If they went with the "new design" the hood would have to be much higher and they don't want to do it. It works. They've perfected what they've been doing for years. You can talk old all you want, but old just kicked new's ass in this video. Try "different" next time.
People love to cite this "old engine design" that GM uses for the Corvette. Notice the very low hood profile of the Corvette and it's much flatter aerodynamics. GM probably stuck with the pushrod motor because it's external dimensions are generally much smaller than engines with ohc heads. The 6.2L in my Vette looks no larger than, and maybe even smaller than the 4.6 V8 that was in my Mustang.
@kiniku61 You are 100% wrong. The ZR1 and ZO6 destroys everything from BMW in any performance category so you are ignorant to a great many facts. BMW is a poor mans Mercedes Benz. I could have easily gone to the BMW STEP program , but I chose Mercedes Benz ELITE because BMWs are not close to the 3 pointed star. The M3 isn't beating anything C6 related especially the ZO6 or ZR1 with anything they have. LOL! on the chassis comments. I believe Corvette Racing won the GT-E Pro class this year.
@Marc99GT That is the GTE-Pro class at the 24 hours at Le Mans in a class t was only in for 2 years for 7 wins in 10 years. So much ignorance about Corvettes it is not even funny. Keep spewing nonsense and I will educate you.
@Marc99GT If you want me to be completely honest, I think BMW's look alot better than mercedes lol. They're more practical. They aren't way totally overpriced. Is Mercedes more luxurious? Yes. But by no means does that make BMW a "poor mans Mercedes".
@ReaLEthA I personally find Mercedes-Benz to be far prettier cars, especially the W212 E class. I have a BMW because I like having a manual transmission, though!
@shareamickey When you take the time to actually learn about cars, then come talk to me. until then, please continue to remain stupid. I'm far from bitter considering the ZR1 just smashed everyones time at Ring except for the 911 GT2 RS which no confirmation video has been provided yet of the run. Go check track times and you show me anywhere a 335I outhandles a C6. Here is a simple game, I will give you $100 for every track the 335I is quicker and you give me $100 when the C6 time is quicker.
I've seen a stock LS3 vette hit a 11.9. No amount of procedes is gonna win it for 335i. I like the 335i, it has a strong twin turbo motor. However I find it funny when the little sissy girls complain and start mentioning the interior quality. That is something a 15 year old blonde teenie bopper girl would say. I don't give a shit if the vette has roll down windows haha, I would still prefer it.
@shareamickey You are about as ignorant as they come regarding Corvettes. I have driven and worked on vettes for years and they can outhandle the 335I without any problems. Look at track times for both and the 335I is not even within 7 seconds per lap. The 335I would get destroyed by the 2011 Mustang GT so I wouldn't even think of comparing a 335I to a C6 on any road course.
@Marc99GT OutHANDLE a 335I? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kids. Do you kids even have your licences? Can you even drive? American ignorance at it's best. Don't be bitter just cause european cars literally rape any american built piece of shit in every aspect. Don't bother replying, real men know what a real car is. BMW for life cunts.
@shareamickey you don't own one. again I repeat, you don't own one. If you are really 36... you should stop being a paper racer, a stats racer, a youtube racer, what else is there now that cause people to swear a car that is clearly a mediocre car compared to what is out there now? The problem with youtube, car and driver, topgear, etc is that they all have their own opinions which people like you use to express your feelings when you have lost. In other words, you are a TROLL. GRATS :)
@yonkersracing never had it to the track after mods, but I don't think touching 120 would have been a problem. Funny thing, actually sold it, had a 335i for a while, now have my Porsche. Check out my vid of it against a full bolt on LS1 Trans Am.
@ta0sum You have no idea what you're talking about. Educate yourself before you make a stupid remark like that. Vette's are WORLD CLASS track cars and would eat that 335i alive. Also, I have owned both cars and can speak from personal experience.
@speedfreak81 Hahahaha I've driven both cars myself, and the vettes handling is not comparable to the 335 in any wany my friend. Come to think of it, I don't think a corvettes turning radius can match and Bimmer, I even drove a 1990 318 that could turn better than that american piece of shit.
You don't know anything, get the fuck out of here. The vette is pretty good in the handling department and I don't even own one. I have a modded EVO X, one of the better handling cars out there and I race vettes at the track all the time and they are tough!
@speedfreak81 World class? Sure for a put together low balled, chassis with an engine. Sure a 335 cant match a vette im straight line power but everywhere else the BMW or really just about any BMW excels over a "Vette". Vettes are the poor man's wanna be super car but other than an older engine design, cheapie interior and mediocre non inspiring suspension they are super to the low expectation driver. A Vette can beat an M3. But the M3 wins by a landslide everywhere else.
@ta0sum I've raced Corvettes and have a 335i. The C6 Corvette would eat the 335i in performance. Maybe the 335i can stay head to head with an base C6 through first and second gear at really high altitude. But, that's a big maybe. Anything after that, and the Corvette is just an all-around better performer.
Own a 335i looked at vettes...just dislike them cheaply made other then the engine and their just ugly to me I don't look twice unless it's the 100,00$ one lol
@Reggie6447 You are showing your ignorance of both car's strengths. The 335i is a torque monster and is VERY fast below 100mph. The Vette's superior aerodynamics, higher HP, and excellent flowing heads are exploiting the weaknesses of the 335. This race was a roll on, with speeds closing in on 140mph. This is the Vette's race. If we had gone from a dig the 335 would have been right with me until close to 100.
