Firefighters Escape From Burnover

[laughing1wolf]

holy crap... that's scary!

[dcccapfan]

To the helitack crew you boys do a fine job!!! I am one of the guys on the ground and it's nice to have y'all up there helping us out!!!

[jebthegreat1]

good luck to all my brothers across the country, be safe this year and give it hell.

Maybe see you all at a good burner some time this year. Stay safe, good luck,

from Oregon Helitack crew 4

[MrDragon351]

Lol lousiana fire? thats nuts.

But LOL at US Forest Circus.

[SpongerOfTheTweak]

This is crazy, im a FF in training and school right now, and that was a very close call. glad everyone had escape routes and safety zones!

what type of winds was this? sana ana or foehn winds? cause it looked like it just exploded on the crew.

[GUMMYBEAYUH]

That has to be one of the most terrifying situations to find yourself in, PERIOD. At least with most fires you can back out and re-attack it, but wildfires completely surround you. I was in Yosemite back in the 80's right before that huge fire erupted from a lightning strike, and I'm glad I wasn't still around to see it. Bravo Zulu to you folks.

[MickeyFearn]

when the fire fighters are going up the hill why don't they have a tool with them? and why isn't the water on already? not that it would have helped with how fast that was going. maybe you guys have different regulations then Idaho...

[smoothskiing2000]

when the going gets tough USFS calls in montana aerial rescue ~~

[zhengguoguangxi]

哇火真大

[zhengguoguangxi]

怎么了管子漏水了？



[SAFirey1]

I'm a firefighter from South Australia. We get a lot of scrub fires or wildfires during our summers in conditions with 90km/h winds and 48 degree C. Controlling a fire in these conditions is very difficult, however we use a mixture of air and ground attack and most of our trucks are designed with 4 wheel drive and stand alone pumps therefore we can fight the fire from on a platform behind the cab of the truck or on the ground. Most of our rural appliances also have two 30 to 60 metre hose reels.

[hotshot1987]

@SAFirey1 Your right when it come to fighting a running fire like that it is difficult to control. Perimeter control and use of aircraft is the same strategy with a running fire in CA. USA. We also have hand crews from the State and Federal agencies, that work the flanks of the fire. Hose reels are only used in the mop up stages of the fire. Hose lays are used with a 1"1/2 line for fire attack. We can use pump and roll strategy as well. Did not look possible in that terrian.

[MrBlimpology]

In Australia , there was a wildfire spreading 65 mph.

[aaronkundla]

I'm not familiar with wildland firefighting. How do you go about containing something like that?

[chevyhavok]

@aaronkundla u try to get a conatinment line around the fire...cut off the fire from spreading to more fuel in all directions. It is a pain in the ass along with being very tricky thing to fight, thats why sometimes it takes weeks or months to contain and extinguish them.

[geldhundt]

@aaronkundla When it's burning like that, it will jump almost any line you put around it.  About all you can do is try to catch it when it hits a natural fire break (wide highway, lake, river, plowed field, etc.) or jump on it when it moves into lighter fuels.

[garf1eld029]

Question.

What's up with the USFS unit at :08.

Are these fire fighters based in every state, or is their some main location they come from. Because I notice on some wild fire their aren't any USFS units (the green ones), but on major ones there are.

So I was wondering if you find them in every state, or they deploy to states affected.

Thanks.

[caspernews]

The fire was unified command between USFS and San Bernardino Co Fire and CalFire. The fire was actually on the forest at this point. Some of the engines you see are on strike teams called from out of the area. When the fire up top burns over, the BC was from San Bernardino County Fire. Somebody else can probably explain better than I. Guys?

[chevyhavok]

@garf1eld029 maybe i can help you out...In the words of a Deputy Chief with USFS, "USFS essentially the United States fire Department". So basically they are in every state. Im not to positive if they are in all 50, prolly not hawaii, but they are all over the US. And if need be like u said, they can be assigned to go out of state. For example, A guy i no worked for the Forest service and he told me they went all over the state. So hopefully that clears some things up for you.

[munch11111]

@chevyhavok As far as i know , we dont have USFS here in hawaii. We do have NPS though but ive never seen them do any firefighting, only seen em on the news when they go to the mainland to help out there. Most of the federal land we have in hawaii is owned by the military, so military Fed Fire handles that and sometimes helps out city and county

[chhixon]

@garf1eld029 I actually work on one of the green engines that you saw in this video (E-34 on one of the helmets). The USFS is a nationwide wildland firefighting agency, they fight fire on national forest service land, but if needed will assist local state and city agencies if needed. You don't see them often because our agency is very bad at putting themselves and their mission on the news, so we are often overlooked and even sometimes mistaken as inmate crews... lol

[wavebarron]

@garf1eld029 Every National Forest has some type of wildfire crew..engine, handcrew, helitack, smokejumpers and they can travel everywhere in the nation. Even puerto rico has handcrews not sure about hawaii but wouldn't doubt it. When shit hits the fan in one area crews from other forests in (sometimes from other states) will drive down and work up to 21 days on it. hope that helps.

