"With 20-30 Million illegals in this nation, added to the 30 million already here legaly, your people could have revolted and taken back your land from the slums that run it" My family settled in New Mexico from Spain in the 1700's, and there are millons more hispancs who trace their roots in USA just as far back if not farther. So, uh, excuse me, but the USA is "my land" just as much as it is anyone elses.
"My family settled in New Mexico from Spain in the 1700's, and there are millons more hispancs who trace their roots in USA just as far back if not farther. So, uh, excuse me, but the USA is "my land" just as much as it is anyone elses. "
As a legal citizen, your more than welcome anywhere in this nation you choose. This is your nation, just as it is mine. I was referring to the people who use the "Mexico is slums" speech to justify illegal immigration...
And you do realize that many illegal immigration supporters would call you an illegal immigrant as well. They call the pioneers of the 1600s to the present illegals because they immigrated to the nation. Beings as we know when Immigration was federalized, why would you agree with people who claim your an illegal immigrant?
See why so many people are pissed? It has little to do with the color of the skin, it has everything to do with national laws being snuffed.
And as for the illegal-legal ratio, INS' best estimate is 13 million illegals out of 44million hispanics. But really who cares, because the only thing that argument is good for is deciding whether or not harassing people based on skin color is okay. To me that is a question of morals, not statistics. It's just sad that so many Americans disagree with me on that point.
"And as for the illegal-legal ratio, INS' best estimate is 13 million illegals out of 44million hispanics"
The US census statistics show for the 2000 numbers to be more than 20 million "Undocumented Hispanics" and thats only the number of illegals that responded. Even at your 13 million to 44 million ratio, that's still more than 1/4 of all Hispanics being illegal to this nation. Does that sound ok to you?
"But really who cares, because the only thing that argument is good for is deciding whether or not harassing people based on skin color is okay."
How is deporting illegal immigrants harassing people based on their skin color? So what you think is that because most Illegal immigrants to this nation are from the southern border, its not fair to deport them unless we can deport another nationality equally?
"To me that is a question of morals, not statistics. It's just sad that so many Americans disagree with me on that point. "
Because you dont see that its also a question of morals for legal citizens of this nation. Many see it as them not obeying the laws of the nation they are running to. people like to make videos about racists who use immigration as a stand against Mexicans...
But many more Americans see that when an illegal alien buys a Social Security, or Identity on the streets for 2000, that identity can be an actual persons identity, a legal citizen. They flood the borders, come to this nation, steal identities to survive, and in the end, severely undercut the pay scale so legal citizens are forced out of work, because why would anyone pay more for labor, when theres ample amounts of people who WILL take WAY less, because their illegal citizens?
No you are wrong or the INS lies. A report leaked from WIKI from the Congressional Research Service estimated in 2007 there were 22.1 Million illegal aliens in America. That is a conservative underestimate IMO.
braahhp360, so illegal immigrants are to blame for dumbasses who go around harassing people based on the color of thier skin? And if you want to know why they "call the people who abide by our laws redneck and racist" take a look at FucyouMexishit's channel and the videos that he has on there. Illegals are not to blame for ignorant people's hate.
"so illegal immigrants are to blame for dumbasses who go around harassing people based on the color of thier skin?"
Partially, yes. If we did not have 20 million Illegals here that look like Mexicans, the ignorant would not have anything to bitch about right? Sure, there are racists, but when you flood a nation with people illegally of a single nationality, they have essentially painted a target for racists.
"And if you want to know why they "call the people who abide by our laws redneck and racist"... Illegals are not to blame for ignorant people's hate."
Illegals are to blame for the hate shown to them about their illegal immigration status. As I said, there are always racists, but not everyone is.
mexicans arent the only immigrants in americans idiot white shits CANADIANS EUROPEANS ASIANS omg you guys are really dumb you should be thankful if it werent for mexicans the white mans job would have never been done...
The ignorance in your post astounds me. Canadians are not flooding the borders ILLEGALLY like the Mexican border. Most people who come to this nation have papers to do so. The people who dont, are not welcome here.
"you should be thankful if it werent for mexicans the white mans job would have never been done"
You mean like how legal citizens did the work before we had 50 million lawn mowers?
hey fuckin rednecks! im mexican and im in united states...come deport me hoes! ill probably take bout 100 border patrols life before they get me! and if they do question every single hispanic if they illegal...best beleive theres gonna be a fuckin war...da first person ill target is obama...and take da rest of border patrol out wit my Romanian Dragunov sniper bro...so bring it sister fuckers
I guess you think only rednecks know and abide by the laws of our nation?
