30-By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Now again I posted this to show you that Jesus has a Lord who is GOD, this is exactly who the apostles are praying to, and don't forget how in Acts 4:26 it says against the Lord and his Christ.
Bless you...Jesus is Lord (Acts 2:36, Ps.110:1) but He has a LORD (Ps.110:1;Isa.61:1-3=Lk.4:18-21)
27-For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28-For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
29-And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Check out verse 30 but don't forget the scriptures in Pt.1!
24-And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
25-Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
26-The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
I want you to see who the apostles were praying to in Acts 4 after they were threatened, they are praying to the Lord who is God and has a holy child Jesus. Now for some possible bias reason of scholastic preference Lord isn't capitalized but I will post from Acts 4:24-31 and then compare it with Luke 4:18-21 which is basically a fulfilled prophecy of Isaiah 61:1-3.
I will post it in the next part but my point is that you guys say Jesus is GOD but He has a GOD!
I bet you believe THE LORD our GOD is ONE LORD Deut.6:4 right (?) sure you do, I do also. But let us see who this is. By the way I do believe that GOD IS ONE Gal.3:20....this immediately excludes Jesus from being THE ONE GOD, because He is the Mediator between THE ONE GOD, and humanity.
See the mediation took place before the incarnation i.e. in Hebrews 2:11-17 Jesus was already The High Priest, not GOD ALMIGHTY, and not human, *before, and I stress, *before the flesh
I don't want to totally mock you right, but I see and hear believers quoting scriptures etc. all over youtube but when it comes to integrity they possess it not.
So you say Jesus is THE LORD our GOD in Deuteronomy, so tell me who THE GOD of gods is in Deut.10:17, and after you say it's Jesus right, compare Deut.10:17 with Ps.45:6-7 and then explain Deut.18:18-19=Acts 3:22-23?
You say all throughout Isaiah right(?) so in Isaiah 61:1-3 why does Jesus have a GOD?
The point is nobody was ever baptized in the titles, Father, son, or Holy Ghost in the Bible. Many were baptized in the name of Jesus. The disciples understood what Jesus meant in matthew 28:19. One singular name. Who died for us, Jesus! Who gave us of our sins, Jesus! Who's coming back for us, Jesus!. Who the church going to marry soon, Jesus! Why not take his name?
Job 13:6-10, Will ye accept his PERSON? not PERSONS! Isaiah 40:25, 41:4, 43:3-15, 44:6-8, 24. 45:5-7, 12-19, 21-22. 46:5-10. 63:3, 5-6, 16. Matthew 1:23. St John 1:1-14, Galatians 3:20, GOD IS ONE. Ephesians 4:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16 1 John 5:20, Genesis 1:26=Proverbs 8:22-36. Titus 2:13, St John 20:28. I just don't see how anybody can go along with the trinity after reading these scriptures. No where does it state anything about three persons in one. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan.
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
@rudyavelino1982- So just to be clear.... #1-There must be more than one on the throne for Jesus' prophecy in Rev.3:21 to be true. #2-Rev.5:6-7 supports Jesus' prophecy from Rev.3:21, because obviously there were Elders in the midst of the same throne that Jesus was in/on. #3-Jesus stood up in Rev.5:6-7(He was sitting down i.e. Ps.110:1,Acts 2:25-35, Acts 7:55-56) in the middle/amongst the elders and came and took the book out of the right hand of THE FATHER who was SITTING ON THE THRONE!
@MANUAIM-I forgot to say in the throne versus on the throne....there may be a difference and I have to study to see if there is a difference but I meant there in the throne i.e. Rev.3:21...
@rudyavelino1982 - Again...rather Jesus Christ is being called God in Acts 20:28 or not it does not matter. Jesus has a GOD! The problem is that most of you pick one verse without even studying the surrounding context to be able to rightly interpret the word of truth.
GOD sanctified THEN sent Jesus...Jn.10:36 GOD does not bleed....GOD was in Christ reconciling the world back unto HIMSELF. HE MADE Christ to be sin for us 2Cor.5:19-21, thus using the blood of HIS Son to purchase us.
@MANUAIM O, i promise you, i read the surrounding context. Isaiah 7:14 a women shall concieve and bare a Son, his name "God with us" Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born; His name, Everlasting Father, The Mighty God. (you could change this to your own understanding but it says what it says and God word is truth.
@MANUAIM you change the word of God when you say "thus using the blood of HIS Son to purchase us" when the word of God said he lated down his life for us.
@rudyavelino1982- I didn't change anything...I explained that GOD purchased the church with the Blood of HIS Son. Do you know what would actually happen if GOD died? EVERYTHING would cease to exist..in fact we have scripture that shows us what happened to the earth when Christ died everything went dark...Now this was because Christ is the light of the world...so YHWH made sure the earth's light bowed down for the death of HIS SON.... Now imagine what would happen if GOD ALMIGHTY died?
@MANUAIM See, God never died. His flesh died but when he gave up the ghost he contenued to be God all Mighty and went in the earth to take the keys away from Satan. When Jesus would pray to God, he was only fullfilling his own word were it says Psalm 145:21My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever..Psalm 65:2O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.(REMEMBER, JESUS SAID HE WAS HEAR TO FULLFILL ALL RIGHTIOUSNESS)
@MANUAIM you change the word of God when you say "thus using the blood of HIS Son to purchase us" when the word of God said he layed down his life for us.
@MANUAIM Amos 3:7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets...Matthew 10:26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.Matthew 11:25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
@MANUAIM Matthew 11:27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.(THIS TELLS ME THAT WHEN HE SPOKE TO PHILLIP, HE REVEALED WHO HE WAS, THOMAS KNEW WHO HE WAS, STEPHEN KNEW WHO HE WAS AND IN TITUS, THEY ALL HAD REVELATION WHO HE WAS) so whoever he wants to reveal himself to, he will.
@rudyavelino1982-The oneness doctrine is false... John 14:7,v.9 is explained by John 5:37 and John 6:46....Plus taking out less than 5 minutes to define the word "seen-3708-horao" would explain that the definition of 'seen' is interchangeable based on context. At one moment/ in one verse it means "To see with the eye" and another moment/verse it means to see with the mind i.e. to perceive.
Jesus TOLD the disciples they have never heard the voice or seen the shape of THE FATHER. Jn.5:37
@MANUAIM so Your just telling me that God don't have the power to manifest himself. You limit Gods power and you contradict the bible to say jesus was by Gods side when the bible says he created it ALONE so what ever you believe in, i wont touch it with a 50 foot pole.
@rudyavelino1982-This means that if Jesus was THE FATHER then even prior to them getting a revelation that He was THE FATHER, then He would not have been able to say they have never seen HIS SHAPE, NOR HEARD HIS VOICE. The oneness doctrine has toooooo many holes in it. It is only valid within the borders of their denominational organization.
We have a true record of who GOD said Jesus is---> Mt.3:17, Mt.16:16-17, Mt.17:5, 1Jn.5:9-13.... This the record GOD HIMSELF gave of HIS SON!
@MANUAIM Jesus was the Father and he was God with us according to Isaiah 7;14 and 9:6. Actually, I use to read the bible before I got in church and God had revealed to me before i even thought of going to church that he is 1 God and when i would read the bible for 2 days stright without sleep, All I seen was jesus fullfilling every thing God was so you don't even know how Blessed I was to find out there was a church that had the same revelation cause I thought i was the only one who knew this.
@rudyavelino1982-I also wanted to say that just because a person's name is interpreted with GOD in it, it doesn't mean that person is GOD ALMIGHTY. Look up the word el-410 in hebrew and then look at all of the names with "el" in it...JoEL, SamuEL, ELiJAH i.e. EL-i-YAH, ELi, ELisha, there are more....Mt.1:23 is explained with 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38...because GOD was IN Christ, and GOD was with Christ, so if Christ was with us, then GOD was with us because HE was with Jesus Christ.
@rudyavelino1982- I just gave you scripture of Jesus Christ in Heaven saying He has a GOD! Rev.3:12.... This scripture alone silences the lying oneness doctrine. I thought Jesus Christ is THE FATHER in Heaven? I thought He only had a GOD according to the FLESH? Well we all know in Heaven there is no *earthy flesh..only incorruptible bodies 1Cor.15:50...so why is Jesus in Heaven teaching He has a GOD and prophesying that even in The New Jerusalem He will still have a GOD!
@MANUAIM in Revelation 4:2, it is written:"And immediately, I (Apostle John) was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat upon the throne." (NOT 2 OR 3).All three names are the same name!(Jesus) the new name is seen in a new light to the overcomer...It is to the overcomer who recieves the new name and receives a white stone as a priest and king to his God.
@rudyavelino1982- Hey don't erase your words keep them up..and don't delete your account! See you continue to prove exactly what I say about the oneness believer. You think just becuase you seen that one was on the throne in Rev.4:2.
I think you forgot that we see in part.....1Cor.13... If you would have kept on reading vs. stop as sson as you read one on the throne then you would have never posted Rev.4:2.
Read Rev.3:21 and Rev.5:1-7...I'll post them for you...
Rev.3:21-To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Did you ask yourself what throne John was looking at? Or did you just haphazardly assume the definition of throne and use background knowledge to determine the definition.
Jesus explained that who ever overcomes they will sitdown with Him in His throne as He overcame and set down with His FATHER in HIS THRONE. Explain it...
1-And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.2-And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?3-And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.4-And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5-And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6-And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev.5:7-And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Now lets re-visit v.6 and tell me how many were in the midst of the throne? Were there not 4 beast and elders and then there was a Lamb in the midst of those elders that stood? Who is the Lamb? Jesus!
In v.7 who was sitting on the throne? It wasn't Jesus Christ who was standing! And who came and to the book out of HIS right hand? Jesus Christ The Lamb
@rudyavelino1982- More proof against the oneness doctrine. Then you totally wing it making up things for Rev.4:2 and Rev.3:12. Oneness believers are becoming more and more deceived as the days get evil. You know why? Because there is a line being drawn in the sand and that line is that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD. Doctrines outhside of this leads to darkness. But the gates of Hell cannot/shall prevail against the TRUE REVELATION from GOD ALMIGHTY that Jesus Christ is HIS Son! Mt.16:15-18
@MANUAIM 12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God(HES SPEAKING TO THE OVERCOMER), and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God (HE SPEAKING OF THE NAME OF JESUS), and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem (HES SPEAKING OF THE CHURCH), which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. and the only way an overcomer can be an over comer is through Christ, the name, and his blood.
Why is Jesus in Heaven saying He has a GOD? If He is THE FATHER! LOL.... Jesus said the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven from His GOD! John the Apostle records Jesus' words in Re.3:12 then later is prophetically shown this truth in Rev.21:2.
1Jn.5 tells us how to overcome the world! LOL...
1Jn.5:5-Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? That Jesus is GOD ALMIGHTY THE SON? NO! That He is THE FATHER? NO!
@MANUAIM remember, revelations is symbolic so He was speaking to the overcomers and this does not mean he was speaking to another God because chapter 4:2 says 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
@rudyavelino1982- Even with the book of Revelation having symbolism in it...it opens up letting us all know that GOD is revealing to HIS Son Jesus Christ the things that are going to happen and establishing it his angel to John and John is recording the word(s) of GOD and the testimony of Jesus Christ! Read it for yourself.... Rev.1:1-2 use KJV and other versions to compare it.
He was speaking of another GOD, His FATHER as He was in Jn.20:17, and the Apostles in 2Cor.11:31,Eph.1:3, 1Pet.1:3
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.
74- Will they not then turn to Allah and ask his forgiveness? And Allah is forgiving, Merciful.
The Messiah, so of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away and his mother was a truthful women; they both used to eat food. Se how we make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.
