"Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there,” Jackson told the Los Angeles Times, “but it's one thing to hope to be like him, it's another thing to be like him."
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Wish and dream all you want. Phil used to say good stuff while coaching KB to feed his ego.
TAKE THAT Suckaaaa!!! In other words, anybody who keeps bringing Kobe up to MJ, the Man himself even said its 'unfair' to KB and to stop it.
Phil Jackson: "I'm with (ESPN's) Bill Simmons on this," he added. "We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable.
"(Kobe) doesn't shoot the same percentage (.455) as Michael (.497). He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right."
HAHAAHAHAHAAH... Phil not coaching is telling the truth objectively.
Prime Kobe is better Than Prime Michael But you can't compare anything else until its all over. You can't compare it cause he's only 33 so he can still change and become way better or worse. So alof of your commetns are pointless.
@NasHipHop1 PRIME KOBE is better then prime mj? Are you serious? 38 ppg while shooting over 50%. Kobe has never shot over like 46% . And I still can't remember a season where Kobe was doing 33 ppg , 8 rebounds and 8 assists. And I can't remember a finals game where m.j scored 2 points or 8 points.
@01shan001 look MJ did not have to share the ball on that time and if you see when kobe was alone , he got like 3 years with 30 ppg and one like 35ppg ... the matter fact is if kobe DOES pass Mj on points he will be better ...and if he does get one more ring he would be better
@kane1987 Lets not get crazy now, No doubt he's gonna pass m.j on scoring because well he's already played 3 more seasons. But M.j will always be a better scorer , better defender, better passer, better rebounder then kobe.
And like I said if mj had lebron, melo, Kobe, attest, durant, and so on sticking him and playing in the same league as him it would've been a lot different, but he didn't so how would we ever know who's possibly the best? the league is a lot different it's a lot harder to score and win against the amount of wonderful teams and single players!
dude trust me all those good teams back then were real teams now is when thwe nba decides to get better and i give credit to the celtics for bringing back the NBA
@travonce Harder to score? You're insane. You honestly think Kobe had tougher competition? Here's a list (off the top of my head) of excellent players I've seen Jordan matched up against. Some great defenders, others more scorers, but every one an all-star caliber player: Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, Ron Harper, Reggie Miller, John Starks, Sid Moncrief, Glen Rice, Penny Hardaway, Kendall Gill, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
lol I think jordan is good but Jordan got the luxury of playing in the expansion era...and his team way way better than ppl give them credit for....Jordan could take 30+ shots and miss quite a few and still bulls win for those 6 championships
@sychosnare You'll never hear me disagree that the "supporting cast" around Jordan was better than people like to give them credit for, but not better than what Kobe has played with. Those first great Laker teams had guys like Shaq, Rice, Horry, Grant, Harper, Fox, AC Green, etc. The second of course has had Pau, Bynum, and Odom. Those teams were are very deep, and every bit as good as the Bulls, except without Jordan..
@sychosnare Also, Kobe played in the watered down expansion era too. It also can't be discounted that three of the expansion teams were really good! Miami was good when they had Rice and Smith, and better when they had Mourning. Charlotte was really good before Mourning left. Orlando was stacked, and the second best team in the east before Shaq left. The expansion argument holds up when comparing to Bird, etc, but not to Kobe. The league has just as many teams now!
@sychosnare One more thing. Yes Jordan shot more than Kobe. No doubt. The chucking 30 shots thing isn't really valid though, especially comparing to a lesser FG% guy like Kobe. Here's why. Kobe's career playoff FG% is 44.8. Between 1991-1998 (discount 95) Jordan attempted 30+ 20 times in playoff games. Only 5 times did he fail to shoot 45% in those games, and this is Kobe's AVERAGE! It was usual for Jordan to pass more when he didn't have his shot.
@travonce Oh and I just saw the part of your stupid post about small and unathletic. Ok. Drexler 6'7, Wilkins 6'8, Harper 6'6, Miller 6'7, Moncrief 6'5, Rice 6'7, Penny 6'7, Gill 6'5, Richmond 6'5, Starks 6'5, Payton 6'4, Cooper 6'7. Every one of these guys was big. Drexler, Wilkins, Harper, Penny, Gill were all EXTREMELY athletic, dunk contest type players! Obviously you're just too young to remember these guys. Starks, Maxwell, Cooper, Dumars, and Moncrief were DOMINANT defenders.
@travonce Now, Kobe is also the best player on that laundry list of guards/wings that I just listed. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is great. He's the 2nd best player I've seen play the 2 wing positions. But not as good as Jordan. Jordan makes guys look bad, just like Kobe does sometimes. Jordan was far more athletic than Kobe. Quicker, stronger, better leaper, better hands, faster, etc. Teams don't run a lot today, so Jordan wouldn't get 32 ppg at 53%, but he'd get 30 at 48-50%. Just better.
@Hegone81 Chicago always played the slowest pace by far even in the 80's..comparable to today's game. Plus the rules are way different, more favourable to perimeter players. Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Bill Simmons, Pippen etc all stated MJ would average 45+ in today's game..
@HymanKaplan They are absolutely not favorable to perimeter scorers. You can't get to the basket now. Here's why: True you can't hand check anymore. So even if I'll give you that it's easier to beat your man today (which I'd argue isn't true either) you're forgetting the illegal defense rules have changed. Teams can help very creatively today to bottle up great players. Much harder to score now for sure. Not to mention the players are bigger, stronger, and quicker now.
@Hegone81 You are hilarious. Probably the only person in the world who thinks the rules are not favourable to perimeter players. Do you have any idea how much difference hand checking and physical defense makes? Hand checking in combination with the fact that they allow moving screens now and 3 sec def rule..it's a heaven for penetrating players. Tony Parker led the league in points in paint. He would not make TOP100 in the 90's..Bigger players? The league is shortest since the 70's..
@HymanKaplan Yes, hand-checking makes a big difference. It does not out-weigh the following things though: (1) The 3 second rule is huge. It enables teams to play both zone and traditional, college-style, help-side defense. In the "illegal defense" days, you couldn't get caught in the lane at all. You had to run over to double, and run back. You float at all- illegal defense. Most of those drives where guys like Jordan and Wilkins just jammed on people in 1990 are picked up now.
@Hegone81 You have no idea what are you talking about!!! The 3 sec def rule favors OFFENSIVE players!!! Ricky Rubio just talked about it in his interview in NBA com, go check it. It gives freedom to penetrating players as you can't simply camp in the lane anymore like before. Zone is the weakest defense possible, it has tones of holes and coaches very rarely use it today. Plus some teams like C's, Lakers and Bulls ran zones even back in the 80's! Referees rarely called the illegal D
@HymanKaplan Turn on a Bulls game from 1996. Absolutely nobody playing zone. Man-to-man, with illegal D called more than once every single game. You couldn't be in the lane AT ALL in 1990's unless you were doing one of 2 things: (1) Moving to pick up a driver, and (2) moving to double-team. When guys roamed they were always called for illegal defense. Nobody ran zone because it has ALWAYS been outlawed in the NBA. Check the history of rules changes on NBA.com.
@Hegone81 OMG, please stop emberassing yourself. I mean it, you have absolutely no idea what are you talking about. I've experienced 80's and 90's basketball..not just seen some clips on youtube. But if you want a proof there are tones of videos showing teams playing zones. You have to be very lazy player to be called for illegal D. Btw. how many teams and coaches run zone today? Thare is a reason for that.Do you realize how many holes zone have? Do some research. watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ
@HymanKaplan Wait, you could obviously be in the lane if defending your man required it, but that goes without saying. I can't believe a seemingly intelligent basketball fan is trying to tell me that teams like the Bulls and Lakers actually played zone! Plus you can camp in the lane all you want today as long as you're guarding a player. Just like before. The difference is that before you couldn't be there AT ALL unless you were guarding someone. That's just a fact.
@HymanKaplan (2) Moving screens? There are more ticky-tack weak calls on screens, etc now than there were then for sure. Think Charles Oakley's screens man! Nobody gets away with playing that physically anymore. Everything is called, and the analysts complain about it every time you watch a game. (3) The league is smaller? Wow. PG's are the same, C's are a little shorter on average. 2's, 3's, 4's are taller now, and EVERYONE is a lot stronger now. Bigger across the board.
@Hegone81 (2) No, moving screens are allowed WAAAAY more than ever before. You couldn't do that back than. This is not NASA secret go make some research. Bill Simmons, Book of Basketball: "Had KJ (Kevin Johnson) peaked post-2004—when they started whistling hand check fouls, stopped whistling moving screens and made it so much easier for guards to get into the paint—he would have averaged a 30–15 and beaten out Steve Nash for consecutive MVPs..."
@HymanKaplan Ok so some guy writes a book about basketball, based on his opinions on all sorts of stuff, that means it's the law? Which is it? The game was super-physical or not? Again, I'll use Charles Oakley. He used to knock dudes on their ass with elbows when setting screens. And they don't call moving screens now? Carlos Boozer gets whistled for this on almost a daily basis. Maybe they call it a little less, but "stopped calling" it is completely wrong.
@Hegone81 Well that some guy is just a number one basketball writer in the world, but whatever i'll go with your opinion over his of course. I thought you may be want to listen to people who actually experienced that era. it's funny how you completely ignore opinions of players and coaches about the rule changes i posted. They all have been saying the same thing. I guess the're all 100% wrong also..Sorry Jason Kidd, Kobe and Bird, there is some guy on youtube who thinks you're idiots.
@Hegone81 According to officiall stats 2007 and 2008 were the 2 shortest years since the 70s. Players have also lost about 2-4lbs since MJ retired.