If your an Illegal alien in this country, you risk the possibility of deportation. As for asking every Hispanic their legal status, if your an illegal alien, then you are part of the reason for that scenario. If there weren't 20 million illegal Mexicans here, the legal ones would never have to deal with it.
And really? A sniper riffle? No reason to think illegals are a threat huh?...
i aint a illegal alien lol WTF? who thought of alien and second yeah whatever gun i got...i fuckin kill yall muthafuckers...i dont care if its right or not...this world will never be perfect my friend, but rednecks think so lmao
Did you not say "come deport me!"? If your not an illegal alien, why would you need to be deported? (So you know, an illegal immigrant to the united states is called an "Illegal alien")
I find it funny how you claim one group of people is bad, then claim you will shoot other people, right or wrong. Illegals in this nation are the reason the legal one here get crap too, because the ratio of legal to illegal is unbalanced, not because of racism...
people like you call the people who abide by our laws "rednecks" and "racists" simply to divert the attention from the reason illegals are here with no legal right to be. The simple fact is, Hispanics get the most of the "illegal alien" crap because they are 80% of the illegal immigrants to this nation. Just like in the early 1900s, the WHITE Irish caused the first immigration laws, because there were too many coming to the US. If your legal to be here, welcome, if not, get the fuck out...
So you generally label people in groups, not the individual? Do you really think that every American thinks all Hispanics are illegal to this nation?
As I said, the ratio of illegal Hispanics to legal Hispanics is way off. There are as many if not more illegals here than legal citizens. So if you think people are "lumping you all into 1 group" then take that up with the people running over the border illegally.
Why cant that quest for a better life include the attempt at citizenship of the nation they feel they need to be in?
Or better yet, wouldn't it seem smarter to defend the land you live on, instead of running away from it? With 20-30 Million illegals in this nation, added to the 30 million already here legaly, your people could have revolted and taken back your land from the slums that run it (The reason they dont want to be there) Instead of running away?
HAHHA this idiot is missing the early years of illegal immigration as clearly TRUTHTEACHER2007 said...
The English, Spanish and all Europeans are illegal too, they came invading, beating, burning and killing towns, villages and entire tribes... destroying complete civilizations of people whom used to live in balance with the environment and the nature
At the eyes of the History: they are ILLEGAL TOO!!!!
With the exception that the Europeans came to America and won many wars fighting for this land. They didn't come here and scurry into the underbelly of a built society and feed off of our scraps like rats. They fought very hard for this land, and unfortunately, we lost. They didn't come here to mow our lawns and feed us Burritos made of rat and dog off a truck driving around jobsites.
And Illegal means just that, not Legal. Every nation in this world has been overtaken by some other invading foreigner in war. Most Mexicans in Mexico are not native Mexicans, but half breeds of a former invader from Spain. Europeans colonized this land, and have made it what it is today, with the millions of other settlers that have immigrated here legally since this nation made immigration laws (To stop the influx of Irish)
the American Indians are illegals as well, they murdered and exterminated the original inhabitants of the Americas like Kennewick and Stick Man, Luzia etc...They should go the fuck back to Siberia and Mongolia
Our tribe (Skagitian- Upper Skagit Tribe Nez Peirce Tribe) are direct descendants of Kennewick man, who was a descendant of the people who crossed the Siberian bridge.
Luzia was a descendant of our ancestors as well, only from South America.
As for Stickman (or Stick Indian) in our heritage, is a legend of a Spiritual Native taking evil doers of the tribe and killing them.
North America was uninhabited when we got here, we hunted large animals, not people.
Scientific evidence stands against your statement. By all considerations, forensic and physical anthropology has disproven your claim, hence the heated opposition by American Indians to the scientists' publishing of their finds and the court battle which your people lost.
The connotations are obvious, that you can't claim being the first people here when in reality, you yourselves persecuted and exterminated others who were here first.
Can you point me to a study that shows Kennewick man is not a direct ancestor to our people, specifically Nez Perce Indians? As that was one of the first studies done and has been on record for years.
Please point me to where Native Americans were proven not to be the first human inhabitants of this land called North America as well...
