@GoldInSin What ON EARTH is wrong with you??? People are being kidnapped, against their wishes, emotionally blackmailed by their familes, essentially raped, and then the whole cycle starts again when they are old women conding the same behaviour from their sons. IS THIS HONESTLY COMPARABLE TO DIVORCE STATISTICS "IN THE WEST?" Get a heart. Get a brain.
come on people , this is a diverse practice around the world not only muslim or central asian countries . make research first before judging..be an intellectual person will ya
bride kidnapping has nothing to do with Islam or any religion it's a tradition which is saddly a very important part of a lot of people's lives in this world
The girls have to be so freaked out. I'd be scared out of my mind if some creepy old sweaty men were kidnapping saying i HAVE to marry one of them . F that.
And where did the European tradition of the Best Man come from? An old Germanic tradition of taking your strongest friend (best man) to help kidnap your bride from a neighboring village. And to help fight off rescue attempts during the wedding. Kidnapping your bride is nothing new, or particularly Islamic.
@CaligirlSofia Sadly, forced marriages happen a lot more than you think in "Muslim" countries.I'm nt saying all Muslims r like that but because it is so prevalent in Muslim countries many people think it's a Muslim thing.True Muslims should be more pro-active in shaming these things when they happen,they often don't. I should know.My best friend was forced to marry,she told her parents,her in-laws knew it,everybody. The now-husband is her cousin he knew it, they're all in it.All of them Muslims.
@pattyrodriguez2 you do realize there are over 45 muslim countries right? not all of them do it, yes its common in some but not common in others, for something to be a muslim thing it has to be in the Quran, hadith and ppl must be doing it for those reasons, none of which is happen, as it is not in any Islamic scriptures, it is a cultural thing common in asian and some arab countries, common in many nonmuslim countries you just have to open your eyes
Well, that is the problem with Islam, everybody makes their own interpretation and there is no central authority to give the last word. Some say the Islam orders them to commit terrorist attacks, others say Islamic law allows them to kidnap a woman, that is why State-law and not Religious-law must apply.
@ElBurroQueVaAMarte As much as people believe in religions, if spiritual belief comes to conflict with an extremely important aspect of their life (economic usually) then I find that people would rather reexamine the religion than the custom. That's just the way the world works IMHO.
@ElBurroQueVaAMarte WELL SAID!!!! I couldn't have put it better myself. It should be punishable in their constitution but politicians are more concerned with agreeing with traditions for fear of loosing votes than doing the righ thing. However, it's apalling that forced marriages and kidnapping go on because "it's tradition" in a country where the very Q'ran protect women's rights. If Muslims are so rightful then, shouldn't they safeguard their women?
this has nothing to do with islam, its just local tradition.. a lot of countries of the region does have similar cultures..
the film-making duo UK & Al Jazeera's host and surrounding countries have either the worst divorce rate or the worst woman's right's violations in the world and yet they still trying to make other cultures look bad on this issue.. (.. I assumed Antony Butts is englishman.. working for Al Jazeera for this film..)
@chotgor1 Very true --- many parts of India have had similar customs at one point but people there are, for the most part, Hindus and Sikhs. Religions, in practice, are too loosely interpreted and molded to pre-existing frameworks for any categorical blame to be assigned.
@chotgor1 I would rather live in a country where I marry only with consent, and have the right to divorce if my partner turns out to be violent or mistreats me. I don't see how a low divorce rate is something to be proud of, if the only reason it is low is because nobody has a choice other than marriage against their will, or suicide.
they just want to fuck. creatures showing this kind of aggresive behaviour to get some pun, are called dogs. watching this makes me puke!!!!! fuck those men hard and deep in their asses.
haha dats soo bull man! ppl plz dnt misunderstand islam, our religion says nofng bout forcing a girl 2marry! n part 1 says bout dawry, dawry doesnt mean give money n buy d girl itz lyk givin sumfng 2 d bride as a girt den marry her even a steel ring will do. PPl mk bare craps up bout islam man, anways dat was one sad video poor girl!may allah punish dem ppl who tk girls as a toy!
this is just extremly barbaric. Me being from a culture that also had this tradition of kidnapping brides but was abandoned ages ago. dang people should wake up and stop being so barbaric..this is really villager behavior.
its a matter of great shame n this is not a manly work,even satan wont do this,,the curse of the kidnapped will hit very badly,,traditions r made by ppl,,they can be changed,Allah make these ppl get rid of this tradition,,because of these things this country is so poor,,i felt like crying watching this video,,,shame on ppl doing this,,they will repent 1 day when their daughter,sisters r married this way,,on judgement day u will be accountable for this
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This is so similar to our tradition. But we are Hmong(Miao). This practice is still practice in Southeast Asia, and in the the U.S. for us. But one out of ten in the U.S. now, are that the man will be in jail if the girl doesn't agree to marry him. Hahahah...I kidknapped my friend's girl for him. I hope they don't forget about me because they're rich and very happy together now.
It is debatable whether bride kidnapping is actually traditional. Some of the confusion may stem from the fact that arranged marriages were traditional, and one of the ways to escape an arranged marriage was to arrange a consensual "kidnapping."
ok, islam or tradition doesn't matter, what MATTER is that bride kidnapping is FACT, and it's still will be taking place there because it's real life over there. I'm kyrgyz lady, I used to be terrified visiting my grandma cause they could do same thing to me, in front of me used to happened dramatic scenes, that will traumatize you for rest of your life. I couldn't believe my eyes, because that "groom Ilyas" is accually my classmate. We used to go to same middle school. I love my country KG :)
this is not a common practice in Kyrgyzstan!I am as well shocked, as many other foreigners are. I feel sorry that people may get impression of my country judging from this video. These people form video do not represent kyrgyz people generally.
In my case, when I was a witness for such a kidnapping, it happend only once in my surrounding, 15-18 years ago, and the girl left, because during 3 days that she stayed in the place of the"groom", she made all people clear she won't stay. And I was really impressed by her, and it was the brightest impression from my childhood.
