dw my mum was kicked out of the church for divorcing her abusive husband. when she asked for advice they said she couldnt come back. we attended this church for many years, the place is a disgrace to me now.
Wow, you people are ridiculous. Lets just believe everyone who puts a video on youtube. Everything you read on the internet must be right, there cant be another side to this right? Ridiculous. By the way, lose only has one "o".
I think its funny that ya'll are bashing Hillsong about unforgiveness. Even if this is true, TRY FORGIVENESS YOURSELF! No wonder the world only see's hypocrisy in the church.
you don`t really know jesus why you peaolple thinkthat be a christhian is synonim of be poor and live poor if a bill clinton can be rich why god can`t give to here sons money and goog things if peolpe that don´t search him nothing have money car and that stuff why can´t have it a christian mmm......no if a christian have it is bad is corruption but if other have it it`s ok........i don´t thing sooooo god bless you
May-be Brian Houston better hope jesus is more forgiving with him, than he was with Orehek.Doesn't matter what he did, thought christians were supose to forgive. Forgive a molestor, but not a bad bussiness man.HMMM
unplug the electric power cord and the rock n roll freak show will end, this church is not just about money, it is filled with music worship, worship music. music lovers. hillsong church is giving christianity a bad name agree with True Shalom
@gbilios "you have the right to believe that but we don't..by their deeds we shall know them.. " Yes we know their deeds! We can all see how they worship mans instruments! Unplug the power cord and return to the hymns and lets see how many people will be left!
If you are willing please debate me on this so far the music lovers are to chicken, they do not have one verse to support their rock n roll freak show! The tongues speaking and healing is all a fake! Hillsong is a joke.
@gbilios ".i agree hillsong is a joke. " Please tell me why you think this? i would also like to know what your own position is, do you belong to a hillsong church?
@gbilios ".they thought god wanted them to be rich but when bad things happened in their life they ran away. money is a necessity but we can't take it with us in the afterlife. " Ye same with the rock n roll freak show! Unplug the power cord and the church will be empty!! Just curious why do you use the word "afterlife"? That word is strongly associated with the Muslim faith. Anyway as you say "money is necessary" but it is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money itself
@gbilios "Jesus said carry the cross and follow me.. " more precisely Jesus said "deny yourself and take up your cross daily" Your point is obviously about the money thing, but my objection has to do with the rock n roll freak show. The New testament commands us to sing not play. There is a very unhealthy and unholy emphasis on music in the church, to the point where it is considered a gift from the Holy Spirit. And anyone who does not have this "love of music" is considered unspiritual
@GhettoBlastersKrewSA Perhaps you are starting a different topic. I believe the Hillsong church would never exist if they sang hymns, which is commanded in the bible. If bands were so important, Jesus would have formed a band. that is why i say unplug the power cord and we will see how genuine some of those music lovers are. I bet the church will be empty, so you have to question their sincerity. I have no doubt music is destroying the church
@outbackcafe A hymn is defined as "a song or ode in praise or honor of god, a deity, a nation, etc." By that definition, is the music that Hillsong plays not a collection of hymns? Unplug the power chord, and how do you plan on amplifying the speaker to be heard by the entire congregation? I happen to attend a large church not unlike Hillsong, and we have had several services without electric instruments (some even without a band), all with huge turnouts. How can music be destroying the church?
@froggerchanovsky Thank you for that definition a "song" not music, this further supports my claims. When you say your church sang a hymn and the church was full, does your church sing hymns only or does it throw in a hymn every now and then? Because if it does than this does not count as your church knows full well that the rock n roll freak will begin straight after that hymn is finished. Remove the rock n roll and then come back to me with the results
@outbackcafe Read my post again. I said we have had entire services without electric instruments, as well as entire services without a band. All of which have drawn as many as a standard Sunday with the full electric band.
Also, are you trying to tell me that Hillsong doesn't perform songs in praise of God? Most of the songs they release are the pure definition of a hymn.
@froggerchanovsky Your initial post never used the words " entire services" but thanks for clearing that up, First up i do not deny that a church that sings hymns can thrive and survive in fact i know of one that has over 1000 members. A church that uses rock n roll in its services and calls it worship will not survive if they returned to the hymns. So once again remove the rock n roll freak show and come back to me with the results
@outbackcafe You still haven't realised that a definition of a hymn is a song of worship. Why must rock music and worship be mutually exclusive? What is it you define as a hymn exactly? Must it be a Gregorian chant? A classical SATB choir?
@froggerchanovsky The definition of a hymn is simple, hymns are used for praising God in a clear and concise way. Once you add rock n roll to words you have introduced entertainment and distortion. I know for sure God hates the mixture. i can supply you biblical references if you like. let me ask you a question is there any music that you consider unGodly? For example do you think heavy metal, grunge, techno or rap, should this be used in the church?
@outbackcafe Classical hymns not entertaining? That's subjective. Also, most classical hymns are far more musically complex than anything Hillsong have ever written, and the prose they use is much more convoluted and varied than Hillsong's lyrics. How is that more "clear and concise"? I don't like most of those genres you mentioned and don't think they should be used in MOST churches, but there is nothing unGodly about them in my opinion, and I'm sure some people could worship with them.
@outbackcafe From the New Testament? There are Old Testament verses that contradict what you're saying, verses that, as far as I'm aware, aren't nullified by anything in the New Testament. "And David danced before the Lord with all his might." "Let them praise His name in the dance." Both verses that strongly support movement/dancing in worship of God.
Amos 6:5 is critical of Davids music! David also had a man killed so he can have his wife, our example is Christ.
If music is what motivates you to go to church then i think we have a very big problem. If music is the love of your life than please stay with me on this one and debate me, in fact go and get your pastor and lets see if he can justify this rock n roll freak show!
@outbackcafe The Lord called David "a man after his own heart". But please tell me then, as our example is Christ (exclusively, apparently), what does Jesus have to say about what instruments can or cannot be used in worship of God?
Poor choice of words, sir. Music does not motivate me to go to church, could I not instead go to one of several other music venues on a Sunday? Regardless, God has given me a love for music, and I use that love as a way to show my adoration for my King.
@froggerchano Jesus did not talk about abortion! So does that make it ok?
What can be claimed without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence!
The son of God could easily have formed a band. Instead he sand hymns, as did all the apostles. God did not give you a love for rock n roll. Rock n roll is something you like and therefore want to impose it on everyone else.
Basically you want your cake and eat it to. So far you have not been successful nor convincing with any of your arguments
@outbackcafe Comparing rock music to abortion? Really?
I don't listen to much rock music, but I find it easier to worship to, when done similar to Hillsong's style, than what I listen to for musical joy. More straightforward/simple; the music isn't too complicated to distract from the message. How exactly am I imposing worship using rock music on "everyone else"?
At this stage I must point out your arguments about "hymns" lose integrity when you can't even process the definition of a hymn.
@froggerchanovsky One thing is for certain hymns are not a rock n roll freak show. It's NOT the lyrics! It's the MUSIC! that you like. and this music be it hillsong or whatever, is no different to the worlds music
How can the Holy Spirit of the Bible use fleshly music?
Pentecostals/charismatics impose their style and love of music on every church they infiltrate. Satan found a way in and he has defiled Christian music!
Rock has always been and will always be the "devils' music"!
@outbackcafe Gallican Chant was the music of the world before the church/Pope Gregory decided to have people write songs to God using the style. So is Gregorian Chant (and everything following, including classical hymns) the "devil's music" as well?
I can't believe I've entertained your backwards and deeply flawed thinking this long. I fear for any non-Christian who stumbles across you as their first exposure to Christianity.
@frogge All i asked was that you back up your arguments with scripture, so far it is you that has failed. Just like the rich young man that refused to give up his money, if proven wrong will you also give up your love for rock n roll?
Jesus said in Luke 16:8, ". . . the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."
The world knows there's no such thing as Christian rock music
Just like there's no such thing as "Christian adultery" or "Christian homosexuality'
@outbackcafe I wasn't backing up my arguments with Scripture, because none of your criticisms were even based on anything in the Bible to begin with.. Whenever you used Scripture, it was completely out of context or irrelevant to your core point. How am I supposed to use Scripture to argue against something which is not based in anything the Bible covers?
@froggerchanovsky "How am I supposed to use Scripture to argue against something which is not based in anything the Bible covers?" All this from a person who didn't even know Jesus sang hymns. The bible covers hymns but not a rock n roll freak show. I have given you several verses from the NT, so far you have not given me any verses from the NT to back up your claims. If hymns were good enough for Jesus and the apostles than why do you promote worldly music in Gods church?
@outbackcafe Once again missing the point entirely. I never once said anything that could be misconstrued by a clear thinking person as "Jesus didn't sing hymns". Every definition you've given so far for a hymn can be applied to most of Hillsong's music. Sure, Jesus didn't sing it in Hillsong's style, possibly because our contemporary rock music wasn't around at the time. Is it also unholy to use the internet for conversation because Jesus always spoke to people in person?