76- say: Do you serve besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit? And allah-he is the hearing, the Knowing.
@quranresponse- What I do not understand is how the descendants of Ishmael have turned to the Quran for any guidance when Ishmael and his mother Hagar only knew of the GOD OF ISRAEL. HE saved Ishmael after his mother was going to leave him for death. Abraham's GOD is the GOD OF ISRAEL! And I'm not talking about the zionist. All muslims are in rebellion following a book that came 600 plus years after Christ. Torah testifies of Christ Deut.18:18-19 Christ does not testify of Quran or Muhammed!
@quranresponse-My point to you is that Jesus Christ whom Muslims honor as a Prophet.He never taught any one of the Quran to come or of Muhammed and before the Quran ever came into existence we know that either the descendants of Ishmael through Abraham and Hagar were ONLY following the GOD OF ISRAEL or satan, so muslims have to choose. Acknowledge that their father Ishmael followed the GOD of the TORAH or satan.
So they are in rebellion to TORAH i.e. Deut.18:18-19 or following a false god!
Jesus was God manifested in flesh. He is God in creation, He came to earth being born of a virgin so he was the Son of God in His earthly incarnation so that he can be a sacrifice for the foundation of the world. God has all power to manifest in any form he would wish to, but still be one God and not a pagan trinity.
The nature of God is not a stupid or foolish question, so your video is just plain silly to any thinking person, wheather they are oneness or triitarian...Think about it.
The nature of God is not a stupid or foolish question, so your video is just plain silly to any thinking person, weather they are oneness or triitarian...Think about it.
Good video.....I agree I do not think we should debate the Trinity vs. Oneness.....both doctrines plainly declare Jesus is God.......
Problem we have is the ARIANS totally deny Jesus is God and dethrone Him.......When Jesus gave Moses the Ten Commandements, He let Moses know that He, the great I AM, is God and said you are to have NO other God before you.
@dbspooky- I guess I am the one you are calling "the arian" which is funny because I do not pledge allegiance to sects of doctrines. I only believe in what is written after I have studied it in it's context not simply because it is a historical Christian doctrine doctrine. Have you forgetten that historical christianity in America enslaved the so-called African American and spent at least 3 centuries dehumanizing their race?
I stand on what is written! Jesus is the Son of the LIVING GOD.
@MANUAIM Jesus was God manifested in flesh. He is God in creation, He came to earth being born of a virgin so he was the Son of God in His earthly incarnation so that he can be a sacrifice for the foundation of the world. God has all power to manifest in any form he would wish to, but still be one God and not a pagan trinity.
@dbspooky- Not only that, I know what the definition of "God/god-430-elohiym" means in Hebrew, and I also know what the definition of "God/god-2316-theos" is in Greek, so why would I argue against the FACT that Jesus was called "God-430-elohiym" Ps.45:6 and "God-2316-theos" in Heb.1:8? I have not and will not, I believe this. Nevertheless, I do know in Hebrew and Greek there is no capitalization, even so Moses was called "god-430-elohiym" Ex.7:1 and men called "gods-2316-theos" Jn.10:35.
@dbspooky- So if believers today are wise enough to make a distinction between the definition of "God/god-430-elohiym in Hebrew and God/god-2316-theos in Greek" then how come the same believers loose their wit when Jesus though called God says He has a GOD? John 20:17? Or how come the Apostles were writing about a LIVING Jesus Christ in Heaven, yet they still say THE GOD and FATHER of Our Lord Jesus Christ in 2Cor.11:31, Eph.1:3, and 1 Pet. 1:3? Obviously they believed Jesus also had/has a GOD!
@dbspooky-So I have no problem with Jesus being called God in the Bible, because He is. Nevertheless, I understand that just because one is called God/god it does not make them GOD ALMIGHTY. If we were reading the Hebrew and Greek we would not see any capitalization. So why stop using the wisdom you are forced to use when you see Moses and many others are called "gods-430-elohiym" Ex.7:1,Ex.22:28, Ps.82:6/Jn.10:34-35 etc. when you see Jesus is called God? Jesus is NOT the HIGHEST! Lk.1:32
@dbspooky- I think it is a shame that trinitarians and oneness believers deny that Jesus Christ says His Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. It is a shame that both say Jesus is the ONLY TRUE GOD when there is only 3 New Testament passages that use TRUE GOD in such a way and not one verse is saying Jesus is the TRUE GOD.
John 17:3 is Jesus speaking, 1Thess.1:9-10 Paul is teaching we are waiting for the TRUE GOD's Son from Heaven, and 1Jn.5:20 says the TRUE GOD has a Son, does Jesus have a Son?
@dbspooky- So you all can try to undercoverly call me Arian etc. or Unitarian etc. whatever but my allegiance is to YHWH and HIS Son Jesus Christ (whatever the PERFECT precise Hebrew spelling is) and to building up the KINGDOM OF GOD with HIS TRUTHS in attempts to turn souls toward FAITH in HIS Son, so that we know that YHWH's standard is found in HIS Son and then we can move onto perfection in being reconciled back to THE FATHER.
Jesus Christ says He has a GOD 4 times in verse Rev.3:12!
@MANUAIM Jesus was God manifested in flesh. He is God in creation, He came to earth being born of a virgin so he was the Son of God in His earthly incarnation so that he can be a sacrifice for the foundation of the world. God has all power to manifest in any form he would wish to, but still be one God and not a pagan trinity.
@dbspooky-Tell me Rev.3:12 dethrones Jesus Christ? It doesn't it glorifies Him. What about 1Cor.14:24-28? What about Jn.14:12,v.28? No... What about Rev.3:21 where Christ tells us that if we overcome we will sit with Him in His Throne as He overcame and has sat down with His FATHER in HIS THRONE? Does that dethrone Christ? NO! See my point is that Jesus Christ has a GOD that is GREATER THAN He is. Yet both oneness and trinitarians attempt to wiggle around this but Prov.21:30 is a sure word!
Let's look at it this way. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. So I will only use scripture. John 1 says that the Word is God and that the Word became flesh. So the Word of God is God and God became flesh...Jesus. John 2:24 "God is a spirit.." Lev. 19:2 "I the Lord your God am holy." So God is the Holy Spirit. Deut. 6:4 says that the the Lord our God is One. Isaiah 45 whole chapter. John 10:30, Ephesians 4:4-6, Acts 4:12, 1 Corinthians. 8:4. No fight just facts. Proverbs 15:32
If anyone would like to watch my series called The Truth about the Trinity, please check them out. There are tons of scriptures on how we should believe. Thank you. :)
If trinity was important, Matthew 24:14 would say; when Trinity has been preached, then the end would come. What's important IS the preaching of Gods Kingdom. Now.... What is Gods Kingdom?
@Jthetinman-By the way what you said did not go over my head.... You are correct preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD is important! But remember what they were told in Matt.28:19...... GO YE THEREFORE AND TEACH all nations...Baptizing them...
If we were to look for this in the Bible we must be honest and say we do not see the Matthew 28:19 formula for water baptism BUT we do .....I repeat WE DO...see this formula via TEACHING.... They made a distinction between the FATHER, Son, and Holy Spirit!
Also forget to say BLESS YOU zionking47 for your desire to UNITE believers in the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:3....
Maybe you should share your heart in a video about why you feel the CONTENTIOUS aspect of arguing/discussing this doctrine should be done in SHALOM. I have a passage from the Bible that I think would bless you to start your video also...
James 3...It really is a humbling passage. Also forgive me bcuz I have not shown continual meekness in my discussions!
@MANUAIM 6Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. 7Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
@MANUAIM o yea, the book of Job chapter 13 says this: 6Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. 7Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
@rudyavelino1982-I'm not trying to be rude but can you clearly explain to me what your posting of words even of Job 13. What is the purpose of your post to me, help me understand what you meant and your intentions and how this relates to me or what I posted.
@MANUAIM There is no such thing as trinity and Job said 8Will ye accept his person? God is 1. 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. He will reproove you if you eccept a trinity. Plus the bible says you can't seperate the love of God.
@MANUAIM 27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed...IF HE CALLED JESUS MY LARD AND MY GOD, JESUS WOULD HAVE CORRECTED HIM but it was a revelation to Thomas that he is GOD
You are wrong allow me to explain why. Even if Thomas was calling Jesus my Lord and my God this is not the same as LORD and GOD! See...Jesus was made Lord by His GOD (Acts 2:36), and Jesus was called God by His GOD (Ps.45:6-7; Heb.1:8-9), so why is it a problem for Jesus to be called God and Lord? It is not and it doesn't change Jesus into being GOD ALMIGHTY because He was called Lord and God.
Have you ever studied John 10:34-35, 1Cor.8:5-6, Ex.4:16,Ex.7:1,Ex.22:28?
@MANUAIM acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood..(SO HE PURCHASED HIS OWN BLOOD; HOW WILL YOU CHANGE THIS SCRIPTURE) 1 JOHN 3:16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. (AND HOW CAN GOD LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US; UNLESS HE WAS MADE FLESH)
@rudyavelino1982-Before I continue, please, ask yourself if GOD ALMIGHTY called Jesus God, and made Him Lord then why would Jesus correct Thomas for magnifying the honour bestowed upon Him by THE FATHER? That's like Jesus telling people don't bow your knee and confess that I am Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER (Phil.2:10-11) that would be rebuking THE FATHER.
Also do you know Thomas was *NOT there when Jesus told them His FATHER is their FATHER and His GOD is their GOD Jn.20:17!
@rudyavelino1982-Moses was called 'god-430-elohiym' by YHWH = THE LORD i.e. THE MOST HIGH 'GOD-430-ELOHIYM' in Exodus 7:1 but believers are wise enough to know Moses was not being called GOD ALMIGHTY, but why? Because we look at the context and we see that it was THE LORD who said to Moses "see I have made thee a god to pharoah..." Christ taught that GOD called them gods to whom HIS word came i.e. Jn.10:34-35, see Ps.82:6...
Christ taught THE FATHER IS THE ONE SUPREME GOD Jn.17:3, but why?
@rudyavelino1982-Why did Jesus teach THE FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD (Jn.17:3) when we know He knew TOWRAH according to Jn.10:34-35, so if Jesus understood---> Gen.1:26-27, Ex.4:15-16, Ex.7:1, Ex.22:28, Ps.8:5, Ps.45:6-7, Ps.82:6 etc. knowing that others were called gods-430-elohiym, why did He say THE FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD/ELOHIYM-430(hebrew),THEOS-2316(greek)? Because Jesus *UNDERSTANDS that all others called 'elohiym/theos' became 'gods' after the WORD OF GOD came to them Jn.10:34-35!
@MANUAIM exactly, God said moses was a god with a lowercase letter while thomas called Jesus God capitalized at that, he did not say a lowercase god but he called him the God.
@rudyavelino1982 -Bless...but in english we use capitalization to make a distinction for our own minds. However, in the hebrew and greek there is no capitalization emphasis. To prove this look up the word "God" in Gen.1...and then look up the word 'god' in Ex.7:1. I bet (without gambling) that you will see "elohiym-430" for both God/god. And this is why I tried to stress the concordance/bible dictionary so that you could study the definitions from the original language.
@rudyavelino1982- In whose image and after whose likeness were we made? Gen.1:26-27... I bet if you study what 'God' means in Gen.1 you will see it is 'elohiym-430'. My point is in whose IMAGE we were made and after whose LIKENESS? Answer it, it is written right there in Genesis 1:26-27. Are you afraid to say what is written, if you are, then don't be afraid anymore because you have Bible backing your words. Now if you don't understand what it means though it is written, pray and study more.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Do you think God is a lair because it says in Isaiah44:24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Malachi2:10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?So i believe he was speaking his own thoughts, knowing he will someday become flesh in the body of christ.