5) Moreover, when kidnapped, girls are usually very young, average age is 16 years old, so they don't have their own will, they cannot protect themselvs, nor can they insist on their own will. They r influenced by adults (like those old women claiming it is the normal way of living). But when they really DO fight, and not obey to the end, they let her go. And if you are insistent enough, you may get hose people sued and jail
no proof whatsoever bring me proof from quran. btw hadith is secondary source just like history books anything contradicting Quran can be thrown out. So yeah bring proof from Quran or then stfu.
These people follow ancient culture they re decendants of gengis khan what do u expect.
Didnt you hear the kidnapper themsleves saying that in their first part. dumbfuck/
@KyrgyzKyzAya Historically fact, Kyrgys got most of there asian DNA when the mongols conquered Asia, you were more european looking before that.. Go google your history they even claim the mongols changed there looks
I think your talking about Kazakh people! they think they have Mongolian dna but Kyrgyz would never say that!!!!! Kazakh people also say they are decendants of Gengis Khan!
And Kyrgyz people would never say they are decendants of Gengis Khan because he almost wiped out the Kyrgyz race!!!!!!!
okay yes maybe Kyrgyz have mongolian dna but that is small number! Kyrgyz tried not to mix with mogols!!!
yes kyrgyz were european like but we got mixed up with Chinese people not Mongols!
4) Some people DO misuse this tradition, and kidnapp without consent of a young woman. But this happens only in remote areas, and mainly in the south of the country, where they do have different mentality (I personally think they have more common with bordering uzbeks, than with northern and central Kyrgyzstan).
Well, let me comment on this video, since I am kyrgyz girl and as a child was a witness to such kidnapping:
1) It has nothing to do with Islam, and these people are not muslims, they are nomands
2) There is such a practice, however it is not widely used.
3) This tradition of kidnapping is supposed to have more depth - it was supposed to be romantic and beautiful tradition, like a play, where each character plays his/her own role, but of course with consent of each party.
Bride Kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan was the most disturbing documentary i've even seen. when i saw these ppl being forced to marry someone they don't know, i felt like reaching into the screen and getting them away from them. in 1 case, a girl didn't want her friend to be kidnapped, so the kidnapper and his brothers took her instead. thank god the family let her go
i'm shocked that even the women in the kidnapper's family were supporting it
the translater was born in Kyrgyzstan and i found it surprisng that her mother was planning to have her return home just to have her kidnapped too. thankfully she married some guy in america instead. there as another case when a kidnapped 17 year old killed herself because she didn't want to stay.
i don't give a shit about it being a custom. they're basically saying "fuck human rights" i can't imagine being in that situation. that shit was abolished decades ago, it shouldve stayed that way
This tradition has nothing to do with Islam. Kyrgyz people used to kidnap even before the birth of Muhammad. In the video she says many times: "Kuday" (God in Kyrgyz) and not Allah.
She has no choice so may Kuday bless their mariage.She will stay with him and they will have children. No divorce. It is better than being one of five wives of a mislim or a prostitute without husband and home.
first i would like to slap the grandmas.. beat up the guys ... kidnapped their sisters and let em suffer trama.. fuck these ppl man.. i want to kidnapped these ppl's daughters .. let em get screwed and throw em on the street.. Lets see how they feel now bout kidnapping
breaks my heart to see this happening God that would feel like death for a girl May Allah give them patience and may Allah remove this stupid thing really this isn't marriage !!
and I am repulsed and disgusted by this video and even angry . as one of the pillars of marriage in islam is the consent of the daughter and the parents as without it the marriage is considered void.
fundamental religion is often a legitimate contribution for not changing tradition that goes against human rights. Fundamental religion encourages us to keep thinking the same way, not to rethink things for better social outcomes.
Strashilka urodlivaya, v kajdom obshestve byvaet svoi traditsii i sovsem drugie vzglyady na veshi. Sovestkaya vlast' v techenii 70 let ne smogla unichtjit' nashi obychyi. I zdes' s poyavilis' takie kak ty i na ves' mir nachinayut pokazyvat' chto i kak u nas, ne razdumyvaya kak eto ploho mojet otrazitsya na vsyu nashu stranu. Iz za kakih to grantov takie kak ty portyat nas kak natsiyu. Wake up you stupid idiot.
I would like to apologize for my previous comment. I latched on to a small scene to spout my uncomfortableness with this report. When I finished this documentary, I realized that this was an exclusive look into a world of its own and there were many interesting documentations contained within. Again, my apologies for being short sided.
I'm going to say something that even I don't like. But...
This is not a journalistic report. A journalists job is to record what's happening. Documentaries that carry their integrity do not try to so directly manipulate the scene they are filming.
While I respect this film for what it is, and I appreciate that I've seen it, I do not feel it is appropriate for an organizations that purports itself as 'news' to be having their reporters directly influencing the situation. It's not journalism.
Muslim women are not to be foreced to marry anyone out of their will. The marriage will be considered null and invalid if a father forces his daughter to marry without her consent.
There is lots of gray area however on what is consider muslim tradition or law in so many different parts of the world.
Also, if you kidnap a woman, and then hold her for several days, you are already taking and holding her against her will, and this goes against human dignity!
Re: aishaa22 ....what a load of crap....no muslim woman would be game to divorce he husband...If her husband didn't kill her, her own family would have out of honor...haven't you ever heard of honor killings?
if a girl is forced without he consent her marriage is invalid according to islamic law, and the so called husband is taken as a rapist and must be punished.. its sad that these ppl claim to be Muslims yet follow such an evil tradition which apposes Islam to this extent...
