SSBM Zelgadis (Fox) vs Eddie (Ganon)

[AncientTyrant]

I bet it took Zelgadis $6000 to waveshine like this.

[TheOriginalArchetype]

Wow, not cheap at all.

[SupremeDirt]

Fox.

Making the cool stages unplayable since 2001.

[wabitgirl]

Where did Zelgadis go?

[umirinn]

@wabitgirl correct me if mistaken, but he got banned

[wabitgirl]

@umirinn I think I posted this before he got banned, but yes, I do believe he is barred from the smash community for the shit he pulled at Genesis 2.

[SparkSSBM]

YOU WONT

he did

[dRevan64]

Really Zel?

[Beastica17]

okay good thing fox died once that was NOT 4 stock worthy

[sdmitch16]

@Beastica17 JB 4 stock

[GigglyFart]

@sdmitch16

JV* 

[TravisSaysGG]

How did he cancel his momentum from the meteor smash at 1:07 to 1:09? -.-

[ShittyVideoz]

@TravisSaysGG He did a meteor cancel, which is basically when you jump or up b out of a meteor at the right time, you can recover.

[TravisSaysGG]

@ShittyVideoz Ah mkay o: Thanks

[lionellogan]

@TravisSaysGG u can cancel if u use up and b mostly

[mclace]

God i love this match. even years later its so gay :)

[MilkMan1209]

JV 4 Stock. Zelgadis Special

[jxw6762]

LOL

[FER1044]

WTF super wavedash FOX rules

[john9blue]

oh so this is where that shined blind stuff came from. zelgadis, you fiend you

[electricdolphin]

haha i remember seeing a bunch of that in zelgadis' "shined blind" video.

so legit.

[EviILink]

Lolwat

[xxHolyxxWolfsbanexx]

Shit's too good to be true. I had to try it after I saw this.

[comicshaun07]

That has to be the cheapest fox I've ever seen.

[Mofat]

@comicshaun07 LMAO at you, that's the reason this stage is banned

[KaosFDT]

Wow, I love that level

[iamthemicrowave]

just so you scrubs know, eddie won this set

[Acherontic1]

claaaassic match!

[VGmastaRicky]

Wow, that fox was so disrespectful to eddie!

[youjustfailed]

Why you never use Ganon vs fox if you arent linguini.

[Sveet]

eddie is one of the best players of all time...eddie invented shffl...

this is really old and the stage is banned because of fox gayzies like this.

[1w2ngedangel]

This isn't the luke vs. eddie eddie, is he?

[Sveet]

yea, theres only 1 eddie in the smash community.

[1w2ngedangel]

Does he still play?

[Sveet]

yea but not as much. he plays marth mostly

[Sveet]

yea, he plays marth now though. he did fairly well at SMYM. somewhere around 7th.

[betterthanbonds9]

why this stage is banned....

[PLHarky]

Or Kage.

[Atma01]

JV 4 stock lmao. Good shit Zelgadis.

[jjjintheusa]

zel= So pringles

[UsurperKingZant]

Where yo curly mustache at??

[Musicman6454]

no one can make Zelgadis lose a life! *sees him lose a life* HACKER!

[OMGImFoxy]

When did he lose a stock? That's a JV 4-stock. :)

[Enigmatics2]

yes you can.

[ForgottenSoldier62]

In this certain case, I don't think it would have helped much. Ganon is easy to waveshine, and that hill was an an angle.

[xAfterDawnx]

Yes you can, tard.

[mookindook]

if ganon picked dis stage.... he set his self up 4 DEATH

[Lo0shKiN]

I <3 Melee lol

*looks at Brawl* "You suck, you abomination!"

[BlackVice80]

jv 4 stocked

[smashfanatic]

pwned @ 1:10

[milosalgado]

OMG GAnOWNED

[lovingmonkay]

zel is a tech god >_.

[ChickenIntestines]

Lol @ the noobs that get owned by this type of fox are saying that brawl is better, smh.

[KOFXIKula]

no bugs bunny 1337 i really meant it. smash 64 is way better. at least every character is good. Unlike this game. Of course people will not agree with me but i don't give a shit. its my opinion, deal with it.

[KOFXIKula]

what a bad game.

[BugsBunny1337]

understandable mistake, you obviously meant to say what an amazing game. Its alright though I forgive you.

[HikkiSmash]

Melee 4Ever. Even the "dumb" stages in it are fun as hell :D

[legolastom]

At first I was like: Ha ha ha. But then, I facepalmed.

[LetoZeth]

Bah, using glitches to win is just gay.. Sure he has skills to use them, but that's probably all he has.

[SoapSoapCrayon]

Did you not see how Zelgadis took Eddies second stock? That wasn't bugs.

