

  • @famousmermaid well first off you are assuming stuff about me when you dont even know me, and you are putting lots of thing in the same sac....humans are animals but different kind, those who can think , chickens is not my same species, therefore i eat them , cannibal no cannibal means: The act or practice of eating human flesh by mankind. so no i dont eat my mankind.... i think the ignorant is someone else...

  • @famousmermaid i f you are trying to prove a point at least make it accurate, and disrespecting others only make me think you dont have valid points which is why you get so deffensive...

  • @Markofitch You are the wrong person to speak about disrespecting others. Do you disrespect a mass murderer? I do. So of course I will never respect a person who kills for pleasure. You know it's funny.. if humans were meant to eat meat I must be a sexy zombie. ;)

  • @famousmermaid who are you to say i am wrong ?, putting words in my mouth....i said ignorant....i dont disrespect, that is my way of living, if i knew a mass murdered ill try to help him as much as i can, not disrespect him, even if i get killed.... y? because he probably feels neglected by people like you who do....and i dunno about sexy......

  • @Markofitch Are you kidding me? No one would ever befriend a Judas. Just like we always say animals are friends we are bunch of Judas. You should treat others the way you want to be treated yes.. So yeah.. when all the animals are gone two things can happen. The entire world goes vegetarian (and then we cal them hypocrites for mocking us) OR cannibalism becomes the new trend. And then when they come for you I will ask you: Whats wrong with eating a human?

  • @famousmermaid i think not eating meat is makin you hallucinate stuff... animals wont be gone...get a life....make more sense please ... anyways lunch is waiting....chicken salad ... yum and about fabilous maybe, Not... I am not fan of them anyways...

  • @Markofitch Nope.. not just sexy. Fabilous. ;) Just like Alicia Silverstone is.. Natalie Portman and Pamela Anderson. ;) ;) They're veggies too.

  • @famousmermaid and i really dont give a damn if i disgust you, racism? u mean discrimination? if you care so much about being vegan, the maybe you should stop critizising others, and enlight them with your incredible idea of being vegan. , well yeah you are actually behaving like an animal....by not thinking i ll eat you in a heartbeat...;)

  • To Virginityrocks: Get real -- veganism rocks, virginity sucks.

  • take your dick out and smack your family with it you fucking pussy. Your family is a bunch of selfish fucks. Stand up for yourself because you're a man so start acting like it. Also your small upper bodied pussy, Buy some VEGA supplement it was invented by a vegan triathlon runner and will make your arms bigger than your wife's MUFFIN TOP. Peace

  • How is raw not for everyone? Raw food grows on this planet for consumption...eat it!

  • Animals are also raw, and grow on this planet... some might say, for consumption. What's your point?

  • I'm sorry but I don't understand what you don't get about my point. And animals aren't raw unless you hunt your own free range meat and eat it right then and there. Raw means unaltered and ALL meat you buy is altered including organic.

    My point was already stated, eat raw foods such as fruits, vegetables, grains, etc. it's healthier! Mother nature has provided you with raw materials...why alter it and why kill an innocent animal? Would you eat your pet?

  • Because some people like myself don't live in California. We live in a place called North of 60 where farms cannot exist because of a lack of sunlight and cold. People here eat animals for sustenance.

    As a matter of fact, the vegan minority here attempted to start a "eat local" campaign with a 2 by 8 plot of soil in front of the Women's Shelter this summer. Guess how many vegetables sprouted? None. Not a simple one.

  • Well there are many people that do consume raw meat. Not ALL meat someone buys is altered.

    And many people in different countries eat their pets. It's "against the law" in the US to kill a pet...

  • well that's a news flash

  • if all there was to eat were other humans then that is what you would eat to just eek by in life. If you want to thrive then move somewhere that has light so you don't have to drink fortified milk to get your vitamin D and eat more plant-based products.

  • Yes, because life is that simple. Buddy, if everyone could live wherever they thought was best, we'd all live in Hawaii or Bora Bora.

  • Just because you can't or won't move to somewhere that has fruits and vegetables doesn't denote the fact that they are more healthy. Obviously in your case you HAVE to eat meat to survive and I have nothing against that at all. If it means survival I would do the same! I live in Canada, not California but we still have plenty of fruits and veggies and so I guess I'm just lucky and don't need meat.

  • If you actually can choose not to eat a particular food, you're a wealthy person. There are billions of people in the world who don't have the luxury of choice. There is more hypocrisy in the vegan community than any other social movement I've ever read about. Biodegradables are good, cutting down trees is bad - All natural is good, fur clothing is bad - "Farms take up too much space", "chickens cages are too small" - Exploitation of animals bad, exploitation of foreign farmers good...

