I have nothing against jews and israelis, but I do dislike very much the Israeli government (MURDERERS). I just read "Mornings in Jenin" by Susan ABULHAWA. And this book just reminded me how many Jews surviving the Holocaust ended up torturing innocent Palestinians and deliberately threw them out of their own homes and land!!! Today they are trying to find "agreements" for these 2countries, but "Israel" belongs to the Palestinians! And another thing: Netanyahou is worst than "u know who": (H.).
They were going to bring humanitarian aid? How about the tons of food, medical supplies, etc., not to mention the electricity Israel provides for them? This had nothing to do with humanitarian aid, and if it did, they would have complied when Israel tried to radio them. Not to mention, what proof does this baboon have about a "definitive plan" Israel had? What about this indicates ISRAEL planned this?
It's debates like these that cause the war. And I don't want to be getting any comments saying "No it's the evil IDF that drinks baby blood", or "No, it's those animals from Gaza that relentlessly bomb Israel".
"Zionism means being able to be a Jew without harassment". nonesense. litterally. the harrasement you get when you are jew anti-zionist comes from zionisme itself. ask some anti-zionist orthodox jews in the U.S. but when i read this "Saying zionism is evil is really saying Jews are evil" i only come to the conclusion that you are spreading false information on purpose are you? and btw, conspiracy is usually followed by "theories" so id rather use something like campaign or even crusade.
Oh welcome back finders5 missed you so mutch. Your creativity's getting limited i suppose because you keep saying the same thing over and over again. Either that or your sources are low on info gathering. Good thing common sense never fades away though. Have fun in your foggy little world :D
@finders5 hhheh, thanks for your compliments; but for ur information; Morocco does help confidentially and enormously; and we contribute in all ways !!
@finders5 : as a muslim, i have read as i belive in the four holy books not just one: Torah=Moses;Injeel=Jesus; Zabur=David; Quran=Mohammed (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam).
and i'm afraid to say that as the bible has been forged by a bunch of jews after the death of jesus,the bible, and greek mythical books have the same aspects; watch this: watch?v=hbV8uD1gb7I
In few words, Israel terrorizes and kills children, women, and elders; Israel never was a land that carries humans who believed in god – it has carried rough voracious animals, they live as neutral humans -- serving their own good not the humanity, unsurprisingly they have managed to forge the bible, and naively many people around the world perceive Christianity to be a honest and the path religion, i do not blame those gullible people for not having a critical thinking/mind, I blame Catholics
...(part 2)...for having changed the bible, -- to a mythical one. There’s a holy book called The Holy Quran, it has no mistakes, try to read it and compare facts yourself, you may also YouTube for people and scientists who converted to Islam, -- bear in mind, the fact you are a human favoured by your intellect among other creatures not to be misled by the propaganda.
@iloveJewsGreatly you missed the point yet again... im starting to think you and finders5 are the same XD the point was ONE GOD... and the major point was zionists are nothing like christians but most zionists are christians... then again all mothers are women but all women aren't mothers... too hard for you to get i guess :s
Lies: "Zionism MEANS praticing Judaism", "its a religion", "Arab culture is warlike" stop waiting :P
can we stop making points and talk about how evil zionism is?
@HorseMetal90 You can think everyone is against you in some vast conspiracy. Anti-Zionists who are really bigots usually say this. No mst zionists are zionists. You know Jews. Zionism means being able to be a Jew without harassment. I guess you cant wrap your mind around this concept. Saying zionism is evil is really saying Jews are evil. Old fasioned hatred.
@Alan E Abramowitz No,not everyone is 'kreplach' Alan, at this stage the only kreplach accounts that im aware of are you kreplach6, kreplach 7,kreplach10, kreplach11, AbramowitzisHarassing, NeoKreplach & KamikazeeKreplach accounts as well as your timmywhales impersonation, your ilovepalestinegreat impersonation and..have i left any out?
How obsessed are you with Andrew that you claim he stalks you yet you continue to create channels covered in his image Alan..
@iloveJewsGreatly "terrorism" lets look at the definition: "The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”" they forgot the greatest purpose: money :D. put that next to "Israel is the only democratic country in the middle east" and youll get you answer
@iloveJewsGreatly "Muslim reaction to Jewish self determination" what was it that muslims did that distorted your pretty zionist image? did they take your land? did they kill civilians? did they break more international laws than ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD reunited? did they create internal conflicts in all their neighbours' countries? "things change" <-- ?????? anyway... Arab different from Muslim... XD. one more post...
@iloveJewsGreatly i love it when people try to avoid my point and just make an affirmation like that... while avoiding the personal attacks, i find in your posts some serious errors (thats the nice word for lies). do you know what a pantheon is? real christians would say "the father, the son and the holy spirit, ONE GOD, amen" 3 whos and one what. read more it'll help. im muslim btw. which leads to my next post...
@iloveJewsGreatly sorry for the double post but i realy need to make two points clear here.
if by religion you mean a group of people worshiping the same being, then you are right. but i think of religion as a group of people worshiping God. that's how i was brought up :P so zionism isnt more of a religion than satanism.
second, XD i believe that a person's reasoning is worth listening to (thats why im replying) no matter who he/she is. no need for qualification since everybody has it.
@HorseMetal90 call him kreplach or alan e abramowitz which is this stalking multi channel tolls real name - he's a 57 year old loser from brooklyn NY who has never left Brooklyn
@iloveJewsGreatly "when anyone says" thats the point isnt it... and yes it is my qualification... the creation of this zionism destroyed the image of Jews to most people. you're not going to tell me that "terrorism" is the practice of Islam in the occident XD
if i should read history, you should start reading my posts :D who said anything about zionism being "like" Christianity?
@iloveJewsGreatly lol america is a continent XD so americans should be all people who live on the american continent not U.S.A. citizens. anyway where did you get the illusion that zionism is part of judaism. if it's by definition then fine but im not satisfied with that. most zionist people do not follow the torah (are not jews). in fact, most of them are chistians. its not a religion. its like chiaa and sunna in islam. when its not "Islam", ... its not Islam, cant find easier than this...
@ilovetheJewsGreatly im not seeing where you want to go. and i love the jews too. people have to understand that zionists and jews have nothing in common. if i want to be nice id say they're both human full stop.
technobot, the more i read through your posts the more i wonder why i've come back to this video. calling them palestinians makes Palestine a state. the fact is, Israeli soldiers are killing palestinian people. why did jews live in peace in Palestine before Britain got all worked up? why did the Israeli expand their "territory"? etc... etc... down to why does the Arab figure appear to be either comic, evil or untrustworthy in every single movie? it realy gets clearer with each question you ask
all of you people are sick realy. i dont give a damn about who was here before whom. my "discussion" on this video and on the Palestine-Israeli matter had gotten pretty far with a user called "finders5" or something. you should read posts and stop posting nonsense like "the truth in a time of war". and just for the fun of it, look at the recommended videos at your right XD "Who Is Wrong - Israel Or Palestine?" having to go this low is despicable. tip of the day: dont be emotional, read facts
'ilovethejewsgreatly - is none other than Kreplach, aka AlanE Abramowitz. Youtube have banned this users kreplach2,3, 4,5,8,and kreplach9 accounts for stalking,predatory behaviour obsessive abuse & multiple repeat violations of YT guidelines, but Alan E Abramowitz isnt one to abide by rules - he continues to stalk with this ilovethejewsgreatly account as well as kreplach6, 7,10,11, AbramowitzisHarassing, NeoKreplach &KamikazeeKreplach
@ilovetheJewsGreatly ya arabs lived their but it was a british territories so leggally technichhaly and realisticly it was british land not arabs last time israel was arabs it was during the ottoman empire
In the movie Sophie's Choice, Jew mom Sophie chose to gas her own kid in the Holocaust. The Arabs never did that. Let the only real Americans vote on the Arab State -- the ones who read all of Walter Farley's books about the Wonder-horse The Black Stallion. Plus Mickey Rooney starred in the movie. The best things come in small packages. I have a spare room and a huge backyard for any Arab who hates Jews as much as I do. That's a marriage proposal, Arabs. I do.
ok now, can somebody please tell me whats going on with palestina and israel again?
i dont know the reason for all this chaos, i want a neutral comment, not a guy who protects palestina and insults israel or the other side around, NEUTRAL
@Amo786Amo Real history? You read the Qu'ran and learn history - read about the banu ISRA'IL - oh ISRA'IL - ISRAEL very similar - read the qur'an and learn - The antichrist is deceiving you - day 3 of the antichrist will start in ISRAEL & from there he shall rule the world - ISRAEL is a fake living on land stolen from muslims.
"The four-member panel, led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand, appears with these words to raise the possibility of an execution or something close". NYTIMES
“At least one of those killed, Furkan Dogan, was shot at extremely close range. Mr. Dogan sustained wounds to the face, back of the skull, back and left leg. That suggests he may already have been lying wounded when the fatal shot was delivered, as suggested by witness accounts to that effect.”
Until the day comes when Israel relents and allows Palestine to assume its place as the 194th country recognized by the UN it must be made to feel the wrath of the International Community as exhibited by what happened to the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra in London, conducted by Zubin Mehta.