@aishaa22 but WHO is there to enforce this islamic law? all religions are used by the powerful for their own benefits be it sexual political financial same shit even ALL religions teach different
@aishaa22 too many people confuse islam from the allah, the messanger and of the heart with conventional and cultural islam which is all too many times haraam
@aishaa22 Sister these pple r mongols live in central asia,they don't care about Islam.If u just cross the border from kyrgizistan into uzbekistan u will find Islam,land of Bukhari,Termidi,Moturudi etc.We muslims r not being victorious in Afg'tan becoz of these sort of muslims.When we practice our religion properly we get nasr of Allah.
its not a muslim thing actually, its a tradition, it is practiced in other countries that are not muslim, like laos, ethiopia and rwanda, its a cultural tradition and not islamic at all, im muslim and this is very bizarre to me too
First of all there not muslims. That is not the Islam. Muslims dont drink alcohol. And surely not steal a bride. At least theres no raping there, look at America, men go around and rape women. Have you seen the statistics??
I agree with you about this not being true ideal Islam. But I don't agree with you saying they're not raping these women. You can never be sure there's no sick lunatics running round and doing that to random women, and on top of that, this may very well be tantamount to rape, because the woman didn't consent to getting taken in the first place and because you have to consummate a marriage with sex - which she probably wouldn't appreciate if she didn't appreciate the first part of the process.
There might be raping, but not as much as the U.S. ???? Theres too many uneducated villagers. All they need is some Education. Bride stealing is the most common form of marriage known to the Kyrgyzstani people. I think we should first fix the problems in America, then talk about other countries.
The rape statistics in the US are high because women are not afraid to report them. Do you think the wives in these countries would run to the police or stats bureau or wherever else with their information?
I don't agree with this. In fact, it pisses me off. It's not so much that it's the West trying to intervene on the East. It's more that the women don't even like it and as for the older women, they just got used to it. If the receiving party doesn't want in, then it's wrong and that's what we should gauge things by.
And if it were me getting stolen, I'd make sure I give him hell every day of his life.
I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if spousal abuse was not "tradition" in that society also. Not to sound like a silly, arrogant Westerner, but they consistently showed machismo and I can imagine that "keeping your woman in line" might also be a common reality for many brides.
Gotta point there. Probably why the older women are ok with it. They were probably told, "Be ok with me kidnapping from your family or I'll beat the crap out of you."
I am sure due to some genetic disorders evolution of muslims were stopped in the stone-age/Jurassic era and hence they are still practicing and behaving like apes.
Look, the boyfriend was a sissy, he left the girl. The man was a good hard working man that will take good care of his wife. They have a very happy family. I fail to see anything wrong with them or their culture. Although I see many wrong things with the western culture of today where women don't even take care of their children anymore.
are you out of your mind? Stealing human beings is not a bad thing??? where the hell have u been raised? this is strictly against humanity, against Islam and against morality. you are sick , there should be a strict Islamic rule over there whereby people like should be punished severely. I think under Islamic rule the punishment for such a crime is Chopping off both hands.
Islam preaches that women and men should meet each other before marriage and talk about their future.
Yes I agree it could be a little more.. peaceful. But still if 80% of the country kidnaps it is not against their religion. If they all agree about it, they don't have a problem, it is western culture that condones it. I could write about many human rights abuses in west that have no reason what so ever, at least they are happy and have a good reason.
so if you see someone drinking his piss, you will do the same too? why do you even want to measure your morality to that of west? who made west a measuring stick for humanity? and besides religion doesnt get created through democracy. it is the will of God not the will of majority of people that determines the divine rulings.
If everyone drank piss from the beginning of times you would drink it too. And it is I that must ask you, what is this stick of morality? It is you that is trying to impose your morality on these people. And I disagree, religion is created by the people and can be changed whenever they want to.
Plus he didn't rape her, and she was free to escape. Do you think if it was all such a bad thing all those women wouldn't be angry about it? They were really happy. I agree it was a shock but the outcome was good.
Good, so lets both go to this place but you bring your mom too. then i will kidnap ur mom and make her the happiest woman in that fucked up country. I ll invite you to her wedding too.
But surely acceptance cannot be the judge of right and wrong. Female circumcision is a heinous act, yet it is an accepted practice throughout portions of Africa and the Middle East. Sure the women learn to live with it and it is a part of their tradition, but it is completely reprehensible and ought to be stopped.
Yes in this I agree, acceptance is only part of the judgment and circumcision I see as useless and barbaric both on women and men.
But this I don't see as reprehensible, they are not forced to do more than stay a night at the spouses house, which is hardly a human rights abuse. If they really want to leave there is nothing stopping them.
Usually if a girl has stayed with another man for a night, even if forced, her virginity is questioned. It is very hard for those girls to get married then. So many girls do not refuse because they cannot get married if they do.
I really doubt this applies, if the family doesn't tell anything to the possible new husband he will happily marry. Also, there have being tests for virginity for thousands of years, if the girl wants to prove her virginity this shouldn't be a problem. Unless she is actually not a virgin anymore.
I mean, if she does not want to marry this man she can go away and marry a new one. The new one would not know if she was abducted before, hence she is not forced to marry this one or anyone.
If it were that easy, a lot of girls would choose to do that. Except, you can see that the girl is pressured by her parents in the video. Girls who do that bring a lot of shame to their families and they don't have anywhere to turn to if they choose to refuse. It might be difficult to understand since they're so different but it does happen and the majority of girls in that country are wed like that.
Then the problem is the parents. Well, it is another culture, it seems very similar to an arranged marriage. The man can't really be blamed, he is forced to do that. From a womans perspective it may seem as a bad thing, if I were a woman I would think this too. It is just that I understand the man, I wouldn't do it, but it is understandable. A lone woman could do the same. It is a good way to keep the families going, but bad for the woman.
that's what pisses me off about it, calling it a 'tradition'. if there's a tradition that violates one's rights as a human being, they need to fucking break from it. there were some cases when things ended happily, but for the most part they did not. seeing one documentary of it just appaulls me, even as a young man. ppl these days need to stop bitching about petty things like claiming "RE5 is racist!!!" and focus on removing practices like this and burying kids alive from this world
is it me or do all the older women and men look alike ..did u c when the old women all came in they were all fat and looked the same to me...hhuhh weird looking ppl with even weirder treditions
with all the bad that the soviet union had done, at least they brought civilization to many of the people. Too bad that they didn't stay long enough in Kyrgistan to kill this savage tradition
well, if a society is going to change it has to from the inside, no one likes outsiders to make value judgements on their own culture/society. We all have standard practices that may be disgusting or ridiculous to someone foreign.
