FREEDOM to kill who we want to. FREEDOM to manipulate other governments. FREEDOM to torture. FREEDOM to build more munitions to cause more death and destruction. Yeah you're right they hate us for our FREEDOMS alright, but then again so would I.
Oh lord! People still defend these criminals?? Lying to get elected should be a crime. Michele Obama makes me sick. I turn off any news which portrays the Obama's in a positive light. HE STRAIGHT UP LIED TO EVERYONE JUST LIKE BUSH. LIED TO YOUR FACES PEOPLE!!! wake up and smell the coffee, all these presidents are at the mercy of financial institutions. Stop being a sheep.
I hate to burst your Democrat loving bubble, but Democrats accept donations from individuals from big business and oil. Obama accepted over 200,000 from employees of big oil alone. He also accepted about 1 million from Goldman Sachs employees. So save the "Republicans and their supporters" for someone more gullible/ignorant, ok?
I don't think you understand economics and why we are where we're at. For every dollar spent by the government another 4 in GDP is lost. Historically Bailouts/Stimulus have actually extended economic recovery, not help it. The reason this has become a depression (as you call it) is because of all this government spending. Money doesn't go as far because of the inflation caused by the massive printing of money. No one had to help Obama fail, his own policies landed him flat on his face.
@HayZing You need to check your facts there mate. Obama for the first 2 years of his Administration had a DEMOCRAT MAJORITY IN CONGRESS. It was because of this fact that he actually managed to get the Health Care bill passed in the first place. Actually this Administration has failed because of its policies, specifically with the Bailout, and Stimulus, and now the "Jobs Bill" (Stimulus mark 2). Those spending sprees cause inflation, and only puts money in the hands of the rich.
@HayZing Ummm, you do realize that the tax cuts given to the people were given evenly across the board right? Lower, middle, and upper all received the same cuts. ""Boehner's bill dies tonight," House Majority Leader Harry Reid's spokesman Adam Jentleson announced on Twitter Thursday afternoon when it was thought the House would vote on the bill in just a matter of hours. "Forever."
“before the addition of the balanced-budget amendment — mirrored an agreement worked out with Reid last weekend.”
@siradon2000 I saw the party of "NO" working very hard. Dems make the claim the GOP is the party of NO, yet GOP changed their stance on cutting the deficit before even hearing what Democrats wanted changed. In fact both bills within a months time were completely shut down by Democrats without so much as a discussion, or how to change or improve the bills. Seems to me Dems are projecting their actions on others again. A balanced budget was a deal breaker, really? That was why Dems got majority
@righttoright1 Defintely not. Hermain Cain just wants his turn to fuck the rectum of America. We need Ron Paul 2012. That's real leadership you dickhead.
this really proves that white people do exist in america. jealousy, stupidity, and racism equals a white politician. and one more thing im not black nor white.
@PrisonerNumber9653 That's funny, there was someone who once said that using race as an excuse to implement social programs was a devious, deceptive tactic to destroy nations. Seems its rather effective...
@siradon2000 Calling Affirmative Action and other attempts to EQUALIZE OPPORTUNITY is not REMOTELY "devious", doesn't do anything at all "deceptive", and isn't 'destroying' ANYTHING except injustice and inequality.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, actually liberal was originally reserved for people who support civil rights, and that was all it really means. None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with civil rights.
Wow am shocked at all there mean yes meaness toward michelle obama, its like ther epicking out certain words and interpretating the rest. Why shouldnt she be proud of her husband bill clintons wife stuck by him when he had head by lewinski!!!!!
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”-Thomas Jefferson
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”- Thomas Jefferson
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .” -Thomas Jefferson
What you don't seem to get PrisonerNumber9653 is that this is a very old game, only we can stop
@siradon2000 You're right, greed is a very old game, one we MUST stop, as is the pathetic little old game of perverting old quotations to try to pretend that Thomas Jefferson would agree with the hard right who constantly attack the brilliant government and nation Thomas Jefferson helped establish. You seem to think wasting billions bombing the world into submission is fine, but feeding children is "too much government".
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are a fool, both need to be stopped. Spending over all needs to brought to a halt. I have no problem feeding children. I do however have a problem with people in government taking the majority of the money to make their own wealth before giving the remainder to those who actually need it. I also have a problem with millionaires receiving wel-fare, and food stamps because they only have "liquid assets".
@siradon2000 The vilest of lies. Feeding children is NOT "Government taking the money to make their own wealth" government has NO wealth, they don't just stick it in non-existent pockets.
And I'm fine with the money going to those who need it, not millionaires, and while the Dems have their problems in this area it's most Republicans trying to do this, huge giveaways to the wealthy and corporations.
@leiyoko90 He does seem awfully close to Rham Emanuel, always going to spas together in new york, wearing the same suits and same color ties. They make a great couple don't they? LOL
@ThePsychoticScyth396 If you still live in America, maybe you should move to a place where you are proud to call home. See how far your freedoms go in say Iraq or another Muslim run Country (I hope you're not Christian, because they kill you for simply having a bible in many of those countries).
Many years ago when it first came on, I noticed something strange in the way this station conducted itself on important matters. Always sided, partial, demeaning and sensationalist. And then, they brought in this obnoxious mr-who-thinks-he-is, (i don't remember his name) shouting and vomiting his brains out (one can only imagine the stench!) on live TV about stuff he knew absolutely nothing about. It's been years since I last saw anything on fox and I do believe I haven't missed much at all.
The Obamas are disgusting, anti-American, racist freeloaders. He is ruining this country and she is enjoying the ride... on us. They are the most despicable bunch I have ever seen. He is the greatest fearmonger! GOD will bless this country again in 2012. Fox is the only place to get the truth and the other side.
I see. So I guess trying to help people is anti-American? Also, explain to me how they're racist or disgusting?
I bet you probably think taking away our freedoms, waging false wars, taking our Country from a surplus to a 14Trillion deficit, and de-unionizing the Nation is American, huh?
I think God should spend his time helping the starving people in Somalia rather than trying to help us because we were fucked by the GOP and FOX is filled with liars.
@TheeHarsha The government isn't God, and they take a cut, while stealing the money from everyone above the poverty level. Although you have to look at the Republican party Majority from 1994-2000 who actually made the surplus happen. Just as you have to give the economic credit to Clinton for enforcing Carters "Affordable Housing Act" that created the "housing bubble" that popped in 2006. Of course you would ignore that Obama administration signed the "Patriot Act", and "Bush Tax Cuts" back in
@siradon2000 Horseshit. The government doesn't steal ONE PENNY. The GOP has NOTHING to do with creating surplus.
No, I do NOT ignore that Obama signed the Patriot Act, or the Bush tax cuts, or any number of other things reminding us again that he is no liberal at all. If the Democrats put up a remotely qualified candidate to oppose him in the primary, I'd work hard for another candidate. I'd take a leave from work to campaign full time for Kusinich or another true liberal, but it's doubtful.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm sure the Democrats would pay you well, as they do many of their employees, I mean uh volunteers. Actually passing a law that takes from people money against their will, and in no way benefits them is stealing. Actually its a fact the GOP from 1994-2000 were in control of Congress, and the Budget, hence they created the surplus that the Bush Administration spent like Democrats. You know nothing the Nazi's did was illegal, they passed laws so they wouldn't be.
@siradon2000 LOL! What a flaming moron you are. Democrats do not "pay" me to be here, where I rip Obama as much as any sell-out centrist "Democrat". If you call taxation "stealing", you are denouncing your citizenship in the United States. What is true stealing is corporations taking the work of others to make billions for themselves and paying slave wages to the workers they don't just lay off altogether. The idea that the GOP created a "surplus" is hilariously false.
@PrisonerNumber9653 They did create the surplus, its a fact. Who has control of the spending? Congress, since the majority in congress was Republicans during the majority of the Clinton Administration they should get the credit. Just as Democrats should get the credit for both the Bailouts and the Stimulus (although Republicans did have a hand in those as well). What is hilarious is how ignorant you are.
@siradon2000 No, they absolutely didn't. And you're right, Democrats SHOULD get credit for the bailouts and stimulus, both rousing successes, even in the opinion of conservative economists.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Name calling is the last resort of a person losing an argument. Do you feel you're losing this one? If so you should probably re-evaluate your position, maybe go over the information and actually come back with legitimate information other than "it is not" or "those are filthy racist lies".Your party has become far too reliant on those terms and few are fooled by it any more.If you have any facts that support your claims bring 'em, I'll evaluate them myself and pick em apart
@siradon2000 Why you're bringing up Nazis (or Nazi's, as you say, failing a 6th grade English class, obviously) given that they were built upon bigotry, racism, fascism, and far right ideals you're in no place to be calling anyone "Nazis" but yourselves.
My point is, whether its law or not doesn't make it right. Case in point when Goldman Sachs, and other banks were given the ability to give loans to people who couldn't afford them (allowed by Carter, enforced by Clinton), and then later selling those mortgages (allowed by the law Bush Jr. passed) to other banks across the globe. Morally it was wrong to take advantage of these people (some banks actually didn't and are better off for it), of course Goldman Sachs knew they'd be bailed out.
For them it was a win, win. The gamble they made, they knew was covered by the Federal Government. So they had no consequences of their poor decisions. Now we're hearing Obama is talking about roads and rails and an infrastructure bank. Do me a favor and look at the 10 goals of the communist manifesto. In essence he is trying to move us closer to communism, while trying to push us toward another bubble, (which failed statewide here in Michigan under Granholm). A short lived bubble at that.
@siradon2000 No, they did not know this, and it was NOT "poor decisions" to recognize fair housing. I've read the Communist Manifesto, and you're a five-alarm IDIOT if you think Obama is remotely "Communist" in wanting to rebuild infrastructure in this nation. It's NOT a "bubble", and Granholm didn't "fail", the right moved in and gutted the budget for infrastructure, costing thousands of jobs and harming the state long-term in order to give the rich more tax breaks.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Granholm Failed in Epic proportions. Lets see 1. Heavy Progressive Income Tax, check. 2. Government control of education, check. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly (Federal Reserve).
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (FCC) 7. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 8. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Americans call it government seizures,tax liens,Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 gives private land to urban development
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (FCC) 7. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 8. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Americans call it government seizures,tax liens,Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 gives private land to urban development
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned". This is seen in these as well as the Dept of Commerce and Labor, Dept of Interior, the EPA, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Mines, etc
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned". This is seen in these as well as the Dept of Commerce and Labor, Dept of Interior, the EPA, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Mines, etc
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocation and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
I know what a fool I am for thinking Obama is even close to being communist/socialist, or that people in our government have largely steered the united States in the direction of communism. How wrong of me PrisonNumber, after outlining the communist manifesto again I am greatly embarrassed. I can't believe I ever thought that... Apparently you failed to retain the knowledge and information after you read the communist manifesto, or realize how our government has applied many facets of it already
After outlining the communist manifesto again I feel like such a complete fool. How could I ever think that Obama or anyone in our government was in any way communist? Never mind that many facets have already been introduced and adopted in our country. Apparently you failed to retain any knowledge or choose to ignore how close we actually are to becoming another communist Russia.
@siradon2000 It is beyond idiotic to claim Obama or anyone in our government is Communist. There is exactly one democratic socialist, Bernie Sanders, and he is NOT a Communist. Obama ain't even a liberal. There is NOTHING "introduced" that is remotely Communist, and we're not within LIGHT YEARS of "another Communist Russia". The last McCarthyite mob was proven false and unamerican, but not before destroying a lot of innocent lives. That you'd try to dredge it up again is truly pathetic.