[garf1eld029]

@wavebarron

I already know what I need to know. I'm a fire fighter as it is, but we don't experience any major fires in Tennessee. I've already applied, and I've been accepted as a USFS fire fighter. More specifically a smoke jumper to be exact. I'll start training in the early spring I assume before the fire season begins In California. My wife thinks I'm crazy but I remember the 2007 "Fire Storm" in Cal and I dunno fire makes me get a hard on I just love being in that kind of environment.

[wavebarron]

@garf1eld029

sick...i was with the feds on a handcrew in WA for a few seasons. but thats awesome u got on as a smokejumper. GET SUM! haha

[cuyamacatmu1]

@garf1eld029 Hi, the USFS units are only stationed in and around National Forests, and the locales where their Admin and HQ units are located. So if a fire is near a NF (much of the west is) you will see them. In a major incident assets will be coming from a wider area like a region and you are more likely to see them. Just look at a Map of the National Forests and you will get some idea of how many areas might have a USFS presence.

[blinko656]

@garf1eld029 In California a few years back during a terrible fire season we had Firefighters from all 48 out of 50 states. My son worked with a Eng crew from Miami of all places. Weird.. but true..  We had catering companies to feed the Firefighters from Texas..

[3034893118]

Their was one department i was helping and the wild land fire fighteres were out of the county and district for months maybe 3 months at the most for a wildfire in Ohio then they were called to the wildfire in Calfiornia i believe as well i think the montana fire so they all had a rough season and they were happy to be home to see their friends and family members.

[halodan08]

was this the LOUISIANA FIRE??

[caspernews]

Yes I think it was Lousiana

[BenC63]

Your such a smartass...LMAO!!

[BenC63]

San Bernardino County..Louisiana??????

[blaster40]

Give me a structure fire any day ! I have fought field fires and they are a pain in the ass. I can't imagine wild land fires !

[russiaNumber2]

Wild Land fires are not that bad, I am a hotshot with the Del Rosa Hot Shots in CA and I was at this fire, it was just a lack of comms, and a poor decision as to the location of that hose lay.

[RagingKnight]

That' ain't a close call...that's like staring at the gates of hell!

[Bobus2003]

Wildland Fires are way Better than Structure fires... At least in my opinion.. Been on a Dept 8 years and Avoid Structure calls if possible and look forward to Wildfires enough that I built my Own Fire Engines and run then on a Federal Contract

[BloodWryght666]

Sooo do you think they have the a/c on in the trucks?

[blinko656]

gtfo

[bnortlax37]

great vidios one of my FAVORITS im am curintly looking for a job as a wildland firefighter if any one could give me a good website that would be GREAT

[bigmlt3]

You know its time to leave when you see the fire department throwing half charged hose onto the top of the trucks so they can get the hell out lol

[uuuultra]

So what exactly IS a burnover?

[dean11081988]

a burn over is when the fire jumps a road or a river or any thing in the way it cant realy burn the road or river the flames are so big they reach the other side and start to burn that side just as fearce iv never seen one in real life but lots of films and vidios but thats whot i belive it to be hope that helps

[garf1eld029]

As a fire fighter you'd think urban fire fighters are tough, and what they do is hard. Now, don't get me wrong, putting on your PPE + Scuba + Hose Lines, and other equipment is tough. But this .. this is FAR harder. Its pure endurance, no adrenaline here.

[bunde04]

sorry buddy... but i have done both and structure FF is by far alot harder.. alot more endurance and you need alot more balls..

[garf1eld029]

I doubt you have.

I've been in the KFD (Knoxville FD) for 2 years, and I must say structure fires are not as hard as wild fires. I've been to a few in Cali (had a smoke jumper friend there).

Fires like this move rapidly, their not predictable, and show no normal characteristics. You really don't know whats going to happen, and if something does happen you get trapped fast.

In structures it happens, and someone can come save you. Here your toast, PERIOD.

[HurfinDurfin]

So I'm going "out west" next January. Either with the Bureau of Land Management, or Fire Stop. Do you know anything about these agencies and know if they're good companies to work for.

