yeah i agree with janos, because right now, the limits are on how much of a certain chemical or substance is in someones blood. People's blood composition varies (I.E. Landis has a ton of testoterone). Instead, they should have regulations on how much of a ceratin substance one can use safely. You can even die from drinking too mcuh water (like more than 2 gallons), but you can use EPO safely to a certain extent.
Its sad to say but all riders at this level and about 2 levels below are completely jacked. The system isnt rigid enough to make a drug free sport. Some day it might happen. Its videos like this that gives me renewed interest in my recreation and sport.
and how the hell can anti doping rules not be in the spirit of cycling?!?! and the rules ARE there to protect riders, and to protect fair competition. if im in a race, and im clean and come 2nd to a dirty fucking cheat, how is that in the 'spirit of cycling'??
First thing, mate, there's no reason to get personal. But to clarify what I meant by "the spirit of cycling", this was a reference to the sport's legacy of shunning commercial or monetary influence; cyclists don't turn pro for financial reward so much as for their love of the sport. Likewise, owners of bike shops rarely go into business to reap great profits, but rather do so as result of their passion. "Doping" laws are the product the drive by the UCI to secure TV coverage, and thus money.
lastly, just to clarify- do you think its ok for riders to cheat? or do you want no anti doping legislation, and for cycling to go back to the state it was in in the 1990s? with practically every rider on epo?
I just want the sport to be about the riders and their bikes; preferably in conjunction with a set of drug rules that is designed to protect the riders' health. If athletes can use epo safely, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to utilize it. We would be better off if the focus was on our achievements, rather than on who is cheating. The media's coverage of football and tennis is not plagued with controversy over sports medicine, and the sports are much better off for it.
Secondly, the advocates of doping laws couldn't give a toss about the riders' safety. If they did then why would want to apply new testing methods to archived urine samples of retired riders to determine if they cheated. Moreover, if they were concerned about riders' health, then they would ban dynepo. Being a derivative of cultured human cells, it is more dangerous than the pig cell derived epo.
im in favour of looking back at old urine records, i want to know who was cheating. if they didnt play by the rules they should give the title to someone who did.
And thirdly, equality means nothing in cycling. Do you think Contador "cheated" in the final time trial because the Discovery team could afford endless wind tunnel testing, whilst Cadel's Predictor-Lotto team's smaller budget couldn't provide this luxury?
equality- yeh ok there is a big difference in the budgets of some teams. but because one thing is unfair, its not an excuse to allow other more unfairness. surely anything that can be done to put riders on an equal start line (i.e no drug enhancement) should be done!
Finally, I do want a sport where nobody is cheating; it's just that I want "cheating" to mean breaking a rule that was the product of reason, and not a philistine monetary caprice. And oh yeah, I'll route for you in any race, despite your (in my opinion) slightly misguided views on doping; you have an obvious love and passion for the sport, which I can't help but admire.
how are my views on drug cheating misguided...ill simplify them, i dont agree with drugs cheats. it should be about man and machine, not man, machine and epo. its about what your willing to put into the sport and your training, not what you inject in your veins.
My point is that what makes riders "cheaters" is a mass of disjointed and arbitrary rules. If doping laws were cohesive, comprehensive, and based upon a logical objective then I would absolutely agree with you. However, I could use gene therapy and change my DNA to produce more red blood cells and not be deemed a "cheater" by the current UCI laws, yet Vino or Tyler Hamilton are "cheaters" because of their actions...
Very well done. Too bad there'll be no more pink T-Mobile jerseys for us to watch in the future. And thanks for putting Vino in your video; with two stage wins earned it.
how can you say he earned it...he cheated. the only reason he should be in the video is so you can point him out and say- "that bastard is a cheat and should have his head shoved into the bladed spokes of a wheel at 60mph"
Well, one reason by which I can say this is that his wins in the two stages are greater than either of us could do with or without illegal assistance. And second, because the doping laws in cycling are absolute bollocks; it is the governing bodies' actions, and not those of the riders, which are pulling the sport apart...