Gates expressed frustration with Netanyahu when VP Biden visited Israel was marred by an announcement of plans to build new housing units for Jews in East Jerusalem. Gates said if he had been Biden he would have returned to Washington immediately and told the prime minister to call Obama when he was serious about negotiations.
Robert Gates Says Israel Is an Ungrateful Ally: Jeffrey Goldberg
Robert M. Gates upset with Netanyahu in a meeting of the National Security Council Principals Committee, coldly laid out the many steps the administration has taken to guarantee Israel’s security -- access to top- quality weapons, assistance developing missile-defense systems, high-level intelligence sharing -- and then stated bluntly that the U.S. has received nothing in return, particularly with regard to the peace process.
An interview with a Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert appears to reveal that Israel is using a new close-range explosive shell that causes severe injuries and battlefield amputations on the civilians being stuck by these weapons. Children are having their legs cut off, many are having their abdomens sliced open by the new weapon, and others are simply being killed outright, according to Dr. Gilbert.
"The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law. "
Report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry, UN, 2011.
@finders5 "Khalil Shikaki, Palestinian political scientist, has polled Palestinians about "what governments they admire"" great! you're running out of ideas. you should restock buddy :D go and watch some TV. we've been through this (again) page 14 if you wanna know.
this is absolutey wrong! it's rationaly impossible. do you admire the Hitler regime. i bet everytime you hear Hitler you get paranoid. sadly, it's the same for Palestinians and zionists.
@finders5 i feel like i have to elaborate more of the democracy issue so ill do that. "Why not ask the people who live there? Who should know better than they?" us. people from the outside can have an objective reasoning unaffected by propaganda (just like in the Hitler regime). tell me, if "israel" is such a successful democracy, why is Norman Finkelstein banned, for instance. as far as i can tell, he's not making nuclear weponry and doesn't have a bomb wrapped around him.
@finders5 "Your misuse of the term "the chosen people" is to suit your own hateful purposes." im sorry to hear that. but could you remind me who boasts about being the "chosen people" destined to return to their "promised land" and having the most nobel prizes etc etc... sounds like a adventure-fantasy movie realy. and what does that mean? :"Hence Judaism, Christianity and Islam.".
@finders5 "580/880 = 66%" yeah that should ease up the tension. but still 580/1200 (which is the real number) is 1/2. "very theatrical, but totally inaccurate" elaborate. im realy interested to hear why.
"Not at all." tourism. yes it is irrelevant. i went to france but i dont support the gov there. same for england, i'm not ok with the idea of royalty in general.
"israel" is a canary all right. now seriously, did you forsee that? arabs are not on a "crusade" to rule the world you know.
@finders5 you should stop talking about hatred buddy. i took the time to read all your posts but i didn't find convincing your overwhelming information about democracy in "israel"(<-- ill be doing that from now on). if 9 people out of 10 say it is, it doesn't have to be true and i doubt this ratio is even close to the truth. we can sit here for years talking about how israelis are great people but staying in occupied palestinian territory for 2 days will give you the true image of "israel".
In August 2007, the Bush Administration announced that it would increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 billion over the next decade. For FY2008, Israel received $2.4 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF). The agreement calls for incremental annual increases in FMF to Israel, reaching $3.1 billion a year by FY2018
In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot in 2003, he foresees a bleak future for the entire project of Zionism: “The end of Zionism is at our door…it is possible that a Jewish state will survive, but it will be another kind of state, ugly because of being foreign to our values.
The Israeli dissident politician, Avraham Burg, a former speaker of the Knesset, fears that the Zionist experiment will lead to a tragedy for the Jewish state. Without having become anti-Zionist, he nevertheless feels that the original principles of Zionism and the values of the declaration of independence have been betrayed and that Israel has been transformed into a colonial state led by a corrupt clique of outlaws.
As noted by an Israeli academic: “With the blitz victory of 1967 and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, the sudden expansion of Israel’s borders gave rise to a more rapid erosion of the socialist and humanist values that had once been the hallmark of labor Zionism.” In the euphoria there was little resistance to “the new, dynamic Greater Israel movement, which sought to turn Israel’s most recent conquest into an integral part of the country.
@finders5 first post: does it make it ok? how old are you man?
580/1200=1/2 < 2/3 check your facts. do you have another "valid target" that fills up the missing 1/9th? and yes compared to WWII or vietnam, you've become more gentle on people :) that's nice to hear. "minimize civilian casualties" which are roughly 1/2 of the killed palestinians :).
next post is really close to the big point. what does the US have to do with that? why does it have the right to set standards.
@finders5 i googled that. first thing i saw: "Attempts to delegitimate the State of Israel are an outrage and ought to offend anyone of a DEMOCRATIC disposition" well yes. unless you realize DEMOCRACY is a big closet israel is hiding in to veil it's poor freedom of speech rights and it's acts of terror in palestine.
@finders5 in case you're wondering, the big point is: why is the USA the leading country in the world?
"Tourists to Israel:..." (wtf?) off the point.
"those who threaten the existence of the Jewish people are, in the longer term, a threat to us all" thank you for making my point. now for the rational people, this relation is downright dumb because there is no relation between the two parts (unless Stephen here sees the future). how did he come up with that?
@finders5 "to leave the area" that's really funny. you shouldn't expect people to abandon their lands. and for the record, where should they go? "they KNEW they would not be targeted by the IDF" that's why 1500- people died. "get away with" this is infuriating. Israel got away with breaking international law for 34 years now. israel got away with what a same mind would call genocide. you should understand that not all people are stupid... unless they're supporting Israel which is irrational.
You call the INADVERTENT killing of 300 Gazans by the IDF "MURDER"
Well, trapping people in Gaza, not allowing them to escape and then bombing them isnt inadvertent - and it was 1600 people, 363 children “Israel is a theocracy”
The God of the Jews demands human sacrifice”
"Israel is not part of the civilized world" "Israel does NOT value the life of anyone not Israeli"
The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.
“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...
In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation..
@finders5 ..every single reply you have made to me...LIE"
Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.”
“Zionist land policy was incorporated in the Constitution of the Jewish Agency for Palestine...’land is to be acquired as Jewish property and..the title to the lands acquired is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people.’ The provision goes to stipulate that ‘the Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labor’...
@finders5 ..every single reply you have made to me...LIE"
The effect of this Zionist colonization policy on the Arabs was that land acquired by Jews became extra-territorialized. It ceased to be land from which the Arabs could ever hope to gain any advantage...
@finders5 ..every single reply you have made to me...LIE"
“The Zionists made no secret of their intentions, for as early as 1921, Dr. Eder, a member of the Zionist Commission, boldly told the Court of Inquiry, ‘there can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased.’ He then asked that only Jews should be allowed to bear arms.”
@finders5 "all the killing stinks" great then understand what Hamas is trying to do before justifying the violence turned against them.
next Israel reaped what it sowed. you can relate to the suffering of Jews but cant see the suffering of Palestinians. it's ok as long as it's for the nation
nation: "A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history,[...] inhabiting a particular country or territory." and in small font next to it: ready to defend it fiercely with bloodshed and murder
@finders5 and lets say this has nothing to do with that. are you justifying the bloodshed of today with the murders of over 80 years ago? heck this is worst than the Holocaust justification.
and lets say, theoretically speaking, that oppressed people do have the right to rebel and to kill. you should now be defending the so called "Arabs" that are pillaging here and there in the world (in France for one) because they are victims of discrimination. that's simply outrageous.
@finders5 "Arabs were incited to violence" very well. "Haj Amin al-Husseini" is he still here now? do you truly believe that the people being massacred now are "allies of Adolf Hitler"? and since you're so knowledgeable about the facts from 80 years ago, who is it that said the Jews were to come and live in Palestine (which was not a desert land as you once falsely stated)?
@finders5 "Hezbollah's military might and restoring it to the Lebanese people" those two entities are inseparable. are you denying that Hezbollah is lebanese?
"based upon what people with the knowledge about the situation write" you're missing the point yet again. certain facts are undeniable and can only come from newspapers and TV. but those two are not gonna do any thinking in your stead.
"would be killed as a "collaborator"" you're wrong (that should be easy enough)
"Now they have it" misleading
"Now look at it. Doesn’t it make you sad?" it does. however, i'd be way happier to fight for my freedom than to be a slave for others economically and politically. and by the way that's not a very good response for my opinion about saad.
"What land are you talking about?" the new borders (1967) namely Jerusalem and the West Bank.