@froggerchanovsky Let me just sum it all up for you, Yes Jesus sang hymns, Yes the apostles sang hymns, Yes the new testament church endorsed hymns. Hymns are for everyone whereas hillsongs rock n roll freak show is not for everyone. Drums were around in biblical times but never used by the church. Your internet example is a weak analogy, you have got to come up with something better than that! Bring the hillsong church into to this debate i would love to be proven wrong
@TrueShalom The question must be asked then what do you perceive as "true" Christianity. I formally attended Hillson. I had no money to offer them in fact I am on the Disability Support pension. Now I have not been going along to that church for some time because I moved away but they still ring to see how I am. So please do not critize what you do not know.
church is not business after all...so stop comparing God's work aka Church with business profit, recruiting work, and else...so mundane, we might loose the point of living a Godly life and fellowship with God and with others at Church
Satan is able to mimic Christ. In II Corinthians 11: 14-15, Paul warns that false teachers will transform themselves into the apostles of Christ. "And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light," Paul says. While the charismatic movement may appear Christ-like to those seeking the truth, in fact it deceives and leads astray. It is anti-Christ, against the Christ of scripture.
brians church is not about forgiveness,its all geared to one thing,lets hope there are some good christians in the Feds and they have him scrictly monitered
Until last year the Hillsong pastor Houston failed to declare he had sold their property holdings to a Hillsong-related entity of which he is director, Leadership Ministries Incorporated. Bobbie sold a Bondi beachfront apartment on the same block as Jamie Packer's to the not-for-profit LMI for $650,000 in 2002. The couple also sold a waterfront property on the Hawkesbury River in 2004 to LMI for $780,000, making $535,000 on their 1998 purchase price. They continue to use both these properties.
LMI is the tax-free entity Hillsong set up as a vehicle to pay the couple's income. In breach of Office of Fair Trading rules, no financial statements had been lodged since its inception in October 2001. Only after the property deals were uncovered by The Australian were the accounts filed in August last year. When the numbers came in they revealed the golden couple got a measly net income, after donations, of just $21,658 in the year to December 2002, $12,739 in 2003 and $69,041 in 2004.
Cannot believe religious idiots would defend a money grubbing greedy church. Unbelieveable. I was attending Hill Song for over 2 years and I know what I have seen. The church was built by a child molester and greed was his suit and tie. I had given up on blind fools going in there and paying them money and keeping them rich. Your all fools. You dont see what I see. It is because you do not want to see. therefore, I shake the dust of my shoes and walk away from ALL corrupted churches.
if i go inside a garage , it doesn't make me a car. attending a christian church doesn't make someone a christian. maybe that man went to church but was still faithless. you need background checks to prove all of this nonsense.
You have terrible grammar and spelling hilsongchurch. Do you think you could add an apostrophe where appropriate in "its" as an abbreviation of "it is". Oh and loose and lose are two different words with two different meanings. I pray for you, that God will forgive you for denouncing His name and a church that worships him. I love Hillsong, the church has changed my life and brought me closer to God. How is that wrong? Praise God. Amen.
ok, i see someone has already asked that. i still think there is more to it.
you're just selectively presenting the facts. For example, the media makes a big deal out of boat people coming into australia, and you probably think its a huge huge terrible issue, BUT did you know that less than 4% of illegal immigrants come to australia by boat? 4% is a very negligible amount...!!!!
Umm sorry to spoil the party, but does anyone actually know more facts about this case?? I doubt it. You're just going by what you see in a YouTube viedo. YOUTUBE KNOWS ALL?? I failed a test a few years ago, I don't think HillSong would ban me... did you ever think there is something more involved that what your're reading in this video?????
I THINK YOU HAVE NEVER HAD A CLOSER WHIT JESUS, HILLSONG IS A CHURCH blessed by God, AND IS TRHUT, SO GOD BLESS HIM, YOU ARE JEALOUSY BECAUSE YOU DON´T HAVE NOTHING
and you can't spell. all the facts are there. there is no god and if you're blind enough to believe in god then you'll be blind enough to give your money to hillsong
its sad you don't know how blind you are actually. there is no god and if they were he doesn't associate with hillsong. christians are not good people you're all liars and hypocrites. go shove a cross up your &%*$! all the people in these churches are just money grabbers. god isn't about money if he existed.
this is just a typical case of someone who has met or heard about a couple of Christians who are a bit corrupt and automatically assumes they are all the same dont be so quick to judge and as far as the hillsong church is concerened yes there have been cases where thay have made mistakes and their leaders (some of them) have been idiotic but i mean that doesnt mean you can condem the whole church
hey bro. la blasfemia contra el Espíritu Santo no tiene perdón. So, Habla bien de los demas y sigue predicando el Evangelio. no critiques el ministerio de otros. God bless you all.
yah Hillsong United (the band) is the youth worship group FROM the church, the main worship leader from United is Joel Houston, who is the son of the founder and senior paster of the Hillsong church, Brian Houston.
but this video is a joke. the actual Hillsong church is so blessed by God. they brought SO many people to Christ and are CONTINUALLY doing so.
and Hillsong United is just a youth worship group from the original church in Sydney Australia. they travel around the world and are very well known.
there are other Hillsong churches around the world, like in the UK, South Africa, Ukraine, and a few other places.. but Hillsong United is from Australia.
all churches are just pedophile money stealing shams. there is no god. they just exploit people. like seriously the way they treat and view women is just bs
You can only accomplish sowing by dying to self and selfish want and your reaping will be an eternity in heaven...NOT!!! Money FOR MORE MONEY!!!...BOLONY...
I want to defend hillsong, because there has been so much good that has come from their ministry. Anyway find me a person that is perfect, find me a ministry that in perfect wow I can't find one at all. I Know what I'm talking about, I've been a christain for 26 years, misionary for 11 years. keep our eyes on the author and finisher of our faith. We look for heros, their is only one hero for us JESUS
I will pray. Not for the author of this video (but yeah, may God give ya good health), or for the critics (good health to ya too). But for the truth to come out quickly.
This month is the one year anniversary of what the ones that stayed have christened "Black Sunday, October 12, 2007". And the church, after losing over 3000 people PLUS almost all of its workforce (only 20 something percent remained) on that day, TODAY, we have recovered, we have more people than last time, and the annointment is more powerful, regardless of all the bashing and all the talks about him being a "false prophet"...
As christians, we follow God, not men. HIS Word, not men's word. Keep that in mind when you go to ANY church.
I don't go to Hillsong, heck, I ain't even on the east side of the planet, I'm on the other side. But, I felt this opinion was necessary, especially when my church was going through tough times, cuz one of the elders denounced in a mid-sunday service that the pastor commited adultery and swindled money from offerings... satan's favorite tactic, hurt the pastor to disperse the sheep...
Rather than bash the video or the critics to it, I'll post a middle-ground solution.
If a church is truly a real and good church, it'll stand, regardless of the bashing, because God will keep it strong. If it ain't a good church, no matter how much cash it's got, no matter how many people go to it, no matter what they help in charities, it WILL crumble over time, because it is out of God's grace.
Only TIME will tell if the person making this video or the ones against it is right or wrong
I am not a as you have suggested "glazed eye" devotee of pastors brian or bobbie but I DO SUPPORT the work of the church.
Why are you being critical for critics sake------the church IS NOT successful for any other reason other than for being tried,tested and TRUE TO GOD'S WORD.
Nothing else I would kindly request It of you that YOU DO NOT post any further CRITICISMS of the church FOR CRITICIMS sake.
"They recruit on emotion not religion" you say........well let me tell you that many people If not for the good work of "HILLSONG" would have just been left to fend for themselves or die on the street.
God knows and sees the work that they do It Is a SOUND WORK based on BIBLICAL principal and for you sir to blow the trumpet of vitrolic criticism Is UNFOUNDED.
Tell me how would you approach women who have been left alone and made to feel Isolated as a result of sexual abuse
When God gives you an account for how you've spent your time on this earth, are you going to hear well done my good and faithful servant, or are you going to hear the names of the families that would have gone to Hillsong Church and gotten saved but didn't because the watched all of these videos?
I am going to hear about all those who went to hellsong and lost heaven and I will hear about those who saw my video and were saved..even if its only 1 or 2 my reward will be great..
I have no fear to stand up on judgement day because I tried to warn other of the false prophets..
feel free to follow liars theives and child abusers..but I want my church to be foundered on greater things
2 Peter 2:1-3 (NIV) ..there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.
@hillsongchurch What happens if someone makes a video about you and your life and posts it all up and says they are teaching people about how you are a false prophet. You sound very bitter and this is not the way of Christ why do you care so much about how bad Hillsong is there are churches that are far worse and you know what who cares Christ calls us to love - they will be judged by God if they are wrong.
This is not bitter..a little bit angry that my tax dollars are support this cult (founded by a pedophile) and the Houstons multi million dollar lifestyle and property portfolio..but not bitter
When I claim public funding for my personal gain..thats when I would expect someone to hold me up to public scrutiny
and I want the same for Hillsong
and there are plenty worse than Hillsong..lets say Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland..but they dont live in my city and defraud my tax dollars
@hillsongchurch I for one think your channel is amazing, and you've done great work in exposing hillsong and bringing people back to reality. We can serve ourselves, or serve others in this world, and you've reminded me of the importance of Christian charity. It's also been VERY revealing to see how Hill$ong members jusify their church through their commenting.
I really would like to know how blessed your church is. I might be looking for a new church. Since you claim that Hillsong is such a terrible place. Your church must be the best since you are so quick to point out the faults of Brian Houston. I would really like to visit and see what it is all about.
ha ha... of course you are. How mysterious of you... I doubt you will be sitting behind me, i go to Naraweena Baptist Church, seems like your more of a Hillsong Church goer than i am... How ironic!