@Reggie6447 It most certainly has, in fact i watched it run multiple 12.3s the same day this video was filmed, all of the runs he trapped over 116mph.
With real driving, you can't compare the performance of them either. If you drive a corvette in a spirited manner, It would use more gas which just makes logical sense since it will be performing much better as well.
An LS3 with a tune and intake make over 400 rwhp and trap 120 mph easily. Stock automatics have hit 117-118 mph. The real mods are a cam and headers. Some of high 130 mph with bolt-ons and a cam. The heads flow incredible. SC with only 7-10 psi puts them around 600 rwhp on 93 octane. Plenty of videos of all of that on youtube.
@mawk27 You are 100% right. I was thinking about the C6 ZO6. Not that 129 - 133 mph is anything to laugh about. That is hauling ass and most people will never see that type of mph in the 1/4.
I don't know what a "vararam" is, but the C6 has got to be making a little power over stock to pull a 12.3@116mph car like that.. esp with a passenger. I would have thought this would be dead even. Isn't that around a good time for a stock LS3?
@helianimal Vararam is just a ram air intake. Only mods on the car were the vararam, ported stock throttle body, and a simple laptop uploaded tune. These LS3 cars pull HARD up top. Plus you have to take into account aerodynamics, and the fact that the inline 6 with two small turbos while a torque monster, somewhat runs out of steam as speeds increase over 100mph. Adam's car was fast no doubt, but the Vette owns from a roll on.
@speedfreak81 you are correct. Helianimal, My buddies Ls3 with no cats, vararam intake and dyno tune net 421rwhp. stock they trap higher then 116. Since everything is towards the vett advantage, gearing, aerodynamics, weight and how its NA. Example 2 cars with identical weight, areo dynamics, everything is identical and both of 400rwhp, but one is turbo and one is NA. NA will win every time. LS3 is a beast.
I read some of the post and I just have to vent my frustration. Trying to compare these cars is like comparing apples to rocks. Sure they cost the same out of the box but they are not in the same class. The vette is a hands down sports car and the 335i is a luxury car. Both have amazing potential and both are just plain amazing cars.
Yea...For you snooty snobby Bimmer guys...The Vettes hand Bimmers their asses all day long on the N-ring and road courses all day long. Get a real car like a Vette.
It's funny how bmw guys cry when their shit boxes loose. Dumbasses, you lost get over it. Also, when you have a bmw or a vette you don't care about gas mileage. If so, then you should buy a civic. Idiots.
It's funny how bmw guys cry when their shit boxes loose. Dumbasses, you lost get over it. Also, when you have a bmw or a vette you don't care about gas mileage. If so, then you should buy a civic. Idiots.
This is scary and what you can do with a Vette still N/A
Sacramento Raceway - Made it into the 9's!
That is a LS2 C6 with the 6 speed auto still N/A. I have seen autos running deeps 10s, N/A with automatics. Toss the stock tight converter and dead 2.56 gears and it becomes a freakin monster and about a full second quicker in the 1/4.
Laugh all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Plenty of C6 owners and some C5 owners getting over 30 mpg on the highway. It is called aerodynamics and high(numerically) low gearing because it actually makes torque so no need to mask a lack of torque with low gears like in the BMW causing poor mpg. Wellsnoopy1 said it better and cut to the chase.
@szoruba I'm not sure of what you are talking about. I doubt your car is making over 400 hp and getting 31 mpg. plus you have a twin turbo I6. Compare the N/A V8s and then you will see what I am talking about. I'm not sure what you read, but I might have been taling about the E92 M3. At the end of the day, the new 335I is priced with the New C6 and the performance is not even in the same world.
6CHRIS6ROWE6 read much of anything about corvettes? On the Nordschleife, the C6 Z06, C5 Z06 and C6 are all quicker than the E92 M3. Go drive a vette on turns and then come back and report. It is obvious to any car enthusiast that you have never been in one.
@08turboSS, that is most ignorant post I have ever seen. You don't belong to a Corvette club(in person) driving a cobalt. I have been a GM fan for over 27 years. There are several stock vettes that have run 11s including C5 Z06s, C6 Z06s, LS3 C6 Corvettes and the Zr1 has hit 10s on bone stock tires. Plenty of videos of all of them online and here. You don't know anything about corvettes, talk about a magazine racer. GM's road testing arm? Sure!
@Marc99GT yeah the corvette handles beautifully around turns....keeping hold of it while powering out is another thing :) but....to be fair....the 335i is a 4 seater that is not the sport icon of bmw. even then....the m3 is nothing next to a z06. i am a 135i driver and love it....450 rw tq....running elevens with 3 people in my car is awesome, but corvette's don't get the respect they deserve...my neighbor has a Z06 and rapes me every time we line up.
The corvette is so low to the ground and wide. It's also light in weight plus it has wide tires. It better be able to handle back roads. My C6 is amazing through the turns. It pulled a 0.98G (AVG), runs over 71 mph in the slalom and that's with the runflat tires. I have non R/F Michelin Pilot Sport 2 Tires> Awesome tire... I consistantly pull over 1.10G's getting off exit ramps when I get on the throttle.