Yes, there are several but the one I have available currently in my library is "Ancient encounters" by James Chatters. Also, check out Walter Neves' writings and web references for relating the first Americans to Australoid people (southern Asians, southern Indians, Malays, Aborigines, Melanesians etc...).
On the web, check out Nova's mystery of the first Americans
The first documented case of illegal immigration occurred when dozens of undocumented immigrants landed on the shores of what is today Florida and set up house. They were soon followed by dozens of undocumented English refugees who made their way to an are they called Roanoak and then James Town. Both on land that belonged to the native inhabitants of what we now call Virginia.
Did anyone ever notice that most Mexicans are really Native American peoples??? I'm just sayin...
Our peoples have never had immigration laws. When natives were the only people on this land, there was much free space. Our people were mostly inviting to groups who came to this land by sea. We had no court system or laws of the entire land to clarify illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is a term used to clarify the laws of a land documented by a vote of its people. This land did not have immigration laws until the early 1900s, when too many Irish were coming here, not 300 years before.
There are also Native Mexicans and the Mexicans who are mixed with Spanish, and also former black slaves. Neither of which are related to the hundreds of tribes still in the united states. In the south, the mix of Natives and Mexicans can be found, but their tribes are more represented by Mexicos customs, not really ours.
@disj1987 Illegal immigration started in this continent in 1942 !
rockotto727 1 year ago
"With 20-30 Million illegals in this nation, added to the 30 million already here legaly, your people could have revolted and taken back your land from the slums that run it" My family settled in New Mexico from Spain in the 1700's, and there are millons more hispancs who trace their roots in USA just as far back if not farther. So, uh, excuse me, but the USA is "my land" just as much as it is anyone elses.
disj1987 2 years ago
"My family settled in New Mexico from Spain in the 1700's, and there are millons more hispancs who trace their roots in USA just as far back if not farther. So, uh, excuse me, but the USA is "my land" just as much as it is anyone elses. "
As a legal citizen, your more than welcome anywhere in this nation you choose. This is your nation, just as it is mine. I was referring to the people who use the "Mexico is slums" speech to justify illegal immigration...
braahp360 2 years ago
And you do realize that many illegal immigration supporters would call you an illegal immigrant as well. They call the pioneers of the 1600s to the present illegals because they immigrated to the nation. Beings as we know when Immigration was federalized, why would you agree with people who claim your an illegal immigrant?
See why so many people are pissed? It has little to do with the color of the skin, it has everything to do with national laws being snuffed.
braahp360 2 years ago
And as for the illegal-legal ratio, INS' best estimate is 13 million illegals out of 44million hispanics. But really who cares, because the only thing that argument is good for is deciding whether or not harassing people based on skin color is okay. To me that is a question of morals, not statistics. It's just sad that so many Americans disagree with me on that point.
disj1987 2 years ago
"And as for the illegal-legal ratio, INS' best estimate is 13 million illegals out of 44million hispanics"
The US census statistics show for the 2000 numbers to be more than 20 million "Undocumented Hispanics" and thats only the number of illegals that responded. Even at your 13 million to 44 million ratio, that's still more than 1/4 of all Hispanics being illegal to this nation. Does that sound ok to you?
braahp360 2 years ago
"But really who cares, because the only thing that argument is good for is deciding whether or not harassing people based on skin color is okay."
How is deporting illegal immigrants harassing people based on their skin color? So what you think is that because most Illegal immigrants to this nation are from the southern border, its not fair to deport them unless we can deport another nationality equally?
braahp360 2 years ago
"To me that is a question of morals, not statistics. It's just sad that so many Americans disagree with me on that point. "
Because you dont see that its also a question of morals for legal citizens of this nation. Many see it as them not obeying the laws of the nation they are running to. people like to make videos about racists who use immigration as a stand against Mexicans...
braahp360 2 years ago
But many more Americans see that when an illegal alien buys a Social Security, or Identity on the streets for 2000, that identity can be an actual persons identity, a legal citizen. They flood the borders, come to this nation, steal identities to survive, and in the end, severely undercut the pay scale so legal citizens are forced out of work, because why would anyone pay more for labor, when theres ample amounts of people who WILL take WAY less, because their illegal citizens?
braahp360 2 years ago
@disj1987
No you are wrong or the INS lies. A report leaked from WIKI from the Congressional Research Service estimated in 2007 there were 22.1 Million illegal aliens in America. That is a conservative underestimate IMO.