I understand that you must have been hurt somewhere along the way to be so bitter and sceptical, and for that i am sorry... But seriously, life is too short... Get over it and make the most of your life... Concentrate on your own family and your own church and your own relationship with God...
I make 1 video a month.. a hobby not life consumming.but If even 1 person looks elsewhere for God, then its time well spent
Anyone who is looking for god wont stop because of me..the may stop going to Hillsong but thats the whole point.this is not about me being hurt..its about the many I see and know who have lost their religion because of their involvement with this church..
this church looses 50% of their members every 5 years..the high drop out is because they recruit on emotion not religion
So are you prepared to tell everyone who you are and where you are from? Or are you happy to hide behind your crappy videos and ridiculous statements?
I would be happy to meet anyone and talk about this except the nature of this church is that I have been threatened many times by glazed eyed devotees of the Houstons, many would like nothing more then to find out where I live
Sorry, maybe you could have led the angry mob to purg the evil . Only a brainwashing Cult like Hillsong can say as bobbie does:"those who critisize us are evil straight from the devil"
So what church do you go to? Your a goose, that has nothing better to do with his time.
Funny you never mention they amount of work churches like this do to help people and the community. Building orphanages in Africa, building houses for people after the Tsunami, caring for the homeless and community in their city, and being the hands and feet of Jesus and getting out there and loving poeple.... ha not bad for a Cult!
Look at the "in their own words" video to see about the tsunami..They made $50 mill that year and gave $500 thou but only if you converted..Im sure God really values those kinds of converts..come to church if you want to eat..
Many time I have spoken of hillsongs charity. On the front page I give the statistics of their charity the comment says:
The 2005 census showed the average Australian gave around $438/person/year to charities..from Hillsongs own figures they gave $226/member/year and a majority of that figure is funding to mercy ministries and emerge..all of which are recruitment arms of the church..
the facts are that when someone joins Hillsong they start contributing less to society and the rest of the money normal people give to charity goes to fund the light and sound show
yes i would love to know which church you go to or are you afraid to say because you have bashed Brian Houston and judged thousands and thousands of God loving Christians who love Hillsong. Would that make your church look bad? Have you as a Christian any idea that you could be leading people away from church and God because of your opinion? When you stand before his throne, I hope for your sake God does not read a list of thousands that did not seek God because they watched this video.
If only thousands have looked for god elsewhere..I truelly would be blessed...
If you are truelly looking for God you will find Him in a Flower in the field..
If you find God because Church is "really fun" and they have "good music" and the "Guys and girls are cute".. then your looking for a social life ..not God
Your an idiot..... if you hate the church so much why is your tag called hillosngchurch. Why don't you go by the name of your own church? What church do you go to anyway?
because I started this page over 2 years ago before the "real" hillsong came on line..Im called Hillsongchurch because thats what my page is about..pretty obvious really..there is nothing deceptive in my page or my videos..
Your an idiot..... if you hate the church so much why is your tag called hillosngchurch. Why don't you go by the name of your own church? What church do you go to anyway?
has anybody noticed that all of these negative and persecuting videos about Brian Houston and Hillsong are from the same person? How sad. I will pray for you. What a waste of your time. No weapon formed against Hillsong Church will ever prosper. However if you mislead people and give them the wrong idea about excellent churches, you will stand before the throne of God and answer for it. You will be judged just as harshly as you judge Hillsong.
Honestly Grace... you are sounding more and more like Brians brainwashed minions..
Of course they notice..I have 22 videos..but I am not the only one and that is because Hillsong is a cult and there are many good honest Christians like myself who can see beyond the over emotional hype at the shallow baseless religion..
Jesus was not wealthy as you claim..he owned no worldly goods..God provided him with just what he needed..and the Houstons wealth is the camel that will keep them from the Kingdom of Heavean..hey but you enjoy the ride
Brian Houstons father was a sex offender, now if your dad was and u worked for a church does that mean that u are and your church is full of them?? NO! Everyday people look at porn and so now that Mic has been found to suddenly the world looks down apon him, come on!! Its sad that porn is such a big industry!! because its sick and dirty and it doesnt provide a quality life.
seriously - if your dumb enough to believe in god and need to cling to a church because mummy just doesnt seem protective enough anymore - then you deserve to be scammed and ripped off by those living in the real world
Pump out more videos mate...or delete these and put them all back up LOL be just like new again ;-) I knew some church cons years ago. Everyone in the priest guys family had a new Mercedes Benz hahaha
Church is full of sinners. If betrayal is the issue, didn't Jesus even forgive Judas and everyone who crucified Him..."Father forgive them, for the know not what they do...."
GUYS,if the reason of a person in going to church is a financial blessing coming from the lord even he is more than thousand years in church he will not be blessed,God knows what in your heart you cannot fool him,those who are real christian will be blessed,we not go to church for a blessing we go to church to praise him not for a blessing if u r for a blessing u will not recieve anything from the lord, prais him with ur pure heart
If one is going to a church for any reason they are not more likely to be blessed than one who mixes with people in any other setting.
Blessings are an illusion of the mind and miracles happen because people make them happen. Faith may be able to move mountains, but God does not help those who do not help themselves.
The number one statistical reason that people don't go to church is because of hyprocrites. I'm not saying that this guy is one, hopefully he has changed, I honestly have no clue. Wouldn't it be extremely attractive to unbelievers that a body of believers is pursuing holiness, and when they look at us they say "Wow, finally a christian who is actually pursuing God and holiness, righteousness, and godliness"? I think that is called being a light in the world, and the salt of the earth.
Jesus did reach out to the "scum" of the day: tax collectors, lepers, ate dinner with sinners. However, this man went to church twice a week for five years. Obviously he thought he was a christian. Jesus accepts our junk and sin, but if someone is still living in sin blatantly and they still think they are a follower of Christ and they go to church twice a week, Jesus doesn't tolerate an unrepentive heart. Remember, Jesus is coming back to earth and He wants a HOLY church...
All of my friends go to Hillsong in Sydney to their concert ting every year, I live in SA. I promised all my friends i would go next year. I buy Hillsong's CDs and I was really looking foward to it. My parents always tell me their not so good, but i never really understood. I'm so unsure now. Do you think you could email me?
Chrisitans should try to live christianity not just preach it, people have forgoten that Jesus used to hang out with tax collectors and he fogave those who persecuted him, chrisitans should follow christ and there wont be many people turning away from it
He was making money from the people of the church, then lost it all, the pastor did not think it would be a good idea to let the people continue to be scammed by him...
And Brian excommunicated his own father from the church for being a molseter....
God does care and as we give out to others, he replaces it so we can give more. Church buildings are not just to look at - at least with Hillsong and other churches connected to it - I go to one - the building is for those people you mentioned. It is for the staff to help those people, for the people to gather - there are soup kitchens, help for homeless - know what you are talking about first.
you know what every churches is bussenes they just bringing the name of jesus christ but inside they asking for 10 percent each member is jesus asking for the money for his diciple? malaquias chapter 3 vers 7 to 10 read this sorry if somebody hurts 2timothy chap.3 vers 16 to 17
Being a christian is to be Christ-like. They might have banned you from church and shouldn't But you shouldn't have taken there money. There is only one who can judge us...GOD. He knows what is in all our hearts. "You're blessed when you're at the end of your rope. With less of you there is more of God and his rule. " Matthew 5:3. We can all learn from this Beattitude. A simple prayer too "Here I am God, What a Mess!". Only when we say we have sinned,and we all do, can God really work with us
Give Me A BreaK! He was probably banned because he did take people's money and use it for himself which is why his business failed. Any church would do the same thing. It's like a destructive relationship, you can pray for the person but you don't want it ruining other's lives. This is only one side of the story but myself being in business - just because someone wears the "Christian" title doesn't mean he is.
Luke 18:18-29. Take it at Face value, sell all you have, and follow Jesus. The Gospel doesn't speak in codes Simply says, sell all you have and follow me. There is little room for the rich man. It doesn't say stop working, just use it for all good, not 10%good or say 50%, how bout 100% for other's, thats what hill$ong forgets, Being a christian is not all about you.
God blesses you to give back to others. If you give it all to one person, what is left for others or for work for the kingdom. Have you sold everything? I follow Jesus and so do these people you are defaming, I know many of them personally. Get the real meaning of that scripture you are quoting. Jesus saw the heart of that guy.Jesus didn't have poor people around him - check out his disciples.
Sorry, so if I read what you said right, Jesus doesn't give a shit about the poor, just the fact that we spend our money on nice Churches? That we live nice lifes, and dont care about the other people who suffer on this planet. Please, like I have, watch someone get beat up by there father, watch people die because of drugs, see the children die of malnutrition, Then say that we should really just be building nice churches like hillsong. No I haven't sold anything, but I am trying!
I don't know where it says that having money to spend on yourself is how God will bless you in the bible. Can you please inform me. Who was I demening? I know many rich people to. Cant say they are blessed, Having stuff does not bless you. Most of my problems are because of my stuff. I guess its not money which is the problem, its what we do with it. And having nice stuff is not a good idea.
i agree with everything you just said EXCEPT "Jesus didn't have poor people around him." Jesus mainly helped the poor and the sick, the people who needed help, during his time. The disciples chosen left behind everything they had to follow Jesus. The people who recognized Jesus as the Messiah were mostly the poor, Jesus criticized mostly the rich and in return put him on the cross.
