L'Europe à soutenir Israël, un pays non-musulman au Moyen-Orient, le seul
Les musulmans de conquérir le monde
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@herbijidersim NO dont 'fcuk use' please, some of us support palestine (like the muslim converts, like ME) americans dont know anything about palestine, so please dont believe all that. the only americans who know anything about israel and palestine are the government people who take our money to pay for this worthless war.
@herbijidersim NO dont 'fuck use' please, some of us support palestine (like the muslim converts, like ME) americans dont know anything about palestine, so please dont believe all that. the only americans who know anything about israel and palestine are the government people who take our money to pay for this worthless war.
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idc w.e and whereever a jew does aslong as they r out of america and europe thats fine caz we dont want those kikes ruining the white culture usa is multi-cultural because of these cancers.muslims are corrupted themselves
so if jews come or not they will be the same but jews have gotta get out of the western world with the help of skiheads,neo nazi and kkk
i'm a christian and i respect every religion, i think this song is a great way to send a message across, the genre it was made in will make it more attractive to younger generations, so they will listen to the message.
tbh terrorist is such an overused word for islam ok anybody can be a terroirst yoou know people think it is always asians but it can be white black brown so why do people juist assume asians are terroists plz think b4 you say things
@chained2it Kind of hard to produce anything when your factories are bombed to shit by an evil regime, you are given no control of your economic policy, and entry into your territory is strictly controlled.
@Zggrt443 Kind of hard to build an economy when you are more concerned with self-defeating "resistance" than building a nation. If Hamas was concerned with Gaza's economy, they would stop using factories to build weapons and attacking Israel with them, knowing full well that Israel will retaliate and destroy their factories. And if they are interested in easing restrictions, then perhaps launching a rocket campaign on Israelis after they pulled out the settlers was not a wise idea either
@Zggrt443 If you want to boycott Israeli goods, then get off your computer. Its full of Israeli-invented technology. And do not use cell phones. They are an Israeli invention
@Zggrt443 Do I have "evidence"? Look it up. Its common knowledge. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola. Voice mail technology was also developed there. So was technology for the Pentium microchip.
The problem with boycotting companies with dealt with the Nazis is that every last person in those companies who was responsible is dead. So who are you punishing? Innocent people trying to make a living. Companies are not living entities. They are made of people
@Zggrt443 My comments about boycotting Israel was sarcastic, or did that go over your head? Boycotts, etc, will do absolutely nothing to achieve peace. It is a highly complicated conflict, and the Palestinians have their share of the blame for it as well. Boycotts are not going to convince Hamas to make peace
Boycotting of Israeli exports sends a message which, if it gathers enough momentum, can actually have a trememndous effect. The International boycotts on South Africa in the final days of the Apartheid era is a good example of this.
Why should Hamas 'make peace'?(as if they are the chief aggressors!) I ask this of course, with Fatah's more conciliatory stance in mind, and Israel's consequent sanctioning of illegal jewish settlements in the West Bank.
@Zggrt443 South Africa & Israel are poor comparisons. with far different dynamics at work. South Africa was a creation of European colonialism created to benefit the British & Dutch motherlands. Israel was created by refugees fleeing genocide, & later joined by other refugees driven out of Arab nations they lived in. In Jewish eyes, Israel's existence is a matter of Jewish survival, not colonial exploitation for a foreign empire. Until you understand the Israeli mentality, you'll get nowhere
You are wrong here. The modern state of South Africa, as created by Dutch and Huegenot settlement (which would later consolidate in the Oranje Vrystaat and the Traansvaal under the Afrikaaners as the inhabitants would come to call themselves) was also founded by a people fleeing persecution in Europe, a strong sense of entitlement to the land based on religious conviction and as a means of survival for a particular religious group. Holland did not benefit.
@Zggrt443 The Huegenots were not a people who had been driven from nation to nation for thousands of years, persecuted almost everywhere they went. The Heugenots had no historical and cultural ties to the land they settled in. And they exploited the indigenous population from the beginning. That has no similarity to Jewish settlement in Palestine. Palestinians initiated the violence, not Jews None of them were driven from their homes until the war of 1948, which they also initiated.
@Zggrt443 You seem to forget that Israel was created by a UN vote, a vote which also called for a Palestinian state. But on the day after israel declared its independence, it was invaded by 5 Arab nations, setting the stage for decades of conflict and mistrust, Israel won and took more land, but most of the land designated fro Palestine was annexed by Egypt and Jordan instead, creating a people in a perpetual status as refugees. Those Arabs left behind in Israel were given full citizenship
This has the potential to go on for days, however I have actually come to agree with you on some points you have made in regards to Israel. However, returning to the original comment I would still argue that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians (specifically Use of white phosphorous, seizure UN of aid ships, closure of evacuation points, cutting off of water, power, hindrance of medical supplies, and an overall disproportionate response) warrants a boycott.
@Zggrt443 Boycotts are empty gestures designed to make people like you feel they are doing something. And where were your boycotts when Gaza was raining rockets and mortars on a daily basis on Israeli civilians for years, AFTER they had withdrawn all the settlers from Gaza? That is precisely was provoked Israel's actions. But as usual, when the Palestinians take actions that make peace impossible, people of your political persuasion remain hypocritically silent
This discussion is fruitless. Your continuous attempt to portray the jews as poor, oppressed victims, always nobly seeking peace only reacting when their efforts are thwarted by the 'warlike' Palestinians is laughable and deserving only of scorn.
You hysterically cry out about all the times Palestinian leaders have walked away from the bargaining table, but not once here have you mentioned that at the time of al-Nakba, Jews owned less than 7 per cent of the land, made up a third of the population and yet over half of the land of Palestine was assigned to the Jewish state. During the 1947-48 war, Israel forcibly occupied greater expanses of land expelling some 750,000 Palestinians.
Today, 92 percent of the land that makes up Israel is historically Palestinian.Why should Hamas compromise with an occupying power when they are ever mindful of what they once possessed and what rightfully belongs to them? Expecting the victims to be satisfied with the crumbs from the table is unjust and foolish optimism.
You talk of the Arab massacre of Jews in the 20s but where do you mention the massacres of Palestinians at Al abbasiyya, Haifa, Beer Sheeba and Jish to name but a few?
You talk of Hamas desire to wipe out Israel yet fail to mention Ben-Gurions speech of 1938, wherein he stated:after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel.
You talk of Hamas bringing terror to Israeli civilians but gloss over Israels use of torture against the Palestinians(long documented by Amnesty International), their disproportionate bombardment of Gaza with its high civilian cost and use of weapons such as white phosphorous, which was condemned by the UN-
Your talk of connection to the land is bogus. The state of Israel has no right to exist. A false state inhabited by a people with a false sense of entitlement based on myth and pseudo-history. A state promised to these people by the British to curry favour with American Jews who could bring Germany into the First World War, and who saw Palestine, then under Ottoman rule, as another place to guard the Suez Canal.
A Jew is a jew is a jew. Always quick to point out your own peoples suffering but always quick to brush over the suffering you have brought to others. Your duplicity and parasitism have seen you expelled from multiple lands in Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and Asia, yet it is always the fault of the Anti-Semites. If you cannot see how the treatment of Palestinians warrants a boycott of Israel, then continuing this conversation is pointless.
@Zggrt443 Ahhh, so when confronted enough you show your true colors. "A Jew is a jew is a jew". So now this becomes an issue of stereotypes and racist slanders, all the while pretending that you hold such principles views against racism and injustice. And now you blame the victims of racism for their own persecution? Its the fault of a small vulnerable minority when the dominant culture of the nations they live in persecute them? I see. And do you have such views with OTHER peoples? Racist troll
@Zggrt443 Yes, it was the Jews fault when the Spanish Inquisition tortured, murdered, and expelled them. Their "crime" is that they were allies of the Muslims who ruled Spain for the previous centuries.
