@pompei1968 bad idea, if it wasnt for the greeks you wouldnt be half as smart as you are now, well thats probably an insult to them cause you seem like an idiot anyway, you owe the greeks so much for what they have done for modern ways of life
@pompei1968 oh my your actually retarded you know that Greece and turkey are allies today there both willing to put the past behind so then they can move forward as countries as apposed to being enemies anyways just stop being a racist
Ihr giechen,es ist schön das Ihr euch für Makedonien interessiert, keiner hat was dagegen , aber keiner von euch griechen kann vorweisen das er für die Makedonische Nation in seinem leben gekämft hat.
Auch der Alexander der Große hat niemals für die Griechen gekämft , ansonsten würde an alle Makedonischen Münzen nicht der Name Makedonien stehen , sondern ELLADA , HELLAS oder Greek, das ist Fakt.
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS but never 4 Greeks
@Fredemans alexander the great swedish? fuck off you fucking idiot for fucks sake. he was a greek from macedon which was a state in greece just like how athens and sparta were. need more proof? ask anyone with a brain.
@pompei1968 we brought down the ottoman empire in the 19th century when we literally thrashed them in the greek war of independence.
macedonia was an ancient greek city/state which became slavic in 800 AD due to being invaded by barbarians such as yourself. kindly suck your dads dick cause the vikings were barbaric and you are unfortunately for you a descendant of them and i'm a descendant of the people who saved europe from the persians and who invented the western way of life.
@loadedClownZ The charateristic of Xerxe which lead him to be defeated was hubris. Therefore people like Alexander had the chance to invade east, was his empire as big as Persia............ NOP............
@pompei1968 Holocaust is not something to joke about.... Show respect to the died!
@MuslimIam1 well alexander the great conquered with smaller armies, persia had armis of 200 000 men and still failed to conquer all of greece who fought with much much smaller armies, i'd rather bet all my money on an army of greek hoplites than an army of persian immortals, the immortals werent even that elite, they were crap, the persian commanded by mardonias completely failed miserably at the battle of platae, greeks just fuck persian throughout history
@loadedClownZ You talking about Xerxe who brought his huge army with him, whithout thinking tactics.. Historian like Herodotus presents in his writing a childish character ruling a masive empire.. As i said ealier that hubris is what let the Persian down..If you look at Aeschylus play we see Darius being discussed by the behaviour of his son.
I love how people can never pin-point names and leaders in the ancient past... guess they did a good job of destroying the evidence.... OR... it was manufactured/orchestrated/fabricated as such for the stage-play your all fucking in! Ask the MOON!
to the one that said that greece is a pile of shit created from the barbarians who came.Hellas has never been conquered not entirely.we managed to uphold our pride ,language and civilization till now since ancient times.such is the pride of a greek ,even supposed Gods have been forgotten but not us .Alexander was greek,as well as all the legendary heroes that people mention these days.We never bowed to any1and never will.the only thing that u cant take from a greek is his PRIDE for being greek.
" In their mode of cutting the hair, in their COSTUME, and in their LANGUAGE, the EPIROTES resembled the MACEDONIANS, who were an ILLYRIAN race " - - ( STRABO.327 )
@GOLDMINE8 "Some historians of the 19th century supported that Illyrians and Macedonians were similar tribes but now after the development of archaeology and the discoveries in Macedonia,this theory is rejected by the modern historical circlus and only Albanian nationalists still support it!"(Britanica Encyclopedia)!
"Macedonians were Greeks"(Robin Lane,Hammond NGL)!
@MacedoniaHellen " The ALBANIANS are the oldest inhabitants of the Balcan Peninsula - the descendants of the ancient PELASGIANS and ILLYRIANS. Under Scanderbeg they saved Europe by beating back the Turk ". -- NEW OUTLOOK , Volume112 by Alfred Emanuel Smith, 1916
@GOLDMINE8 Those historians of the 19th century and the start of the 20th again!
"In 1854 an Austrian diplomat and albanian language specialist,Johann Georg von Hahn,identified the pelasgian language with up-albanian.This theory is entirely rejected by contemponary archaelogical and historical circkus but retains staunch support among Albanian nationalists."
(The role of myth in the development and history of Albania-Indiana University Press)!
Old people.....LOL!LOL!LOL!COMPLEX!COMPLEX!COMPLEX!
@GOLDMINE8 And about Illyrians,the historians dispute if you are their descendants!It is not sure!This is the statement of the official historical community in all the encyclopedias of the world!Some historians believe that you are descendants but some other not!If you are,then you are only the descendants of the Albanoi's tribe and not of the other Illyrians!
Read the whole history and stop trying to create a glorius identity!
@MacedoniaHellen " ALBANIANS are the descendants of the population who were known as ILLYRIANS ". -- Georigios Aksiotellis,Euangelos Stounos and Georigios Skordos [ GREEK ENCYCLOPEDIA ]
Macedonia was apart of Greece at the time. Just like how Spartans called themselves Spartans, they were still Greek just as how Macedonia was part of Greece THEN. In present times the Macedonians are Macedonians, but in the past Alexander the Great was Greek. Hense the fact he spread out Greek culture. Just because Macedonians now want this fact of history for their country doesn't change anything because he IS Greek.
@Tolisakis97 lol, okay, but it doesn't change history. Sure you can change titles, but if you're greek, you're greek. How's that stupid? Whats funny is you even agreed with me....stupid much? jk =)
@Tolisakis97 Implied in your first comment when you restated agreeingly what i said....lol! Anyways, changing titles doesn't mean anything. Im Greek, but if i start saying im Italien does that mean I am?
@Tolisakis97 I didn't say they never stopped being Greek. Im saying they still are except for the fact that they changed their title and are living in complete ignorance of their past.
@anime0pop ok... i understand what you mean.. but you cant say that... you cant say that the ignore their history.. every maKedonian is proud for his history.. why have they changed their title.. the ancient macedonians said themselves that they are greek.. they saw themselves as we do today... for example.. im makedonian and epirot but i am greek..
Demosthenes, ancient orator born in Athens, killed himself on the island Kalavria, while he was ruining from the Macedonian pursuers. One of the most important opus of Demosthenes is his famous “Philipiki”- speeches against Philip II – the King of Macedonia: Philip is not Helen (Greek), He has nothing Hellenic (Greek), He is barbarian who is coming from a land, for which one you can’t say anything nice, He is Macedon…..
Have you ever heard about the reserching that was made in slovenia from scientis all around the world this summer? They faund out that 30% of the genes in the slavic macedonians are the same as the ancient macedonians and 15% of the genes in the greeks are the same as the ancient macedonias wich proves that this macedonians that live in ''FYROM'' are more similar to the ancient macedonians that the greeks! I DON'T SAID THIS... SCIENCE DID!
Filippos in Greek means the friend of the horse because filos = friend and ippos = horse type on the google translator φίλος (copy and paste) and ίππος , u will c !!! Also alexandros in ancient Greek means the protecter of the man !!