The league is filled with PF's masquerading as centers and undersized combo guards. Since the talent is so diluded 40 year old dudes from the 90's are still plaing in the league. MJ destroyd today's players in his Wizard days as a broken 40 year old with little fraction of athleticism he use to have. 51 point game and other 7 40+ games...
@Hegone81 "The game favors the perimeter player and the quicker players," said Hall of Famer Larry Bird, the Indiana Pacers president. "I really don't know how they can be guarded. What I do know is it's a different game than when I played." search for Since hand-check rule change, NBA has become a perimeter player's league
I'm sorry, but I'll go with Phil Jackson, Bill Simmons,Larry Brown, Scottie Pippen, Tim Grover, Dumars, Jason Kidd, Duncan, Joe Johnson, Bird and Kobe over you.
@HymanKaplan Again, I'll concede that players are harder to guard one-on-one now. The 3-second rule means the bigs spend MORE time in the lane now than when Bird played, which is a big deal. When he played they weren't allowed to camp the lane. Yes it's easier to get into the lane. It is, however, a lot harder to get all the way to the rim. That's what people fail to realize.
@Hegone81 You are extremelly confused about the 3 sec def rule. I actually think it is a good rule and favors offense and penetrations. But you can't be saying insane things like this rule favors offense, or that when Bird played you can't camp in the lane. It is 100% vice versa. How many shotblockers today can average 4-5 blocks per game? You might may be think there is a reason for that. It is impossible, because you just camp under basket anymore.
@Hegone81 check this, it is one of the best and most sarcastic videos about this subject I've ever seen. Just perfect job. watch?v=bQ9dBEcI_hE&feature=related
@HymanKaplan Basically there's no way he averages 45 per game. I also heard Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain say the best players played in the 60's, Tim McCarver say that the best baseball players played in the 60's, etc. Guys do that. They always want to feel like what they accomplished was all-time great, and are fiercely defensive of it. Jordan would never shoot 53% and average 33 per game today. No chance. Defenses are just better, fact.
@Hegone81 Joe Johnson from the Atlanta Hawks was asked about the handchecking rule during the summer of 2010: "It benefits me," said Joe Johnson, one of three players (Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford are the others) on the Hawks' roster who have averaged 20 or more points in a season. "It definitely changes the game because it gives every guy that extra step. "If we could hand check now, the game would be totally different,"
@Hegone81 Johnson said. "If they couldn't hand check back in the day, there are some guys that would have been even better than they were. It would have been nuts for some of the big-time scorers and perimeter players from the 1980s and 1990s. Can you imagine what [Michael] Jordan would have done in a league where you couldn't hand check."
@Hegone81 "The game has changed big-time," said Dallas point guard Jason Kidd. "When I came in you could hand check and hold a little bit. You could definitely be more physical with the ball-handler. Now if you just touch them it's a foul. It definitely gives quicker guys an advantage."
@Hegone81 "A dominant big man is a rare commodity that can help a team win a championship, but Spurs star Tim Duncan, in his 13th season, said there's little debate the game changed. "It's definitely a perimeter player's league. That's not good for me," Duncan said. "But the league wanted more scoring. As long as the league is consistent about what they're calling, players adjust to the way the game is called."
@Hegone81 Q: How does international play differ from that in the NBA?
A:(Kobe Bryant) I think the NBA is actually a little less physical than international basketball. I think the international basketball rules and what they have, it's what the NBA used to be in the '80s, in terms of being able to hand-check and set screens and roll with the guard under, real physical in the paint. It's a much more physical game.
Yes he has 6 and Kobe has 5 and your saying it like e was dominate throughout those seasons, remember HE DIDNT WIN those all consecutively he didn't even make it to the finals for two years in the middle of his 6 ring run and then you downgrade Kobe for losing in the finals. Haha its funny how people deny how good Kobe truly is... and it's starting to get a bit old, just because you feel your era is better then this era or the next!
If Jordan didnt win 6 rings and wasnt clutch, u can say that stats doesn't say everything. Jordan was more succesful than Kobe and has better stats so it's all win for him.
Oh and sure in mj day there was hand check, I don't think that would have made a difference! And one more thing " there's always a player of the decade and is the one" -Jerry West so would you consider last decade mj and and this one kobe's? I would! I love them both as basketball players though
So in my opinion Kobe is better unless you see the primed mj in the league today! Oh and without a shadow of a doubt if you put Kobe in mj's time and put mj's in Kobe time, I'm sure you will be saying Kobe is better then mj... Please think before you talk, and statistics isn't the way you determine great players.
If you look in the older days and check the sizes of the guards and forwards guarding mj THEY WERE ALOT SMALLER and NON-ATHLETIC compared to the guys today. Kobe is being stuck by lebron, wade, durant, rondo, and the list go on... So when you compare them it's no way mutually possible to prove their dominance! Mj had a easier time with the small guards and Kobe have/had a rough time with his opponents and their size.
@travonce Well, I don't know about who's better because I'm born in 1996 and I just started watching NBA like at 2009, but, I reccomend you to watch playoff games between the bulls and pistons around 1986 or 1987 to 1990. You can see how much trouble MJ have to go through to score, and with handchecking rules, etc. So in my opinion, the argument about Kobe facing tougher defense is invalid. I hope you would reply though, I'm still a newbie in such things(debates).
@travonce it's actually vice versa, Kobe is going against lesser competition. Look at his defenders at his 40 point streak. 40 year old Grant Hill, 40 year old Jason Kidd (you know guys who at their prime guarded MJ), 35 year old Raja Bell, 36 year old Parker, 6'3 Daniel Gibson and 6'3 Randy Foy. Yeah MJ never faced those kind of defenders..The NBA is filled with liliput centers, undersized PF's and 6'3 combo guards playing at SG. Plus you can't touch anybody. MJ would feast on that..
Both are 82-85% FT shooters. During this recent run for LA (2008-present) Kobe is on Jordan's level in terms of leadership, getting the ball to his teammates early in games to get wins not stats, deferring to HIS team's Pippen (Gasol) a lot, etc. Jordan had a far longer sustained run of leadership though, but I believe Kobe has caught up to him since he turned 29 or 30. Both players are amazing clutch players, no real edge here either. Basically, my eyes tell me Jordan, but it's close.
@Hegone81 You made some good points, but Jordan was faster than Kobe, although from 01'-03' Kobe was really fast. Jordan's mid-range game is better as you said, Jordan's percentage in regular season game-winners is prob not as good as Kobes but his playoff percentage is without question better as well as his scoring ppg in the playoffs, Overall, when Jordan was the only scorer from 85'-88' during the most competitive era his teams went slightly further than Kobe's 05'-07' teams in a shit era
...Jordan is a better shooter from 15-20' though. He had that mid-range game down to a level only surpassed by great shooters like Dirk and Bird. Post game is about a push. Jordan had that unstoppable fade (better than Kobe's), but Kobe has an array of moves he goes to. Jordan didn't have that. This allows Kobe to post up players bigger than him (Melo, Battier, Artest, etc). Jordan was more athletic, and attacked the rim a lot better than Kobe.
Now for eyes test (been watching a lot of old bball games since there's been no NBA lol). Ball-handling is about even. Passing is an edge to Jordan because he has better vision. Jordan is a better rebounder. This will sound like blasphemy, but I'll take Kobe (slight edge) defensively. He just holds his matchup down better than Jordan did. Jordan made more plays (blocks and steals), but Kobe was better at keeping his opponent's scoring down. Kobe is a better shooter from about 21' and out
He said as clutch not as good. Two ways to compare players- accomplishments and eyes test. Accomplishments are not close. Jordan won more, 5 MVP's, DPOY, 6 championships, best player on the best team ever, stats are far better, and he was far more dominant in his era than Kobe has been. To be fair to Kobe though, Jordan played in an era dominated by great bigs, but not really by great wings. There really weren't many guys who could compete with Jordan or Kobe for that matter in the 90's.
He didn't say KB is as good as MJ, he NEVER said that. But he did say he is as clutch as MJ. They both got lots of game winner, this one thing we can tell. Only MJ got more huge shots in playoffs, KB has more long range game winners.
just appreciate them as who they are during their era. mj is the greatest yes but it's kinda annoying that people crap down on kobe too much. yesterday's era wasn't as big, as fast and as athletic as today's era. mj dominated 90's era, and kobe dominated 00's era. period. each era has their own "greatest on all time" and there's no way of proving who's better coz they aren't at their primes at the same time which is why they are GOAT of "their own eras".
you guys do also realize that during the 90s era there are no 6'8 6'9 huge guards like lebron and durant nor bigger lockdown defensive specialists in barnes and artest. mj was guarded by smaller guards or at the same height. not saying this is perfectly accurate but looking at who guarded who the most, its obvious that kobe was guarded most of his career by bigger, faster and much more lockdown defenders. not saying mj isn't the greatest but please. there are more to life than just stats.
@FreakishSalmon yeah but in the clutch the gap increases even more. kobe shot 25% for potential game winning shots (last minute shots with game tied or down up to 2) in his career before last season. His clutch stats does not rank him among the best even for active players.
Kobe has age and rules in his favor and he is still miles away from MJ statwise. Stats are not perfect but when you see this kind of difference (like kobe's BEST shooting% season is almost 3% lower than mike's AVERAGE FOR CAREER) everithing is said. The closest to Michael in this era is James, but still one step below at overall skill and 2 steps below at will and heart.