And of course it was the fault of the Jews when thousands were burned alive because superstitious Europeans believed they had consorted with the devil to create the Black Plague. Or when Henry VIII avoided repaying back his Jewish creditors by just expelling all England's Jews, robbing them all
@Zggrt443 No right to exist, according to WHOM? By what standard? Israel has as much right to exist as ANY nation does. Myth and psuedo-history? Says who? You? I'll leave the myth-making to Muslims who forget middle eastern history predates Islam.
As for WW1, you mean Jews would bring the USA into the war, not Germany, genius. And THAT is a myth. By WHAT means could American Jews get the USA into the war, hmm? Few American Jews were even Zionists
@Zggrt443 The Balfour Delaration was in exchange for the Rothchilds and other wealthy Jewish banking families helping Britain finance the war - and for forming the Jewish Legion, a unit of Jewish volunteers to fight for the British against the Turks in the mideast.
It was basically "help us defeat the Turks and we'll help you create a state within its former empire".
That's the exact same deal they made with the Hashemites, which resulted in the creation of Jordan, which never existed before
@Zggrt443 The UN also condemned Hamas, which you fail to mention. But exactly what is "disproportionate" force? Since when is a defender obligated to restrain his defense to the level of force used by his attacker, thereby allow the attacker to determine the response? Is that an effective national defense strategy for ANY nation? The purpose of retaliatory force is to DETER future attacks (which it did), which can ONLY be accomplished by making the price higher than the enemy is willing to pay
@Zggrt443 You ignore the fact that Hamas intentionally sabotaged an opportunity for peace, and responded to Israel's withdrawl from Gaza in a manner that made the withdrawal appear to be a mistake in the eyes of Israelis, and for which they KNEW Israel would retaliate harshly. Hamas was intentionally targeting Israeli civilians, and the primary obligation of the Israeli government is to protect its citizens. at any cost. If you dont want the consequences of war, dont start one
@Zggrt443 Beer Sheeba? Are you referring to the massacre by the Australians in 1918? What did that have to do with Jews?
Other massacres you mentioned was committed by Jewish militant groups is campaigns in RESPONSE to the Arab riots of 1936 and the Hebron massacre of 1929, among others. And others occurred during the war.
Show me a legit source for this alleged Ben Gurion quote. Even if he said this, it was in the aftermath of 1936, which changed EVERYthing
@Zggrt443 What exactly is "historically Palestinian"? There has never been a nation called Palestine. it had been a region of the Ottoman Empire for the previous 400 years. Before that it passed from one empire to another- various Arab empire, the Crusaders, Persians, Byzantines/Romans, etc. The only independent nations that ever stood there were Judea and Israel, Palestine is the name Rome gave to Judea to crush Jewish nationalism. "Palestinians" NEVER controlled the land
@Zggrt443 The partition plan was the FIRST time a Palestinian state has EVER been proposed in HISTORY. Adn by YOUR logic, the Jews should demand every inch of what was once THEIRS. The modern state of Israel is a fraction of the ancient one. The question is about finding a reasonable peaceful settlement for 2 conflicting claims
@Zggrt443 The only hysterical one is you. Jews owned 7%. How much did PALESTINIANS own, hmm? Many "palestinians" were immigrants from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan - no more native born than Zionists. The land was divided EVENLY, designed to create 2 VIABLE states with water supply, sea ports, and farmable land. In fact, much fertile land was CREATED by Zionist settlers They created almost all the modern infrastructure of Palestine - highways, electricity, plumbing, schools, hospitals, etc.
@Zggrt443 Israel took more land during the 1948 war, yes. They expelled some who fought against them, and others they feared would, and many left of their own accord to make way for advancing Arab armies. The MAJORITY of Palestinians were NOT expelled, and today more of them live within the borders of Israel than did in 1948.
Meanwhile, almost all Jews in Palestine in 1948 were refugees from Europe, joined later by many of the nearly MILLION Jews driven from ARAB lands in the 50s & 60s
@Zggrt443 But what you fail to mention is that MOST of the land designated for a Palestinian state was taken in the 1948 war, not by ISRAEL, but by JORDAN (the Wet Bank) and EGYPT (gaza). Jordan did not even relinquish its claim to the West Bank until 1988. You have a selective memory
@chained2it Palestine Is rightful owners of the land. Muslims had inhabited the land ever since we won the crusades. it was only when JEWS seeked salvage from hitler in WW2 that they came to the muslim land and the muslims said they may stay. now who gives them the right to take the land they were given as refuge, and keep is it as their own? a shit hole of a country known as the USA? No =/
@PSPhacking2009 " Muslims had inhabited the land ever since we won the crusades"
Ah, so its "rightfully" yours because you conquered it? Well then, by your standards, there is no doubt it is rightfully Israel's, is there? Muslims did not say they could stay in Palestine before Israels birth.. Jews purchased land for themselves and settled on it. But there were numerous massacres of Jews there by Muslims. - 1929, 1936, etc, The Arabs started a war and lost. Period
@chained2it read the rest of my comment ¬¬" we did not start a war...germany did with the world, and when the jews were getting masacred NOT by arabs but by christians (who now seem to be their best friends) who did the jews come for salvage? to the muslim land...muslims said they could live there but then the big ass wipe that is america turned it into israel...is that right =D
@PSPhacking2009 Yes, the Jews fled to the middle east. But they were NOT welcomed by most Muslims. Hundreds of Jews were massacred in 1936 and 1929 in Palestine. Speeches were made at the UN after WW2 threatening greater massacres against Jews in Arab nations than happened in Europe if the UN partitioned Palestine. And after Israel was created, nearly all the Jews in Arab lands were expelled or driven out by violence.
@PSPhacking2009 And yes, Arabs DID start a war. I'm not talking about Word War 2 and Germany. I am talking about 1948 when 5 Arab armies invaded Israel the day after it declared independence following the UN partition. Christians have treated Jews poorly in the past. So have Muslims at times. And these days, hatred of Jews comes from the Muslim world. not the Christian world
@PSPhacking2009 America had nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of Israel. I have no idea where you get that notion. America & Israel were not even allies until the 1960s. America did not control the middle east after WW2. Britain did, under a League of Nations mandate. And then they turned over control to the UN, who partitioned Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab one. The Arabs rejected the partition and invaded. America had nothing to do with it
@PSPhacking2009 The USA did not send Jews to Palestine. Persecution in Europe drove Jews there. No one told them to go. And later they were joined by Jews in the Arab world when they become persecuted as well. Where do you think America fits in to any of this, "ass wipe"?
THe colonial element you speak of was a British enterprise, begun when they seized the cape territories so as to have access to the lucrative diamond and gold mines, as well as key port positions on the cae of good hope. The Nasionale Party however, which instituted the Apartheid policy, was an Afrikaaner party. The atrocious actions towards the bantu peoples was justified in the name of Afrikaaner suvival. From this view, the comparison of South Africa and Israel is a fair one.
@Zggrt443 You cannot compare the history and situation of the Huegenots to that of the Jews in Europe. They were persecuted in nearly every nation in Europe for most of that time, almost perpetually, to the point of near extinction.. Especially in the wake of the Holocaust.. Those people quite literally had nowhere else to flee to, and no reason to trust living as a minority in any nation again. THAT is what gave rise to Zionism. THere was no lucrative business of any sort
@chained2it Zionism existed and enjoyed is how Judea was able to organise a boycott of Germany in 1933.
The Huegenots in Europwidespread support among Jewry prior to the Holocaust. That e had a comparable story to that of the Jews, when one considers their smaller numbers and that they had been around for less long a period of time.
South Africa, the apartheid state, was formed from the Boer states and out of the boer mentality. The link to colonialism is a tenuous one.