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Denmarkpwns 3 seconds ago
these people are fucked in the head
PorkChopMissPiggy 1 week ago
arranged marriage seems so good right now.
itskanakana 2 weeks ago
they talk like horses lol grush grush grush LMAO
scooterkillz 3 weeks ago
@GoldInSin What ON EARTH is wrong with you??? People are being kidnapped, against their wishes, emotionally blackmailed by their familes, essentially raped, and then the whole cycle starts again when they are old women conding the same behaviour from their sons. IS THIS HONESTLY COMPARABLE TO DIVORCE STATISTICS "IN THE WEST?" Get a heart. Get a brain.
yaseminguven64 2 months ago
come on people , this is a diverse practice around the world not only muslim or central asian countries . make research first before judging..be an intellectual person will ya
Amandalx21 3 months ago
What language are they speaking? Sounds french
13MintKeys 3 months ago
@13MintKeys i think russian.
itskanakana 2 weeks ago
wtf is wrong with the goat @ 10:41 ?
Torcida12Rotterdam 6 months ago
@Torcida12Rotterdam thats not a goat..its a sheep..
zambonie86 6 months ago
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Same shitt to me. But you didint answer my quieston. That ''sheep'' looks weird.
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bride kidnapping has nothing to do with Islam or any religion it's a tradition which is saddly a very important part of a lot of people's lives in this world
morganite100 7 months ago
I think her boyfriend is a pussy!!!
MissAziza1 9 months ago 4
Wow I had no idea how powerful Stockholm syndrome was until now. Generations and generations of women have fallen to it. It is so sad.
strawbarie 9 months ago
These men should die for what they do to women.
wrsda 9 months ago
The girls have to be so freaked out. I'd be scared out of my mind if some creepy old sweaty men were kidnapping saying i HAVE to marry one of them . F that.
MsBlondeBombshell34 10 months ago
@MsBlondeBombshell34 youd be safe they dont kidnap sluts!
elctronicmusic 7 months ago
C'mon!!! What century do they think they live in? It is currently a century of equality, wake up!!!
Such a disgraceful shameful archaic coward fucking cultural ancestral tradition that must be socially iradicated!
And these women are the worst!!! Selfish undignified poor-minded souls that actually promote that blasted tradition!
I'm not muslim but i hope their god has turned their back on them. They shouldnt even say His name!
ahoatua 10 months ago
Wow the boyfriend just left her cold because he didnt slide into home base first even though she may have been forced. Messed up.
Sighphi 1 year ago 5
Asian gypsies lol.
dimuha87 1 year ago
Ujas!!!! Ya tak ne ho4uuuuu
Gulirka 1 year ago
this sucks. what about the feeling of the woman???!
this isn't just kidnapping
ojstrike 1 year ago
And where did the European tradition of the Best Man come from? An old Germanic tradition of taking your strongest friend (best man) to help kidnap your bride from a neighboring village. And to help fight off rescue attempts during the wedding. Kidnapping your bride is nothing new, or particularly Islamic.
Tukarama 1 year ago
@Tukarama
its not islamic what so ever, its a tradition, i am muslim and i have never heard of this
CaligirlSofia 1 year ago
@CaligirlSofia Sadly, forced marriages happen a lot more than you think in "Muslim" countries.I'm nt saying all Muslims r like that but because it is so prevalent in Muslim countries many people think it's a Muslim thing.True Muslims should be more pro-active in shaming these things when they happen,they often don't. I should know.My best friend was forced to marry,she told her parents,her in-laws knew it,everybody. The now-husband is her cousin he knew it, they're all in it.All of them Muslims.
pattyrodriguez2 1 year ago
@pattyrodriguez2 you do realize there are over 45 muslim countries right? not all of them do it, yes its common in some but not common in others, for something to be a muslim thing it has to be in the Quran, hadith and ppl must be doing it for those reasons, none of which is happen, as it is not in any Islamic scriptures, it is a cultural thing common in asian and some arab countries, common in many nonmuslim countries you just have to open your eyes
CaligirlSofia 1 year ago
Well, that is the problem with Islam, everybody makes their own interpretation and there is no central authority to give the last word. Some say the Islam orders them to commit terrorist attacks, others say Islamic law allows them to kidnap a woman, that is why State-law and not Religious-law must apply.
ElBurroQueVaAMarte 1 year ago 3
@ElBurroQueVaAMarte As much as people believe in religions, if spiritual belief comes to conflict with an extremely important aspect of their life (economic usually) then I find that people would rather reexamine the religion than the custom. That's just the way the world works IMHO.
leprechaun8121 1 year ago
@ElBurroQueVaAMarte WELL SAID!!!! I couldn't have put it better myself. It should be punishable in their constitution but politicians are more concerned with agreeing with traditions for fear of loosing votes than doing the righ thing. However, it's apalling that forced marriages and kidnapping go on because "it's tradition" in a country where the very Q'ran protect women's rights. If Muslims are so rightful then, shouldn't they safeguard their women?
pattyrodriguez2 1 year ago
Don't let Kyrgystan people hang around your family. Fucking Freaks
Shawners198 1 year ago
this has nothing to do with islam, its just local tradition.. a lot of countries of the region does have similar cultures..
the film-making duo UK & Al Jazeera's host and surrounding countries have either the worst divorce rate or the worst woman's right's violations in the world and yet they still trying to make other cultures look bad on this issue.. (.. I assumed Antony Butts is englishman.. working for Al Jazeera for this film..)
chotgor1 1 year ago
@chotgor1 Very true --- many parts of India have had similar customs at one point but people there are, for the most part, Hindus and Sikhs. Religions, in practice, are too loosely interpreted and molded to pre-existing frameworks for any categorical blame to be assigned.
leprechaun8121 1 year ago
@chotgor1 I would rather live in a country where I marry only with consent, and have the right to divorce if my partner turns out to be violent or mistreats me. I don't see how a low divorce rate is something to be proud of, if the only reason it is low is because nobody has a choice other than marriage against their will, or suicide.