@rudyavelino1982-Not only does Jn.1:3, but Col.1:16-17,1Cor.8:6, Heb.1:2, Heb.2:10 teach that Christ was at creation but that GOD created by Him. In a baseball game when a batter hits a homerun who hit the homerun? The batter right! Okay in the same game, same moment who get get's the glory for the homerun? The entire team, though the GLORY individually belongs to the batter, he shares the glory with everyone on his team. Now even though the batter used a *bat he still alone hit the homerun!
@MANUAIM there you go with worldly metephor. God created alone, by himself so you contradict the bible because Isaiah 44:24 says he created it ALONE, BY HIMSELF. For in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Why do you limit God? the bible says God can do all things. If he wants to come in a burning bush, if he speaks through a donkey, if he comes in flesh, if he pores out his Holy Spirit on all flesh, if he split the sea, if he calms the rageing sea, why do you limit his Power???
@rudyavelino1982- You need to study more about GLORY. Okay watch this.... You do a powerful work and operate by the SPIRIT OF GOD....heal the sick etc. instantaneous miracle......someone tells you thank you for healing my son, or for fixing my withered hand.... What are you going to say? You had better say, NO...it's the GLORY OF GOD...HE ALONE did the work through me.
So how do you explain it to another? GOD wrought many miracles by the hands of Paul...We co-labour with HIM! 1Cor.3:7-9
@rudyavelino1982 - See so though one waters and one plants he that watereth isn't anything neither he that planteth but GOD that giveth the increase. SO though we co-labour with HIM, who did the work? GOD DID IT.... What did Christ teach in John 5:30 teach? Or John14:10- THE FATHER that dwelleth in me HE doeth the works...
GOD was in Christ 2Cor.5:19, GOD was with Christ Acts 10:38 <-----and anointed Him. Signs, wonders and miracles which GOD did by Christ in the midst of them Acts 2:22.
@rudyavelino1982- Show me one scripture in the bible where it ends with Christ? With Him being THE MOST HIGH. You cannot find one...if so show it to me. Even Col.2:9 every oneness student I met tries to make it stand (to make it mean Jesus is GOD ALMIGHTY) but everyone of you take one verse and contextualize it around your doctrine vs. contextualize it around the very context you took it from. Col.1:19 explains that it pleased THE FATHER to put the fulness in Christ.
@rudyavelino1982-The problem is not me limiting GOD but rather that I have studied beyond the perimeters of both the oneness and trinitarian superstitions.
When did GOD speak through a donkey? See...this is what I'm talking about. You mention if HE speaks through a donkey (though you can try to say you were generalizing it...I know all the above mentioned are from the Bible) The only thing is that HE opened the mouth of the donkey, not spoke through the donkey...you must go back again.
@rudyavelino1982-Prove false anything I said about Jesus or THE FATHER's IDENTITY. Quote me, since I did give scriptures and concordance numbers for what I said.
Also the Apostles all wrote present tense i.e. past tense Jesus' resurrection and ascension AND THEY believed He had a GOD.1Pet.1:3,Eph.1:3,Eph.1:17, 2Cor.11:31. John the Apostle himself records the word(s) of GOD ALMIGHTY Rev.1:1-2, Jn.5:9-13. James 2:19, James 3:9, Jude 1:1. All the Apostles with letters believed Jesus had a GOD!
@rudyavelino1982-I know power belongs to GOD, but Jesus was give all power...and all power in Mt.28:18 does not mean OMNIPOTENCE, it means all liberty, as in ability to exercise power... but it was still delegated to Him. Who gave it to Him? Who made Jesus Lord Acts 2:36! I hear oneness believers always slamming everyone with Acts 2:38 (I was water baptized according to Acts 2:38 also) but yet just 2 verses earlier they miss where it says Jesus was made Lord! Man Jesus is *NOT GOD ALMIGHTY!
@rudyavelino1982-Have we not all one Father? Okay..so who is Jesus' Father? Okay..allow me to slightly avoid your answer as I point to John 20:17 to listen to Jesus tell us Himself. Okay so according to Jesus His FATHER is His GOD...so who created Jesus? The same ONE SUPREME GOD that created in the beginning. Col.1:15..Firstborn of every creature, Rev.3:14....The beginning of the creation of GOD.... and creature in Col.1:15 and creation in Rev.3:14 is same the definition. Christ was created!
@MANUAIM Psalm 148:1Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
1 Corinthians 15:47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. (speaking of Adam and Jesus) Luke 10:21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,(show me where the bible says there is 2 Lords because all I know is 1 Lord 1 faith and 1 baptism
@rudyavelino1982-Okay watch this closely... So if all you know is Eph.4:5 right...by the way you err in thinking it is 1 as in a numerical one versus one after the other. How many Baptism's is it? Is not there a water baptism unto repentance, and then a water baptism unto faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ? Acts 19:2-5? Is there not also a Baptism of the Holy Spirit? How many Baptism's is it? See... you need to start defining what you are reading if you are going to teach/preach!
@rudyavelino1982- I'll show you where there is more than 2 Lords, there are lords many (1Cor.8:5).
In 1Sam.25:24-31 David is called lord....the same 113 definition of lord in this passage that David is called, in Ps.110:1 Jesus is called Lord-113 and THE FATHER is LORD-3068.
Ps.110:1-The *LORD said unto my *Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David is talking about THE FATHER saying to Jesus Mk.12:36/Mt.22:41-46/Acts 2:25-36....
32-This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.33-Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.34-For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35-Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Isa.61:1-3 is about Jesus Luke 4:18-21! Whose Spirit was upon Him?
Acts 10:38-How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
@MANUAIM Jesus is Father according to the prophesy of Isaiah 9:6 "His name shall be called The everlasting Father". Like I said, you limit his power because he can do all things.
@rudyavelino1982-Jesus was explaining in John 10:34-36 that He did not make Himself God, and He went into doctrine out of the Hebrew Scriptures, and then clarified that He said He was the Son of GOD. By the way in Acts 23:1-5 Paul the Apostle submitted himself to the Ex.22:28 doctrine so Paul even understood the doctrine of *MANY elohiym/theos...thus in 1Cor.8:5 he taught 'gods' many and 'lords' many in heaven and earth but ONE SUPREME GOD, THE FATHER, v.6. just like Christ in Jn.17:3
@MANUAIM that still don't explain the scripture were he purchased his own blood and he (GOD HIMSELF) layed down his life for us. Don't forget, I believe he was 100% man and 100% GOD so when he spoke, he spoke at times as a Man and at times he spoke in his Divine nature. As a man, he slept, he got hungy and he bled, but as God he healed the sick, forgave people of thier sins and calmed the rageing sea because by him(speaking of Jesus) were all things created; colossians1:16
@MANUAIM So Blessed are they that have not seen and yet got the revelation that he is Lord and God because he says because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed...
@rudyavelino1982- Let us be accurately precise concerning the context of Jesus' words to Thomas and what context they were in. Did not the others tell Thomas the Lord had risen? And Thomas said what(?) that he would not believe unless he seen in His hands the print of the nails and put his finger into the print of the nails, and put his hand into His side he would not believe that Christ had risen from the dead. The context was *NOT, believe without seeing that Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY. No sir..
@MANUAIM so you change that scripture by leaning unto your own understanding because it says what it says. and even Stephen called upon God saying Jesus recieve my spirit.
@MANUAIM Acts7: 59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 9:5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: titus2:13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
@rudyavelino1982-It seems we believe in the words of our teachers over the words of Jesus Christ as we know them to be written. Jesus says HIS FATHER is greater than Him i.e. Jn.14:12,v.28, 1Cor.11:3 supports it, but believers in The Body of Christ say Jesus is equal to THE FATHER(?!?!?!) based on Jn.5:18 because the jews said Christ made Himself equal & Phil.2:5-6 which just does not say Christ is equal to THE FATHER!
Jesus has a GOD now and will FOREVER. Rev.3:12, Heb.13:8
@MANUAIM Yes, when he said HIS FATHER is greater then him, he was speaking in his Human nature...Hebrews 2:9But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death,..(AND REMEMBER, GOD WILL NOT GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANOTHER AND HE IS NOT A LIAR) Isaiah 42:8I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
@zionking47 Yes! Now we all need to study to show ourselves approved as workmen for the Lord. We must declare to the world the Truth as God has written it in His Holy Word, the Bible. THAT is being theologically correct or "thinking God's thoughts after Him." Truth matters. He died for His sheep and WILL save and keep them!
@TriuneApostolic Hello... Listen I made this video and posted it.. many of you are on here fighting... if it continues on I will delete all the comments and no one else will be able to talk on here. All of you stop arguing and go out and evangalize and pray for people... stop wasting time
not all scripture was inspired by God. in the Catholic encyclopedia they did a bit of changing to Gods inspired word they wrote Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: original words were Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of Jesus. So the Catholics change this and you believe it BUT GOD knew this and the now the revelation is in THE NAME NOT NAMES research it for yourself
IF we believe there is ONLY 1 numerical GOD then when Jesus says HIS FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD, then how come we don't stop right there? Jn.17:3....People say John the Apostle wrote to prove Jesus was GOD ALMIGHTY and this is not true. John the Apostle in John 20:31 tells us who he wrote of us to believe Jesus is.....not only in the gospels but also in 1 John 5:13 he clearly tells us what he believed AND who Jesus is...The Son of GOD! Come on....please wake up.
I think it would do the Saints, especially the ministers i.e. those who preach and teach to have a bible dictionary & concordance and learn how to use it. I know we have access to hear from THE HOLY SPIRIT OF YHWH to understand what is written but even then it is safe to try what we are hearing with what is written. So it goes back to understanding what is written.
There are simple misunderstandings that would be removed if we seriously studied with a concordance/lexicon etc.
Seriously if we were just to read the pages of the Bible and NOT dig in to the concordance/bible dictionary etc. WE would have to acknowledge the fact that Jesus Christ says that He has a GOD! In fact He says His FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD! Jn.17:3 Jesus in HEAVEN prophesied that even in the New Jerusalem He will have a GOD Revelation 3:12..... So if the argument in our biblical camps is that Jesus only had a GOD according to the FLESH then why in Heaven does He still have a GOD? Rev.3:12
@MANUAIM Hello... Listen I made this video and posted it.. many of you are on here fighting... if it continues on I will delete all the comments and no one else will be able to talk on here. All of you stop arguing and go out and evangalize and pray for people... stop wasting time
@zionking47- I'm in the streets, I am on the phone, online, in the church etc. evangelizing & in prayer for both believers & unbelievers; however, the moment DISCUSSING DOCTRINE in the biblical community becomes IRRELEVANT, then DECEPTION will fortify itself in our camps!
You must understand that the oneness & trinitarian doctrine (at the very least the oneness doctrine) DENY that The Son of GOD has come in the flesh 1Jn.4:1-3.
How is defending that the SON OF GOD has come wasting time?
@zionking47....and I am not trying to be disrespectful to you at all because I understand your cry for UNITY in the FAITH, if that is what you are promoting i.e. Unity of the Spirit in the bond of Peace...Eph.4:3..... But FAITH in respect to Jesus Christ (or the precise Aramaic Hebrew name) is that "GOD sent HIS SON to die for our sins and save us etc. Jn.3:16, 1Jn.4:14" when this is twisted into saying that GOD didn't send HIS SON but HE HIMSELF died for our sins THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
@zionking47-So with all due respect, I think you have to deal with this issue in the balance. I know sometimes it is very discouraging to see the Saints unable to agree in a "couple~few~several~many" cases but one reason is because in "many" circles this doctrine is not discussed objectively but people are indoctrinated.