@marianogesteira kobes average was always low cuz in 04 intill he got gasol on his team he waz on a team of bums so he had to take all the shots while jordans team was 1 of the best ever
@eminem542542 he didnt get to 47% in ANY season. Not with Gasol; not with Shaq; not alone; not with Payton, Malone AND Shaq toghether. Michael averaged .515 in his rookie season (no pippen or grant) and .497 for his career including 2 seasons playing at 40+ age (kobe goes .454 and lowering).
@eminem542542 point taken, of course im not saying Kobe is a bad player, nobody can deny he is great. Im standing on the comparison to say what i said, both had good teams and bad teams but making a complete analysis there is no room for doubt...
@18brandon92 is 1.304 against 1.314 points per shots, is close but the standard deviation for this stat is very low, so this looks closer than it is (try getting this stat for a lot of perimeter players and they will be between 1.1 and 1.4 the most). But sure Kobe is better beyond 3pt and shots more from there bc of that, even if he shots only 1.2% better for three careerwise, if he would lower his 3p attempts he would increase his %, i think we will see this happen his last years.
@18brandon92 but MJ kills everyone else at medium range, at the basket and in the post. There is the huge difference with kobe in FG% (wich will increase in kobe veteran years) even with 3.5 more FGA per game. Mj has 0.6 more FTA per game too, wich kobe will lower (remember MJ played at 39 and 40 years too) even having the no contact and the defensive 3s rules there to making players increase this kind of stats, so even when a stat is similar we have to keep it in mind.
@Peter258 he had a lot more oportunities, look at 82games[dot]com/gamewinningshots[dot]htm, but he shoots a poor 25% in game-winning shot attempts. Just comparing kobe with MJ is overrating kobe.
you do realize Jordan has the best conversion rate tho right...i think MJ has made 33 out of 58 in game winners which is a best of all time...while Kobe has made more he has a alot more attempts
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Whether we're talking overall greatness, statistical dominance in the regular & postseason, clutch performances or impact on the sport and World culture as a whole, MJ destroys Kobe HANDS DOWN. And this is from someone who has seen both play their entire careers and is a fan of both.
@09MrRedblade Are you fucking stupid or just mentally challenged to the point where you should just be better off killing your self? Your gonna judge Kobes clutchness over 1 fucking game. In game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 Kobe scored like 30+ points while shooting like 48-52%. Then he had 1 bad game big woop. Fucking dumb ass.
@MW2Addiction LOL.. are you even watching the finals? the percentage is even less than 40% in the finals.i dunno where u get the stats but the stats are wrong.come back with the correct stats before u even comment
@MW2Addiction here are some stats that i found. Kobe shot 8.2-21.2 percentage:388 3point:1.0-4.8 3point percentage:.211 Ft7.5-8.8 free throw percentage:.857. its obvious you are DUMB. you cannot even do a simple things to find a correct stats to counter me with. This is the stats that kobe shot againist Boston in the finals at the HOME GAMES.so what if he drops 30 and his team lose. it defeats the purpose right?. u can drop a 100 and ur team lose and people will also forget about it.
Lol only a dumb ass like you would refuse this. Are you this fucking arrogant? Kobe has been the star of his team. Pau gasol helped but Kobe did more. If you cant accept that, then your just a close-minded dumb ass. Kobe did better than Pau in scoring, assists, blocks, steals, etc. So how the FUCK did Pau lead his team to the championships? Are you this fucking blind?
Your just making your self look like an idiot honestly.
@09MrRedblade Its funny how stupid you make your self look :D. I give you stats from NBA.com and you reply with immature comment. Are you 12 years old kid? Do you even know anything about basketball? :P
You obviously dont. So why dont you actually try to argue with me on the subject? Did you already give up because I shut your ass up with stats? Awwww its ok, I always win debates. I never lose.
@MW2Addiction wowowow.see u dun even understand a normal human. we need to SLEEP unlike a dick like u who just sit around, looking at computer screen. yea i know u took the data of stats from nba.com. BUT WHAT U TOOK WAS WRONG DATA. WHEN U ARE DEBATING U ARE GIVING WRONG INFO AND U EXPECT UR SELF TO WIN! JOKES! AND YET U URSELF THINK THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE REAL DATA
@MW2Addiction KOBE DID NOT LEAD LEAD THE GAME IN SCORING NEITHER REBOUND. GO LOOK AT THE STATS SINCE I DUNNO WHAT THE FUCK UR HAVE BEEN DOING. BUT ONCE AGAIN IT WAS PROVEN THAT PAU WAS THE HEART OF THE TEAM NOT KOBE. ONCE PAU GOES OFF LAKERS LOSES. IT PROVEN AGAIN THIS YEAR. WE SAW THE LAKERS GOT TRASHED BY THE MAVS WHICH MADE THE 90 MILLION NBA TEAM LOOK LIKE SO LOW CLASS TEAM.
@MW2Addiction WE CAN TOTALLY SEE WHO WAS THE HEART FROM EVEN THOUGH KOBE DROPS EVEN 30 LAKERS LOSE. WHY? CAUSE PAU WAS LIKE A WALKING DEAD. IF KOBE WAS SO GOOD AS SOME DICKS WAS TO SAY, HE WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO PREVENT THIS TRASHING. BUT NOTHING HE HAD DONE IS ENOUGH.AND I BELIEVE U DUN WATCH GAMES. OR MAYBE U JUST A KOBE FAN WHO WOHHOO KOBE SCORES AND IGNORE THE REST OF THE TEAM.
@MW2Addiction u always win huH? dick? if anyone was to tell u he goes into debates and always win he's lying espically he is giving u the wrong info stats and blah blah blah.
@09MrRedblade Ok your obviously 12. No doubt. WAhahaha? What kind of mature being writes hahaha with a WA in capitals? Your obviously butt hurt because I shut you up. Thats all it is. I went on nba.com, looked up Kobe on the players list and saw all his stats. For his career he shots 46% from the field. I also listed all his playoffs numbers for you.
@MW2Addiction LOL.that's what i have been telling u. no one compare how much a person shoot carrer. we look it game by game.and if everyone look stats like you there will be no improvement to the game. look at shaq, he use to be shooting 0.2- 0.3 ft and before he retires he was shooting around 0.6 - 0.8 which was a good improvement. obviously u dun know where to find a game by game stats 2 or 3 year even 5-6 years back. all u had been providing are what i can find easily on the net
@YoungBeta hey...u sayin it was only man 2 man in in jordan's era...yeah rite..nd wat else do u knw abt his era..ever heard abt handchking...it was more physical..it was difficult to take foul but still MJ took more free throws than kobe..nw u cant even touch a guy nw..have u ever seen hw they used to double nd triple him....but sill he scored..if sum 1 says kobe better than MJ..then he dont knw basketball...nd plz stop this shit..hour ago i posted 6 comments nd shutted the mouth of kobe fans!!!
@notoriousshrey YOU'RE an IDIOT. since the HAND CHECK RULE HAS BEEN OUT POINTS PPG ONLY WENT UP 1 POINT OOOOOOOO BIG DEAL! UUUUUUUUM I remember KOBE getting DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED ALSO SOOOOO WTF ARE U SAYING?????? and he still does.. more double than tripl with the treats on like Pau etc. ONCE OPON A TIME WEN HE HAD KWAME BROWN AS STARTING CENTER!! HE GOT TRIPLE TEAMED ALOT.. and he still had stretches like 9 STRAIGHT 40+ point games. 5 STRAIGHT 50+ point games etc. I can shut u up COMPLETELY
@notoriousshrey IF U STILL WANNA TALK. an YES IT WAS TOUGHER BACK THEN BUT NOT AS ATHLETIC AS IT IS NOW. THERE ARE SO MANY PLAYERS THAT ARE GREAT NOT LIKE THE HANDFUL BACK THEN. AND ABOUT THE RULES, THEY ARE SOFTER BUT REALLY!!! HOW MANY TIME DO THEY ACTUALLY CALL SOMETHING?????? OTHER THAT TECHS
@YoungBeta look man.first of all m myself a kobe n wade fan..but it's wrong to say he's better i have seen both the era's kaobe has played against more athletic players..but jordans era was dominated by centres.n those rules made them unstoppable.they could just block ne1..nd please go nd see sum videos or ask analysts..at that tym ppl just used to hold each other nd foul wasn't called.dude u knw thats a big myth that there were no great players or athletic 1 ...coz u dont knw ne1 except Mj
@YoungBeta dude just dont talk abt 50+ games..joradn has 39 50+ games..i dont wanna bring up stats coz that's wat u kobe fans dont like, u'll pee in ur pants man..wen jordan entered the league his team mates were worse than kwame..he scored 63 against great celtics but still lost the match..look at the team nw..MJ made grant n pippen better.JORDAN RULES is name of defence on hw the used to guard him check out the vdo.they used to commit such hard fouls nd no1 was ejected.it was very hard to scor
@notoriousshrey BLAH BLAH BLAH u can bring up stats. You would have to bring up Wilt and Russell stats does that make them better????? Jordans team was worse than Kobe's team? are u serious?? its AT LEAST A TIE. KWAME BROWN WAS STARTING!!!!! SMUSH PARKER??? WHERE IS HE NOW????? LAMAR ODOM WAS THE MOST INCONSISTENT PLAYER AND HE WAS THEY'RE 2nd best player smh. Jordan never went to the finals WITHOUT PIPPEN. PIPPEN MADE THE FINALS WITHOUT JORADAN but I digress. I loved how no 1 was ejected during
@YoungBeta dude m talkin abt MJ's team in late 80's...it was realy bad..when pippen nd grant came into the league their fg% was arnd 30% n neither was pippen a good defender..jordan scored 63 aginst celtics but still his team lost..nd ur rite they all could have played..but MJ, barkley, magic nd all could have played 2day as well!!..greatness is nt all abt stats..its also abt impact on the game..MJ revolutionized the game.Kobe's,wade's, lbj game is all based on MJ's..he's like their daddyy!!