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i wish this was our system... down with the whore of babylon...
supersymbiotic 1 year ago
they just want to fuck. creatures showing this kind of aggresive behaviour to get some pun, are called dogs. watching this makes me puke!!!!! fuck those men hard and deep in their asses.
pussyStarter 1 year ago
the cowboy music was a grea touch. VIVA KRYGYZSTAN!!!!!
blahman123x 1 year ago
This is degrading and inhumane. Thank God I don't live with that kind of tradition.
Cooldy23 1 year ago 6
Wow. This video has left me speechless. Makes me thankful to be born in the country that I'm in.
cutemidget09 1 year ago 6
Creepy.
icaleod 1 year ago
haha dats soo bull man! ppl plz dnt misunderstand islam, our religion says nofng bout forcing a girl 2marry! n part 1 says bout dawry, dawry doesnt mean give money n buy d girl itz lyk givin sumfng 2 d bride as a girt den marry her even a steel ring will do. PPl mk bare craps up bout islam man, anways dat was one sad video poor girl!may allah punish dem ppl who tk girls as a toy!
bungibungi 1 year ago
SAVAGES...
WHOWHAT11 1 year ago 2
this is just extremly barbaric. Me being from a culture that also had this tradition of kidnapping brides but was abandoned ages ago. dang people should wake up and stop being so barbaric..this is really villager behavior.
blackjacktrippin 1 year ago 2
Love shouldn't be about virginal blood!
lilah66 1 year ago 12
its a matter of great shame n this is not a manly work,even satan wont do this,,the curse of the kidnapped will hit very badly,,traditions r made by ppl,,they can be changed,Allah make these ppl get rid of this tradition,,because of these things this country is so poor,,i felt like crying watching this video,,,shame on ppl doing this,,they will repent 1 day when their daughter,sisters r married this way,,on judgement day u will be accountable for this
ind1484 1 year ago
This is wrong
Xzibillion 1 year ago 3
I feel sick to my stomach.......
cameljoe212 1 year ago 2
Mahomet kidnapped sex slaves, didn't he?
He wrote in sura 4:24 it is permissible to rape sex slaves.
aktywacja2007 2 years ago
what the fuck....kidnapping??!!
These kidnappers should be killed...
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This is so similar to our tradition. But we are Hmong(Miao). This practice is still practice in Southeast Asia, and in the the U.S. for us. But one out of ten in the U.S. now, are that the man will be in jail if the girl doesn't agree to marry him. Hahahah...I kidknapped my friend's girl for him. I hope they don't forget about me because they're rich and very happy together now.
jujdubutube09 2 years ago
One of the few good things I can say about Soviet Communism is that they outlawed this practice in the former USSR.
Perhaps exposing this barbaric practice to the world will be the first step in ending bride kidnapping...
nightfrog65 2 years ago 5
This is very sad .
artemis12061966 2 years ago 3
Makes me seriously SICK ! how could you !
nemesisneo 2 years ago
It is debatable whether bride kidnapping is actually traditional. Some of the confusion may stem from the fact that arranged marriages were traditional, and one of the ways to escape an arranged marriage was to arrange a consensual "kidnapping."
aliyaibr84 2 years ago
ok, islam or tradition doesn't matter, what MATTER is that bride kidnapping is FACT, and it's still will be taking place there because it's real life over there. I'm kyrgyz lady, I used to be terrified visiting my grandma cause they could do same thing to me, in front of me used to happened dramatic scenes, that will traumatize you for rest of your life. I couldn't believe my eyes, because that "groom Ilyas" is accually my classmate. We used to go to same middle school. I love my country KG :)
asia312kg 2 years ago
this is not a common practice in Kyrgyzstan!I am as well shocked, as many other foreigners are. I feel sorry that people may get impression of my country judging from this video. These people form video do not represent kyrgyz people generally.
aliyaibr84 2 years ago
In my case, when I was a witness for such a kidnapping, it happend only once in my surrounding, 15-18 years ago, and the girl left, because during 3 days that she stayed in the place of the"groom", she made all people clear she won't stay. And I was really impressed by her, and it was the brightest impression from my childhood.
aliyaibr84 2 years ago 2
5) Moreover, when kidnapped, girls are usually very young, average age is 16 years old, so they don't have their own will, they cannot protect themselvs, nor can they insist on their own will. They r influenced by adults (like those old women claiming it is the normal way of living). But when they really DO fight, and not obey to the end, they let her go. And if you are insistent enough, you may get hose people sued and jail
aliyaibr84 2 years ago
@aliyaibr84
"16 years old, so they don't have their own will"
AIsha was 6 - playing with dolls !!!
And 9 when she was deflored by 53 yo Mahomet.
Do you in your heart think he was not EVIL?
aktywacja2007 2 years ago 2
@aktywacja2007
no proof whatsoever bring me proof from quran. btw hadith is secondary source just like history books anything contradicting Quran can be thrown out. So yeah bring proof from Quran or then stfu.
These people follow ancient culture they re decendants of gengis khan what do u expect.
Didnt you hear the kidnapper themsleves saying that in their first part. dumbfuck/
Xzibillion 1 year ago
wtf kyrgyz are not ddecendants of gengis khan!
your soo stupid!!!
yeah kyrgyz people have a really bad traditions but then every culture has bad things too!