Why Phillipos sent his son to Aristotelis to tutor he? Because there wasn't any Slavian teacher to do it, Slavs appered after Alexander at the area of Macedonia, Macedonie was/were/is a part o Greece and nobody can change it, yours politicals can learn you history based on propaganda for personals targets , but NEVER they will change the History, Greece was the west world, you were just BARBARIANS
@george7gavros Can you tell me who were the Mycenaeans and who were the people that came from Asia and destroyed them?! They lived on greek land but they fought against the people who came to destroy them like that people weren't greeks so this proov THAT BARBARIANS CAME FROM FUCKING ASIA AND KILL ALL THE GREEKS AND BUILD THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND THAT SHIT IS TODAY GREECE!!!!!!!!!!!
you're all suffering so here, I will teach you about Macedonia.
Macedonia was a region in ancient europe where 4 kingdoms united to create a country called....Macedonia.
Now I will teach of Greece.
Greece was founded in 1836. The modern Greeks are NOT related in any way to the ancients of the Mediterranean city-states.
See, they were great thinkers and the first nihilists. Whereas modern Greeks are arrogant racist SOBs that think they can take a piece of macedonia, and keep it. Not possible
@drushtvo lol That is why your country is so fucked up internally because you are all stupid, Greece "Hellas" was the first state formed in Europe as united with its neighbours living in friendship and as one while you guys were eating each other and thinking trees and caves were a better way of living life
«Άνδρες Αθηναίοι… Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην γένος ειμί τω αρχαίον και αντ’ ελευθέρης δεδουλωμένην ουκ αν εθέλοιμι οράν τη Ελλάδα… Ειμί δε Αλέξανδρος ο Μακεδών.»
i have a masters in latin and ancient greek and have studied slavic history in great detail. never mind my travels through out Greece and other parts of the world visiting ancient historic sites
not once have i ever seen a reference or mentioning of alexander being slavic or the slavs even being in the area till about 500 AD
Demosthenes, ancient orator born in Athens, killed himself on the island Kalavria, while he was ruining from the Macedonian pursuers. One of the most important opus of Demosthenes is his famous “Philipiki”- speeches against Philip II – the King of Macedonia: Philip is not Helen (Greek), He has nothing Helenian (Greek), He is barbarian who is coming from a land, for which one you can’t say anything nice, He is Macedon…..
@makedon351 man you keep saying the same thing in every video about alexander the great... stop trolling. demosthenes wanted the leadership of greece for athens thats why he said all these things about filippos. the fact is they spoke greek, they were of greek descent(dorians), they worshiped greek gods, they participated in olympic games that stictly only greeks were allowed to and the reason for his campain was to spread the greek civilization and revenge for invasion of persians to greece..
@makedon351 lol idiot i don't think you know what he means by that. makedonia was a kingdome at the time and was considered barbaric, not hellenic. sparta was a kingdome too but at least they had 5 kings so not a real classic kingdome with one rules over his people. try to know the root of a word when you use it plz ....
Francois Chamoux, French historian: "Such a glorious ancestry was in the eyes of Greeks the hallmark of the Greek persona of the king of Macedon, who could, on the other hand, rely on fidelity of the people from which he had sprung. The Greek cities did not feel that they were allying with a barbarian, since for generations the Macedonian dynasty had been allowed, as Greeks, to take part in the Olympic Games." ("Hellenistic Civilization", Blackwell Publishing Professional, 2002, p.8, 9
"It seems now that Alexander wanted from the Greek states a public and universal recognition of his benefactions, and that he wanted IT AS BEING HIMSELF A GREEK OF THE TEMENID FAMILY"
"We must remember too that Philip and Alexander WERE GREEKS, descended from Heracles;they wished to be recognized by the Greeks as benefactors of the Greeks, even as Heracles had been"
N.G L Hammond [1989] “Alexander The Great” page.257
The problem of the nationality of the Macedonians has been studied a great deal. Otto Hoffman with linguistics as his starting point solved it CORRECTLY AND DECISIVELY WHEN HE ACCEPTED THAT THE MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS
F. Munzer, German linguist, “Die Politische Vernichtung des Griechentums”, Leipzig 1925, p. 4
“As for Alexander’s family, it is FIRMLY ESTABLISHED that he was descended from Heracles through Caranus on his father’s side & from Aeacus through Neoptolemus on his mother’s. The story goes that Philip was initiated into the mysteries at Samothrace along with Olympian. She was an orphan & he was still a very young man; he fell in love with her & on the spur of the moment became betrothed to her after gaining the blessing of her brother Arybbas.”
"How highly should we honour the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greater danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honorable ambition of their kings?"
[The Histories of Polybius, IX, 35, 2 (Loeb, W.R. Paton)]
Again a reference to the Macedonians before Philip so before 5th B.C.
As u see both ancient sources and modern historians prove what i said, i don't wanna convince u about anything but i cannot stand having you trying to force us to believe your opinion which is incorrect. And bottom line, what counts is that the Macedonians undeniably believed that they were Greeks and for sure u dont know better than them.
Are u out fo reality? Same language, same names, same religion, same toponyms, same culture, same traditions and u say that they have no relation? Is there something seriously wrong with u? I can't take any more of this nonsense.
The ancient Macedonians were absorbed by the fourth century bc.
Almost any one can adopt a certain language and get integrate themselves
into another country's culture. The ancient Macedonians appeared in the Greek world after the fifth century bc. What makes so hard for you to deny the evident!?
And what makes so hard for you to understand that that is your opinion only and all sources including the macedonian refers to them as Greeks? I've already explained why they appear after the 5th century B.C. Do u really think that they did not appear before because they were not Greeks? If so then we would not know also about the Paeonians, the Illyrians, the Dardanians and so on. You keep on confusing irrelevant stuff.
"He worshipped Zeus at Dion, dedicated a treasury to Zeus at Olympia, defended Apollo’s shrine at Delphi & placed the heads of Zeus & Apollo on his coins. It is significant that Isocrates asked Philip as a descendant of Heracles to consider all Greece his fatherland.”
H. Bengston “A History of Greece: from the beginnings
The Macedonian kings had much in common with the Mycenaean kings protrayed in the Iliad. They, too, were ‘sprung from Zeus’. For Philip claimed to be a descendant of Heracles, the son of Zeus. He put the head of Heracles on his earliest coins, named the first city-foundation Heraclea, & dedicated a statue of Heracles at the mouth of the Danube.
H. Bengston “A History of Greece: from the beginnings
“Herodotus stated quite clearly that Perdiccas, the first recorded king of Macedonia, and his descendants were Greeks and there is no reason why we should not take the Father of History’s word on this fundamental point.”
page 16.
N.G.L Hammond: The Macedonian State
But i guess u have conducted your own research??????????????????
"There is no doubt that this tradition of a superimposed Greek house was widely believed by the Macedonians.”
Eugene Borza: In The Shadow of Olympus: page 80
"There was a persistent, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles – who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house.”
"There was a PERSISTENT, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles-who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house. "
[E Borza (1990) In The Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon pg. 80.]
"There was a PERSISTENT, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles-who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house. "
[E Borza (1990) In The Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon pg. 80.]
"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
"As for Alexanders family, it is firmly established that he was descended from Heracles through Caranus on his fathers side and from Aeacus through Neoptolemus on his mothers. The story goes that Philip was initiated into the mysteries at Samothrace along with Olympian. She was an orphan and he was still a very young man; he fell in love with her, and on the spur of the moment became betrothed to her after gaining the blessing of her brother Anybbas."