@Zggrt443 WHAT? There was no such thing as JUDEA in 1933, dolt. You are referring to a famous NY Times headline. It was a METAPHOR. "Judea" meant the Jews. And the Jewish boycott of Germany was so very effective, wasn't it?
You are SEVERELY parsing to compare the Huegenots, an indigenous Christian minority, to a non-Christian people of non-European origin who bore the stigma of "Christ Killers", etc.., who were oppressed in nearly every nation in Europe and subjected to genocide repeatedly
ALLAH ACHBAR! The Palestinians are just helpless children who bore no responsibility for how events unfolded, and the Jews were just evil demons who brushed them aside like toys.
@Zggrt443 "Zionism" had absolutely NOTHING to do with the 1933 boycott. It was organized by groups like the American Jewish Congress, not Zionist groups. Stopping Nazi Germany was in the interests of ALL Jews, whether Zionist or otherwise. Where do you get this crap? And OF COURSE Zionism existed in 1933. Modern Zionism was started by Herzl in the 1890s.
And unlike Jews, the Boers were not denied citizenship in Europe & driven from land to land, & had no connection to the land they settled
@Zggrt443 There is no apartheid policy in Israel. 1/5 of Israeli citizens are Palestinian, and they have the same legal rights as Israeli Jews. The West Bank and Gaza population are not Israeli citizens, and the land is not israel. It is disputed territory whose final status has yet to be settled. Israel did not occupy the lands of any Palestinian state. They occupied lands annexed by Jordan and Egypt. They, not Israel, took the majority of land designated by the UN for Palestine in 1947
@chained2it If you think there is no Apartheid in Israel, I would encourage you to open your mind and read some material from Global Peace and Justice.
Alternatively, I would encourage you to watch CBS special 'exposing Israeli apartheid' on Youtube.
Even Henry Siegman, once the national director of the American Jewish Congress said the comparison to Apartheid South Africa was a just one.
@Zggrt443 I have family in Israel. We are so-called "Arab Jews". I can get DIRECT info about what goes on there, I dont need a report.
ALL comments about "apartheid" are about conditions in the occupied territories, a military occupation zone, NOT in Israel itself. Show me ANYthing claiming Arab citizens of Israel are subjected to "apartheid". There's Palestinian on the Israeli Supreme Court, and he's not the first. Even Jimmy Carter just apologized for his inappropriate use of that word
How is Israel and Apartheid like state? The Israeli identity card which identifies them as either a Jew, a Muslim, or a Christian echoes South Africas population registration act. The snatching of Yemeni Jewish babies from their mothers so they could be adopted out to Ashkenazi families suggests presence of ethnic preference. The campaigns against the marriage between Jews and Non-Jews?
The refusal of citizenship for Gaza or West bank residents that marry Israeli citizens? A Palestinian on the supreme court does not the alter Israels attitude towards other Palestinians There are also Jewish members of the Iranian parliament, yet the Jews are always quick to cry out about Iranian Anti-Semitism.
@Zggrt443 Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza in a DEFENSIVE war against Egypt and Jordan, nations which had annexed those lands yet refused to grant its residents citizenship. It was a cynical strategy to keep them in conflict with Israel, rather than absorb them as Israel absorbed hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled from Muslim nations in the 50s and 60s.
@Zggrt443 Zionist settlements began in the late 19th century. They were legal and peaceful, settling on land they purchased. There was no "atrocious" treatment of the locals. Do you think Palestinians were helpless children unable to defend themselves? Jews were the vulnerable population, not then. And there were massacres of Jews, such as Hebron in 1929, or during the Arab riots of 1920, 1921, and 1936. Thats what led to the emergence of jewish militant groups like the Haganah and Irgun
@Zggrt443 Spare me the rhetoric about "chief aggressors". Demonizing the Israelis and lionizing the Palestinians is a gross oversimplification that does nothing to serve the ends of peace. When I say "make peace", I mean agree to negotiate. Did they not have an opportunity for peace several years ago when Israel pulled all settlers out of Gaza? Instead of taking positive steps in response, they simply took advantage to move their rocket launchers closer and attack civilians deeper into Israel.
@Zggrt443 The only thing those attacks accomplished was to give credibility to the Israeli right wing and prove right all those who are against removing the settlements. If pulling out of Gaza only brought MORE violence to Israel, why would Israel agree to pull out of the West Bank? Israel has said repeatedly that settlements are negotiable in any peace deal. But it has to be NEGOTIATED. The more anyone attempts to strongarm them, the more stubborn they get. That is the reality
@Zggrt443 Unlike South Africa, Israel has many supporters and sympathizers. Israel will not be forced into conceding anything without its legit security issues addressed. Whether you think such issues are legit or not is irrelevant. The Israeli public is what matters. Your approach is backwards. Peace can only be achieved by convincing the warring parties that it is in their interests to make peace. There are many on the Palestinian side who refuse to do so , not just some israelis
@Zggrt443 Why should Hamas make peace? What a naive question. Because the conflict has inflicted decades of misery on their people and only peace will end it. Why else should ANYone make peace? Hamas is belligerent and irresponsible to the welfare of their own people. They take actions they KNOW will invite Israeli retaliation. It is a cynical strategy for which the Palestinians pay dearly. And what has is gotten them? Why should they make peace? Do they ENJOY having Israel's boot on their neck?
Don't be facetious and label me 'naive'. If you are suggesting that I believe Hamas should fight on until every Jew is driven into the sea, then you are wrong. Hamas is simply responding to Israeli aggression and is simply a manifestion of Palestinian sentiment. (ctd)
(ctd) Israel hinders the Palestinians from improving their situation: Control of imports, power, water, seizure of aid ships after the bombardment of Gaza (which was internationally condemened...not to say anything of the White Phosphorus). This will ensure that public opinion will remain negative and hardliners like Hamas will flourish.
Israel is its own worse enemy in this respect and the olive branch should come from their direction: more than just a pull out but a complete handing over of control to the Palestinian leaders
@Zggrt443 Israel has extended an olive branch numerous times only to have it explode in their face. Most recently, the Oslo Peace Accords which ended with Arafat walking away from them and renewing his campaign of violence. And then again when Israel pulled the settlers out of Gaza, only to be met with another increase in attacks. When will Palestinians take some responsibility for themselves and their own actions and choices? They are not children
@Zggrt443 Hamas has stated repeatedly its refusal to ever accept Israel's right to exist at all, let alone in peace. Their stated goal is not the creation of a free nation for their people, but the destruction of Israel. The only thing they have agreed to negotiate is a 10 year truce. And then what happens in 10 years?
And as long as that is the Hamas's stance, why would Israel yield a thing as long as Hamas is in power?
You cannot force peace. BOTH sides have to want it
Indeed, and this is where Israel must adopt an unconventional strategy and actually work to improve the standards of the Palestinians. Israel has direct control over the resources and utilities of those in Gaza. The sealing of exits shutting off of power and water must stop as it simply punishes the whole Palestinian population for the actions of a few. This has a major effect on the living standards of the Palestinian people and will adversely affect their attitudes towards any hope of peace.
@Zggrt443 "this is where Israel must adopt an unconventional strategy and actually work to improve the standards of the Palestinians"
That is exactly what has been going on in the West Bank for some time now, because Abbas cooperates with them. Hamas makes that impossible in Gaza. Israel made a HUGE gesture to improve their lives when they pulled out the settlers. And Hamas responded by increasing violent attacks. The conditions in Gaza are direct consequence of their strategy
@Zggrt443 The Palestinian population elected Hamas and supports its methods, and so are responsible for them. This is what they voted for, Collective punishment? You mean, like when Hamas targets Israeli civilians?
OF COURSE the conditions make living standards worse. That;s the idea, and us the consequences of Hamas's actions. If Hamas ceased its violence, the restrictions would ease just as they have in the West Bank
Hamas were elected in free elections and, as history shows, the people only turn to the extremist parties when the surrounding living conditions are perceived as unberable. That is why Israel can not use Hamas' victory as an excuse for further crackdowns as this will only entrench Palestinian's negative views of Israel and cause the problem to worsen.