  • I don't eat meat because it's too expensive AND unhealthy. Eating meat, atleast in North America and most of the world, is a social status of wealth. Now I don't get what your point is anymore. Meat costs much more than fruits and vegetables! Your comment about me being wealthy is like me saying that because you have a computer to message me back means that you're wealthy and lucky to be able to state your opinion. I can see that this conversation is becoming irrational and useless, good day :D

  • you can weed out a lot of "opinions" by doing your research and using your own common sense. you think there are a lot of people in the world with no choice, what do you think will change that? its called paradigm shifting. this starts in ppl's minds with thoughts that create action and so on. i would love to debate this with you, especially if you are a religious person.

  • well said, thankyou for that.

  • you go man, eat your animals raw.

  • i agree with others that 100 per cent raw is notfor everybody but u should let no one stop u from being vegan .now if u r losing weight still do something about it many vegan choices ...take care now ...

  • Well social pressure is common. I meet one young lady who is a raw chef and she said her mother never used the words raw or vegetarian or vegan but her mother never ate animal products or byproducts nor did her mother eat anything cooked. Perhaps that is what you need to do.

  • lol..ur not allowed to be vegan anymore ..bc it put a rift between u and ur family..ur not a true vegan then ..NONE of my family supports me..my friends dont either ..but tht didnt stop me ..its called man up ...and dont let other ppl's opinion of u bother u..do what u want

  • don,t let other people manipulate you if you want to be vegan do it. be yourself you don,t need to prove anybody

  • i think it's great that you no longer label yourself. It's cool that you're just gonna switch to a healthier way eating and that's what it's really all about. 100% raw is NOT for everybody, 100% is not for everybody , just follow you own path. people should just produce a dietary change that fits their lifestyle. Good luck

  • you can still be vegan without being raw.

    U dont have to say anything to anyone. Vegan foods have more variety than raw foods. i m married, and my vegan lifestyle doesnt affect my husband who eats meat every day. I eat lots of great food and we are both happy.

  • mamas never want their little boys to lose weight. The extra weight is seen as protecting you, when you are thin you look vulnerable (or sexy to any woman other than your mom). This is my experience (I weigh 16.5 stone (or 231lbs(i think(i like brackets(yes i do)))))

  • There was NO indication he lost too much weight... In fact, the available evidence would lead one to reasonably conclude that he could be slightly leaner... Excluding meat for him would certainly NOT cause him to lose any muscle mass. He changed his exercise routine as he admitted and he is worried about losing muscle but trying to blame everything on his vegan attempt. Also he is blaming it on a rift between family when it is known to be healthy, this is a problem in itself...

  • Your turkeys have to live in a VERY TINY cage!

    I don't believe, that you wanted to live as a vegan.

    I decided to be vegan, because I don't want to kill animals.

    If you loose too much wight, you should eat more fatty things like olive oil and nuts.

    Don't eat meat. Meat is murder!

  • @natija08 hes not giving up on being vegan hes just not going to call himself vegan. also the turkeys should be in a small cage when they are not out in an enclosed area- they are fine. according to law and everything else meat is not murder. keep your opinions opinions please- state them NOT as fact. he seems to be a nice and healthy man. calm down with the caps and such.

  • @cowgodess

    Didn't he say, that he eats a "normal diet", which contains meat? In my opinion, he can avoid loosing weight by eating more fatty things and more bread and noodles.

    "According to law ... meat is not murder" you said. I know that. Everybody realizes that this is my OPINION - not the facts - except of you.

    I don't know this man personally, so I said something about the things I read and saw.

  • @natija08 oh woooooow check out how quickly you went to defensive. calm down firecracker- you wouldnt want to look like a crazy vegan would you? meat isnt murder you say? news to many!! he did in fact say "normal" diet- could mean, as i said, that he is just calling it that and continuing his vegan diet just to keep people off his back. let it be and let it go. dont be such a hateful person.

  • @cowgodess

    I did NOT say that meat IS'NT MURDER!. I said: I KNOW that according to law meat isn't murder.

    And I want to emphasize that in my opinion MEAT IS MURDER!

    You seem not to agree to this opinion.

    I never said that I hate this man!