I mean no harm to your conscience yet neither is it fair for other believers to try to muzzle & overlook the importance of this doctrine. 1Jn.5:9-13 is unmistakenably clear!
@zionking47 so if you believe that both are right, you are following the one world religion and one world government that Satan is establishing as we speak. Oneness is in the bible if you minus the ness. trinity isn't in the bible nor 3 gods nor 3 persons unless it was added by the roman Catholics. all non catholic christian trinity churches will join together in these last days with the pagan roman Catholics , but the one God believers will continue to be separated from the world.
@zionking47job13:6 Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips.
7Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?
8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
@TriuneApostolic -Forgive me for saying "Honestly are you serious" sometimes my questions are rhetorical or geniunely rhetoric when other times I do not always approach these discussions considering the etc's connected to people following certain things. I don't know how much of your childhood may be connected to you celebrating Easter maybe some of your loves taught you Easter celebration and sometimes it is tough to cope with the possibility that what we were taught was wrong. Peace...
@TriuneApostolic ....Honestly can I ask you to humbly reconsider your post please. You say Easter is not Pagan? Honestly are you serious.... Okay...please look in the Bible pay close attention to WHO it was that was celebrating Easter. Because it is written in the Bible but play close attention to who was celebrating it. Because you carry the name of Apostolic in your youtube Moniker but yet none of the Apostles celebrated Easter.
Please consider it AND we are told to LOVE THE TRUTH...
@TriuneApostolic Look up pictures of the pope and compare them to priests of dagon the fish god. look at the hats (mitres). representing a fish mouth (dagon). Tell me where hats are even necessary in the bible? I can keep going on and on. Wonder why there is so much filth in there? Because scripture says so - Read Rev 17:5 - Ever wondered why catholics abstain marriage for priests - 1Tim 4:1-7. They also have been involved in child abuse and homosexuality. I hope you see and come out of babylon.
@TriuneApostolic Ever seen the triangle used to show the trinity? the eye of osiris, the all seeing eye. Look on the back of a dollar bill my friend, where do you suppose that pyramid came from with the eye in it? Egypt? Ever heard of the free masons? Connect the letters m-a-s-o-n by the pyramid. What does it form? A pentagram. The sun god was reincarnated every year on the shortest day of the year. Guess what day? December 25th. Ever wondered why the papal powers wear so much clothes and hats?
@TriuneApostolic It says secret or inner chambers or rooms. When catholics eat bread and drink wine for the Lods supper, they say it becomes the real flesh and blood of the Lord. So superficial and pagan, sometimes they even do this is an inner room. As when they baptize babies - people go around saying i was born catholic, or i was born christian. They idolize mary, idolize crosses - when crosses don't mean anything, it is the Lord Jesus the Messiah who is important.
@TriuneApostolic Can you see now? Do not be blind to the works of the devil, he is all around you. Look at the buddhist in japan - san pao fuh - three in one god. Multiple nations have a trinity formula of a father mother and son/child god incarnate. When this mystery religion was set up in babel, the people were scattered and thus it split into all parts of the world. The idea is one of mystery, and that one can be "enlightened". God is no secret, either is the Messiah. Remember Matt 24:26?
@TriuneApostolic For if you hear what I am speaking of, the sun god - osiris, horus, isis, then why do you suppose the catholic church changed the day of worship to Sunday instead of saturday? sun day is the day of the sun god. Where do they get their rosary beads - ancient mexican religions, commonly used among the brahmins of hindustan in their sacred hindu books it speaks of it, also common in buddhism. Ever notice how much they carry crosses around? Look up an egyptian ankh of life.
@TriuneApostolic Look up history for yourself, if i tell you will you believe me? Probably not so look it up for yourself if you truly care about your salvation. The roman church is the great harlot of revelation. Babylon is Rome, the beast is the Papl power. Seek the truth my friend, this mystery babylon religion has been around for a long time. Remember the tower of babel - Remember Nimrod and His Wife? Semiramis queen of babylon. You should study to see if i speak truth, hold me accountable.
@TriuneApostolic Queen of heaven (Jer 7:18, 44:17-19, 25) is the title for the pagan babylonian goddess istar. better know in english as "easter", the goddess of fertility - represented by eggs - like when ovulating (producing eggs) means fertility. The roman catholic church has tainted all the nations with her pagan doctrines (spiritual fornication) thus all nations are drunk off her wine of immorality (Rev 18:3-4) But God is calling his people out of her - the corrupt doctrines of babylon.
@TriuneApostolic I'll tell you where the words trinity, incarnation, etc. came from. Egyptian babylon religions. Osiris, Horus, Isis - Egyptian religions spread into pagan Rome/greece - thus infiltrating the Roman Catholic Church. The egyptian trinity involved the Father (Osiris) the Son (Horus) and the Mother (Isis) - the roman catholics hold to this in their trinity of the Father, Son, and Mary - the Mother of God incarnate. Mary is called the queen of heaven. What does that mean?
@TriuneApostolic Wrong, Jesus implied He is One with the Father in Unity. Just like God has set up our marriage - two shall become one flesh. Jesus also prayed for us to be One with Him and the Father in John 17 21-22. We have the same Oneness with Jesus and the Father. Are we God now? No, this is what it means to "know" the only true God (Father) and Jesus Christ - to know (intimate relationship), just as we "know" our wives - it represents this Oneness and Unity.
@TriuneApostolic In the same way, your doctrine cancels out the relationship of Jesus and God. Is Jesus and the Father are both God - how can God interact with Himself? How can God be spirit and Jesus NOT be spirit (Luke 24:39) if Jesus is God? How can Jehovah speak to the Lord (adon=master) of David in Psalm 110, if Jehovah is this Lord as well? Jesus would have no need to cry out to God on the cross if he was God - otherwise he would be a schizophrenic. Do you believe Jesus or modern soceity?
@TriuneApostolic John 16:28 - correct translation from the greek reads And Now I leave the world and go to the Father. Not again I leave the world....Even so, if Jesus did say Again I leave the world - When did he leave the world the first time? He didn't leave the world but One Time, that was when he ascended into heaven to be seated at God's Right Hand. Even so, the pre existence of Messiah really is a backburner issue compared to other things at hand.
@TriuneApostolic At the same time you reject they had a relationship - The Father and the Son are both God - How can God have a loving relationship Himself and Give his Only Begotten Self?
@TriuneApostolic Don't give me ur email, just go to my page, and where it says "send message" hit that and just start writing, that does'nt give ur personal email, just with youtube
@TriuneApostolic Hey if its ok, go to my account page and send me an email, and lets look at this from there. Go to my youtube page if that ok with you and lets look at this view from every angle, there's not enough space for that.
@dktacts23 How does hebrews 5:7 show two natures of Jesus - it says he was flesh and he cried out to the One who was able to save Him from death - Who was that? The same One he prayed to in John 17:3 - The Only True God, the Father.
You are trying to relate human reasoning with divine scripture, God"s ways are not our way's, nor his thought's our thought's, Love does not require two person's, God made it very clear to the Jews all about God's divine nature.
@TriuneApostolic Well first Matt 27:46, this was not a withdrawl of the divine spirit, but a with holding of divine help. Taken from PSALM 22:1. The relationship between the father and son shows a distinction between natures, not persons, Hebrews 5:7; 1peter 3:18; 1peter 4:1; Colo 1:22; Acts 2:31; PSALM 65:2,
@dktacts23 You cannot have a conversation with yourself, love yourself, obey yourself, worship yourself, cry out to yourself, etc. This is not a "nature", this is two people interacting - that is, Jesus and the Father, who is the Only True God. If this were merely two "nature' then that would make Jesus a schizophrenic. Jesus said he was the way to the Father - Do you believe this? To you, he IS the Father, not the WAY to the Father - Do we stop at Jesus or go THROUGH Jesus?
@TriuneApostolic The "Father" would referr to his Deity as God in flesh, It was God who is our father come in flesh. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? Isaiah 9:6 is a messanic passage and states that the messiah would posses these characteristics, or attributes, called The EverLasting Father, so Jesus as God manifest in the flesh 1Timothy3:16, is also God the father in flesh as the man Jesus Christ the messiah, which make Jesus the one God, the father manifest in the flesh.
@TriuneApostolic And yes this same person was on the cross, Jesus did not suffer and die as God, but he suffered and died according to his humanity. It was the flesh of God that died on that cross, not a second divine person within the nature of this one God, but it was God Himself that robed Himself in flesh as "the Son" and died on that cross.
@dktacts23 If Jesus did not really die, but merely escaped the flesh body, then who Died for your sins my friend? Who took the death penalty upon himself to make atonement for our sins? If God raised Jesus from the dead - According to the Book of Acts - Then How could God, being Jesus, raise Himself from the dead, if in fact he WAS dead? How could God being Jesus exalt himself to His Own Right Hand? How could a mere body cry out to God on the cross. Rev 3:12 is after Jesus' resurrection-what now
@TriuneApostolic First let me say thank you for writing me, and I hope we can keep in touch, this helps me stay on my toes. Jesus did not hide his identity from his "OWN" disciples, but not all of his own disciples had the revelation of his deity and humanity, thats was jesus said to philip have I been so long with you and you have not known me philip. So philip did not completely get the revelation of Christ Supreme Deity and also his humanity. And to your question about the cross.
@TriuneApostolic I have no problem with that, The son and the father are one in everything, and the one and same person. God had already made it clear in the OT that he was alone, by himself, none with him, no other god or non othe person with him. He was alone and by himself at creation, non like him, non equal with. All through out the book of Isaiah.
@dktacts23 Jesus also made this clear in Matt 12:29-30 - The Jehovah is One and you shall worship and serve no other gods. What did Jesus do? Pray to the Father, Cry Out to the Father, Worship the Father, Obey and Serve the Father - Did Jesus obey the Torah? Yes he did or else he would not be sinless - Did Satan try to temp Him to disobey God, just like he tempted the first Adam? Yes, but Jesus being the second Adam succeeded where the first Adam failed - Jesus obeyed God and resisted the devil.
@TriuneApostolic I had already explained what that phrase "son of God" referrs to. But I see you like to pick and choose your scriptures, 1Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh, God was in the son, 2Corth 5:19, matt 1:23 God with us, Jesus said I and my father are one, Jesus said, if you've seen me, you've seen the father, God is not a triune God.
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ThePero20111 2 months ago
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frankiejeezy 5 months ago
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frankiejeezy 5 months ago
@SiegfriedElric-Pt.6
Acts 24-30 continued.....
30-By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
Now again I posted this to show you that Jesus has a Lord who is GOD, this is exactly who the apostles are praying to, and don't forget how in Acts 4:26 it says against the Lord and his Christ.
Bless you...Jesus is Lord (Acts 2:36, Ps.110:1) but He has a LORD (Ps.110:1;Isa.61:1-3=Lk.4:18-21)
MANUAIM 8 months ago
@SiegfriedElric:Pt.5
Acts 4:24-30 continued.....
27-For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28-For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
29-And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Check out verse 30 but don't forget the scriptures in Pt.1!
MANUAIM 8 months ago
@SiegfriedElric:Pt.4
Acts 4:24-30
24-And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
25-Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
26-The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
See, next part......
MANUAIM 8 months ago
@SiegfriedElric:Pt.3
I want you to see who the apostles were praying to in Acts 4 after they were threatened, they are praying to the Lord who is God and has a holy child Jesus. Now for some possible bias reason of scholastic preference Lord isn't capitalized but I will post from Acts 4:24-31 and then compare it with Luke 4:18-21 which is basically a fulfilled prophecy of Isaiah 61:1-3.
I will post it in the next part but my point is that you guys say Jesus is GOD but He has a GOD!