You're all missing the point!It should be about Jesus and His message, not anybody else's opinion. If any of you really care about each other, the hurting, the poor, get close to them, help them, give them a hand-out AND a hand-up!Stop wasting your time on youtube arguing. Make peace, understand each other, be the difference that makes a difference. Read your Bible, get to know Jesus, Paul and the other Apostles. Then you will all understand the true message of Christianity!
Hillsong leadership should take some of the responsibility because they have created a church culture where predators like Orehek can thrive by taking advantage of the gullible.Nobody stopped to test Oreheks'claims.They just assumed that because Orehek is a Christian it must be of God and therefore it would work.They are victims of their own stupidity and greed.
hmm maby the millions of people who sing the Hillsong music in the own church and the millions of people who lissen to music must be wrong about Hillsong.......
Just another ignorant idiot standing in the way of the gospel by causing dissension through slander and rumor. you're the reason people hate christianity.
2.wow Im "the reason people people hate christianity".. to think i am that world changing..little old me..that really is funny..
I think the world laughs at christians when they see this kind of circus and no one standing against it.. no self regulation..
I am doing what everyone should do if we are to be taken seriously.. this get rich quick gospel is exploitation. luckily Im free to have an opinion of my own rather than following blindly the teachings of liars..
"facts"... you use that term loosely. hear-say and rumor is more like it. Unless you've talked to these men yourself, and gotten your whole story straight, just shut your mouth and let people minister to people. there's no time for this garbage... how many people could you have reached out to in the time it took you to edit this stupid video? how many mouths could you have fed, or sick people could you have ministered to? instead, you're online, behind closed doors, taking stabs... whatever
"facts" in regards to it was stated in court under oath..to Hillsong facts are only those things that bring financial benefit eg: Brian Houston who lies for personal gain to sell his own book in the "money" TV ad: "the bible says let the poor say I am rich" this is not in any bible..it is the words of a Hillsong song which in the true nature of Hillsong was plagiarized from a poem
this took me 2 hrs to make and if even 1 steers clear of this cult. it was 2 hrs well spent.
2. none are crimes ..I never said they were..except the child molester and the fund stealing..and the government did what it could by taking back the money
hillsong lawyers blocked any justice to the victims of frank..
In fact frank was protected from prosecution and went to live in a house funded by the church and was given a wage until he died in comfort while his victims can still feel his touch today..
3. Of course not..the rich go to the church because brian will take away the guilty feeling they may have about their success and make them feel that they really are just better people then the poor..
And the poor go there and keep giving thinking they will get rich.. and the only ones that really do get rich by people going to the church are the Houstons who say its proof of what they say..all lies and manipulation of the poor..
To believe in whichever god you choose takes an enormous amount of faith but an even greater amount of ignorance. I've yet to hear any convincing reasoning as to why he even exists. As for Jesus...well the poor man has been dead for 200o years....let the poor bugger rest in peace.
@heathpete Actually Jesus (God’s only begotten Son) is not a “poor” ANYTHING but is alive & well, not rotting in a grave somewhere. Did you not know that He ROSE FROM THE DEAD on the third day & spent many days seen by many (documented by many), before ascending to Heaven where He now lives at the right hand of God the Father?
@heathpete As to WHY He came to earth in human form – it was to die on the cross in each of our places to pay the price for our sin. The Bible (God’s Word) tells us that we have ALL sinned, therefore none of us are worthy to enter God’s Holy Heaven in our own right - but if we accept that Jesus died in our place, God will accept us. He died for you too you know…
Jesus is called “Saviour” because only He can “save ya” from Hell that’s been made for the devil & his followers.
You're calling 'foul' on EVERYTHING!!! If Hillsong holds a high standard, and bans disruptive or 'failed' business people from being 'leaders' and 'running' Hillsongs finances, you calim theres 'no love', and yet if they keep them, you claim Hillsongs just a 'rotten egg'!!!?!? WHICH ONE IS IT!?!?! STOP CONFUSING US!!!! PUUUHHLLLLLEAASE MATE!!! GIVE US A BREAK AND GO GET THE FACTS ON IRAQ OR SOMETHING INSTEAD!!!
dw my mum was kicked out of the church for divorcing her abusive husband. when she asked for advice they said she couldnt come back. we attended this church for many years, the place is a disgrace to me now.
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Wow, you people are ridiculous. Lets just believe everyone who puts a video on youtube. Everything you read on the internet must be right, there cant be another side to this right? Ridiculous. By the way, lose only has one "o".
I think its funny that ya'll are bashing Hillsong about unforgiveness. Even if this is true, TRY FORGIVENESS YOURSELF! No wonder the world only see's hypocrisy in the church.
excitesm 3 months ago
Brian Houston trying to be Rockefeller? Matthew 6 verse 24 springs to mind.
WTU208 10 months ago
If you like posting against the Lord's anointed, refer to "the annoying mexican" @psandoval318 on youtube
psandoval318 1 year ago
you don`t really know jesus why you peaolple thinkthat be a christhian is synonim of be poor and live poor if a bill clinton can be rich why god can`t give to here sons money and goog things if peolpe that don´t search him nothing have money car and that stuff why can´t have it a christian mmm......no if a christian have it is bad is corruption but if other have it it`s ok........i don´t thing sooooo god bless you
1022linda 1 year ago
May-be Brian Houston better hope jesus is more forgiving with him, than he was with Orehek.Doesn't matter what he did, thought christians were supose to forgive. Forgive a molestor, but not a bad bussiness man.HMMM
blackfisti64 1 year ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
If people are defending hillsong or brian houston than leave them for GOD to judge them all. Bible says not to trust in man.
hillsong its time to REPENT because GOD loves you and He dont want you to be condem in Hell
fijiization 1 year ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
unplug the electric power cord and the rock n roll freak show will end, this church is not just about money, it is filled with music worship, worship music. music lovers. hillsong church is giving christianity a bad name agree with True Shalom
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gbilios 1 year ago
@gbilios "you have the right to believe that but we don't..by their deeds we shall know them.. " Yes we know their deeds! We can all see how they worship mans instruments! Unplug the power cord and return to the hymns and lets see how many people will be left!
If you are willing please debate me on this so far the music lovers are to chicken, they do not have one verse to support their rock n roll freak show! The tongues speaking and healing is all a fake! Hillsong is a joke.
outbackcafe 1 year ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
@gbilios ".i agree hillsong is a joke. " Please tell me why you think this? i would also like to know what your own position is, do you belong to a hillsong church?
outbackcafe 1 year ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
@gbilios ".they thought god wanted them to be rich but when bad things happened in their life they ran away. money is a necessity but we can't take it with us in the afterlife. " Ye same with the rock n roll freak show! Unplug the power cord and the church will be empty!! Just curious why do you use the word "afterlife"? That word is strongly associated with the Muslim faith. Anyway as you say "money is necessary" but it is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money itself
outbackcafe 1 year ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
@gbilios "Jesus said carry the cross and follow me.. " more precisely Jesus said "deny yourself and take up your cross daily" Your point is obviously about the money thing, but my objection has to do with the rock n roll freak show. The New testament commands us to sing not play. There is a very unhealthy and unholy emphasis on music in the church, to the point where it is considered a gift from the Holy Spirit. And anyone who does not have this "love of music" is considered unspiritual
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe..have lots of money and fame is what hillsong considers being loved by god..
gbilios 1 year ago
@outbackcafe There is nothing wrong with loving music. They're just exploiting it for personal gain
GhettoBlastersKrewSA 1 year ago
@GhettoBlastersKrewSA Perhaps you are starting a different topic. I believe the Hillsong church would never exist if they sang hymns, which is commanded in the bible. If bands were so important, Jesus would have formed a band. that is why i say unplug the power cord and we will see how genuine some of those music lovers are. I bet the church will be empty, so you have to question their sincerity. I have no doubt music is destroying the church
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe A hymn is defined as "a song or ode in praise or honor of god, a deity, a nation, etc." By that definition, is the music that Hillsong plays not a collection of hymns? Unplug the power chord, and how do you plan on amplifying the speaker to be heard by the entire congregation? I happen to attend a large church not unlike Hillsong, and we have had several services without electric instruments (some even without a band), all with huge turnouts. How can music be destroying the church?
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky Thank you for that definition a "song" not music, this further supports my claims. When you say your church sang a hymn and the church was full, does your church sing hymns only or does it throw in a hymn every now and then? Because if it does than this does not count as your church knows full well that the rock n roll freak will begin straight after that hymn is finished. Remove the rock n roll and then come back to me with the results
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe Read my post again. I said we have had entire services without electric instruments, as well as entire services without a band. All of which have drawn as many as a standard Sunday with the full electric band.
Also, are you trying to tell me that Hillsong doesn't perform songs in praise of God? Most of the songs they release are the pure definition of a hymn.
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky Your initial post never used the words " entire services" but thanks for clearing that up, First up i do not deny that a church that sings hymns can thrive and survive in fact i know of one that has over 1000 members. A church that uses rock n roll in its services and calls it worship will not survive if they returned to the hymns. So once again remove the rock n roll freak show and come back to me with the results
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe You still haven't realised that a definition of a hymn is a song of worship. Why must rock music and worship be mutually exclusive? What is it you define as a hymn exactly? Must it be a Gregorian chant? A classical SATB choir?
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky The definition of a hymn is simple, hymns are used for praising God in a clear and concise way. Once you add rock n roll to words you have introduced entertainment and distortion. I know for sure God hates the mixture. i can supply you biblical references if you like. let me ask you a question is there any music that you consider unGodly? For example do you think heavy metal, grunge, techno or rap, should this be used in the church?