I read sometimes that a 335I with a chip can beat a C6. Not an Ls3 C6 obviously. They trap 117-119 stock. With some bolt-ons and tune, low 120s and with a cam and bolt-ons, high 120s or low 130s. Bolt-ons, cam, SC or TT setup still on 93 octane. no chance for a 335I unless heavily modified and on race gas.
I would agree if that 335I was stock. It runs low 12s @ 116 which is quick. I saw a 2010 Grand Sport about a week ago and thought it was a Z06. No pictures will ever do that car justice. The tires are freakin huge and the guy said he loves the launch control. Anyone can launch the new manual corvettes. 0-60 in 3.9 - 4.1 is freakin quick.
Kind of an unfair race though... LS3 Vette's are easily running low 12's, actually a few after broken have recorded mid 11's, stock. Also remember the Chevy will haul-ass all the way to 187mph right off the show room floor, eclipsing all factory BMW's, M5, M6 etc on top-end.
Base Vette's these days compare to the exotics in terms straight-line speed thru top-end. Not bad for a $43K Chevy...
My dear friend you are so uninformed... The new LS3 vette in GM testing did a horsepwr limited 179 mph and the Z06 does 193-195mph There's never been a stock (100%) vette that broke into the 11's... drag radials or slicks sure, but that's not stock.....
You magazine racers crack me up..... I work for GM's road testing arm and belong to 3 vette clubs....
Actually your wrong... Check here on YouTube, there are 100% Stock LS3 vettes on Streets hitting 11's. Also, LS3 Vette's with 2.56 gears do go to 190mph. If you work for GM, then why do I have a BM 2008 Corvette Brochoure claiming 190mph?
The big advantage of a the bigger engine vs the smaller is it works alot less and is far from maxed out. The Vettes also get better gas mileage while making so much power. People are getting over 30 mpg on the highway with corvettes on long trips. That is incredible especially with the 08+ making 430 hp. Another big advantage is you will always make more power with pump gas with cubes. I refuse to have to live on $16/gal race gas when you can make over 600 rwhp on 93 with an FI LS3 Corvette.
The only problem with a vette is that hp/L is less then really crap cars. Insead of sqeazing everything possible out of an engine they just put a big ass V8 and call it a day. Even if my car is slower I like knowing that the engineers did the most they could with what they had, instead of taking the easy root. No wonder other sports cars cost more, they have to pay their engineers overtime.
Spoken like a true fanboy/ametur. HP/L has NOTHING to do with the performance of a car, obviously since the vette is a monster. Maxing a smaller engine out makes it peakier, causes a less useable power band, and are generally more expensive and time consuming to work on, as well as using more breakable parts. GM didn't build a 1hp/ltr motor because they simply didn't HAVE to. The car performs flawlessly, has a great usable powerband, is simple to work on, and it is EFFICIENT.
Your right, thats just how I feel. I still love the z06 (I know this is not a z06) I'd put it in my top 3 favorite cars.
The other way is what I grew up with so thats where my bias comes from. I only disagree with you on one thing, the parts on a smaller higher reving engines do not have to be weaker, if done right they can also be reliable, but then its more expensive. In the end it simply personal prefrence, and how much adverstising has effected you I guess.
@SuperleggeraVW If you dont understand engines please keep your dumb comments to yourself, The literage(cubic inches in USA) of an engine has nothing to do with "HOW BIG" it is. Engine weight is what it counts and since they have been building them for 50 years the Vette engines are superlight and very reliable. And this is coming from a Corvette, Audi and Porsche owner, so chill before you assume I am a domestic fan.
I believe it. The LS3 is a totally different animal. I was looking to buy an 06(LS2) Corvette until I went for a ride in an 08(LS3). The 08+ trap about 117-119 mph depending on whether it is the A6 or MNL6. With cai and exhaust, they dyno over 400 rwhp so I am saving for the LS3.
There is also a major torque difference(424 vs 295) the Vette will always pull away.
Also add a set of twins to the LS3 and you get over 600 rwhp on 93 octane. That must be a scary ride because I'm sure it is trapping in the 130s. There is one on here with an APS kit and pump gas.
2 greats cars. I have one of this. the 335i . And of course OUR european cars are powerfull with efficient. We dont want cars we have to stop each 50 miles to fill up the tank.
Bmw 335i is the ENginering german simply the BEST.
bmw x6 m have an engine if use an serie 3 it can beat 0-60 from 3,8 sec.
@SimpsonvilleRecords Holy crap, are all BMW owners as stupid as you. Look at the curb weight of a corvette compared to the 335i. Then look at the torque numbers. Simple math. When you have less weight to pull around and more power to do it with you use less fuel. Jesus, is everyone on Youtube 16 years old.
@speedfreak81 I owned a c6 vette and have a 335i now. The bmw and the vette only have the same mpg if you drive like an old lady and shift 1st to 4th every light. but with real driving you cant compare.. the bmw is way better on gas.
Ifill one tank a week right now and with the same drive for the last 4 years i used to fill almost 2 tanks with the vette.