MANUAIM 8 months ago
@SiegfriedElric: Pt.2
I bet you believe THE LORD our GOD is ONE LORD Deut.6:4 right (?) sure you do, I do also. But let us see who this is. By the way I do believe that GOD IS ONE Gal.3:20....this immediately excludes Jesus from being THE ONE GOD, because He is the Mediator between THE ONE GOD, and humanity.
See the mediation took place before the incarnation i.e. in Hebrews 2:11-17 Jesus was already The High Priest, not GOD ALMIGHTY, and not human, *before, and I stress, *before the flesh
MANUAIM 8 months ago
@SiegfriedElric: Pt.1
I don't want to totally mock you right, but I see and hear believers quoting scriptures etc. all over youtube but when it comes to integrity they possess it not.
So you say Jesus is THE LORD our GOD in Deuteronomy, so tell me who THE GOD of gods is in Deut.10:17, and after you say it's Jesus right, compare Deut.10:17 with Ps.45:6-7 and then explain Deut.18:18-19=Acts 3:22-23?
You say all throughout Isaiah right(?) so in Isaiah 61:1-3 why does Jesus have a GOD?
MANUAIM 8 months ago
Awesome VIdeo
Alliwantisone 9 months ago
@xionking47 dude u are so ignorant. i'm sorry but you are. we are the church so God should tell us.
CloverfieldMonster95 9 months ago
The point is nobody was ever baptized in the titles, Father, son, or Holy Ghost in the Bible. Many were baptized in the name of Jesus. The disciples understood what Jesus meant in matthew 28:19. One singular name. Who died for us, Jesus! Who gave us of our sins, Jesus! Who's coming back for us, Jesus!. Who the church going to marry soon, Jesus! Why not take his name?
rossdaboss1959 10 months ago
Job 13:6-10, Will ye accept his PERSON? not PERSONS! Isaiah 40:25, 41:4, 43:3-15, 44:6-8, 24. 45:5-7, 12-19, 21-22. 46:5-10. 63:3, 5-6, 16. Matthew 1:23. St John 1:1-14, Galatians 3:20, GOD IS ONE. Ephesians 4:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16 1 John 5:20, Genesis 1:26=Proverbs 8:22-36. Titus 2:13, St John 20:28. I just don't see how anybody can go along with the trinity after reading these scriptures. No where does it state anything about three persons in one. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan.
rossdaboss1959 10 months ago
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Did Jesus come for peace?
Luke-ch-12-vs-51
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
quranresponse 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- So just to be clear.... #1-There must be more than one on the throne for Jesus' prophecy in Rev.3:21 to be true. #2-Rev.5:6-7 supports Jesus' prophecy from Rev.3:21, because obviously there were Elders in the midst of the same throne that Jesus was in/on. #3-Jesus stood up in Rev.5:6-7(He was sitting down i.e. Ps.110:1,Acts 2:25-35, Acts 7:55-56) in the middle/amongst the elders and came and took the book out of the right hand of THE FATHER who was SITTING ON THE THRONE!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM-I forgot to say in the throne versus on the throne....there may be a difference and I have to study to see if there is a difference but I meant there in the throne i.e. Rev.3:21...
MANUAIM 10 months ago
So how can God purchase his own blood and lay down his life for us? and remember, the bible says "lean not unto thy own understanding".
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982 - Again...rather Jesus Christ is being called God in Acts 20:28 or not it does not matter. Jesus has a GOD! The problem is that most of you pick one verse without even studying the surrounding context to be able to rightly interpret the word of truth.
GOD sanctified THEN sent Jesus...Jn.10:36 GOD does not bleed....GOD was in Christ reconciling the world back unto HIMSELF. HE MADE Christ to be sin for us 2Cor.5:19-21, thus using the blood of HIS Son to purchase us.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM O, i promise you, i read the surrounding context. Isaiah 7:14 a women shall concieve and bare a Son, his name "God with us" Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born; His name, Everlasting Father, The Mighty God. (you could change this to your own understanding but it says what it says and God word is truth.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@MANUAIM you change the word of God when you say "thus using the blood of HIS Son to purchase us" when the word of God said he lated down his life for us.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- I didn't change anything...I explained that GOD purchased the church with the Blood of HIS Son. Do you know what would actually happen if GOD died? EVERYTHING would cease to exist..in fact we have scripture that shows us what happened to the earth when Christ died everything went dark...Now this was because Christ is the light of the world...so YHWH made sure the earth's light bowed down for the death of HIS SON.... Now imagine what would happen if GOD ALMIGHTY died?
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM See, God never died. His flesh died but when he gave up the ghost he contenued to be God all Mighty and went in the earth to take the keys away from Satan. When Jesus would pray to God, he was only fullfilling his own word were it says Psalm 145:21My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever..Psalm 65:2O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.(REMEMBER, JESUS SAID HE WAS HEAR TO FULLFILL ALL RIGHTIOUSNESS)
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
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@MANUAIM you change the word of God when you say "thus using the blood of HIS Son to purchase us" when the word of God said he layed down his life for us.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@MANUAIM Amos 3:7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets...Matthew 10:26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.Matthew 11:25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@MANUAIM Matthew 11:27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.(THIS TELLS ME THAT WHEN HE SPOKE TO PHILLIP, HE REVEALED WHO HE WAS, THOMAS KNEW WHO HE WAS, STEPHEN KNEW WHO HE WAS AND IN TITUS, THEY ALL HAD REVELATION WHO HE WAS) so whoever he wants to reveal himself to, he will.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-The oneness doctrine is false... John 14:7,v.9 is explained by John 5:37 and John 6:46....Plus taking out less than 5 minutes to define the word "seen-3708-horao" would explain that the definition of 'seen' is interchangeable based on context. At one moment/ in one verse it means "To see with the eye" and another moment/verse it means to see with the mind i.e. to perceive.
Jesus TOLD the disciples they have never heard the voice or seen the shape of THE FATHER. Jn.5:37
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM so Your just telling me that God don't have the power to manifest himself. You limit Gods power and you contradict the bible to say jesus was by Gods side when the bible says he created it ALONE so what ever you believe in, i wont touch it with a 50 foot pole.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-This means that if Jesus was THE FATHER then even prior to them getting a revelation that He was THE FATHER, then He would not have been able to say they have never seen HIS SHAPE, NOR HEARD HIS VOICE. The oneness doctrine has toooooo many holes in it. It is only valid within the borders of their denominational organization.
We have a true record of who GOD said Jesus is---> Mt.3:17, Mt.16:16-17, Mt.17:5, 1Jn.5:9-13.... This the record GOD HIMSELF gave of HIS SON!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM Jesus was the Father and he was God with us according to Isaiah 7;14 and 9:6. Actually, I use to read the bible before I got in church and God had revealed to me before i even thought of going to church that he is 1 God and when i would read the bible for 2 days stright without sleep, All I seen was jesus fullfilling every thing God was so you don't even know how Blessed I was to find out there was a church that had the same revelation cause I thought i was the only one who knew this.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-I also wanted to say that just because a person's name is interpreted with GOD in it, it doesn't mean that person is GOD ALMIGHTY. Look up the word el-410 in hebrew and then look at all of the names with "el" in it...JoEL, SamuEL, ELiJAH i.e. EL-i-YAH, ELi, ELisha, there are more....Mt.1:23 is explained with 2Cor.5:19 and Acts 10:38...because GOD was IN Christ, and GOD was with Christ, so if Christ was with us, then GOD was with us because HE was with Jesus Christ.
MANUAIM 10 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- I just gave you scripture of Jesus Christ in Heaven saying He has a GOD! Rev.3:12.... This scripture alone silences the lying oneness doctrine. I thought Jesus Christ is THE FATHER in Heaven? I thought He only had a GOD according to the FLESH? Well we all know in Heaven there is no *earthy flesh..only incorruptible bodies 1Cor.15:50...so why is Jesus in Heaven teaching He has a GOD and prophesying that even in The New Jerusalem He will still have a GOD!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM in Revelation 4:2, it is written:"And immediately, I (Apostle John) was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat upon the throne." (NOT 2 OR 3).All three names are the same name!(Jesus) the new name is seen in a new light to the overcomer...It is to the overcomer who recieves the new name and receives a white stone as a priest and king to his God.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- Hey don't erase your words keep them up..and don't delete your account! See you continue to prove exactly what I say about the oneness believer. You think just becuase you seen that one was on the throne in Rev.4:2.
I think you forgot that we see in part.....1Cor.13... If you would have kept on reading vs. stop as sson as you read one on the throne then you would have never posted Rev.4:2.
Read Rev.3:21 and Rev.5:1-7...I'll post them for you...
MANUAIM 11 months ago
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@rudyavelino1982
Rev.3:21-To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Did you ask yourself what throne John was looking at? Or did you just haphazardly assume the definition of throne and use background knowledge to determine the definition.
Jesus explained that who ever overcomes they will sitdown with Him in His throne as He overcame and set down with His FATHER in HIS THRONE. Explain it...
MANUAIM 11 months ago
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@rudyavelino1982
Rev.5
1-And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.2-And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?3-And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.4-And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- Rev.5:1-4 conitnued.....
Rev.5
5-And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6-And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
See v.7
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982
Rev.5 continued...
Rev.5:7-And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Now lets re-visit v.6 and tell me how many were in the midst of the throne? Were there not 4 beast and elders and then there was a Lamb in the midst of those elders that stood? Who is the Lamb? Jesus!
In v.7 who was sitting on the throne? It wasn't Jesus Christ who was standing! And who came and to the book out of HIS right hand? Jesus Christ The Lamb
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- More proof against the oneness doctrine. Then you totally wing it making up things for Rev.4:2 and Rev.3:12. Oneness believers are becoming more and more deceived as the days get evil. You know why? Because there is a line being drawn in the sand and that line is that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD. Doctrines outhside of this leads to darkness. But the gates of Hell cannot/shall prevail against the TRUE REVELATION from GOD ALMIGHTY that Jesus Christ is HIS Son! Mt.16:15-18
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM 12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God(HES SPEAKING TO THE OVERCOMER), and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God (HE SPEAKING OF THE NAME OF JESUS), and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem (HES SPEAKING OF THE CHURCH), which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. and the only way an overcomer can be an over comer is through Christ, the name, and his blood.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-LOL
Why is Jesus in Heaven saying He has a GOD? If He is THE FATHER! LOL.... Jesus said the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven from His GOD! John the Apostle records Jesus' words in Re.3:12 then later is prophetically shown this truth in Rev.21:2.
1Jn.5 tells us how to overcome the world! LOL...
1Jn.5:5-Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? That Jesus is GOD ALMIGHTY THE SON? NO! That He is THE FATHER? NO!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
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@MANUAIM remember, revelations is symbolic so He was speaking to the overcomers and this does not mean he was speaking to another God because chapter 4:2 says 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- Even with the book of Revelation having symbolism in it...it opens up letting us all know that GOD is revealing to HIS Son Jesus Christ the things that are going to happen and establishing it his angel to John and John is recording the word(s) of GOD and the testimony of Jesus Christ! Read it for yourself.... Rev.1:1-2 use KJV and other versions to compare it.
He was speaking of another GOD, His FATHER as He was in Jn.20:17, and the Apostles in 2Cor.11:31,Eph.1:3, 1Pet.1:3
MANUAIM 11 months ago
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(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-73)
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.
74- Will they not then turn to Allah and ask his forgiveness? And Allah is forgiving, Merciful.
quranresponse 11 months ago
(Surah-5-the maidah-vs-75)
The Messiah, so of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away and his mother was a truthful women; they both used to eat food. Se how we make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.