...Then, Vino was, in my opinion, the most exciting rider to watch for the past eight years. Why ought we to point him out as a cheater, whilst others deify Ronaldinho and Federer can commit similar offences because their sports generate enough ad revenue to scielence any accusations?
he was exciting, but i would rather a clean boring race than an exciting one where i know the rider did not deserve it.
its just completely unfair on the other riders. and THEY are the only ones pulling the sport apart if they dope. and i dont care about other sports, i care abotu cycling
But that's my point exactly; what you call a "clean sport" is determined by a set of arbitrary and nonsensical rules. This sentiment of reality that you are upholding is a mere fictional creation of parasitic governing bodies, designed to protect ad revenues. The doping rules are not in place to protect the rider's safety, nor to ensure fairness; they are not, in any way, compatible with the spirit of cycling.
ok, i think i see where you are coming from... because some riders dope, everyone should dope, that way it will be a fair race. so if everyone is CHEATING, we are all equal? what the hell is wrong with you!?...dont you want a sport were no one is cheating?
Fabian Cancellara!!! greatest. BEST VIDEO!!!!
COME ON CADEL!!! 2010!!!!!
jacobsiwers 1 year ago
great video
musashijfstr 3 years ago 2
ULLRICH I MISS YOU SO!!
babgp 3 years ago
Que lindo es el ciclismo, traccion a sangre, pero q sea "limpia"
nneztitor 3 years ago
MUITO EMOCIONANTE!!!!
luisbike01 3 years ago
wow, this is an amazing video. really know how to capture those awesome moments
sunnyd214 3 years ago
It amazes me how such good videos on YouTube get so few views and videos of people making out will get 500,000+
largefallingicicles 3 years ago 2
This is exclellent and I'm only 34 seconds in.
largefallingicicles 3 years ago
great video!!! very nice!!
Radsportler89 4 years ago
Who won at 4:22?
livestrongcsc182 4 years ago
Cancellara
123coolhandluke123 4 years ago
Fabian Cancellara and behind him Erki Zabel :O
babgp 3 years ago
yeah i agree with janos, because right now, the limits are on how much of a certain chemical or substance is in someones blood. People's blood composition varies (I.E. Landis has a ton of testoterone). Instead, they should have regulations on how much of a ceratin substance one can use safely. You can even die from drinking too mcuh water (like more than 2 gallons), but you can use EPO safely to a certain extent.
livestrongcsc182 4 years ago
Its sad to say but all riders at this level and about 2 levels below are completely jacked. The system isnt rigid enough to make a drug free sport. Some day it might happen. Its videos like this that gives me renewed interest in my recreation and sport.
largefallingicicles 3 years ago
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loadercycling 1 year ago
and how the hell can anti doping rules not be in the spirit of cycling?!?! and the rules ARE there to protect riders, and to protect fair competition. if im in a race, and im clean and come 2nd to a dirty fucking cheat, how is that in the 'spirit of cycling'??
woodwaa1 4 years ago
First thing, mate, there's no reason to get personal. But to clarify what I meant by "the spirit of cycling", this was a reference to the sport's legacy of shunning commercial or monetary influence; cyclists don't turn pro for financial reward so much as for their love of the sport. Likewise, owners of bike shops rarely go into business to reap great profits, but rather do so as result of their passion. "Doping" laws are the product the drive by the UCI to secure TV coverage, and thus money.
janos5 4 years ago
lastly, just to clarify- do you think its ok for riders to cheat? or do you want no anti doping legislation, and for cycling to go back to the state it was in in the 1990s? with practically every rider on epo?
woodwaa1 4 years ago
I just want the sport to be about the riders and their bikes; preferably in conjunction with a set of drug rules that is designed to protect the riders' health. If athletes can use epo safely, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to utilize it. We would be better off if the focus was on our achievements, rather than on who is cheating. The media's coverage of football and tennis is not plagued with controversy over sports medicine, and the sports are much better off for it.
janos5 4 years ago
Secondly, the advocates of doping laws couldn't give a toss about the riders' safety. If they did then why would want to apply new testing methods to archived urine samples of retired riders to determine if they cheated. Moreover, if they were concerned about riders' health, then they would ban dynepo. Being a derivative of cultured human cells, it is more dangerous than the pig cell derived epo.
janos5 4 years ago
im in favour of looking back at old urine records, i want to know who was cheating. if they didnt play by the rules they should give the title to someone who did.
woodwaa1 4 years ago
And thirdly, equality means nothing in cycling. Do you think Contador "cheated" in the final time trial because the Discovery team could afford endless wind tunnel testing, whilst Cadel's Predictor-Lotto team's smaller budget couldn't provide this luxury?