[center425]

Don't be a scrub

Play to win

[rabbott69]

so true thats y brawl is so much better

[daddyshere1]

ok in melee, there are so little situations where you use a "glitch" to win, and wavedashing isnt really even a glitch, more like an exploit...shorthopping and air dodge diagonally has to do something, and if your not high enough to triangle jump, then you wavedash. Wavedashing is in no way how pros win, they win by learning how to play with great timing and smarts, they react in a second with ease.

[buDinOdiMerDa]

a lot less then a second :) in a second they they think more strategies and mindgames to do than woot i do in a game :D

long life melee

[ZelgadisDBR]

I use controller codes to waveshine like that. True story. I just cheat to win. Yay glitches!

[cubaisdeath]

at least in brawl there are no dumb glitches like waveshining in brawl to make the game unfair when players like you play the game. BRAWL > MELEE

[Miaoumix45]

Wavedashing is not a glitch. Its a technique. And I dont see in what wavedashing is more dumb than DAC. And the game is MORE unfair than Melee.

[cubaisdeath]

lol it was a joke post. anyone with a brain knows melee>brawl mirite?

[Miaoumix45]

Lol sorry I didnt understand, like the 6 other persons that make -1 at your post; certainly xD

(I'm not English, there's some things I dont understand, so I cant see irony etc)

[lovingmonkay]

oh fing hell >_> i know you .. dident read yo name just your apperently stupid fake comment

[lovingmonkay]

you do realize how hard waveshining is to pull of.. oh adn its banned now.. oh and not to mention its incredibly hard to pull of waveshining jeez.. oh and melee > brawl

brawl is for people who dont wanna have skill and just pres oen button every now and then

[cubaisdeath]

LOL waveshining isn't banned, nor is it hard to pull off. the STAGE itself is banned, plus, this was a friendly match from like 2005. who cares?

[lovingmonkay]

waveshining as an infinate is banned >_>

[cubaisdeath]

you can't ban waveshining when there isn't an infinite for it

[maxisku2]

There is an infinite against walls if Fox is fast enough, and no it is not banned.

[cubaisdeath]

nope, smash DI exists, characters can get out of it, therefore no infinite. the only true infinites in the game are wobbling (which is generally banned) and JC Shines against a wall.

[maxisku2]

ahhh JC Shines, that's what I was referring too. Didn't realize there was a difference.

[cubaisdeath]

ah ok yeah. well, the difference is, waveshining against a wall requires more inputs, (down b, jump, airdodge, rinse and repeat) while JC shines give you a 2 frame window to jump out of shine, and shine again...therefore its MUCH harder lol

[maxisku2]

Yeah, I know the difference in terms of button inputs, but I view it as essentially the same thing, JC out of the shine, rape, repeat.

[Strongbad338guy]

you can get out of waveshine against a wall?

regardless there are no legal stages with permanent walls anyway >_>

[cubaisdeath]

yeah, its not hard. its called DI.

[Strongbad338guy]

I'm aware of what DI is, however I didn't know you could DI a shine. I thought it had the same knockback no matter what. >_> and against a wall... well I don't see how you can DI out of that.

[cubaisdeath]

well then you obviously don't know the mechanics of it. just because you have a move with set knockback doesn't mean you can DI. getting shined against a wall is easy to DI out of. DI up, then DI behind, viola, you are out of the "infinite"

[Strongbad338guy]

lol. ok.

[Hatespetamorethanu]

unfortunately with the hill it takes away the distance to di far enough :(

[TOYD3]

Corneria. Well, permenant at least until an Arwing shoots you.

[ForgottenSoldier62]

I think you can DI up and over and maybe do a walljump in that corner, 'cause it's weird like that.

I got out of it once there, so idk.

[VGmastaRicky]

that was cool. i wish i could shine charge ppl out of the stage that way.

[StriCNYN3]

one more thing, THE TIERS. when it comes down to it, ANY CHARACTER can win, for example, look at Gimpy fish, he mains bowser, but he is at pro level with him, then theres mango, a VERY good jiggs player, people who say "everyone uses the top tier to win" its their decision who they want to be, they werent forced to be them, its because they like these characters, tiers are not the BEST CHARACTERS, tiers are the characters that won most in tournaments,

[StriCNYN3]

for the people who complain about melee's "glitches" glitches in melee are like the "black hole", and so what if you cant win against a player who knows the AT's? that person actually spent the time working hard to get where he has gotten, why should he lose if you havent even put in the effort? its not like the AT is an instant kill button, it takes time an dedication, and why do you complain about wavedashing, but dont say a thing about brawl's tripping? now that is straight bull...

[aznhomboi]

that was gay

[SSBMeta]

Also, for people who think this stage is broken because of the waveshines, that's not even half the reason, lol.

