Power House Micro Hydro 20 KW Pumps as Turbine Motor as Generator

[HungryGreeny]

How it's maintain constant frequency?

[Honders]

@HungryGreeny ,

It has a frequency feedback loop. If frequency drifts up the valve closes some, if frequency goes down the water valve is opened very slowly.

[HungryGreeny]

@Honders So, why there is dump load controller? I thought destination of dump load is to provide constant load on the generator, and thereby maintain constant rpm, and constant frequency. Where is my misunderstanding?

[Honders]

@HungryGreeny Yes, the load controllers act more rapidly to keep the voltage in check. The frequency feedback loop is slower acting but keeps the long term stability of the frequency in check. Grid connected generators are automatically stabilized by the grid and don't need these controls.

[HungryGreeny]

@Honders Hm, then i have another question - why grid connected generators automatically stabilized? Grid also don't have constant load isn't it?

[Honders]

@HungryGreeny , The grid is like a freight train, my little generator is like a person pushing on the back. The train (grid) speed (voltage/frequency) will be the same no matter if I push or not, or whether it is loaded down with 100 cars or 110 cars.

[HungryGreeny]

@Honders Thanx for your answers!

[MrJgodwin]

How many volts were you pumping out ?

[douro20]

How much power are you generating?

[xshadowkillerx1]

hi im only 11 years old and i love inventing im already working on a jet pack i have made the motor still working on the body and making sure i dont crash

[truckinjeff]

How do you monitor and control the voltage and phasing of the generators?

[Ali2011mb]

Excellent video. See my channel electric motor new design.

[spicoli17]

Much different story if you want to introduce other sources of power (solar etc). Feasible if you add power but certainly not running a pump off of a generator to run the pump that turns your generator or vice versa.

[Honders]

Sorry, no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. But check out LENR CANR on google. Pons and Fleischman discovered it in 1989, now Rossi and Focardi appear to have a practical working device!

Happy Hydro

Rob

[d1v1n3ebp]

I don't understand why a recycling system wouldn't work. Perhaps in your exact application it may not be efficient, but in a smaller system if you were able to produce enough water flow via a pump to turn the turbine creating more energy than is being consumed by the pump, why would that not sustain?

[spicoli17]

@d1v1n3ebp conservation of energy.

[d1v1n3ebp]

@spicoli17 I don't buy it. In an area with little water and no energy, ANY energy would be better than none. Chances are an area like that has a lot of sun. Solar panel a battery system for an efficient, high flow pump. Plumb a turbine into the line. Replace static PSI from gravity with the pressure from the pump. Reduce the line to a jet to create higher velocity. Basin directly beneath catches water and immediately returns it. 0 head on the pump. Very little water needed. Explain why not.

[junior94441]

how my googd

[marktsheppard]

...because water is "sticky" ...and water does stick together... and with the minerals in it... water it's self... might be self contained through it's own gravity... or it's own magnetism... hmmm... especially large amounts of water... the same way as the moons gravitation... pulls on the ocean... hmmm... think about it...

[marktsheppard]

...now ...imagine a thousand of these... or then thousand... and with help of gravity... the same water can pass through a hundred of these little machines.... and... or each one can have a by-pass helper valve... to ad to the water-pressure... simple! ...yet with the help of suction... then we might even have to regulate the suction that's being generated... because the water flowing... might be similar to an avalanche... and the water might flow faster and faster... DANGER!!! ...a tidal wave

[lblmer]

Brilliant set up....if one has a waterfall.

[oliverjamescarr]

Very nice. Im not sure on what you are doing with the electricity but from my calculations you could make £60 per day from that if you sold it to the grid! That redefines the saying living off the grid!

[TheRealDealinlife]

Someone did a good job on building that!

[SteveWrightNZ]

How do you manage surge? I'm looking at all that plastic pipework and cant help but imagine pipes bursting...

[energy1concept]

where can I get a 30 kw. like this and how much will it cost

[MMACHMP]

what does a system like this cost to build?

[xeonic2]

I've read all of your 69 pages PDF you made, showing us the construction of this micro-hydro project. It would be a project of a life time for me. As a Industrial Electronics student, your work inspire me!

[yo6ial]

Well... THAT'S NICE!!!

I get hypnotized looking at that flywheel spinning :D

Thanks for posting! Really-really nice setup you have there! :)

I whose thinking of using water pumps as turbines but all looked a bit...ummm... inefficient? In pumps, the turbine blades are fully radial, as I had seen so far...

[GoBigOrGoHome2O12]

I have a stream with 200 feet of head @40 gallons per minute. How many watts would a system like this generate?

Thanks

[bashiryu]

I have been looking at you video. It is impresive, cool, I like it very much. One question came in my mind. Are you using the same water over and over or you have water coming from up stream? In otherway will it work where there is no alot of water. Can I use water in pool over and over.