@finders5 "Dreck like you keep posting the same lies over and over again. You never come up with anything original - just the same shit covered in different wrapping."
finders, sweetie - ive just reported you for spamming multiple videos with repetitive cut & paste spam - an average of 15 times you have used the same cut & paste comment on this & other videos - No one has ever accused you of being bright
finders5 is not a normal person - he's some kind of troll / spam bot for Israel & zionist aggression the same comments he has posted here can also be found on the following videos -
watch?v=m9mkRiGbgZg
watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
watch?v=saeky9I5T9c
he just cuts & pastes the same zionst hatred spam day in day out
@finders5 ghee, you've been busy today - you've cut & pasted these same propagandist lying comments on here as well as UK MP, Israel behaving like nazis as well as Before you boycott Israel - I pressume you cut & paste spam because you're incapable of critical thinking and original thought - guess thats why your spam appears as spam
@finders5 tell me how do you define the actions of Israel as "in the interest of Arabs". that's downright preposterous. i said it before and here it comes again: stop taking interviews as the ground for your reasoning. it's in march 14's best interest to lie about Hezbollah. "Nasrallah has hijacked the authority of the Lebanese government" Hezbollah didn't and isn't taking part in the definition of lebanese water borders (latest example i can give)
@finders5 wow i didnt realize you were posting that much... ok, the blockade on Gaza is not only weakening Hamas but also the palestinians living there (roughly 1.5 million). i dont know how you're gonna come up with an argument to support that :s
well, under international law, a country does not have the right to take land by means of war.
please stop lying. i am lebanese after all. saad hariri is as dumb as can be.
check your facts mr abdul. the law states that a country is allowed to board a ship in international waters if that country has a blockade on another and the boats they raid declare in advance they plan to break that blockade. so, the "freedom" boats were in fact breaking the law, and the IDF acted accordingly
@SophieGenson what the hell are you on about, just because he's not very good at speaking on the spot doesn't make it a stupid argument, his points are still all valid and made clear
@finders5 ..."And you can't even see your hypocrisy!!!" that's empty talk. you know full well what i mean. stop messing around and grow up.
..."I'm sure your are "thankful" for that" do some research please and stop barking nonsense. hezbollah's only purpose is to defend Lebanon. besides, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah himself said Lebanon is far from becoming an islamist country. beirut, clubbing capital of the middle east. proof enough for you?
A UN Inquiry into the May 31, 2010 Gaza flotilla raid and boarding of the Turkish ship, the MV Mavi Marmara, “found that Israel’s blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza is legal and the Israeli government owes no apology or reparation to Turkey.”
The UN committee criticized Turkey for not doing enough to stop the flotilla when it set sail in May 2010 and for its weak investigation into the events that followed.
@finders5 I do not believe anyone in the world would object to Israel building a wall to protect itself, if it was built on Israels internationally recognized border and did not impede on the free movement of the Arab Palestinians. The wall was determined to be illegal based on the preliminary findings as I explained earlier. For the record...I do believe Israel and her citizens have the right to be safe.
@finders5 So now UN (including all organs), Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, BetSalem, Doctors Without Borders, and Haaretz are equivalent to Kim Jong-il, Mahmoud Amadinejad and OJ Simpson? OK! Here is a prime example of your own hypocrisy: You are implying that OJ Simpson could never be trusted, yet you quote Alan Dershowitz, who represented OJ Simpson in his murder trail. LMAO It is you who has parroted the same lame lies told by all Zionist extremists.
@finders5 If you are to read the reports by AI, you will note the many times they have reported on Arab countries committing human rights violations, including Hamas (Palestinians). If you go to there website right now you will note Syria is the target. I not sure how you can take one statement by one person and somehow use that to discredit an organization respected the world over, is beyond comprehension. I could not disagree with you more.
@finders5 When you say purchased the land, are you referring to a piece of property or an entire area, i.e.West Bank? I will say this...The refugee question is one that will be very difficult. I can not say that I agree with the right of return for 5 million Arabs into Israel. That just isn't logical. I will look into displacement of Jews from Arab countries. I have heard that there are many Jews living in Arab countries today without issue, but that could be false?
@finders5 I think perhaps I can concede a portion of this argument. Although I agree that there are some Israelis that regularly criticize the government policies and actions. Any outside criticism is not welcomed, no matter how constructive. I take solace in knowing that there is a voice of descent in Israel and hope that they prevail in the end.
@finders5 I am talking about the many roads that connect the settlements to Israel proper. THOSE roads are not available for Arab Palestinian use, without a permit, which is almost impossible to obtain. These roads have crossings, which are regularly closed, due to settlers traveling on the road that day. This prevents the Arab Palestinians from conducting there everyday business. This has nothing to do with Rt.443 or Israeli Arabs.
@finders5 Amnesty International reports are not false, just because you allege some moral bankruptcy. After Israel concluded it's own investigation in response to the Goldstone report, they concluded that 2 soldiers had stolen credit cards...Nothing else. Now that's what I call taking responsibility for wrong doing. You did not prove an ability to absorb criticism, as you have proven throughout this page. You have not conceded a single thing, just one excuse after the other.
@steute2011 err..careful finders demonizes Amnesty International as a whole while rushdie criticized AI on one issue,the suspension of one of its directors for self criticism fr Amnesty utilising the services of Moazzam Begg and his group Cageprisoners - Rushdei alos said of Amnesty International - 'they are the true voices of the human rights movement"
Racist like finders will do anything to demonize human rights groups that comment on Israels abuse of human rights
@flumoxed2 Yes, that is the typical defense...Selective and partial information. I think he / she has the AIPAC Q&A handbook. I have heard her arguments before and they all have very similar characteristics of those argued by Alan Dershowitz. The main one being to discredit the sources of factual information rather than the facts themselves. He / she definitely has potential for a job with AIPAC.
@finders5 I never claimed Israel stole the land, but the whole purchase thing is new to me... I will look into that. To deny the Jewish only roads is a blatant lie. Those roads were built for illegal settlers in the West Bank to commute into Israel. While in "theory" an Arab Palestinian can get a permit to drive on those roads, it rarely happens. This has been well documented in reports by HR organizations, which include video footage. To deny this, would be a blatant lie.
@finders5 You have not shown anything I said to be false, but rather you have employed the Dershowitz defense lawyer tactic of debate. This tactic uses several methods of deception. 1) Blame the victim, while simultaneously playing the victim. 2) Use selective quotes from historical documents, UN resolutions and books for rebuttal. 3) Accuse every international body and HR organization that has produced negative reports against Israel of bias or antisemitism. World opinion is still the same!!!
@finders5 Israel delegitimizes itself by way of continuing a 40+ year illegal occupation, building illegal settlements and denying the Arab Palestinians their right to self-determination. You can source books for self-serving quotes to help your rebuttal, but in the end, the international community will not allow Israel to manipulate it into believing that Israel and Jews are still the victim. Non-compliance of international law / norms = Delegitimization! No Borders= Delegitimization!
@muhammadsucksmycock1 Well then, looks like a we have an angry cockroach. You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with cocks. Did the your Rabi touch you inappropriately? Is that what makes you think about cock all the time? I reckon you have those cute little curls coming down both sides of your face like a little bitch! I told your mother to put you into sports so that this wouldn't end up this way, but she wouldn't listen. Now look, her son is out here obsessing over cock. NOW FUCK OFF!
When peace ships are considered a major threat, while the IDF can send large shells into Gaza and KILL over 300 CHILDREN in only a month, the world is upside down !
When one, 1, Israeli soldier being held gets more PR than 11,000 Christian and Muslim Arabs being held....
What a FOOL you are
You’re a HYPOCRITE
This is your BLOOD LIBEL
THAT is your HYPOCRISY
THAT is what this has been about all along, in spite of your manipulation, deflection & puerile games
Funny how anyone that stands up to Israel's human rights abuses is either a terrorist, violent,and a provocateur out for blood. Considering that autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.
@bugsy4zionist My friend, I believe you have me confused with Finders5. If you look at my comments here and anywhere, I certainly do not defend Israel's actions in any way, shape or form. Please let me know if any of my comments indicate otherwise.
Funny how anyone that stands up to Israel's human rights abuses is either a terrorist, violent,and a provocateur out for blood. Considering that autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.
@steute2011 A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.
Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.
The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back
@bugsy4zionist those nine turks are terrorist..u know that...where is your voice for the armenians still being killed in turkey?...where is your voice for armenian genocide?..where is your voice for Christians in egypt? where?
@muhammadsucksmycock1 ok i have to explain myself on that now :s im generally not ok with war be it from the Israeli & co or from the Palestinians & co. but i fiercely defend the Palestinian cause because the actions of Israel were not only illegitimate but also illegal
another precision i should add is the meaning of terrorism. simply put, and even if there is no "conventional definition" (im just using my head here), terrorism is the creation of a situation of fear. who are the terrorists now?
@HorseMetal90 The Palestines could have peace with Israel..but unfortunate the Arabs hate the Jews more than they love own kids...the arabs must change their mentality....they have lost all war with the Jews and must strive peace with Jewish state...as long as Arabs follow evil islam there will be no peace with the Jews!..u should know that!
@finders5 Notice you did not mention any of the most respected international HR organizations. QUITE TELLING. Israel's laws in the illegally occupied territories are null and void, so says the ICJ.
@finders5 They want a Palestinian state in the West Bank that is not viable, complete with Jewish only roads criss crossing through the West Bank to connect the settlements to Israel, leaving nothing more than small islands of land that are not contiguous. When Israel withdrew it's civilians from Gaza, they did not end the occupation, since they still controlled it's borders, airspace and ports. That by definition, is occupation and they simultaneously moved those settles (5000) to the West Bank
@finders5 OK, Let's say you are right and the UNHR is bias and doesn't know the first thing about human rights. Will you say that Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, BetSalem and Doctors Without Borders are also bias agaist Israel? Well I reckon the whole world is bias against Israel!!!!