KyrgyzKyzAya 1 year ago
@KyrgyzKyzAya Historically fact, Kyrgys got most of there asian DNA when the mongols conquered Asia, you were more european looking before that.. Go google your history they even claim the mongols changed there looks
anhkhoinguyen 1 year ago
@anhkhoinguyen
I think your talking about Kazakh people! they think they have Mongolian dna but Kyrgyz would never say that!!!!! Kazakh people also say they are decendants of Gengis Khan!
And Kyrgyz people would never say they are decendants of Gengis Khan because he almost wiped out the Kyrgyz race!!!!!!!
okay yes maybe Kyrgyz have mongolian dna but that is small number! Kyrgyz tried not to mix with mogols!!!
yes kyrgyz were european like but we got mixed up with Chinese people not Mongols!
KyrgyzKyzAya 1 year ago
4) Some people DO misuse this tradition, and kidnapp without consent of a young woman. But this happens only in remote areas, and mainly in the south of the country, where they do have different mentality (I personally think they have more common with bordering uzbeks, than with northern and central Kyrgyzstan).
aliyaibr84 2 years ago
Well, let me comment on this video, since I am kyrgyz girl and as a child was a witness to such kidnapping:
1) It has nothing to do with Islam, and these people are not muslims, they are nomands
2) There is such a practice, however it is not widely used.
3) This tradition of kidnapping is supposed to have more depth - it was supposed to be romantic and beautiful tradition, like a play, where each character plays his/her own role, but of course with consent of each party.
aliyaibr84 2 years ago
this is taboo in Islam . isn't allow in Islam, but those ppl have a bad tradition, and Islam against those bad tradtions
tanomah99 2 years ago
Bride Kidnapping in Kyrgyzstan was the most disturbing documentary i've even seen. when i saw these ppl being forced to marry someone they don't know, i felt like reaching into the screen and getting them away from them. in 1 case, a girl didn't want her friend to be kidnapped, so the kidnapper and his brothers took her instead. thank god the family let her go
i'm shocked that even the women in the kidnapper's family were supporting it
Sonicthehedgehog1899 2 years ago
the translater was born in Kyrgyzstan and i found it surprisng that her mother was planning to have her return home just to have her kidnapped too. thankfully she married some guy in america instead. there as another case when a kidnapped 17 year old killed herself because she didn't want to stay.
i don't give a shit about it being a custom. they're basically saying "fuck human rights" i can't imagine being in that situation. that shit was abolished decades ago, it shouldve stayed that way
Sonicthehedgehog1899 2 years ago 3
leave them alone maybe they will happy like that
zjakipov 2 years ago
this is so wrong
ISLAMENGLISH 2 years ago
this has nothing to do with islam. kidnapping and holding anyone against their will is wrong, and there is no way to justify it.
blazdone 2 years ago 3
This tradition has nothing to do with Islam. Kyrgyz people used to kidnap even before the birth of Muhammad. In the video she says many times: "Kuday" (God in Kyrgyz) and not Allah.
She has no choice so may Kuday bless their mariage.She will stay with him and they will have children. No divorce. It is better than being one of five wives of a mislim or a prostitute without husband and home.
7shafr3 2 years ago 2
first i would like to slap the grandmas.. beat up the guys ... kidnapped their sisters and let em suffer trama.. fuck these ppl man.. i want to kidnapped these ppl's daughters .. let em get screwed and throw em on the street.. Lets see how they feel now bout kidnapping
renarzio 2 years ago
I LOVE WITNESS LOVE IT SOOOOOOO MUCH
genuinepearl2008 2 years ago
breaks my heart to see this happening God that would feel like death for a girl May Allah give them patience and may Allah remove this stupid thing really this isn't marriage !!
genuinepearl2008 2 years ago 3
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gaintfoot 2 years ago
I would like to note something.
This has nothing to do with islam in anyway.
and I am repulsed and disgusted by this video and even angry . as one of the pillars of marriage in islam is the consent of the daughter and the parents as without it the marriage is considered void.
gaintfoot 2 years ago 2
the end of Times are near brother may Allah guide us all to the right path. i see they drink VODKA all the time too
basak983 2 years ago
bride/girl kidnapping is a tradition/culture in that country, stop blaming religion!
mad4eva11 2 years ago
fundamental religion is often a legitimate contribution for not changing tradition that goes against human rights. Fundamental religion encourages us to keep thinking the same way, not to rethink things for better social outcomes.
sirswedishmike 2 years ago
Strashilka urodlivaya, v kajdom obshestve byvaet svoi traditsii i sovsem drugie vzglyady na veshi. Sovestkaya vlast' v techenii 70 let ne smogla unichtjit' nashi obychyi. I zdes' s poyavilis' takie kak ty i na ves' mir nachinayut pokazyvat' chto i kak u nas, ne razdumyvaya kak eto ploho mojet otrazitsya na vsyu nashu stranu. Iz za kakih to grantov takie kak ty portyat nas kak natsiyu. Wake up you stupid idiot.
kyrgyznationalist 2 years ago
I would like to apologize for my previous comment. I latched on to a small scene to spout my uncomfortableness with this report. When I finished this documentary, I realized that this was an exclusive look into a world of its own and there were many interesting documentations contained within. Again, my apologies for being short sided.
WellIAMScottish 2 years ago
I'm going to say something that even I don't like. But...
This is not a journalistic report. A journalists job is to record what's happening. Documentaries that carry their integrity do not try to so directly manipulate the scene they are filming.
While I respect this film for what it is, and I appreciate that I've seen it, I do not feel it is appropriate for an organizations that purports itself as 'news' to be having their reporters directly influencing the situation. It's not journalism.
WellIAMScottish 2 years ago
"We recognized our mistake, went back...
...and did it all over again."
thesunmilitary 2 years ago
это не кыргызские традиции... это привитое варварство джунгаров
IlkaZadr 2 years ago
Muslim women are not to be foreced to marry anyone out of their will. The marriage will be considered null and invalid if a father forces his daughter to marry without her consent.
arabia2004 2 years ago 2
There is lots of gray area however on what is consider muslim tradition or law in so many different parts of the world.