76- say: Do you serve besides Allah that which does not control for you any harm, or any profit? And allah-he is the hearing, the Knowing.
quranresponse 11 months ago
@quranresponse- What I do not understand is how the descendants of Ishmael have turned to the Quran for any guidance when Ishmael and his mother Hagar only knew of the GOD OF ISRAEL. HE saved Ishmael after his mother was going to leave him for death. Abraham's GOD is the GOD OF ISRAEL! And I'm not talking about the zionist. All muslims are in rebellion following a book that came 600 plus years after Christ. Torah testifies of Christ Deut.18:18-19 Christ does not testify of Quran or Muhammed!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@quranresponse-My point to you is that Jesus Christ whom Muslims honor as a Prophet.He never taught any one of the Quran to come or of Muhammed and before the Quran ever came into existence we know that either the descendants of Ishmael through Abraham and Hagar were ONLY following the GOD OF ISRAEL or satan, so muslims have to choose. Acknowledge that their father Ishmael followed the GOD of the TORAH or satan.
So they are in rebellion to TORAH i.e. Deut.18:18-19 or following a false god!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
Deu. 6:4
Here oh Israel the Lord our God is ONE.
IT NEVER SAYS ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE BUT THREE PERSONS!!!!
Andeee303 1 year ago
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Jesus was God manifested in flesh. He is God in creation, He came to earth being born of a virgin so he was the Son of God in His earthly incarnation so that he can be a sacrifice for the foundation of the world. God has all power to manifest in any form he would wish to, but still be one God and not a pagan trinity.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
more comments on this simple video than almost any video I have seen... this is amazing.... what does this tell us?
zionking47 1 year ago
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The nature of God is not a stupid or foolish question, so your video is just plain silly to any thinking person, wheather they are oneness or triitarian...Think about it.
123itisfree 1 year ago
The nature of God is not a stupid or foolish question, so your video is just plain silly to any thinking person, weather they are oneness or triitarian...Think about it.
123itisfree 1 year ago
Good video.....I agree I do not think we should debate the Trinity vs. Oneness.....both doctrines plainly declare Jesus is God.......
Problem we have is the ARIANS totally deny Jesus is God and dethrone Him.......When Jesus gave Moses the Ten Commandements, He let Moses know that He, the great I AM, is God and said you are to have NO other God before you.
Titus 2:13
Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.
I eagerly await Him
dbspooky 1 year ago
@dbspooky- I guess I am the one you are calling "the arian" which is funny because I do not pledge allegiance to sects of doctrines. I only believe in what is written after I have studied it in it's context not simply because it is a historical Christian doctrine doctrine. Have you forgetten that historical christianity in America enslaved the so-called African American and spent at least 3 centuries dehumanizing their race?
I stand on what is written! Jesus is the Son of the LIVING GOD.
MANUAIM 1 year ago
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@MANUAIM Jesus was God manifested in flesh. He is God in creation, He came to earth being born of a virgin so he was the Son of God in His earthly incarnation so that he can be a sacrifice for the foundation of the world. God has all power to manifest in any form he would wish to, but still be one God and not a pagan trinity.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@dbspooky- Not only that, I know what the definition of "God/god-430-elohiym" means in Hebrew, and I also know what the definition of "God/god-2316-theos" is in Greek, so why would I argue against the FACT that Jesus was called "God-430-elohiym" Ps.45:6 and "God-2316-theos" in Heb.1:8? I have not and will not, I believe this. Nevertheless, I do know in Hebrew and Greek there is no capitalization, even so Moses was called "god-430-elohiym" Ex.7:1 and men called "gods-2316-theos" Jn.10:35.
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@dbspooky- So if believers today are wise enough to make a distinction between the definition of "God/god-430-elohiym in Hebrew and God/god-2316-theos in Greek" then how come the same believers loose their wit when Jesus though called God says He has a GOD? John 20:17? Or how come the Apostles were writing about a LIVING Jesus Christ in Heaven, yet they still say THE GOD and FATHER of Our Lord Jesus Christ in 2Cor.11:31, Eph.1:3, and 1 Pet. 1:3? Obviously they believed Jesus also had/has a GOD!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@dbspooky-So I have no problem with Jesus being called God in the Bible, because He is. Nevertheless, I understand that just because one is called God/god it does not make them GOD ALMIGHTY. If we were reading the Hebrew and Greek we would not see any capitalization. So why stop using the wisdom you are forced to use when you see Moses and many others are called "gods-430-elohiym" Ex.7:1,Ex.22:28, Ps.82:6/Jn.10:34-35 etc. when you see Jesus is called God? Jesus is NOT the HIGHEST! Lk.1:32
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@dbspooky- I think it is a shame that trinitarians and oneness believers deny that Jesus Christ says His Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. It is a shame that both say Jesus is the ONLY TRUE GOD when there is only 3 New Testament passages that use TRUE GOD in such a way and not one verse is saying Jesus is the TRUE GOD.
John 17:3 is Jesus speaking, 1Thess.1:9-10 Paul is teaching we are waiting for the TRUE GOD's Son from Heaven, and 1Jn.5:20 says the TRUE GOD has a Son, does Jesus have a Son?
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@dbspooky- So you all can try to undercoverly call me Arian etc. or Unitarian etc. whatever but my allegiance is to YHWH and HIS Son Jesus Christ (whatever the PERFECT precise Hebrew spelling is) and to building up the KINGDOM OF GOD with HIS TRUTHS in attempts to turn souls toward FAITH in HIS Son, so that we know that YHWH's standard is found in HIS Son and then we can move onto perfection in being reconciled back to THE FATHER.
Jesus Christ says He has a GOD 4 times in verse Rev.3:12!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
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@MANUAIM Jesus was God manifested in flesh. He is God in creation, He came to earth being born of a virgin so he was the Son of God in His earthly incarnation so that he can be a sacrifice for the foundation of the world. God has all power to manifest in any form he would wish to, but still be one God and not a pagan trinity.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@dbspooky-Tell me Rev.3:12 dethrones Jesus Christ? It doesn't it glorifies Him. What about 1Cor.14:24-28? What about Jn.14:12,v.28? No... What about Rev.3:21 where Christ tells us that if we overcome we will sit with Him in His Throne as He overcame and has sat down with His FATHER in HIS THRONE? Does that dethrone Christ? NO! See my point is that Jesus Christ has a GOD that is GREATER THAN He is. Yet both oneness and trinitarians attempt to wiggle around this but Prov.21:30 is a sure word!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
crapy video and shit music.
MegaFraudbuster 1 year ago
Let's look at it this way. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. So I will only use scripture. John 1 says that the Word is God and that the Word became flesh. So the Word of God is God and God became flesh...Jesus. John 2:24 "God is a spirit.." Lev. 19:2 "I the Lord your God am holy." So God is the Holy Spirit. Deut. 6:4 says that the the Lord our God is One. Isaiah 45 whole chapter. John 10:30, Ephesians 4:4-6, Acts 4:12, 1 Corinthians. 8:4. No fight just facts. Proverbs 15:32
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
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If anyone would like to watch my series called The Truth about the Trinity, please check them out. There are tons of scriptures on how we should believe. Thank you. :)
Godlovestruth 1 year ago
If trinity was important, Matthew 24:14 would say; when Trinity has been preached, then the end would come. What's important IS the preaching of Gods Kingdom. Now.... What is Gods Kingdom?
Jthetinman 1 year ago
@Jthetinman-By the way what you said did not go over my head.... You are correct preaching the KINGDOM OF GOD is important! But remember what they were told in Matt.28:19...... GO YE THEREFORE AND TEACH all nations...Baptizing them...
If we were to look for this in the Bible we must be honest and say we do not see the Matthew 28:19 formula for water baptism BUT we do .....I repeat WE DO...see this formula via TEACHING.... They made a distinction between the FATHER, Son, and Holy Spirit!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
Also forget to say BLESS YOU zionking47 for your desire to UNITE believers in the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:3....
Maybe you should share your heart in a video about why you feel the CONTENTIOUS aspect of arguing/discussing this doctrine should be done in SHALOM. I have a passage from the Bible that I think would bless you to start your video also...
James 3...It really is a humbling passage. Also forgive me bcuz I have not shown continual meekness in my discussions!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@MANUAIM 6Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. 7Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@MANUAIM o yea, the book of Job chapter 13 says this: 6Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. 7Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@rudyavelino1982-I'm not trying to be rude but can you clearly explain to me what your posting of words even of Job 13. What is the purpose of your post to me, help me understand what you meant and your intentions and how this relates to me or what I posted.
Thanks.
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@MANUAIM There is no such thing as trinity and Job said 8Will ye accept his person? God is 1. 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. He will reproove you if you eccept a trinity. Plus the bible says you can't seperate the love of God.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@rudyavelino1982 - I do not support the trinity or oneness view point, both are false doctrines. Because both believe Jesus is GOD ALMIGHTY....
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM 27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed...IF HE CALLED JESUS MY LARD AND MY GOD, JESUS WOULD HAVE CORRECTED HIM but it was a revelation to Thomas that he is GOD
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Pt.1
You are wrong allow me to explain why. Even if Thomas was calling Jesus my Lord and my God this is not the same as LORD and GOD! See...Jesus was made Lord by His GOD (Acts 2:36), and Jesus was called God by His GOD (Ps.45:6-7; Heb.1:8-9), so why is it a problem for Jesus to be called God and Lord? It is not and it doesn't change Jesus into being GOD ALMIGHTY because He was called Lord and God.
Have you ever studied John 10:34-35, 1Cor.8:5-6, Ex.4:16,Ex.7:1,Ex.22:28?
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood..(SO HE PURCHASED HIS OWN BLOOD; HOW WILL YOU CHANGE THIS SCRIPTURE) 1 JOHN 3:16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. (AND HOW CAN GOD LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US; UNLESS HE WAS MADE FLESH)
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Before I continue, please, ask yourself if GOD ALMIGHTY called Jesus God, and made Him Lord then why would Jesus correct Thomas for magnifying the honour bestowed upon Him by THE FATHER? That's like Jesus telling people don't bow your knee and confess that I am Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER (Phil.2:10-11) that would be rebuking THE FATHER.
Also do you know Thomas was *NOT there when Jesus told them His FATHER is their FATHER and His GOD is their GOD Jn.20:17!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Moses was called 'god-430-elohiym' by YHWH = THE LORD i.e. THE MOST HIGH 'GOD-430-ELOHIYM' in Exodus 7:1 but believers are wise enough to know Moses was not being called GOD ALMIGHTY, but why? Because we look at the context and we see that it was THE LORD who said to Moses "see I have made thee a god to pharoah..." Christ taught that GOD called them gods to whom HIS word came i.e. Jn.10:34-35, see Ps.82:6...
Christ taught THE FATHER IS THE ONE SUPREME GOD Jn.17:3, but why?