@siradon2000 What a load of shit. Progressive income tax and strong support for education is a GOOD thing, not a failure. It's a bald-faced LIE to claim "abolition of all rights of inheritance", taxing MASSIVE amounts of money inherited is NOT abolishing all rights. Nor is it a failure, particularly given the mess bankers have made of things the last couple of years because of deregulation, to want to keep a much closer eye on them.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Other than the fact that an income tax went completely against what the founding fathers laid out, never mind that though. Strong support for education is a good thing, provided its not simply indoctrination. Keeping a closer eye on Bankers is fine, its when private business' suffer and close up due to those newly imposed regulations that I have a problem.
@siradon2000 Horseshit. The founders said NOTHING against an income tax, in fact they said nothing about capitalism AT ALL, there's not ONE WORD in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution against socialism.
The right's horseshit about "indoctrination" is a flat out lie, education is what's happening. Telling the TRUTH about issues like global warming and the dark side of US history is what's pissing off conservatives.
Its not "fair housing" if the people couldn't pay the money back in the first place, and yes they were poor decisions. I live in Michigan, I think I know what went on while Granholm was in office.
@siradon2000 Yeah, asshole, it IS fair housing. Most of these people COULD pay the money back when the loans were made, or the loans WOULDN'T have been made. This isn't about them giving 100,000 dollar houses to homeless junkies with no money. People who had jobs lost them, people who could afford the smaller early payments saw them rise, sometimes substantially. It is NOT EVER a poor decision to help someone get housing, it's a human right. The poor decision is in putting greed ahead of it.
@PrisonerNumber9653 As I stated before "low introductory rate", and the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates down at ridiculous levels is no excuse for claiming these people could actually afford it. Again, it takes 2 to tango. People were foolish enough to sign the contract of that "ARM" and that's exactly what it cost them in the end. I'm sorry I have difficulty feeling sorry for people who willingly entered such a foolish contract, banks included.
@siradon2000 People were "foolish"? I'm pretty damn learned and couldn't begin to understand my mortgage, people were taken advantage of. Someone making a mistake in wanting to own a home isn't a sin. Opening up home ownership to more disadvantaged people is a goal we should continue to pursue.
@PrisonerNumber9653 All you had to do is understand what an Adjustable Rate Mortgage was and you Should have been put off by it. I agree opening up home ownership at ACTUAL affordable levels with a fixed rate is a good goal to pursue. However in the same token people with bad credit and no credit probably shouldn't be allowed to get into that kind of contract to begin with.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Are you kidding they had pawns on both sides of the boat, of course they knew. Ever heard of Timothy Geitner (Goldman Sachs), Rham Emanuel (Goldman Sachs), you talk about how corporations and their greed/corruption, but then ignore the fact that the game was rigged from the beginning.
@siradon2000 They were only needing to be "bailed out" because of the Bush recession, and the greed of "selling" these people back and forth WITHOUT REGULATION is a large cause of the problem. Yes, it's morally wrong to take advantage of the poor, and it's Republican deregulation that's caused it to happen.
@PrisonerNumber9653 LMAO at your ignorance. The only regulations done away with allowed banks to sell high risk loans, and that wasn't really taking advantage of the poor, it was taking advantage of other banks. The cause of the "Bush Recession" was actually caused by Carters "Affordable Housing Act" that Clinton enforced, which as I explained crashed in 2006. The problem is that the "Affordable Housing Act" didn't really make housing more affordable, and those people lost them.
On top of the people who lost them who couldn't afford them, people who were in those jobs that were created by the bubble that Clinton/Carter started finally started to dwindle (leveling off in 2004-2005). So work stayed steady up until the point where everything started leveling off. At that point there became less demand for housing, so people started getting laid off in construction, which caused a cascade across the economy, and caused people who did do the right things loss too.
@siradon2000 Yawn. Again with this "bubble" shit. Yes, lots of people who did the right thing did get screwed, but thanks to the Republicans (and far too many centrist Democrats including Obama) those who were really responsible came out better than ever.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Obama has ALWAYS been a PARTY LINE DEMOCRAT VOTER. Never once in his time as Senator did he deviate from the Democrat party vote. Obama isn't a "centrist" he never was. You can "yawn" all you like, but it doesn't make it go away. Yes many people who did the right thing lost their homes, bu they only entered into those contracts with a false sense of security created by an artificial bubble created by Clinton, and prolonged by the Federal Reserve.
@siradon2000 Horseshit, Obama IS a centrist, of this there is ZERO question. Being a "party line Democrat" is a load of bull, and the Democratic Party is LIGHT YEARS from being liberal now, it's run top to bottom by DLC Clintonian centrists.
you still want to punish the victims of greed, this "bubble" isn't the problem, the greed of the banking industry is.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, that's really funny. I suppose that's why they pushed through the Health Care Reform Act the way they did (and didn't even read the final bill before they voted on it). Actually I want to punish all who were involved with the scheme, unfortunately Obama and the Democrats just gave them money and said "its okay, we know its not your fault". The "Victims" should never have been foolish enough to enter into the contracts. I call them "Loan recipients", and they defaulted.
@siradon2000 They "pushed it through" because it was a vital piece of legislation which corporate greed had been killing with lies for DECADES (remember "Harry and Louise" and their pack of lies?) This "they didn't read it" hogwash was just more cheap politics, a totally irrelevant non-issue.
You STILL blame the victims, that's insane. You want to give the people who caused the problems a free pass because they're rich.
@siradon2000 You've yet to show any "ignorance" but your own. The banks were REMARKABLY unregulated, got away with scandalous behavior, and when finally busted on it, they'd fold up, fire a whole lot of workers, and the CEO leaves with a bonus in the millions. The poor WERE taken advantage of, that banks also screwed other banks merely shows the sort of people we're talking about here. The idea that the affordable housing act caused the Bush recession is right off the stable floor.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes the poor were taken advantage of, but they entered into those contracts of their own volition. No one forced them to do it, they made poor decisions, which is why they were considered high risk loans to begin with. Which is also why they should never have been allowed to get into those contracts, again thanks to Bill Clinton, and Carter.
@siradon2000 Wow, that's just vile. So, it's OK to allow the less educated to rot forever in ghettos because they're foolish! Fuck "poor decisions", they're in trouble because they're poor. They're losing their homes not because of "poor decisions" but because they don't have enough money. THAT is the problem, not their inability to negotiate a cutthroat contract with people whose entire existence is about sucking money from people because they want a decent home.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, see a foolish decision is a foolish decision. Don't like it, maybe you should send some hate mail to Bill Clinton, he allowed them to do it in the first place. Bad policies got us where the economy is, not just one man, or one party (although Democrats are largely to blame).
@siradon2000 Bullshit. Republicans and the greed of big business are to blame, Democrats are only to "blame" in electing too many limp centrists and not enough people who really fight for the people.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Again, its the Clinton Recession, you can't blame the guy behind the helm of the boat when the guy who had it before steered the boat at the fork toward the water fall. Actually selling debt was nothing, it was like transferring water from one end of the pool to the other. Have you ever heard of the Glass-Kleagle Act that Clinton got rid of. I agree de-regulation was part of the problem, but it wasn't Bush's that caused the problem it was Clinton's
@siradon2000 Lie. The bailouts and stimulus have greatly IMPROVED our economic standing, even conservative economists will admit this. We just didn't do nearly enough. Obama's new jobs bill is another baby step in the right direction.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually all the bailouts and stimulus have done is allowed bad debt to continue to be, rather than allowing that debt to be liquidated. Obama's new jobs bill will ultimately be more destructive than constructive.
@siradon2000 Bullshit. The stimulus has greatly improved the US economy. The jobs bill is far too small, but it isn't "destructive" to anything except Republicans who put getting elected ahead of serving the American people.
The debt is not a substantial issue, it's nowhere near our top priority.
@siradon2000 No, it's the Bush Recession, the economy was far better run under Clinton. And the problems caused by Clinton (and there are many) were because he was too conservative, not because he was a Democrat.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually Clinton is a very "liberal" Democrat, the Republicans at the time were actually conservative, which kept Clinton in check. Clinton didn't have much choice in the matter of being conservative. You're right it was better, but they did still add to the Deficit oddly enough. Where he did have the choice to continue the Glass-Steagle Act, he didn't (allowing sub-prime lending, and enforcing AHA).
@siradon2000 Oh, horseshit. Clinton isn't REMOTELY liberal, much less very liberal. The Republicans are not "conservative," they are fringe far right. Clinton didn't have any choice? BULLSHIT. He ran Arkansas for YEARS as a center right "Democrat" nobody forced him to be. He did the same bullshit attacking welfare in Little Rock before most people ever heard of Bill Clinton.
Actually what Fox does is what CNN, and all the other networks do. They omit facts, and spend more time commentating on why the opposing party is the cause of the problem. The economy didn't crash simply because of the wars, or the tax cuts. The economy crashed because the housing bubble popped (which was created by giving loans to people who couldn't afford them), the wars probably sped it up a bit because most of those people were getting Adjustable Rate Mortgages tied to Fed interest rates
@siradon2000 That's just bullshit. Fox is not REMOTELY comparable to CNN and other networks. It is a matter of POLICY at Fox to give a conservative bias to the news, it is NOT the policy of ANY other major network to have a political bias. Fox is run by Roger Ailes, who is not in any way qualified as a journalist, in and of itself a remarkably unethical move. The others are run by professional reporters.
The economy crashed because of the wars, the tax cuts, and other Bush mistakes.
@ptbwf Are you fucking KIDDING? Roger Ailes, who RUNS THE NEWSROOM at Fox, was a consultant for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I (and has NOTHING qualifying him to run a newsroom) John Moody, who is a news exec, has been proven to have sent out memos ENCOURAGING political bias. Fred Barnes runs the far-right Weekly Standard. Sean Hannity is the single most biased voice in all of broadcasting, there are others more conservative, NONE shills more openly for the Republican Party.
@ptbwf No, he's not, HE'S THE GUY WHO FIRES THE ANCHOR IF THE ANCHOR DOESN'T DO WHAT HE SAYS! He's VASTLY more powerful than the anchor (which is why these bullshit "polls" saying "such and such percentage of reporters voted for so and so are useless)
Even IF Matthews wanted to put his personal political bias into reporting, he'd never get away with it. What goes on the air gets reviewed and edited every day.
Three's nothing "irrelevant" about the examples. You're still pushing a lie.
@ptbwf And you're final sentence is also a flat-out lie. There is a MASSIVE group of people between socialism (which isn't remotely "nutty") and the far right. I don't call anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders "Far right." I call the far right the far right;
@ptbwf Mike Huckabee is a Republican former office holder and presidential candidate. William Kristol runs the Standard, and was on the staff of Dan Quayle and Bill Bennett, the worst thing ever to happen to public education in America. Michelle Malkin is a vicious bigot and one of the slimiest attack dogs and serial liars of the hard right. Oliver North is a mass murderer and part of the most vile scandal in US political history. Bill O'Reilly is the tool who helped get Dr. Tiller killed.
@PrisonerNumber9653 As opposed to Bill Clinton who likely had his former partner Vince Foster killed to protect his own assets. Shot in the head 3 times, 7 carpet fibers on him, found in a park, less than 2 weeks before he was to testify and ruled a "suicide. Nothing suspicious there...