@c3806md C6 gets much better mpg than your 335i and the X6 M uses a 4.4 liter V8. And because your BMW is so wonderfully engineered it keeps overheating and using up high pressure fuel pumps. You are a horrible spokesman for the marque. Learn your cars dude.
@c3806md My Vette gets better mileage than my s4 and my Turbo so double owned in that matter, go research some. In that vette you can cruise 40-100mph in 6th gear.
A stock LS3 Vette puts down about 370rwhp, a JB3 or Procede 335i running race gas should be making 400+rwhp... I have seen some put down 450rwhp and 460rwtq. One of these would walk a stock LS3 vette but it wouldnt take many mods for the Vette to stomp all over it.
There are actually stock 08+ LS3 vettes putting down 390+ rwhp/manual and low 380s with the 6 speed auto. Check on You tube because there are quite a few. With a cam and CAI, some have made over 480 rwhp thanks to the heads.
Run that race again with a M3 (more in line with the Vette's price range) and see how that goes. My guess is you're staring at tail lights from start to finish.
If they went with the "new design" the hood would have to be much higher and they don't want to do it. It works. They've perfected what they've been doing for years. You can talk old all you want, but old just kicked new's ass in this video. Try "different" next time.
ColeJ34 6 months ago
People love to cite this "old engine design" that GM uses for the Corvette. Notice the very low hood profile of the Corvette and it's much flatter aerodynamics. GM probably stuck with the pushrod motor because it's external dimensions are generally much smaller than engines with ohc heads. The 6.2L in my Vette looks no larger than, and maybe even smaller than the 4.6 V8 that was in my Mustang.
ColeJ34 6 months ago
@kiniku61 You are 100% wrong. The ZR1 and ZO6 destroys everything from BMW in any performance category so you are ignorant to a great many facts. BMW is a poor mans Mercedes Benz. I could have easily gone to the BMW STEP program , but I chose Mercedes Benz ELITE because BMWs are not close to the 3 pointed star. The M3 isn't beating anything C6 related especially the ZO6 or ZR1 with anything they have. LOL! on the chassis comments. I believe Corvette Racing won the GT-E Pro class this year.
Marc99GT 6 months ago
@Marc99GT That is the GTE-Pro class at the 24 hours at Le Mans in a class t was only in for 2 years for 7 wins in 10 years. So much ignorance about Corvettes it is not even funny. Keep spewing nonsense and I will educate you.
Marc99GT 6 months ago
@Marc99GT BMW is a poor mans mercedes? you're a fucking retard. im sorry. lmfao.
ReaLEthA 5 months ago
@ReaLEthA In some mids, yes. BMW will never have the status of the 3 pointed star plain and simple.
Marc99GT 5 months ago
@Marc99GT "minds"
Marc99GT 5 months ago
@Marc99GT If you want me to be completely honest, I think BMW's look alot better than mercedes lol. They're more practical. They aren't way totally overpriced. Is Mercedes more luxurious? Yes. But by no means does that make BMW a "poor mans Mercedes".
ReaLEthA 5 months ago
@ReaLEthA I personally find Mercedes-Benz to be far prettier cars, especially the W212 E class. I have a BMW because I like having a manual transmission, though!
TheFerruccio 2 months ago
@shareamickey When you take the time to actually learn about cars, then come talk to me. until then, please continue to remain stupid. I'm far from bitter considering the ZR1 just smashed everyones time at Ring except for the 911 GT2 RS which no confirmation video has been provided yet of the run. Go check track times and you show me anywhere a 335I outhandles a C6. Here is a simple game, I will give you $100 for every track the 335I is quicker and you give me $100 when the C6 time is quicker.
Marc99GT 8 months ago
just love these people that fight over youtube!!...haha act like they represent the car!...and why is it alwayz the chevy and ford guys??
zenenmoro 9 months ago
I've seen a stock LS3 vette hit a 11.9. No amount of procedes is gonna win it for 335i. I like the 335i, it has a strong twin turbo motor. However I find it funny when the little sissy girls complain and start mentioning the interior quality. That is something a 15 year old blonde teenie bopper girl would say. I don't give a shit if the vette has roll down windows haha, I would still prefer it.
LambdaQuarks 9 months ago
@shareamickey You are about as ignorant as they come regarding Corvettes. I have driven and worked on vettes for years and they can outhandle the 335I without any problems. Look at track times for both and the 335I is not even within 7 seconds per lap. The 335I would get destroyed by the 2011 Mustang GT so I wouldn't even think of comparing a 335I to a C6 on any road course.
Marc99GT 9 months ago
@Marc99GT OutHANDLE a 335I? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kids. Do you kids even have your licences? Can you even drive? American ignorance at it's best. Don't be bitter just cause european cars literally rape any american built piece of shit in every aspect. Don't bother replying, real men know what a real car is. BMW for life cunts.
shareamickey 9 months ago
@shareamickey you don't own one. again I repeat, you don't own one. If you are really 36... you should stop being a paper racer, a stats racer, a youtube racer, what else is there now that cause people to swear a car that is clearly a mediocre car compared to what is out there now? The problem with youtube, car and driver, topgear, etc is that they all have their own opinions which people like you use to express your feelings when you have lost. In other words, you are a TROLL. GRATS :)
psmTARDCORE 9 months ago
@psmTARDCORE interesting perspective, I think theres truth to this.