@finders5 You are using a common tactic employed by those who when convenient, will quote this portion of 242 and 338, where the word "the" is absent, as if to mean that the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza by way of the Blockade are somehow, not illegally occupied territories and do not require withdrawal. Regardless to whether UN resolutions are binding, as a member state, you are expected to respect those recommendations. UN resolutions are passed in accordance with international law. Cont>>
@finders5 OK you seem like a smart enough person to know that there are 192 Nations in the UN and 52 out of 192 hardly equals a majority. You have just contradicted your earlier comment about "ENDANGERING the CREDIBILITY of international institutions". Your accusation here clearly does just that. Again you have failed to acknowledge the amount of time that the illegal occupation has been carried out by Israel and how naturally that would result in a higher number of resolutions against Israel.
@finders5 When a state engages in an illegal occupation, destroys indigenous to build illegal settlements, Piracy and human rights abuses in direct defiance of international law for decades, then the answer is yes absolutely a periah state. Nothing you have stated here changes the facts. You seem to be fixated with Israel's accomplishments, which are many. However, the one accomplishment it does not have to it's credit is ending the illegal occupation.
@finders5 There are several points to be made here. You miss the point. Since Israel's illegal occupation has been going on for decades, then one can easily use probability to determine the outcome, which is more UN resolutions being passed against her and therefore violated. Israel currently holds the world record for both. This leads to a world perception that Israel has no regard for international law and "ENDANGERS the rule of law and CREDIBILITY of international institutions.
@finders5 Let me ask you this hypothetical question. An Arab Israeli citizen is caught stealing a bike, red handed by police, with plenty of eye witnesses. He is promptly arrested and taken to jail. Upon his release from jail, he begins telling the media that he has been arrested because he is Muslim and starts quoting statistics for Jewish men whom have committed the same crime, but have not been arrested. Is he therefore innocent of the charges and does that endanger the police credibility?
"Israel could have stopped launching HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of mortars into Gaza. Hamas, Fatah, Amnesty, the UNHRC, B'Tselem WARNED them to stop DOZENS of times"
2002 - 34395
2003 - 41555
2004 - 987281 mortars
2005 - 97853 rmortars
2006 - 94600 rmortars
2007 - 10896 (until the Hamas was elected, 276980 afterwards)
@HorseMetal90 i see finders5 is lying again, as usual - i dont need to mark his spam as spam - it is automatically detected as spam for the simple fact he cuts & pastes the same spam 2,3 times a day.
You can find his same comments on other videos, watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8 , watch?v=saeky9I5T9c&feature=related and watch?v=quTXwTjgfc0
The holy Torah,the NT of Jesus,and also the Quran,all of them wrote that the holy land belong to sons of Israel.old maps wrote holy land of 12 tribes.
WHERE is Palestine in all these books NONE of word.??????
"Palestinians killed 1,083 Israelis in Israel and in the territories in the last 10 years," said B'Tselem. "Seven-hundred and forty-one of the killed were citizens, 124 of them were minors, and 342 were security personnel."
To make life easier, they are shot if they try to harvest crops within half a kilometre of the wall.Then there is the little problem of children dying from hunger and lack of basic medicines. All that while Israel has been building 300,000 homes (illegally) on the West Bank and the right of return has been denied. Israel flourishes and Palestinians are squeezed to death - literally.
I think most Americans understand that something must be done to support the revolutions taking place across the Arab world in the hope that the seeds of democracy and equality may be planted. There exists one major difference between the regimes in Tripoli, Damascus and elsewhere and the regime in Tel Aviv - none of the despotic Arab regimes receive massive arms shipments, while the Israeli regime receives three billion dollars in weapons every year.
Why isn't there a flotilla to Syria? They surely need one.
iIovepaIestinegreat 5 days ago
#OperationFixDaWorld :
1st Phase: #KillReligion #LoveNotReligion!
LuvNotRel1g10n 3 weeks ago
I have nothing against jews and israelis, but I do dislike very much the Israeli government (MURDERERS). I just read "Mornings in Jenin" by Susan ABULHAWA. And this book just reminded me how many Jews surviving the Holocaust ended up torturing innocent Palestinians and deliberately threw them out of their own homes and land!!! Today they are trying to find "agreements" for these 2countries, but "Israel" belongs to the Palestinians! And another thing: Netanyahou is worst than "u know who": (H.).
chumbina92 4 weeks ago
@chumbina92 So a battle becomes a massacre and you believe it?
iIovepaIestinegreat 5 days ago
Haha with THAT name please tell me you're pro-Israeli.
tomerz62 1 month ago
They were going to bring humanitarian aid? How about the tons of food, medical supplies, etc., not to mention the electricity Israel provides for them? This had nothing to do with humanitarian aid, and if it did, they would have complied when Israel tried to radio them. Not to mention, what proof does this baboon have about a "definitive plan" Israel had? What about this indicates ISRAEL planned this?
tomerz62 1 month ago
@tomerz62 my name is tomer too!! haha
knt1234561 1 month ago
It's debates like these that cause the war. And I don't want to be getting any comments saying "No it's the evil IDF that drinks baby blood", or "No, it's those animals from Gaza that relentlessly bomb Israel".
Yuvilastor 2 months ago
The Jews and the Arabs are wrought by a storm of fierce misunderstandings. The religious leaders need to accept each other. They dont right now.
iIovepaIestinegreat 2 months ago
"Zionism means being able to be a Jew without harassment". nonesense. litterally. the harrasement you get when you are jew anti-zionist comes from zionisme itself. ask some anti-zionist orthodox jews in the U.S. but when i read this "Saying zionism is evil is really saying Jews are evil" i only come to the conclusion that you are spreading false information on purpose are you? and btw, conspiracy is usually followed by "theories" so id rather use something like campaign or even crusade.
HorseMetal90 3 months ago
@HorseMetal90 Not evry Zionist is a Jew and evry Jew is not Zionist !!
TheFuNkMaster023 1 month ago
@TheFuNkMaster023 and the point is every Jew supports zionism also
YouBeMadlol 1 month ago
@HorseMetal90 So if you dont agree then it must be false? Starined explanation,
GreatlyLovetheJews 1 month ago
murdering isralie bastards
alastarter 3 months ago
Oh welcome back finders5 missed you so mutch. Your creativity's getting limited i suppose because you keep saying the same thing over and over again. Either that or your sources are low on info gathering. Good thing common sense never fades away though. Have fun in your foggy little world :D
HorseMetal90 3 months ago
This Zionist pig deserves to die. They kill babies.
WhyEnvyBro 3 months ago
@WhyEnvyBro I have a great bridge for you to buy.
ElevenResurrection 3 months ago
@finders5 hhheh, thanks for your compliments; but for ur information; Morocco does help confidentially and enormously; and we contribute in all ways !!
mcfreder 3 months ago
@finders5 : as a muslim, i have read as i belive in the four holy books not just one: Torah=Moses;Injeel=Jesus; Zabur=David; Quran=Mohammed (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam).
and i'm afraid to say that as the bible has been forged by a bunch of jews after the death of jesus,the bible, and greek mythical books have the same aspects; watch this: watch?v=hbV8uD1gb7I
mcfreder 3 months ago
In few words, Israel terrorizes and kills children, women, and elders; Israel never was a land that carries humans who believed in god – it has carried rough voracious animals, they live as neutral humans -- serving their own good not the humanity, unsurprisingly they have managed to forge the bible, and naively many people around the world perceive Christianity to be a honest and the path religion, i do not blame those gullible people for not having a critical thinking/mind, I blame Catholics
mcfreder 4 months ago
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...(part 2)...for having changed the bible, -- to a mythical one. There’s a holy book called The Holy Quran, it has no mistakes, try to read it and compare facts yourself, you may also YouTube for people and scientists who converted to Islam, -- bear in mind, the fact you are a human favoured by your intellect among other creatures not to be misled by the propaganda.
mcfreder 4 months ago
Excellent arguments by the Israeli representative. The flotilla was a terrorist provocation, and the Israelis acted in self-defence.
Sabraguy 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly you missed the point yet again... im starting to think you and finders5 are the same XD the point was ONE GOD... and the major point was zionists are nothing like christians but most zionists are christians... then again all mothers are women but all women aren't mothers... too hard for you to get i guess :s
Lies: "Zionism MEANS praticing Judaism", "its a religion", "Arab culture is warlike" stop waiting :P
can we stop making points and talk about how evil zionism is?
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@HorseMetal90 You can think everyone is against you in some vast conspiracy. Anti-Zionists who are really bigots usually say this. No mst zionists are zionists. You know Jews. Zionism means being able to be a Jew without harassment. I guess you cant wrap your mind around this concept. Saying zionism is evil is really saying Jews are evil. Old fasioned hatred.
ElevenResurrection 3 months ago
@Alan E Abramowitz No,not everyone is 'kreplach' Alan, at this stage the only kreplach accounts that im aware of are you kreplach6, kreplach 7,kreplach10, kreplach11, AbramowitzisHarassing, NeoKreplach & KamikazeeKreplach accounts as well as your timmywhales impersonation, your ilovepalestinegreat impersonation and..have i left any out?