Infact a recent Gallup poll has shown that Palestinian satisfaction with life is far below that of Israel ad a majority feel that life is getting worse. This sentiment is comparable to that of Germany in the 1920s and history has indeed shown that in times when public disatisfaction is high, the extremist parties prosper. Israel's disproportinate military responses and hindrance to Palestinian improvement is the real impetus to progess towards peace.
@Zggrt443 Free elections? And when is the next election, hmm? And if the Palestinian people elected them, then Hamas represents them and they are in turn responsible for Hamas;s actions. Its not Hamas's victory that;s the problem. Its Hamas's ACTIONS. Do you think launching rocket attacks on Israeli civilians is EVER going to convince the Israelis to concede a THING to them? It does NOTHING but perpetuate hostilities and make it impossible for any Israeli politician to move towards peace
@Zggrt443 Hamas has whored itself to its Iranian masters and is at this point little more than a proxy army for Iran, like Hezbollah is. Their actions only undermine the Palestinian cause and perpetuate their misery. Whose interests does this serve? How have Hamas's tactics against Israel in ANY way furthered their cause of helped their situation?
@Zggrt443 In the end, any peace deal would have to mean Israel gives up the settlements, or at least most of them. They have also offered to trade land. But the question remains - would an independent Palestine mean an end to their struggle against Israel? There are many Israelis who doubt it, and if that;s the case there is no reason for them to agree to it. Israel is not going to negotiate itself out of existence, and no one is going to force it to
By no means should Israel have to 'negotiate itself out of existence'. However in response to your question as to whether an independent Palestine mean an end to their struggle against Israel? That depends also on Israel's actions towards the new state. If Israel did nothing to hinder imports into the territory, or the quality of life, etc then public happiness would rise and those calling for a continuation of the Intifada would quickly find their position rejected by the bulk of the populace.
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WTF is Israel? Man this is Palestine! Palestine is ours! Palestine is our love <3
xxxZZZZzxx 6 months ago
L'Europe à soutenir Israël, un pays non-musulman au Moyen-Orient, le seul
Les musulmans de conquérir le monde
Tchétchénie en Russie, en Chine, en Inde, au Cachemire, 10 millions de musulmans en France, Allemagne, Angleterre, Israël, l'Espagne, vous savez combien la violence arabe que nous
FREE FREEE FREEEE ISRAELLLL
PALESTIN ARE KILLERS TERORIST!
yuvaly357 6 months ago
Free Palestine, Down with the Zionists. Support from Lebanon
ThePoet8236 7 months ago
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ThePoet8236 7 months ago
yes, FREE PALESTINE... but that doesn't mean to spread more hate. that only adds to the problems
utalice 7 months ago
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Free free palestine , support from Peru
thebigboss11993 9 months ago
SALAM PALESTINE...PEOPLE IN EUROPE ARE OPENING THEIR EYES NOW...IT WONT BE LONG TILL YOURE FREE...I WILL DO WHAT I CAN AS A EUROPEAN CITIZEN TO FIGHT YOUR FIGHT !!!
kidcaramba 10 months ago 2
FREE PALASTINA FUCK ISRAEL FUCK USA
herbijidersim 11 months ago
@herbijidersim NO dont 'fcuk use' please, some of us support palestine (like the muslim converts, like ME) americans dont know anything about palestine, so please dont believe all that. the only americans who know anything about israel and palestine are the government people who take our money to pay for this worthless war.
ShiZi999 10 months ago 2
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@herbijidersim NO dont 'fuck use' please, some of us support palestine (like the muslim converts, like ME) americans dont know anything about palestine, so please dont believe all that. the only americans who know anything about israel and palestine are the government people who take our money to pay for this worthless war.
ShiZi999 10 months ago
Free free Palestine. Support from England.
HHH4ify 11 months ago 2
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FREE FREE PALESTINE .... USA AND ISRAHELL VS IRAN HEZBOLLAH SYRIA TURKEY EGYPTE SOUDAN JORDAN RUSSIA CHINA NORTH KOREA NIJÉRIA IRAQ AFGANISTAN AFRICA YÉMEN ALL MUSLIM CONTRYS IS RIZING (REVOLUTION = MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HA HA HA LA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH THE BIG JIHAD IS STARTING GO IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH START THIS FAST RUSSIA AND CHINA WILL HELP YOU WW3 WW3 ITS THE END OF ISRAHELL PIG'S OF HELL ALLAHU AKBAR FROM MONTRÉAL CANADA FREE FREE PALESTINE ..... ISRAHELL YOUR KARMA IS COMING ITS TIME TO PAY
thankyouallah33 11 months ago
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FREE FREE PALESTINE .... USA AND ISRAHELL VS IRAN HEZBOLLAH SYRIA TURKEY EGYPTE SOUDAN JORDAN RUSSIA CHINA NORTH KOREA NIJÉRIA IRAQ AFGANISTAN AFRICA YÉMEN ALL MUSLIM CONTRYS IS RIZING (REVOLUTION = MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HA HA HA LA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH THE BIG JIHAD IS STARTING GO IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH START THIS FAST RUSSIA AND CHINA WILL HELP YOU WW3 WW3 ITS THE END OF ISRAHELL PIG'S OF HELL ALLAHU AKBAR FROM MONTRÉAL CANADA FREE FREE PALESTINE ..... ISRAHELL YOUR KARMA IS COMING ITS TIME TO PAY
thankyouallah33 11 months ago
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hahahaha usa soldier are so faget real war is coming = = = USA AND ISRAHELL VS IRAN HEZBOLLAH SYRIA TURKEY EGYPTE SOUDAN JORDAN RUSSIA CHINA NORTH KOREA NIJÉRIA IRAQ AFGANISTAN AFRICA YÉMEN ALL MUSLIM CONTRYS IS RIZING (REVOLUTION = MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD HA HA HA LA ILLAHA ILLA ALLAH THE BIG JIHAD IS STARTING GO IRAN AND HEZBOLLAH START THIS FAST RUSSIA AND CHINA WILL HELP YOU WW3 WW3 ITS THE END OF ISRAHELL PIG'S OF HELL ALLAHU AKBAR FROM MONTRÉAL CANADA FREE FREE PALESTINE
thankyouallah33 11 months ago
free free palistine..x
04masif 1 year ago 2
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fuck up israel
SuperCricketmad 1 year ago
fuch up israel
SuperCricketmad 1 year ago
go IRAN FREE FREE PALESTINE
skydiverfreefly 1 year ago
ISRAHELL YOUR KARMA IS COMING !!!!! INTIFADA DETH TO ISRAHELL
skydiverfreefly 1 year ago
PALESTINE = MYTH
ZIONADIEL 1 year ago
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enriquepollard 1 year ago
cmon free free palitine we fight for allah nd for our deen hu agrees wel mmke dem suk shabat!!!
mrcrazy196 1 year ago
fuckin germans could take care of these jews bring hitler back
drebin7410 1 year ago
Support from Poland, FREE PALESTINE, I hope you will get your land and pride back brothers
Milten36 1 year ago
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free free israeL, free free israel ,from the Thieves people palstine.
free free israeL, free free israel ,from the Thieves people palstine.
QURAN SAY 005.020 Remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples.
ISEL333 1 year ago
ISRAHELL GO TO HELL
skydiverfreefly 1 year ago
FREE FREE PALESTINE !!! HELP IS COMING FOR YOU GAZA !!! IRAN SYRIA HEZBOLLAH TURKEY LIBYA SOUDAN RUSSIA PAKISTAN JORDANI ARABIA BRAZIL VENUSUELLA AND MORE SALAM FROM CANADA I CONVERT TO ISLAM JUST FOR THE JIHAD I LOVE YOU PALESTINE ISRAHELL WILL BE NUKE ONE DAY WATCHE MY WORDS ALLAHU AKBAR FROM MONTRÉAL CANADA
skydiverfreefly 1 year ago
@skydiverfreefly HAHAHA ALLAHUFUCKBAR !!