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe Classical hymns not entertaining? That's subjective. Also, most classical hymns are far more musically complex than anything Hillsong have ever written, and the prose they use is much more convoluted and varied than Hillsong's lyrics. How is that more "clear and concise"? I don't like most of those genres you mentioned and don't think they should be used in MOST churches, but there is nothing unGodly about them in my opinion, and I'm sure some people could worship with them.
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky Have you ever seen anyone move or dance to hymns? As soon as a person moves or dances it is no longer about the words but the beat!
The biblical church never used drums. The biblical church sang hymns only!
Therefore i can easily conclude hymns are not entertaining. I don't agree with you that its OK for others to worship God with heavy metal music.
The bible is our best guide, yet you fail to give me one verse from the New Testament to substantiate your claims
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe From the New Testament? There are Old Testament verses that contradict what you're saying, verses that, as far as I'm aware, aren't nullified by anything in the New Testament. "And David danced before the Lord with all his might." "Let them praise His name in the dance." Both verses that strongly support movement/dancing in worship of God.
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
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Amos 6:5 is critical of Davids music! David also had a man killed so he can have his wife, our example is Christ.
If music is what motivates you to go to church then i think we have a very big problem. If music is the love of your life than please stay with me on this one and debate me, in fact go and get your pastor and lets see if he can justify this rock n roll freak show!
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe The Lord called David "a man after his own heart". But please tell me then, as our example is Christ (exclusively, apparently), what does Jesus have to say about what instruments can or cannot be used in worship of God?
Poor choice of words, sir. Music does not motivate me to go to church, could I not instead go to one of several other music venues on a Sunday? Regardless, God has given me a love for music, and I use that love as a way to show my adoration for my King.
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchano Jesus did not talk about abortion! So does that make it ok?
What can be claimed without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence!
The son of God could easily have formed a band. Instead he sand hymns, as did all the apostles. God did not give you a love for rock n roll. Rock n roll is something you like and therefore want to impose it on everyone else.
Basically you want your cake and eat it to. So far you have not been successful nor convincing with any of your arguments
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe Comparing rock music to abortion? Really?
I don't listen to much rock music, but I find it easier to worship to, when done similar to Hillsong's style, than what I listen to for musical joy. More straightforward/simple; the music isn't too complicated to distract from the message. How exactly am I imposing worship using rock music on "everyone else"?
At this stage I must point out your arguments about "hymns" lose integrity when you can't even process the definition of a hymn.
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky One thing is for certain hymns are not a rock n roll freak show. It's NOT the lyrics! It's the MUSIC! that you like. and this music be it hillsong or whatever, is no different to the worlds music
How can the Holy Spirit of the Bible use fleshly music?
Pentecostals/charismatics impose their style and love of music on every church they infiltrate. Satan found a way in and he has defiled Christian music!
Rock has always been and will always be the "devils' music"!
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe Gallican Chant was the music of the world before the church/Pope Gregory decided to have people write songs to God using the style. So is Gregorian Chant (and everything following, including classical hymns) the "devil's music" as well?
I can't believe I've entertained your backwards and deeply flawed thinking this long. I fear for any non-Christian who stumbles across you as their first exposure to Christianity.
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@frogge All i asked was that you back up your arguments with scripture, so far it is you that has failed. Just like the rich young man that refused to give up his money, if proven wrong will you also give up your love for rock n roll?
Jesus said in Luke 16:8, ". . . the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."
The world knows there's no such thing as Christian rock music
Just like there's no such thing as "Christian adultery" or "Christian homosexuality'
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe I wasn't backing up my arguments with Scripture, because none of your criticisms were even based on anything in the Bible to begin with.. Whenever you used Scripture, it was completely out of context or irrelevant to your core point. How am I supposed to use Scripture to argue against something which is not based in anything the Bible covers?
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky "How am I supposed to use Scripture to argue against something which is not based in anything the Bible covers?" All this from a person who didn't even know Jesus sang hymns. The bible covers hymns but not a rock n roll freak show. I have given you several verses from the NT, so far you have not given me any verses from the NT to back up your claims. If hymns were good enough for Jesus and the apostles than why do you promote worldly music in Gods church?
outbackcafe 1 year ago
@outbackcafe Once again missing the point entirely. I never once said anything that could be misconstrued by a clear thinking person as "Jesus didn't sing hymns". Every definition you've given so far for a hymn can be applied to most of Hillsong's music. Sure, Jesus didn't sing it in Hillsong's style, possibly because our contemporary rock music wasn't around at the time. Is it also unholy to use the internet for conversation because Jesus always spoke to people in person?
froggerchanovsky 1 year ago
@froggerchanovsky Let me just sum it all up for you, Yes Jesus sang hymns, Yes the apostles sang hymns, Yes the new testament church endorsed hymns. Hymns are for everyone whereas hillsongs rock n roll freak show is not for everyone. Drums were around in biblical times but never used by the church. Your internet example is a weak analogy, you have got to come up with something better than that! Bring the hillsong church into to this debate i would love to be proven wrong
outbackcafe 1 year ago
HillSong Church just give a really bad name to true Christianity.
TrueShalom 1 year ago 32
@TrueShalom The question must be asked then what do you perceive as "true" Christianity. I formally attended Hillson. I had no money to offer them in fact I am on the Disability Support pension. Now I have not been going along to that church for some time because I moved away but they still ring to see how I am. So please do not critize what you do not know.
juoodls 11 months ago
LOL, ANY PREACHING WITHOUT REPENTANCE IS MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKING.
They preach a weak WORD and think GOD IS PROSPERING THEM 100 FOLD, WHAT JOKE!!!
LighthouseJC 1 year ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
church is not business after all...so stop comparing God's work aka Church with business profit, recruiting work, and else...so mundane, we might loose the point of living a Godly life and fellowship with God and with others at Church
glundungangedhe 2 years ago
Satan is able to mimic Christ. In II Corinthians 11: 14-15, Paul warns that false teachers will transform themselves into the apostles of Christ. "And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light," Paul says. While the charismatic movement may appear Christ-like to those seeking the truth, in fact it deceives and leads astray. It is anti-Christ, against the Christ of scripture.
triqueta1967 2 years ago 4
brians church is not about forgiveness,its all geared to one thing,lets hope there are some good christians in the Feds and they have him scrictly monitered
cptpago 2 years ago
@cptpago ALL churches in ALL religions are about money and control... wake up and start thinking for yourselves.
cwsaja 2 years ago
Until last year the Hillsong pastor Houston failed to declare he had sold their property holdings to a Hillsong-related entity of which he is director, Leadership Ministries Incorporated. Bobbie sold a Bondi beachfront apartment on the same block as Jamie Packer's to the not-for-profit LMI for $650,000 in 2002. The couple also sold a waterfront property on the Hawkesbury River in 2004 to LMI for $780,000, making $535,000 on their 1998 purchase price. They continue to use both these properties.
mycatistigger 2 years ago 2
LMI is the tax-free entity Hillsong set up as a vehicle to pay the couple's income. In breach of Office of Fair Trading rules, no financial statements had been lodged since its inception in October 2001. Only after the property deals were uncovered by The Australian were the accounts filed in August last year. When the numbers came in they revealed the golden couple got a measly net income, after donations, of just $21,658 in the year to December 2002, $12,739 in 2003 and $69,041 in 2004.
mycatistigger 2 years ago
Despite this the Houstons indulged in a property buying spree worth $1.738 million over 12 months in exclusive beachside Bondi? August 26, 2003, son Joel, bought a $676,000 apartment a few minutes' walk from the LMI-owned apartment, paying $276,000 up front. That same day Brian and Bobbie paid $650,000 for the apartment next door to Joel's. Exactly a year later, son Ben borrowed just $90,000 to buy a $412,000 apartment a few streets from the other family holdings. © John Mark Ministries
mycatistigger 2 years ago 2
Cannot believe religious idiots would defend a money grubbing greedy church. Unbelieveable. I was attending Hill Song for over 2 years and I know what I have seen. The church was built by a child molester and greed was his suit and tie. I had given up on blind fools going in there and paying them money and keeping them rich. Your all fools. You dont see what I see. It is because you do not want to see. therefore, I shake the dust of my shoes and walk away from ALL corrupted churches.
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gbilios 1 year ago
if i go inside a garage , it doesn't make me a car. attending a christian church doesn't make someone a christian. maybe that man went to church but was still faithless. you need background checks to prove all of this nonsense.
siamhum 2 years ago
You have terrible grammar and spelling hilsongchurch. Do you think you could add an apostrophe where appropriate in "its" as an abbreviation of "it is". Oh and loose and lose are two different words with two different meanings. I pray for you, that God will forgive you for denouncing His name and a church that worships him. I love Hillsong, the church has changed my life and brought me closer to God. How is that wrong? Praise God. Amen.
girliquedotcom 2 years ago
Hillsong speaks in tongues, it's a CULT.