Slowhand223 9 months ago
Nice run, damn that Vette must trap 118 at least....crazy for such little mods
yonkersracing 9 months ago
@yonkersracing never had it to the track after mods, but I don't think touching 120 would have been a problem. Funny thing, actually sold it, had a 335i for a while, now have my Porsche. Check out my vid of it against a full bolt on LS1 Trans Am.
speedfreak81 9 months ago
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ta0sum 10 months ago
@ta0sum You have no idea what you're talking about. Educate yourself before you make a stupid remark like that. Vette's are WORLD CLASS track cars and would eat that 335i alive. Also, I have owned both cars and can speak from personal experience.
speedfreak81 10 months ago 13
@speedfreak81 Hahahaha I've driven both cars myself, and the vettes handling is not comparable to the 335 in any wany my friend. Come to think of it, I don't think a corvettes turning radius can match and Bimmer, I even drove a 1990 318 that could turn better than that american piece of shit.
shareamickey 10 months ago
@shareamickey
You don't know anything, get the fuck out of here. The vette is pretty good in the handling department and I don't even own one. I have a modded EVO X, one of the better handling cars out there and I race vettes at the track all the time and they are tough!
LambdaQuarks 9 months ago
@speedfreak81 World class? Sure for a put together low balled, chassis with an engine. Sure a 335 cant match a vette im straight line power but everywhere else the BMW or really just about any BMW excels over a "Vette". Vettes are the poor man's wanna be super car but other than an older engine design, cheapie interior and mediocre non inspiring suspension they are super to the low expectation driver. A Vette can beat an M3. But the M3 wins by a landslide everywhere else.
kiniku61 7 months ago
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dayedayify 6 months ago
@ta0sum I've raced Corvettes and have a 335i. The C6 Corvette would eat the 335i in performance. Maybe the 335i can stay head to head with an base C6 through first and second gear at really high altitude. But, that's a big maybe. Anything after that, and the Corvette is just an all-around better performer.
TheFerruccio 2 months ago
Own a 335i looked at vettes...just dislike them cheaply made other then the engine and their just ugly to me I don't look twice unless it's the 100,00$ one lol
bad2365 11 months ago
id still take the 335 over a vette
espguitars07 11 months ago
That vettes twice as fast, is it a 10 second vette then? is that what youre saying? lol..
Reggie6447 1 year ago
@Reggie6447 You are showing your ignorance of both car's strengths. The 335i is a torque monster and is VERY fast below 100mph. The Vette's superior aerodynamics, higher HP, and excellent flowing heads are exploiting the weaknesses of the 335. This race was a roll on, with speeds closing in on 140mph. This is the Vette's race. If we had gone from a dig the 335 would have been right with me until close to 100.
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alexjxcx 1 year ago
@speedfreak81 my advice dont fee the trolls
alexjxcx 1 year ago
that 335 has never done 12.3 ... not even on the 8th lol
Reggie6447 1 year ago
@Reggie6447 It most certainly has, in fact i watched it run multiple 12.3s the same day this video was filmed, all of the runs he trapped over 116mph.
speedfreak81 1 year ago
With real driving, you can't compare the performance of them either. If you drive a corvette in a spirited manner, It would use more gas which just makes logical sense since it will be performing much better as well.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
Some Vette LS3's have run in the high 11's in STOCK form! 12.3 @ 116 is easy for one of those LS3's. Strong motor.
BIGSOBEL 1 year ago
I'm swaping LS3/ T56 in to my 350z soon!!!
rkd350z 1 year ago
search: Dyno John 2008 C6 LS3 Auto 418 RWHP search: 11.75@123 run by LS3 with CAI/Port intake+TB/Tune
This is why the modded 335I lost.
search: Bonestock 2008 Corvette A6 1/4 Mile Run
Marc99GT 1 year ago
An LS3 with a tune and intake make over 400 rwhp and trap 120 mph easily. Stock automatics have hit 117-118 mph. The real mods are a cam and headers. Some of high 130 mph with bolt-ons and a cam. The heads flow incredible. SC with only 7-10 psi puts them around 600 rwhp on 93 octane. Plenty of videos of all of that on youtube.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
@Marc99GT
The LS3 cams cars are not in quite in the high 130mph range. Most, or the top see 129-133mph with the stock heads.
mawk27 1 year ago
@mawk27 You are 100% right. I was thinking about the C6 ZO6. Not that 129 - 133 mph is anything to laugh about. That is hauling ass and most people will never see that type of mph in the 1/4.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
I don't know what a "vararam" is, but the C6 has got to be making a little power over stock to pull a 12.3@116mph car like that.. esp with a passenger. I would have thought this would be dead even. Isn't that around a good time for a stock LS3?
helianimal 1 year ago
@helianimal Vararam is just a ram air intake. Only mods on the car were the vararam, ported stock throttle body, and a simple laptop uploaded tune. These LS3 cars pull HARD up top. Plus you have to take into account aerodynamics, and the fact that the inline 6 with two small turbos while a torque monster, somewhat runs out of steam as speeds increase over 100mph. Adam's car was fast no doubt, but the Vette owns from a roll on.
speedfreak81 1 year ago
@speedfreak81 you are correct. Helianimal, My buddies Ls3 with no cats, vararam intake and dyno tune net 421rwhp. stock they trap higher then 116. Since everything is towards the vett advantage, gearing, aerodynamics, weight and how its NA. Example 2 cars with identical weight, areo dynamics, everything is identical and both of 400rwhp, but one is turbo and one is NA. NA will win every time. LS3 is a beast.