janos5 4 years ago
equality- yeh ok there is a big difference in the budgets of some teams. but because one thing is unfair, its not an excuse to allow other more unfairness. surely anything that can be done to put riders on an equal start line (i.e no drug enhancement) should be done!
woodwaa1 4 years ago
Finally, I do want a sport where nobody is cheating; it's just that I want "cheating" to mean breaking a rule that was the product of reason, and not a philistine monetary caprice. And oh yeah, I'll route for you in any race, despite your (in my opinion) slightly misguided views on doping; you have an obvious love and passion for the sport, which I can't help but admire.
janos5 4 years ago
how are my views on drug cheating misguided...ill simplify them, i dont agree with drugs cheats. it should be about man and machine, not man, machine and epo. its about what your willing to put into the sport and your training, not what you inject in your veins.
woodwaa1 4 years ago
My point is that what makes riders "cheaters" is a mass of disjointed and arbitrary rules. If doping laws were cohesive, comprehensive, and based upon a logical objective then I would absolutely agree with you. However, I could use gene therapy and change my DNA to produce more red blood cells and not be deemed a "cheater" by the current UCI laws, yet Vino or Tyler Hamilton are "cheaters" because of their actions...
janos5 4 years ago
...Yet, and I'm sure that you will concur, I should be just as guilty. Doping laws make no sense, and thus your opinions are misguided.
janos5 4 years ago
el mejor video que he visto en toda mi vida gracias
Jumillano 4 years ago
Very well done. Too bad there'll be no more pink T-Mobile jerseys for us to watch in the future. And thanks for putting Vino in your video; with two stage wins earned it.
janos5 4 years ago
how can you say he earned it...he cheated. the only reason he should be in the video is so you can point him out and say- "that bastard is a cheat and should have his head shoved into the bladed spokes of a wheel at 60mph"
woodwaa1 4 years ago
Well, one reason by which I can say this is that his wins in the two stages are greater than either of us could do with or without illegal assistance. And second, because the doping laws in cycling are absolute bollocks; it is the governing bodies' actions, and not those of the riders, which are pulling the sport apart...
janos5 4 years ago
...Then, Vino was, in my opinion, the most exciting rider to watch for the past eight years. Why ought we to point him out as a cheater, whilst others deify Ronaldinho and Federer can commit similar offences because their sports generate enough ad revenue to scielence any accusations?
janos5 4 years ago
"Well, one reason by which I can say this is that his wins in the two stages are greater than either of us could do"
that is not a reason to let someone cheat. he took the win from someone else who was potentially clean,playing by the rules, its dispicable!
woodwaa1 4 years ago
he was exciting, but i would rather a clean boring race than an exciting one where i know the rider did not deserve it.
its just completely unfair on the other riders. and THEY are the only ones pulling the sport apart if they dope. and i dont care about other sports, i care abotu cycling
woodwaa1 4 years ago
"Well, one reason by which I can say this is that his wins in the two stages are greater than either of us could do"
believ it or not its not about you or me. at the end of the day, other CLEAN,FAIR, riders were cheated out of a win because of someone cheating...
woodwaa1 4 years ago
But that's my point exactly; what you call a "clean sport" is determined by a set of arbitrary and nonsensical rules. This sentiment of reality that you are upholding is a mere fictional creation of parasitic governing bodies, designed to protect ad revenues. The doping rules are not in place to protect the rider's safety, nor to ensure fairness; they are not, in any way, compatible with the spirit of cycling.
janos5 4 years ago
ok, i think i see where you are coming from... because some riders dope, everyone should dope, that way it will be a fair race. so if everyone is CHEATING, we are all equal? what the hell is wrong with you!?...dont you want a sport were no one is cheating?
woodwaa1 4 years ago
this video is one of the best, if not the best for the ones made about the 07 tour! nice job !
woodwaa1 4 years ago
thanks! :)
magicdodo3 4 years ago
Great Video
Eagle021001 4 years ago
what is the emusic?
Jumillano 4 years ago
very nice:D
hal565 4 years ago
Où trouves-tu tes vidéos??
nicografiti 4 years ago
le site d'orange les propose en excellente qualité ;)
magicdodo3 4 years ago
VIVE LE TOUR!!!!!
gilbsr 4 years ago 2