  • @natija08 WHOOOOOA whoa now. no one said anyone hated anyone! i certainly never said you hated this wonderful man. of course i dont agree with your opinion- the law states otherwise and well, we all know what happens when you try to break the law... dont be so on the defensive- you are not being attacked! be calm and smile, no one hates anyone here.

  • @cowgodess

    Your answers are very aggressive, cowgodess. You said: "Calm down" or "calm down firecracker", "don't be such a hateful person" and again "calm down" in your answers. It would be more polite not to tell me what to do or not do do.

    In your opinion, it's not murder to kill animals so you eat meat I suppose.

    Do you support testing materials on animals, rodeo, bull fighting, animal races ...?

    Please watch the film "earthling". There you can see what humans do to animals.

  • @natija08 you are so quick to the defensive- and from the written word you cannot properly decide that im being aggressive just becuase im asking you to calm down and not be so quick to attack ME. i absolutely eat meat, and i dont even have to defend myself for that, i have seen earthlings- you think i lack research skills?? i dont support rodeos/ circuses, and THATS impolite to suggest would with no basis for it- judgmental. i support animal testing when its in regards to medical advancements.

  • @cowgodess

    You said that you watched the film earthlings, but you don't want to change your life.

    I can only say that this disturbs me.

    I believe that some day you will have to explain your decision.

  • @natija08 Meat is NOT murder, moron.

  • @Morethanenough1

    And again the same discussion.

    And don't call me "moron". It's not a good way to discuss a topic.

    If you eat meat, the animal was killed before, wasn't it? Killing a living being with intention is murder, isn't it?

    So I can say: Meat is murder!

  • @natija08: fuck off, and look at the definition of term "murder", vegan extremist, moron!

  • @RolfTingler

    Hast du mal wieder Langeweile und Lust auf's Provozieren?

    Wir sind verschiedener Meinung, das ist klar. Lassen wir es einfach dabei.

  • @natija08: halt mal die bälle flach. du provozierst doch ständig, indem du jedem deine extremmeinung reindrücken willst! wenn du das machst, ist es ok und jeder soll, wenn es nach dir ginge, deiner veganen religion angehören. ihr scheiß veganer nervt mit eurer missioniererei!

  • @RolfTingler

    Ich missioniere nicht, ich werbe und argumentiere.

    Ich beleidige nicht, sondern bin respektvoll.

    Wer andere beleidigen muss, hat von vornherein die schlechteren Argumente.

    Wir können gern Argumente austauschen, aber mit Niveau bitte und nicht unterste Schublade.

    "RolfTingler" - ist das dein neuer Kanal, ryckangeln?

  • @natija08: du argumentierst also und behandelst andere "repektvoll", indem du sie als "mörder" beleidigst? darf ich dich mal kurz auslachen?! jetzt machst du auf einmal einen auf rückzieher und sagst, dass du nur deine persönliche einstellung zeigen würdest, das klang ein paar beoträge zuvor noch viel verallgemeinender! apropos werbung: du weißt schon, dass werbung unverbindlich ist, oder? du hingegen hälst deinen standpunkt für mein befinden als zuverbindlich, das ist intolerant!

  • @ryckangeln

    Das Schlagwort "meat is murder" soll deutlich machen, dass Tiere Lebewesen mit dem Recht auf Leben sind.

    Ja, es ist wirklich kein sanftes Argument, sondern ein eher drastisches, das gebe ich zu.

    Die Differenz zwischen deinem und meinem Standpunkt ist genau dieser, dass ich den Tieren ein Recht zu leben zugestehe.

    Peace :)

  • @natija08: mein rolftingler-kanal ist eine sufflaune, werd den wohl im sande verlaufen lassen. zwei av-kanäle sind mir dann doch zu viel. und dass beleidigungen zwangsläufig mit schlechten argumenten zusammenhängt, ist auch unwahr - beleidigigungen deuten höchstens auf eine ungepflegte und aufgeladende gesprächskultur hin, trotzdem kann der unruhestifter gute argumente haben.

  • @ryckangeln

    Der Unruhestifter kann natürlich gute Argumente haben. Wäre doch gut, wenn er diese auch zeigen würde, oder?

    "Meat is murder" ist natürlich auch nur ein Schlagwort (ein Wort, das schlägt also?) - und auch kein richtiges Argument. Es soll dafür stehen, dass Tiere ein Recht zu leben haben.

    Ich sehe ein, dass verletzende Worte auch nicht immer hilfreich sind.

  • @natija08 Killing a HUMAN is murder. If you say meat is murder you are a moron.

  • @Morethanenough1

    No, sir.