"Argos is the land of your fathers". Isocrates, To Philip, XII, 32 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
"Alexanders ancestry went back to Heracles on his fathers side, while through his mother he was related to the Aeacids."
[Diodorus Siculus 17.1.5]
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". [Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)]
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
And who told you that i wanna convince u about anything? It's you who has been trying to concince me unsuccesfuly about what the ancients were when we have clear testimonies from their side. I will give u the sources u want but where are the sources that back up your opinion and say that it was not true? I suppose nowhere. So who shall we believe? The ancients themselves or you? I think the answer is clear, THE ANCIENTS!
When hundreds of ancient sources speak about the Argive descent of the macedonian kings, to you is mythology?
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
and where are your sources that prove otherwise anyway?
There were many Hercules in antiquity, the most famous is the son of Alkmini, the fact that he was attributed supernatural powers by the people due to his heroic actions does not mean necessarily that he did not exist. Besides, i told you that every myth of Greek mythology hides a truth, the word Mythology in ancient Greek was interpreted as "the hasty relay of a truth" and it was not treated as a fairy tale.
The Argive dynasty is a myth to yoy, exactly that....TO YOU not to me and ceratinly not to the ancients. Of course i can provide evidence about the Macedonians in the Greek world before the 5th century B.C. starting with the participation of Alexander I in the Olympic games. The reason the Macedonians are not so "popular" before 5th century B.C. is beacuse before Philip, Macedonia was un underdeveloped kingdom situated only in the region around Pieria.
When ancients specified exactly the descent of the macedonian kings, to you is mythology?
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
Watch the film A name is a name and lisen what pasko kuzman saying and then tell me if Aleksandar is greek. And on his shilt it's a Macedonian flag not the Greek one.
About homosexuality. In ancient times people were sexually liberated. No one was interested in who had sex with who, and it was not banned ether, because it played no role at all, at that time. The people were open and very ahead, there was much more important topics. In present time we employ a lot more to that because we think we now have all our problems solved and have nothing better to do! ps:homosexuality was and will be in every time, and every place, so dont use it for negativ aspect!
The earlier Byzantine Emperors were Romans but in time people of different ethnic backgrounds ruled this multi-ethnic empire.The empire reached its zenith while it was ruled by the Macedonians.Other dynasties that ruled were the Syrian, Armenian, Phrygian,and other emperors were of various nationalities.Having in mind the ethnic diversity of the empire,the Church clergy, the army,the artists,also came from the many different ethnic origin,and were not exclusively ethnic Greeks.
its funny how u dont have an idea of history or propably learnt it from nationalistic sites in internet. i guess u never touched a book of plato, pausanias, arrian.
Great Alexander's Father Philipos the Great, has been a gold metalist in the Olympic Games. ( Chariot racing ) In the original Olympic Games participate only Hellines.
hey you can't teach history to the mindless.i can tell 1ooo reasons which prove that macedonians were greeks not barbarians!everyone who says something else just doesn't know history...
I don't want to drag this on, but long story short. Hes Greek! End of story...... see it didnt take you that long to figure it out. Im sick of people telling me that hes Macedonian. Hes fucking not macedonian! His ancestry was greek, the names are clearly greek, macedonia back then was a part of greece anyway (before it decided to split from greece).
Alexander the Great was Greek, Macedonian. All you fkn skopjans are dumbasses. Leave our history alone and stop shoving propogandists shit into everyone's mouth. Stick to your dumb empty, useless history.
Alexander the Great was GREEK...his parents had 100% greek names...and their ancestors were greek...so drill that into your thick, mindless, skulls.
There is no nation in the Balkans with Macedonian origin, except Albanians are ancient tezaket of their remote.
Macedonia should be called Volglandia today, because today people who speaks this language is ardhun by Volges region, in Russia, so with that best befits the term = Volglandia not Macedonia!
I'm not Greek nor Macedonian therefore i'm not getting this "war" about Alexander... Everywhere I the world he his known has Alexander The Great,and for the rest of the world Macedonia and Greece is almost the same... For example, the Byzantines called themselves "Romaoi" or Romans but in fact they were Greeks... Se what I mean? After all, Alexander was Greek or Macedonian??
Byzantines were not Greek they were Romans. Byzantine the name itself was named after a Greek settlement by histories but they were not Greek. And spoke Greek,but they were not. Just like some Turkic-Mongols was very middle easternerized,but were not. So lets not claim Roman history.
@jakeGOW360 seriously dude who told you this crap? seriously.... and what happened to the conquered Greeks? ow let me guess... they completed dissappeared in one generation and 5 million romans got off Rome and settled Greece.. that makes sense.
@kostasmpyras Dude its not a Greek empire.Its a Roman one period they called which others Romans.Yes they used the Greek language,but the descendants of the Mongols used Persian and ruled over it does that mean its a Persian empire?No.
alexander the greek this is only the truth if anybody have doubt just search for proof which says that alexader was greek and macedonia was a ancient greek state peoples there were greeks and i dont think that in those times exist the fyrom ethnisity do you guys get it fyrom is a country without ethnisity peolpes there do not know what is the name of there country and they wanna make our state theyr eleos eleos
according to whom? You my friend? That's not what the ancients believed and not only the Greeks. But even if we agree with you just for the hypothesis, the meaning is the same, legend or not it was believed by the ancients and since they say they were Greeks who can say the opposite? I must stress now that it was not a legend, it was factual!
Macedonia remains the same Macedonia(symbolism and history).
Unfortunately, a bunch of nationalist Slavs try to make up a history(for example Macedonian,as it is closer geographically to them) as to gain privileges for E.U. and not only.Facts and conclusions though ,proves the auto-provable.Macedonia is part of Greek civilization.
actually the coment left by the author is very right. alexander was very aware of his awesome lineage, he even considered himself the second achilles n always carried the illiad with him. some legends said he had achilles' armor
Oh the laughable bulgarians who wanna be Macedonians...copying a name doesnt make you Macedonians, we have been Greek since our first appearance as Macedonians,you fools use our history & name to establish your non existing "nation" Get your own MACEDONIA ALWAYS GREEK.
Boy stop waisting my time with piffy comments grow up, read some books and look at the history of it without bias and you will learn the truth ....until then goodbye
im not a boy LMAOO! I find wasting your time is better than wasting your life believing something that doesnt even stands true. Ive read history and if you had too you would accept the Greekness of Macedonia. WHo talked about bias? You need to start searching from the roots of your propaganda. Yugoslavian, stop pretending someone else. History says ancient Macedonians were Greeks but you are way too idiot and coward to accept it. So keep on denying it, its bad only for your image not mine.