How obsessed are you with Andrew that you claim he stalks you yet you continue to create channels covered in his image Alan..
loser
flumoxed2 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly "terrorism" lets look at the definition: "The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.”" they forgot the greatest purpose: money :D. put that next to "Israel is the only democratic country in the middle east" and youll get you answer
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly "Muslim reaction to Jewish self determination" what was it that muslims did that distorted your pretty zionist image? did they take your land? did they kill civilians? did they break more international laws than ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD reunited? did they create internal conflicts in all their neighbours' countries? "things change" <-- ?????? anyway... Arab different from Muslim... XD. one more post...
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly i love it when people try to avoid my point and just make an affirmation like that... while avoiding the personal attacks, i find in your posts some serious errors (thats the nice word for lies). do you know what a pantheon is? real christians would say "the father, the son and the holy spirit, ONE GOD, amen" 3 whos and one what. read more it'll help. im muslim btw. which leads to my next post...
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly sorry for the double post but i realy need to make two points clear here.
if by religion you mean a group of people worshiping the same being, then you are right. but i think of religion as a group of people worshiping God. that's how i was brought up :P so zionism isnt more of a religion than satanism.
second, XD i believe that a person's reasoning is worth listening to (thats why im replying) no matter who he/she is. no need for qualification since everybody has it.
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@HorseMetal90 call him kreplach or alan e abramowitz which is this stalking multi channel tolls real name - he's a 57 year old loser from brooklyn NY who has never left Brooklyn
flumoxed2 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly "when anyone says" thats the point isnt it... and yes it is my qualification... the creation of this zionism destroyed the image of Jews to most people. you're not going to tell me that "terrorism" is the practice of Islam in the occident XD
if i should read history, you should start reading my posts :D who said anything about zionism being "like" Christianity?
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@iloveJewsGreatly lol america is a continent XD so americans should be all people who live on the american continent not U.S.A. citizens. anyway where did you get the illusion that zionism is part of judaism. if it's by definition then fine but im not satisfied with that. most zionist people do not follow the torah (are not jews). in fact, most of them are chistians. its not a religion. its like chiaa and sunna in islam. when its not "Islam", ... its not Islam, cant find easier than this...
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
@ilovetheJewsGreatly im not seeing where you want to go. and i love the jews too. people have to understand that zionists and jews have nothing in common. if i want to be nice id say they're both human full stop.
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
technobot, the more i read through your posts the more i wonder why i've come back to this video. calling them palestinians makes Palestine a state. the fact is, Israeli soldiers are killing palestinian people. why did jews live in peace in Palestine before Britain got all worked up? why did the Israeli expand their "territory"? etc... etc... down to why does the Arab figure appear to be either comic, evil or untrustworthy in every single movie? it realy gets clearer with each question you ask
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
all of you people are sick realy. i dont give a damn about who was here before whom. my "discussion" on this video and on the Palestine-Israeli matter had gotten pretty far with a user called "finders5" or something. you should read posts and stop posting nonsense like "the truth in a time of war". and just for the fun of it, look at the recommended videos at your right XD "Who Is Wrong - Israel Or Palestine?" having to go this low is despicable. tip of the day: dont be emotional, read facts
HorseMetal90 4 months ago
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razaviv007 5 months ago
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razaviv007 5 months ago
'ilovethejewsgreatly - is none other than Kreplach, aka AlanE Abramowitz. Youtube have banned this users kreplach2,3, 4,5,8,and kreplach9 accounts for stalking,predatory behaviour obsessive abuse & multiple repeat violations of YT guidelines, but Alan E Abramowitz isnt one to abide by rules - he continues to stalk with this ilovethejewsgreatly account as well as kreplach6, 7,10,11, AbramowitzisHarassing, NeoKreplach &KamikazeeKreplach
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago 2
@TechnoB0T sir u are a true man for saying the truth in a time of war
knt1234561 5 months ago
@ilovetheJewsGreatly ya arabs lived their but it was a british territories so leggally technichhaly and realisticly it was british land not arabs last time israel was arabs it was during the ottoman empire
knt1234561 5 months ago
@TechnoB0T and u have to admit though that wat palestinians aree doing is evil
knt1234561 5 months ago
@TechnoB0T as an israeli i LOVE YOU for speaking the truth
knt1234561 5 months ago
@ilovetheJewsGreatly exactly israel has the land
knt1234561 5 months ago
In the movie Sophie's Choice, Jew mom Sophie chose to gas her own kid in the Holocaust. The Arabs never did that. Let the only real Americans vote on the Arab State -- the ones who read all of Walter Farley's books about the Wonder-horse The Black Stallion. Plus Mickey Rooney starred in the movie. The best things come in small packages. I have a spare room and a huge backyard for any Arab who hates Jews as much as I do. That's a marriage proposal, Arabs. I do.
redfordforpresident 5 months ago
When in doubt, vote for the one with the smaller nose. Big noses mean less land for everybody, plus more Kleenexes cluttering the landfills.
redfordforpresident 5 months ago
EVERYBODY SHUT THE FUCK UP
ok now, can somebody please tell me whats going on with palestina and israel again?
i dont know the reason for all this chaos, i want a neutral comment, not a guy who protects palestina and insults israel or the other side around, NEUTRAL
KNJpd 5 months ago
1.5 palatinians? its okay tomorrow they will be 3 million and the day after they will b 7 million
deathtoislam1000 5 months ago
hahahahahah carrying humanitarian aid!?!?!?!?!!?!??!? WWWWWTTTFF!!!! you saw their knifes and weapons with your own fucking eyes!!!!
deathtoislam1000 5 months ago
would love to punch gissins teeth to the back of his throat - bastard thief living on stolen land, land stolen from the palestinians.
Amo786Amo 5 months ago
@Amo786Amo Real history? You read the Qu'ran and learn history - read about the banu ISRA'IL - oh ISRA'IL - ISRAEL very similar - read the qur'an and learn - The antichrist is deceiving you - day 3 of the antichrist will start in ISRAEL & from there he shall rule the world - ISRAEL is a fake living on land stolen from muslims.
Amo786Amo 5 months ago
GISSIN YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. HAHA
MegaMooseballs 5 months ago
@MegaMooseballs i'd like to see your face when you'll find out that there is a 72 years old virgin waiting for you
deathtoislam1000 5 months ago
"The four-member panel, led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand, appears with these words to raise the possibility of an execution or something close". NYTIMES
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
“At least one of those killed, Furkan Dogan, was shot at extremely close range. Mr. Dogan sustained wounds to the face, back of the skull, back and left leg. That suggests he may already have been lying wounded when the fatal shot was delivered, as suggested by witness accounts to that effect.”
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
Until the day comes when Israel relents and allows Palestine to assume its place as the 194th country recognized by the UN it must be made to feel the wrath of the International Community as exhibited by what happened to the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra in London, conducted by Zubin Mehta.
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
Gates expressed frustration with Netanyahu when VP Biden visited Israel was marred by an announcement of plans to build new housing units for Jews in East Jerusalem. Gates said if he had been Biden he would have returned to Washington immediately and told the prime minister to call Obama when he was serious about negotiations.
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
Robert Gates Says Israel Is an Ungrateful Ally: Jeffrey Goldberg
Robert M. Gates upset with Netanyahu in a meeting of the National Security Council Principals Committee, coldly laid out the many steps the administration has taken to guarantee Israel’s security -- access to top- quality weapons, assistance developing missile-defense systems, high-level intelligence sharing -- and then stated bluntly that the U.S. has received nothing in return, particularly with regard to the peace process.
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
Dr. Gilbert describes the Israeli operations as "an all-out war against the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza."
A rather graphic YouTube video describing the real events ) is available here: watch?v=Ev6o...
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
An interview with a Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert appears to reveal that Israel is using a new close-range explosive shell that causes severe injuries and battlefield amputations on the civilians being stuck by these weapons. Children are having their legs cut off, many are having their abdomens sliced open by the new weapon, and others are simply being killed outright, according to Dr. Gilbert.
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
@KalasuriAhubudu finders spam can also be found open the following videos - by spam i mean the exact same comments,just addressed to different users -
UK MP, Israel acting like nazis in Gaza
Satanic Talmud
Before you boycott Israel
Gaza 2009 we will never forget
as well as on this very video as he has already posted the same spam at lest a dozen times so far
bugsy8fuI 5 months ago
Gissin suck the balls of Dying devil Sharon, you son of whore.
MrJaredsboy 6 months ago
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"The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law. "
Report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry, UN, 2011.
StangeWorld0000 6 months ago
read the case for israel and see if you can find any facts that are incorrect
drskid613 6 months ago
@finders5 ok... this has to be shown.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
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@finders5 "Khalil Shikaki, Palestinian political scientist, has polled Palestinians about "what governments they admire"" great! you're running out of ideas. you should restock buddy :D go and watch some TV. we've been through this (again) page 14 if you wanna know.
this is absolutey wrong! it's rationaly impossible. do you admire the Hitler regime. i bet everytime you hear Hitler you get paranoid. sadly, it's the same for Palestinians and zionists.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 i feel like i have to elaborate more of the democracy issue so ill do that. "Why not ask the people who live there? Who should know better than they?" us. people from the outside can have an objective reasoning unaffected by propaganda (just like in the Hitler regime). tell me, if "israel" is such a successful democracy, why is Norman Finkelstein banned, for instance. as far as i can tell, he's not making nuclear weponry and doesn't have a bomb wrapped around him.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
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@finders5 "Your misuse of the term "the chosen people" is to suit your own hateful purposes." im sorry to hear that. but could you remind me who boasts about being the "chosen people" destined to return to their "promised land" and having the most nobel prizes etc etc... sounds like a adventure-fantasy movie realy. and what does that mean? :"Hence Judaism, Christianity and Islam.".