[Firebrother343]

You can't really compare wildland fires to structure fires, They are 2 completely different beasts. Wildland takes more endurance and the move fast, structure fires have a lot of diff variables to consider. Building type, age, possible renovations, what is burning, etc. Both fires are extremely dangerous. I don't really think one is harder than the other. If you say wildland is harder than structure, come to chicago and take a look at some of the old buildings here.

[LRGSteezin]

i agree with firebrother.. you really cant compare the two. one is in a more controlled enviroment then compared to one in tthe open with the possibilities of wind, RH, terrain, etc

[chsxtian]

most buildings are wood and concrete... Inside the buildings isn't very much wind that makes the flames go faster. Trees and bushes are much more flammable because of the spreading of the branches. I think wildland fires are much more dangerous.

[legitimaterolla]

but it depends i work as a wildland firefighter for the feds and sometimes we spend 2 weeks on one fire at a time. We sleep on the ground with no tents and work any shift assigned. This last 2009 season i recall working a 38 hour shift with very few breaks.

[KellyM3660]

Amazing video; thanks for sharing!

[station079]

I love the way all you Monday Morning quarterbacks know everything that happened on this fire. I wasn't there and wouldn't hazard a guess as to what actually happened. Especially when you are looking at edited video snippets. Even though you plan for the unexpected, sometimes you are thrown into a situation no one could have foreseen. I'm sure all of you guys have never had anything turn to crap on you when you're at a call.

[madhatte73]

Why the HELL were the first two tender crews parked pointing IN instead of OUT?

[harwetopa]

I'm simply amazed that a news crew was permitted to go so far into the Red Zone with an attack crew!

[BlindIo42]

I'm no firefighter, but I'm glad they were. We hear on the news about the fires but always from the air or a safe distance. I don't think anyone who isn't a firefighter has any idea what it's like fighting these wildfires - I know I don't. I'm sure this is just a taste of what firefighters face when the Santa Ana winds whip up and I'm glad it was filmed and posted on YouTube. Thank you guys for protecting us and charging into harm's way.

[1nm1]

Only thing that MIGHT be safer would be a helmet cam, but that wouldn't get the big picture as well.

[Callumnsc33]

the new crew might be attached to the fire fighters

[harwetopa]

Good point.

[FireRed808]

Way to close for comfort.

[bobodabest]

hay im a new zealand rural firefighter and you guys did great.cheers for the great vid.

[jlkjenstad]

damm squirrily santa annas

[wildlandfirewolf]

there lucky they had there trucks so close

[FindlaySucks]

Nice to see these guys not doing anything that places them in danger.

[mjmorpheus]

uhhhh that gear dosnt look to promising hahahaha

[Dobey7590]

its called wildland gear, its made to be lightweight and built for the conditions they face... structural gear is what you see the FDNY wearing...

[upsguy03]

"There will be no cowards in this outfit!! You will dig in and fight to the end!! If you feel the need to turn and run, then your yellow. Yellow cowards should be killed off like rats."

-George Patton.

[upsguy03]

LOL!

Great video! These firefighters are awesome!!  Not sure I would want to deal with wildfires.

[carrabba1212]

This is really cool, I am just in my second day the the firefighter training. In a week I will be certified to go out and fight fires! I am really excited!!!

[harwetopa]

Good luck; keep your excitement for as long as you can; and be careful!

[bryjhag]

those santa annas can be a real pain in the ass...good luck killin a fire quickly when they come through

[solitudefromwithin]

bushfires like this are scary, i know im a rural in an australian briagde. what happened in this video was what we call the deadman zone, the wind changed direction on the flank of the fire to which they were heading, they were lucky to get out. Triplereiki, as a rural i get questions like this all the time, as long as there is no shubbery or leaves in your gutters etc, staying inside your house is best, if the area around your house is clean it means its defendable. metal gets hot odnt use it

[MakronGI]

looks like hell

[USWFA]

I was on a large fire back in the early 80's in Wisconsin and Minnesota...they don't get alot of fires because the weather make up is alot different than out west...I have been on more fires out west than in my own region in 33 years.

The longer you are in this business, the more places you will go to fight fire!..including other countries...Out west definately has the bigger fires..alot dryer!!..Be safe and fight nice!!!

[triplereiki]

First of all, Bless You firefighters.

I live in hills, alot oak trees. Would like wildfire survival tip if no other way out. On my prop large area w/out trees, low dry grass. There, is 2' deep area (never completed digging for pond). Any chance for survival if we lay in ground depression & use sheet metal as protect covering? Any tips appreciated. Scary waking up at night & possibly discovering a large fire out of control, high winds, and no where to go. Thank you in advance, and bless you.