THE MACEDONIAN MONARCHY HAD RETEINED NUMERUS ARCHAIC AND HELLENISTIC OMIRIC TRAITS:
THE PRESTIGE OF THE TRIMPHUNT WARIOR
THE SUMBOLIC USE OF DIADEM
THE ROYAL ROBE AND THE SEAL RING
PERSONAL COMAND IN THE WAR
A GROUP OF PRIVILEGED MAN OF ARISTOCRATIC COMPANIONS(HETAIROI,PHILOI) IN BATTLE,AT DINNER,TO GIVE ADVICE AT ROYAL COUNCIL
THE RIGTH TO DISTRIBUTE BOOTY,CAL TO CONTROL LOOTING
THE DUTY OF WHAT HOMER CALLED "THE SHEPHERD OF THE PEOPLE" HANDING OUT GIFTS,AND CHARITABLE PATRONAGE
progonolatreia 1 month ago
stupid greek propaganda!!! put all greeks in a holocaust..and burn them alive
pompei1968 1 month ago
@pompei1968 bad idea, if it wasnt for the greeks you wouldnt be half as smart as you are now, well thats probably an insult to them cause you seem like an idiot anyway, you owe the greeks so much for what they have done for modern ways of life
loadedClownZ 1 month ago
@pompei1968 Stinky catholic pig.
ACHILLES1GREEK 1 month ago
@ACHILLES1GREEK shut up greek arab!!! greeks share the same as turks...being whipped 400 years in ottoman
pompei1968 1 month ago
@pompei1968 oh my your actually retarded you know that Greece and turkey are allies today there both willing to put the past behind so then they can move forward as countries as apposed to being enemies anyways just stop being a racist
ACHILLES1GREEK 1 month ago
@pompei1968 what????where are you from?
able09christina 2 weeks ago
GREEK!!!!!! ,, history can not be rewriten....
deezacharo 2 months ago
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Where are the inscriptions of the Greek state as a unit of evidence from the time of Alexander the Great??
Wherever I look, I can NOT find the words: Ellada, hellas or Greek.
How can Macedonia be Greek if it has not given the Greek state?
At the time of Alexander the Great the State Greek not exist ,that is fakt !!!!!!
STOP steeling the MAKEDONIAN history
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS but never 4 facist GREEKS
Devoj4E 2 months ago
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the greek macedonia is the only macedonia in the world. period! so stop arguing
CrazyDuck1996 2 months ago
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loadedClownZ 2 months ago
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Ihr giechen,es ist schön das Ihr euch für Makedonien interessiert, keiner hat was dagegen , aber keiner von euch griechen kann vorweisen das er für die Makedonische Nation in seinem leben gekämft hat.
Auch der Alexander der Große hat niemals für die Griechen gekämft , ansonsten würde an alle Makedonischen Münzen nicht der Name Makedonien stehen , sondern ELLADA , HELLAS oder Greek, das ist Fakt.
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS but never 4 Greeks
Devoj4E 2 months ago
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GREEK POPE LOGIK
watch?v=evfAyF9nh4U&feature=youtu.be
aytos papas einai i deksi heri tou papandreou i tou diavolou stin
ekslisia den milame gia politiki milame mono gia ton teo agapi kai ola ta orea
enas papas prepi na to lei ayto pou mas to elege o teos
o teos ta vlepi ola kai oli pou kanoun kako tha pane sti kolasi
Makedonia was never Greek
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS but never 4 greeks
Devoj4E 2 months ago
Alexander is Macedonian from Macedon and Conqueror of Greece and Persia ...
Macedon2010 4 months ago
@Macedon2010 Oh come on. Slavic macedonians arrived almost 800 years after. Alexander was a Gree Macedonian.
andrewkilroyable 3 months ago
Alexander the great was swedish and im proud to be from denmark beacause i come from sweden.. please respond??
Fredemans 4 months ago
@Fredemans alexander the great is more swedish than slav... so you are not more stupid than fyromians actually
Mrhamenokormi 4 months ago
@Fredemans alexander the great swedish? fuck off you fucking idiot for fucks sake. he was a greek from macedon which was a state in greece just like how athens and sparta were. need more proof? ask anyone with a brain.
loadedClownZ 2 months ago
@loadedClownZ just like greece was part of ottoman turk..HAHAHA
pompei1968 1 month ago
@pompei1968 we brought down the ottoman empire in the 19th century when we literally thrashed them in the greek war of independence.
macedonia was an ancient greek city/state which became slavic in 800 AD due to being invaded by barbarians such as yourself. kindly suck your dads dick cause the vikings were barbaric and you are unfortunately for you a descendant of them and i'm a descendant of the people who saved europe from the persians and who invented the western way of life.
loadedClownZ 1 month ago
@loadedClownZ The charateristic of Xerxe which lead him to be defeated was hubris. Therefore people like Alexander had the chance to invade east, was his empire as big as Persia............ NOP............
@pompei1968 Holocaust is not something to joke about.... Show respect to the died!
MuslimIam1 1 month ago
@MuslimIam1 alexanders empire was bigger than the persian empire
loadedClownZ 1 month ago
@loadedClownZ Nooo my friend it wasn't.. Plz google the map of these two empires and you will see...
MuslimIam1 1 month ago
@MuslimIam1 well alexander the great conquered with smaller armies, persia had armis of 200 000 men and still failed to conquer all of greece who fought with much much smaller armies, i'd rather bet all my money on an army of greek hoplites than an army of persian immortals, the immortals werent even that elite, they were crap, the persian commanded by mardonias completely failed miserably at the battle of platae, greeks just fuck persian throughout history
loadedClownZ 1 month ago
@loadedClownZ You talking about Xerxe who brought his huge army with him, whithout thinking tactics.. Historian like Herodotus presents in his writing a childish character ruling a masive empire.. As i said ealier that hubris is what let the Persian down..If you look at Aeschylus play we see Darius being discussed by the behaviour of his son.
MuslimIam1 1 month ago
I love how people can never pin-point names and leaders in the ancient past... guess they did a good job of destroying the evidence.... OR... it was manufactured/orchestrated/fabricated as such for the stage-play your all fucking in! Ask the MOON!
greg12145 4 months ago
to the one that said that greece is a pile of shit created from the barbarians who came.Hellas has never been conquered not entirely.we managed to uphold our pride ,language and civilization till now since ancient times.such is the pride of a greek ,even supposed Gods have been forgotten but not us .Alexander was greek,as well as all the legendary heroes that people mention these days.We never bowed to any1and never will.the only thing that u cant take from a greek is his PRIDE for being greek.
vaggelis1991gr 5 months ago
" In their mode of cutting the hair, in their COSTUME, and in their LANGUAGE, the EPIROTES resembled the MACEDONIANS, who were an ILLYRIAN race " - - ( STRABO.327 )
GOLDMINE8 5 months ago
@GOLDMINE8 "And Macedonia of course is a part of Greece."
(Strabo,Vii,Frg 9)
As you see Strabo clearly support that Macedonians were Greeks!
Read the whole history and not isolated texts!
MacedoniaHellen 5 months ago
@MacedoniaHellen " The men who marched to Babylon, Persia and India, were the ancestors of the ALBANIANS ". -- Wadham Peacock
GOLDMINE8 5 months ago
@GOLDMINE8 "Some historians of the 19th century supported that Illyrians and Macedonians were similar tribes but now after the development of archaeology and the discoveries in Macedonia,this theory is rejected by the modern historical circlus and only Albanian nationalists still support it!"(Britanica Encyclopedia)!