@siradon2000 Wow, my God you really will believe any lie hate radio feeds you. It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Vince Foster committed suicide, and for the hard right to take this tragedy and try to pervert it to be a part of their campaign of slander against the Clintons, who were attacked and smeared more than any political family in American political history, is just sleazy. Just low.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Shot 3 times in the head, and had 7 carpet fibers, and its a suicide? Are you kidding me? I know, it was an automatic revolver right? You don't think that to be in the least bit suspicious? 7 different carpet fibers, not one, not two, seven, on a man found in the Park with 3 gun shots in his head.
@siradon2000 Wow, you will swallow the koolaid by the barrel, won't you.
VINCE FOSTER KILLED HIMSELF. This is a PROVEN FACT. That the hard right exploits this tragedy as part of the sleazy campaign of slander and hate against the Clintons is as immoral as can be.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, see I have a hard time buying into that when the investigation lasted less than a day. You probably didn't know Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors when Wal-Mart was a worker hating company either (they've gotten better since those days). I don't have to slander, its just very questionable. Shot himself in the head 3 times, really? Why don't you ask that Congresswoman how easy it is to get back up after 1 shot to the head, much less 2.
@siradon2000 Lie. This was THOROUGHLY investigated, there is a MOUNTAIN of proof the man killed himself. You're falling for pathetic lies ONLY because they're what you want to believe, anything to make any Democrat look bad.
No, Wal-Mart has NOT gotten any better, and yeah, you DO need to slander and smear people.
Foster was NOT shot three times, he shot himself ONCE in the head. It was a tragedy, and it's truly scummy to try to exploit it for gutter politics.
@ptbwf Cal Thomas is kingpin of the radical religious right, blasphemously spreading hate and bigotry in the name of Jesus Christ. And Juan Williams was just fired from his last job because, in part, of disgustingly bigoted comments about Muslims. And that's just a small sample
But I don't care about the opinion shows. The NEWS bias is the problem...and is ABSENT at MSNBC, ABC, OR CNN. There is NOT a "liberal media" outside a few small magazines.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah and NPR was never biased in any way. Speaking of people being high up having control of things. What party affiliation does Ted Turner have (owner of Turner broadcasting and long time Democrat). Speaking of higher ups with political agenda's he has control of thousands of broadcast sites, so in your mind he has ultimate control, and anything he doesn't like goes right? Or does that only work for Republican people? Get real, media has bias everywhere.
@siradon2000 No, in fact independent research shows time and again that NPR and PBS are the LEAST biased of any major news source. Ted Turner is a Democrat, just as many people who operate at the high levels of NBC, CBS, ect are Republicans. It COULD NOT MATTER LESS. Ted Turner doesn't write the news, edit the news, manage the news room, or read the news.
It has nothing to do with "only works for Republicans", the bias of Fox is documented and blatant.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Is that "Independent Research" also Democrat funded? Actually it seems you are rather missing the fact that some of the people at Fox worked for CNN.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You know repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. Actually it is very true of many networks, and very prevalent in specific tv programs.
@siradon2000 And you repeating this hysterical myth doesn't make it true, either. There is ZERO liberal bias in the mainstream news. It doesn't EXIST. The claim, for instance, that MSNBC is "liberal" is talking about OPINION PROGRAMMING, not their news. Their news is done by a totally separate operation, which doesn't even work in the same office as Rachel Maddow. Their NEWS doesn't have a bias. The problem with Fox isn't the hard right shows, it's a heavy right wing bias in news reporting.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Funny thing, the new White House Correspondent was originally the CNN White house correspondent. Odd how simply changing networks changes your perception.
@siradon2000 A correspondent doesn't set newsroom policy. The policy at Fox News is to promote the views of the right, and this new correspondent doesn't do that, they won't be at Fox long.
Correspondents don't mean jack. Explain what Roger Ailes has in his background that makes him appropriate to run a news room.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually he's the President of Fox News. Ailes' career in television began in Cleveland and Philadelphia, where he started as property assistant (1962) producer (1965) and executive producer (1967–1968) for KYW-TV,[5] for a then-locally produced talk-variety show, The Mike Douglas Show. He later became executive producer for the show, which was syndicated nationally. He was nominated for, but failed to win a Daytime Emmy Awards for it in 1968
@siradon2000 Ailes runs the news room, and NOT in an ethical way. You're describing a career that would be appropriate to decide to run "The SImpsons" on Thursday instead of Sunday, NOT to tell reporters who to interview and what to ask.
It was in this position, in 1967, that he had a spirited discussion about television in politics with one of the show's guests, Richard Nixon, who took the view that television was a gimmick. Later, Nixon called on Ailes to serve as his executive producer of TV. Nixon's election victory was only Ailes's first venture into the political spotlight. Maybe its just me, but being in Broadcasting for DECADES seems to be a pretty good reason to me.
@siradon2000 Ailes has been in broadcasting for decades DEVOTED TO PROMOTING RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA. I didn't ask about his broadcasting background, I asked about his JOURNALISM background. He has none. No qualifications to run a news room at all. Zero. It's like having a news room run by Ralph Nader. It would outrage the right (as it should) If he wants to put out conservative propaganda and spin and lies, that's his choice. Calling it "news" is a lie, pretending it's "fair and balanced" a lie.
@siradon2000 The housing "bubble" was a reaction to, not cause of, the recession. It was NOT caused by "giving loans to people who couldn't afford them", they COULD when they were set up, then the economy tanked and they lost jobs, and instead of riding it out greedy bankers tried to foreclose THAT is the problem, greed, not poor people wanting to own a home, like we ALL do.
Adjustable Rate Mortgages shouldn't be allowed, or should at least be restricted.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I have a few words for you "Low Introductory Interest Rate". Yes the housing bubble was the CAUSE of the Recession, it created a bubble that when leveled off lost momentum and created a cascade (or domino effect) across the economy. Riding it out? Do you realize how long these Banks have to wait in order to foreclose? Do you realize that you can re-negotiate your loan if you get behind? The last thing they want is to foreclose on these houses.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are such a fool. Do you realize that these banks generally have to wait at least a year to foreclose? Did you know that you can re-negotiate payments if you get behind? Foreclosure is the last thing these banks want to do because they usually lose money on from it. I had to move out of my last apt because they were foreclosing on the house. Come to find out my landlord hadn't paid on the house in 2 years (I always paid rent on time though). He re-negotiated 3 times.
@siradon2000 No, I know that's a flat out lie, they certainly do NOT have to wait a year. Yes, you can SOMETIMES re-negotiate payments, yet many, many THOUSANDS of people still lost their homes. BECAUSE THEY LOSE MONEY ON IT? The poor dears. They don't give a shit about people, just about money.
Your landlord obviously had means to pay and was screwing up somewhere else, this isn't about people like him.
@PrisonerNumber9653 They can start the process after 3 months of failure to pay, but the process itself generally takes a year or longer. Actually my landlord was out of work himself, has/had back problems. He had a house of his own he was paying on, and two rental properties. One of which was mostly vacant for 2 years. The other I was a tenant for 6 years, and there would be months when he had no tenants in the other apt's. Actually this is about people like him, that got in over their heads
Its a fact that the media lies/omits information. Whether the purpose is to save time, to push a certain agenda, or as a matter of "National Security", they all do it, and none of them are any better than the other in the ways they do it. New York Times is a pretty good example, they called the Obama picture made to look like the "Joker" Racist, yet shortly before they showed a picture of Bush (featured as a full page) and marveled at how it was a "brilliant satire".
@siradon2000 No, it's NOT a fact, it's a bald-faced lie cooked up by the far right to cover their misdeeds. There is NOT a "liberal agenda" or "bias" in professional reporting. It just doesn't exist.
The New York Times did NOT call the Obama picture to which you refer racist (although it was) they quoted OTHERS as saying it. Calling a picture "brilliant satire" is OBVIOUSLY not a news story, it was either a quote or an opinion piece, you understand the difference between news and opinion?
@jbuckle2 Vile, racist lies. There's nothing "disgusting" about them, it's racist horseshit to call them "racist," they're not REMOTELY "anti-American", and aren't REMOTELY "freeloaders."
He's not ruining this nation, he's bringing it BACK from ruin. Obama isn't a "fearmonger" for telling the TRUTH. Don't blaspheme by pretending God is behind your hateful trash, and Fox is NOT 'the truth", it's biased trash without any credibility. You want propaganda, not truth.
@PrisonerNumber9653 So let me get this straight. Bush is evil for spending so much in the war in Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama is fixing things by spending 2X as much there. Bush is evil for doubling the deficit in 8 years. Obama is the bringing it back by doubling the deficit in 2 years? Yes Fox is Biased for the Republican agenda, just as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc are biased toward the Democrat Agenda. I need only point to Keith Olberman, Joy Behar, and Bill Maher .
@siradon2000 Wow, you do lie like a pro. I have said NOTHING remotely like what you've said here. Bush was evil for STARTING these wars with a pack of lies, and Obama is DEAD WRONG in continuing them. Obama is NOT spending twice as much there, the deficit is about the Bush recession, overspending on the military and obscenely low taxes on the wealthy. Fox is biased, it's a hysterical LIE that any of the others you mention are "biased". NONE of those you "point" to is a REPORTER.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I know your not going to blame the spending on bush? The solution is not taxing the rich more. The solution is cut the real wasteful spending by the government and cutting their massive paychecks. Why is it not ok for a business to grow wealth? Just because its making alot of money its ok to take it? They made it and it belongs to them. Taxes are robbery. Obama works for the same people that bush worked for you better take a closer look cause Its all setup.
@fucut00b No, it's not the entire answer, just the major part of it. It is insane to have the lowest taxes in history on the wealthiest Americans as millions don't have enough to eat. The REAL wasteful spending is the billions we waste on warmaking and empire building. There's almost NOBODY in public service who couldn't be making more in the private sector.
Businesses don't "grow wealth", corporations hoard wealth. Taxes is "robbery" only if you declare you're not an American.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm curious, if corporations "hoard wealth" then why do so many people still have jobs? Granted they try to cut wasteful spending as any good business would do, but that hardly qualifies as "hoarding". Although your idea of "hoarding" is what we used to call "saving", its what a fiscally responsible person or business does in case there is trouble down the road.
You're absolutely right the "war making" is a major cause, but comparatively versus "social programs" its a tiny problem. Please watch the documentary "I.O.U.S.A." you'll like it because it's not nice to Bush as far as fiscal responsibility is concerned. Business' do in fact grow wealth, Bill Gates never even completed College, but he invested his time and money building a business, to become one of the wealthiest in America, employing hundreds of thousands, who help make their own wealth.
@fucut00b No, Bush isn't entirely responsible, Obama's broken a pledge to end these dreadful wars and has INCREASED spending on Pentagon Pork. Yeah, it is all set up, the whole system's rigged for the rich to get richer and the poor to get screwed. Workers slaving away stacking boxes at 3 in the morning and getting minimum wage while the CEO rakes in millions, THAT is robbery. Increase taxes on the wealthy, A LOT, end the wars NOW, increase spending on those who need it, on education.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You keep going back to education, and referred to grammar. Are you in the education field by chance? By the way Governor Granholm CUT EDUCATION at least 2 times in Michigan while she was in office that I'm aware of, she also increased the "sin tax" 2 times. You want the wars to end, vote for Ron Paul. He is the only one who has shown any fiscal concern through out his entire political career. Anyone else is just pandering to get votes.