HaRdzstylerR 2 years ago
ok, i see someone has already asked that. i still think there is more to it.
you're just selectively presenting the facts. For example, the media makes a big deal out of boat people coming into australia, and you probably think its a huge huge terrible issue, BUT did you know that less than 4% of illegal immigrants come to australia by boat? 4% is a very negligible amount...!!!!
rambo180 2 years ago
Umm sorry to spoil the party, but does anyone actually know more facts about this case?? I doubt it. You're just going by what you see in a YouTube viedo. YOUTUBE KNOWS ALL?? I failed a test a few years ago, I don't think HillSong would ban me... did you ever think there is something more involved that what your're reading in this video?????
rambo180 2 years ago
POOR MAN
terecruzl 3 years ago
I THINK YOU HAVE NEVER HAD A CLOSER WHIT JESUS, HILLSONG IS A CHURCH blessed by God, AND IS TRHUT, SO GOD BLESS HIM, YOU ARE JEALOUSY BECAUSE YOU DON´T HAVE NOTHING
terecruzl 3 years ago
and you can't spell. all the facts are there. there is no god and if you're blind enough to believe in god then you'll be blind enough to give your money to hillsong
trkrichardson 3 years ago
God loves you. it's sad that you don't know how MUCH.
jcoker84 2 years ago
its sad you don't know how blind you are actually. there is no god and if they were he doesn't associate with hillsong. christians are not good people you're all liars and hypocrites. go shove a cross up your &%*$! all the people in these churches are just money grabbers. god isn't about money if he existed.
trkrichardson 2 years ago
Just because Christians dont live accordng to the Bible does not mean that God does not exist.
If the sick do not go to the doctor.. it does not mean that doctors dont exist.
People living in ther own sinful ways does not mean that God does not exist.. It simply means that they dont turn to him.
Please dont make sweeping statements unless you have met evey christian that has ever lived and for sure "know" they are all liars and hypocrites.
statickz007 2 years ago
doctor is in a physical form. God isnt. Therefore, you are blind like the rest of the charlatons.
aubhar 2 years ago
this is just a typical case of someone who has met or heard about a couple of Christians who are a bit corrupt and automatically assumes they are all the same dont be so quick to judge and as far as the hillsong church is concerened yes there have been cases where thay have made mistakes and their leaders (some of them) have been idiotic but i mean that doesnt mean you can condem the whole church
jackandjames13 2 years ago
Who are your sources on this information? I would like to know where you get this from.
dhirschy 3 years ago
There is a link to this news report in "more info"
at the bottom is a link to the rickross foundation who monitors cults and they have a collection of stories.
or you can search with google and verify all these things..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
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gbilios 1 year ago
hey bro. la blasfemia contra el Espíritu Santo no tiene perdón. So, Habla bien de los demas y sigue predicando el Evangelio. no critiques el ministerio de otros. God bless you all.
evertonmacedo 3 years ago
I think there are some people here confusing the Hillsong CHURCH, with the band.
wait, are they associated?
WitnessofTheHolyOne 3 years ago
yah Hillsong United (the band) is the youth worship group FROM the church, the main worship leader from United is Joel Houston, who is the son of the founder and senior paster of the Hillsong church, Brian Houston.
but this video is a joke. the actual Hillsong church is so blessed by God. they brought SO many people to Christ and are CONTINUALLY doing so.
velcroshoes2 3 years ago
The same band that sings "Mighty to Save" and "From the Inside Out" and "One Way Jesus" and tons of others?
Oh, and Hillsong "United" is different than Hillsong from other parts of the world?
WitnessofTheHolyOne 3 years ago
yep, thats the same band.
and Hillsong United is just a youth worship group from the original church in Sydney Australia. they travel around the world and are very well known.
there are other Hillsong churches around the world, like in the UK, South Africa, Ukraine, and a few other places.. but Hillsong United is from Australia.
velcroshoes2 3 years ago
look at the last video on my favorites.
Is that band associated with that church?
WitnessofTheHolyOne 3 years ago
yes.
velcroshoes2 3 years ago
okay.
Thanks.
I LOVE Hillsong (band).
I'll look up the Hillsong church.
Interesting user handle, btw.
WitnessofTheHolyOne 3 years ago
all churches are just pedophile money stealing shams. there is no god. they just exploit people. like seriously the way they treat and view women is just bs
trkrichardson 3 years ago
WOW! are you talking about the catholic church? hillsong is not a catholic church. have you ever even been to church?
kube82 2 years ago
You can only accomplish sowing by dying to self and selfish want and your reaping will be an eternity in heaven...NOT!!! Money FOR MORE MONEY!!!...BOLONY...
thelamb777 3 years ago
Hillsongs are a blessing to many many christian souls out here. They have a great ministry in the Kingdom of God.
777shalom 3 years ago
Wat ever, you Hypoctrites...HILLSONGS STILL ROCKS
stexjaiker 3 years ago
these vids are rediculous i really do beleve that you need to get a life
ariellynnann 3 years ago
EN TODO EL MUNDO E IGLESIAS HAY PROBLEMAS, MIENTRAS MAS GRANDE LA IGLESIA MAS SE VE...
JESUS NUNCA DIJO QUE VIVIRIAMOS SIN PROBLEMAS, LOS HUMANOS SUELEN EQUIVOCARSE???
TU ERES dios O QUE???
LO QUE ES ES QUE NECESITAS A CRISTO EN TU VIDA Y DEJAR DE MIRAR EL PROBLEMA DE OTROS E IMPACTAR PARA BIEN, NO PARA MAL...
You need Jesus in your life, leave to see the other´s problems.
hebercarr86 3 years ago
I want to defend hillsong, because there has been so much good that has come from their ministry. Anyway find me a person that is perfect, find me a ministry that in perfect wow I can't find one at all. I Know what I'm talking about, I've been a christain for 26 years, misionary for 11 years. keep our eyes on the author and finisher of our faith. We look for heros, their is only one hero for us JESUS
roddykiwi 3 years ago
I will pray. Not for the author of this video (but yeah, may God give ya good health), or for the critics (good health to ya too). But for the truth to come out quickly.
excuse my writing. I tend to get carried away. xD
neosonic2k 3 years ago
This month is the one year anniversary of what the ones that stayed have christened "Black Sunday, October 12, 2007". And the church, after losing over 3000 people PLUS almost all of its workforce (only 20 something percent remained) on that day, TODAY, we have recovered, we have more people than last time, and the annointment is more powerful, regardless of all the bashing and all the talks about him being a "false prophet"...
Like I said... only TIME will tell the truth.
neosonic2k 3 years ago
As christians, we follow God, not men. HIS Word, not men's word. Keep that in mind when you go to ANY church.
I don't go to Hillsong, heck, I ain't even on the east side of the planet, I'm on the other side. But, I felt this opinion was necessary, especially when my church was going through tough times, cuz one of the elders denounced in a mid-sunday service that the pastor commited adultery and swindled money from offerings... satan's favorite tactic, hurt the pastor to disperse the sheep...
neosonic2k 3 years ago
Rather than bash the video or the critics to it, I'll post a middle-ground solution.
If a church is truly a real and good church, it'll stand, regardless of the bashing, because God will keep it strong. If it ain't a good church, no matter how much cash it's got, no matter how many people go to it, no matter what they help in charities, it WILL crumble over time, because it is out of God's grace.
Only TIME will tell if the person making this video or the ones against it is right or wrong
neosonic2k 3 years ago
I am not a as you have suggested "glazed eye" devotee of pastors brian or bobbie but I DO SUPPORT the work of the church.
Why are you being critical for critics sake------the church IS NOT successful for any other reason other than for being tried,tested and TRUE TO GOD'S WORD.
Nothing else I would kindly request It of you that YOU DO NOT post any further CRITICISMS of the church FOR CRITICIMS sake.
Thank you.
OzzieJohnS 3 years ago
"They recruit on emotion not religion" you say........well let me tell you that many people If not for the good work of "HILLSONG" would have just been left to fend for themselves or die on the street.
God knows and sees the work that they do It Is a SOUND WORK based on BIBLICAL principal and for you sir to blow the trumpet of vitrolic criticism Is UNFOUNDED.
Tell me how would you approach women who have been left alone and made to feel Isolated as a result of sexual abuse
OzzieJohnS 3 years ago
hillsongchurch---------
As such what Is your main gripe with "hillsong" ?
Do you have some "history" with them or are you just having a "go" against them....?
Guess what I attend "hillsong" and love It and NO I have not lost my religion nor have I been coerced Into leaving this here comment either.
"They recruit on emotion not religion" you say........well let me tell you that many people If not for the
OzzieJohnS 3 years ago
When God gives you an account for how you've spent your time on this earth, are you going to hear well done my good and faithful servant, or are you going to hear the names of the families that would have gone to Hillsong Church and gotten saved but didn't because the watched all of these videos?
gracefoundme 3 years ago
I am going to hear about all those who went to hellsong and lost heaven and I will hear about those who saw my video and were saved..even if its only 1 or 2 my reward will be great..
I have no fear to stand up on judgement day because I tried to warn other of the false prophets..
feel free to follow liars theives and child abusers..but I want my church to be foundered on greater things
hillsongchurch 3 years ago 3
2 Peter 2:1-3 (NIV) ..there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.
hillsongchurch 3 years ago 3
@hillsongchurch, Mate, hate, won't save you, or anyone. Are there any living child abusers in Hillsong, I especially mean among the pastors?
I honestly don't understand the claim here. Mr Orehek did..., what?
Novatene 1 year ago
@hillsongchurch What happens if someone makes a video about you and your life and posts it all up and says they are teaching people about how you are a false prophet. You sound very bitter and this is not the way of Christ why do you care so much about how bad Hillsong is there are churches that are far worse and you know what who cares Christ calls us to love - they will be judged by God if they are wrong.