TerrierToughGuy 1 year ago
braahhp360, so illegal immigrants are to blame for dumbasses who go around harassing people based on the color of thier skin? And if you want to know why they "call the people who abide by our laws redneck and racist" take a look at FucyouMexishit's channel and the videos that he has on there. Illegals are not to blame for ignorant people's hate.
disj1987 2 years ago
"so illegal immigrants are to blame for dumbasses who go around harassing people based on the color of thier skin?"
Partially, yes. If we did not have 20 million Illegals here that look like Mexicans, the ignorant would not have anything to bitch about right? Sure, there are racists, but when you flood a nation with people illegally of a single nationality, they have essentially painted a target for racists.
braahp360 2 years ago
"And if you want to know why they "call the people who abide by our laws redneck and racist"... Illegals are not to blame for ignorant people's hate."
Illegals are to blame for the hate shown to them about their illegal immigration status. As I said, there are always racists, but not everyone is.
braahp360 2 years ago
mexicans arent the only immigrants in americans idiot white shits CANADIANS EUROPEANS ASIANS omg you guys are really dumb you should be thankful if it werent for mexicans the white mans job would have never been done...
M3xican0mx01 2 years ago
"mexicans arent the only immigrants in americans"
The ignorance in your post astounds me. Canadians are not flooding the borders ILLEGALLY like the Mexican border. Most people who come to this nation have papers to do so. The people who dont, are not welcome here.
"you should be thankful if it werent for mexicans the white mans job would have never been done"
You mean like how legal citizens did the work before we had 50 million lawn mowers?
braahp360 2 years ago
and by the way, for the record, I am a legal migrant to the US myself
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
hey fuckin rednecks! im mexican and im in united states...come deport me hoes! ill probably take bout 100 border patrols life before they get me! and if they do question every single hispanic if they illegal...best beleive theres gonna be a fuckin war...da first person ill target is obama...and take da rest of border patrol out wit my Romanian Dragunov sniper bro...so bring it sister fuckers
imwithstupid4 2 years ago
@imwithstupid4
y obama?
marloon5 2 years ago
I guess you think only rednecks know and abide by the laws of our nation?
If your an Illegal alien in this country, you risk the possibility of deportation. As for asking every Hispanic their legal status, if your an illegal alien, then you are part of the reason for that scenario. If there weren't 20 million illegal Mexicans here, the legal ones would never have to deal with it.
And really? A sniper riffle? No reason to think illegals are a threat huh?...
braahp360 2 years ago
i aint a illegal alien lol WTF? who thought of alien and second yeah whatever gun i got...i fuckin kill yall muthafuckers...i dont care if its right or not...this world will never be perfect my friend, but rednecks think so lmao
imwithstupid4 2 years ago
@imwithstupid4
Did you not say "come deport me!"? If your not an illegal alien, why would you need to be deported? (So you know, an illegal immigrant to the united states is called an "Illegal alien")
I find it funny how you claim one group of people is bad, then claim you will shoot other people, right or wrong. Illegals in this nation are the reason the legal one here get crap too, because the ratio of legal to illegal is unbalanced, not because of racism...
braahp360 2 years ago
people like you call the people who abide by our laws "rednecks" and "racists" simply to divert the attention from the reason illegals are here with no legal right to be. The simple fact is, Hispanics get the most of the "illegal alien" crap because they are 80% of the illegal immigrants to this nation. Just like in the early 1900s, the WHITE Irish caused the first immigration laws, because there were too many coming to the US. If your legal to be here, welcome, if not, get the fuck out...
braahp360 2 years ago
yeah i said that...everyone thinks that if they see a hispanic, they illegal, so mind as well come and try
imwithstupid4 2 years ago
So you generally label people in groups, not the individual? Do you really think that every American thinks all Hispanics are illegal to this nation?
As I said, the ratio of illegal Hispanics to legal Hispanics is way off. There are as many if not more illegals here than legal citizens. So if you think people are "lumping you all into 1 group" then take that up with the people running over the border illegally.
braahp360 2 years ago
i aint gonna hate on my people that try to get a better life...why would I? thats fuckin retarded
imwithstupid4 2 years ago
Why cant that quest for a better life include the attempt at citizenship of the nation they feel they need to be in?