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 "580/880 = 66%" yeah that should ease up the tension. but still 580/1200 (which is the real number) is 1/2. "very theatrical, but totally inaccurate" elaborate. im realy interested to hear why.
"Not at all." tourism. yes it is irrelevant. i went to france but i dont support the gov there. same for england, i'm not ok with the idea of royalty in general.
"israel" is a canary all right. now seriously, did you forsee that? arabs are not on a "crusade" to rule the world you know.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 you should stop talking about hatred buddy. i took the time to read all your posts but i didn't find convincing your overwhelming information about democracy in "israel"(<-- ill be doing that from now on). if 9 people out of 10 say it is, it doesn't have to be true and i doubt this ratio is even close to the truth. we can sit here for years talking about how israelis are great people but staying in occupied palestinian territory for 2 days will give you the true image of "israel".
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
In August 2007, the Bush Administration announced that it would increase U.S. military assistance to Israel by $6 billion over the next decade. For FY2008, Israel received $2.4 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF). The agreement calls for incremental annual increases in FMF to Israel, reaching $3.1 billion a year by FY2018
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
In an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot in 2003, he foresees a bleak future for the entire project of Zionism: “The end of Zionism is at our door…it is possible that a Jewish state will survive, but it will be another kind of state, ugly because of being foreign to our values.
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
The Israeli dissident politician, Avraham Burg, a former speaker of the Knesset, fears that the Zionist experiment will lead to a tragedy for the Jewish state. Without having become anti-Zionist, he nevertheless feels that the original principles of Zionism and the values of the declaration of independence have been betrayed and that Israel has been transformed into a colonial state led by a corrupt clique of outlaws.
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
As noted by an Israeli academic: “With the blitz victory of 1967 and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, the sudden expansion of Israel’s borders gave rise to a more rapid erosion of the socialist and humanist values that had once been the hallmark of labor Zionism.” In the euphoria there was little resistance to “the new, dynamic Greater Israel movement, which sought to turn Israel’s most recent conquest into an integral part of the country.
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
M-113 armored personnel carrier 6,131 United Defense, joint of FMC and Harsco
(Purchased by BaE systems, mid-2005)
M-109 self-propelled 155mm artillery 350 United Defense (purchased by BaE systems, mid-2005)
MLRS multiple rocket launcher 60 Lockheed Martin/Vought
Harpoon missiles sea-to-sea 444 Boeing (formerly by McDonnell Douglas)
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
Maverick, Standard (numbers unknown) Lockheed Martin/Boeing (Hellfire); Raytheon (Standard, Maverick); Martin Marietta – now Lockheed Martin (Walleye);
Air-to-Surface missiles, PAC-2 48 Lockheed Martin/Vought, Raytheon
Bombs (Joint Direct Attack Munitions) Numbers unknown Boeing
M-60 main battle tank 711 General Dynamics
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
Utility helicopters (Bell 206 and Bell 212) 77 Bell/Textron
Stinger man-portable air defense missile 390 Raytheon (formerly by General Dynamics, Hughes)
Redeye surface-to-air missile 1,000 General Dynamics
Tactical Air-to-Ground missiles (AGM) Hellfire, Walleye,
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
AH-1 Cobra attack, No 55 Bell/Textron helicopter
AH-64 attack helicopter, No 40 Boeing, Lockheed Martin/Northrop Grumman (for AH-64D)
CH-53 Sea Stallion attack helicopter41 United Technologies (Sikorsky unit)
Black Hawk support helicopter (S-70 and UH- 60A) 48 United Technologies
(Sikorsky unit)
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
F-15 combat aircraft, No 89 Boeing (formerly by McDonnell Douglas)
A-4 attack aircraft No 39 Northrop Grumman (formerly Grumman)
C-130 transport plane, No 5 Lockheed Martin
C-47 cargo helicopter, No11 Boeing, Allied Signal
Gulf Stream G-550 transport, No 8 Gulf stream (now owned by General Dynamics)
B-707 transport, No 7 Boeing
Cessna 206 utility aircraft, No 22 Cessna
TA-4 training aircraft, No 26 Northrop Grumman
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
U.S.-SUPPLIED WEAPONRY IN ISRAEL’S MILITARY INVENTORY
F-16 combat aircraft, Total No 236, 110 fighters and 126 ground attack versions Lockheed Martin (formerly by General Dynamics)
FFPaleSWlNE 6 months ago
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@finders5 first post: does it make it ok? how old are you man?
580/1200=1/2 < 2/3 check your facts. do you have another "valid target" that fills up the missing 1/9th? and yes compared to WWII or vietnam, you've become more gentle on people :) that's nice to hear. "minimize civilian casualties" which are roughly 1/2 of the killed palestinians :).
next post is really close to the big point. what does the US have to do with that? why does it have the right to set standards.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 i googled that. first thing i saw: "Attempts to delegitimate the State of Israel are an outrage and ought to offend anyone of a DEMOCRATIC disposition" well yes. unless you realize DEMOCRACY is a big closet israel is hiding in to veil it's poor freedom of speech rights and it's acts of terror in palestine.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 next: same
next: same
next, Italian MP: of course. it shows how greed and success goes to people's heads, convincing them they are "God's chosen People"
next: same as 1...
next: "...Now that we Jews..." that's self-explanatory.
next: same as 1 wow i didn't know so many people are that stupid :D
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 in case you're wondering, the big point is: why is the USA the leading country in the world?
"Tourists to Israel:..." (wtf?) off the point.
"those who threaten the existence of the Jewish people are, in the longer term, a threat to us all" thank you for making my point. now for the rational people, this relation is downright dumb because there is no relation between the two parts (unless Stephen here sees the future). how did he come up with that?
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
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HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 "to leave the area" that's really funny. you shouldn't expect people to abandon their lands. and for the record, where should they go? "they KNEW they would not be targeted by the IDF" that's why 1500- people died. "get away with" this is infuriating. Israel got away with breaking international law for 34 years now. israel got away with what a same mind would call genocide. you should understand that not all people are stupid... unless they're supporting Israel which is irrational.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago 2
@finders5 “
“1967 was an Israeli land grab”
You call the INADVERTENT killing of 300 Gazans by the IDF "MURDER"
Well, trapping people in Gaza, not allowing them to escape and then bombing them isnt inadvertent - and it was 1600 people, 363 children “Israel is a theocracy”
The God of the Jews demands human sacrifice”
"Israel is not part of the civilized world" "Israel does NOT value the life of anyone not Israeli"
"Israel...dropped phosporous on them..."
Those are YOUR words
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5
Your postings are full of lies.
Your "quotes" are all lies
Your anti-arab racism is based on lies.
Your life is built on lies.
Your lies will consume you
sirbIuff 6 months ago
and stop spamming the guy. hiding the lies won't reveal the truth.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 The Editor in Chief of the Arab Times:
The Zionists (who were a distinct minority of the Jewish people until after WWII) had an understandable desire to establish a place where Jews could be masters of their own fate, given the bleak history of Jewish oppression. Especially as the danger to European Jewry crystalized in the late 1930’s and after, the actions of the Zionists were propelled by real desperation.
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5
The Editor in Chief of the Arab Times:
“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 richardkemp
In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation..
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 ..every single reply you have made to me...LIE"
Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.”
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 The Editor in Chief of the Arab Times:
“Zionist land policy was incorporated in the Constitution of the Jewish Agency for Palestine...’land is to be acquired as Jewish property and..the title to the lands acquired is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people.’ The provision goes to stipulate that ‘the Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labor’...
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 ..every single reply you have made to me...LIE"
The effect of this Zionist colonization policy on the Arabs was that land acquired by Jews became extra-territorialized. It ceased to be land from which the Arabs could ever hope to gain any advantage...
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 ..every single reply you have made to me...LIE"
“The Zionists made no secret of their intentions, for as early as 1921, Dr. Eder, a member of the Zionist Commission, boldly told the Court of Inquiry, ‘there can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased.’ He then asked that only Jews should be allowed to bear arms.”
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5
As long as you keep spamming the same lies over and over again, it will be refuted with the same facts. Finders is a spamming zionazi troll
watch?v=m9mkRiGbgZg
watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
watch?v=saeky9I5T9c
he just cuts & pastes the same zionst hatred spam day in day out
He is a DEPRAVED individual
This is his BLOOD LIBEL
Good night, little Nazi
His Uncle Adolf taught him well
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 "all the killing stinks" great then understand what Hamas is trying to do before justifying the violence turned against them.
next Israel reaped what it sowed. you can relate to the suffering of Jews but cant see the suffering of Palestinians. it's ok as long as it's for the nation
nation: "A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history,[...] inhabiting a particular country or territory." and in small font next to it: ready to defend it fiercely with bloodshed and murder
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 and lets say this has nothing to do with that. are you justifying the bloodshed of today with the murders of over 80 years ago? heck this is worst than the Holocaust justification.
and lets say, theoretically speaking, that oppressed people do have the right to rebel and to kill. you should now be defending the so called "Arabs" that are pillaging here and there in the world (in France for one) because they are victims of discrimination. that's simply outrageous.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 "Arabs were incited to violence" very well. "Haj Amin al-Husseini" is he still here now? do you truly believe that the people being massacred now are "allies of Adolf Hitler"? and since you're so knowledgeable about the facts from 80 years ago, who is it that said the Jews were to come and live in Palestine (which was not a desert land as you once falsely stated)?