CelestialDependency 1 year ago
Hi Celest
This is not bitter..a little bit angry that my tax dollars are support this cult (founded by a pedophile) and the Houstons multi million dollar lifestyle and property portfolio..but not bitter
When I claim public funding for my personal gain..thats when I would expect someone to hold me up to public scrutiny
and I want the same for Hillsong
and there are plenty worse than Hillsong..lets say Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland..but they dont live in my city and defraud my tax dollars
hillsongchurch 1 year ago
@hillsongchurch I for one think your channel is amazing, and you've done great work in exposing hillsong and bringing people back to reality. We can serve ourselves, or serve others in this world, and you've reminded me of the importance of Christian charity. It's also been VERY revealing to see how Hill$ong members jusify their church through their commenting.
pheynixll 1 year ago
you say Hillsong loses people because its based on emotion and not religion. Its not about religion or religious attitudes. IT'S ABOUT JESUS!
gracefoundme 3 years ago
All these statistics, huh? What if you do discourage someone from seeking God because they see this? What will God say?
gracefoundme 3 years ago
I really would like to know how blessed your church is. I might be looking for a new church. Since you claim that Hillsong is such a terrible place. Your church must be the best since you are so quick to point out the faults of Brian Houston. I would really like to visit and see what it is all about.
gracefoundme 3 years ago
ha ha... of course you are. How mysterious of you... I doubt you will be sitting behind me, i go to Naraweena Baptist Church, seems like your more of a Hillsong Church goer than i am... How ironic!
Happy to catch up for a coffee if your keen.
vossabanga 3 years ago
I understand that you must have been hurt somewhere along the way to be so bitter and sceptical, and for that i am sorry... But seriously, life is too short... Get over it and make the most of your life... Concentrate on your own family and your own church and your own relationship with God...
vossabanga 3 years ago
I make 1 video a month.. a hobby not life consumming.but If even 1 person looks elsewhere for God, then its time well spent
Anyone who is looking for god wont stop because of me..the may stop going to Hillsong but thats the whole point.this is not about me being hurt..its about the many I see and know who have lost their religion because of their involvement with this church..
this church looses 50% of their members every 5 years..the high drop out is because they recruit on emotion not religion
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
So are you prepared to tell everyone who you are and where you are from? Or are you happy to hide behind your crappy videos and ridiculous statements?
vossabanga 3 years ago
No Im happy hiding..but thanks for asking
I would be happy to meet anyone and talk about this except the nature of this church is that I have been threatened many times by glazed eyed devotees of the Houstons, many would like nothing more then to find out where I live
Sorry, maybe you could have led the angry mob to purg the evil . Only a brainwashing Cult like Hillsong can say as bobbie does:"those who critisize us are evil straight from the devil"
look around next Sunday..maybe Im behind you
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
I wonder if you woudl chnage the name of your page to the name of your church, instaed of other people's church? hmmm
vossabanga 3 years ago
So what church do you go to? Your a goose, that has nothing better to do with his time.
Funny you never mention they amount of work churches like this do to help people and the community. Building orphanages in Africa, building houses for people after the Tsunami, caring for the homeless and community in their city, and being the hands and feet of Jesus and getting out there and loving poeple.... ha not bad for a Cult!
vossabanga 3 years ago
I mention what they do all the time..
Look at the "in their own words" video to see about the tsunami..They made $50 mill that year and gave $500 thou but only if you converted..Im sure God really values those kinds of converts..come to church if you want to eat..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
Many time I have spoken of hillsongs charity. On the front page I give the statistics of their charity the comment says:
The 2005 census showed the average Australian gave around $438/person/year to charities..from Hillsongs own figures they gave $226/member/year and a majority of that figure is funding to mercy ministries and emerge..all of which are recruitment arms of the church..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
the facts are that when someone joins Hillsong they start contributing less to society and the rest of the money normal people give to charity goes to fund the light and sound show
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
May God have mercy on your soul.
gracefoundme 3 years ago
May your head clear long enough to get out of this cult..they will suck the faith out of you..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
yes i would love to know which church you go to or are you afraid to say because you have bashed Brian Houston and judged thousands and thousands of God loving Christians who love Hillsong. Would that make your church look bad? Have you as a Christian any idea that you could be leading people away from church and God because of your opinion? When you stand before his throne, I hope for your sake God does not read a list of thousands that did not seek God because they watched this video.
gracefoundme 3 years ago
If only thousands have looked for god elsewhere..I truelly would be blessed...
If you are truelly looking for God you will find Him in a Flower in the field..
If you find God because Church is "really fun" and they have "good music" and the "Guys and girls are cute".. then your looking for a social life ..not God
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
Your an idiot..... if you hate the church so much why is your tag called hillosngchurch. Why don't you go by the name of your own church? What church do you go to anyway?
vossabanga 3 years ago
because I started this page over 2 years ago before the "real" hillsong came on line..Im called Hillsongchurch because thats what my page is about..pretty obvious really..there is nothing deceptive in my page or my videos..
Hillsong is a Cult and people need to be warned
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
Your an idiot..... if you hate the church so much why is your tag called hillosngchurch. Why don't you go by the name of your own church? What church do you go to anyway?
vossabanga 3 years ago
has anybody noticed that all of these negative and persecuting videos about Brian Houston and Hillsong are from the same person? How sad. I will pray for you. What a waste of your time. No weapon formed against Hillsong Church will ever prosper. However if you mislead people and give them the wrong idea about excellent churches, you will stand before the throne of God and answer for it. You will be judged just as harshly as you judge Hillsong.
gracefoundme 3 years ago
Honestly Grace... you are sounding more and more like Brians brainwashed minions..
Of course they notice..I have 22 videos..but I am not the only one and that is because Hillsong is a cult and there are many good honest Christians like myself who can see beyond the over emotional hype at the shallow baseless religion..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
Jesus was not wealthy as you claim..he owned no worldly goods..God provided him with just what he needed..and the Houstons wealth is the camel that will keep them from the Kingdom of Heavean..hey but you enjoy the ride
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
Brian Houstons father was a sex offender, now if your dad was and u worked for a church does that mean that u are and your church is full of them?? NO! Everyday people look at porn and so now that Mic has been found to suddenly the world looks down apon him, come on!! Its sad that porn is such a big industry!! because its sick and dirty and it doesnt provide a quality life.
bemyhallelujah 3 years ago
seriously - if your dumb enough to believe in god and need to cling to a church because mummy just doesnt seem protective enough anymore - then you deserve to be scammed and ripped off by those living in the real world
Anarchicandy 3 years ago
Pump out more videos mate...or delete these and put them all back up LOL be just like new again ;-) I knew some church cons years ago. Everyone in the priest guys family had a new Mercedes Benz hahaha
oinkysqueak 3 years ago
Church is full of sinners. If betrayal is the issue, didn't Jesus even forgive Judas and everyone who crucified Him..."Father forgive them, for the know not what they do...."
???
ivandrahgo 3 years ago 4
GUYS,if the reason of a person in going to church is a financial blessing coming from the lord even he is more than thousand years in church he will not be blessed,God knows what in your heart you cannot fool him,those who are real christian will be blessed,we not go to church for a blessing we go to church to praise him not for a blessing if u r for a blessing u will not recieve anything from the lord, prais him with ur pure heart
JOELRNARIZ 3 years ago
If one is going to a church for any reason they are not more likely to be blessed than one who mixes with people in any other setting.
Blessings are an illusion of the mind and miracles happen because people make them happen. Faith may be able to move mountains, but God does not help those who do not help themselves.
Hobgoblyn 3 years ago
The number one statistical reason that people don't go to church is because of hyprocrites. I'm not saying that this guy is one, hopefully he has changed, I honestly have no clue. Wouldn't it be extremely attractive to unbelievers that a body of believers is pursuing holiness, and when they look at us they say "Wow, finally a christian who is actually pursuing God and holiness, righteousness, and godliness"? I think that is called being a light in the world, and the salt of the earth.
joecamp07 3 years ago
Jesus did reach out to the "scum" of the day: tax collectors, lepers, ate dinner with sinners. However, this man went to church twice a week for five years. Obviously he thought he was a christian. Jesus accepts our junk and sin, but if someone is still living in sin blatantly and they still think they are a follower of Christ and they go to church twice a week, Jesus doesn't tolerate an unrepentive heart. Remember, Jesus is coming back to earth and He wants a HOLY church...
joecamp07 3 years ago
Oh dear....
All of my friends go to Hillsong in Sydney to their concert ting every year, I live in SA. I promised all my friends i would go next year. I buy Hillsong's CDs and I was really looking foward to it. My parents always tell me their not so good, but i never really understood. I'm so unsure now. Do you think you could email me?
cherrychick001 3 years ago
Chrisitans should try to live christianity not just preach it, people have forgoten that Jesus used to hang out with tax collectors and he fogave those who persecuted him, chrisitans should follow christ and there wont be many people turning away from it
pluto010 3 years ago
Thats totally not true lol
He was making money from the people of the church, then lost it all, the pastor did not think it would be a good idea to let the people continue to be scammed by him...
And Brian excommunicated his own father from the church for being a molseter....
babiegirl1987 3 years ago
God does care and as we give out to others, he replaces it so we can give more. Church buildings are not just to look at - at least with Hillsong and other churches connected to it - I go to one - the building is for those people you mentioned. It is for the staff to help those people, for the people to gather - there are soup kitchens, help for homeless - know what you are talking about first.