Or better yet, wouldn't it seem smarter to defend the land you live on, instead of running away from it? With 20-30 Million illegals in this nation, added to the 30 million already here legaly, your people could have revolted and taken back your land from the slums that run it (The reason they dont want to be there) Instead of running away?
braahp360 2 years ago
"i aint gonna hate on my people that try to get a better life...why would I?"
Because it makes your point that much less valid?
braahp360 2 years ago
Agree with you, wow! you have the truth and absolute wisdom...
God forgive them atrocities!!!
Kaguamax 2 years ago
HAHHA this idiot is missing the early years of illegal immigration as clearly TRUTHTEACHER2007 said...
The English, Spanish and all Europeans are illegal too, they came invading, beating, burning and killing towns, villages and entire tribes... destroying complete civilizations of people whom used to live in balance with the environment and the nature
At the eyes of the History: they are ILLEGAL TOO!!!!
God forgive them atrocities!!!
Kaguamax 2 years ago
With the exception that the Europeans came to America and won many wars fighting for this land. They didn't come here and scurry into the underbelly of a built society and feed off of our scraps like rats. They fought very hard for this land, and unfortunately, we lost. They didn't come here to mow our lawns and feed us Burritos made of rat and dog off a truck driving around jobsites.
braahp360 2 years ago
And Illegal means just that, not Legal. Every nation in this world has been overtaken by some other invading foreigner in war. Most Mexicans in Mexico are not native Mexicans, but half breeds of a former invader from Spain. Europeans colonized this land, and have made it what it is today, with the millions of other settlers that have immigrated here legally since this nation made immigration laws (To stop the influx of Irish)
Its illegal because of our laws, not ur ideals.
braahp360 2 years ago
@Kaguamax
the American Indians are illegals as well, they murdered and exterminated the original inhabitants of the Americas like Kennewick and Stick Man, Luzia etc...They should go the fuck back to Siberia and Mongolia
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
@shitonMOHAMMAD
Our tribe (Skagitian- Upper Skagit Tribe Nez Peirce Tribe) are direct descendants of Kennewick man, who was a descendant of the people who crossed the Siberian bridge.
Luzia was a descendant of our ancestors as well, only from South America.
As for Stickman (or Stick Indian) in our heritage, is a legend of a Spiritual Native taking evil doers of the tribe and killing them.
North America was uninhabited when we got here, we hunted large animals, not people.
braahp360 2 years ago
Scientific evidence stands against your statement. By all considerations, forensic and physical anthropology has disproven your claim, hence the heated opposition by American Indians to the scientists' publishing of their finds and the court battle which your people lost.
The connotations are obvious, that you can't claim being the first people here when in reality, you yourselves persecuted and exterminated others who were here first.
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
Can you point me to a study that shows Kennewick man is not a direct ancestor to our people, specifically Nez Perce Indians? As that was one of the first studies done and has been on record for years.
Please point me to where Native Americans were proven not to be the first human inhabitants of this land called North America as well...
braahp360 2 years ago
Yes, there are several but the one I have available currently in my library is "Ancient encounters" by James Chatters. Also, check out Walter Neves' writings and web references for relating the first Americans to Australoid people (southern Asians, southern Indians, Malays, Aborigines, Melanesians etc...).
On the web, check out Nova's mystery of the first Americans
shitonMOHAMMAD 2 years ago
The first documented case of illegal immigration occurred when dozens of undocumented immigrants landed on the shores of what is today Florida and set up house. They were soon followed by dozens of undocumented English refugees who made their way to an are they called Roanoak and then James Town. Both on land that belonged to the native inhabitants of what we now call Virginia.
Did anyone ever notice that most Mexicans are really Native American peoples??? I'm just sayin...
TRUTHTEACHER2007 2 years ago
Our peoples have never had immigration laws. When natives were the only people on this land, there was much free space. Our people were mostly inviting to groups who came to this land by sea. We had no court system or laws of the entire land to clarify illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is a term used to clarify the laws of a land documented by a vote of its people. This land did not have immigration laws until the early 1900s, when too many Irish were coming here, not 300 years before.
braahp360 2 years ago
There are also Native Mexicans and the Mexicans who are mixed with Spanish, and also former black slaves. Neither of which are related to the hundreds of tribes still in the united states. In the south, the mix of Natives and Mexicans can be found, but their tribes are more represented by Mexicos customs, not really ours.
braahp360 2 years ago
Dear braahp360...... do you know what sarcasm is? ...... Just askin is all......
TRUTHTEACHER2007 2 years ago