"Macedonians were Greeks"(Robin Lane,Hammond NGL)!
MacedoniaHellen 5 months ago
@MacedoniaHellen " The ALBANIANS are the oldest inhabitants of the Balcan Peninsula - the descendants of the ancient PELASGIANS and ILLYRIANS. Under Scanderbeg they saved Europe by beating back the Turk ". -- NEW OUTLOOK , Volume112 by Alfred Emanuel Smith, 1916
GOLDMINE8 5 months ago
@GOLDMINE8 Those historians of the 19th century and the start of the 20th again!
"In 1854 an Austrian diplomat and albanian language specialist,Johann Georg von Hahn,identified the pelasgian language with up-albanian.This theory is entirely rejected by contemponary archaelogical and historical circkus but retains staunch support among Albanian nationalists."
(The role of myth in the development and history of Albania-Indiana University Press)!
Old people.....LOL!LOL!LOL!COMPLEX!COMPLEX!COMPLEX!
MacedoniaHellen 5 months ago
@GOLDMINE8 And about Illyrians,the historians dispute if you are their descendants!It is not sure!This is the statement of the official historical community in all the encyclopedias of the world!Some historians believe that you are descendants but some other not!If you are,then you are only the descendants of the Albanoi's tribe and not of the other Illyrians!
Read the whole history and stop trying to create a glorius identity!
MacedoniaHellen 5 months ago
@MacedoniaHellen " ALBANIANS are the descendants of the population who were known as ILLYRIANS ". -- Georigios Aksiotellis,Euangelos Stounos and Georigios Skordos [ GREEK ENCYCLOPEDIA ]
GOLDMINE8 5 months ago
@GOLDMINE8 As i tell you the historians dispute for your illyrian origin!Some historians support this theory and some not!
"Albanians are not descendants of the Illyrians"
(Fine,JA-The Early medieval Balcans,University of Michigan Press,1991,p.10)
(Madgearu A. Gordon M.-The wars of the Balcan penincula,Rowman and Littlefield,2007,p.146)!
Read and the other side and accept the reality,it is not clear if you are descendants of the Albanoi's tribe!
MacedoniaHellen 5 months ago
HE WAS GREEK. GET OVER IT
TOPOGRAFOS2009 6 months ago
Macedonia was apart of Greece at the time. Just like how Spartans called themselves Spartans, they were still Greek just as how Macedonia was part of Greece THEN. In present times the Macedonians are Macedonians, but in the past Alexander the Great was Greek. Hense the fact he spread out Greek culture. Just because Macedonians now want this fact of history for their country doesn't change anything because he IS Greek.
anime0pop 6 months ago 15
@anime0pop
aha
so
the macedonians WERE greeks but are not greek ANYMORE!!
haha..thats the most stuipd thing i have ever heard dude..sry
Tolisakis97 5 months ago
@Tolisakis97 lol, okay, but it doesn't change history. Sure you can change titles, but if you're greek, you're greek. How's that stupid? Whats funny is you even agreed with me....stupid much? jk =)
anime0pop 5 months ago
@anime0pop who said that i agreed?
xD
are you serious??
the were but are not anymore??
stupid..
Tolisakis97 5 months ago
@Tolisakis97 Implied in your first comment when you restated agreeingly what i said....lol! Anyways, changing titles doesn't mean anything. Im Greek, but if i start saying im Italien does that mean I am?
anime0pop 5 months ago
@anime0pop im greek too..
and its stupid to say that the macedonians WERE greeks but arent now..
its like saying..that i was greek when i was 5 years old and im not now..
its stupid..
Tolisakis97 5 months ago
@Tolisakis97 I didn't say they never stopped being Greek. Im saying they still are except for the fact that they changed their title and are living in complete ignorance of their past.
anime0pop 5 months ago
Tolisakis97 5 months ago
Demosthenes, ancient orator born in Athens, killed himself on the island Kalavria, while he was ruining from the Macedonian pursuers. One of the most important opus of Demosthenes is his famous “Philipiki”- speeches against Philip II – the King of Macedonia: Philip is not Helen (Greek), He has nothing Hellenic (Greek), He is barbarian who is coming from a land, for which one you can’t say anything nice, He is Macedon…..
makedon351 5 months ago
Have you ever heard about the reserching that was made in slovenia from scientis all around the world this summer? They faund out that 30% of the genes in the slavic macedonians are the same as the ancient macedonians and 15% of the genes in the greeks are the same as the ancient macedonias wich proves that this macedonians that live in ''FYROM'' are more similar to the ancient macedonians that the greeks! I DON'T SAID THIS... SCIENCE DID!
icemkd100 7 months ago 2
slavomirhorak.euweb.cz/makedonie_historie.htm
Middle of the IV century AD
Thessaly region was united with Macedonia.
End of IV century AD
Macedonia was divided on two provinces: Macedonia Prima (Salutaris) and Macedonia Secunda.
IV-V century
Robbed by the Huns and Vizigothes.
VI century
Assimilation of the ancient population of Macedonia by the Slavs (Macedonian Slavinii).
dimges 7 months ago
Filippos in Greek means the friend of the horse because filos = friend and ippos = horse type on the google translator φίλος (copy and paste) and ίππος , u will c !!! Also alexandros in ancient Greek means the protecter of the man !!
TheGiorgos07 7 months ago
Why Phillipos sent his son to Aristotelis to tutor he? Because there wasn't any Slavian teacher to do it, Slavs appered after Alexander at the area of Macedonia, Macedonie was/were/is a part o Greece and nobody can change it, yours politicals can learn you history based on propaganda for personals targets , but NEVER they will change the History, Greece was the west world, you were just BARBARIANS
george7gavros 7 months ago
@george7gavros Can you tell me who were the Mycenaeans and who were the people that came from Asia and destroyed them?! They lived on greek land but they fought against the people who came to destroy them like that people weren't greeks so this proov THAT BARBARIANS CAME FROM FUCKING ASIA AND KILL ALL THE GREEKS AND BUILD THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND THAT SHIT IS TODAY GREECE!!!!!!!!!!!
icemkd100 7 months ago
@icemkd100 you are a fucking crazy and victim of propaganda just this...
george7gavros 7 months ago
@icemkd100 u are idiot
assasin1364 6 months ago
hes clearly albanian
BejbiGj 7 months ago
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Real Macedonia?
Animation for MonkeyDonians
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macedonianimation 9 months ago
you're all suffering so here, I will teach you about Macedonia.
Macedonia was a region in ancient europe where 4 kingdoms united to create a country called....Macedonia.
Now I will teach of Greece.
Greece was founded in 1836. The modern Greeks are NOT related in any way to the ancients of the Mediterranean city-states.
See, they were great thinkers and the first nihilists. Whereas modern Greeks are arrogant racist SOBs that think they can take a piece of macedonia, and keep it. Not possible
drushtvo 11 months ago
@drushtvo brainwashed!feel sorry for you.
rodos8 11 months ago
@drushtvo lol That is why your country is so fucked up internally because you are all stupid, Greece "Hellas" was the first state formed in Europe as united with its neighbours living in friendship and as one while you guys were eating each other and thinking trees and caves were a better way of living life
Gr33kElite 10 months ago
«Άνδρες Αθηναίοι… Αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην γένος ειμί τω αρχαίον και αντ’ ελευθέρης δεδουλωμένην ουκ αν εθέλοιμι οράν τη Ελλάδα… Ειμί δε Αλέξανδρος ο Μακεδών.»