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Why did Jesus teach THE FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD (Jn.17:3) when we know He knew TOWRAH according to Jn.10:34-35, so if Jesus understood---> Gen.1:26-27, Ex.4:15-16, Ex.7:1, Ex.22:28, Ps.8:5, Ps.45:6-7, Ps.82:6 etc. knowing that others were called gods-430-elohiym, why did He say THE FATHER is THE ONLY TRUE GOD/ELOHIYM-430(hebrew),THEOS-2316(greek)? Because Jesus *UNDERSTANDS that all others called 'elohiym/theos' became 'gods' after the WORD OF GOD came to them Jn.10:34-35!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM exactly, God said moses was a god with a lowercase letter while thomas called Jesus God capitalized at that, he did not say a lowercase god but he called him the God.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982 -Bless...but in english we use capitalization to make a distinction for our own minds. However, in the hebrew and greek there is no capitalization emphasis. To prove this look up the word "God" in Gen.1...and then look up the word 'god' in Ex.7:1. I bet (without gambling) that you will see "elohiym-430" for both God/god. And this is why I tried to stress the concordance/bible dictionary so that you could study the definitions from the original language.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- In whose image and after whose likeness were we made? Gen.1:26-27... I bet if you study what 'God' means in Gen.1 you will see it is 'elohiym-430'. My point is in whose IMAGE we were made and after whose LIKENESS? Answer it, it is written right there in Genesis 1:26-27. Are you afraid to say what is written, if you are, then don't be afraid anymore because you have Bible backing your words. Now if you don't understand what it means though it is written, pray and study more.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: Do you think God is a lair because it says in Isaiah44:24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Malachi2:10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?So i believe he was speaking his own thoughts, knowing he will someday become flesh in the body of christ.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Not only does Jn.1:3, but Col.1:16-17,1Cor.8:6, Heb.1:2, Heb.2:10 teach that Christ was at creation but that GOD created by Him. In a baseball game when a batter hits a homerun who hit the homerun? The batter right! Okay in the same game, same moment who get get's the glory for the homerun? The entire team, though the GLORY individually belongs to the batter, he shares the glory with everyone on his team. Now even though the batter used a *bat he still alone hit the homerun!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM there you go with worldly metephor. God created alone, by himself so you contradict the bible because Isaiah 44:24 says he created it ALONE, BY HIMSELF. For in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Why do you limit God? the bible says God can do all things. If he wants to come in a burning bush, if he speaks through a donkey, if he comes in flesh, if he pores out his Holy Spirit on all flesh, if he split the sea, if he calms the rageing sea, why do you limit his Power???
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- You need to study more about GLORY. Okay watch this.... You do a powerful work and operate by the SPIRIT OF GOD....heal the sick etc. instantaneous miracle......someone tells you thank you for healing my son, or for fixing my withered hand.... What are you going to say? You had better say, NO...it's the GLORY OF GOD...HE ALONE did the work through me.
So how do you explain it to another? GOD wrought many miracles by the hands of Paul...We co-labour with HIM! 1Cor.3:7-9
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982 - See so though one waters and one plants he that watereth isn't anything neither he that planteth but GOD that giveth the increase. SO though we co-labour with HIM, who did the work? GOD DID IT.... What did Christ teach in John 5:30 teach? Or John14:10- THE FATHER that dwelleth in me HE doeth the works...
GOD was in Christ 2Cor.5:19, GOD was with Christ Acts 10:38 <-----and anointed Him. Signs, wonders and miracles which GOD did by Christ in the midst of them Acts 2:22.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- Show me one scripture in the bible where it ends with Christ? With Him being THE MOST HIGH. You cannot find one...if so show it to me. Even Col.2:9 every oneness student I met tries to make it stand (to make it mean Jesus is GOD ALMIGHTY) but everyone of you take one verse and contextualize it around your doctrine vs. contextualize it around the very context you took it from. Col.1:19 explains that it pleased THE FATHER to put the fulness in Christ.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-The problem is not me limiting GOD but rather that I have studied beyond the perimeters of both the oneness and trinitarian superstitions.
When did GOD speak through a donkey? See...this is what I'm talking about. You mention if HE speaks through a donkey (though you can try to say you were generalizing it...I know all the above mentioned are from the Bible) The only thing is that HE opened the mouth of the donkey, not spoke through the donkey...you must go back again.
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM So your doctrine is far more false then the church in the book of acts and the catholic trinity.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Prove false anything I said about Jesus or THE FATHER's IDENTITY. Quote me, since I did give scriptures and concordance numbers for what I said.
Also the Apostles all wrote present tense i.e. past tense Jesus' resurrection and ascension AND THEY believed He had a GOD.1Pet.1:3,Eph.1:3,Eph.1:17, 2Cor.11:31. John the Apostle himself records the word(s) of GOD ALMIGHTY Rev.1:1-2, Jn.5:9-13. James 2:19, James 3:9, Jude 1:1. All the Apostles with letters believed Jesus had a GOD!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-I know power belongs to GOD, but Jesus was give all power...and all power in Mt.28:18 does not mean OMNIPOTENCE, it means all liberty, as in ability to exercise power... but it was still delegated to Him. Who gave it to Him? Who made Jesus Lord Acts 2:36! I hear oneness believers always slamming everyone with Acts 2:38 (I was water baptized according to Acts 2:38 also) but yet just 2 verses earlier they miss where it says Jesus was made Lord! Man Jesus is *NOT GOD ALMIGHTY!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Have we not all one Father? Okay..so who is Jesus' Father? Okay..allow me to slightly avoid your answer as I point to John 20:17 to listen to Jesus tell us Himself. Okay so according to Jesus His FATHER is His GOD...so who created Jesus? The same ONE SUPREME GOD that created in the beginning. Col.1:15..Firstborn of every creature, Rev.3:14....The beginning of the creation of GOD.... and creature in Col.1:15 and creation in Rev.3:14 is same the definition. Christ was created!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM Psalm 148:1Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
1 Corinthians 15:47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. (speaking of Adam and Jesus) Luke 10:21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,(show me where the bible says there is 2 Lords because all I know is 1 Lord 1 faith and 1 baptism
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Okay watch this closely... So if all you know is Eph.4:5 right...by the way you err in thinking it is 1 as in a numerical one versus one after the other. How many Baptism's is it? Is not there a water baptism unto repentance, and then a water baptism unto faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ? Acts 19:2-5? Is there not also a Baptism of the Holy Spirit? How many Baptism's is it? See... you need to start defining what you are reading if you are going to teach/preach!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- I'll show you where there is more than 2 Lords, there are lords many (1Cor.8:5).
In 1Sam.25:24-31 David is called lord....the same 113 definition of lord in this passage that David is called, in Ps.110:1 Jesus is called Lord-113 and THE FATHER is LORD-3068.
Ps.110:1-The *LORD said unto my *Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David is talking about THE FATHER saying to Jesus Mk.12:36/Mt.22:41-46/Acts 2:25-36....
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982
Acts 2
32-This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.33-Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.34-For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35-Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Then let's read v.36
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-
Acts 2:36-Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Jesus was made Lord by His GOD Acts 2:36!
Isa.61:1-3 is about Jesus Luke 4:18-21! Whose Spirit was upon Him?
Acts 10:38-How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Who anointed Jesus? GOD did!
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM Jesus is Father according to the prophesy of Isaiah 9:6 "His name shall be called The everlasting Father". Like I said, you limit his power because he can do all things.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-Jesus was explaining in John 10:34-36 that He did not make Himself God, and He went into doctrine out of the Hebrew Scriptures, and then clarified that He said He was the Son of GOD. By the way in Acts 23:1-5 Paul the Apostle submitted himself to the Ex.22:28 doctrine so Paul even understood the doctrine of *MANY elohiym/theos...thus in 1Cor.8:5 he taught 'gods' many and 'lords' many in heaven and earth but ONE SUPREME GOD, THE FATHER, v.6. just like Christ in Jn.17:3
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM that still don't explain the scripture were he purchased his own blood and he (GOD HIMSELF) layed down his life for us. Don't forget, I believe he was 100% man and 100% GOD so when he spoke, he spoke at times as a Man and at times he spoke in his Divine nature. As a man, he slept, he got hungy and he bled, but as God he healed the sick, forgave people of thier sins and calmed the rageing sea because by him(speaking of Jesus) were all things created; colossians1:16
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@MANUAIM So Blessed are they that have not seen and yet got the revelation that he is Lord and God because he says because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed...
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982- Let us be accurately precise concerning the context of Jesus' words to Thomas and what context they were in. Did not the others tell Thomas the Lord had risen? And Thomas said what(?) that he would not believe unless he seen in His hands the print of the nails and put his finger into the print of the nails, and put his hand into His side he would not believe that Christ had risen from the dead. The context was *NOT, believe without seeing that Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY. No sir..
MANUAIM 11 months ago
@MANUAIM so you change that scripture by leaning unto your own understanding because it says what it says. and even Stephen called upon God saying Jesus recieve my spirit.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@MANUAIM Acts7: 59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 9:5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: titus2:13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@rudyavelino1982-It seems we believe in the words of our teachers over the words of Jesus Christ as we know them to be written. Jesus says HIS FATHER is greater than Him i.e. Jn.14:12,v.28, 1Cor.11:3 supports it, but believers in The Body of Christ say Jesus is equal to THE FATHER(?!?!?!) based on Jn.5:18 because the jews said Christ made Himself equal & Phil.2:5-6 which just does not say Christ is equal to THE FATHER!
Jesus has a GOD now and will FOREVER. Rev.3:12, Heb.13:8
Shalom/Peace
MANUAIM 11 months ago
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@MANUAIM Yes, when he said HIS FATHER is greater then him, he was speaking in his Human nature...Hebrews 2:9But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death,..(AND REMEMBER, GOD WILL NOT GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANOTHER AND HE IS NOT A LIAR) Isaiah 42:8I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
rudyavelino1982 11 months ago
@HermanoRicardo336 Ok... theologically correct... is that better?
zionking47 1 year ago
@zionking47 Yes! Now we all need to study to show ourselves approved as workmen for the Lord. We must declare to the world the Truth as God has written it in His Holy Word, the Bible. THAT is being theologically correct or "thinking God's thoughts after Him." Truth matters. He died for His sheep and WILL save and keep them!
HermanoRicardo336 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Hello... Listen I made this video and posted it.. many of you are on here fighting... if it continues on I will delete all the comments and no one else will be able to talk on here. All of you stop arguing and go out and evangalize and pray for people... stop wasting time
zionking47 1 year ago
not all scripture was inspired by God. in the Catholic encyclopedia they did a bit of changing to Gods inspired word they wrote Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: original words were Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of Jesus. So the Catholics change this and you believe it BUT GOD knew this and the now the revelation is in THE NAME NOT NAMES research it for yourself
purrtikat 1 year ago
IF we believe there is ONLY 1 numerical GOD then when Jesus says HIS FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD, then how come we don't stop right there? Jn.17:3....People say John the Apostle wrote to prove Jesus was GOD ALMIGHTY and this is not true. John the Apostle in John 20:31 tells us who he wrote of us to believe Jesus is.....not only in the gospels but also in 1 John 5:13 he clearly tells us what he believed AND who Jesus is...The Son of GOD! Come on....please wake up.
MANUAIM 1 year ago
I think it would do the Saints, especially the ministers i.e. those who preach and teach to have a bible dictionary & concordance and learn how to use it. I know we have access to hear from THE HOLY SPIRIT OF YHWH to understand what is written but even then it is safe to try what we are hearing with what is written. So it goes back to understanding what is written.
There are simple misunderstandings that would be removed if we seriously studied with a concordance/lexicon etc.
MANUAIM 1 year ago
Seriously if we were just to read the pages of the Bible and NOT dig in to the concordance/bible dictionary etc. WE would have to acknowledge the fact that Jesus Christ says that He has a GOD! In fact He says His FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD! Jn.17:3 Jesus in HEAVEN prophesied that even in the New Jerusalem He will have a GOD Revelation 3:12..... So if the argument in our biblical camps is that Jesus only had a GOD according to the FLESH then why in Heaven does He still have a GOD? Rev.3:12
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@MANUAIM Hello... Listen I made this video and posted it.. many of you are on here fighting... if it continues on I will delete all the comments and no one else will be able to talk on here. All of you stop arguing and go out and evangalize and pray for people... stop wasting time
zionking47 1 year ago
@zionking47- I'm in the streets, I am on the phone, online, in the church etc. evangelizing & in prayer for both believers & unbelievers; however, the moment DISCUSSING DOCTRINE in the biblical community becomes IRRELEVANT, then DECEPTION will fortify itself in our camps!