[rodactive]

Best thing you can do if you are stuck in a wild fire and have no way out is to ride it out in your house. Sounds crazy right? But that is what we do as firefighters if we are protecting a house and have no where else to go, we seek shelter in the house. The brush outside will burn alot faster than the structure will so all you have to do is wait for the flame front to pass, then come out of the house. Hope this helps.

[rodactive]

I almost shit myself when I found this on youtube! This was my rookie year (2002)of being a fireman and I was on the rig that was the first to get the hell outta dodge there at the end (SBCO BE16). We were supposed to lay hose down hill and tie into the Cleveland FS rigs. Good thing we didn't go down that hill! Don't see that kinda stuff much more being the medic on a medic engine. Oh, the good old days!

[dynox99]

Cut the hose and leave it, thats SOP in regions 2,4,5,6 they never should have been in this situation, someone at the IC level needs to have their shit re-evaluated

[flintoh7]

this is nuts, and this is what i want to do. As soon as I get a job offer im going to CA and doing this stuff.

[OneSkiWonder]

You are much more likely to be up close and personal with fire if you are burning in say Wisconsin. Out West you get a lot more digging lines all day and never seeing the fire.

[NewbernFireDept]

Yeah, expecially if your a type 2 crew.

[OneSkiWonder]

Just did a perscribed fire today in the middle of Wisconsin, I'm sunburned from the fire because we were so closes. :D HOORAA I LOVE FIRE!

[NewbernFireDept]

hahaha amen brother

[OneSkiWonder]

I've got Raccoon eyes from where my goggles were at. lol :D

[NewbernFireDept]

lol wow, that sucks lol, the only cool thing I've done recently was practically ace my EMT test.

[redwingjs]

There a lot of shot crews and type 2 IA crews in California. Local type 2 crews see a lot of good action out here too.

[cougaspatupa]

(cough) bullshit

[OneSkiWonder]

who are you bullshitting? Keep your jack ass comments to yourself!

[cougaspatupa]

Who are you bullshitting? Why are there no Wisconsin wildfires on the national news? Oh, yeah, thats right, because theyre just small little pieces of shit. Maybe you should come out to california and try to fight a wildfire before you say stupid stuff like that. We have grassfires too you know.

[OneSkiWonder]

They don't make national news because we get them out! "Just small little pieces of shit" They aren't 100,000 acres no but a 150 acre fire can still kill you, destroy homes and buildings, and destroy property. Hell, a 1 acre fire can kill you. How about you come to Wisconsin and I'll show you a few fires. I can show you where the Cottonville fire went that destroyed 150 homes. I'm not bullshitting anyone, you don't obviously don't know shit about wildland fire.

[Hostilekid25]

Insane, I want to become a firefighter, I am 16 now, So when i graduate in 2009 from Walnut, CA. I am going to try to enroll in the Mt.Sac Fire Program. =) Firefighters rock because you guys put your asses on the line to save other people. First asain firefighter? idk but yeah.

[monkeyboots80]

Notice the Forest Service guys are the only ones doing a hose lay....every one needs to be out there even the blue pants.

[NewbernFireDept]

It is different in Virginia, all of the VDOF(Virginia Department of Forestry) members have yellow helmets, yellow shirts, with green pants, whereas the Augusta Hotshots have the same except for Blue helmets.

[hudie85]

it happends so quick dosent it one minute its under control the next ur running for ur life it happends so fast its scary cause ya know it can kill ya in seconds

[MarkTools]

i'm a wildland firefighter volunteer in North Italy. Never seen a fire like this aniway! Good luck boys!

[michiganfireman]

Hats off to you wildland guys. You guys are crazy!

[Firefighternorway]

Here in Norway we don't have "Wildlife" firefighters. Just simple Firefighters, and the Norwegian Civil Defence, which I'm planning to join in 3-4 months...

[Mikey84]

Same goes for Finland... no special "Wildfire" firefighters...

[Firefighternorway]

Do you have a Civil Defence?

And, what is the point with having spesial Wildfire firefighters?

[lmsasquatch]

Wildland firefighters have more training in fighting wildfires. You have to keep in mind that here in California there are huge expanses of grass and bush that are dried out by extreme temperatures every summer and cause extreme fire conditions.

[Firefighternorway]

Well, that's true, in Norway it would have cost too much to have a special group of firefighters...

[redwingjs]

As well trained as we wildland firefighters are, we don't make a lot of money, especially working for the Forest Service.

[swatAo1]

im a firefighter in NY and you guys out is cali are some tough sons a bitches. good job guys and gals be safe.

[Dreadpiraterobbers]

damn when your in somthing like that you think your in hell. litteraly.