NewEdge04GT 1 year ago
I read some of the post and I just have to vent my frustration. Trying to compare these cars is like comparing apples to rocks. Sure they cost the same out of the box but they are not in the same class. The vette is a hands down sports car and the 335i is a luxury car. Both have amazing potential and both are just plain amazing cars.
guy2649 1 year ago
What's with these Beemers...
YngwieGuitarGod 1 year ago
hahaha!! beemer got owned!!!
vidorria 1 year ago
Damn look at all the vette haters my god
larryadam2 1 year ago
Yea...For you snooty snobby Bimmer guys...The Vettes hand Bimmers their asses all day long on the N-ring and road courses all day long. Get a real car like a Vette.
BIGSOBEL 1 year ago 2
@BIGSOBEL
Yeah can it hand our asses in the practicality department?
mad12guitarist 1 year ago
Look at the times for the Virginia International Raceway:
C6 Corvette Non Z51 - 3:03.6
335I - 3:10.5
c6 z51 pkg - 3:01.2
Almost 7 seconds in 1 lap is significant.
The C6 also beats the E92 M3 & M6
People "think" domestics don't handle. The 2011 GT500 is even quicker than the C6 Grand Sport around this track as well.
Marc99GT 1 year ago 2
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It's funny how bmw guys cry when their shit boxes loose. Dumbasses, you lost get over it. Also, when you have a bmw or a vette you don't care about gas mileage. If so, then you should buy a civic. Idiots.
mnino2 1 year ago
It's funny how bmw guys cry when their shit boxes loose. Dumbasses, you lost get over it. Also, when you have a bmw or a vette you don't care about gas mileage. If so, then you should buy a civic. Idiots.
mnino2 1 year ago
@mnino2 335 is NOT a shitbox, have respect for all nice cars people.
mkuroglu 1 year ago
This is scary and what you can do with a Vette still N/A
Sacramento Raceway - Made it into the 9's!
That is a LS2 C6 with the 6 speed auto still N/A. I have seen autos running deeps 10s, N/A with automatics. Toss the stock tight converter and dead 2.56 gears and it becomes a freakin monster and about a full second quicker in the 1/4.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
you have no clue of what you are talking about. Corvettes are some of the best handling cars in the world at any price.
lhughey118 1 year ago
Laugh all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. Plenty of C6 owners and some C5 owners getting over 30 mpg on the highway. It is called aerodynamics and high(numerically) low gearing because it actually makes torque so no need to mask a lack of torque with low gears like in the BMW causing poor mpg. Wellsnoopy1 said it better and cut to the chase.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
@Marc99GT
Your claims about BMW causing poor MPG don't hold water...
I get 32 MPG at 70 MPH in my 335i.
It drops down to 31 MPG at 75 MPH.
Not sure where you get your info buddy.
szoruba 1 year ago
@szoruba I'm not sure of what you are talking about. I doubt your car is making over 400 hp and getting 31 mpg. plus you have a twin turbo I6. Compare the N/A V8s and then you will see what I am talking about. I'm not sure what you read, but I might have been taling about the E92 M3. At the end of the day, the new 335I is priced with the New C6 and the performance is not even in the same world.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
Not to mention at 60 MPH the Vette is turning 1200-1300rpm and getting 30mpg
WELLSNOOPY1 1 year ago
6CHRIS6ROWE6 read much of anything about corvettes? On the Nordschleife, the C6 Z06, C5 Z06 and C6 are all quicker than the E92 M3. Go drive a vette on turns and then come back and report. It is obvious to any car enthusiast that you have never been in one.
Marc99GT 1 year ago
@08turboSS, that is most ignorant post I have ever seen. You don't belong to a Corvette club(in person) driving a cobalt. I have been a GM fan for over 27 years. There are several stock vettes that have run 11s including C5 Z06s, C6 Z06s, LS3 C6 Corvettes and the Zr1 has hit 10s on bone stock tires. Plenty of videos of all of them online and here. You don't know anything about corvettes, talk about a magazine racer. GM's road testing arm? Sure!
Marc99GT 2 years ago
Total ignorance thinking a vette doesn't handle well. That is a bit shocking to me. It destroys the 335I in any performance category.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
@Marc99GT yeah the corvette handles beautifully around turns....keeping hold of it while powering out is another thing :) but....to be fair....the 335i is a 4 seater that is not the sport icon of bmw. even then....the m3 is nothing next to a z06. i am a 135i driver and love it....450 rw tq....running elevens with 3 people in my car is awesome, but corvette's don't get the respect they deserve...my neighbor has a Z06 and rapes me every time we line up.
justinleitch1 1 year ago
Lets see a vette handle on back roads!!!!
6CHRIS6ROWE6 2 years ago
lol, Vettes don't have ANY problem in the handling department bud.
speedfreak81 2 years ago
@speedfreak81 Americans are good at making things go fast in a straight line, like the rocket!