ZIONADIEL 1 year ago
motherfucker israel! FUCK jews! FREE PALESTINE! the holocaust is fake!
pitorwolf88 1 year ago 5
FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!
uzairnrabia1 1 year ago 3
Free Free Palestine
fvvvvf 1 year ago 2
FREE FREE PALESTINE! Lowkey spittin fiyah! Support & Solidarity from Europe!
herttoniemi 1 year ago 7
once u give palestine back to the arabs... where u think the jewish population is gonna go?.. they gonna go to US, since we are allies=p..
VaticanIscariot 1 year ago
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Listen,ALLAH has been revealed to be A WOMAN!!not a MALE!!All you GOOD muslim men,you must submit(remember the defn of ISLAM) AND OBEY your wife!! Yup thats right,anything else is blasphemy!! Now the second thing Allah,the woman,wants...is for men to learn how to get on their knees and give their wivesw oral SEX!!She commands,you obey!DONT FREAK OUT!!you will learn to love your obedience training,I have!,and learn how to suck on command!!These are the TRUE TAECHINGS OF ALLAH!!
ZafirLuvsZionism 1 year ago
idc w.e and whereever a jew does aslong as they r out of america and europe thats fine caz we dont want those kikes ruining the white culture usa is multi-cultural because of these cancers.muslims are corrupted themselves
so if jews come or not they will be the same but jews have gotta get out of the western world with the help of skiheads,neo nazi and kkk
ala4akbar 1 year ago
Free Free Palestine
muslimpearl1 1 year ago
i'm a christian and i respect every religion, i think this song is a great way to send a message across, the genre it was made in will make it more attractive to younger generations, so they will listen to the message.
yousukcheese 1 year ago
the singer is called Lowkey, go search up the rest of his songs. they are just fantastic
Uniikex 1 year ago
i love this song i have it on my fone lol
shayank13 2 years ago
i love this can listern to it all day long
mayyah8 2 years ago
FUCK ISRAEL
AFGHAN09GENERAL 2 years ago 2
tbh terrorist is such an overused word for islam ok anybody can be a terroirst yoou know people think it is always asians but it can be white black brown so why do people juist assume asians are terroists plz think b4 you say things
masterkidwarrior 2 years ago
Look for the 729! Boycott Israeli goods!
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Boycott Palestinian goods! Oh, wait. They dont make anything
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it Kind of hard to produce anything when your factories are bombed to shit by an evil regime, you are given no control of your economic policy, and entry into your territory is strictly controlled.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Kind of hard to build an economy when you are more concerned with self-defeating "resistance" than building a nation. If Hamas was concerned with Gaza's economy, they would stop using factories to build weapons and attacking Israel with them, knowing full well that Israel will retaliate and destroy their factories. And if they are interested in easing restrictions, then perhaps launching a rocket campaign on Israelis after they pulled out the settlers was not a wise idea either
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Its also kind of funny how the billions of dollars given to the Palestinians by the international community just seems to disappear
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 If you want to boycott Israeli goods, then get off your computer. Its full of Israeli-invented technology. And do not use cell phones. They are an Israeli invention
chained2it 2 years ago
Do you have evidence that cellphones were Israeli invention? From what I recall most of the groundwork for the Mobile Phone was done in Scandanavia.
Make sure you keep a similar vigilance against any company that ever had any dealings with the Third Reich (which is a lot).
I wish you long life and Zyklon B resistance!
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Do I have "evidence"? Look it up. Its common knowledge. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola. Voice mail technology was also developed there. So was technology for the Pentium microchip.
The problem with boycotting companies with dealt with the Nazis is that every last person in those companies who was responsible is dead. So who are you punishing? Innocent people trying to make a living. Companies are not living entities. They are made of people
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 My comments about boycotting Israel was sarcastic, or did that go over your head? Boycotts, etc, will do absolutely nothing to achieve peace. It is a highly complicated conflict, and the Palestinians have their share of the blame for it as well. Boycotts are not going to convince Hamas to make peace
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it I got the sarcasm.
Boycotting of Israeli exports sends a message which, if it gathers enough momentum, can actually have a trememndous effect. The International boycotts on South Africa in the final days of the Apartheid era is a good example of this.
Why should Hamas 'make peace'?(as if they are the chief aggressors!) I ask this of course, with Fatah's more conciliatory stance in mind, and Israel's consequent sanctioning of illegal jewish settlements in the West Bank.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 South Africa & Israel are poor comparisons. with far different dynamics at work. South Africa was a creation of European colonialism created to benefit the British & Dutch motherlands. Israel was created by refugees fleeing genocide, & later joined by other refugees driven out of Arab nations they lived in. In Jewish eyes, Israel's existence is a matter of Jewish survival, not colonial exploitation for a foreign empire. Until you understand the Israeli mentality, you'll get nowhere
chained2it 2 years ago
You are wrong here. The modern state of South Africa, as created by Dutch and Huegenot settlement (which would later consolidate in the Oranje Vrystaat and the Traansvaal under the Afrikaaners as the inhabitants would come to call themselves) was also founded by a people fleeing persecution in Europe, a strong sense of entitlement to the land based on religious conviction and as a means of survival for a particular religious group. Holland did not benefit.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Hollnd did not benefit. but BRITAIN did.
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The Huegenots were not a people who had been driven from nation to nation for thousands of years, persecuted almost everywhere they went. The Heugenots had no historical and cultural ties to the land they settled in. And they exploited the indigenous population from the beginning. That has no similarity to Jewish settlement in Palestine. Palestinians initiated the violence, not Jews None of them were driven from their homes until the war of 1948, which they also initiated.
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 You seem to forget that Israel was created by a UN vote, a vote which also called for a Palestinian state. But on the day after israel declared its independence, it was invaded by 5 Arab nations, setting the stage for decades of conflict and mistrust, Israel won and took more land, but most of the land designated fro Palestine was annexed by Egypt and Jordan instead, creating a people in a perpetual status as refugees. Those Arabs left behind in Israel were given full citizenship
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it
This has the potential to go on for days, however I have actually come to agree with you on some points you have made in regards to Israel. However, returning to the original comment I would still argue that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians (specifically Use of white phosphorous, seizure UN of aid ships, closure of evacuation points, cutting off of water, power, hindrance of medical supplies, and an overall disproportionate response) warrants a boycott.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Boycotts are empty gestures designed to make people like you feel they are doing something. And where were your boycotts when Gaza was raining rockets and mortars on a daily basis on Israeli civilians for years, AFTER they had withdrawn all the settlers from Gaza? That is precisely was provoked Israel's actions. But as usual, when the Palestinians take actions that make peace impossible, people of your political persuasion remain hypocritically silent
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it Boycotts are anything but empty gestures. It is a powerful act of solidarity with an occupied populace.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 And such a boycott will make you feel good about yourself, but accomplish nothing. Nothing positive, anyway
chained2it 2 years ago
This discussion is fruitless. Your continuous attempt to portray the jews as poor, oppressed victims, always nobly seeking peace only reacting when their efforts are thwarted by the 'warlike' Palestinians is laughable and deserving only of scorn.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
You hysterically cry out about all the times Palestinian leaders have walked away from the bargaining table, but not once here have you mentioned that at the time of al-Nakba, Jews owned less than 7 per cent of the land, made up a third of the population and yet over half of the land of Palestine was assigned to the Jewish state. During the 1947-48 war, Israel forcibly occupied greater expanses of land expelling some 750,000 Palestinians.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
Today, 92 percent of the land that makes up Israel is historically Palestinian.Why should Hamas compromise with an occupying power when they are ever mindful of what they once possessed and what rightfully belongs to them? Expecting the victims to be satisfied with the crumbs from the table is unjust and foolish optimism.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
You talk of the Arab massacre of Jews in the 20s but where do you mention the massacres of Palestinians at Al abbasiyya, Haifa, Beer Sheeba and Jish to name but a few?