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
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@finders5 "Hezbollah's military might and restoring it to the Lebanese people" those two entities are inseparable. are you denying that Hezbollah is lebanese?
"based upon what people with the knowledge about the situation write" you're missing the point yet again. certain facts are undeniable and can only come from newspapers and TV. but those two are not gonna do any thinking in your stead.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
"would be killed as a "collaborator"" you're wrong (that should be easy enough)
"Now they have it" misleading
"Now look at it. Doesn’t it make you sad?" it does. however, i'd be way happier to fight for my freedom than to be a slave for others economically and politically. and by the way that's not a very good response for my opinion about saad.
"What land are you talking about?" the new borders (1967) namely Jerusalem and the West Bank.
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 "Dreck like you keep posting the same lies over and over again. You never come up with anything original - just the same shit covered in different wrapping."
finders, sweetie - ive just reported you for spamming multiple videos with repetitive cut & paste spam - an average of 15 times you have used the same cut & paste comment on this & other videos - No one has ever accused you of being bright
sirbIuff 6 months ago
finders5 is not a normal person - he's some kind of troll / spam bot for Israel & zionist aggression the same comments he has posted here can also be found on the following videos -
watch?v=m9mkRiGbgZg
watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
watch?v=saeky9I5T9c
he just cuts & pastes the same zionst hatred spam day in day out
He is a DEPRAVED individual
This is his BLOOD LIBEL
Good night, little Nazi
His Uncle Adolf taught him well
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 ghee, you've been busy today - you've cut & pasted these same propagandist lying comments on here as well as UK MP, Israel behaving like nazis as well as Before you boycott Israel - I pressume you cut & paste spam because you're incapable of critical thinking and original thought - guess thats why your spam appears as spam
sirbIuff 6 months ago
@finders5 tell me how do you define the actions of Israel as "in the interest of Arabs". that's downright preposterous. i said it before and here it comes again: stop taking interviews as the ground for your reasoning. it's in march 14's best interest to lie about Hezbollah. "Nasrallah has hijacked the authority of the Lebanese government" Hezbollah didn't and isn't taking part in the definition of lebanese water borders (latest example i can give)
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
@finders5 wow i didnt realize you were posting that much... ok, the blockade on Gaza is not only weakening Hamas but also the palestinians living there (roughly 1.5 million). i dont know how you're gonna come up with an argument to support that :s
well, under international law, a country does not have the right to take land by means of war.
please stop lying. i am lebanese after all. saad hariri is as dumb as can be.
youtube.com/watch?v=QUO_WPsvqxU
youtube.com/watch?v=qfsPfvowuQk
HorseMetal90 6 months ago
check your facts mr abdul. the law states that a country is allowed to board a ship in international waters if that country has a blockade on another and the boats they raid declare in advance they plan to break that blockade. so, the "freedom" boats were in fact breaking the law, and the IDF acted accordingly
Ideazonqa 7 months ago
7:20 starts the most stupid arab argument ever
SophieGenson 7 months ago
@SophieGenson what the hell are you on about, just because he's not very good at speaking on the spot doesn't make it a stupid argument, his points are still all valid and made clear
Sheikhsepic 7 months ago
@finders5 hamas derived from Muslim brotherhood based on insane islamic ignorance
SophieGenson 7 months ago
@finders5 ..."And you can't even see your hypocrisy!!!" that's empty talk. you know full well what i mean. stop messing around and grow up.
..."I'm sure your are "thankful" for that" do some research please and stop barking nonsense. hezbollah's only purpose is to defend Lebanon. besides, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah himself said Lebanon is far from becoming an islamist country. beirut, clubbing capital of the middle east. proof enough for you?
HorseMetal90 7 months ago
I love israel.. Israel has every right to defense itsefl
MultiOphir 7 months ago
@MultiOphir so does everyone else
wilmslowforlife 7 months ago
@finders5 oddly enough, Dr. Finkelstein does not make propaganda for Israel. He's a scholar and a Jew who thinks.
"the victors fighting a defensive war have dictated the terms" VS "the Arabs are playing the I AM THE VICTIM game"... you're really cute :P
please dont talk about something you know of only on TV. Hamas is the result of Israel's madness. just check the dates. we've already discussed this.
HorseMetal90 7 months ago
why don't you seal to Tel Aviv and let Israel drive the Aid to Gaza!
Herb615 7 months ago
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A UN Inquiry into the May 31, 2010 Gaza flotilla raid and boarding of the Turkish ship, the MV Mavi Marmara, “found that Israel’s blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza is legal and the Israeli government owes no apology or reparation to Turkey.”
The UN committee criticized Turkey for not doing enough to stop the flotilla when it set sail in May 2010 and for its weak investigation into the events that followed.
vbkpartners 7 months ago
@finders5 I do not believe anyone in the world would object to Israel building a wall to protect itself, if it was built on Israels internationally recognized border and did not impede on the free movement of the Arab Palestinians. The wall was determined to be illegal based on the preliminary findings as I explained earlier. For the record...I do believe Israel and her citizens have the right to be safe.
steute2011 7 months ago 2
@finders5 So now UN (including all organs), Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, BetSalem, Doctors Without Borders, and Haaretz are equivalent to Kim Jong-il, Mahmoud Amadinejad and OJ Simpson? OK! Here is a prime example of your own hypocrisy: You are implying that OJ Simpson could never be trusted, yet you quote Alan Dershowitz, who represented OJ Simpson in his murder trail. LMAO It is you who has parroted the same lame lies told by all Zionist extremists.
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 If you are to read the reports by AI, you will note the many times they have reported on Arab countries committing human rights violations, including Hamas (Palestinians). If you go to there website right now you will note Syria is the target. I not sure how you can take one statement by one person and somehow use that to discredit an organization respected the world over, is beyond comprehension. I could not disagree with you more.
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 When you say purchased the land, are you referring to a piece of property or an entire area, i.e.West Bank? I will say this...The refugee question is one that will be very difficult. I can not say that I agree with the right of return for 5 million Arabs into Israel. That just isn't logical. I will look into displacement of Jews from Arab countries. I have heard that there are many Jews living in Arab countries today without issue, but that could be false?
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 I think perhaps I can concede a portion of this argument. Although I agree that there are some Israelis that regularly criticize the government policies and actions. Any outside criticism is not welcomed, no matter how constructive. I take solace in knowing that there is a voice of descent in Israel and hope that they prevail in the end.
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 I am talking about the many roads that connect the settlements to Israel proper. THOSE roads are not available for Arab Palestinian use, without a permit, which is almost impossible to obtain. These roads have crossings, which are regularly closed, due to settlers traveling on the road that day. This prevents the Arab Palestinians from conducting there everyday business. This has nothing to do with Rt.443 or Israeli Arabs.
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 Amnesty International reports are not false, just because you allege some moral bankruptcy. After Israel concluded it's own investigation in response to the Goldstone report, they concluded that 2 soldiers had stolen credit cards...Nothing else. Now that's what I call taking responsibility for wrong doing. You did not prove an ability to absorb criticism, as you have proven throughout this page. You have not conceded a single thing, just one excuse after the other.
steute2011 7 months ago
@steute2011 err..careful finders demonizes Amnesty International as a whole while rushdie criticized AI on one issue,the suspension of one of its directors for self criticism fr Amnesty utilising the services of Moazzam Begg and his group Cageprisoners - Rushdei alos said of Amnesty International - 'they are the true voices of the human rights movement"
Racist like finders will do anything to demonize human rights groups that comment on Israels abuse of human rights
flumoxed2 7 months ago
@flumoxed2 Yes, that is the typical defense...Selective and partial information. I think he / she has the AIPAC Q&A handbook. I have heard her arguments before and they all have very similar characteristics of those argued by Alan Dershowitz. The main one being to discredit the sources of factual information rather than the facts themselves. He / she definitely has potential for a job with AIPAC.
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 I never claimed Israel stole the land, but the whole purchase thing is new to me... I will look into that. To deny the Jewish only roads is a blatant lie. Those roads were built for illegal settlers in the West Bank to commute into Israel. While in "theory" an Arab Palestinian can get a permit to drive on those roads, it rarely happens. This has been well documented in reports by HR organizations, which include video footage. To deny this, would be a blatant lie.
steute2011 7 months ago
@finders5 You have not shown anything I said to be false, but rather you have employed the Dershowitz defense lawyer tactic of debate. This tactic uses several methods of deception. 1) Blame the victim, while simultaneously playing the victim. 2) Use selective quotes from historical documents, UN resolutions and books for rebuttal. 3) Accuse every international body and HR organization that has produced negative reports against Israel of bias or antisemitism. World opinion is still the same!!!