6CHRIS6ROWE6 1 year ago
@speedfreak81 lol fail
ZoobaMaFooProDuction 1 year ago
@speedfreak81
thats not what tsuchia san said on GT channel
alwong04444 1 year ago
@6CHRIS6ROWE6 a vette would easily outhandle a 335i
danll5 1 year ago
@danll5 No you dont!
6CHRIS6ROWE6 1 year ago
@6CHRIS6ROWE6 A vette will out handle a 335 on the backroads, too. I know. I own a 335.
jtchen22 1 year ago
@6CHRIS6ROWE6 I have outran audi r8s on back roads and I have a measly ls2 lol
Wake up this is 2010 and even muscle cars handle pretty well now
mkuroglu 1 year ago
@6CHRIS6ROWE6
The corvette is so low to the ground and wide. It's also light in weight plus it has wide tires. It better be able to handle back roads. My C6 is amazing through the turns. It pulled a 0.98G (AVG), runs over 71 mph in the slalom and that's with the runflat tires. I have non R/F Michelin Pilot Sport 2 Tires> Awesome tire... I consistantly pull over 1.10G's getting off exit ramps when I get on the throttle.
IrishChris1979 1 year ago
@6CHRIS6ROWE6 Vettes heandle better than most of imports..
rkd350z 1 year ago
I read sometimes that a 335I with a chip can beat a C6. Not an Ls3 C6 obviously. They trap 117-119 stock. With some bolt-ons and tune, low 120s and with a cam and bolt-ons, high 120s or low 130s. Bolt-ons, cam, SC or TT setup still on 93 octane. no chance for a 335I unless heavily modified and on race gas.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
What's for dessert?
CoolLikePenguinNuts 2 years ago
what a joke for a car 335i......putz needs to stick to he's crowd.
Pontisti 2 years ago
I would agree if that 335I was stock. It runs low 12s @ 116 which is quick. I saw a 2010 Grand Sport about a week ago and thought it was a Z06. No pictures will ever do that car justice. The tires are freakin huge and the guy said he loves the launch control. Anyone can launch the new manual corvettes. 0-60 in 3.9 - 4.1 is freakin quick.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
Kind of an unfair race though... LS3 Vette's are easily running low 12's, actually a few after broken have recorded mid 11's, stock. Also remember the Chevy will haul-ass all the way to 187mph right off the show room floor, eclipsing all factory BMW's, M5, M6 etc on top-end.
Base Vette's these days compare to the exotics in terms straight-line speed thru top-end. Not bad for a $43K Chevy...
tjnappy 2 years ago
nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!
Nitroheadfool 2 years ago
My dear friend you are so uninformed... The new LS3 vette in GM testing did a horsepwr limited 179 mph and the Z06 does 193-195mph There's never been a stock (100%) vette that broke into the 11's... drag radials or slicks sure, but that's not stock.....
You magazine racers crack me up..... I work for GM's road testing arm and belong to 3 vette clubs....
08turboSS 2 years ago
Actually your wrong... Check here on YouTube, there are 100% Stock LS3 vettes on Streets hitting 11's. Also, LS3 Vette's with 2.56 gears do go to 190mph. If you work for GM, then why do I have a BM 2008 Corvette Brochoure claiming 190mph?
tjnappy 2 years ago
The big advantage of a the bigger engine vs the smaller is it works alot less and is far from maxed out. The Vettes also get better gas mileage while making so much power. People are getting over 30 mpg on the highway with corvettes on long trips. That is incredible especially with the 08+ making 430 hp. Another big advantage is you will always make more power with pump gas with cubes. I refuse to have to live on $16/gal race gas when you can make over 600 rwhp on 93 with an FI LS3 Corvette.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
The only problem with a vette is that hp/L is less then really crap cars. Insead of sqeazing everything possible out of an engine they just put a big ass V8 and call it a day. Even if my car is slower I like knowing that the engineers did the most they could with what they had, instead of taking the easy root. No wonder other sports cars cost more, they have to pay their engineers overtime.
SuperleggeraVW 2 years ago
Spoken like a true fanboy/ametur. HP/L has NOTHING to do with the performance of a car, obviously since the vette is a monster. Maxing a smaller engine out makes it peakier, causes a less useable power band, and are generally more expensive and time consuming to work on, as well as using more breakable parts. GM didn't build a 1hp/ltr motor because they simply didn't HAVE to. The car performs flawlessly, has a great usable powerband, is simple to work on, and it is EFFICIENT.
speedfreak81 2 years ago
Your right, thats just how I feel. I still love the z06 (I know this is not a z06) I'd put it in my top 3 favorite cars.
The other way is what I grew up with so thats where my bias comes from. I only disagree with you on one thing, the parts on a smaller higher reving engines do not have to be weaker, if done right they can also be reliable, but then its more expensive. In the end it simply personal prefrence, and how much adverstising has effected you I guess.
