these driver of this old rangerover he should have use real low gear and give it plenty of gas, a more modern truck like a rav4 or jimny would heve been a better bet ;-)
@bertyUK i can just tell my own experience, ive worked in a land rover service and most of the time we had customers coming, most of the faults were electrical problems
@solgabert nope actually im not im just a fan of british old school stuff, nothing im a fan of jsut we USED to build the best and badest but now we dont build jack, trying to big up the old boys more than anything. i have a british landy old military v8 plus a starex 4x4 amoungst italian motorbike and v8 1971 challenger mopar.
@SRSpoony True, the old ones are way nice! Still today I prefer a new production line Toyota to a new production line Range Rover. The Rangerover has simply gotten too fancy with too many breakable parts..
@SRSpoony True the old British Landrovers are really neat. However, for what is fresh off the production line today, I think Toyota has a more impressive lineup. :)
@marshalllucky - as it happens, the Range Rover is the best for this sort of thing - no other vehicle would have been better unless it was a huge military vehicle. The Range Rover really needed winter tyres for a more successful pull. So when the bus was freed from the ice and snow, what will it do then? How far will it go before getting stuck again? May as well have left it there.
by the sounds of it it was low range, but that aside range rovers have only a central differential lock, hence the lack of all 4 wheels spinning, if he had axle lockers all 4 wheels would spin together! either way, it pulled the bus!! simple!! i own a disco and it pulled many thing out of the snow including a 15 ton 4 axle rigid!
ok ok, so you've got, ONE rangy trying to pull a BUS up a hill right. now if you had 4 or 5 rangys trying to pull a bus up a hill wouldn't it be easier and quicker, or is that the easy way?
@maradonasssssss difflock locks the transmission diff but this dosent fully help because the diffs on the axles still have a limited slip diff which means when you corner less power is put to the wheel with weight on it, you have to buy air lockers and put them in your diffs when activates it will lock them completely and its unstoppable!!
@mopartuff440240 ftlb (torque from engine) x 28.5 (overall gear ratio in first low range including diffs) x 1.5 (estimated torque multiplication from torque convertor) = 10,260. So 10,000 ftlb total give or take. (thats 2,500 ftlb per wheel) suck on that mug!
@mopartuff440 That is not an unreasonable number for final drive torque. Assuming that his gear calculations are correct that would mean the engine generates a potential 240 lb*ft of torque which actually seems low (however I don't know what the motor specs are for that vehicle)
However, it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 ft*lb or 1,000,000 ft*lb if you can't get traction its useless.
That hasnt got difflocks all round for sure, its got decent tyres a raised air intake witch makes no diffence in the snow, possibly a 2inch lift witch again makes no diffence here.
cw205mi16 you are right it is a modified range rover and by the looks of it diff lock was on as all four wheels were spinning at the same time,
just goes to show how good old landrovers are not too sure a modern defender would do the same job and before someone says they have a 3.5 tonne towing capacity its not down to that i say that its down to all the modern system eg. traction control, abs, asc
His centre diff lock might be on, but the only reason all four spin at once is because all four have the same level of grip, you can see there are no axle diff locks at 0:17
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Don't tell anybody but the diff-lock AND low range are dead helpful when pulling a bus up a hill in the snow! This twit had neither on. BTW who is the daft old bugger in the flat cap filming at the end of this clip?!!!
It doesn't look your average range rover though does it, rideheight, tyres and snorkel so he might know. I don't know about the diffs but all 4 wheels were spinning and you can't tell what range it's in by looking at wheelspin!
@cw205mi16 I don't know about Landys (I'm a landcruiser man) but you can clearly see that the front locker is locked (if the landrover has one?) because 1 front wheel was spining at one point and the other wasn't!
@jlocks90 err, no. The diff lock locks the centre diff, not the front (or rear). So there with the lock on there will always be equal torque going to front & rear axles. In factory-standard condition though, neither front nor rear diffs are lockable, nor are they limited slip. So it's perfectly possible to have one front and one rear wheel spinning and the other two stationary - even with the lock on.
@cw205mi16 no but if it was in low range the wheels wouldnt be spinning anywhere near as fast as that, in low range more power goes to the wheels but they go very slowly, infact you only move about 4 mph, its designed to get you out of a ditch or pulling heavy weights.
@mukageegee um, first - the old rangeys like that didn't all have diff lock, most of them had the borg warner viscous coupling. second - the coupling is locking or it is in diff lock because all 4 wheels are spinning, without either the wheel with less grip will just spin. third - low range is not always helpful when your trying to get momentum into something like that.
@themunster Thanks for the info. It's great when we get someone with real info on mechanical history. Do you know what criteria for borg warner and centre air diff lock was for these BTW.?
I'm not sure, most of the early rangeys I've seen had the viscous coupling, which is basically an automatic difflock - it locks when the wheels start to slip up the car will drive normally when there is no differential in speed between the front and back axles. You can manually lock the coupling but it requires taking it apart, something done on challenge vehicles. Also this rangey has had some modifications to its drive train as it looks to of had locking differentials fitted front and back.
@cerberuszj33 Alright who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow? When did I say it had a diff lock on the "differentials themselves"? If you can't understand these things, don't go around these sites leaving disrespectful comments. And BTW I do know that the diff lock is on the transfer case as I rebuilt mine after disolving the diff during a nasty climb in a race. So there!
@mukageegee the funny part for me was at the end those 2 guys realy think theyr help is going to make that bus go any faster. let me think 20 ton double decker bus + 2 ton landrover + 2 -13 stone blokes behind = 22 ton of power and 2 plebs trying to catch the bus..............
@mukageegee low range wouldn't help - in fact it would probably make things worse. Problem isn't lack of torque - it's lack of traction. The fact the wheels are spinning says there's already plenty of torque. Putting it into low range wouldn't increase traction. Low range would increase torque making it more difficult to prevent wheelspin. And a spinning wheel has less traction than one that isn't. (And btw the diff lock _is_ on: you can tell 'cos there's always at least 1F+!R spinning).
@mukageegee low range wouldn't help - in fact it would probably make things worse. Problem isn't lack of torque - it's lack of traction. The fact the wheels are spinning says there's already plenty of torque. Putting it into low range wouldn't increase traction. Low range would increase torque making it more difficult to prevent wheelspin. And a spinning wheel has less traction than one that isn't. (And btw the diff lock _is_ on: you can tell 'cos there's always at least 1F+!R spinning).
Low range locks the drive shafts to 50/50, if you dont have low range, you have a open center differential and power can go all over the place. Part time or low range gives you alot better traction because the drive train is locked in a split power range..
Now i know having open front and rear differentials the power can go to only 2 wheels if they are spinning like you see in this video by watching the front wheels, however Low lock keeps it at 50/50.
@mukageegee this has limited slip diffs in it you can see that by the way it locks up when it starts to spin one side but still oulling a 13 and half tonne bus up a hill is not a bad effort by a long stretch
This baby really deserves that license plate "PWR"
gonzccs 1 month ago
range rover !
stypkata85 2 months ago
The two guys at the back of the bus. Do they think they're helping?
counterclockwise123 2 months ago
that doesn't count because they were pushing it as well lol :)
Well done though. "good show" as they say.
That poor clutch though! :)
goodcat1982 3 months ago
@marshalllucky Not really... Land Rovers are better than Rav4's for this sort of thing. Rav4's are too light.
TranceFur 3 months ago
these driver of this old rangerover he should have use real low gear and give it plenty of gas, a more modern truck like a rav4 or jimny would heve been a better bet ;-)
marshalllucky 3 months ago
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@marshalllucky Proper V8 torque or tinny micro-4x4? I think the V8s the better bet, ta.
TheWierdFish 3 weeks ago
did i see a smile on mona !!
kevleisa 3 months ago
The Range Rover Classic was the best car ever built.
bertyUK 4 months ago
@bertyUK when it runs...
mig7u 2 months ago
@mig7u
Bullshit.
Proper maintenance is all it takes. I've owned 2 classics which never consistently let me down.
Corrosion was the problem, again thanks to previous owners lack of waxoyl.
bertyUK 2 months ago
@bertyUK i can just tell my own experience, ive worked in a land rover service and most of the time we had customers coming, most of the faults were electrical problems
mig7u 2 months ago
v8 power what can i say ,she would pull better with more people in it
123markmac 4 months ago
THIS IS WHY YOU BUY BRITISH
SRSpoony 4 months ago
@SRSpoony Hahaha! A Toyota could have done that a heck of a lot easier, better and quicker.
solgabert 4 months ago
@solgabert yawn your already boring me now go back to your hole
SRSpoony 4 months ago
@SRSpoony lol. Your a range rover fan I take it?
solgabert 4 months ago
@solgabert nope actually im not im just a fan of british old school stuff, nothing im a fan of jsut we USED to build the best and badest but now we dont build jack, trying to big up the old boys more than anything. i have a british landy old military v8 plus a starex 4x4 amoungst italian motorbike and v8 1971 challenger mopar.
SRSpoony 4 months ago
@SRSpoony True, the old ones are way nice! Still today I prefer a new production line Toyota to a new production line Range Rover. The Rangerover has simply gotten too fancy with too many breakable parts..
solgabert 4 months ago
@SRSpoony True the old British Landrovers are really neat. However, for what is fresh off the production line today, I think Toyota has a more impressive lineup. :)
solgabert 4 months ago
@SRSpoony
or Indian, as it is now.
sparkygl0s 3 months ago
Get that winch on something and you'll have the whole rig moving no problem - stay clear of the cable though ;O)
u4987 5 months ago
Brilliant !
Land Rover 1- Ken Livingstone 0.
Thanks for Posting... ;)
flashart 5 months ago
If it was not for the two blokes pushing, the bus would still be there!
mypiratemonkey 7 months ago
actually why dont transport companies buy wintwr tyres in the UK?
coupecruiser 9 months ago
this old land rover is not up to the job, it needs a shogun or lada niva for a job like this ;-)
marshalllucky 10 months ago
@marshalllucky - as it happens, the Range Rover is the best for this sort of thing - no other vehicle would have been better unless it was a huge military vehicle. The Range Rover really needed winter tyres for a more successful pull. So when the bus was freed from the ice and snow, what will it do then? How far will it go before getting stuck again? May as well have left it there.
Cyberwwwizard 6 months ago
@Cyberwwwizard my aunt, she is very sick ;-(
marshalllucky 6 months ago
@marshalllucky - what relevance is that to this video?
Cyberwwwizard 6 months ago
amazing how its ok to own and drive a 4x4 when its winter
TheSlimedshady 11 months ago 2
those range rovers fking rule
JBLgangsta 11 months ago
london, put difflox on ur buses :P or get the routemasters back
MegaZsolti 1 year ago
diff lock is on
craigw121 1 year ago
lol @ the guy trying to push the bus up the hell.
thekatrinacrew 1 year ago
by the sounds of it it was low range, but that aside range rovers have only a central differential lock, hence the lack of all 4 wheels spinning, if he had axle lockers all 4 wheels would spin together! either way, it pulled the bus!! simple!! i own a disco and it pulled many thing out of the snow including a 15 ton 4 axle rigid!
peteyh254 1 year ago
i think them two men actualy thought they was pushing the bus lmfao!
fishing342 1 year ago
land rover win!
JasonHam41 1 year ago
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Did the two guys trying to push the bus really think they were contributing that much? Especially the guy with only one hand on the back.
gm87423 1 year ago
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gm87423 1 year ago
ok ok, so you've got, ONE rangy trying to pull a BUS up a hill right. now if you had 4 or 5 rangys trying to pull a bus up a hill wouldn't it be easier and quicker, or is that the easy way?
mopartuff440 1 year ago
whats the difference between diff lock and air lock and limited slip diff?
maradonasssssss 1 year ago
@maradonasssssss difflock locks the transmission diff but this dosent fully help because the diffs on the axles still have a limited slip diff which means when you corner less power is put to the wheel with weight on it, you have to buy air lockers and put them in your diffs when activates it will lock them completely and its unstoppable!!
tomtom590 1 year ago
Why aren't they using chains? O_o;
AestheticQuietus 1 year ago
thats because its jap crap! i cant see it pulling 12 ton of bus down hil !
barlowcarl 1 year ago
i dont understand. my isuzu dmax has 294 torque. it states it has more than this rangie. but dont think it would stand a chance against this.
maradonasssssss 1 year ago
@maradonasssssss yes but in low range that range rover produces 10 000 ftlb of torque so would thrash your car lol
tomtom590 1 year ago
@tomtom590 Got proof of 10, 00 ftlb of torque
mopartuff440 1 year ago
@mopartuff440240 ftlb (torque from engine) x 28.5 (overall gear ratio in first low range including diffs) x 1.5 (estimated torque multiplication from torque convertor) = 10,260. So 10,000 ftlb total give or take. (thats 2,500 ftlb per wheel) suck on that mug!
tomtom590 1 year ago
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@mopartuff440 That is not an unreasonable number for final drive torque. Assuming that his gear calculations are correct that would mean the engine generates a potential 240 lb*ft of torque which actually seems low (however I don't know what the motor specs are for that vehicle)
However, it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 ft*lb or 1,000,000 ft*lb if you can't get traction its useless.
gm87423 1 year ago
diff lock plz
denny1190 1 year ago
could of done with help like tht when my decker got stuck on the cobbled high street lol
jumbodoug 2 years ago
why isnt the bus in service?
platinumaccount 2 years ago
That hasnt got difflocks all round for sure, its got decent tyres a raised air intake witch makes no diffence in the snow, possibly a 2inch lift witch again makes no diffence here.
landrovertractorboat 2 years ago
cw205mi16 you are right it is a modified range rover and by the looks of it diff lock was on as all four wheels were spinning at the same time,
just goes to show how good old landrovers are not too sure a modern defender would do the same job and before someone says they have a 3.5 tonne towing capacity its not down to that i say that its down to all the modern system eg. traction control, abs, asc
dazzabhoy 2 years ago
His centre diff lock might be on, but the only reason all four spin at once is because all four have the same level of grip, you can see there are no axle diff locks at 0:17
legostalwart 2 years ago 15
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Don't tell anybody but the diff-lock AND low range are dead helpful when pulling a bus up a hill in the snow! This twit had neither on. BTW who is the daft old bugger in the flat cap filming at the end of this clip?!!!
mukageegee 2 years ago
It doesn't look your average range rover though does it, rideheight, tyres and snorkel so he might know. I don't know about the diffs but all 4 wheels were spinning and you can't tell what range it's in by looking at wheelspin!
cw205mi16 2 years ago 20
@cw205mi16 I don't know about Landys (I'm a landcruiser man) but you can clearly see that the front locker is locked (if the landrover has one?) because 1 front wheel was spining at one point and the other wasn't!
radiostarcountry 1 year ago
@cw205mi16 diff lock isnt on because the 2 front wheels are spinning independantly
jlocks90 1 year ago
@jlocks90 err, no. The diff lock locks the centre diff, not the front (or rear). So there with the lock on there will always be equal torque going to front & rear axles. In factory-standard condition though, neither front nor rear diffs are lockable, nor are they limited slip. So it's perfectly possible to have one front and one rear wheel spinning and the other two stationary - even with the lock on.
boondiggle 1 year ago
@cw205mi16 no but if it was in low range the wheels wouldnt be spinning anywhere near as fast as that, in low range more power goes to the wheels but they go very slowly, infact you only move about 4 mph, its designed to get you out of a ditch or pulling heavy weights.
infernodood3 1 year ago
@mukageegee um, first - the old rangeys like that didn't all have diff lock, most of them had the borg warner viscous coupling. second - the coupling is locking or it is in diff lock because all 4 wheels are spinning, without either the wheel with less grip will just spin. third - low range is not always helpful when your trying to get momentum into something like that.
themunster 1 year ago
@themunster Thanks for the info. It's great when we get someone with real info on mechanical history. Do you know what criteria for borg warner and centre air diff lock was for these BTW.?
mukageegee 1 year ago
I'm not sure, most of the early rangeys I've seen had the viscous coupling, which is basically an automatic difflock - it locks when the wheels start to slip up the car will drive normally when there is no differential in speed between the front and back axles. You can manually lock the coupling but it requires taking it apart, something done on challenge vehicles. Also this rangey has had some modifications to its drive train as it looks to of had locking differentials fitted front and back.
themunster 1 year ago
@mukageegee You're an idiot. The diff lock is only on the transfer case not the differentials themselves.
cerberuszj33 1 year ago
@cerberuszj33 Alright who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow? When did I say it had a diff lock on the "differentials themselves"? If you can't understand these things, don't go around these sites leaving disrespectful comments. And BTW I do know that the diff lock is on the transfer case as I rebuilt mine after disolving the diff during a nasty climb in a race. So there!
mukageegee 1 year ago
@cerberuszj33 An idiot would not be able to rebuild centre differentials would he you T1T!
mukageegee 1 year ago
@mukageegee the funny part for me was at the end those 2 guys realy think theyr help is going to make that bus go any faster. let me think 20 ton double decker bus + 2 ton landrover + 2 -13 stone blokes behind = 22 ton of power and 2 plebs trying to catch the bus..............
adamtaz6 1 year ago
@mukageegee low range wouldn't help - in fact it would probably make things worse. Problem isn't lack of torque - it's lack of traction. The fact the wheels are spinning says there's already plenty of torque. Putting it into low range wouldn't increase traction. Low range would increase torque making it more difficult to prevent wheelspin. And a spinning wheel has less traction than one that isn't. (And btw the diff lock _is_ on: you can tell 'cos there's always at least 1F+!R spinning).
boondiggle 1 year ago
@mukageegee low range wouldn't help - in fact it would probably make things worse. Problem isn't lack of torque - it's lack of traction. The fact the wheels are spinning says there's already plenty of torque. Putting it into low range wouldn't increase traction. Low range would increase torque making it more difficult to prevent wheelspin. And a spinning wheel has less traction than one that isn't. (And btw the diff lock _is_ on: you can tell 'cos there's always at least 1F+!R spinning).
boondiggle 1 year ago
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1ownjoo2 11 months ago
@boondiggle
Low range locks the drive shafts to 50/50, if you dont have low range, you have a open center differential and power can go all over the place. Part time or low range gives you alot better traction because the drive train is locked in a split power range..
Now i know having open front and rear differentials the power can go to only 2 wheels if they are spinning like you see in this video by watching the front wheels, however Low lock keeps it at 50/50.
1ownjoo2 11 months ago
@mukageegee Think you'll find all 4 wheels are spinning....so theres not really a lot he could do there!
alexthepalix 1 year ago
@mukageegee your a fucking dick who doesnt know what he's talking about, now, back to sucking mummy's tit!!!
2009jimmy2009 1 year ago
@mukageegee this has limited slip diffs in it you can see that by the way it locks up when it starts to spin one side but still oulling a 13 and half tonne bus up a hill is not a bad effort by a long stretch
JasonHam41 1 year ago
the mona lisa looks like she's smiling :)
neverbeen2 2 years ago
Landie Powerr
landrovertractorboat 2 years ago
lol, well that sucks. i have never seen snow in my life and you guys cant move for it :D
shadorius 2 years ago