Also, if you kidnap a woman, and then hold her for several days, you are already taking and holding her against her will, and this goes against human dignity!
sirswedishmike 2 years ago
Ey jalap kantip ushunday uyat videonu tartasyn. Egerde chynygy oshondoy oor problemalar bolso ozunordun aranarda chechpeysinerbi. Emne sen Batysh saga ushuntup ele jardam berip koyobu deysinbi. Ustunon kulup shyldyndap oturbayby. Anglischeni suylop timele kiynsyn. Kancha akcha alganindy aityp koyboysunbu.
Jigit84 2 years ago
jalap dechi.,,,wyuaxax
aibek 2 years ago
Re: aishaa22 ....what a load of crap....no muslim woman would be game to divorce he husband...If her husband didn't kill her, her own family would have out of honor...haven't you ever heard of honor killings?
5shelly7 2 years ago
if a girl is forced without he consent her marriage is invalid according to islamic law, and the so called husband is taken as a rapist and must be punished.. its sad that these ppl claim to be Muslims yet follow such an evil tradition which apposes Islam to this extent...
aishaa22 2 years ago 39
who gives a fuck about muslim law..
aibek 2 years ago
@aishaa22 but WHO is there to enforce this islamic law? all religions are used by the powerful for their own benefits be it sexual political financial same shit even ALL religions teach different
polygamous1 1 year ago
@aishaa22
is that why hundreds, even thousands of children are forcibly married to old men? Allahu isnt akbar, allahu is pedophile.
emeprov 1 year ago 2
@aishaa22 too many people confuse islam from the allah, the messanger and of the heart with conventional and cultural islam which is all too many times haraam
nativegirl21889 1 year ago
@aishaa22
They are Muslims, but this is unIslamic practice. It pre-dates Islam. This practice is abolished in my native country of Somalia.
zameera21 1 year ago 3
@zameera21
i dont think it ever existed in somalia
CaligirlSofia 1 year ago
@aishaa22 Sister these pple r mongols live in central asia,they don't care about Islam.If u just cross the border from kyrgizistan into uzbekistan u will find Islam,land of Bukhari,Termidi,Moturudi etc.We muslims r not being victorious in Afg'tan becoz of these sort of muslims.When we practice our religion properly we get nasr of Allah.
abdlloh 1 year ago
@abdlloh
Well said brother couldnt agree with you any less mashaAllaah
aishaa22 1 year ago
@aishaa22
its not a muslim thing actually, its a tradition, it is practiced in other countries that are not muslim, like laos, ethiopia and rwanda, its a cultural tradition and not islamic at all, im muslim and this is very bizarre to me too
CaligirlSofia 1 year ago
Hate this
Talaschik 2 years ago 2
So do I !
arunle86 2 years ago
These people are seriously fucked up. I rest my case.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mavikilen 2 years ago
I really don't like people which have prejudices like "every muslim rape". You can't survive in the world with such things.
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Marat2110 2 years ago
First of all there not muslims. That is not the Islam. Muslims dont drink alcohol. And surely not steal a bride. At least theres no raping there, look at America, men go around and rape women. Have you seen the statistics??
rohnyc 2 years ago
I agree with you about this not being true ideal Islam. But I don't agree with you saying they're not raping these women. You can never be sure there's no sick lunatics running round and doing that to random women, and on top of that, this may very well be tantamount to rape, because the woman didn't consent to getting taken in the first place and because you have to consummate a marriage with sex - which she probably wouldn't appreciate if she didn't appreciate the first part of the process.
smartchikchick 2 years ago
There might be raping, but not as much as the U.S. ???? Theres too many uneducated villagers. All they need is some Education. Bride stealing is the most common form of marriage known to the Kyrgyzstani people. I think we should first fix the problems in America, then talk about other countries.
rohnyc 2 years ago
You know there was a girl who was kidnapped, the parents of the girl agreed. Then the girl's body was returned to the parents a week later.
The father believed that she was raped, and then hung herself because of the shame and depression.
NakedCreep 2 years ago 4
The rape statistics in the US are high because women are not afraid to report them. Do you think the wives in these countries would run to the police or stats bureau or wherever else with their information?
thesunmilitary 2 years ago
I don't agree with this. In fact, it pisses me off. It's not so much that it's the West trying to intervene on the East. It's more that the women don't even like it and as for the older women, they just got used to it. If the receiving party doesn't want in, then it's wrong and that's what we should gauge things by.
And if it were me getting stolen, I'd make sure I give him hell every day of his life.
smartchikchick 2 years ago
I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be surprised if spousal abuse was not "tradition" in that society also. Not to sound like a silly, arrogant Westerner, but they consistently showed machismo and I can imagine that "keeping your woman in line" might also be a common reality for many brides.
MichaelMogg 2 years ago 5
Gotta point there. Probably why the older women are ok with it. They were probably told, "Be ok with me kidnapping from your family or I'll beat the crap out of you."
smartchikchick 2 years ago
The Donkey was thinking of kidnapping the Cat at 7:42.
Ercelan740 2 years ago
I am sure due to some genetic disorders evolution of muslims were stopped in the stone-age/Jurassic era and hence they are still practicing and behaving like apes.
crazypindi 2 years ago
Muslims say only that they are profitable at the moment. They want to put themselves as democrats?
Trupoed2 2 years ago
Great story, great people, hope I can visit them someday.
valken666 2 years ago
u r a fucking pervert that is why. how about someone kidnapping ur sister or daughter and rape her?? dont u have a sense?
atif7865 2 years ago
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valken666 2 years ago
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Look, the boyfriend was a sissy, he left the girl. The man was a good hard working man that will take good care of his wife. They have a very happy family. I fail to see anything wrong with them or their culture. Although I see many wrong things with the western culture of today where women don't even take care of their children anymore.
valken666 2 years ago
are you out of your mind? Stealing human beings is not a bad thing??? where the hell have u been raised? this is strictly against humanity, against Islam and against morality. you are sick , there should be a strict Islamic rule over there whereby people like should be punished severely. I think under Islamic rule the punishment for such a crime is Chopping off both hands.