[LilBAFire]

ummmmmm ever heard of DEADMAN ZONE and BURNOVER TRAINING.

In the SACFS it is a requirement to watch the Deadman Zone dvd and to do atleast two drills on the Burnover procedure. If you dont do it, and get signed of a competent, You DO NOT RIDE THE TRUCK at all during summer to any rural incident.

[TheMegaBody]

Notice the only ones in the video actually doing work were the rialto and forest service engines. By the time things got bad, they had long moved to a safe area. It looks like it was a san bernardino county strike team that was hanging out in the wrong spot. Just some observations.

[NYfiredude5]

This video is really good. Shows the brotherhood between firefighters.

[rob80nikki]

To all of the new firefighters, this is one good reason to always keep track of your partner (s). Could you imagine anyone being left behind?

[Paul11swim]

lol. good point right there. i am a new fire fighter. just took the state test the other day. but im in training. you have a very good point there. lol

[rob80nikki]

The best of luck to you and all your firefighting endeavors. Remember, the more you know, the more information you will have on hand, to save lives.

Keep safe.

[dwodno]

20 years of Law enforcement and 18 in the volunteer fire service> And people say I'm nuts.. Helmets off to you wild land FF's  you take the cake.

[rob80nikki]

13 years in fire service, Amen to all wildland FF's

[rgsgww]

these fires are hard, with winds...it is very hard i started a hill on fire (accident) with no wind and it spread fast so it must be very hard to contain a fire with 60+ mph winds

[HedgehogChopper]

respect guys

we lost four fire fighters in the Uk last weeks trying to search a building that might have people inside, it didnt, the fire was arson & 4 good guys paid with their lives.

KEEP IT SAFE

[orangeblueandlavenda]

i'm wondering what kind of satalyte devices the directing cheifs have and what kind of comunication devices the workers on the ground have. i bet there's some ways to improve that as well.

[aboyx98]

DAMN THAT WAS A FIRE

[kurt17562]

have yet seen a large caterpillar water truck. that holds aprox 12,000 gals of water. get about 20 of these and then attack the fire on one side. these trucks are all wheel drive and there used in construction

[screamfire87]

too small of a safety zone i guess

[levi79]

I think Ive seen this on a what not to do training video once

[donnerdude81]

we fight what you fear...

Chris

Go CDF

[kylebower224]

damn straight thats how we do it..

firefighters are brothers

firefighters walk where the devil plays

thats our motto in rangers

[KFCisallisee]

I like that motto. See you at the big one =)

[ishff77]

This is called being in HELL!

[I7eIVIoNBoY]

i think doctadeth was just kidding

[arizonarfs]

well u will find me in a car anyday, u wont see me trying to outrun the fire on foot lol. u idiot!!

[Doctadeth]

The heat from that bushfire would melt the tires, you get out of control, slam into a tree and your dead. Smoke would also reduce visibility.

Being Aussie is scary, I got caught in a bushfire once, you have to get behind the flames and your fine.

[SIMIHIGH2008]

ya and u also have to hope when ur behind the flames that they dont change direction and start heading towards you

[Doctadeth]

Getting in a car is NOT what you do if you get caught in a burnover. These guys lack bushfire experience vastly.

[Colesyff47]

Mate do not post comments about things that you have no idea about. I just hope that you are never caught in a burnover

[perobassman]

getting in the vehicle is exactly what you do in a situation like this.

[mxfrmbarsspbdsrtrver]

uhoh. NOTGOOD! looks like the wind didnt help.......

[dagger86]

The paint scheme on that green truck looked just like a St. John's, Newfoundland municipal vehicle.. LOL

[NewbernFireDept]

wtf would they go to the top of the hill, expecially in cali. suicide mission anybody, the fires not more more important than ur lives

[lrr14]

because you guys are the best right..I forgot that the odf was fucking perfect

[NewbernFireDept]

I'm VDOF (virginia Department Of Forestry)

[Sandyman82]

No wonder the Forest Circus loses guys. Keep your heads up and be a little cognizant of your surroundings! Remember your Fire Orders and LCES! (I work for Oregon Department of Forestry.)

[hftfire]

Perfect illustration of utilization of a marginal safety zone with a clear escape route... Until you witness Wildland Fire Behavior from the sky, it is difficult to understand how things can change so drastically on the ground... We always need a place to pull back... and PUNT! SAFETY FIRST! ...especially when resources BECOME inadequate!

[wildlandfiremedic]

As a wildland firefighter I ask, what were they doing/thinking?! LCES!! Firefighter will know.

[NewbernFireDept]

LCES (lookouts, communication, excape route, safety zone) lol

[delaalarma]

nice...