You talk of Hamas desire to wipe out Israel yet fail to mention Ben-Gurions speech of 1938, wherein he stated:after we build up a strong force following the establishment of the state we will abolish the partition of the country and we will expand to the whole Land of Israel.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
You talk of Hamas bringing terror to Israeli civilians but gloss over Israels use of torture against the Palestinians(long documented by Amnesty International), their disproportionate bombardment of Gaza with its high civilian cost and use of weapons such as white phosphorous, which was condemned by the UN-
Zggrt443 2 years ago
Your talk of connection to the land is bogus. The state of Israel has no right to exist. A false state inhabited by a people with a false sense of entitlement based on myth and pseudo-history. A state promised to these people by the British to curry favour with American Jews who could bring Germany into the First World War, and who saw Palestine, then under Ottoman rule, as another place to guard the Suez Canal.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
A Jew is a jew is a jew. Always quick to point out your own peoples suffering but always quick to brush over the suffering you have brought to others. Your duplicity and parasitism have seen you expelled from multiple lands in Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and Asia, yet it is always the fault of the Anti-Semites. If you cannot see how the treatment of Palestinians warrants a boycott of Israel, then continuing this conversation is pointless.
Salaam, Jude.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Ahhh, so when confronted enough you show your true colors. "A Jew is a jew is a jew". So now this becomes an issue of stereotypes and racist slanders, all the while pretending that you hold such principles views against racism and injustice. And now you blame the victims of racism for their own persecution? Its the fault of a small vulnerable minority when the dominant culture of the nations they live in persecute them? I see. And do you have such views with OTHER peoples? Racist troll
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it Oh ja, we're all nazis. Sieg sieg *facepalm*
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 And we are all power-mad Zionists hellbent on world domination, lol
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Yes, it was the Jews fault when the Spanish Inquisition tortured, murdered, and expelled them. Their "crime" is that they were allies of the Muslims who ruled Spain for the previous centuries.
And of course it was the fault of the Jews when thousands were burned alive because superstitious Europeans believed they had consorted with the devil to create the Black Plague. Or when Henry VIII avoided repaying back his Jewish creditors by just expelling all England's Jews, robbing them all
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 No right to exist, according to WHOM? By what standard? Israel has as much right to exist as ANY nation does. Myth and psuedo-history? Says who? You? I'll leave the myth-making to Muslims who forget middle eastern history predates Islam.
As for WW1, you mean Jews would bring the USA into the war, not Germany, genius. And THAT is a myth. By WHAT means could American Jews get the USA into the war, hmm? Few American Jews were even Zionists
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The Balfour Delaration was in exchange for the Rothchilds and other wealthy Jewish banking families helping Britain finance the war - and for forming the Jewish Legion, a unit of Jewish volunteers to fight for the British against the Turks in the mideast.
It was basically "help us defeat the Turks and we'll help you create a state within its former empire".
That's the exact same deal they made with the Hashemites, which resulted in the creation of Jordan, which never existed before
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The UN also condemned Hamas, which you fail to mention. But exactly what is "disproportionate" force? Since when is a defender obligated to restrain his defense to the level of force used by his attacker, thereby allow the attacker to determine the response? Is that an effective national defense strategy for ANY nation? The purpose of retaliatory force is to DETER future attacks (which it did), which can ONLY be accomplished by making the price higher than the enemy is willing to pay
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 You ignore the fact that Hamas intentionally sabotaged an opportunity for peace, and responded to Israel's withdrawl from Gaza in a manner that made the withdrawal appear to be a mistake in the eyes of Israelis, and for which they KNEW Israel would retaliate harshly. Hamas was intentionally targeting Israeli civilians, and the primary obligation of the Israeli government is to protect its citizens. at any cost. If you dont want the consequences of war, dont start one
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Beer Sheeba? Are you referring to the massacre by the Australians in 1918? What did that have to do with Jews?
Other massacres you mentioned was committed by Jewish militant groups is campaigns in RESPONSE to the Arab riots of 1936 and the Hebron massacre of 1929, among others. And others occurred during the war.
Show me a legit source for this alleged Ben Gurion quote. Even if he said this, it was in the aftermath of 1936, which changed EVERYthing
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 If Israel is seeking to "expand", then why did it withdraw from the Gaza and the Sinai?
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 What exactly is "historically Palestinian"? There has never been a nation called Palestine. it had been a region of the Ottoman Empire for the previous 400 years. Before that it passed from one empire to another- various Arab empire, the Crusaders, Persians, Byzantines/Romans, etc. The only independent nations that ever stood there were Judea and Israel, Palestine is the name Rome gave to Judea to crush Jewish nationalism. "Palestinians" NEVER controlled the land
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The partition plan was the FIRST time a Palestinian state has EVER been proposed in HISTORY. Adn by YOUR logic, the Jews should demand every inch of what was once THEIRS. The modern state of Israel is a fraction of the ancient one. The question is about finding a reasonable peaceful settlement for 2 conflicting claims
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The only hysterical one is you. Jews owned 7%. How much did PALESTINIANS own, hmm? Many "palestinians" were immigrants from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan - no more native born than Zionists. The land was divided EVENLY, designed to create 2 VIABLE states with water supply, sea ports, and farmable land. In fact, much fertile land was CREATED by Zionist settlers They created almost all the modern infrastructure of Palestine - highways, electricity, plumbing, schools, hospitals, etc.
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Israel took more land during the 1948 war, yes. They expelled some who fought against them, and others they feared would, and many left of their own accord to make way for advancing Arab armies. The MAJORITY of Palestinians were NOT expelled, and today more of them live within the borders of Israel than did in 1948.
Meanwhile, almost all Jews in Palestine in 1948 were refugees from Europe, joined later by many of the nearly MILLION Jews driven from ARAB lands in the 50s & 60s
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 But what you fail to mention is that MOST of the land designated for a Palestinian state was taken in the 1948 war, not by ISRAEL, but by JORDAN (the Wet Bank) and EGYPT (gaza). Jordan did not even relinquish its claim to the West Bank until 1988. You have a selective memory
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it Palestine Is rightful owners of the land. Muslims had inhabited the land ever since we won the crusades. it was only when JEWS seeked salvage from hitler in WW2 that they came to the muslim land and the muslims said they may stay. now who gives them the right to take the land they were given as refuge, and keep is it as their own? a shit hole of a country known as the USA? No =/
PSPhacking2009 2 years ago
@PSPhacking2009 " Muslims had inhabited the land ever since we won the crusades"
Ah, so its "rightfully" yours because you conquered it? Well then, by your standards, there is no doubt it is rightfully Israel's, is there? Muslims did not say they could stay in Palestine before Israels birth.. Jews purchased land for themselves and settled on it. But there were numerous massacres of Jews there by Muslims. - 1929, 1936, etc, The Arabs started a war and lost. Period
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it read the rest of my comment ¬¬" we did not start a war...germany did with the world, and when the jews were getting masacred NOT by arabs but by christians (who now seem to be their best friends) who did the jews come for salvage? to the muslim land...muslims said they could live there but then the big ass wipe that is america turned it into israel...is that right =D
PSPhacking2009 2 years ago
@PSPhacking2009 Yes, the Jews fled to the middle east. But they were NOT welcomed by most Muslims. Hundreds of Jews were massacred in 1936 and 1929 in Palestine. Speeches were made at the UN after WW2 threatening greater massacres against Jews in Arab nations than happened in Europe if the UN partitioned Palestine. And after Israel was created, nearly all the Jews in Arab lands were expelled or driven out by violence.