Islam preaches that women and men should meet each other before marriage and talk about their future.
atif7865 2 years ago
Yes I agree it could be a little more.. peaceful. But still if 80% of the country kidnaps it is not against their religion. If they all agree about it, they don't have a problem, it is western culture that condones it. I could write about many human rights abuses in west that have no reason what so ever, at least they are happy and have a good reason.
valken666 2 years ago
so if you see someone drinking his piss, you will do the same too? why do you even want to measure your morality to that of west? who made west a measuring stick for humanity? and besides religion doesnt get created through democracy. it is the will of God not the will of majority of people that determines the divine rulings.
atif7865 2 years ago
If everyone drank piss from the beginning of times you would drink it too. And it is I that must ask you, what is this stick of morality? It is you that is trying to impose your morality on these people. And I disagree, religion is created by the people and can be changed whenever they want to.
valken666 2 years ago 2
Plus he didn't rape her, and she was free to escape. Do you think if it was all such a bad thing all those women wouldn't be angry about it? They were really happy. I agree it was a shock but the outcome was good.
valken666 2 years ago
Good, so lets both go to this place but you bring your mom too. then i will kidnap ur mom and make her the happiest woman in that fucked up country. I ll invite you to her wedding too.
Happy Now? Your justice rules now.
atif7865 2 years ago
The video is not about moms, you can take my sister if you want.
valken666 2 years ago
But surely acceptance cannot be the judge of right and wrong. Female circumcision is a heinous act, yet it is an accepted practice throughout portions of Africa and the Middle East. Sure the women learn to live with it and it is a part of their tradition, but it is completely reprehensible and ought to be stopped.
MichaelMogg 2 years ago 4
Yes in this I agree, acceptance is only part of the judgment and circumcision I see as useless and barbaric both on women and men.
But this I don't see as reprehensible, they are not forced to do more than stay a night at the spouses house, which is hardly a human rights abuse. If they really want to leave there is nothing stopping them.
valken666 2 years ago
Usually if a girl has stayed with another man for a night, even if forced, her virginity is questioned. It is very hard for those girls to get married then. So many girls do not refuse because they cannot get married if they do.
HoIyCrap 2 years ago 3
I really doubt this applies, if the family doesn't tell anything to the possible new husband he will happily marry. Also, there have being tests for virginity for thousands of years, if the girl wants to prove her virginity this shouldn't be a problem. Unless she is actually not a virgin anymore.
valken666 2 years ago
Due to the culture there, it does apply. Also, there are no accurate virginity tests. There is no way to find out if a girl is really a virgin.
HoIyCrap 2 years ago 3
Even if the tests are not accurate, how would a new husband know if this woman has been abducted before?
valken666 2 years ago
He doesn't, obviously. Anyways, I already said that most girls agree.
HoIyCrap 2 years ago
I mean, if she does not want to marry this man she can go away and marry a new one. The new one would not know if she was abducted before, hence she is not forced to marry this one or anyone.
valken666 2 years ago
If it were that easy, a lot of girls would choose to do that. Except, you can see that the girl is pressured by her parents in the video. Girls who do that bring a lot of shame to their families and they don't have anywhere to turn to if they choose to refuse. It might be difficult to understand since they're so different but it does happen and the majority of girls in that country are wed like that.
HoIyCrap 2 years ago 2
Then the problem is the parents. Well, it is another culture, it seems very similar to an arranged marriage. The man can't really be blamed, he is forced to do that. From a womans perspective it may seem as a bad thing, if I were a woman I would think this too. It is just that I understand the man, I wouldn't do it, but it is understandable. A lone woman could do the same. It is a good way to keep the families going, but bad for the woman.
valken666 2 years ago
Absolutely bizarre.
Abduction justified by calling it "tradition."
NWKBricks1 2 years ago 3
that's what pisses me off about it, calling it a 'tradition'. if there's a tradition that violates one's rights as a human being, they need to fucking break from it. there were some cases when things ended happily, but for the most part they did not. seeing one documentary of it just appaulls me, even as a young man. ppl these days need to stop bitching about petty things like claiming "RE5 is racist!!!" and focus on removing practices like this and burying kids alive from this world
Sonicthehedgehog1899 2 years ago
In my interest wether that dog was kidnapped also? dog needs a bath dude
TruthDaTruth 2 years ago
is it me or do all the older women and men look alike ..did u c when the old women all came in they were all fat and looked the same to me...hhuhh weird looking ppl with even weirder treditions
albanianmario 2 years ago
from an albanian?? reeeeely, i seem to recall this happens just as much there.
jiggaboohoo 2 years ago
with all the bad that the soviet union had done, at least they brought civilization to many of the people. Too bad that they didn't stay long enough in Kyrgistan to kill this savage tradition
NYSalsaholic 2 years ago
what a bunch of savages!
oh wait.. this is so disrespectful to their "culture"... my bad... lol
jak1428 2 years ago 7
well, if a society is going to change it has to from the inside, no one likes outsiders to make value judgements on their own culture/society. We all have standard practices that may be disgusting or ridiculous to someone foreign.
naliuj 2 years ago 4
Yeah, c'mon man. Taking away women's freedom is just a part of their society. Morals are relative. Geeeeez!
0bobmar 2 years ago
Thank you for this report Rageh. Rarely does American media focus its attention from Afghanistan, Iraq, and itself.
serialsniker 2 years ago 4
Al jazeera isn't American, it's based in Qatar
maaza2 2 years ago 4
Trippy.
KosmicCitizen 2 years ago
crazy practice...but I think the world is changing
funny ending to the video
davidinfo13 2 years ago 4
you are right. it is going to change.
bgturk 2 years ago
yes it is getting worse, 20 years ago this was not so common . now it is very commin
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