    Look: I think that animals feel the same pain and fear as we do. So in my OPINION they have the right to live a save life without pain and fear until they die a natural death.

    You don't think so and off course it's your right to have a different opinion, but it's not your right to call me a moron, if I have another opinion than you have.

  • @natija08 ok, not a moron.

    -Animals dont feel the same pain or emotions as humans do.

    -Killing is not nessesarily cruel.

    -Some ppl cant survive without meat.

    -If you want to go vegan, great, but don't tell others they are "murderers" for choosing a different path.

    -If your all about others respecting your "opinion" and not calling names, maybe you should try it yourself.

  • @Morethanenough1

    Thank you, Morethanenough1.

    In my opinion animals do feel the same pain as humans do. Therefore I'm against killing animals.

    But you are right, it's not respectful to call someone a murderer.

  •  "Eine missionierende Religion ist eine Religion, die ihre Botschaft aktiv verbreitet. Sie glaubt sich berufen, Nichtgläubige und Andersgläubige zu überzeugen und sie in die betreffende Religion aufzunehmen. Diese Berufung basiert regelmäßig auf dem Anspruch der alleinigen Vertretung einer behaupteten universalen Wahrheit. Mission geschieht heute vorwiegend als Werbung ... Nach dem umfassendsten Definitionsansatz bedeutet Mission das Werben für einen Glauben." Wikipedia. Passt genau auf Dich!

  • @ryckangeln

    Ich denke, dass es legitim ist, für seine Überzeugungen einzutreten und zu werben.

  • @natija08: und wie morethanenouugh schon sagt: wenn du akzeptiert werden willst, dann lerne omnis auch zu akzeptieren. hochnäsig beharrt ihr veganer darauf, die welt bekehren zu müssen, weil ihr ja recht habt. darum ist mein missionierungsvorwurf auch völlig berechtigt. warum wehrst du dich also dagegen? du willst doch am liebsten die welt bekehren! nur wenn es leute gibt, die uns das fleischessen und jagen verbieten wollen, brauchst du dich über feindseligkeit nicht zu wundern.

  • @ryckangeln

    Jetzt mal ehrlich, ryckangeln, findest du, dass die Welt ein guter Ort für Tiere ist? Von Millionen von Menschen, die im Elend leben, ganz zu schweigen.

    Ich bin zutiefst überzeugt, dass wir SEHR VIEL ändern müssen. Wir befinden uns auf dem besten Weg in eine ökologische Katastrophe.

    Ich will dir nur ein Beispiel geben: Brasilien leidet bereits heute unter den Folgen der Regenwaldvernichtung. Und sie schreitet voran für Holzeinschlag, Anbau von Soja und Weiden von Rindern.

  • @natija08. ach quatsch, ich will gar nicht bestreiten, dass regenwald abgehlzt wird. aber du stellst natürlich die tierhaltung in den vordergrund. was ist mit möbeln aus trpenholz? genussmittelplantagen, von denen auch dein geliebter agent den kaffee bezieht? was ist mit den wasserfessenden und methanproduzierenden reisplantagen? baumwolle und tee? veganer stellen immer nur tierhaltung in den mittelpunkt und vernachlässigen meist alles andere!

  • @ryckangeln

    Möbel aus Tropenholz: Das geht gar nicht!

    Kaffee: nur bio und fair trade.

    Reis: nur bio und fair trade - und selten.

    Baumwolle: bio und fair trade. Auf gar keinen Fall genverändert von Monsanto!

    Tee: ebenfalls nur bio und fair trade.

    Durch die Mehrkosten kann ich mir eben andere Dinge nicht leisten. Aber ich will es nicht anders.

  • @ryckangeln - Teil 2 zum Thema "Bekehrung der Welt"

    Feindseligkeit ist also gar nicht angebracht.

    Du solltest vielleicht eher froh sein, über jeden Menschen, dem die Welt und die Lebewesen in ihr nicht am Arsch vorbei gehen.

  • @natija08. feindseligkeit ist solange angebracht, bis ihr endlich einseht und toleriert, dass fleischessen für andere legitim ist und die leute einfach in ruhe lasst. ist das so schwer zu verstehen?

  • @ryckangeln

    Ich sage es erneut: Ich halte Fleischessen für entbehrlich und zumindest die Massentierhaltung für nicht tolerierbar.

    Wenn man schon Tiere essen will, dann sollte man sie artgerecht (!) halten und mit größter Sorgfalt und Respekt töten.

    Nur in den seltensten Fällen geschieht das so.