Αλέξανδρος Α' ο Μακεδών
TreliFwkiaStoPelagos 11 months ago
macedonia is greek.
alexander the great is greek.
tasas96 1 year ago
@tasas96 both statements are false.
drushtvo 11 months ago
Of course Alexander was Greek, what a stupid question.
The ancient Macedonians (Macedonia is Greece's northern province)
Were ethnically Greek and spoke Greek (Donald Kagan-Yale University)
HaggisMacfee 1 year ago
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Alexandroff76 1 year ago
i have a masters in latin and ancient greek and have studied slavic history in great detail. never mind my travels through out Greece and other parts of the world visiting ancient historic sites
not once have i ever seen a reference or mentioning of alexander being slavic or the slavs even being in the area till about 500 AD
all historical evidence points to him being Greek
DubStepIsKing 1 year ago 50
@DubStepIsKing "He wast slavic so he must be greek?" you don't really have a masters do you?
of course he wasn't slavic, he was a MACEDONIAN king.
drushtvo 11 months ago
Demosthenes, ancient orator born in Athens, killed himself on the island Kalavria, while he was ruining from the Macedonian pursuers. One of the most important opus of Demosthenes is his famous “Philipiki”- speeches against Philip II – the King of Macedonia: Philip is not Helen (Greek), He has nothing Helenian (Greek), He is barbarian who is coming from a land, for which one you can’t say anything nice, He is Macedon…..
makedon351 5 months ago
@makedon351 man you keep saying the same thing in every video about alexander the great... stop trolling. demosthenes wanted the leadership of greece for athens thats why he said all these things about filippos. the fact is they spoke greek, they were of greek descent(dorians), they worshiped greek gods, they participated in olympic games that stictly only greeks were allowed to and the reason for his campain was to spread the greek civilization and revenge for invasion of persians to greece..
Mrhamenokormi 4 months ago
@makedon351 lol idiot i don't think you know what he means by that. makedonia was a kingdome at the time and was considered barbaric, not hellenic. sparta was a kingdome too but at least they had 5 kings so not a real classic kingdome with one rules over his people. try to know the root of a word when you use it plz ....
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teo208 2 months ago
@jkr221
"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know" [Herodotus V, 22, 1 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)]
when the ancients speak they know better but u just dont get it!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
Alexander I claimed his Argive descent and.... so, what happened to the rest of that passage from Herodotus's book, "the Histories"?
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
I will send u the rest of the passage in its original ancient form.....my pleasure:)
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
Francois Chamoux, French historian: "Such a glorious ancestry was in the eyes of Greeks the hallmark of the Greek persona of the king of Macedon, who could, on the other hand, rely on fidelity of the people from which he had sprung. The Greek cities did not feel that they were allying with a barbarian, since for generations the Macedonian dynasty had been allowed, as Greeks, to take part in the Olympic Games." ("Hellenistic Civilization", Blackwell Publishing Professional, 2002, p.8, 9
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jrk221
"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know" [Herodotus V, 22, 1 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)]
Oh i forgot, the ancients did not know who they were and u know better, right?
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jrk221
the fact that u sent me as proof a propagandistic site of Vardarska shows how little u know!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
"It seems now that Alexander wanted from the Greek states a public and universal recognition of his benefactions, and that he wanted IT AS BEING HIMSELF A GREEK OF THE TEMENID FAMILY"
N.G.L Hammond: The Macedonian State: pg 235
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
"We must remember too that Philip and Alexander WERE GREEKS, descended from Heracles;they wished to be recognized by the Greeks as benefactors of the Greeks, even as Heracles had been"
N.G L Hammond [1989] “Alexander The Great” page.257
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
The problem of the nationality of the Macedonians has been studied a great deal. Otto Hoffman with linguistics as his starting point solved it CORRECTLY AND DECISIVELY WHEN HE ACCEPTED THAT THE MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS
F. Munzer, German linguist, “Die Politische Vernichtung des Griechentums”, Leipzig 1925, p. 4
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
“As for Alexander’s family, it is FIRMLY ESTABLISHED that he was descended from Heracles through Caranus on his father’s side & from Aeacus through Neoptolemus on his mother’s. The story goes that Philip was initiated into the mysteries at Samothrace along with Olympian. She was an orphan & he was still a very young man; he fell in love with her & on the spur of the moment became betrothed to her after gaining the blessing of her brother Arybbas.”
[Plutarch, Alexander 2.1-2]
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
"How highly should we honour the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greater danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honorable ambition of their kings?"
[The Histories of Polybius, IX, 35, 2 (Loeb, W.R. Paton)]
Again a reference to the Macedonians before Philip so before 5th B.C.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
As u see both ancient sources and modern historians prove what i said, i don't wanna convince u about anything but i cannot stand having you trying to force us to believe your opinion which is incorrect. And bottom line, what counts is that the Macedonians undeniably believed that they were Greeks and for sure u dont know better than them.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
And so didn't any of the ancient Greeks themselves, right?
You appearantly dont realize or fail to comprehend that there
no NO connections between the ancient Macedonians & GREEKS!
"How hard is it for you to understand this"!
Look you want proof, fine.
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
Are u out fo reality? Same language, same names, same religion, same toponyms, same culture, same traditions and u say that they have no relation? Is there something seriously wrong with u? I can't take any more of this nonsense.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
The ancient Macedonians were absorbed by the fourth century bc.
Almost any one can adopt a certain language and get integrate themselves
into another country's culture. The ancient Macedonians appeared in the Greek world after the fifth century bc. What makes so hard for you to deny the evident!?
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
And what makes so hard for you to understand that that is your opinion only and all sources including the macedonian refers to them as Greeks? I've already explained why they appear after the 5th century B.C. Do u really think that they did not appear before because they were not Greeks? If so then we would not know also about the Paeonians, the Illyrians, the Dardanians and so on. You keep on confusing irrelevant stuff.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
The Macedonian people and their kings were of Greek stock, as their traditions and the scanty remains of their language combine to testify.” `
John Bagnell Bury, “A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great”, 2nd ed.(1913)
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
"He worshipped Zeus at Dion, dedicated a treasury to Zeus at Olympia, defended Apollo’s shrine at Delphi & placed the heads of Zeus & Apollo on his coins. It is significant that Isocrates asked Philip as a descendant of Heracles to consider all Greece his fatherland.”
H. Bengston “A History of Greece: from the beginnings
to the Byzantine era., page 199
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
The Macedonian kings had much in common with the Mycenaean kings protrayed in the Iliad. They, too, were ‘sprung from Zeus’. For Philip claimed to be a descendant of Heracles, the son of Zeus. He put the head of Heracles on his earliest coins, named the first city-foundation Heraclea, & dedicated a statue of Heracles at the mouth of the Danube.