@notoriousshrey im not denying they could play in this era but there are more players 2day that could play back then than past players could play now. AND OH HELL NO!!!! LBJ game is NOT comparable to MJ, more like Magic. and wade is unique. Kobe is most like MJ. but Kobe is the 1st Kobe not the nxt MJ
@YoungBeta yeah i agree kobe is kobe..there will nt be any else, nd Mj is mj there wont be any else..1 thing's for sure THEY ARE THE GREATEST SHOOTING GUARDS TO EVER PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@YoungBeta Nd hey one more myth dont knw y every1 thinks that kobe's a better shooter...his fg% is less than jordan's nd so does his efg% which even takes three's in account as well..well m nt sayin MJ was a better shooter..but u can tell me the reason coz many ppl say kobe's a better shooter..nd m nt sarcastic..
@YoungBeta kkk...get it..but dont u think havin higher FG% is better for the team?? nd LBJ is also just like kobe but the things where excels is mental strength, clutch plays, leadership, n determination...while on other hand they both equally athletic, fast n powerful enough nd both play equally good defence..
@notoriousshrey NO WAY LBJ is clearly the better physical specimen. he has speed, hops, quicks, strength, etc. he's a freak OF NATURE. Kobe is not that young anymore but he can still get the job done. a great FG% is whats ideal for you team but u HAVE to show up when it counts not just in the regular season like LBJ does and then fizzles out when it counts. Kobe is not as young as wade or bron he's not gonna put up crazy numbers all season he actually paces himself to be his Black Mamba self
@YoungBeta yeah....rite LBJ is great...he has that build that athleticism nd overall skills...al he nneds to improve is his jumoshot nd he's clutch....clutch is all abt being mentally tough nd that killer insict like MJ nd KObe...he can perform though..no doubt bout that..
@notoriousshrey in the post season wen it matters. I can truely say Lakers hit "the wall" in last years playoffs, they clearly didnt look like themselves. it was indeed embarrassing. But it was the Mavs year congrats to them. all this rest is whats needed 4 LA
Respond to this video..PIppen never made to the finals without jordan..who told u that man...nd yeah wilt nd ruusel are in top 5 of all tym...but MJ's greatest coz like russel he made his team better..he won rings, he scored like wilt nd played grt defence too..MJ always elevated his game in postseasons..nd u knw kobe never showed this quality..mj even scored 40 points nd even 50 point in finals, hit game winner in finals..that's y he's goat..he always elevated his play when required most...
Respond to this video...nd also 1 reason he's better than wilt nd russel apart frm other reasons i have given is in thier era there were only few teams..nd u sya kobe's 1 on 1 is good, then i say MJ was the best slasher in nba history..with those rules nd with such talented centres he performed so well, so in 2days era he could continuosly attack the rim unlike kobe nd lebron nd could take so many free throws by being fouled out..nd u think 1 on 1 wasn't tough with starks, moncrief nd the likes?
@notoriousshrey Kobe is a better shooter than MJ that is y he would have succeeds over those defenders he would continue to bring out the defense than drive and finish wen need be
@YoungBeta abt kobe all i can say is he has the same hunger nd the drive like MJ..nd even he makes his team better with his leadership..no doubt he's grt..may be he'll topple every1 later. like u i always felt that earlier the game was very slow, guys were not athletic.it's all a myth dude..its coz of quality of vdo it looks like this, i have seen all the mj games nd trust me, it was much difficult to score that tym nd those ppl really kicked ass..they were also very good..go nd see sum matches!
@YoungBeta oh man absolutely..i saw that post of ur's nw..KObe's great no doubt...even i dont knw y ppl hate him???he won 2 back to back championship on his own, stil many hate him..dont knw y..for me kobe nd wade are the best in league...many hate him coz they think he's a rapist...lol...they suck!!!nd my fav dunk in a match is also of kobe in which he puts the ball behind the back nd BAMMMM 360 jam!!! KObe's one of the greatest!!
@notoriousshrey those day and it was hard to score for players BACK THEN but LETS BE HONEST. YOU PUT WADE, BRON, MELO, etc. BACK THEY WOULD SCORE. KOBE's GAME IS 1 on 1 and if that is all you could play.....................
@YoungBeta talkin on athletic players..i'll name some isiah,hardaway,dumars,dominique,clyde,danny ainge, russel barkley etc etc nd its a endless list man..its a myth nothin else..ppl dont realize their greatness as they lived in MJ's shadow..kobe's in top 10 all tym..greatest 2day but wrong to say he's better than MJ..its insult to other players too like kareem nd all..i like kobe too no doubt..maybe u shld bring up this topic when he retires, maybe he'll topple every1 then.....anything else.
@notoriousshrey I nvr said Kobe was better than MJ im just saying you cant deny how great Kobe is thats all. He get discredited as much as he gets love for his skill but hey in the end we can weigh the truth right.
@notoriousshrey contd..i used to think the same when i watched those old vdos..ppl look slow in them..but they were also very athletic..defenders like payton,starks,moncrief,russel were like nightmare fr perimeter shooters, MJ's era was blessed with greatest centres of all tym..nw u just have howard who trains with olajuwon..MJ played against olajuwon his entire carrer..it was jujst MJ's legacy that nt many ppl knw abt them.i can give u a endless list man.nd go nd see sum HD vdos nt those old 1s
"Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there,” Jackson told the Los Angeles Times, “but it's one thing to hope to be like him, it's another thing to be like him."
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Wish and dream all you want. Phil used to say good stuff while coaching KB to feed his ego.
TAKE THAT Suckaaaa!!! In other words, anybody who keeps bringing Kobe up to MJ, the Man himself even said its 'unfair' to KB and to stop it.
In other words, not close.
at1212b 1 day ago
Phil Jackson: "I'm with (ESPN's) Bill Simmons on this," he added. "We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable.
"(Kobe) doesn't shoot the same percentage (.455) as Michael (.497). He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right."
HAHAAHAHAHAAH... Phil not coaching is telling the truth objectively.
at1212b 1 day ago
Change the title. Kobe is as good as MJ in CLUTCH situations. Don't take it out of context because then you would be LYING.
UnnaturalDesires 1 week ago
KEYWORD PEOPLE... "CLUTH"
sovietserb 2 weeks ago
well for me enough said the coach have spoken and the 2 of the best player's in the NBA MJ and KB they have only 1 coach phil jackson
dragking111489tin 1 month ago
Yeah ,he had to say that c'Mon now ,read his book and find out if he states the same .lol!
Garrikpz 1 month ago
@01shan001 false. Only time will tell.
bichimfamous2 2 months ago
kobe played vs nothing
1v1ModernWxrfare2 2 months ago
Prime Kobe is better Than Prime Michael But you can't compare anything else until its all over. You can't compare it cause he's only 33 so he can still change and become way better or worse. So alof of your commetns are pointless.
NasHipHop1 2 months ago
@NasHipHop1 PRIME KOBE is better then prime mj? Are you serious? 38 ppg while shooting over 50%. Kobe has never shot over like 46% . And I still can't remember a season where Kobe was doing 33 ppg , 8 rebounds and 8 assists. And I can't remember a finals game where m.j scored 2 points or 8 points.
01shan001 2 months ago
@01shan001 Well seeing as kobe is beating almost all his records. we can only have this debate once kobe retires.
NasHipHop1 2 months ago
@NasHipHop1 He's beating his records in how many more seasons?
01shan001 2 months ago
@01shan001 look MJ did not have to share the ball on that time and if you see when kobe was alone , he got like 3 years with 30 ppg and one like 35ppg ... the matter fact is if kobe DOES pass Mj on points he will be better ...and if he does get one more ring he would be better
kane1987 2 months ago
@kane1987 Lets not get crazy now, No doubt he's gonna pass m.j on scoring because well he's already played 3 more seasons. But M.j will always be a better scorer , better defender, better passer, better rebounder then kobe.
01shan001 2 months ago
And like I said if mj had lebron, melo, Kobe, attest, durant, and so on sticking him and playing in the same league as him it would've been a lot different, but he didn't so how would we ever know who's possibly the best? the league is a lot different it's a lot harder to score and win against the amount of wonderful teams and single players!
travonce 2 months ago
@travonce hey duck!!
dude trust me all those good teams back then were real teams now is when thwe nba decides to get better and i give credit to the celtics for bringing back the NBA
1v1ModernWxrfare2 2 months ago
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Hegone81 2 months ago
@travonce Harder to score? You're insane. You honestly think Kobe had tougher competition? Here's a list (off the top of my head) of excellent players I've seen Jordan matched up against. Some great defenders, others more scorers, but every one an all-star caliber player: Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, Ron Harper, Reggie Miller, John Starks, Sid Moncrief, Glen Rice, Penny Hardaway, Kendall Gill, Gary Payton, Mitch Richmond, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
Hegone81 2 months ago
@Hegone81
lol I think jordan is good but Jordan got the luxury of playing in the expansion era...and his team way way better than ppl give them credit for....Jordan could take 30+ shots and miss quite a few and still bulls win for those 6 championships
sychosnare 2 months ago
@sychosnare You'll never hear me disagree that the "supporting cast" around Jordan was better than people like to give them credit for, but not better than what Kobe has played with. Those first great Laker teams had guys like Shaq, Rice, Horry, Grant, Harper, Fox, AC Green, etc. The second of course has had Pau, Bynum, and Odom. Those teams were are very deep, and every bit as good as the Bulls, except without Jordan..