chained2it 2 years ago
@PSPhacking2009 And yes, Arabs DID start a war. I'm not talking about Word War 2 and Germany. I am talking about 1948 when 5 Arab armies invaded Israel the day after it declared independence following the UN partition. Christians have treated Jews poorly in the past. So have Muslims at times. And these days, hatred of Jews comes from the Muslim world. not the Christian world
chained2it 2 years ago
@PSPhacking2009 America had nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of Israel. I have no idea where you get that notion. America & Israel were not even allies until the 1960s. America did not control the middle east after WW2. Britain did, under a League of Nations mandate. And then they turned over control to the UN, who partitioned Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab one. The Arabs rejected the partition and invaded. America had nothing to do with it
chained2it 2 years ago
@PSPhacking2009 The USA did not send Jews to Palestine. Persecution in Europe drove Jews there. No one told them to go. And later they were joined by Jews in the Arab world when they become persecuted as well. Where do you think America fits in to any of this, "ass wipe"?
chained2it 2 years ago
THe colonial element you speak of was a British enterprise, begun when they seized the cape territories so as to have access to the lucrative diamond and gold mines, as well as key port positions on the cae of good hope. The Nasionale Party however, which instituted the Apartheid policy, was an Afrikaaner party. The atrocious actions towards the bantu peoples was justified in the name of Afrikaaner suvival. From this view, the comparison of South Africa and Israel is a fair one.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 You cannot compare the history and situation of the Huegenots to that of the Jews in Europe. They were persecuted in nearly every nation in Europe for most of that time, almost perpetually, to the point of near extinction.. Especially in the wake of the Holocaust.. Those people quite literally had nowhere else to flee to, and no reason to trust living as a minority in any nation again. THAT is what gave rise to Zionism. THere was no lucrative business of any sort
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it Zionism existed and enjoyed is how Judea was able to organise a boycott of Germany in 1933.
The Huegenots in Europwidespread support among Jewry prior to the Holocaust. That e had a comparable story to that of the Jews, when one considers their smaller numbers and that they had been around for less long a period of time.
South Africa, the apartheid state, was formed from the Boer states and out of the boer mentality. The link to colonialism is a tenuous one.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 WHAT? There was no such thing as JUDEA in 1933, dolt. You are referring to a famous NY Times headline. It was a METAPHOR. "Judea" meant the Jews. And the Jewish boycott of Germany was so very effective, wasn't it?
You are SEVERELY parsing to compare the Huegenots, an indigenous Christian minority, to a non-Christian people of non-European origin who bore the stigma of "Christ Killers", etc.., who were oppressed in nearly every nation in Europe and subjected to genocide repeatedly
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it No shit. I was using Judea as a metonym for world Jewry, you fucking simpleton.
OY VEY! the poor oppressed Jew, whose plight is unique in the world.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443
ALLAH ACHBAR! The Palestinians are just helpless children who bore no responsibility for how events unfolded, and the Jews were just evil demons who brushed them aside like toys.
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 "Zionism" had absolutely NOTHING to do with the 1933 boycott. It was organized by groups like the American Jewish Congress, not Zionist groups. Stopping Nazi Germany was in the interests of ALL Jews, whether Zionist or otherwise. Where do you get this crap? And OF COURSE Zionism existed in 1933. Modern Zionism was started by Herzl in the 1890s.
And unlike Jews, the Boers were not denied citizenship in Europe & driven from land to land, & had no connection to the land they settled
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 There is no apartheid policy in Israel. 1/5 of Israeli citizens are Palestinian, and they have the same legal rights as Israeli Jews. The West Bank and Gaza population are not Israeli citizens, and the land is not israel. It is disputed territory whose final status has yet to be settled. Israel did not occupy the lands of any Palestinian state. They occupied lands annexed by Jordan and Egypt. They, not Israel, took the majority of land designated by the UN for Palestine in 1947
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it If you think there is no Apartheid in Israel, I would encourage you to open your mind and read some material from Global Peace and Justice.
Alternatively, I would encourage you to watch CBS special 'exposing Israeli apartheid' on Youtube.
Even Henry Siegman, once the national director of the American Jewish Congress said the comparison to Apartheid South Africa was a just one.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 I have family in Israel. We are so-called "Arab Jews". I can get DIRECT info about what goes on there, I dont need a report.
ALL comments about "apartheid" are about conditions in the occupied territories, a military occupation zone, NOT in Israel itself. Show me ANYthing claiming Arab citizens of Israel are subjected to "apartheid". There's Palestinian on the Israeli Supreme Court, and he's not the first. Even Jimmy Carter just apologized for his inappropriate use of that word
chained2it 2 years ago
How is Israel and Apartheid like state? The Israeli identity card which identifies them as either a Jew, a Muslim, or a Christian echoes South Africas population registration act. The snatching of Yemeni Jewish babies from their mothers so they could be adopted out to Ashkenazi families suggests presence of ethnic preference. The campaigns against the marriage between Jews and Non-Jews?
Zggrt443 2 years ago
The refusal of citizenship for Gaza or West bank residents that marry Israeli citizens? A Palestinian on the supreme court does not the alter Israels attitude towards other Palestinians There are also Jewish members of the Iranian parliament, yet the Jews are always quick to cry out about Iranian Anti-Semitism.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza in a DEFENSIVE war against Egypt and Jordan, nations which had annexed those lands yet refused to grant its residents citizenship. It was a cynical strategy to keep them in conflict with Israel, rather than absorb them as Israel absorbed hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled from Muslim nations in the 50s and 60s.
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Zionist settlements began in the late 19th century. They were legal and peaceful, settling on land they purchased. There was no "atrocious" treatment of the locals. Do you think Palestinians were helpless children unable to defend themselves? Jews were the vulnerable population, not then. And there were massacres of Jews, such as Hebron in 1929, or during the Arab riots of 1920, 1921, and 1936. Thats what led to the emergence of jewish militant groups like the Haganah and Irgun
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Spare me the rhetoric about "chief aggressors". Demonizing the Israelis and lionizing the Palestinians is a gross oversimplification that does nothing to serve the ends of peace. When I say "make peace", I mean agree to negotiate. Did they not have an opportunity for peace several years ago when Israel pulled all settlers out of Gaza? Instead of taking positive steps in response, they simply took advantage to move their rocket launchers closer and attack civilians deeper into Israel.
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The only thing those attacks accomplished was to give credibility to the Israeli right wing and prove right all those who are against removing the settlements. If pulling out of Gaza only brought MORE violence to Israel, why would Israel agree to pull out of the West Bank? Israel has said repeatedly that settlements are negotiable in any peace deal. But it has to be NEGOTIATED. The more anyone attempts to strongarm them, the more stubborn they get. That is the reality
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Unlike South Africa, Israel has many supporters and sympathizers. Israel will not be forced into conceding anything without its legit security issues addressed. Whether you think such issues are legit or not is irrelevant. The Israeli public is what matters. Your approach is backwards. Peace can only be achieved by convincing the warring parties that it is in their interests to make peace. There are many on the Palestinian side who refuse to do so , not just some israelis
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Why should Hamas make peace? What a naive question. Because the conflict has inflicted decades of misery on their people and only peace will end it. Why else should ANYone make peace? Hamas is belligerent and irresponsible to the welfare of their own people. They take actions they KNOW will invite Israeli retaliation. It is a cynical strategy for which the Palestinians pay dearly. And what has is gotten them? Why should they make peace? Do they ENJOY having Israel's boot on their neck?
chained2it 2 years ago
Don't be facetious and label me 'naive'. If you are suggesting that I believe Hamas should fight on until every Jew is driven into the sea, then you are wrong. Hamas is simply responding to Israeli aggression and is simply a manifestion of Palestinian sentiment. (ctd)
Zggrt443 2 years ago
(ctd) Israel hinders the Palestinians from improving their situation: Control of imports, power, water, seizure of aid ships after the bombardment of Gaza (which was internationally condemened...not to say anything of the White Phosphorus). This will ensure that public opinion will remain negative and hardliners like Hamas will flourish.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
Israel is its own worse enemy in this respect and the olive branch should come from their direction: more than just a pull out but a complete handing over of control to the Palestinian leaders
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Israel has extended an olive branch numerous times only to have it explode in their face. Most recently, the Oslo Peace Accords which ended with Arafat walking away from them and renewing his campaign of violence. And then again when Israel pulled the settlers out of Gaza, only to be met with another increase in attacks. When will Palestinians take some responsibility for themselves and their own actions and choices? They are not children
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Hamas has stated repeatedly its refusal to ever accept Israel's right to exist at all, let alone in peace. Their stated goal is not the creation of a free nation for their people, but the destruction of Israel. The only thing they have agreed to negotiate is a 10 year truce. And then what happens in 10 years?