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5 Israel delegitimizes itself by way of continuing a 40+ year illegal occupation, building illegal settlements and denying the Arab Palestinians their right to self-determination. You can source books for self-serving quotes to help your rebuttal, but in the end, the international community will not allow Israel to manipulate it into believing that Israel and Jews are still the victim. Non-compliance of international law / norms = Delegitimization! No Borders= Delegitimization!
steute2011 8 months ago
@muhammadsucksmycock1 Well then, looks like a we have an angry cockroach. You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with cocks. Did the your Rabi touch you inappropriately? Is that what makes you think about cock all the time? I reckon you have those cute little curls coming down both sides of your face like a little bitch! I told your mother to put you into sports so that this wouldn't end up this way, but she wouldn't listen. Now look, her son is out here obsessing over cock. NOW FUCK OFF!
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5
When peace ships are considered a major threat, while the IDF can send large shells into Gaza and KILL over 300 CHILDREN in only a month, the world is upside down !
When one, 1, Israeli soldier being held gets more PR than 11,000 Christian and Muslim Arabs being held....
What a FOOL you are
You’re a HYPOCRITE
This is your BLOOD LIBEL
THAT is your HYPOCRISY
THAT is what this has been about all along, in spite of your manipulation, deflection & puerile games
bugsy4zionist 8 months ago
@finders5
When US taxpayers help, at least indirectly, build radical settler homes
on Arab land, often with swimming pools and using scarce Arab water,
while millions in the US try to hold on to their more modest homes.....
You're INCAPABLE of understanding this basic concept
bugsy4zionist 8 months ago
@steute2011
Funny how anyone that stands up to Israel's human rights abuses is either a terrorist, violent,and a provocateur out for blood. Considering that autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.
You’re a HYPOCRITE
This is your BLOOD LIBEL
bugsy4zionist 8 months ago
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@bugsy4zionist My friend, I believe you have me confused with Finders5. If you look at my comments here and anywhere, I certainly do not defend Israel's actions in any way, shape or form. Please let me know if any of my comments indicate otherwise.
steute2011 8 months ago
@steute2011
Funny how anyone that stands up to Israel's human rights abuses is either a terrorist, violent,and a provocateur out for blood. Considering that autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.
bugsy4zionist 8 months ago
@steute2011 A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.
bugsy4zionist 8 months ago
@steute2011
Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.
The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back
bugsy4zionist 8 months ago
@bugsy4zionist those nine turks are terrorist..u know that...where is your voice for the armenians still being killed in turkey?...where is your voice for armenian genocide?..where is your voice for Christians in egypt? where?
muhammadsucksmycock1 8 months ago
@muhammadsucksmycock1 wow thats emotional. i read a quote once and it stated:
"does killing PEOPLE who kill PEOPLE makes killing PEOPLE ok?"
HorseMetal90 8 months ago
@muhammadsucksmycock1 ok i have to explain myself on that now :s im generally not ok with war be it from the Israeli & co or from the Palestinians & co. but i fiercely defend the Palestinian cause because the actions of Israel were not only illegitimate but also illegal
another precision i should add is the meaning of terrorism. simply put, and even if there is no "conventional definition" (im just using my head here), terrorism is the creation of a situation of fear. who are the terrorists now?
HorseMetal90 8 months ago
@HorseMetal90 The Palestines could have peace with Israel..but unfortunate the Arabs hate the Jews more than they love own kids...the arabs must change their mentality....they have lost all war with the Jews and must strive peace with Jewish state...as long as Arabs follow evil islam there will be no peace with the Jews!..u should know that!
muhammadsucksmycock1 7 months ago
@finders5 Notice you did not mention any of the most respected international HR organizations. QUITE TELLING. Israel's laws in the illegally occupied territories are null and void, so says the ICJ.
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5 They want a Palestinian state in the West Bank that is not viable, complete with Jewish only roads criss crossing through the West Bank to connect the settlements to Israel, leaving nothing more than small islands of land that are not contiguous. When Israel withdrew it's civilians from Gaza, they did not end the occupation, since they still controlled it's borders, airspace and ports. That by definition, is occupation and they simultaneously moved those settles (5000) to the West Bank
steute2011 8 months ago
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@finders5 OK, Let's say you are right and the UNHR is bias and doesn't know the first thing about human rights. Will you say that Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, BetSalem and Doctors Without Borders are also bias agaist Israel? Well I reckon the whole world is bias against Israel!!!!
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5 You are using a common tactic employed by those who when convenient, will quote this portion of 242 and 338, where the word "the" is absent, as if to mean that the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza by way of the Blockade are somehow, not illegally occupied territories and do not require withdrawal. Regardless to whether UN resolutions are binding, as a member state, you are expected to respect those recommendations. UN resolutions are passed in accordance with international law. Cont>>
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5 OK you seem like a smart enough person to know that there are 192 Nations in the UN and 52 out of 192 hardly equals a majority. You have just contradicted your earlier comment about "ENDANGERING the CREDIBILITY of international institutions". Your accusation here clearly does just that. Again you have failed to acknowledge the amount of time that the illegal occupation has been carried out by Israel and how naturally that would result in a higher number of resolutions against Israel.
steute2011 8 months ago
palestine is historicaly jewish territory!!! fuck islam!!
90magor 8 months ago
@90magor The only thing historical about Jewish rights to Palestinian territory is in your head.
steute2011 8 months ago
@steute2011 sorry but holly land(israel) was created first than palestine..... ok I know muslims don´t know what is history
90magor 8 months ago
@finders5 When a state engages in an illegal occupation, destroys indigenous to build illegal settlements, Piracy and human rights abuses in direct defiance of international law for decades, then the answer is yes absolutely a periah state. Nothing you have stated here changes the facts. You seem to be fixated with Israel's accomplishments, which are many. However, the one accomplishment it does not have to it's credit is ending the illegal occupation.
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5 There are several points to be made here. You miss the point. Since Israel's illegal occupation has been going on for decades, then one can easily use probability to determine the outcome, which is more UN resolutions being passed against her and therefore violated. Israel currently holds the world record for both. This leads to a world perception that Israel has no regard for international law and "ENDANGERS the rule of law and CREDIBILITY of international institutions.
steute2011 8 months ago
@finders5 Let me ask you this hypothetical question. An Arab Israeli citizen is caught stealing a bike, red handed by police, with plenty of eye witnesses. He is promptly arrested and taken to jail. Upon his release from jail, he begins telling the media that he has been arrested because he is Muslim and starts quoting statistics for Jewish men whom have committed the same crime, but have not been arrested. Is he therefore innocent of the charges and does that endanger the police credibility?
steute2011 8 months ago
I heard those rocks being thrown are pretty dangerous...
imRyRy 8 months ago
fuck israel
viva palestine
hollysaga 8 months ago 4
"Israel could have stopped launching HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of mortars into Gaza. Hamas, Fatah, Amnesty, the UNHRC, B'Tselem WARNED them to stop DOZENS of times"
2002 - 34395
2003 - 41555
2004 - 987281 mortars
2005 - 97853 rmortars
2006 - 94600 rmortars
2007 - 10896 (until the Hamas was elected, 276980 afterwards)
2008 - 111752 mortars
2009 - 135578 mortars
flumoxed2 8 months ago
@HorseMetal90 i see finders5 is lying again, as usual - i dont need to mark his spam as spam - it is automatically detected as spam for the simple fact he cuts & pastes the same spam 2,3 times a day.
You can find his same comments on other videos, watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8 , watch?v=saeky9I5T9c&feature=related and watch?v=quTXwTjgfc0
he is just a nut bag zionutter hate monger
flumoxed2 8 months ago
i know you're going to respond to this but please keep it short. try to fit it in one comment.
HorseMetal90 8 months ago
i didnt get the responses but if it's of the same sort then i'm ok.
HorseMetal90 8 months ago
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The holy Torah,the NT of Jesus,and also the Quran,all of them wrote that the holy land belong to sons of Israel.old maps wrote holy land of 12 tribes.
WHERE is Palestine in all these books NONE of word.??????
LOOK IN THE QURAN SURA 5:20-26
LOOK ALSO ZABUR 105:9,135:12,136:22
PALESTINIANS NEEDS TO GO TO THEY HOMES> JORDAN,GAZA.
Palestinians occupied the land ,THAT BELONG TO 12 TRIBES OF Israel.
you must know that i am not supporting in killing innocent people,in the both side's.
ISEL333 8 months ago
"Palestinians killed 1,083 Israelis in Israel and in the territories in the last 10 years," said B'Tselem. "Seven-hundred and forty-one of the killed were citizens, 124 of them were minors, and 342 were security personnel."
flumoxed2 8 months ago
To make life easier, they are shot if they try to harvest crops within half a kilometre of the wall.Then there is the little problem of children dying from hunger and lack of basic medicines. All that while Israel has been building 300,000 homes (illegally) on the West Bank and the right of return has been denied. Israel flourishes and Palestinians are squeezed to death - literally.
flumoxed2 8 months ago
I think most Americans understand that something must be done to support the revolutions taking place across the Arab world in the hope that the seeds of democracy and equality may be planted. There exists one major difference between the regimes in Tripoli, Damascus and elsewhere and the regime in Tel Aviv - none of the despotic Arab regimes receive massive arms shipments, while the Israeli regime receives three billion dollars in weapons every year.
flumoxed2 8 month