@fucut00b Actually taxing the wealthy more is ABSOLUTELY a major part of the solution. "Wasteful spending" outside the billions we waste on warmaking, this is just the hard right trying to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, and the programs they're cutting don't just reduce suffering but employ THOUSANDS. This is why we have so much unemployment.
Hoarding wealth is NOT "ok", it's immoral. They did NOT make the money, they STOLE it from workers and consumers. Taxes are NOT robbery.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, see those programs that also employ people. They require private sector jobs in order to operate. Your lovely "social programs" account for about 3 trillion in spending each year, versus the wars Bush started that during his time in office cost about 1.2 trillion total. So yes it really is government run robbery. You are not entitled to what I have, any more than I am entitled to what you have, and the same goes for the "wealthy".
@PrisonerNumber9653 They stole it from the workers and consumers? The thing about being a consumer is that you actually have to want the product, so no theft there. The workers when applying for the job agree to the starting salary, and make what other competitive workers in their field make, so no theft there. Where theft occurs is when people take against another person's will. Only then is it theft. You talk about grammar, yet you fail to understand the words you use, are you confused?
@fucut00b You are correct about one thing, it IS setup. The whole system is rigged so the rich get richer and the poor get screwed, while ignorant people like you cheer on the whole vile operation, claiming the wealthy "earn" their millions and billions...as if children "earn" having not enough to eat, crappy schools, and no access to decent health care.
@PrisonerNumber9653 See you're talking about adding taxes to the "wealthy". You do realize that if they are paying "income tax" they do receive an income right? They do earn it, because people have decided that they are worth it. Just as a sports athlete has been decided to be worth spending millions on per year. No children don't "earn having not enough to eat", crappy schools. You think medicare/medicaid is crappy, wait til "Obamacare" kicks in, lol.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yet you still vote for Democrats, how odd. The first thing Governor Granholm (Democrat) did when the state had money woes was to cut education. The she decided to raise taxes on corporations and take promised breaks away, and then business' moved out of the State, so she did the same thing again, and the same thing happened. See, I've gotten to witness what Obama is proposing first hand. It doesn't work, and thanks to Democrats we are looking at over 3% more unemployment.
@siradon2000 I still vote for Democrats because as bad as many of them are the Republicans are much worse.
Blaming Obama for unemployment's preposterous. There has been job GROWTH in the private sector. We have a high rate of joblessness because of Republican-led cuts in PUBLIC sector employment. Every time a GOP-led legislature cuts the state department of whatever, not only do the people served by them suffer, but hundreds or thousands lose their jobs.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Public Sector Employment may as well be no employment. Yes Michigan has seen Job Growth, we're still well above the national average in un-employment. The mistake of the current administration, like that of every administration of the recent past, is to think that the economy is simple and can be fixed with one of the two so-called tools, "Stimulus" spending or Tax Cuts.
@siradon2000 The reason our economic policymakers do not want to take the route of economic recovery is that it is not simple or fast-acting. The real job of fixing the economy requires a detailed analysis of our economic problems, exploring the options and choosing an effective policy. I am sad to see that it was never done during the last several decades. We have separated true economics from our economic policies! They must give up the old tools and face reality.
They must not forget the fundamental truth that a government has very little power to bring about economic change by its spending or tax programs. They can help the economy by catering to its weaknesses. An economy is not a country’s GDP or employment. Those are outward indicators. An economy consists of the rules, customs, laws and traditions that a country adopts related to its production and distribution. It is about time that we look into those real issues.
They must not forget the fundamental truth that a government has very little power to bring about economic change by its spending or tax programs. They can help the economy by catering to its weaknesses. An economy is not a country’s GDP or employment. Those are outward indicators. An economy consists of the rules, customs, laws and traditions that a country adopts related to its production and distribution. It is about time that we look into those real issues.
@siradon2000 And the people screaming at these tea party mobs don't WANT something that isn't simple or fast-acting. I'm perfectly aware there isn't a simple answer to the overall problem of the economy. But people are dying EVERY SINGLE DAY from the effects of poverty, and we don't do SHIT to help them, in fact we cut programs and INCREASE the problem. Repeatedly. Fix THAT problem, stop underfunding our schools, THEN we can talk about how to make Wall Street fat and happy again.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I agree with everything you say except "underfunding the schools." Catholic schools give better results than public schools on about $10,000 per year. The managers of the public schools should be all fired and bring in non-union professional managers who can make bonuses based on results. This applies to teachers also. I saw a show where one teacher in N.Y. C. was convicted with of sex with a 15 year old girl in the school were he taught. 5 years later he is on salary.
@xmenrus I'm glad to see agreement, but I'm afraid you're badly mistaken about education. It's not "better results" to block kids from low income families, block kids with significant disabilities, block kids with other obstacles and then try to compare the final product. Tiss right wing hogwash to blame the selfless, underpaid teachers who are the backbone of this nation in order to bring in "non-union" teachers, meaning teachers who've been illegally robbed of rights to pay them less.
@xmenrus Wow, are you incredibly stupid. You think the Nazis were renowned for paying public school teachers well?
And the rights being robbed from workers through the hard right's vicious attacks on unions are FAR more than just pay. People fought and died for those rights, and they include things we all take for granted now, like a 40 hour work week, weekends off, child labor laws, safer working conditions, and most of all the right to bargain COLLECTIVELY when those rights AREN'T being met.
@xmenrus It's a horrible idea to base pay on "results", meaning test scores. It's already far too hard to find teachers who'll work with troubled kids, and there's already far too much emphasis on standardized tests, which teach kids nothing.
You saw "a show"? From whom? Attacking teachers,often with a total disregard for facts, is a major industry for the hard right echo chamber. Was he "on salary" meaning NOT IN THE CLASSROOM? What other circumstances surround the case?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually teachers who "work with troubled kids" do get paid more as an incentive to work with them. I know a "special ed" teacher, she's married to my previous employer. Again the issue isn't the teacher's pay, its Administrative more than anything.
@xmenrus It's a horrible idea to base pay on "results", meaning test scores. It's already far too hard to find teachers who'll work with troubled kids, and there's already far too much emphasis on standardized tests, which teach kids nothing.
You saw "a show"? From whom? Attacking teachers,often with a total disregard for facts, is a major industry for the hard right echo chamber. Was he "on salary" meaning NOT IN THE CLASSROOM? What other circumstances surround the case?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes people are dying every day, perhaps we should be focusing on relief here rather than the rest of the world? Did you know that each country in the U.N. pays dues, and the United States pays for many of these other countries? Maybe you missed the Public education part, but they aren't under funded, they simply don't manage the money well, seriously you should watch "The Cartel" its very interesting.
@siradon2000 NO, moron, we should do BOTH. There are enough resources in this nation to feed the world, to use poverty in the US as an excuse to cut the PITTANCE we spend on foreign aid is sick and wrong.
I know that the US owes the UN a great deal of money, and ignores what they say if the US government doesn't like it. We're a hugely irresponsible member of the world community.
I know that public education is TERRIBLY underfunded.
"Cartel" was shit, attacking teachers and pushing vouchers.
@siradon2000 That's the stupidest thing you've said yet. Public sector employment "may as well be no employment"? That's sheer idiocy. It's EVERY BIT as much employment as working for the private sector, with the significant ADDED benefit of serving the community, state, and nation in that work. It's insane to claim Obama thinks this is "simple", and the stimulus DID greatly improve the economy, there was far too little of it done. Saving GM probably had a bit of an impact on Michigan, right?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes "saving GM" did have an impact on Michigan, we're still over 10% unemployment. Actually since government jobs require money from the private sector they cannot exist without that support. I don't believe that they really benefit the state and nation, they are drawing money that could be better spent in the community for those who need it. Those people could have gotten private sector jobs and provided services there, or donated their time instead of receiving a salary.
@siradon2000 Where would that 10% be had GM bitten the dust? Far higher.
Who CARES that government jobs "require money from the private sector"? Of course they do, and should. It's IDIOCY to claim they don't benefit the state and nation, they absolutely do. Education doesn't benefit anyone? Building projects? Mass transit? of COURSE they benefit the community greatly.
"Private sector jobs" exist to make someone rich, NOT to help people.
@PrisonerNumber9653 The Bush recession, you mean the one Bill Clinton CAUSED by ENFORCING the "AFFORDABLE HOMES ACT" passed during JIMMY CARTERS administration? Which allowed people who couldn't pay the loans back to get home mortgages (of course it sounds nice when it says "affordable homes" but it didn't really make them more affordable, it just let them get into a loan). Deficit in 2005 (Republican Majority) was about 150 billion, Deficit 2006 (Democrat Majority) about 400 billion.
Now I know this is a really difficult thing for you to do. Go to wikipedia and look up the War in Iraq/Afghanistan, they have all of the figures spent on the wars right there. If you don't believe me, you look at the numbers yourself. I don't have to lie, I don't like Fox any more than I like CNN, and I religiously avoid both as best I can. If I happen to see something interesting I will further investigate the information for myself and come to a conclusion on my own.
My point is there is far too much opinion in the "NEWS" instead of facts. The views of the "News Reporters" virulently emanate from the words they choose to speak and the information that they choose to omit. It is bias in the way that they choose to portray situations by deceptively removing facts that should remain as a means to inform. Unfortunately this is part of a large deception that has been going on for far too long. You are right what this is now, is evil and wrong.
@siradon2000 No, there's not opinion in the news. Reporters do NOT choose their words themselves, they go through a process of editors and managers. If a reporter WANTED to screw around with this, and no professional does, he or she would have no chance of getting away with it, unless it was corporate policy, and the only place that is true is Fox. This claim of "liberal bias" in the media was a fable created to cover Agnew and Nixon's massive corruption, it's never died in spite of being bunk.
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ChanneledKnowledge 2 days ago
She aint proud to be American. Fuck her traitor ass.
JawsJaws 3 weeks ago
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FREEDOM to kill who we want to. FREEDOM to manipulate other governments. FREEDOM to torture. FREEDOM to build more munitions to cause more death and destruction. Yeah you're right they hate us for our FREEDOMS alright, but then again so would I.
itchyparts1 1 month ago
Oh lord! People still defend these criminals?? Lying to get elected should be a crime. Michele Obama makes me sick. I turn off any news which portrays the Obama's in a positive light. HE STRAIGHT UP LIED TO EVERYONE JUST LIKE BUSH. LIED TO YOUR FACES PEOPLE!!! wake up and smell the coffee, all these presidents are at the mercy of financial institutions. Stop being a sheep.
TheBreakSnake 2 months ago
@TheBreakSnake If you're looking for a president who does not lie and has never lied, you're not going to get it. So what were you looking for again?
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RevolutionNewsUS 2 months ago
I hate to burst your Democrat loving bubble, but Democrats accept donations from individuals from big business and oil. Obama accepted over 200,000 from employees of big oil alone. He also accepted about 1 million from Goldman Sachs employees. So save the "Republicans and their supporters" for someone more gullible/ignorant, ok?
siradon2000 2 months ago
I don't think you understand economics and why we are where we're at. For every dollar spent by the government another 4 in GDP is lost. Historically Bailouts/Stimulus have actually extended economic recovery, not help it. The reason this has become a depression (as you call it) is because of all this government spending. Money doesn't go as far because of the inflation caused by the massive printing of money. No one had to help Obama fail, his own policies landed him flat on his face.
siradon2000 2 months ago
@HayZing You need to check your facts there mate. Obama for the first 2 years of his Administration had a DEMOCRAT MAJORITY IN CONGRESS. It was because of this fact that he actually managed to get the Health Care bill passed in the first place. Actually this Administration has failed because of its policies, specifically with the Bailout, and Stimulus, and now the "Jobs Bill" (Stimulus mark 2). Those spending sprees cause inflation, and only puts money in the hands of the rich.
siradon2000 2 months ago
@HayZing Ummm, you do realize that the tax cuts given to the people were given evenly across the board right? Lower, middle, and upper all received the same cuts. ""Boehner's bill dies tonight," House Majority Leader Harry Reid's spokesman Adam Jentleson announced on Twitter Thursday afternoon when it was thought the House would vote on the bill in just a matter of hours. "Forever."