You must understand that the oneness & trinitarian doctrine (at the very least the oneness doctrine) DENY that The Son of GOD has come in the flesh 1Jn.4:1-3.
How is defending that the SON OF GOD has come wasting time?
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@zionking47....and I am not trying to be disrespectful to you at all because I understand your cry for UNITY in the FAITH, if that is what you are promoting i.e. Unity of the Spirit in the bond of Peace...Eph.4:3..... But FAITH in respect to Jesus Christ (or the precise Aramaic Hebrew name) is that "GOD sent HIS SON to die for our sins and save us etc. Jn.3:16, 1Jn.4:14" when this is twisted into saying that GOD didn't send HIS SON but HE HIMSELF died for our sins THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@zionking47-So with all due respect, I think you have to deal with this issue in the balance. I know sometimes it is very discouraging to see the Saints unable to agree in a "couple~few~several~many" cases but one reason is because in "many" circles this doctrine is not discussed objectively but people are indoctrinated.
I mean no harm to your conscience yet neither is it fair for other believers to try to muzzle & overlook the importance of this doctrine. 1Jn.5:9-13 is unmistakenably clear!
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@zionking47 so if you believe that both are right, you are following the one world religion and one world government that Satan is establishing as we speak. Oneness is in the bible if you minus the ness. trinity isn't in the bible nor 3 gods nor 3 persons unless it was added by the roman Catholics. all non catholic christian trinity churches will join together in these last days with the pagan roman Catholics , but the one God believers will continue to be separated from the world.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@rudyavelino1982 Please... calm down.. study.... listen... hear the still small voice
zionking47 1 year ago
@zionking47job13:6 Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips.
7Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?
8Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic -Forgive me for saying "Honestly are you serious" sometimes my questions are rhetorical or geniunely rhetoric when other times I do not always approach these discussions considering the etc's connected to people following certain things. I don't know how much of your childhood may be connected to you celebrating Easter maybe some of your loves taught you Easter celebration and sometimes it is tough to cope with the possibility that what we were taught was wrong. Peace...
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic ....Honestly can I ask you to humbly reconsider your post please. You say Easter is not Pagan? Honestly are you serious.... Okay...please look in the Bible pay close attention to WHO it was that was celebrating Easter. Because it is written in the Bible but play close attention to who was celebrating it. Because you carry the name of Apostolic in your youtube Moniker but yet none of the Apostles celebrated Easter.
Please consider it AND we are told to LOVE THE TRUTH...
MANUAIM 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Look up pictures of the pope and compare them to priests of dagon the fish god. look at the hats (mitres). representing a fish mouth (dagon). Tell me where hats are even necessary in the bible? I can keep going on and on. Wonder why there is so much filth in there? Because scripture says so - Read Rev 17:5 - Ever wondered why catholics abstain marriage for priests - 1Tim 4:1-7. They also have been involved in child abuse and homosexuality. I hope you see and come out of babylon.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Ever seen the triangle used to show the trinity? the eye of osiris, the all seeing eye. Look on the back of a dollar bill my friend, where do you suppose that pyramid came from with the eye in it? Egypt? Ever heard of the free masons? Connect the letters m-a-s-o-n by the pyramid. What does it form? A pentagram. The sun god was reincarnated every year on the shortest day of the year. Guess what day? December 25th. Ever wondered why the papal powers wear so much clothes and hats?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic It says secret or inner chambers or rooms. When catholics eat bread and drink wine for the Lods supper, they say it becomes the real flesh and blood of the Lord. So superficial and pagan, sometimes they even do this is an inner room. As when they baptize babies - people go around saying i was born catholic, or i was born christian. They idolize mary, idolize crosses - when crosses don't mean anything, it is the Lord Jesus the Messiah who is important.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Can you see now? Do not be blind to the works of the devil, he is all around you. Look at the buddhist in japan - san pao fuh - three in one god. Multiple nations have a trinity formula of a father mother and son/child god incarnate. When this mystery religion was set up in babel, the people were scattered and thus it split into all parts of the world. The idea is one of mystery, and that one can be "enlightened". God is no secret, either is the Messiah. Remember Matt 24:26?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic For if you hear what I am speaking of, the sun god - osiris, horus, isis, then why do you suppose the catholic church changed the day of worship to Sunday instead of saturday? sun day is the day of the sun god. Where do they get their rosary beads - ancient mexican religions, commonly used among the brahmins of hindustan in their sacred hindu books it speaks of it, also common in buddhism. Ever notice how much they carry crosses around? Look up an egyptian ankh of life.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Look up history for yourself, if i tell you will you believe me? Probably not so look it up for yourself if you truly care about your salvation. The roman church is the great harlot of revelation. Babylon is Rome, the beast is the Papl power. Seek the truth my friend, this mystery babylon religion has been around for a long time. Remember the tower of babel - Remember Nimrod and His Wife? Semiramis queen of babylon. You should study to see if i speak truth, hold me accountable.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Queen of heaven (Jer 7:18, 44:17-19, 25) is the title for the pagan babylonian goddess istar. better know in english as "easter", the goddess of fertility - represented by eggs - like when ovulating (producing eggs) means fertility. The roman catholic church has tainted all the nations with her pagan doctrines (spiritual fornication) thus all nations are drunk off her wine of immorality (Rev 18:3-4) But God is calling his people out of her - the corrupt doctrines of babylon.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic I'll tell you where the words trinity, incarnation, etc. came from. Egyptian babylon religions. Osiris, Horus, Isis - Egyptian religions spread into pagan Rome/greece - thus infiltrating the Roman Catholic Church. The egyptian trinity involved the Father (Osiris) the Son (Horus) and the Mother (Isis) - the roman catholics hold to this in their trinity of the Father, Son, and Mary - the Mother of God incarnate. Mary is called the queen of heaven. What does that mean?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Wrong, Jesus implied He is One with the Father in Unity. Just like God has set up our marriage - two shall become one flesh. Jesus also prayed for us to be One with Him and the Father in John 17 21-22. We have the same Oneness with Jesus and the Father. Are we God now? No, this is what it means to "know" the only true God (Father) and Jesus Christ - to know (intimate relationship), just as we "know" our wives - it represents this Oneness and Unity.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic In the same way, your doctrine cancels out the relationship of Jesus and God. Is Jesus and the Father are both God - how can God interact with Himself? How can God be spirit and Jesus NOT be spirit (Luke 24:39) if Jesus is God? How can Jehovah speak to the Lord (adon=master) of David in Psalm 110, if Jehovah is this Lord as well? Jesus would have no need to cry out to God on the cross if he was God - otherwise he would be a schizophrenic. Do you believe Jesus or modern soceity?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic John 16:28 - correct translation from the greek reads And Now I leave the world and go to the Father. Not again I leave the world....Even so, if Jesus did say Again I leave the world - When did he leave the world the first time? He didn't leave the world but One Time, that was when he ascended into heaven to be seated at God's Right Hand. Even so, the pre existence of Messiah really is a backburner issue compared to other things at hand.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic At the same time you reject they had a relationship - The Father and the Son are both God - How can God have a loving relationship Himself and Give his Only Begotten Self?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Is that Ok
dktacts23 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Don't give me ur email, just go to my page, and where it says "send message" hit that and just start writing, that does'nt give ur personal email, just with youtube
dktacts23 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Yes the son posses two nature's human and divine
dktacts23 1 year ago
@dktacts23 What scriptures say the Son has two natures, human and divine?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Hey if its ok, go to my account page and send me an email, and lets look at this from there. Go to my youtube page if that ok with you and lets look at this view from every angle, there's not enough space for that.
dktacts23 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Very good, and hebrews 5:7 shows a distinction of his natures
dktacts23 1 year ago
@dktacts23 How does hebrews 5:7 show two natures of Jesus - it says he was flesh and he cried out to the One who was able to save Him from death - Who was that? The same One he prayed to in John 17:3 - The Only True God, the Father.
markpaghi 1 year ago
You are trying to relate human reasoning with divine scripture, God"s ways are not our way's, nor his thought's our thought's, Love does not require two person's, God made it very clear to the Jews all about God's divine nature.
dktacts23 1 year ago
@dktacts23 Where do you think our reason and logic came from then?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic Well first Matt 27:46, this was not a withdrawl of the divine spirit, but a with holding of divine help. Taken from PSALM 22:1. The relationship between the father and son shows a distinction between natures, not persons, Hebrews 5:7; 1peter 3:18; 1peter 4:1; Colo 1:22; Acts 2:31; PSALM 65:2,
dktacts23 1 year ago
@dktacts23 You cannot have a conversation with yourself, love yourself, obey yourself, worship yourself, cry out to yourself, etc. This is not a "nature", this is two people interacting - that is, Jesus and the Father, who is the Only True God. If this were merely two "nature' then that would make Jesus a schizophrenic. Jesus said he was the way to the Father - Do you believe this? To you, he IS the Father, not the WAY to the Father - Do we stop at Jesus or go THROUGH Jesus?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic So Jesus is both the father and son in flesh, not 2 distinct persons within the Godhead,
dktacts23 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic The "Father" would referr to his Deity as God in flesh, It was God who is our father come in flesh. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? Isaiah 9:6 is a messanic passage and states that the messiah would posses these characteristics, or attributes, called The EverLasting Father, so Jesus as God manifest in the flesh 1Timothy3:16, is also God the father in flesh as the man Jesus Christ the messiah, which make Jesus the one God, the father manifest in the flesh.
dktacts23 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic And yes this same person was on the cross, Jesus did not suffer and die as God, but he suffered and died according to his humanity. It was the flesh of God that died on that cross, not a second divine person within the nature of this one God, but it was God Himself that robed Himself in flesh as "the Son" and died on that cross.
dktacts23 1 year ago
@dktacts23 If Jesus did not really die, but merely escaped the flesh body, then who Died for your sins my friend? Who took the death penalty upon himself to make atonement for our sins? If God raised Jesus from the dead - According to the Book of Acts - Then How could God, being Jesus, raise Himself from the dead, if in fact he WAS dead? How could God being Jesus exalt himself to His Own Right Hand? How could a mere body cry out to God on the cross. Rev 3:12 is after Jesus' resurrection-what now
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic First let me say thank you for writing me, and I hope we can keep in touch, this helps me stay on my toes. Jesus did not hide his identity from his "OWN" disciples, but not all of his own disciples had the revelation of his deity and humanity, thats was jesus said to philip have I been so long with you and you have not known me philip. So philip did not completely get the revelation of Christ Supreme Deity and also his humanity. And to your question about the cross.
dktacts23 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic I have no problem with that, The son and the father are one in everything, and the one and same person. God had already made it clear in the OT that he was alone, by himself, none with him, no other god or non othe person with him. He was alone and by himself at creation, non like him, non equal with. All through out the book of Isaiah.
dktacts23 1 year ago
@dktacts23 Jesus also made this clear in Matt 12:29-30 - The Jehovah is One and you shall worship and serve no other gods. What did Jesus do? Pray to the Father, Cry Out to the Father, Worship the Father, Obey and Serve the Father - Did Jesus obey the Torah? Yes he did or else he would not be sinless - Did Satan try to temp Him to disobey God, just like he tempted the first Adam? Yes, but Jesus being the second Adam succeeded where the first Adam failed - Jesus obeyed God and resisted the devil.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@TriuneApostolic I had already explained what that phrase "son of God" referrs to. But I see you like to pick and choose your scriptures, 1Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh, God was in the son, 2Corth 5:19, matt 1:23 God with us, Jesus said I and my father are one, Jesus said, if you've seen me, you've seen the father, God is not a triune God.
dktacts23 1 year ago