Thanks

[Honders]

@bashiryu

I have water coming from upstream. The nuclear fission in the sun put it there (rain). I'm just extracting a small % of the energy that the sun put into the water by raising it up.

If I were to try to pump it back up I would lose about half the energy in the water at each spin around the loop. No such thing as perpetual motion but there are plenty of real & possible ways to harvest energy, so don't stop dreaming, but concentrate on the possible and study physics.

[Spicyperson9123]

@Honders hehe wrong it is not nuclear fission in the sun it is fusion

[Honders]

@Spicyperson9123

You are right, fusion, hot fusion at that. Check out what is happening in cold fusion, google LENR SPAWAR.

[Beachnative42]

@bashiryu You've got to be kidding right? Head pressure, look it up, silly!

[jasonrj8992]

As an engineering student, I aspire to be on this guy's level.

[bashiryu]

Hi

Would you please explain about Adding "Second Flywheel for increased reactive power." I want planing to do hydro generator myself. How I add Flywheel

thanks

[Honders]

@bashiryu

The flywheel stores energy, 10,000 Watts for 1 second, or 5000 W for 2 seconds etc.

This helps to start up heavy loads like electric motors which draw a large initial startup current (power) and then, once up to speed, the power requirement drops off.

See: EnergyIndependence-Rob.Blogspo­t.com for more info.

Happy Hydro

Rob

[dadigitechman]

What is the volt and amp rating of your dump load?

[Honders]

@dadigitechman

Two 1500 watt 240V water heater elements in series for total of 3000W @480V.

These water heating elements are immersed in the penstock. The controller only turns them on proportionally to the amount of over voltage. No over voltage no wasted energy in dump load.

[doradovista]

Says CC-2C & Power Factor correction for a 3 phase PAT setup. How reliable are your units working out?

[xadam2dudex]

hmmm so u have to have a stream running by to use this

[Yankeeprepper]

Very good work man. You are very fortunate.

[councilglasses]

That motor if 3 phase is no where big enough for 20Kw

[Honders]

@councilglasses

Motor / generator is rated 30 HP. Magnetic pickup / hall device RPM signal fed back to butterfly valve control motor. Keeps frequency to within a couple of hertz.

Rob

[councilglasses]

How are you controling frequency

[mjgnecco]

Nice job....



[samar322632263226]

honders,it was very impressive.gr8 work.how are you getting the water supply.

[samar322632263226]

honders,it was very impressive.gr8 work.there is a simple modification dat can be done is.....exhaust is with turbine which rotates compressor or the generator armature winding.it can also rotate the compressor which will increase the fuel efficiency as well for your generator.

[socertiesDB9]

great job guys!!! just one question though, from your blog you mention that not all types of centrifugal pumps can operate as a 'pump as turbine unit', i was wondering are more detailed specifications about which type/s of centrifugal pumps can work as 'pump as turbine' units?

[Honders]

@socertiesDB9

Look for pumps that have enclosed impellers. See: EnergyIndependence-Rob.Blogspo­t.com for more information.

[deepwater1974]

I want to buy 100 Acres, build my own house and go off the grid.

[sys22kh]

Nice Job. Who is bearing these expenses.... Because in my country peoples are not ready at all to understand any type of Innovation related anything or subject.

[lexichronicle2]

that's a nice setup to have at home!

[bosatsu76]

Dude: this is rocket science to me. Very impressive...

[1kzrider]

@bosatsu76 I hate to say it but, I am with what he said. Great job. Where is the water being piped in from?

[dirtydogvideo]

excellent!

[mdeonx16]

I'll need this when I'm living in the woods lol

[electrique527]

Hi! Good good job! :)

Do you have a cost estimate for the complete setup? A rough number is ok.

[panzarw]

Wait wait wait!!!

Is this guy using the heating line to power his generator turbine?

[iczer01]

Amazing Work ! Did you do it yourself ? How much does a setup like that cost ? Are you tied into the grid ?

[Turbocharge1000]

you got a way to measure the RPM of the motor in the beginning of the vid?

[RICHLES01]

scrap the figures thats still a wage from that set up

[RICHLES01]

that set up in the uk would give £6 per hr, 24/7 from the grid, over £200 per day. Who needs to work?

[iqbalchd]

A very good setup I looking to do a similar setup were I would like to produce power from a fram watering system currently I use 240V 30KW motor I am interested in running this motor from hydro power. can you please help

[kanhen08]

You got an email mate? I would be very interesting in discovering how you reverse engineered the pump curve, any idea of efficiency?

[doggy0803]

Great looking job!

What do you have for head and gpm?

Also, what brand of turbine is that?

Any specs at all would be greatly appreciated!

[Honders]

20KW 24/7 about 10 months of the year. Rob

[2006Casino]

Looks like a well planned operation. How much energy is it producing?

[MullaneyRC]

@2006Casino 20KW?