“before the addition of the balanced-budget amendment — mirrored an agreement worked out with Reid last weekend.”
siradon2000 2 months ago
@siradon2000 I saw the party of "NO" working very hard. Dems make the claim the GOP is the party of NO, yet GOP changed their stance on cutting the deficit before even hearing what Democrats wanted changed. In fact both bills within a months time were completely shut down by Democrats without so much as a discussion, or how to change or improve the bills. Seems to me Dems are projecting their actions on others again. A balanced budget was a deal breaker, really? That was why Dems got majority
siradon2000 2 months ago
@righttoright1 Defintely not. Hermain Cain just wants his turn to fuck the rectum of America. We need Ron Paul 2012. That's real leadership you dickhead.
NWFWMbudwieser 2 months ago
Fat bitch
sgwbyyy 3 months ago
this really proves that white people do exist in america. jealousy, stupidity, and racism equals a white politician. and one more thing im not black nor white.
LILOSHORTY 3 months ago
> Fuck FOX NEWS
WarGeneraL88 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 That's funny, there was someone who once said that using race as an excuse to implement social programs was a devious, deceptive tactic to destroy nations. Seems its rather effective...
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Calling Affirmative Action and other attempts to EQUALIZE OPPORTUNITY is not REMOTELY "devious", doesn't do anything at all "deceptive", and isn't 'destroying' ANYTHING except injustice and inequality.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No, actually liberal was originally reserved for people who support civil rights, and that was all it really means. None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with civil rights.
siradon2000 4 months ago
Wow am shocked at all there mean yes meaness toward michelle obama, its like ther epicking out certain words and interpretating the rest. Why shouldnt she be proud of her husband bill clintons wife stuck by him when he had head by lewinski!!!!!
femylafi 4 months ago
Damn it! Lucas has changed the movies aga......oh shit wrong video.
TheForceFollower94 4 months ago 2
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”-Thomas Jefferson
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”- Thomas Jefferson
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .” -Thomas Jefferson
What you don't seem to get PrisonerNumber9653 is that this is a very old game, only we can stop
siradon2000 4 months ago
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@siradon2000 You're right, greed is a very old game, one we MUST stop, as is the pathetic little old game of perverting old quotations to try to pretend that Thomas Jefferson would agree with the hard right who constantly attack the brilliant government and nation Thomas Jefferson helped establish. You seem to think wasting billions bombing the world into submission is fine, but feeding children is "too much government".
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are a fool, both need to be stopped. Spending over all needs to brought to a halt. I have no problem feeding children. I do however have a problem with people in government taking the majority of the money to make their own wealth before giving the remainder to those who actually need it. I also have a problem with millionaires receiving wel-fare, and food stamps because they only have "liquid assets".
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 The vilest of lies. Feeding children is NOT "Government taking the money to make their own wealth" government has NO wealth, they don't just stick it in non-existent pockets.
And I'm fine with the money going to those who need it, not millionaires, and while the Dems have their problems in this area it's most Republicans trying to do this, huge giveaways to the wealthy and corporations.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
I hate niggers
thisismyusername4456 5 months ago
@leiyoko90 He does seem awfully close to Rham Emanuel, always going to spas together in new york, wearing the same suits and same color ties. They make a great couple don't they? LOL
siradon2000 5 months ago
ive never been proud of america. ever.
ThePsychoticScyth396 5 months ago
@ThePsychoticScyth396 If you still live in America, maybe you should move to a place where you are proud to call home. See how far your freedoms go in say Iraq or another Muslim run Country (I hope you're not Christian, because they kill you for simply having a bible in many of those countries).
siradon2000 5 months ago
Many years ago when it first came on, I noticed something strange in the way this station conducted itself on important matters. Always sided, partial, demeaning and sensationalist. And then, they brought in this obnoxious mr-who-thinks-he-is, (i don't remember his name) shouting and vomiting his brains out (one can only imagine the stench!) on live TV about stuff he knew absolutely nothing about. It's been years since I last saw anything on fox and I do believe I haven't missed much at all.
CBJAMPA 5 months ago
Fuck this stupid bitch shes just as dumb as her husband
fucut00b 5 months ago
The Obamas are disgusting, anti-American, racist freeloaders. He is ruining this country and she is enjoying the ride... on us. They are the most despicable bunch I have ever seen. He is the greatest fearmonger! GOD will bless this country again in 2012. Fox is the only place to get the truth and the other side.
jbuckle2 5 months ago
@jbuckle2
I see. So I guess trying to help people is anti-American? Also, explain to me how they're racist or disgusting?
I bet you probably think taking away our freedoms, waging false wars, taking our Country from a surplus to a 14Trillion deficit, and de-unionizing the Nation is American, huh?
I think God should spend his time helping the starving people in Somalia rather than trying to help us because we were fucked by the GOP and FOX is filled with liars.
It's a fact that FOX lies.
TheeHarsha 5 months ago
@TheeHarsha The government isn't God, and they take a cut, while stealing the money from everyone above the poverty level. Although you have to look at the Republican party Majority from 1994-2000 who actually made the surplus happen. Just as you have to give the economic credit to Clinton for enforcing Carters "Affordable Housing Act" that created the "housing bubble" that popped in 2006. Of course you would ignore that Obama administration signed the "Patriot Act", and "Bush Tax Cuts" back in
siradon2000 5 months ago
@siradon2000 Horseshit. The government doesn't steal ONE PENNY. The GOP has NOTHING to do with creating surplus.
No, I do NOT ignore that Obama signed the Patriot Act, or the Bush tax cuts, or any number of other things reminding us again that he is no liberal at all. If the Democrats put up a remotely qualified candidate to oppose him in the primary, I'd work hard for another candidate. I'd take a leave from work to campaign full time for Kusinich or another true liberal, but it's doubtful.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm sure the Democrats would pay you well, as they do many of their employees, I mean uh volunteers. Actually passing a law that takes from people money against their will, and in no way benefits them is stealing. Actually its a fact the GOP from 1994-2000 were in control of Congress, and the Budget, hence they created the surplus that the Bush Administration spent like Democrats. You know nothing the Nazi's did was illegal, they passed laws so they wouldn't be.
siradon2000 4 months ago
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@siradon2000 LOL! What a flaming moron you are. Democrats do not "pay" me to be here, where I rip Obama as much as any sell-out centrist "Democrat". If you call taxation "stealing", you are denouncing your citizenship in the United States. What is true stealing is corporations taking the work of others to make billions for themselves and paying slave wages to the workers they don't just lay off altogether. The idea that the GOP created a "surplus" is hilariously false.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 They did create the surplus, its a fact. Who has control of the spending? Congress, since the majority in congress was Republicans during the majority of the Clinton Administration they should get the credit. Just as Democrats should get the credit for both the Bailouts and the Stimulus (although Republicans did have a hand in those as well). What is hilarious is how ignorant you are.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 No, they absolutely didn't. And you're right, Democrats SHOULD get credit for the bailouts and stimulus, both rousing successes, even in the opinion of conservative economists.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
I didn't say they did, but the have many times in the past and present paid people to do the very things that you were talking about.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Name calling is the last resort of a person losing an argument. Do you feel you're losing this one? If so you should probably re-evaluate your position, maybe go over the information and actually come back with legitimate information other than "it is not" or "those are filthy racist lies".Your party has become far too reliant on those terms and few are fooled by it any more.If you have any facts that support your claims bring 'em, I'll evaluate them myself and pick em apart
siradon2000 4 months ago
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@siradon2000 Why you're bringing up Nazis (or Nazi's, as you say, failing a 6th grade English class, obviously) given that they were built upon bigotry, racism, fascism, and far right ideals you're in no place to be calling anyone "Nazis" but yourselves.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
My point is, whether its law or not doesn't make it right. Case in point when Goldman Sachs, and other banks were given the ability to give loans to people who couldn't afford them (allowed by Carter, enforced by Clinton), and then later selling those mortgages (allowed by the law Bush Jr. passed) to other banks across the globe. Morally it was wrong to take advantage of these people (some banks actually didn't and are better off for it), of course Goldman Sachs knew they'd be bailed out.
siradon2000 4 months ago
For them it was a win, win. The gamble they made, they knew was covered by the Federal Government. So they had no consequences of their poor decisions. Now we're hearing Obama is talking about roads and rails and an infrastructure bank. Do me a favor and look at the 10 goals of the communist manifesto. In essence he is trying to move us closer to communism, while trying to push us toward another bubble, (which failed statewide here in Michigan under Granholm). A short lived bubble at that.
siradon2000 4 months ago
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@siradon2000 No, they did not know this, and it was NOT "poor decisions" to recognize fair housing. I've read the Communist Manifesto, and you're a five-alarm IDIOT if you think Obama is remotely "Communist" in wanting to rebuild infrastructure in this nation. It's NOT a "bubble", and Granholm didn't "fail", the right moved in and gutted the budget for infrastructure, costing thousands of jobs and harming the state long-term in order to give the rich more tax breaks.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Granholm Failed in Epic proportions. Lets see 1. Heavy Progressive Income Tax, check. 2. Government control of education, check. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 4. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly (Federal Reserve).
siradon2000 4 months ago
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (FCC) 7. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 8. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Americans call it government seizures,tax liens,Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 gives private land to urban development
siradon2000 4 months ago
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6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (FCC) 7. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes. 8. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Americans call it government seizures,tax liens,Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 gives private land to urban development
siradon2000 4 months ago
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned". This is seen in these as well as the Dept of Commerce and Labor, Dept of Interior, the EPA, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Mines, etc
siradon2000 4 months ago
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7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned". This is seen in these as well as the Dept of Commerce and Labor, Dept of Interior, the EPA, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Mines, etc
siradon2000 4 months ago
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocation and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
siradon2000 4 months ago
I know what a fool I am for thinking Obama is even close to being communist/socialist, or that people in our government have largely steered the united States in the direction of communism. How wrong of me PrisonNumber, after outlining the communist manifesto again I am greatly embarrassed. I can't believe I ever thought that... Apparently you failed to retain the knowledge and information after you read the communist manifesto, or realize how our government has applied many facets of it already
siradon2000 4 months ago
After outlining the communist manifesto again I feel like such a complete fool. How could I ever think that Obama or anyone in our government was in any way communist? Never mind that many facets have already been introduced and adopted in our country. Apparently you failed to retain any knowledge or choose to ignore how close we actually are to becoming another communist Russia.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 It is beyond idiotic to claim Obama or anyone in our government is Communist. There is exactly one democratic socialist, Bernie Sanders, and he is NOT a Communist. Obama ain't even a liberal. There is NOTHING "introduced" that is remotely Communist, and we're not within LIGHT YEARS of "another Communist Russia". The last McCarthyite mob was proven false and unamerican, but not before destroying a lot of innocent lives. That you'd try to dredge it up again is truly pathetic.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@siradon2000 What a load of shit. Progressive income tax and strong support for education is a GOOD thing, not a failure. It's a bald-faced LIE to claim "abolition of all rights of inheritance", taxing MASSIVE amounts of money inherited is NOT abolishing all rights. Nor is it a failure, particularly given the mess bankers have made of things the last couple of years because of deregulation, to want to keep a much closer eye on them.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Other than the fact that an income tax went completely against what the founding fathers laid out, never mind that though. Strong support for education is a good thing, provided its not simply indoctrination. Keeping a closer eye on Bankers is fine, its when private business' suffer and close up due to those newly imposed regulations that I have a problem.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Horseshit. The founders said NOTHING against an income tax, in fact they said nothing about capitalism AT ALL, there's not ONE WORD in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution against socialism.