H. Bengston “A History of Greece: from the beginnings
to the Byzantine era., p 199
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
“Herodotus stated quite clearly that Perdiccas, the first recorded king of Macedonia, and his descendants were Greeks and there is no reason why we should not take the Father of History’s word on this fundamental point.”
page 16.
N.G.L Hammond: The Macedonian State
But i guess u have conducted your own research??????????????????
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
"There is no doubt that this tradition of a superimposed Greek house was widely believed by the Macedonians.”
Eugene Borza: In The Shadow of Olympus: page 80
"There was a persistent, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles – who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house.”
Eugene Borza: In The Shadow of Olympus:, page 80
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
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@jkr221
"There was a PERSISTENT, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles-who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house. "
[E Borza (1990) In The Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon pg. 80.]
WELL ATTESTED MEANS A MYTH TO YOU?
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
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@jkr221
"There was a PERSISTENT, WELL ATTESTED tradition in antiquity that told of a group of Greeks from Argos-descendants of Temenus, kinsman of Heracles-who came to Macedonia and established their rule over the Makedones, unifying them and providing a royal house. "
[E Borza (1990) In The Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon pg. 80.]
WELL ATTESTED MEANS A MYTH TO YOU?
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
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SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
Velleius Paterculus, Book I
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
"As for Alexanders family, it is firmly established that he was descended from Heracles through Caranus on his fathers side and from Aeacus through Neoptolemus on his mothers. The story goes that Philip was initiated into the mysteries at Samothrace along with Olympian. She was an orphan and he was still a very young man; he fell in love with her, and on the spur of the moment became betrothed to her after gaining the blessing of her brother Anybbas."
[Plutarch, Alexander 2.1-2]
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
"Argos is the land of your fathers". Isocrates, To Philip, XII, 32 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
"Alexanders ancestry went back to Heracles on his fathers side, while through his mother he was related to the Aeacids."
[Diodorus Siculus 17.1.5]
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". [Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)]
BEFORE 5th century B.C.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
So here we go:
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race". Isocrates, To Philip, 127 (Loeb, G. Norlin)
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
And who told you that i wanna convince u about anything? It's you who has been trying to concince me unsuccesfuly about what the ancients were when we have clear testimonies from their side. I will give u the sources u want but where are the sources that back up your opinion and say that it was not true? I suppose nowhere. So who shall we believe? The ancients themselves or you? I think the answer is clear, THE ANCIENTS!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@jkr221
When hundreds of ancient sources speak about the Argive descent of the macedonian kings, to you is mythology?
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
and where are your sources that prove otherwise anyway?
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
'the Heracleidae', is a myth that tells about the numerous descendants
of Hercules. So you're convince me to believe a myth by saying Hercules existed?
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
There were many Hercules in antiquity, the most famous is the son of Alkmini, the fact that he was attributed supernatural powers by the people due to his heroic actions does not mean necessarily that he did not exist. Besides, i told you that every myth of Greek mythology hides a truth, the word Mythology in ancient Greek was interpreted as "the hasty relay of a truth" and it was not treated as a fairy tale.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
"When hundreds of ancient sources speak about the Argive descent of the macedonian kings, to you is mythology"? YES, not real in fact!
Can you list the hundred sources for me if you will then?
Or better yet can you provide me with historical evidence of AMacedonian presence in Greek in the Greek world before the 5th century bc???
...Absolutely nothing you say can change my mind about the ancient amacedonians at all!!!!!
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
The Argive dynasty is a myth to yoy, exactly that....TO YOU not to me and ceratinly not to the ancients. Of course i can provide evidence about the Macedonians in the Greek world before the 5th century B.C. starting with the participation of Alexander I in the Olympic games. The reason the Macedonians are not so "popular" before 5th century B.C. is beacuse before Philip, Macedonia was un underdeveloped kingdom situated only in the region around Pieria.
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
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When ancients specified exactly the descent of the macedonian kings, to you is mythology?
"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos" Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
and where are your facts anyway?
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
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SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
Velleius Paterculus, Book I
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
Watch the film A name is a name and lisen what pasko kuzman saying and then tell me if Aleksandar is greek. And on his shilt it's a Macedonian flag not the Greek one.
075503753 1 year ago
About homosexuality. In ancient times people were sexually liberated. No one was interested in who had sex with who, and it was not banned ether, because it played no role at all, at that time. The people were open and very ahead, there was much more important topics. In present time we employ a lot more to that because we think we now have all our problems solved and have nothing better to do! ps:homosexuality was and will be in every time, and every place, so dont use it for negativ aspect!
Arouraiouli 1 year ago
who cares about alexander...he killed so many people without reason...! i hate that guy...and i am greek
IiIRoZDvDIiI 1 year ago
Hey Fyro[S] (S=Shit) people just go to Wikipedia And tip ALEXANDER THE GREAT and search. If you can't believe what you see is not our problem.
Alexander was Greek .His name means Defender of Men in ancient greek language.
His father was Philip.His Name means Friend of Horse in ancient greek language.
One Of his teachers was Isocrates (if you don't know him better kill yourself)
Alexander III of Macedon popularly known as Alexander the Great (Greek:Μέγας Ἀλέξανδρος)was a Greek king of Macedon.
koskinaras 1 year ago
Roman empire and thats all its going to be..
jakeGOW360 1 year ago
The earlier Byzantine Emperors were Romans but in time people of different ethnic backgrounds ruled this multi-ethnic empire.The empire reached its zenith while it was ruled by the Macedonians.Other dynasties that ruled were the Syrian, Armenian, Phrygian,and other emperors were of various nationalities.Having in mind the ethnic diversity of the empire,the Church clergy, the army,the artists,also came from the many different ethnic origin,and were not exclusively ethnic Greeks.
jakeGOW360 1 year ago
yes he was greek
TheGreekpower94 1 year ago
its funny how people call alexander the great greek when he's actually macedonian........
adeaze111 1 year ago
@adeaze111 why you are called ass when you are clearly a retard then?
kostasmpyras 1 year ago
its funny how u dont have an idea of history or propably learnt it from nationalistic sites in internet. i guess u never touched a book of plato, pausanias, arrian.
dimalex8 1 year ago
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PROMITHEASMUSIC 1 year ago
Great Alexander's Father Philipos the Great, has been a gold metalist in the Olympic Games. ( Chariot racing ) In the original Olympic Games participate only Hellines.
bye bye :)
UltraZG52 1 year ago
hey you can't teach history to the mindless.i can tell 1ooo reasons which prove that macedonians were greeks not barbarians!everyone who says something else just doesn't know history...
extrememark13 1 year ago
I don't want to drag this on, but long story short. Hes Greek! End of story...... see it didnt take you that long to figure it out. Im sick of people telling me that hes Macedonian. Hes fucking not macedonian! His ancestry was greek, the names are clearly greek, macedonia back then was a part of greece anyway (before it decided to split from greece).
lindtcrazy 2 years ago
Alexander the Great was Greek, Macedonian. All you fkn skopjans are dumbasses. Leave our history alone and stop shoving propogandists shit into everyone's mouth. Stick to your dumb empty, useless history.
Alexander the Great was GREEK...his parents had 100% greek names...and their ancestors were greek...so drill that into your thick, mindless, skulls.