Hegone81 2 months ago
@sychosnare Also, Kobe played in the watered down expansion era too. It also can't be discounted that three of the expansion teams were really good! Miami was good when they had Rice and Smith, and better when they had Mourning. Charlotte was really good before Mourning left. Orlando was stacked, and the second best team in the east before Shaq left. The expansion argument holds up when comparing to Bird, etc, but not to Kobe. The league has just as many teams now!
Hegone81 2 months ago
@sychosnare One more thing. Yes Jordan shot more than Kobe. No doubt. The chucking 30 shots thing isn't really valid though, especially comparing to a lesser FG% guy like Kobe. Here's why. Kobe's career playoff FG% is 44.8. Between 1991-1998 (discount 95) Jordan attempted 30+ 20 times in playoff games. Only 5 times did he fail to shoot 45% in those games, and this is Kobe's AVERAGE! It was usual for Jordan to pass more when he didn't have his shot.
Hegone81 2 months ago
@sychosnare Actually the Bobcats didn't exist in 91-98, so Kobe actually has a larger league by 1 team.
Hegone81 2 months ago
@travonce Oh and I just saw the part of your stupid post about small and unathletic. Ok. Drexler 6'7, Wilkins 6'8, Harper 6'6, Miller 6'7, Moncrief 6'5, Rice 6'7, Penny 6'7, Gill 6'5, Richmond 6'5, Starks 6'5, Payton 6'4, Cooper 6'7. Every one of these guys was big. Drexler, Wilkins, Harper, Penny, Gill were all EXTREMELY athletic, dunk contest type players! Obviously you're just too young to remember these guys. Starks, Maxwell, Cooper, Dumars, and Moncrief were DOMINANT defenders.
Hegone81 2 months ago
@travonce Now, Kobe is also the best player on that laundry list of guards/wings that I just listed. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is great. He's the 2nd best player I've seen play the 2 wing positions. But not as good as Jordan. Jordan makes guys look bad, just like Kobe does sometimes. Jordan was far more athletic than Kobe. Quicker, stronger, better leaper, better hands, faster, etc. Teams don't run a lot today, so Jordan wouldn't get 32 ppg at 53%, but he'd get 30 at 48-50%. Just better.
Hegone81 2 months ago
@Hegone81 Chicago always played the slowest pace by far even in the 80's..comparable to today's game. Plus the rules are way different, more favourable to perimeter players. Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Bill Simmons, Pippen etc all stated MJ would average 45+ in today's game..
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan They are absolutely not favorable to perimeter scorers. You can't get to the basket now. Here's why: True you can't hand check anymore. So even if I'll give you that it's easier to beat your man today (which I'd argue isn't true either) you're forgetting the illegal defense rules have changed. Teams can help very creatively today to bottle up great players. Much harder to score now for sure. Not to mention the players are bigger, stronger, and quicker now.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 You are hilarious. Probably the only person in the world who thinks the rules are not favourable to perimeter players. Do you have any idea how much difference hand checking and physical defense makes? Hand checking in combination with the fact that they allow moving screens now and 3 sec def rule..it's a heaven for penetrating players. Tony Parker led the league in points in paint. He would not make TOP100 in the 90's..Bigger players? The league is shortest since the 70's..
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan Yes, hand-checking makes a big difference. It does not out-weigh the following things though: (1) The 3 second rule is huge. It enables teams to play both zone and traditional, college-style, help-side defense. In the "illegal defense" days, you couldn't get caught in the lane at all. You had to run over to double, and run back. You float at all- illegal defense. Most of those drives where guys like Jordan and Wilkins just jammed on people in 1990 are picked up now.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 You have no idea what are you talking about!!! The 3 sec def rule favors OFFENSIVE players!!! Ricky Rubio just talked about it in his interview in NBA com, go check it. It gives freedom to penetrating players as you can't simply camp in the lane anymore like before. Zone is the weakest defense possible, it has tones of holes and coaches very rarely use it today. Plus some teams like C's, Lakers and Bulls ran zones even back in the 80's! Referees rarely called the illegal D
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan Turn on a Bulls game from 1996. Absolutely nobody playing zone. Man-to-man, with illegal D called more than once every single game. You couldn't be in the lane AT ALL in 1990's unless you were doing one of 2 things: (1) Moving to pick up a driver, and (2) moving to double-team. When guys roamed they were always called for illegal defense. Nobody ran zone because it has ALWAYS been outlawed in the NBA. Check the history of rules changes on NBA.com.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 OMG, please stop emberassing yourself. I mean it, you have absolutely no idea what are you talking about. I've experienced 80's and 90's basketball..not just seen some clips on youtube. But if you want a proof there are tones of videos showing teams playing zones. You have to be very lazy player to be called for illegal D. Btw. how many teams and coaches run zone today? Thare is a reason for that.Do you realize how many holes zone have? Do some research. watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan The illegal defense rule today completely favors the defense. That's why it was put in. You are 100% wrong about this.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan Wait, you could obviously be in the lane if defending your man required it, but that goes without saying. I can't believe a seemingly intelligent basketball fan is trying to tell me that teams like the Bulls and Lakers actually played zone! Plus you can camp in the lane all you want today as long as you're guarding a player. Just like before. The difference is that before you couldn't be there AT ALL unless you were guarding someone. That's just a fact.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan (2) Moving screens? There are more ticky-tack weak calls on screens, etc now than there were then for sure. Think Charles Oakley's screens man! Nobody gets away with playing that physically anymore. Everything is called, and the analysts complain about it every time you watch a game. (3) The league is smaller? Wow. PG's are the same, C's are a little shorter on average. 2's, 3's, 4's are taller now, and EVERYONE is a lot stronger now. Bigger across the board.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 (2) No, moving screens are allowed WAAAAY more than ever before. You couldn't do that back than. This is not NASA secret go make some research. Bill Simmons, Book of Basketball: "Had KJ (Kevin Johnson) peaked post-2004—when they started whistling hand check fouls, stopped whistling moving screens and made it so much easier for guards to get into the paint—he would have averaged a 30–15 and beaten out Steve Nash for consecutive MVPs..."
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan Ok so some guy writes a book about basketball, based on his opinions on all sorts of stuff, that means it's the law? Which is it? The game was super-physical or not? Again, I'll use Charles Oakley. He used to knock dudes on their ass with elbows when setting screens. And they don't call moving screens now? Carlos Boozer gets whistled for this on almost a daily basis. Maybe they call it a little less, but "stopped calling" it is completely wrong.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 Well that some guy is just a number one basketball writer in the world, but whatever i'll go with your opinion over his of course. I thought you may be want to listen to people who actually experienced that era. it's funny how you completely ignore opinions of players and coaches about the rule changes i posted. They all have been saying the same thing. I guess the're all 100% wrong also..Sorry Jason Kidd, Kobe and Bird, there is some guy on youtube who thinks you're idiots.
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 According to officiall stats 2007 and 2008 were the 2 shortest years since the 70s. Players have also lost about 2-4lbs since MJ retired.
The league is filled with PF's masquerading as centers and undersized combo guards. Since the talent is so diluded 40 year old dudes from the 90's are still plaing in the league. MJ destroyd today's players in his Wizard days as a broken 40 year old with little fraction of athleticism he use to have. 51 point game and other 7 40+ games...
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 "The game favors the perimeter player and the quicker players," said Hall of Famer Larry Bird, the Indiana Pacers president. "I really don't know how they can be guarded. What I do know is it's a different game than when I played." search for Since hand-check rule change, NBA has become a perimeter player's league
I'm sorry, but I'll go with Phil Jackson, Bill Simmons,Larry Brown, Scottie Pippen, Tim Grover, Dumars, Jason Kidd, Duncan, Joe Johnson, Bird and Kobe over you.
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan Again, I'll concede that players are harder to guard one-on-one now. The 3-second rule means the bigs spend MORE time in the lane now than when Bird played, which is a big deal. When he played they weren't allowed to camp the lane. Yes it's easier to get into the lane. It is, however, a lot harder to get all the way to the rim. That's what people fail to realize.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 You are extremelly confused about the 3 sec def rule. I actually think it is a good rule and favors offense and penetrations. But you can't be saying insane things like this rule favors offense, or that when Bird played you can't camp in the lane. It is 100% vice versa. How many shotblockers today can average 4-5 blocks per game? You might may be think there is a reason for that. It is impossible, because you just camp under basket anymore.
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan I meant defense
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 check this, it is one of the best and most sarcastic videos about this subject I've ever seen. Just perfect job. watch?v=bQ9dBEcI_hE&feature=related
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 Tony Parker led the league in points in paint. Read this sentence again and think about it really really hard.
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@HymanKaplan Basically there's no way he averages 45 per game. I also heard Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain say the best players played in the 60's, Tim McCarver say that the best baseball players played in the 60's, etc. Guys do that. They always want to feel like what they accomplished was all-time great, and are fiercely defensive of it. Jordan would never shoot 53% and average 33 per game today. No chance. Defenses are just better, fact.
Hegone81 1 month ago
@Hegone81 Joe Johnson from the Atlanta Hawks was asked about the handchecking rule during the summer of 2010: "It benefits me," said Joe Johnson, one of three players (Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford are the others) on the Hawks' roster who have averaged 20 or more points in a season. "It definitely changes the game because it gives every guy that extra step. "If we could hand check now, the game would be totally different,"
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 Johnson said. "If they couldn't hand check back in the day, there are some guys that would have been even better than they were. It would have been nuts for some of the big-time scorers and perimeter players from the 1980s and 1990s. Can you imagine what [Michael] Jordan would have done in a league where you couldn't hand check."