The right's horseshit about "indoctrination" is a flat out lie, education is what's happening. Telling the TRUTH about issues like global warming and the dark side of US history is what's pissing off conservatives.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
Its not "fair housing" if the people couldn't pay the money back in the first place, and yes they were poor decisions. I live in Michigan, I think I know what went on while Granholm was in office.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Yeah, asshole, it IS fair housing. Most of these people COULD pay the money back when the loans were made, or the loans WOULDN'T have been made. This isn't about them giving 100,000 dollar houses to homeless junkies with no money. People who had jobs lost them, people who could afford the smaller early payments saw them rise, sometimes substantially. It is NOT EVER a poor decision to help someone get housing, it's a human right. The poor decision is in putting greed ahead of it.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 As I stated before "low introductory rate", and the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates down at ridiculous levels is no excuse for claiming these people could actually afford it. Again, it takes 2 to tango. People were foolish enough to sign the contract of that "ARM" and that's exactly what it cost them in the end. I'm sorry I have difficulty feeling sorry for people who willingly entered such a foolish contract, banks included.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 People were "foolish"? I'm pretty damn learned and couldn't begin to understand my mortgage, people were taken advantage of. Someone making a mistake in wanting to own a home isn't a sin. Opening up home ownership to more disadvantaged people is a goal we should continue to pursue.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 All you had to do is understand what an Adjustable Rate Mortgage was and you Should have been put off by it. I agree opening up home ownership at ACTUAL affordable levels with a fixed rate is a good goal to pursue. However in the same token people with bad credit and no credit probably shouldn't be allowed to get into that kind of contract to begin with.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Sure, EVERYONE knows what an adjustable rate mortgage is. Give me a fucking break.
The problem has NOTHING AT ALL to do with "bad credit", it's entirely about greed and fraud by the bankers.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Are you kidding they had pawns on both sides of the boat, of course they knew. Ever heard of Timothy Geitner (Goldman Sachs), Rham Emanuel (Goldman Sachs), you talk about how corporations and their greed/corruption, but then ignore the fact that the game was rigged from the beginning.
siradon2000 4 months ago
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@siradon2000 They were only needing to be "bailed out" because of the Bush recession, and the greed of "selling" these people back and forth WITHOUT REGULATION is a large cause of the problem. Yes, it's morally wrong to take advantage of the poor, and it's Republican deregulation that's caused it to happen.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 LMAO at your ignorance. The only regulations done away with allowed banks to sell high risk loans, and that wasn't really taking advantage of the poor, it was taking advantage of other banks. The cause of the "Bush Recession" was actually caused by Carters "Affordable Housing Act" that Clinton enforced, which as I explained crashed in 2006. The problem is that the "Affordable Housing Act" didn't really make housing more affordable, and those people lost them.
siradon2000 4 months ago
On top of the people who lost them who couldn't afford them, people who were in those jobs that were created by the bubble that Clinton/Carter started finally started to dwindle (leveling off in 2004-2005). So work stayed steady up until the point where everything started leveling off. At that point there became less demand for housing, so people started getting laid off in construction, which caused a cascade across the economy, and caused people who did do the right things loss too.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Yawn. Again with this "bubble" shit. Yes, lots of people who did the right thing did get screwed, but thanks to the Republicans (and far too many centrist Democrats including Obama) those who were really responsible came out better than ever.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Obama has ALWAYS been a PARTY LINE DEMOCRAT VOTER. Never once in his time as Senator did he deviate from the Democrat party vote. Obama isn't a "centrist" he never was. You can "yawn" all you like, but it doesn't make it go away. Yes many people who did the right thing lost their homes, bu they only entered into those contracts with a false sense of security created by an artificial bubble created by Clinton, and prolonged by the Federal Reserve.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Horseshit, Obama IS a centrist, of this there is ZERO question. Being a "party line Democrat" is a load of bull, and the Democratic Party is LIGHT YEARS from being liberal now, it's run top to bottom by DLC Clintonian centrists.
you still want to punish the victims of greed, this "bubble" isn't the problem, the greed of the banking industry is.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, that's really funny. I suppose that's why they pushed through the Health Care Reform Act the way they did (and didn't even read the final bill before they voted on it). Actually I want to punish all who were involved with the scheme, unfortunately Obama and the Democrats just gave them money and said "its okay, we know its not your fault". The "Victims" should never have been foolish enough to enter into the contracts. I call them "Loan recipients", and they defaulted.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 They "pushed it through" because it was a vital piece of legislation which corporate greed had been killing with lies for DECADES (remember "Harry and Louise" and their pack of lies?) This "they didn't read it" hogwash was just more cheap politics, a totally irrelevant non-issue.
You STILL blame the victims, that's insane. You want to give the people who caused the problems a free pass because they're rich.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@siradon2000 You've yet to show any "ignorance" but your own. The banks were REMARKABLY unregulated, got away with scandalous behavior, and when finally busted on it, they'd fold up, fire a whole lot of workers, and the CEO leaves with a bonus in the millions. The poor WERE taken advantage of, that banks also screwed other banks merely shows the sort of people we're talking about here. The idea that the affordable housing act caused the Bush recession is right off the stable floor.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes the poor were taken advantage of, but they entered into those contracts of their own volition. No one forced them to do it, they made poor decisions, which is why they were considered high risk loans to begin with. Which is also why they should never have been allowed to get into those contracts, again thanks to Bill Clinton, and Carter.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Wow, that's just vile. So, it's OK to allow the less educated to rot forever in ghettos because they're foolish! Fuck "poor decisions", they're in trouble because they're poor. They're losing their homes not because of "poor decisions" but because they don't have enough money. THAT is the problem, not their inability to negotiate a cutthroat contract with people whose entire existence is about sucking money from people because they want a decent home.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, see a foolish decision is a foolish decision. Don't like it, maybe you should send some hate mail to Bill Clinton, he allowed them to do it in the first place. Bad policies got us where the economy is, not just one man, or one party (although Democrats are largely to blame).
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Bullshit. Republicans and the greed of big business are to blame, Democrats are only to "blame" in electing too many limp centrists and not enough people who really fight for the people.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Again, its the Clinton Recession, you can't blame the guy behind the helm of the boat when the guy who had it before steered the boat at the fork toward the water fall. Actually selling debt was nothing, it was like transferring water from one end of the pool to the other. Have you ever heard of the Glass-Kleagle Act that Clinton got rid of. I agree de-regulation was part of the problem, but it wasn't Bush's that caused the problem it was Clinton's
siradon2000 4 months ago
You can't blame the recession on Bush anymore than you can blame it on Obama (although the bailouts and stimulus have prolonged it).
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Lie. The bailouts and stimulus have greatly IMPROVED our economic standing, even conservative economists will admit this. We just didn't do nearly enough. Obama's new jobs bill is another baby step in the right direction.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually all the bailouts and stimulus have done is allowed bad debt to continue to be, rather than allowing that debt to be liquidated. Obama's new jobs bill will ultimately be more destructive than constructive.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Bullshit. The stimulus has greatly improved the US economy. The jobs bill is far too small, but it isn't "destructive" to anything except Republicans who put getting elected ahead of serving the American people.
The debt is not a substantial issue, it's nowhere near our top priority.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@siradon2000 No, it's the Bush Recession, the economy was far better run under Clinton. And the problems caused by Clinton (and there are many) were because he was too conservative, not because he was a Democrat.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually Clinton is a very "liberal" Democrat, the Republicans at the time were actually conservative, which kept Clinton in check. Clinton didn't have much choice in the matter of being conservative. You're right it was better, but they did still add to the Deficit oddly enough. Where he did have the choice to continue the Glass-Steagle Act, he didn't (allowing sub-prime lending, and enforcing AHA).
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Oh, horseshit. Clinton isn't REMOTELY liberal, much less very liberal. The Republicans are not "conservative," they are fringe far right. Clinton didn't have any choice? BULLSHIT. He ran Arkansas for YEARS as a center right "Democrat" nobody forced him to be. He did the same bullshit attacking welfare in Little Rock before most people ever heard of Bill Clinton.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
Actually what Fox does is what CNN, and all the other networks do. They omit facts, and spend more time commentating on why the opposing party is the cause of the problem. The economy didn't crash simply because of the wars, or the tax cuts. The economy crashed because the housing bubble popped (which was created by giving loans to people who couldn't afford them), the wars probably sped it up a bit because most of those people were getting Adjustable Rate Mortgages tied to Fed interest rates
siradon2000 5 months ago
@siradon2000 That's just bullshit. Fox is not REMOTELY comparable to CNN and other networks. It is a matter of POLICY at Fox to give a conservative bias to the news, it is NOT the policy of ANY other major network to have a political bias. Fox is run by Roger Ailes, who is not in any way qualified as a journalist, in and of itself a remarkably unethical move. The others are run by professional reporters.
The economy crashed because of the wars, the tax cuts, and other Bush mistakes.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
This is where you show just how stupid you can be.
Name ONE person who is on Fox as an anchor who used to be in a Republican administration.
ONE person. You can't name a person from a opinionated show, much less a reporter.
MSNBC is filled to the brim with former campaign staff and administration staff members for former Democrat leaders, mostly Carter and Clinton.
CNN is actually not too different, and ABC is the same as MSNBC.
ptbwf 5 months ago
@ptbwf Are you fucking KIDDING? Roger Ailes, who RUNS THE NEWSROOM at Fox, was a consultant for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I (and has NOTHING qualifying him to run a newsroom) John Moody, who is a news exec, has been proven to have sent out memos ENCOURAGING political bias. Fred Barnes runs the far-right Weekly Standard. Sean Hannity is the single most biased voice in all of broadcasting, there are others more conservative, NONE shills more openly for the Republican Party.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
Ailes is not an anchor.
Matthews is an anchor at MSNBC and he worked for Carter as one of the leading men in his administration, but yet he is so unbiased...
The rest of your examples are irrelevant and truly pathetic.
Everyone who is not at least a socialist nut is in the far right to you,obviously.
ptbwf 5 months ago
@ptbwf No, he's not, HE'S THE GUY WHO FIRES THE ANCHOR IF THE ANCHOR DOESN'T DO WHAT HE SAYS! He's VASTLY more powerful than the anchor (which is why these bullshit "polls" saying "such and such percentage of reporters voted for so and so are useless)
Even IF Matthews wanted to put his personal political bias into reporting, he'd never get away with it. What goes on the air gets reviewed and edited every day.