GEORGIAGREEK4LYF1 2 years ago
United Macedonia!!!!!!!!!!
thegreataleksandar 2 years ago
There is no nation in the Balkans with Macedonian origin, except Albanians are ancient tezaket of their remote.
Macedonia should be called Volglandia today, because today people who speaks this language is ardhun by Volges region, in Russia, so with that best befits the term = Volglandia not Macedonia!
kreksi5 2 years ago
@kreksi5 wahat are u talking about idiot uneducated bastard learn history and then open ur fucking mouth to speak!!!
MAKEDONIAISGREEK11 2 years ago
I'm not Greek nor Macedonian therefore i'm not getting this "war" about Alexander... Everywhere I the world he his known has Alexander The Great,and for the rest of the world Macedonia and Greece is almost the same... For example, the Byzantines called themselves "Romaoi" or Romans but in fact they were Greeks... Se what I mean? After all, Alexander was Greek or Macedonian??
Kindjal83 2 years ago
Byzantines were not Greek they were Romans. Byzantine the name itself was named after a Greek settlement by histories but they were not Greek. And spoke Greek,but they were not. Just like some Turkic-Mongols was very middle easternerized,but were not. So lets not claim Roman history.
jakeGOW360 2 years ago
@jakeGOW360 haha actually byzantines were greek-romans.if you had read byzantine inscriptions you would know that...
extrememark13 1 year ago
@jakeGOW360 seriously dude who told you this crap? seriously.... and what happened to the conquered Greeks? ow let me guess... they completed dissappeared in one generation and 5 million romans got off Rome and settled Greece.. that makes sense.
use your brain retard.
kostasmpyras 1 year ago
@kostasmpyras Dude its not a Greek empire.Its a Roman one period they called which others Romans.Yes they used the Greek language,but the descendants of the Mongols used Persian and ruled over it does that mean its a Persian empire?No.
jakeGOW360 1 year ago
" emperor of hellenoroman empire" the title that the franks and Pope along with all western europe used for byzantine emperor in letters
dimalex8 1 year ago
Macedonian...
Macedon2010 2 years ago
Επιστροφή τι δεν είναι τσιγγάνοι σας
694755 2 years ago
Ale si ander Born as a Dream have one Origine Illyrian becouse E mathia=Macedon was Illyrian
albo4ever777 2 years ago
alexander the greek this is only the truth if anybody have doubt just search for proof which says that alexader was greek and macedonia was a ancient greek state peoples there were greeks and i dont think that in those times exist the fyrom ethnisity do you guys get it fyrom is a country without ethnisity peolpes there do not know what is the name of there country and they wanna make our state theyr eleos eleos
farael19 2 years ago 2
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KazakhTurk 2 years ago
Macedonia was an ancient Greek kingdom, the descent of its royla house was from the city of Argos in southern Greece thus it was also called Argead.
FYROM is a slavic country that tries to steal the Greek history of Maceeonia, they are mere clowns.
SPARTANsenator2 2 years ago 51
@SPARTANsenator2
The whole 'Argive Dynasty' is clearly a legend.
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
according to whom? You my friend? That's not what the ancients believed and not only the Greeks. But even if we agree with you just for the hypothesis, the meaning is the same, legend or not it was believed by the ancients and since they say they were Greeks who can say the opposite? I must stress now that it was not a legend, it was factual!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
Yeah sure well then lets breath life into the legend itself then!
But in reality its not a fact but a myth or legend and u know it!
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
Sure buddy whatever u say, it's a legend cause u say so. When many ancient historians give a precise genealogy is that a myth too? Get real buddy!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
What Geneology? ...Do you know what Greek mythology IS?
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
Excuse me? Trust me, i know very well what Greek mythology is, it's you that i doubt!
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
@SPARTANsenator2
Why is it so hard for you to realize that Greek mythology isnt real???
jkr221 1 year ago
@jkr221
Why is it so hard for you to understand that mythology is not science fiction but it carries an amount of truth?
SPARTANsenator2 1 year ago
yes
flasheras1 2 years ago
existing republic of Macedonia isn't streight descent of Greeks right? Macedonia was different from todays Macedonia.. right?
zagtaga 2 years ago
@zagtaga
Macedonia remains the same Macedonia(symbolism and history).
Unfortunately, a bunch of nationalist Slavs try to make up a history(for example Macedonian,as it is closer geographically to them) as to gain privileges for E.U. and not only.Facts and conclusions though ,proves the auto-provable.Macedonia is part of Greek civilization.
f00fighter1956 2 years ago
actually the coment left by the author is very right. alexander was very aware of his awesome lineage, he even considered himself the second achilles n always carried the illiad with him. some legends said he had achilles' armor
535manbearpig 2 years ago
wait so if alexander's mom lineage comes from neptolemus then that means he is a descendant fo achilles from the illiad who was neptolemus' father
535manbearpig 2 years ago
******* FYROM's LIES EXPOSED, FYROM's GLOBAL HUMILIATION CONTINUES!!! *******
COPY AND GOOGLE THIS:
"Letter to President Barack Obama" Macedonia-evidence international scholars
And enjoy 335 (!!!) SCHOLARS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD saying the TRUTH:
FAKE MACEDONIA = FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA (FYROM)
REAL MACEDONIA, therefore GREECE!!
REAL MACEDONIAN, therefore GREEK!!
Macedonia1913 2 years ago
Oh the laughable bulgarians who wanna be Macedonians...copying a name doesnt make you Macedonians, we have been Greek since our first appearance as Macedonians,you fools use our history & name to establish your non existing "nation" Get your own MACEDONIA ALWAYS GREEK.
CrusaderIXGR3 2 years ago
Alexander the Great is the greater Greek all the time!!The 13th Greek Olympian God of glory and victory!!He is the proud of Greece!!
alevas29 2 years ago
wow kosta
goflamesgo96 2 years ago
No he was not Greek but Macedonian !
Chovek1 2 years ago
we want proof. and facts.if u say so prove it. its like a muslim seeing jesus and saying "no u dont exist"
dimalex8 2 years ago
Macedonians are Greeks from the Macedonian region you dumbass
byJessCh 2 years ago 2
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Macedonians are not Greeks dumbass
Chovek1 2 years ago
Macedonians are Greek you filthy fuck
byJessCh 2 years ago 21
What the fuck do u know you are only 18, you're way out of your league little one
Chovek1 2 years ago
brain counts not age. if you were smart enough you would know it.
byJessCh 2 years ago 2
and boy do u need to grow one with your way of thinking
Chovek1 2 years ago
i dont need to regrow my brain but you should consider it about yours.
byJessCh 2 years ago 2
Boy stop waisting my time with piffy comments grow up, read some books and look at the history of it without bias and you will learn the truth ....until then goodbye
Chovek1 2 years ago
im not a boy LMAOO! I find wasting your time is better than wasting your life believing something that doesnt even stands true. Ive read history and if you had too you would accept the Greekness of Macedonia. WHo talked about bias? You need to start searching from the roots of your propaganda. Yugoslavian, stop pretending someone else. History says ancient Macedonians were Greeks but you are way too idiot and coward to accept it. So keep on denying it, its bad only for your image not mine.
byJessCh 2 years ago