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 "The game has changed big-time," said Dallas point guard Jason Kidd. "When I came in you could hand check and hold a little bit. You could definitely be more physical with the ball-handler. Now if you just touch them it's a foul. It definitely gives quicker guys an advantage."
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 "A dominant big man is a rare commodity that can help a team win a championship, but Spurs star Tim Duncan, in his 13th season, said there's little debate the game changed. "It's definitely a perimeter player's league. That's not good for me," Duncan said. "But the league wanted more scoring. As long as the league is consistent about what they're calling, players adjust to the way the game is called."
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
@Hegone81 Q: How does international play differ from that in the NBA?
A:(Kobe Bryant) I think the NBA is actually a little less physical than international basketball. I think the international basketball rules and what they have, it's what the NBA used to be in the '80s, in terms of being able to hand-check and set screens and roll with the guard under, real physical in the paint. It's a much more physical game.
June 30, 2008 L.A. Times
Rubio said the same thing in recent interview.
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
Yes he has 6 and Kobe has 5 and your saying it like e was dominate throughout those seasons, remember HE DIDNT WIN those all consecutively he didn't even make it to the finals for two years in the middle of his 6 ring run and then you downgrade Kobe for losing in the finals. Haha its funny how people deny how good Kobe truly is... and it's starting to get a bit old, just because you feel your era is better then this era or the next!
travonce 2 months ago
If Jordan didnt win 6 rings and wasnt clutch, u can say that stats doesn't say everything. Jordan was more succesful than Kobe and has better stats so it's all win for him.
23fann 2 months ago
Oh and sure in mj day there was hand check, I don't think that would have made a difference! And one more thing " there's always a player of the decade and is the one" -Jerry West so would you consider last decade mj and and this one kobe's? I would! I love them both as basketball players though
travonce 2 months ago
So in my opinion Kobe is better unless you see the primed mj in the league today! Oh and without a shadow of a doubt if you put Kobe in mj's time and put mj's in Kobe time, I'm sure you will be saying Kobe is better then mj... Please think before you talk, and statistics isn't the way you determine great players.
travonce 2 months ago
If you look in the older days and check the sizes of the guards and forwards guarding mj THEY WERE ALOT SMALLER and NON-ATHLETIC compared to the guys today. Kobe is being stuck by lebron, wade, durant, rondo, and the list go on... So when you compare them it's no way mutually possible to prove their dominance! Mj had a easier time with the small guards and Kobe have/had a rough time with his opponents and their size.
travonce 2 months ago
@travonce Well, I don't know about who's better because I'm born in 1996 and I just started watching NBA like at 2009, but, I reccomend you to watch playoff games between the bulls and pistons around 1986 or 1987 to 1990. You can see how much trouble MJ have to go through to score, and with handchecking rules, etc. So in my opinion, the argument about Kobe facing tougher defense is invalid. I hope you would reply though, I'm still a newbie in such things(debates).
MrPaperCom 2 months ago 7
@MrPaperCom kobe didnt average as much as jordan when he was younger.
TheHQBreach 2 months ago
@TheHQBreach Erm, that's what I'm trying to say?
MrPaperCom 2 months ago
@travonce it's actually vice versa, Kobe is going against lesser competition. Look at his defenders at his 40 point streak. 40 year old Grant Hill, 40 year old Jason Kidd (you know guys who at their prime guarded MJ), 35 year old Raja Bell, 36 year old Parker, 6'3 Daniel Gibson and 6'3 Randy Foy. Yeah MJ never faced those kind of defenders..The NBA is filled with liliput centers, undersized PF's and 6'3 combo guards playing at SG. Plus you can't touch anybody. MJ would feast on that..
HymanKaplan 1 month ago
Michael Jordan is thausend times better than Kobey for Sure!!!!!!
sayitm30 2 months ago
Both are 82-85% FT shooters. During this recent run for LA (2008-present) Kobe is on Jordan's level in terms of leadership, getting the ball to his teammates early in games to get wins not stats, deferring to HIS team's Pippen (Gasol) a lot, etc. Jordan had a far longer sustained run of leadership though, but I believe Kobe has caught up to him since he turned 29 or 30. Both players are amazing clutch players, no real edge here either. Basically, my eyes tell me Jordan, but it's close.
Hegone81 2 months ago
@Hegone81 You made some good points, but Jordan was faster than Kobe, although from 01'-03' Kobe was really fast. Jordan's mid-range game is better as you said, Jordan's percentage in regular season game-winners is prob not as good as Kobes but his playoff percentage is without question better as well as his scoring ppg in the playoffs, Overall, when Jordan was the only scorer from 85'-88' during the most competitive era his teams went slightly further than Kobe's 05'-07' teams in a shit era
HubieBrown2ndPerson 2 months ago
...Jordan is a better shooter from 15-20' though. He had that mid-range game down to a level only surpassed by great shooters like Dirk and Bird. Post game is about a push. Jordan had that unstoppable fade (better than Kobe's), but Kobe has an array of moves he goes to. Jordan didn't have that. This allows Kobe to post up players bigger than him (Melo, Battier, Artest, etc). Jordan was more athletic, and attacked the rim a lot better than Kobe.
Hegone81 2 months ago
Now for eyes test (been watching a lot of old bball games since there's been no NBA lol). Ball-handling is about even. Passing is an edge to Jordan because he has better vision. Jordan is a better rebounder. This will sound like blasphemy, but I'll take Kobe (slight edge) defensively. He just holds his matchup down better than Jordan did. Jordan made more plays (blocks and steals), but Kobe was better at keeping his opponent's scoring down. Kobe is a better shooter from about 21' and out
Hegone81 2 months ago
He said as clutch not as good. Two ways to compare players- accomplishments and eyes test. Accomplishments are not close. Jordan won more, 5 MVP's, DPOY, 6 championships, best player on the best team ever, stats are far better, and he was far more dominant in his era than Kobe has been. To be fair to Kobe though, Jordan played in an era dominated by great bigs, but not really by great wings. There really weren't many guys who could compete with Jordan or Kobe for that matter in the 90's.
Hegone81 2 months ago
He didn't say KB is as good as MJ, he NEVER said that. But he did say he is as clutch as MJ. They both got lots of game winner, this one thing we can tell. Only MJ got more huge shots in playoffs, KB has more long range game winners.
jimmychuang 2 months ago 2
@jimmychuang
Kobe's clutch game winning shooting % is alot more worse than MJ.
And you're right, KB literally has only 2-3 big key shots. Compare that to 33% shooting during many elimination games.
at1212b 1 day ago
in clutch ye, but ovrall MJ
alcoholicsemenspill9 2 months ago
@alcoholicsemenspill9 no even close in clutch. mj imposed his will in big time situations whenever he wanted and that's something kobe rarely dose.
roostercogburn190644 2 months ago
just appreciate them as who they are during their era. mj is the greatest yes but it's kinda annoying that people crap down on kobe too much. yesterday's era wasn't as big, as fast and as athletic as today's era. mj dominated 90's era, and kobe dominated 00's era. period. each era has their own "greatest on all time" and there's no way of proving who's better coz they aren't at their primes at the same time which is why they are GOAT of "their own eras".
jongs2k 2 months ago
@jongs2k mhmm excatly agreed you can't compare eras simple as that.
victor1993k 2 months ago
you guys do also realize that during the 90s era there are no 6'8 6'9 huge guards like lebron and durant nor bigger lockdown defensive specialists in barnes and artest. mj was guarded by smaller guards or at the same height. not saying this is perfectly accurate but looking at who guarded who the most, its obvious that kobe was guarded most of his career by bigger, faster and much more lockdown defenders. not saying mj isn't the greatest but please. there are more to life than just stats.
jongs2k 2 months ago
Why dont u dumbasses just shutup and understand that Kobe and Jordan are two of the greatest players to ever step onto a basketball court
SkateHack1 3 months ago
gosh, phil said Kobe and Jordan are the same IN THE CLUTCH, he didn't say overall !!
FreakishSalmon 3 months ago
@FreakishSalmon yeah but in the clutch the gap increases even more. kobe shot 25% for potential game winning shots (last minute shots with game tied or down up to 2) in his career before last season. His clutch stats does not rank him among the best even for active players.
marianogesteira 2 months ago
Phil cracks me up.
CHRISTIANABUSED 3 months ago
Kobe has age and rules in his favor and he is still miles away from MJ statwise. Stats are not perfect but when you see this kind of difference (like kobe's BEST shooting% season is almost 3% lower than mike's AVERAGE FOR CAREER) everithing is said. The closest to Michael in this era is James, but still one step below at overall skill and 2 steps below at will and heart.
marianogesteira 3 months ago 2
@marianogesteira kobes average was always low cuz in 04 intill he got gasol on his team he waz on a team of bums so he had to take all the shots while jordans team was 1 of the best ever
eminem542542 3 months ago
@eminem542542 he didnt get to 47% in ANY season. Not with Gasol; not with Shaq; not alone; not with Payton, Malone AND Shaq toghether. Michael averaged .515 in his rookie season (no pippen or grant) and .497 for his career including 2 seasons playing at 40+ age (kobe goes .454 and lowering).
marianogesteira 3 months ago
@marianogesteira im not saying hes better than jordan cuz jordan is better but im saying kobe waz on a team of bums
eminem542542 3 months ago
@eminem542542 point taken, of course im not saying Kobe is a bad player, nobody can deny he is great. Im standing on the comparison to say what i said, both had good teams and bad teams but making a complete analysis there is no room for doubt...
marianogesteira 3 months ago
@marianogesteira Kobe shoots more 3s though . if you look at their stats over points per fg attempt, they are almost identical .