Three's nothing "irrelevant" about the examples. You're still pushing a lie.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@ptbwf And you're final sentence is also a flat-out lie. There is a MASSIVE group of people between socialism (which isn't remotely "nutty") and the far right. I don't call anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders "Far right." I call the far right the far right;
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@ptbwf Mike Huckabee is a Republican former office holder and presidential candidate. William Kristol runs the Standard, and was on the staff of Dan Quayle and Bill Bennett, the worst thing ever to happen to public education in America. Michelle Malkin is a vicious bigot and one of the slimiest attack dogs and serial liars of the hard right. Oliver North is a mass murderer and part of the most vile scandal in US political history. Bill O'Reilly is the tool who helped get Dr. Tiller killed.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 As opposed to Bill Clinton who likely had his former partner Vince Foster killed to protect his own assets. Shot in the head 3 times, 7 carpet fibers on him, found in a park, less than 2 weeks before he was to testify and ruled a "suicide. Nothing suspicious there...
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Wow, my God you really will believe any lie hate radio feeds you. It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Vince Foster committed suicide, and for the hard right to take this tragedy and try to pervert it to be a part of their campaign of slander against the Clintons, who were attacked and smeared more than any political family in American political history, is just sleazy. Just low.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Shot 3 times in the head, and had 7 carpet fibers, and its a suicide? Are you kidding me? I know, it was an automatic revolver right? You don't think that to be in the least bit suspicious? 7 different carpet fibers, not one, not two, seven, on a man found in the Park with 3 gun shots in his head.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Wow, you will swallow the koolaid by the barrel, won't you.
VINCE FOSTER KILLED HIMSELF. This is a PROVEN FACT. That the hard right exploits this tragedy as part of the sleazy campaign of slander and hate against the Clintons is as immoral as can be.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, see I have a hard time buying into that when the investigation lasted less than a day. You probably didn't know Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors when Wal-Mart was a worker hating company either (they've gotten better since those days). I don't have to slander, its just very questionable. Shot himself in the head 3 times, really? Why don't you ask that Congresswoman how easy it is to get back up after 1 shot to the head, much less 2.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Lie. This was THOROUGHLY investigated, there is a MOUNTAIN of proof the man killed himself. You're falling for pathetic lies ONLY because they're what you want to believe, anything to make any Democrat look bad.
No, Wal-Mart has NOT gotten any better, and yeah, you DO need to slander and smear people.
Foster was NOT shot three times, he shot himself ONCE in the head. It was a tragedy, and it's truly scummy to try to exploit it for gutter politics.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@ptbwf Cal Thomas is kingpin of the radical religious right, blasphemously spreading hate and bigotry in the name of Jesus Christ. And Juan Williams was just fired from his last job because, in part, of disgustingly bigoted comments about Muslims. And that's just a small sample
But I don't care about the opinion shows. The NEWS bias is the problem...and is ABSENT at MSNBC, ABC, OR CNN. There is NOT a "liberal media" outside a few small magazines.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
The opinion shows on MSNBC, ABC and CNN are no different from the "news" on MSNBC, ABC and CNN, the "news" shows just don't usually use foul language.
ptbwf 5 months ago
@ptbwf Pathetic, ignorant lies. The opinion shows are a completely different department, not REMOTELY related to one another.
The ONLY network shown to have genuine political bias in news programming was Fox.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah and NPR was never biased in any way. Speaking of people being high up having control of things. What party affiliation does Ted Turner have (owner of Turner broadcasting and long time Democrat). Speaking of higher ups with political agenda's he has control of thousands of broadcast sites, so in your mind he has ultimate control, and anything he doesn't like goes right? Or does that only work for Republican people? Get real, media has bias everywhere.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 No, in fact independent research shows time and again that NPR and PBS are the LEAST biased of any major news source. Ted Turner is a Democrat, just as many people who operate at the high levels of NBC, CBS, ect are Republicans. It COULD NOT MATTER LESS. Ted Turner doesn't write the news, edit the news, manage the news room, or read the news.
It has nothing to do with "only works for Republicans", the bias of Fox is documented and blatant.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Is that "Independent Research" also Democrat funded? Actually it seems you are rather missing the fact that some of the people at Fox worked for CNN.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You know repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. Actually it is very true of many networks, and very prevalent in specific tv programs.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 And you repeating this hysterical myth doesn't make it true, either. There is ZERO liberal bias in the mainstream news. It doesn't EXIST. The claim, for instance, that MSNBC is "liberal" is talking about OPINION PROGRAMMING, not their news. Their news is done by a totally separate operation, which doesn't even work in the same office as Rachel Maddow. Their NEWS doesn't have a bias. The problem with Fox isn't the hard right shows, it's a heavy right wing bias in news reporting.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Funny thing, the new White House Correspondent was originally the CNN White house correspondent. Odd how simply changing networks changes your perception.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 A correspondent doesn't set newsroom policy. The policy at Fox News is to promote the views of the right, and this new correspondent doesn't do that, they won't be at Fox long.
Correspondents don't mean jack. Explain what Roger Ailes has in his background that makes him appropriate to run a news room.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually he's the President of Fox News. Ailes' career in television began in Cleveland and Philadelphia, where he started as property assistant (1962) producer (1965) and executive producer (1967–1968) for KYW-TV,[5] for a then-locally produced talk-variety show, The Mike Douglas Show. He later became executive producer for the show, which was syndicated nationally. He was nominated for, but failed to win a Daytime Emmy Awards for it in 1968
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Ailes runs the news room, and NOT in an ethical way. You're describing a career that would be appropriate to decide to run "The SImpsons" on Thursday instead of Sunday, NOT to tell reporters who to interview and what to ask.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
It was in this position, in 1967, that he had a spirited discussion about television in politics with one of the show's guests, Richard Nixon, who took the view that television was a gimmick. Later, Nixon called on Ailes to serve as his executive producer of TV. Nixon's election victory was only Ailes's first venture into the political spotlight. Maybe its just me, but being in Broadcasting for DECADES seems to be a pretty good reason to me.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Ailes has been in broadcasting for decades DEVOTED TO PROMOTING RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA. I didn't ask about his broadcasting background, I asked about his JOURNALISM background. He has none. No qualifications to run a news room at all. Zero. It's like having a news room run by Ralph Nader. It would outrage the right (as it should) If he wants to put out conservative propaganda and spin and lies, that's his choice. Calling it "news" is a lie, pretending it's "fair and balanced" a lie.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@siradon2000 The housing "bubble" was a reaction to, not cause of, the recession. It was NOT caused by "giving loans to people who couldn't afford them", they COULD when they were set up, then the economy tanked and they lost jobs, and instead of riding it out greedy bankers tried to foreclose THAT is the problem, greed, not poor people wanting to own a home, like we ALL do.
Adjustable Rate Mortgages shouldn't be allowed, or should at least be restricted.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I have a few words for you "Low Introductory Interest Rate". Yes the housing bubble was the CAUSE of the Recession, it created a bubble that when leveled off lost momentum and created a cascade (or domino effect) across the economy. Riding it out? Do you realize how long these Banks have to wait in order to foreclose? Do you realize that you can re-negotiate your loan if you get behind? The last thing they want is to foreclose on these houses.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are such a fool. Do you realize that these banks generally have to wait at least a year to foreclose? Did you know that you can re-negotiate payments if you get behind? Foreclosure is the last thing these banks want to do because they usually lose money on from it. I had to move out of my last apt because they were foreclosing on the house. Come to find out my landlord hadn't paid on the house in 2 years (I always paid rent on time though). He re-negotiated 3 times.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 No, I know that's a flat out lie, they certainly do NOT have to wait a year. Yes, you can SOMETIMES re-negotiate payments, yet many, many THOUSANDS of people still lost their homes. BECAUSE THEY LOSE MONEY ON IT? The poor dears. They don't give a shit about people, just about money.
Your landlord obviously had means to pay and was screwing up somewhere else, this isn't about people like him.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 They can start the process after 3 months of failure to pay, but the process itself generally takes a year or longer. Actually my landlord was out of work himself, has/had back problems. He had a house of his own he was paying on, and two rental properties. One of which was mostly vacant for 2 years. The other I was a tenant for 6 years, and there would be months when he had no tenants in the other apt's. Actually this is about people like him, that got in over their heads
siradon2000 4 months ago
Its a fact that the media lies/omits information. Whether the purpose is to save time, to push a certain agenda, or as a matter of "National Security", they all do it, and none of them are any better than the other in the ways they do it. New York Times is a pretty good example, they called the Obama picture made to look like the "Joker" Racist, yet shortly before they showed a picture of Bush (featured as a full page) and marveled at how it was a "brilliant satire".
siradon2000 5 months ago
@siradon2000 No, it's NOT a fact, it's a bald-faced lie cooked up by the far right to cover their misdeeds. There is NOT a "liberal agenda" or "bias" in professional reporting. It just doesn't exist.
The New York Times did NOT call the Obama picture to which you refer racist (although it was) they quoted OTHERS as saying it. Calling a picture "brilliant satire" is OBVIOUSLY not a news story, it was either a quote or an opinion piece, you understand the difference between news and opinion?
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@TheeHarsha Name a lie, (I'm not talking a mistake later corrected either). Next find me a media outlet that hasn't lied.
siradon2000 4 months ago
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How long have you been a KKK member?
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@jbuckle2 Vile, racist lies. There's nothing "disgusting" about them, it's racist horseshit to call them "racist," they're not REMOTELY "anti-American", and aren't REMOTELY "freeloaders."
He's not ruining this nation, he's bringing it BACK from ruin. Obama isn't a "fearmonger" for telling the TRUTH. Don't blaspheme by pretending God is behind your hateful trash, and Fox is NOT 'the truth", it's biased trash without any credibility. You want propaganda, not truth.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 So let me get this straight. Bush is evil for spending so much in the war in Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama is fixing things by spending 2X as much there. Bush is evil for doubling the deficit in 8 years. Obama is the bringing it back by doubling the deficit in 2 years? Yes Fox is Biased for the Republican agenda, just as CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc are biased toward the Democrat Agenda. I need only point to Keith Olberman, Joy Behar, and Bill Maher .
siradon2000 5 months ago
@siradon2000 Wow, you do lie like a pro. I have said NOTHING remotely like what you've said here. Bush was evil for STARTING these wars with a pack of lies, and Obama is DEAD WRONG in continuing them. Obama is NOT spending twice as much there, the deficit is about the Bush recession, overspending on the military and obscenely low taxes on the wealthy. Fox is biased, it's a hysterical LIE that any of the others you mention are "biased". NONE of those you "point" to is a REPORTER.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I know your not going to blame the spending on bush? The solution is not taxing the rich more. The solution is cut the real wasteful spending by the government and cutting their massive paychecks. Why is it not ok for a business to grow wealth? Just because its making alot of money its ok to take it? They made it and it belongs to them. Taxes are robbery. Obama works for the same people that bush worked for you better take a closer look cause Its all setup.
fucut00b 5 months ago
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@fucut00b No, it's not the entire answer, just the major part of it. It is insane to have the lowest taxes in history on the wealthiest Americans as millions don't have enough to eat. The REAL wasteful spending is the billions we waste on warmaking and empire building. There's almost NOBODY in public service who couldn't be making more in the private sector.