SuperleggeraVW 2 years ago
@SuperleggeraVW If you dont understand engines please keep your dumb comments to yourself, The literage(cubic inches in USA) of an engine has nothing to do with "HOW BIG" it is. Engine weight is what it counts and since they have been building them for 50 years the Vette engines are superlight and very reliable. And this is coming from a Corvette, Audi and Porsche owner, so chill before you assume I am a domestic fan.
mkuroglu 1 year ago
I have a friend with a 09 ls3 and a buddy with a 09 m3 with mods.. The stock ls3 runs away and hides all day...
jdavy86 2 years ago
I believe it. The LS3 is a totally different animal. I was looking to buy an 06(LS2) Corvette until I went for a ride in an 08(LS3). The 08+ trap about 117-119 mph depending on whether it is the A6 or MNL6. With cai and exhaust, they dyno over 400 rwhp so I am saving for the LS3.
There is also a major torque difference(424 vs 295) the Vette will always pull away.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
Also add a set of twins to the LS3 and you get over 600 rwhp on 93 octane. That must be a scary ride because I'm sure it is trapping in the 130s. There is one on here with an APS kit and pump gas.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
2 greats cars. I have one of this. the 335i . And of course OUR european cars are powerfull with efficient. We dont want cars we have to stop each 50 miles to fill up the tank.
Bmw 335i is the ENginering german simply the BEST.
bmw x6 m have an engine if use an serie 3 it can beat 0-60 from 3,8 sec.
VIVA BMW. THE BEST CAR bmw 335i
c3806md 2 years ago
actually......my C6 gets BETTER gas mileage than a 335i........OWNED.
speedfreak81 2 years ago 5
@speedfreak81
Yeah right, a V8 getting better mileage than a Inline6. *laughs*
SimpsonvilleRecords 1 year ago
@SimpsonvilleRecords Holy crap, are all BMW owners as stupid as you. Look at the curb weight of a corvette compared to the 335i. Then look at the torque numbers. Simple math. When you have less weight to pull around and more power to do it with you use less fuel. Jesus, is everyone on Youtube 16 years old.
ultrarunner123 1 year ago
@speedfreak81 hes right i see corvettes doing 30+ mpg all day. that 335 would struggle to do that.
nickguitarsw 1 year ago 2
@speedfreak81 I owned a c6 vette and have a 335i now. The bmw and the vette only have the same mpg if you drive like an old lady and shift 1st to 4th every light. but with real driving you cant compare.. the bmw is way better on gas.
Ifill one tank a week right now and with the same drive for the last 4 years i used to fill almost 2 tanks with the vette.
itay4zevulonipa 1 year ago
@speedfreak81 I agree, my C5Z and my C6LS3 both see 28mpg+ on the highway, depending on what tires I am running(track or street)
mawk27 1 year ago
@c3806md Lol yea considering you can get over 30mpg on a stock c6 ls3 corvette highway, I think you are wrong.
gunzkevin 1 year ago
@c3806md C6 gets much better mpg than your 335i and the X6 M uses a 4.4 liter V8. And because your BMW is so wonderfully engineered it keeps overheating and using up high pressure fuel pumps. You are a horrible spokesman for the marque. Learn your cars dude.
ultrarunner123 1 year ago
@c3806md My Vette gets better mileage than my s4 and my Turbo so double owned in that matter, go research some. In that vette you can cruise 40-100mph in 6th gear.
mkuroglu 1 year ago
A stock LS3 Vette puts down about 370rwhp, a JB3 or Procede 335i running race gas should be making 400+rwhp... I have seen some put down 450rwhp and 460rwtq. One of these would walk a stock LS3 vette but it wouldnt take many mods for the Vette to stomp all over it.
greekplaya13 2 years ago
There are actually stock 08+ LS3 vettes putting down 390+ rwhp/manual and low 380s with the 6 speed auto. Check on You tube because there are quite a few. With a cam and CAI, some have made over 480 rwhp thanks to the heads.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
I just traded my GTO for a 335i and I know even with a jb3 or v3 a 335i cant beat a vette from a roll, maybe from a dig if the vette is near stock
LS2Beast 2 years ago
lol, quanzi1 obviously you know nothing about LS3 vettes. Even stock for stock an E92 M3 has NOTHING for it, let alone modded.
speedfreak81 2 years ago
dont mind the bmw guys we own em all year long
praetorian2150 2 years ago
and you know nothing about comfort, and build quality.
mayhem123321 2 years ago
and that has to do with the outcome of a race......how??? I've had bmw, infiniti, before....I just choose a Vette as my sports car. Run along troll
speedfreak81 2 years ago
Run that race again with a M3 (more in line with the Vette's price range) and see how that goes. My guess is you're staring at tail lights from start to finish.
quanzi1 2 years ago
lol
and your guess is wrong.
426rwhpC5 2 years ago
335i goes bye bye way to represent speed
air1986 2 years ago
the race would be close to about a 100 but after that that ls3 breathes fire w/ the 330cfm stock head!!
krnnerdboi 2 years ago
LS3 vettes are much faster than 335i's M3's and 135i's...I would know...lol.
The vettes run 12's stock, a stock 135 or 335i can't get into the 12's.
neokaitiger 2 years ago
No i think if the vette was stock it would be an even race.
blwn03cobra 2 years ago
I agree with you. but I think the Vette would edge it out on the top end.
cucuay 2 years ago
A modded vette vrs a modded 335i...
oh the outcome.... its a surprise
yeah right
solterocr 2 years ago 5
BMW's going to need allot more mod's then listed to even keep up with a base Corvette.
tjnappy 2 years ago