Averebely 3 years ago
you know what every churches is bussenes they just bringing the name of jesus christ but inside they asking for 10 percent each member is jesus asking for the money for his diciple? malaquias chapter 3 vers 7 to 10 read this sorry if somebody hurts 2timothy chap.3 vers 16 to 17
taway2005 3 years ago
Being a christian is to be Christ-like. They might have banned you from church and shouldn't But you shouldn't have taken there money. There is only one who can judge us...GOD. He knows what is in all our hearts. "You're blessed when you're at the end of your rope. With less of you there is more of God and his rule. " Matthew 5:3. We can all learn from this Beattitude. A simple prayer too "Here I am God, What a Mess!". Only when we say we have sinned,and we all do, can God really work with us
pickleskid27 3 years ago
totally agreed
pluto010 3 years ago
Give Me A BreaK! He was probably banned because he did take people's money and use it for himself which is why his business failed. Any church would do the same thing. It's like a destructive relationship, you can pray for the person but you don't want it ruining other's lives. This is only one side of the story but myself being in business - just because someone wears the "Christian" title doesn't mean he is.
Averebely 3 years ago
Luke 18:18-29. Take it at Face value, sell all you have, and follow Jesus. The Gospel doesn't speak in codes Simply says, sell all you have and follow me. There is little room for the rich man. It doesn't say stop working, just use it for all good, not 10%good or say 50%, how bout 100% for other's, thats what hill$ong forgets, Being a christian is not all about you.
RiverWithHaxs 3 years ago
God blesses you to give back to others. If you give it all to one person, what is left for others or for work for the kingdom. Have you sold everything? I follow Jesus and so do these people you are defaming, I know many of them personally. Get the real meaning of that scripture you are quoting. Jesus saw the heart of that guy.Jesus didn't have poor people around him - check out his disciples.
Averebely 3 years ago
Sorry, so if I read what you said right, Jesus doesn't give a shit about the poor, just the fact that we spend our money on nice Churches? That we live nice lifes, and dont care about the other people who suffer on this planet. Please, like I have, watch someone get beat up by there father, watch people die because of drugs, see the children die of malnutrition, Then say that we should really just be building nice churches like hillsong. No I haven't sold anything, but I am trying!
RiverWithHaxs 3 years ago
Oh and why do blessing have to be money?
I don't know where it says that having money to spend on yourself is how God will bless you in the bible. Can you please inform me. Who was I demening? I know many rich people to. Cant say they are blessed, Having stuff does not bless you. Most of my problems are because of my stuff. I guess its not money which is the problem, its what we do with it. And having nice stuff is not a good idea.
RiverWithHaxs 3 years ago
i agree with everything you just said EXCEPT "Jesus didn't have poor people around him." Jesus mainly helped the poor and the sick, the people who needed help, during his time. The disciples chosen left behind everything they had to follow Jesus. The people who recognized Jesus as the Messiah were mostly the poor, Jesus criticized mostly the rich and in return put him on the cross.
zitzapper 3 years ago
You're all missing the point!It should be about Jesus and His message, not anybody else's opinion. If any of you really care about each other, the hurting, the poor, get close to them, help them, give them a hand-out AND a hand-up!Stop wasting your time on youtube arguing. Make peace, understand each other, be the difference that makes a difference. Read your Bible, get to know Jesus, Paul and the other Apostles. Then you will all understand the true message of Christianity!
supersimon31 3 years ago 3
Lol you raise a valid point. Must admit though. I do like a good argument,
RiverWithHaxs 3 years ago
Brian hang your head in shame,why do we allow these people to set up tax free havens?
CASSIELIVESHERE 3 years ago
Hillsong leadership should take some of the responsibility because they have created a church culture where predators like Orehek can thrive by taking advantage of the gullible.Nobody stopped to test Oreheks'claims.They just assumed that because Orehek is a Christian it must be of God and therefore it would work.They are victims of their own stupidity and greed.
DYOUNG36 3 years ago
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hmm maby the millions of people who sing the Hillsong music in the own church and the millions of people who lissen to music must be wrong about Hillsong.......
roelandh 3 years ago
Millions of Germans where wrong about Hitler, it does happen.
eyewrenchee 3 years ago
Just another ignorant idiot standing in the way of the gospel by causing dissension through slander and rumor. you're the reason people hate christianity.
uthguy3483 3 years ago
1.these are all facts
but refusing to even review the facts just because you think their music is toe tappin good..
is more than ignorant ..its stupid and selfish
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
2.wow Im "the reason people people hate christianity".. to think i am that world changing..little old me..that really is funny..
I think the world laughs at christians when they see this kind of circus and no one standing against it.. no self regulation..
I am doing what everyone should do if we are to be taken seriously.. this get rich quick gospel is exploitation. luckily Im free to have an opinion of my own rather than following blindly the teachings of liars..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
"facts"... you use that term loosely. hear-say and rumor is more like it. Unless you've talked to these men yourself, and gotten your whole story straight, just shut your mouth and let people minister to people. there's no time for this garbage... how many people could you have reached out to in the time it took you to edit this stupid video? how many mouths could you have fed, or sick people could you have ministered to? instead, you're online, behind closed doors, taking stabs... whatever
uthguy3483 3 years ago
"facts" in regards to it was stated in court under oath..to Hillsong facts are only those things that bring financial benefit eg: Brian Houston who lies for personal gain to sell his own book in the "money" TV ad: "the bible says let the poor say I am rich" this is not in any bible..it is the words of a Hillsong song which in the true nature of Hillsong was plagiarized from a poem
this took me 2 hrs to make and if even 1 steers clear of this cult. it was 2 hrs well spent.
get out while you can
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
Spot on. We're supposed to be accountable to each other in love. Any one who is not is not a Christian.
MarkHolgate 3 years ago
uthguy3483 >>> standing in the way of what ?
the gospel ? don't you mean the false gospel of prosperity ???
all cults are in denial about their leaders.
have you seen the 'church' of scientology ?
they deny their leader was a mad occultist, ie l.ron hubbard.
just like you're in denial that brian & bobby are all for the people.
brian >> FACT "YOU NEED MORE MONEY" .....LIE
bobby >> FACT "KINGDOM WOMEN LOVE SEX"...PERVERTED.
wake up.
YBigRay 3 years ago
Another 03 questions;
1) Proof of Hillsong wrong doing
2) Why isnt the government doing anything to stop the "Crimes" this pastor is doing
3) So everyone in that church is Rich? Are you sure about that.
Jajurie 3 years ago
1. foundered by a pedophile
used funding for the poor to run a business course for their members
have the church by personal property for inflated prices
charge anyone who tries to sing their songs in church
humiliate and push out members who suffer depression and claim they have unrepentant sin
claim women should be servile to men
spend $110million to have the best sound and lights in church and only $500 thousand on the hungry in Rwanda
see links in "about this video" of most of my videos
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
2. none are crimes ..I never said they were..except the child molester and the fund stealing..and the government did what it could by taking back the money
hillsong lawyers blocked any justice to the victims of frank..
In fact frank was protected from prosecution and went to live in a house funded by the church and was given a wage until he died in comfort while his victims can still feel his touch today..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
3. Of course not..the rich go to the church because brian will take away the guilty feeling they may have about their success and make them feel that they really are just better people then the poor..
And the poor go there and keep giving thinking they will get rich.. and the only ones that really do get rich by people going to the church are the Houstons who say its proof of what they say..all lies and manipulation of the poor..
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
4.they churn through member because there is no substance.
a recent survey showed 50% people leave over a 5 year period..thats why they must keep recruiting
hillsongchurch 3 years ago
der is no condemnation with God..
we are under grace if we are with God.
we are not under the law.. condemnation is under the law..
dilimanaccessarra 3 years ago
To believe in whichever god you choose takes an enormous amount of faith but an even greater amount of ignorance. I've yet to hear any convincing reasoning as to why he even exists. As for Jesus...well the poor man has been dead for 200o years....let the poor bugger rest in peace.
heathpete 4 years ago
@heathpete Actually Jesus (God’s only begotten Son) is not a “poor” ANYTHING but is alive & well, not rotting in a grave somewhere. Did you not know that He ROSE FROM THE DEAD on the third day & spent many days seen by many (documented by many), before ascending to Heaven where He now lives at the right hand of God the Father?
MustaffaCuppa 10 months ago
@heathpete As to WHY He came to earth in human form – it was to die on the cross in each of our places to pay the price for our sin. The Bible (God’s Word) tells us that we have ALL sinned, therefore none of us are worthy to enter God’s Holy Heaven in our own right - but if we accept that Jesus died in our place, God will accept us. He died for you too you know…
Jesus is called “Saviour” because only He can “save ya” from Hell that’s been made for the devil & his followers.
MustaffaCuppa 10 months ago
You're calling 'foul' on EVERYTHING!!! If Hillsong holds a high standard, and bans disruptive or 'failed' business people from being 'leaders' and 'running' Hillsongs finances, you calim theres 'no love', and yet if they keep them, you claim Hillsongs just a 'rotten egg'!!!?!? WHICH ONE IS IT!?!?! STOP CONFUSING US!!!! PUUUHHLLLLLEAASE MATE!!! GIVE US A BREAK AND GO GET THE FACTS ON IRAQ OR SOMETHING INSTEAD!!!
testing245 4 years ago
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