It has one of the lowest ceilings in the game (Fox kills some characters at around 40%), the sloped ledges and walk-off ledge promote camping, the left boundary is extremely close to the ledge (easy to gimp people), and Fox can d-throw spike some people through the bottom blocks. LOOOL

[tagNickname55]

stupid zelgadis, hes really not that good

just knows the stage well and can waveshine

in his combo video(against HIS OWN CREW) his crew di's the wrong way on purpose to make sure he has good combos

however, ive got to give props to him for some of the things he does

[Acherontic1]

stop talking.

this video is classic...

[tagNickname55]

oh sry

and btw you have a good fox :)

[SSBMeta]

Why are people still bringing up his combo video? Most of the people I hear talking shit about Zel were still noobs back when he recorded that footage, and it was just a video for entertainment, because you know, that's what a combo video is made for.

[Ensayne7]

shut... the FUCK up!

[KCxElly]

hehe. i love watching this vid every time someone posts a new comment here towards the current argument, or just about "glitches" in general. watching this. i figure :

i = the fox that's "glitching" to win

noobs = the ganon that refuses to accept defeat and complain like no tomorrow.

grow a pair kids.

[KCxElly]

k i fucking know about his tipper, i main marth you noob. but that doesn't explain much, 'cause if you use someone else, say. falco, if you fsmash when someone's right beside you, they fly UP, if you fsmash just so that falco's foot hits the other player, they fly forward. are you stupid? same deal with a lot of other characters. damn.. also, to bigd926. don't even get caughtup in this, he's not worth it, but because of him, i'm able to check my mails and stuff on youtube =D

[jaxosaxo]

kk if ppl are complaining about fox's wave shining or marths range why doesnt everyone jsu tuse marth and stfu and stop being a lil bitch about how characters are better why dont youjust use marth or fox if youthink there so good

[KCxElly]

noobs don't play technically, plain and simple.

[jaxosaxo]

For sure man i hear you stupid noobs... complaining and shit

[KCxElly]

there's no point in bothering with noobs who complain to play. i have a better idea. the less you talk, the less we retaliate. understand? probably not, you show no logic arguing about the game, having drag the rest of us in this. this video is amusing. have a laugh. if you're gonna complain about the way people play here, go somewhere else, nobody gives a shit about you

[KCxElly]

then again, i only play brawl for online, other than that, it's noobsauce, Melee > Brawl

[Judgement40]

That Fox player is a douche

[mustbe18]

wow mad props to Zelgadis for the incredibly impressive wave shining. that stuff in insainly hard.

[KCxElly]

it's not impressive, it's amusing*

[edge578]

I hate when players do whatever they can to win, no matter how cheap or unfair.

[Megashadow2000]

I agree, its not fighting when they do the same move over and over again.

[CusK77]

So you chose not to win because it's too easy?

[TheZepOfFloyd]

Yeah man its stupid and completely inhuman to want to win, what losers

/sarcasm

[DawnStarWarrior]

I know! My sister used to do that tactic with kirby when u suck them up and bring them down.And especially chain grabs! OMG those are so annoying and cheap!

[StigmataTickles]

it's not like this stuff is easy, they practice these things for years... and anyway you'll probably never encounter WDing and WSing if you never go to tournaments.

[EniesLobby]

I still don't understand why they don't just ban the asshats who abuse inescapable KO methods.

[ZergTheFarm]

Or you could just ban the levels in which the inescapable KO methods work ... Oh wait!

[zeonicgeneral]

Because that would make too much sense.

[furyberserk]

Would have been a 4 stock.

[imassbbfan]

What's with all the elitist hate over here?

Melee was both casual, and pro, so what?

You need not play these pros, so why the rant, it's gone in Brawl, and just because you preffer not to practice as hard as these guys and stick to your own way of Brawling, that's all fine and dandy.

But just keep in mind, these tourney players ARE paying their bills from these matches.

[kuaieq]

haha tournyfags making money off babby games

[xAfterDawnx]

Lmfao. First of all, learn how to spell "baby", you retard. Second of all. the techniques that were used in this video are the opposite of what's used in a "baby" game. You, sir, could practice this game for years straight and not be able to do what Fox did here. /idiot

[Aymblm]

Unless he had natural talent or really fast fingers. I can barely wavedash once or twice and I've had the game for 2 years.

And to anyone good out there who also know what it means, Zelg can probably SHDL 10 or 20 times in a row.

[I3eeeeeeef]

Dude, Zelgadis sucks. Sure he can SHDL 10-20 times in a row. That means virtually nothing. Notice that Zel is losing in every single 'combo' in Shine Blind.

[Aymblm]

My point is, to do that you have to have extremely fast fingers. Sure, Zelg sucks. He'd kick me in the juggernaut about 20 times though.

[Aymblm]

Oh yeah, in Shined Blind the only few he's losing in, he's just down by a life.