Businesses don't "grow wealth", corporations hoard wealth. Taxes is "robbery" only if you declare you're not an American.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I'm curious, if corporations "hoard wealth" then why do so many people still have jobs? Granted they try to cut wasteful spending as any good business would do, but that hardly qualifies as "hoarding". Although your idea of "hoarding" is what we used to call "saving", its what a fiscally responsible person or business does in case there is trouble down the road.
siradon2000 5 months ago
You're absolutely right the "war making" is a major cause, but comparatively versus "social programs" its a tiny problem. Please watch the documentary "I.O.U.S.A." you'll like it because it's not nice to Bush as far as fiscal responsibility is concerned. Business' do in fact grow wealth, Bill Gates never even completed College, but he invested his time and money building a business, to become one of the wealthiest in America, employing hundreds of thousands, who help make their own wealth.
siradon2000 5 months ago
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@fucut00b No, Bush isn't entirely responsible, Obama's broken a pledge to end these dreadful wars and has INCREASED spending on Pentagon Pork. Yeah, it is all set up, the whole system's rigged for the rich to get richer and the poor to get screwed. Workers slaving away stacking boxes at 3 in the morning and getting minimum wage while the CEO rakes in millions, THAT is robbery. Increase taxes on the wealthy, A LOT, end the wars NOW, increase spending on those who need it, on education.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You keep going back to education, and referred to grammar. Are you in the education field by chance? By the way Governor Granholm CUT EDUCATION at least 2 times in Michigan while she was in office that I'm aware of, she also increased the "sin tax" 2 times. You want the wars to end, vote for Ron Paul. He is the only one who has shown any fiscal concern through out his entire political career. Anyone else is just pandering to get votes.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@fucut00b Actually taxing the wealthy more is ABSOLUTELY a major part of the solution. "Wasteful spending" outside the billions we waste on warmaking, this is just the hard right trying to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, and the programs they're cutting don't just reduce suffering but employ THOUSANDS. This is why we have so much unemployment.
Hoarding wealth is NOT "ok", it's immoral. They did NOT make the money, they STOLE it from workers and consumers. Taxes are NOT robbery.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah, see those programs that also employ people. They require private sector jobs in order to operate. Your lovely "social programs" account for about 3 trillion in spending each year, versus the wars Bush started that during his time in office cost about 1.2 trillion total. So yes it really is government run robbery. You are not entitled to what I have, any more than I am entitled to what you have, and the same goes for the "wealthy".
siradon2000 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 They stole it from the workers and consumers? The thing about being a consumer is that you actually have to want the product, so no theft there. The workers when applying for the job agree to the starting salary, and make what other competitive workers in their field make, so no theft there. Where theft occurs is when people take against another person's will. Only then is it theft. You talk about grammar, yet you fail to understand the words you use, are you confused?
siradon2000 4 months ago
@fucut00b You are correct about one thing, it IS setup. The whole system is rigged so the rich get richer and the poor get screwed, while ignorant people like you cheer on the whole vile operation, claiming the wealthy "earn" their millions and billions...as if children "earn" having not enough to eat, crappy schools, and no access to decent health care.
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fucut00b 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 See you're talking about adding taxes to the "wealthy". You do realize that if they are paying "income tax" they do receive an income right? They do earn it, because people have decided that they are worth it. Just as a sports athlete has been decided to be worth spending millions on per year. No children don't "earn having not enough to eat", crappy schools. You think medicare/medicaid is crappy, wait til "Obamacare" kicks in, lol.
siradon2000 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yet you still vote for Democrats, how odd. The first thing Governor Granholm (Democrat) did when the state had money woes was to cut education. The she decided to raise taxes on corporations and take promised breaks away, and then business' moved out of the State, so she did the same thing again, and the same thing happened. See, I've gotten to witness what Obama is proposing first hand. It doesn't work, and thanks to Democrats we are looking at over 3% more unemployment.
siradon2000 5 months ago
@siradon2000 I still vote for Democrats because as bad as many of them are the Republicans are much worse.
Blaming Obama for unemployment's preposterous. There has been job GROWTH in the private sector. We have a high rate of joblessness because of Republican-led cuts in PUBLIC sector employment. Every time a GOP-led legislature cuts the state department of whatever, not only do the people served by them suffer, but hundreds or thousands lose their jobs.
Michigan's seen job growth, btw
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Public Sector Employment may as well be no employment. Yes Michigan has seen Job Growth, we're still well above the national average in un-employment. The mistake of the current administration, like that of every administration of the recent past, is to think that the economy is simple and can be fixed with one of the two so-called tools, "Stimulus" spending or Tax Cuts.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 The reason our economic policymakers do not want to take the route of economic recovery is that it is not simple or fast-acting. The real job of fixing the economy requires a detailed analysis of our economic problems, exploring the options and choosing an effective policy. I am sad to see that it was never done during the last several decades. We have separated true economics from our economic policies! They must give up the old tools and face reality.
siradon2000 4 months ago
They must not forget the fundamental truth that a government has very little power to bring about economic change by its spending or tax programs. They can help the economy by catering to its weaknesses. An economy is not a country’s GDP or employment. Those are outward indicators. An economy consists of the rules, customs, laws and traditions that a country adopts related to its production and distribution. It is about time that we look into those real issues.
siradon2000 4 months ago
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They must not forget the fundamental truth that a government has very little power to bring about economic change by its spending or tax programs. They can help the economy by catering to its weaknesses. An economy is not a country’s GDP or employment. Those are outward indicators. An economy consists of the rules, customs, laws and traditions that a country adopts related to its production and distribution. It is about time that we look into those real issues.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 And the people screaming at these tea party mobs don't WANT something that isn't simple or fast-acting. I'm perfectly aware there isn't a simple answer to the overall problem of the economy. But people are dying EVERY SINGLE DAY from the effects of poverty, and we don't do SHIT to help them, in fact we cut programs and INCREASE the problem. Repeatedly. Fix THAT problem, stop underfunding our schools, THEN we can talk about how to make Wall Street fat and happy again.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I agree with everything you say except "underfunding the schools." Catholic schools give better results than public schools on about $10,000 per year. The managers of the public schools should be all fired and bring in non-union professional managers who can make bonuses based on results. This applies to teachers also. I saw a show where one teacher in N.Y. C. was convicted with of sex with a 15 year old girl in the school were he taught. 5 years later he is on salary.
xmenrus 4 months ago
@xmenrus I'm glad to see agreement, but I'm afraid you're badly mistaken about education. It's not "better results" to block kids from low income families, block kids with significant disabilities, block kids with other obstacles and then try to compare the final product. Tiss right wing hogwash to blame the selfless, underpaid teachers who are the backbone of this nation in order to bring in "non-union" teachers, meaning teachers who've been illegally robbed of rights to pay them less.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "Teachers have a RIGHT to be paid more?" R U FUCKING NUTS? What are you smoking? You sound like a fucking NAZI BASTARD!
xmenrus 4 months ago
@xmenrus Wow, are you incredibly stupid. You think the Nazis were renowned for paying public school teachers well?
And the rights being robbed from workers through the hard right's vicious attacks on unions are FAR more than just pay. People fought and died for those rights, and they include things we all take for granted now, like a 40 hour work week, weekends off, child labor laws, safer working conditions, and most of all the right to bargain COLLECTIVELY when those rights AREN'T being met.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually suspending "bargaining rights" simply means they keep the same pay and benefits, and don't get a raise that year.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@xmenrus It's a horrible idea to base pay on "results", meaning test scores. It's already far too hard to find teachers who'll work with troubled kids, and there's already far too much emphasis on standardized tests, which teach kids nothing.
You saw "a show"? From whom? Attacking teachers,often with a total disregard for facts, is a major industry for the hard right echo chamber. Was he "on salary" meaning NOT IN THE CLASSROOM? What other circumstances surround the case?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Actually teachers who "work with troubled kids" do get paid more as an incentive to work with them. I know a "special ed" teacher, she's married to my previous employer. Again the issue isn't the teacher's pay, its Administrative more than anything.
siradon2000 4 months ago
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@xmenrus It's a horrible idea to base pay on "results", meaning test scores. It's already far too hard to find teachers who'll work with troubled kids, and there's already far too much emphasis on standardized tests, which teach kids nothing.
You saw "a show"? From whom? Attacking teachers,often with a total disregard for facts, is a major industry for the hard right echo chamber. Was he "on salary" meaning NOT IN THE CLASSROOM? What other circumstances surround the case?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes people are dying every day, perhaps we should be focusing on relief here rather than the rest of the world? Did you know that each country in the U.N. pays dues, and the United States pays for many of these other countries? Maybe you missed the Public education part, but they aren't under funded, they simply don't manage the money well, seriously you should watch "The Cartel" its very interesting.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 NO, moron, we should do BOTH. There are enough resources in this nation to feed the world, to use poverty in the US as an excuse to cut the PITTANCE we spend on foreign aid is sick and wrong.
I know that the US owes the UN a great deal of money, and ignores what they say if the US government doesn't like it. We're a hugely irresponsible member of the world community.
I know that public education is TERRIBLY underfunded.
"Cartel" was shit, attacking teachers and pushing vouchers.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@siradon2000 That's the stupidest thing you've said yet. Public sector employment "may as well be no employment"? That's sheer idiocy. It's EVERY BIT as much employment as working for the private sector, with the significant ADDED benefit of serving the community, state, and nation in that work. It's insane to claim Obama thinks this is "simple", and the stimulus DID greatly improve the economy, there was far too little of it done. Saving GM probably had a bit of an impact on Michigan, right?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes "saving GM" did have an impact on Michigan, we're still over 10% unemployment. Actually since government jobs require money from the private sector they cannot exist without that support. I don't believe that they really benefit the state and nation, they are drawing money that could be better spent in the community for those who need it. Those people could have gotten private sector jobs and provided services there, or donated their time instead of receiving a salary.
siradon2000 4 months ago
@siradon2000 Where would that 10% be had GM bitten the dust? Far higher.
Who CARES that government jobs "require money from the private sector"? Of course they do, and should. It's IDIOCY to claim they don't benefit the state and nation, they absolutely do. Education doesn't benefit anyone? Building projects? Mass transit? of COURSE they benefit the community greatly.
"Private sector jobs" exist to make someone rich, NOT to help people.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 The Bush recession, you mean the one Bill Clinton CAUSED by ENFORCING the "AFFORDABLE HOMES ACT" passed during JIMMY CARTERS administration? Which allowed people who couldn't pay the loans back to get home mortgages (of course it sounds nice when it says "affordable homes" but it didn't really make them more affordable, it just let them get into a loan). Deficit in 2005 (Republican Majority) was about 150 billion, Deficit 2006 (Democrat Majority) about 400 billion.
siradon2000 5 months ago
Now I know this is a really difficult thing for you to do. Go to wikipedia and look up the War in Iraq/Afghanistan, they have all of the figures spent on the wars right there. If you don't believe me, you look at the numbers yourself. I don't have to lie, I don't like Fox any more than I like CNN, and I religiously avoid both as best I can. If I happen to see something interesting I will further investigate the information for myself and come to a conclusion on my own.
siradon2000 5 months ago
My point is there is far too much opinion in the "NEWS" instead of facts. The views of the "News Reporters" virulently emanate from the words they choose to speak and the information that they choose to omit. It is bias in the way that they choose to portray situations by deceptively removing facts that should remain as a means to inform. Unfortunately this is part of a large deception that has been going on for far too long. You are right what this is now, is evil and wrong.
siradon2000 5 months ago
@siradon2000 No, there's not opinion in the news. Reporters do NOT choose their words themselves, they go through a process of editors and managers. If a reporter WANTED to screw around with this, and no professional does, he or she would have no chance of getting away with it, unless it was corporate policy, and the only place that is true is Fox. This claim of "liberal bias" in the media was a fable created to cover Agnew and Nixon's massive corruption, it's never died in spite of being bunk.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago