#1 GNOSTIC HERESIES AND MODERN BIBLE VERSIONS

[LifeLibertyLove]

The description in this video is blatently false to the point of lieing. I suggest the owner of the video correct it.

Gnostics acknowledge... the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His miracles, His bodily resurrection, that Jesus was also the Christ.

Gnostics believe all these things, in fact they believed them before the mainstream church beleived them.

[astrofrk]

@LifeLibertyLove I would again have to say: "SOME believed" in bodily Resurrection, virgin birth, ect... not all did.

I personally believe the one within Jesus (the Logos) was resurrected. What matters to most Gnostic Christians isn't how he was born or died anyways, or even who he was. What's most import was how he lived and what he taught. Blind faith is not required, a very personal relationship with the Christ, now within us and Sophia (Holy Spirit) is required and this is Gnosis.

[LifeLibertyLove]

@astrofrk Death and Resurrection is very important to Gnostics but you must first understand what Death and Resurrection means. First Jesus was resurrected and then he died the third day.

[astrofrk]

@LifeLibertyLove I think I understand what you mean. However, the biblical dates don't make sence and do not add up to three days and as little as a day and a half. What does it matter how one dies? Isn't how one lives more important,what they say? One cannot find elightenment by reading a book written by men anymore than I can know you by reading a book about you written by a third source. The only way to really know you is direct communication and that is gnosis.

[LifeLibertyLove]

@astrofrk Well books contain dead letters, Spirit bring the dead letters to life. It matters how one dies because mors janua vitae.

[astrofrk]

The Gospel of Thomas predates the Cannon Gospels. I am a Valentinian Gnostic Christian, who followed Paul, I have nothing to do with Clement. There were a dozen different Gnostic beliefs. Anyone that says "Gnostics Believed..." is a liar and I can prove it. The Nician Churches wiped us out centuries ago and we are back. We grow while mainstream churches empty because people see past the lies of Clergy. Jesus did no tell you to go to church but to BE the church, that'swhy they wiped us out.

[LifeLibertyLove]

@astrofrk Gnosticism could be used to describe a very vague system(yet very complex in details), for example I would describe the Cathars as Gnostics. Anyone who believes the world is an illusion/and/or/lower creation and believes knowledge of self is more important to salvation than belief I would describe as a Gnostic.

[astrofrk]

@LifeLibertyLove Thank you very much, you are far closer than most on YouTube who talk about us. Cathars were Gnostics but we vary more than a Catholic does from Penticostals. The world is an illusion or test and the greater reallity of the Theos (God) is the true reality. However, it is not ourselves but Yeshua (Jesus) within us that is our salvation, by my belief. Therefore, there is no need for clergy if you listen to Yeshua and Sophia (The Holy Spirit) clergy isn't in the bible. WBS.

[GitanoRenegado]

Pure ignorance.

[turtle4aire]

@GitanoRenegado It sure is that bad for the people to be so Ignorant to what the Gnostic believes ! I too am with you in the clearing up the Ignorance of the Gnosticism preaching ! When you say Jesus was not the son of God and Peter was a nobody. WOW everybody in their right mine knows that is a ignorant thing to think !

[ariela333]

selling the bible again.....you Devil! can't you make money any other way devil? he that turns his ear from the Word of God, even his prayer is an abomination....

[billyjoesgirl]

actually i was wondering. thanks! hey, and i even found you entertaining. yabouldoth? what the..? you know,  i think he must be the equivalent to lucifer. speaking of, do a vid on luciferianism, eh. i'm curious - what's THAT all about? :}

[XSC3]

"Baptist churches" in "Southern Wales" in the "1st century"? Great claim, now lets see the evidence for that claim, tony.

An old tactic by many to prove their recent sect goes all the way back to the original Christians, is to identify with some ancient heresy. Show us this ancient heresy, that it really was so ancient and that it taught what you believe. Or is this a claim I need to take on faith?

[XSC3]

Again, according to your "Sola Scriptura" (unproven) assumption, Peter would need to write "I am infallible, btw" for it to be a true Christian doctrine (but then folks like yourself would claim it applied only to Peter and no one after him). Muslims similarly deny Christ is God because he doesn't say "I am God." Peter doesn't "claim to be infallible" (and does not need to). However he made some pretty bold claims which God honored (as Christ promised they would be). See for example Acts 5.

[turtle4aire]

@XSC3 There is one time Jesus spoke in the bible that when questioned as to being with God or What ? He said if you see me, you see the Father ! If you look at him and then you are told you are seeing God. That clears it up to a great deal and both are the same !

[XSC3]

@turtle4aire the Gnostic idea that the creator and the "Father" Jesus spoke of are two different (rival) Gods (or that the God worshiped by the Jews is a false pretender) are flat out wrong. I'm a Trinitarian. See, this can be argued from Scripture, but also it's the Tradition of the Church. If there is some doubt, quibbling over bible verses, we can look at the constant interpretation of the Fathers, who inherited from the Apostles (the canon itself relies upon tradition).

[XSC3]

And of course when I say Trinitarianism, I'm not a Modalist (those folks say that there is only one "person" in the Godhead, I disagree, it is three eternal divine persons, but not "Three Gods" as Muslims accuse us of believing, or as apparently Mormons believe).

[XSC3]

this is only a problem if you believe that salvation is through the Bible alone... most Christians have not historically held to such a position.

[tonyb408]

You mean that most Christians that did not follow the Bible and became Catholic. Since the time of the Apostles there have been believers that have held the Bible as the rule of all matters of faith and practice. Before the apostles died there was a problem w/ false doctrine in the church. So just because some early church fathers started a tradition, does not make it proper practice. If you cant prove it from the Word of God, it is better to err on the side of caution and not do it.

[XSC3]

Unfortunately for your argument, this notion (of "Scripture Alone," never mind "salvation by scripture alone") was unknown amongst Christians prior to the Protestant Reformation. It's funny that you'd try to define "Catholic" apart from Christian and imply it means "not following the Bible." The Catholic Church created the Bible as we know it, before any Christian believer in "sola scriptura" was ever born.

[tonyb408]

Lets talk history; there were Baptist churches in South wales before the end of the 1st century. Ironically, 1 founded by Claudia and her Husband Pudens. You might recognize those names mentioned in your Bible. Clearly Baptists hold to Bible doctrines while Popish persons hold to whatever the Pope says the Bible means even when it says the opposite. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the 1st century is just a few years before the Reformation.

[Questfortruth86]

This is a dilemma in which I have been struggling with for a very long time. It comes down to, Are men supposed to uncover all the knowledge in the universe and essentially become gods? Or are we to be humble and understand our place in the cosmos while respecting and obeying our almighty creator, God. Men tend to choose the first option as humility is seemingly foreign to our nature, but one must ask, what is the truth? The consequences and teachings of both thoughts have been destructive.

[silviavas1]

if you have the all mighty by your side why are you afraid? jesus did not criticize any religion but to those who practiced them, like the members, not their religion (because he was knowledgeable of their practices).

In my opinion it seems that you portrait the Romans when they slaughtered Christians.

Before you criticize its probably a bit smart to know what you're trying to base your opinion on, rather than parading slander.

[BishopAndrewSolomon]

Eusebius, Origen and Clement of Alexandria weren't Gnostics. They were Catholics. These men were responsible for the banning and burning of gnostic books. The first recognized gnostic heretic was Marcion, who was excommunicated from the Catholic church in 140 A.D. Prior to that, gnostic writings included the epistles of Paul and the apocalypse of John - both of which present Jesus as a spirit who appears in visions, not a homeless magician, failed messiah or the walking dead (as in the gospels).

[elessarelfstar]

The gnostics used the Paul's books, but that did not mean that they were indeed gnostic. The church fathers had a hard decision to make, because they didn't think Paul's books were gnostic, but there was so much gnosticism associated with them. But they decided they were too important to leave behind. Sanders (atheist) work in the 70s proved beyond a doubt that Paul's works were very very Jewish, not gnostic.

[tonyb408]

Its cool that you mention Origen was a Catholic, especially since they anathematized him later. He believed in reincarnation, did not believe in the bodily resurrection, progressive purification and purging of the soul, and only believed the Bible allegorically. Your're right, he was a GREAT catholic, but not a good Christian.

[XSC3]

you can find people today who identify as "Catholic" whose ideas are at odds with the Church, just as you can find the same in any other denomination or religion that has ever existed. tonyb408, I suggest you learn some history before you try to define "Catholic" as "not Christian." You're sadly ignorant on just where your own beliefs came from (hint:"sola scriptura" is not found in Scripture, and to define Scripture, you need an infallible authority outside of the bible anyway)

[tonyb408]

According the 1st Pope, no prophecy is of any private interpretation 2Pet 1:20; so I don't need an infallible teacher to tell me what scripture says. By the way, when did Peter claim to be infallible? I can't seem to find where he said that in either of his epistles. Also, can you show me from the Bible where Peter was in Rome and where he commanded us to pray to that sinner Mary for intercession?

[XSC3]

tony, you know that can't work, because if we read it the way you just did, that means you can't interpret Scripture AT ALL.

Rather, what the sacred author is telling us is that Prophecy will happen the way God intended it, not the way we might want it to occur. So proper interpretation is all the more necessary to understand (however imperfectly) God's will and plan as revealed to us.

[princenaidu]

There is only one God. We just worship God by various methods. God is like the big blue ocean, all religions and beliefs are like rivers and streams. Humankind is the drop of water. It doesn't matter which river or stream you take, as long as you walk in faith and live in truth. It is what is in your heart that matters. Look with your heart and not with your eyes. God lives in us and all around us. God is in everything that is living. Peace and Love to all who reads this message.

[gideonsaul]

Are you Roman Catholic? We don't all have the same God. Some of us believe in Jesus Christ, the son of God who is God and others (Islam), do not believe that Jesus Christ is God. The Vatican and Papacy (Leaders of the Inquisition) are pushing the Interfaith movement and it's very wrong.

[princenaidu]

It doesn't matter what your believes are.

Do you walk in faith and live in truth? Think about that question for a while before answering it.

Peace and Love be unto you.

[gideonsaul]

I don't need to think long. Walking by faith and living in truth is through Jesus Christ and HIS living word, the Holy Bible. Do you believe that Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is your only God and that he is the only gate to Heaven? I pray so. Shalom..

[XSC3]

what does the "Inquisition" have to do with right belief? Absolutely nothing. No more than the crimes of Protestants disprove protestant beliefs (it only shows that espousing a belief and living one's self in perfect accordance with that belief are two different things)

[XSC3]

you almost had me there gideonsaul, but this idea that the "Vatican is pushing the interfaith movement" has raised a few red flags. WHAT IS IT that you think "the Vatican" is pushing and why is it "very wrong"? Last I checked, the Roman Catholic Church STILL teaches that Christ is the way the truth and the life and that everyone who is saved, is saved by him, NOT by "other gods" or false religions. I think you may fundamentally misunderstand some things

[tonyb408]

Then you need to read your most recent Catechism. sec 839 & 840 Jews don't need salvation since they are already saved by being Jewish; sec 841 Says that muslims are saved by virtue of their faith in the God of Abraham; sec 847 states that a person may achieve eternal salvation if they don't know the Church exists and they try to do His will as they know it. So if Jesus Christ is the way, that is not what the official position your church holds for these groups.

[XSC3]

Perhaps again you need to actually read it, instead of paraphrasing what you think it says.

Re-read 839 & 840, I'll send you the complete texts... they say nothing about the Jews being "saved" never mind for simply "being Jewish." There is no get out of jail free card in Catholic teaching based on one's ethnic background or membership in a certain religion. You similarly have caricatured the other sections as I will demonstrate to you in PM, tony.

[dantem2005]

@tonyb408 The catechism is not the word of God, in the Bible it is written that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, Jews or Muslims, it does'nt talk about different ways

[DryBONESreborn]

Either there is 3 gods or one God who is JESUS--Yahweh the Father- and Holy Spirit. God himself has to be equal with HIMSELF! God formed a body, He can make it sinful!

[XSC3]

The Trinity has never been a belief in three gods, nor is it modalism (ie: "God has three hats that he puts on). Rather it is three eternal persons in ONE Godhead. Jesus Christ (The Word) is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father (the Creator) is God. Three persons, not three gods. The Word is uncreated, just like the other two.

[gabosj316]

the question is, that happens with the people who accepted to Jesus Christ by means of the queen valera 1960,

they went to hell ?

perhaps God I leave to the different countries from the world without its word?

think you very well?

[fbcsdbm]

if you believe that God preserved His word in the Traditional Text, then yes, it is important.

[XSC3]

@fbcsdbm, what "Traditional Text" are you talking about? Hopefully you're not referring to "King James Onlyism," because that's clearly nonsense. It's no better than the idea that God only speaks Arabic.

[firstritestelevision]

scientology is related to gnosticism

[B3boy]

LIARS, INCORPORATED

[tzephon]

The sound quality is poor but this video is worth paying attention to.