[Kukiraz]

its both not that hard

[faddiaddi]

hahahaha 1:00

[JDkidd]

all you who say this is gay and are faggots that dont know how to play the game technical and how its very hard to do this

[pat4747]

thats right. its not like wavedashing and wave shining dont take practice and skill.

[Vinasear]

And tourneyfags say playing with items is spammy.

[SoapSoapCrayon]

Not spammy, unpredictable.

[eggnog1503]

Thank god they got rid of waveshining, wavedashing, and all those other 'techniques' in Brawl.

Now Brawl can be a casual game, like its supposed to be.

[KCxElly]

don't be complaining now, it's not our fault you noobs suck and can't play technically

[zeonicgeneral]

Play technically = abuse glitches, amirite?

[pyromodder]

yes

[EniesLobby]

So instead of banning the jerks who abuse physics for cheap kills, you ban a large group of fun and otherwise pretty decent stages?

[zeonicgeneral]

That's tourneyfag logic right there.

[VGasshole]

Oh wow, what a bullshit tactic using Fox's down-B like that. Talk about cheap.

[Parakirby]

Douchebag players like this make it seriously unfun for all.

[XenoXray]

it doesnt matter to me that much. this game isnt online so i will never play to these kind of people anyway, my buddys dont use this either

[IAmPhotoBucket]

Instead of banning all the stages, they should just ban fox and falco.

[Meneks]

You seriously are gay.

[moomoofarm123]

I genuinely couldn't agree more. If a character is broken through exploits, ban the sploits or ban teh character.

[KCxElly]

then all characters would be banned. NOOB

[Klonny]

That's one of the smartest things I've heard in a long while.

[niggerfrog]

Wow, what a broken glitch

[Sandbag209]

hey guys its just a game lol

[Hojox329]

Fox in Melee is a completely broken character, I hope you're proud of your amazing "skill"

[peniswithpenis]

I have no problem with simple ATs like wavedashing and such, but bullshit like ZOMG WAVESHINING or LOL SHINESMASHING or whatever meaningless term jackass players apply to what the sensible world calls "exploits" are abso-fucking-lutely despicable.

HAY GUYS LETS BAN STAGES INSTEAD OF ASSHAT PLAYERS OLOLOLOLOL

[nucknards]

holy shit thats gay, thank god they fixed it for brawl

[JxSparrow7]

Loved the Super Shine attack.

[OblivionEssence]

I really hope Fox is nerfed in Melee. <_<

[OblivionEssence]

I meant Brawl. <_<

[deadlypudding]

Killer edge fight at 1:05-1:12.

[Chris3Bros]

i wonder how much zelgadis will suck in brawl without his wavedash!!! i think people shuoldn't trust only on a move like wavedash, for example aniki doesn't wavedash but he can (hardly) beat ken!!!

[JFGBD]

We don't only trust on wavedashing, it's not like we can just win by only wavedashing, also, there are many Fox players who barely even shine. Zelgadis wouldn't suck in Brawl just because of wavedash, there are also many other moves to do to win. You know nothing about Melee.

[Chris3Bros]

of course you can win even without using the shine, and also obviously zelgadis won't suck(i intended to say compared to the other pro), but many people think to be pro just because they use wavedash...of course WD is a great move, but SOME people really spam it sometimes...i know that not everyone trust on it, i'm not a noob!!!you misunderstanded me...

[JFGBD]

Zelgadis doesn't rely on wavedash, he just uses it to his advantage.

[KCxElly]

you're an idiot, without wavedashing, he's got nothing more than edge shining, god you're all stupid, ARE YOU HAPPY IT'S DEAD IN BRAWL? l canceling is also close to non-existant. you pussies ramble too much. learn to play or don't.

melee > brawl

[jelaninoel]

thank you!

[JFGBD]

No, I'm not happy it's dead in Brawl. I've played Melee probably more than you.

And that Melee>Brawl thing is just your opinion.

[sageofthewind]

Yes, yes i am happy :)

[machineowar]

Actually yes, I am happy that wavedashing is gone in Brawl.

BRAWL IS NOT MELEE AND SAKURAI DOES NOT CARE ABOUT TOURNEYFAGS. GET OVER IT.

[LordTeisel]

oh fucking noes, now you can't pull off tricks like this video's.

You must be devastated.

[zeonicgeneral]

"hay guyz how do i paly w/o ledge cancle i cant doo it"

Good show Sakurai, you loveable troll.

[BIGC1225]

eddie still won this set btw

[dewelyson]

What a cheapskate, if he couldn't wavedash and play on a cheap level zelgadiz wouldn't win.

[xepikhighx]

uhhh 1:05-1:12 i think zelgadis would win regardless.

[Zerophoenix16]

Of course, if you don't have skill, you wont win.

[I3eeeeeeef]

no johns

[NOSFERATUalu]

um...

its called a JOKE you dumbass -.-

the stage is banned anyway O_O

its a FUNMATCH -.-