And as long as that is the Hamas's stance, why would Israel yield a thing as long as Hamas is in power?
You cannot force peace. BOTH sides have to want it
chained2it 2 years ago
Indeed, and this is where Israel must adopt an unconventional strategy and actually work to improve the standards of the Palestinians. Israel has direct control over the resources and utilities of those in Gaza. The sealing of exits shutting off of power and water must stop as it simply punishes the whole Palestinian population for the actions of a few. This has a major effect on the living standards of the Palestinian people and will adversely affect their attitudes towards any hope of peace.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 "this is where Israel must adopt an unconventional strategy and actually work to improve the standards of the Palestinians"
That is exactly what has been going on in the West Bank for some time now, because Abbas cooperates with them. Hamas makes that impossible in Gaza. Israel made a HUGE gesture to improve their lives when they pulled out the settlers. And Hamas responded by increasing violent attacks. The conditions in Gaza are direct consequence of their strategy
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 The Palestinian population elected Hamas and supports its methods, and so are responsible for them. This is what they voted for, Collective punishment? You mean, like when Hamas targets Israeli civilians?
OF COURSE the conditions make living standards worse. That;s the idea, and us the consequences of Hamas's actions. If Hamas ceased its violence, the restrictions would ease just as they have in the West Bank
chained2it 2 years ago
Hamas were elected in free elections and, as history shows, the people only turn to the extremist parties when the surrounding living conditions are perceived as unberable. That is why Israel can not use Hamas' victory as an excuse for further crackdowns as this will only entrench Palestinian's negative views of Israel and cause the problem to worsen.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
Infact a recent Gallup poll has shown that Palestinian satisfaction with life is far below that of Israel ad a majority feel that life is getting worse. This sentiment is comparable to that of Germany in the 1920s and history has indeed shown that in times when public disatisfaction is high, the extremist parties prosper. Israel's disproportinate military responses and hindrance to Palestinian improvement is the real impetus to progess towards peace.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Free elections? And when is the next election, hmm? And if the Palestinian people elected them, then Hamas represents them and they are in turn responsible for Hamas;s actions. Its not Hamas's victory that;s the problem. Its Hamas's ACTIONS. Do you think launching rocket attacks on Israeli civilians is EVER going to convince the Israelis to concede a THING to them? It does NOTHING but perpetuate hostilities and make it impossible for any Israeli politician to move towards peace
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 Hamas has whored itself to its Iranian masters and is at this point little more than a proxy army for Iran, like Hezbollah is. Their actions only undermine the Palestinian cause and perpetuate their misery. Whose interests does this serve? How have Hamas's tactics against Israel in ANY way furthered their cause of helped their situation?
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 "Hamas were elected in free elections"
So was Adolph Hitler. So what?
chained2it 2 years ago
@Zggrt443 In the end, any peace deal would have to mean Israel gives up the settlements, or at least most of them. They have also offered to trade land. But the question remains - would an independent Palestine mean an end to their struggle against Israel? There are many Israelis who doubt it, and if that;s the case there is no reason for them to agree to it. Israel is not going to negotiate itself out of existence, and no one is going to force it to
chained2it 2 years ago
By no means should Israel have to 'negotiate itself out of existence'. However in response to your question as to whether an independent Palestine mean an end to their struggle against Israel? That depends also on Israel's actions towards the new state. If Israel did nothing to hinder imports into the territory, or the quality of life, etc then public happiness would rise and those calling for a continuation of the Intifada would quickly find their position rejected by the bulk of the populace.
Zggrt443 2 years ago
Free Palestine? I want some. Real estate is expensive these days
chained2it 2 years ago
@chained2it
fuck you fool kill the israelis
karlmarx2010 2 years ago
@karlmarx2010
Fuck you, and kill your family.
Have a nice day
chained2it 2 years ago
Buchenwald is a very beautiful area
Zggrt443 2 years ago
GD sONg FREEE FREE Palestiinesss FUK ISreal!
Ssweeet12 2 years ago
respect, bronx for life
shewymonthana 2 years ago
A rapper called Lowkey sang dis song
pksnipa 2 years ago
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TopG10 2 years ago
FREE PALESTINE! Death to all fuckin zionist. FREE PALESTINE
pksnipa 2 years ago
there is such thing as Palestine! Long live Palestine!
tinkerbellgk 2 years ago 6
fuck israel free palestine/free northern ireland fuck britan love from ireland
999eamon999 2 years ago 3
HU SANG THIS?
IT IS GD
FREEE PALESTINE
SpArKbOy95 2 years ago
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jidm3 2 years ago
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jidm3 2 years ago
znbaig950 2 years ago 3
free palestine! from fuckin israel
Hasanmo13 2 years ago 4
Just to make it clear. A person that was in my house use my computer and my name to express his idea not mine. His name is Armandotoyota. Answer to him all what he wrote using my account. Thanks
clarissa125 2 years ago
fuck you clarissa you are a fucking idiot and your a stupid idiot fuck you fuck you fuck you and FREE FREE PALESTINE
yassy2605 2 years ago
go to the donkey allah as Satan, he was a faggot and Jews Fuck him good in his ass....hehe
clarissa125 2 years ago
fuck you you mean idiot and your religin you can not say anything about allah you see when you go to hell you idiot
i hate whatever your religion you are a fucking idiot and if you don't like it don't fucking watch it fat ass
yassy2605 2 years ago
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white bich go fuk off BICH!!!
FREE FREE PALESTINE YH!!!
786Thepaki 2 years ago
Free free palestine! Mashallah lowkey is amazingg
TrashySuperstahh 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Free Israel from terrorist, Hamas and Palestinian Rats,,,,,
armandotoyota 2 years ago
die ina fire you piece of shit.
TrashySuperstahh 2 years ago
Lowkey - Palestine
xsteer 3 years ago
this track is cold
Im in love with it !
ma god bless the rapper
Palestine2theEnd 3 years ago 2
Free Free Palestine!
Scwidoney 3 years ago 2
Sick Song
Hu Sings It??
- FREE PALESTINE-
Nd Dont Shop At M&S and Dont Buy Nestle Products
ifrahkhan 3 years ago
Free Palestine from the Zionist scums
vonage009 3 years ago 2
OMG! this is the onli song ive seen that has meaning and ses the truth gr8 lyrics gr8 vid btw ;)
deviltaker123 3 years ago 2
FrEe FrEe PaLeStINe
screwthezionists 3 years ago 3
Free Free Palestine!!
GazaStandsStrong 3 years ago 4
Awesome!!
Pali2DaBone 3 years ago 6
in the middle part of the video it said something about barack obama --- what was it -- bcuz i couldnt really understand it
987balsam 3 years ago 7
he promised 30 billion in the next decade
Mobol9jr 3 years ago
he says barack obama promised isreal 30billion other the next decade..
footballisok1 2 years ago
veryy niice video!
-- Free Palestine --
pzbwb