18brandon92 2 months ago
@marianogesteira Kobe shoots more 3s though . their points per fg attempt are almost identical.
18brandon92 2 months ago
@18brandon92 is 1.304 against 1.314 points per shots, is close but the standard deviation for this stat is very low, so this looks closer than it is (try getting this stat for a lot of perimeter players and they will be between 1.1 and 1.4 the most). But sure Kobe is better beyond 3pt and shots more from there bc of that, even if he shots only 1.2% better for three careerwise, if he would lower his 3p attempts he would increase his %, i think we will see this happen his last years.
marianogesteira 2 months ago
@18brandon92 but MJ kills everyone else at medium range, at the basket and in the post. There is the huge difference with kobe in FG% (wich will increase in kobe veteran years) even with 3.5 more FGA per game. Mj has 0.6 more FTA per game too, wich kobe will lower (remember MJ played at 39 and 40 years too) even having the no contact and the defensive 3s rules there to making players increase this kind of stats, so even when a stat is similar we have to keep it in mind.
marianogesteira 2 months ago
He couldnt say MJ was better (he knows MJ was), you are retarded if you dont realize that. There is no debate.
marianogesteira 3 months ago
Phil Jackson said that cause he didn't want to hurt Kobe feelings
thegoldenhero 3 months ago
@thegoldenhero umm no he said that because kobe has more game winning shots then mj..
Peter258 3 months ago
@Peter258 he had a lot more oportunities, look at 82games[dot]com/gamewinningshots[dot]htm, but he shoots a poor 25% in game-winning shot attempts. Just comparing kobe with MJ is overrating kobe.
marianogesteira 3 months ago
@Peter258
you do realize Jordan has the best conversion rate tho right...i think MJ has made 33 out of 58 in game winners which is a best of all time...while Kobe has made more he has a alot more attempts
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tobechi99 3 months ago
KOBE = GOAT.
DSKiNNBEATS 3 months ago
@DSKiNNBEATS You are absolutely retarded.
FaithInDefiance 3 months ago
like it when the announcer had to say michael jordan after MJ to distinguish the basketballer and the late singer
BowlofIndoMee 4 months ago
quote and quote "Clutch Situation". that's not overall.
dexOn22 4 months ago
@dexOn22 True that. Reggie Miller was great in clutch situations, too, but he's not on the level of Bird, Johnson, Jordan, Kobe, etc.
mrmacross 4 months ago
@mrmacross Jordan is above this level and Kobe is below.
marianogesteira 3 months ago
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Lightfoot1990 5 months ago
Michael jordan no matter what
CarlosShowroom 5 months ago
Hell knaw! Kobe is weak at 30somethin compared to Jawdan in his 30's. Kobe is weak compared to MJ! MJ was the real coach of the bulls everyone on that team knew that.
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@tyrekethefreak make sense idiot
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jbizzle12345100 6 months ago
Whether we're talking overall greatness, statistical dominance in the regular & postseason, clutch performances or impact on the sport and World culture as a whole, MJ destroys Kobe HANDS DOWN. And this is from someone who has seen both play their entire careers and is a fan of both.
RAV52 6 months ago
yea right when was "kobe" in the 6 finals? yea we see him but shot jacking 7/23 wahahahahaha.clutch?wahahahhahaahahah..jokes
09MrRedblade 7 months ago
@09MrRedblade Are you fucking stupid or just mentally challenged to the point where you should just be better off killing your self? Your gonna judge Kobes clutchness over 1 fucking game. In game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 Kobe scored like 30+ points while shooting like 48-52%. Then he had 1 bad game big woop. Fucking dumb ass.
MW2Addiction 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction LOL.. are you even watching the finals? the percentage is even less than 40% in the finals.i dunno where u get the stats but the stats are wrong.come back with the correct stats before u even comment
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@09MrRedblade Less than 40%? Are you serious?
Kobe in the 2010 finals vs the Celtics averaged:
29.2 PPG, 6.0 APG, 6.0 RPG and he shot 46% from the field
In the 2011 playoffs he averaged:
23 PPG, 3.3 APG, 3.4 RPG, and he shot 45% from the field.
As you can see his numbers did decrease by a lot. However, he NEVER shot under 40% like you claim. Thats an illogical fallacy on your part.
MW2Addiction 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction here are some stats that i found. Kobe shot 8.2-21.2 percentage:388 3point:1.0-4.8 3point percentage:.211 Ft7.5-8.8 free throw percentage:.857. its obvious you are DUMB. you cannot even do a simple things to find a correct stats to counter me with. This is the stats that kobe shot againist Boston in the finals at the HOME GAMES.so what if he drops 30 and his team lose. it defeats the purpose right?. u can drop a 100 and ur team lose and people will also forget about it.
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction i think u are just a stupid kobe fan that i always see on youtube.wahahahahahaha
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@09MrRedblade Those are stats from NBA.com
Lol only a dumb ass like you would refuse this. Are you this fucking arrogant? Kobe has been the star of his team. Pau gasol helped but Kobe did more. If you cant accept that, then your just a close-minded dumb ass. Kobe did better than Pau in scoring, assists, blocks, steals, etc. So how the FUCK did Pau lead his team to the championships? Are you this fucking blind?
Your just making your self look like an idiot honestly.
MW2Addiction 6 months ago
@09MrRedblade Its funny how stupid you make your self look :D. I give you stats from NBA.com and you reply with immature comment. Are you 12 years old kid? Do you even know anything about basketball? :P
You obviously dont. So why dont you actually try to argue with me on the subject? Did you already give up because I shut your ass up with stats? Awwww its ok, I always win debates. I never lose.
MW2Addiction 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction wowowow.see u dun even understand a normal human. we need to SLEEP unlike a dick like u who just sit around, looking at computer screen. yea i know u took the data of stats from nba.com. BUT WHAT U TOOK WAS WRONG DATA. WHEN U ARE DEBATING U ARE GIVING WRONG INFO AND U EXPECT UR SELF TO WIN! JOKES! AND YET U URSELF THINK THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE REAL DATA
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction so WHAT IS UR FUCKING DEFINATION OF WINNING? SOMETIMES IT TAKES 2 - 3 DAYS FOR A PERSON TO REPLY JOKE
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction KOBE DID NOT LEAD LEAD THE GAME IN SCORING NEITHER REBOUND. GO LOOK AT THE STATS SINCE I DUNNO WHAT THE FUCK UR HAVE BEEN DOING. BUT ONCE AGAIN IT WAS PROVEN THAT PAU WAS THE HEART OF THE TEAM NOT KOBE. ONCE PAU GOES OFF LAKERS LOSES. IT PROVEN AGAIN THIS YEAR. WE SAW THE LAKERS GOT TRASHED BY THE MAVS WHICH MADE THE 90 MILLION NBA TEAM LOOK LIKE SO LOW CLASS TEAM.
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction WE CAN TOTALLY SEE WHO WAS THE HEART FROM EVEN THOUGH KOBE DROPS EVEN 30 LAKERS LOSE. WHY? CAUSE PAU WAS LIKE A WALKING DEAD. IF KOBE WAS SO GOOD AS SOME DICKS WAS TO SAY, HE WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO PREVENT THIS TRASHING. BUT NOTHING HE HAD DONE IS ENOUGH.AND I BELIEVE U DUN WATCH GAMES. OR MAYBE U JUST A KOBE FAN WHO WOHHOO KOBE SCORES AND IGNORE THE REST OF THE TEAM.
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction u always win huH? dick? if anyone was to tell u he goes into debates and always win he's lying espically he is giving u the wrong info stats and blah blah blah.
WAhahahaa owned
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@09MrRedblade Ok your obviously 12. No doubt. WAhahaha? What kind of mature being writes hahaha with a WA in capitals? Your obviously butt hurt because I shut you up. Thats all it is. I went on nba.com, looked up Kobe on the players list and saw all his stats. For his career he shots 46% from the field. I also listed all his playoffs numbers for you.
MW2Addiction 6 months ago
@MW2Addiction LOL.that's what i have been telling u. no one compare how much a person shoot carrer. we look it game by game.and if everyone look stats like you there will be no improvement to the game. look at shaq, he use to be shooting 0.2- 0.3 ft and before he retires he was shooting around 0.6 - 0.8 which was a good improvement. obviously u dun know where to find a game by game stats 2 or 3 year even 5-6 years back. all u had been providing are what i can find easily on the net
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
@09MrRedblade how bout james having 3ppg in the 4th quarter of the nba finals LOL
gustar245 6 months ago
@gustar245 lebron = joker.
09MrRedblade 6 months ago
U COULD ONLY PLAY MAN 2 MAN in MJ's ERA. THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta hey...u sayin it was only man 2 man in in jordan's era...yeah rite..nd wat else do u knw abt his era..ever heard abt handchking...it was more physical..it was difficult to take foul but still MJ took more free throws than kobe..nw u cant even touch a guy nw..have u ever seen hw they used to double nd triple him....but sill he scored..if sum 1 says kobe better than MJ..then he dont knw basketball...nd plz stop this shit..hour ago i posted 6 comments nd shutted the mouth of kobe fans!!!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey YOU'RE an IDIOT. since the HAND CHECK RULE HAS BEEN OUT POINTS PPG ONLY WENT UP 1 POINT OOOOOOOO BIG DEAL! UUUUUUUUM I remember KOBE getting DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED ALSO SOOOOO WTF ARE U SAYING?????? and he still does.. more double than tripl with the treats on like Pau etc. ONCE OPON A TIME WEN HE HAD KWAME BROWN AS STARTING CENTER!! HE GOT TRIPLE TEAMED ALOT.. and he still had stretches like 9 STRAIGHT 40+ point games. 5 STRAIGHT 50+ point games etc. I can shut u up COMPLETELY
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey IF U STILL WANNA TALK. an YES IT WAS TOUGHER BACK THEN BUT NOT AS ATHLETIC AS IT IS NOW. THERE ARE SO MANY PLAYERS THAT ARE GREAT NOT LIKE THE HANDFUL BACK THEN. AND ABOUT THE RULES, THEY ARE SOFTER BUT REALLY!!! HOW MANY TIME DO THEY ACTUALLY CALL SOMETHING?????? OTHER THAT TECHS
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta look man.first of all m myself a kobe n wade fan..but it's wrong to say he's better i have seen both the era's kaobe has played against more athletic players..but jordans era was dominated by centres.n those rules made them unstoppable.they could just block ne1..nd please go nd see sum videos or ask analysts..at that tym ppl just used to hold each other nd foul wasn't called.dude u knw thats a big myth that there were no great players or athletic 1 ...coz u dont knw ne1 except Mj
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@YoungBeta dude just dont talk abt 50+ games..joradn has 39 50+ games..i dont wanna bring up stats coz that's wat u kobe fans dont like, u'll pee in ur pants man..wen jordan entered the league his team mates were worse than kwame..he scored 63 against great celtics but still lost the match..look at the team nw..MJ made grant n pippen better.JORDAN RULES is name of defence on hw the used to guard him check out the vdo.they used to commit such hard fouls nd no1 was ejected.it was very hard to scor
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey BLAH BLAH BLAH u can bring up stats. You would have to bring up Wilt and Russell stats does that make them better????? Jordans team was worse than Kobe's team? are u serious?? its AT LEAST A TIE. KWAME BROWN WAS STARTING!!!!! SMUSH PARKER??? WHERE IS HE NOW????? LAMAR ODOM WAS THE MOST INCONSISTENT PLAYER AND HE WAS THEY'RE 2nd best player smh. Jordan never went to the finals WITHOUT PIPPEN. PIPPEN MADE THE FINALS WITHOUT JORADAN but I digress. I loved how no 1 was ejected during
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta dude m talkin abt MJ's team in late 80's...it was realy bad..when pippen nd grant came into the league their fg% was arnd 30% n neither was pippen a good defender..jordan scored 63 aginst celtics but still his team lost..nd ur rite they all could have played..but MJ, barkley, magic nd all could have played 2day as well!!..greatness is nt all abt stats..its also abt impact on the game..MJ revolutionized the game.Kobe's,wade's, lbj game is all based on MJ's..he's like their daddyy!!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey im not denying they could play in this era but there are more players 2day that could play back then than past players could play now. AND OH HELL NO!!!! LBJ game is NOT comparable to MJ, more like Magic. and wade is unique. Kobe is most like MJ. but Kobe is the 1st Kobe not the nxt MJ
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta yeah i agree kobe is kobe..there will nt be any else, nd Mj is mj there wont be any else..1 thing's for sure THEY ARE THE GREATEST SHOOTING GUARDS TO EVER PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@YoungBeta Nd hey one more myth dont knw y every1 thinks that kobe's a better shooter...his fg% is less than jordan's nd so does his efg% which even takes three's in account as well..well m nt sayin MJ was a better shooter..but u can tell me the reason coz many ppl say kobe's a better shooter..nd m nt sarcastic..
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey LBJ has better FG% then Kobe. But talking FG% is including drives to the basket AND WE ALL know Kobe is a better shooter than LBJ.
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta kkk...get it..but dont u think havin higher FG% is better for the team?? nd LBJ is also just like kobe but the things where excels is mental strength, clutch plays, leadership, n determination...while on other hand they both equally athletic, fast n powerful enough nd both play equally good defence..
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey NO WAY LBJ is clearly the better physical specimen. he has speed, hops, quicks, strength, etc. he's a freak OF NATURE. Kobe is not that young anymore but he can still get the job done. a great FG% is whats ideal for you team but u HAVE to show up when it counts not just in the regular season like LBJ does and then fizzles out when it counts. Kobe is not as young as wade or bron he's not gonna put up crazy numbers all season he actually paces himself to be his Black Mamba self
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta yeah....rite LBJ is great...he has that build that athleticism nd overall skills...al he nneds to improve is his jumoshot nd he's clutch....clutch is all abt being mentally tough nd that killer insict like MJ nd KObe...he can perform though..no doubt bout that..
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey in the post season wen it matters. I can truely say Lakers hit "the wall" in last years playoffs, they clearly didnt look like themselves. it was indeed embarrassing. But it was the Mavs year congrats to them. all this rest is whats needed 4 LA
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta ya rite...in playoofs it matters...ya they didnt look like themselves...it happen in sports..nd mavs reaaly rocked!!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey yea thats y im not takin anything away 4rm the MAVS they took that series. Congrats to them
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta OHH yeahh....Nowizki is great nd so is Jason Kidd n Jason Terry!!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey yea im happy they finally got their ring
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta ohhh yeah...the best part is they defeated miami...they had their revenge....2006 NBA finals was a nightmare for them..
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
Respond to this video..PIppen never made to the finals without jordan..who told u that man...nd yeah wilt nd ruusel are in top 5 of all tym...but MJ's greatest coz like russel he made his team better..he won rings, he scored like wilt nd played grt defence too..MJ always elevated his game in postseasons..nd u knw kobe never showed this quality..mj even scored 40 points nd even 50 point in finals, hit game winner in finals..that's y he's goat..he always elevated his play when required most...
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey No im talking based on stats. of coure u would put MJ over them but you are talking stats
YoungBeta 7 months ago
Respond to this video...nd also 1 reason he's better than wilt nd russel apart frm other reasons i have given is in thier era there were only few teams..nd u sya kobe's 1 on 1 is good, then i say MJ was the best slasher in nba history..with those rules nd with such talented centres he performed so well, so in 2days era he could continuosly attack the rim unlike kobe nd lebron nd could take so many free throws by being fouled out..nd u think 1 on 1 wasn't tough with starks, moncrief nd the likes?
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey Kobe is a better shooter than MJ that is y he would have succeeds over those defenders he would continue to bring out the defense than drive and finish wen need be
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta k
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@YoungBeta abt kobe all i can say is he has the same hunger nd the drive like MJ..nd even he makes his team better with his leadership..no doubt he's grt..may be he'll topple every1 later. like u i always felt that earlier the game was very slow, guys were not athletic.it's all a myth dude..its coz of quality of vdo it looks like this, i have seen all the mj games nd trust me, it was much difficult to score that tym nd those ppl really kicked ass..they were also very good..go nd see sum matches!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@YoungBeta oh man absolutely..i saw that post of ur's nw..KObe's great no doubt...even i dont knw y ppl hate him???he won 2 back to back championship on his own, stil many hate him..dont knw y..for me kobe nd wade are the best in league...many hate him coz they think he's a rapist...lol...they suck!!!nd my fav dunk in a match is also of kobe in which he puts the ball behind the back nd BAMMMM 360 jam!!! KObe's one of the greatest!!
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey those day and it was hard to score for players BACK THEN but LETS BE HONEST. YOU PUT WADE, BRON, MELO, etc. BACK THEY WOULD SCORE. KOBE's GAME IS 1 on 1 and if that is all you could play.....................
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@YoungBeta talkin on athletic players..i'll name some isiah,hardaway,dumars,dominique,clyde,danny ainge, russel barkley etc etc nd its a endless list man..its a myth nothin else..ppl dont realize their greatness as they lived in MJ's shadow..kobe's in top 10 all tym..greatest 2day but wrong to say he's better than MJ..its insult to other players too like kareem nd all..i like kobe too no doubt..maybe u shld bring up this topic when he retires, maybe he'll topple every1 then.....anything else.
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey I nvr said Kobe was better than MJ im just saying you cant deny how great Kobe is thats all. He get discredited as much as he gets love for his skill but hey in the end we can weigh the truth right.
YoungBeta 7 months ago
@notoriousshrey contd..i used to think the same when i watched those old vdos..ppl look slow in them..but they were also very athletic..defenders like payton,starks,moncrief,russel were like nightmare fr perimeter shooters, MJ's era was blessed with greatest centres of all tym..nw u just have howard who trains with olajuwon..MJ played against olajuwon his entire carrer..it was jujst MJ's legacy that nt many ppl knw abt them.i can give u a endless list man.nd go nd see sum HD vdos nt those old 1s
notoriousshrey 7 months ago
Hmmm, let's see:
Kobe in game-winning or game-tying shot attempts in the regular season is 37-117(31.6%), and 7-25(28%) in the playoffs.
Jordan is 33-58(56.9%) in the regular season, and 9-18(50%) in the playoffs.
Please tell me how those two are comparable...
jessegladsaget 7 months ago
I think Phil should stop smoking crack! Makes him say a lot of stupid things such as this one haha!
jetgarcia33 7 months ago 2
why dont u fix your fuckin headline thier 24MVaidez . funny how u didnt add "in clutch situations"
LilSox11 9 months ago
key phrase "IN clutch situations". MJ was the best overall basketball player consistently throughout games.
SupernovaPaul 11 months ago
@SupernovaPaul Yeah no one said not.
Electivity 10 months ago
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wilhwng 1 year ago
Kobe will never be the same as michael will never have another Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan forever the gratest
mj234595 2 years ago
@mj234595 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was better than the both dude.
WiltatKansas 1 year ago
@mj234595
wow I didn't know God had a YouTube account and telling us the future
unioncity 1 year ago