I agree with you and I don't believe in the trinity, but I would like to ask you a question. Do you believe that a literal spirit comes inside people when they become born again. I do not believe that either. People do not really understand the meaning of what a spirit is. When the bible says that God is spirit, it doesn't mean that God is something floating somewhere like a ghost.
My faith is this that God was able 2 menifest (express) his thoughts, feelings, his will etc. through the flesh of the Lord Jesus Christ. The man Jesus completly yield, submitted his own will, etc. to the will of His Father. Same as God desires to menifest Himself continualy over & over again through & in His ppl. And that is only possible when we truly know Jesus as son of man, also as son of God. When Jesus lived on earth 2000 yrs ago, there were no problem for ppl 2 know him as son of man
@shibakim #2)yet it was revelation for ppl 2 know Jesus as the son of God. Now it's quite oposite. Nowadays ppl know Jesus as the son of God, no problem, yet ppl do not know Jesus as also son of man. When God through His holy spirit comes & dwells in a believer then we becomes like Jesus Christ. And that is only possible through the Lord Jesus Christ. God made him that way. God made him to be our God. And we became partakers of God's divine nature through Jesus.
The term "Lord Jesus Christ" is not mentioned in the (supposed) four gospels...
It is first mentioned in the (supposed) acts of the apostles, by peter...
Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Logic dictates then, that peter nor יהשוה (Yahshuah/Yeshua'/Jesus/Issa) used this title, period.
Therefore the title "Lord" was given by neopagan tradition!
@Christianizers What's ur point? For me & for my brothers, Jesus Christ is the Lord of our lives as much as He is our big brother in God the Father. God & Father made Him to be that way, & I accept what God did, amen.
Would a part of the summation to your beliefs is that God The Father is the only God, and that the Holy Spirit is his active and dynamic force/ presence?
Shut up you fools that can Not figure out what ST. John chapter one says that Jesus created satan the devil, I can see where you are going with this the next thing be saying None of The Bible Is True so that you can with your nazi shit.
Many scholars think that John 4:24 is using language equivalent to John 4:8. So "god is spirit" (no use of "a") as per "god is love" these are cardinal qualities. In the concrete Hebrew understanding of spirit - it denotes that which is the driving force for life & therefore action is the indication of life so "god is action".
@ProveYourFaith Sorry meant to say 1 John 4:8. ο θεος αγαπη εστιν. No one understands this as ONE individual but rather the whole. So why do it with πνευμα ?
Very good vid. Encouraging & strengthing the true understanding of true God & His son in the days most of ppl think you are a heretic if u don't believe their illogical dogma, so called 'holy trinity'. May true God bless you bro. Jeff in His son Jesus Christ, like wise we became sons of God in Jesus by faith. Amen.
I could come closer to believing in a god or "gods" than a Trinity. The only reason I say this is because I can at least understand how it is defined. I cannot bring myself to believe in something I can't define -- especially when the supposed definition creates a paradox
@ProveYourFaith Okay, that's good because I don't particularly think faith is a good thing. Granted, one can always find exceptions, but faith remains one of those characteristics I find undesirable. I prefer to accept what is demonstrable than to hold on to an ideology based upon faith. It is something I find inherently dishonest. Plus some of the worst atrocities imaginable have been carried out in the name of faith. Because of this, it's a word I tend not to use in my vocabulary
@LovingScrubbies What are you suggesting? Do you think I'm an atheist because I believe no atheist does anything wrong? This amounts to nothing but an adolescent playground quip. "You're side does evil too. See, we're both equally stupid." No, no, no; bringing this up only illustrates your lack of understanding my actual position. Even if the vast majority of atheists drink bats blood and sacrificed baby goats on the weekend, it would have absolutely no impact on the legitimacy of God claims.
@LovingScrubbies Let me try and illustrate by fabricating an example. Hitler was a firm believer in the theory of gravity. Look in any book of horrible crimes. Most of them believed in gravity. Does their dirty deeds impact the legitimacy of gravitation? What if Newton was a baby eating pedofile? Would this render the theory of gravity null and void? All you're doing here is ignoring the actual issues by attacking the credibility of individuals instead of presenting actual evidence in your favor
Very imaginative illustration. Atheist materialism was the governing philosophy of the communist maniacs of the 20th c., not some incidental coincidence with it but rather it's central justification.
I didn't attack individuals, I presented the most gut wrenchingly raw facts of 20th c. history. Ignoring that is the equivalent of holocaust denial. The communist holocausts of the 20th c. make the nazi holocuaust and past 'religious war' look petty by comparison. Accuracy matters.
@LovingScrubbies Atheism isn't a "philosophy." Atheism is one thing; a singular response to a claim concerning the existence of gods to which we reject. Nothing you said encapsulates my position of atheism. The only reason I am an atheist is because I don't believe in gods. Hitler has nothing to do with it. You're bringing up matters irrelevant to the actual position of atheism. The only thing my atheism promises to have in common with other atheists is the fact that we lack belief in gods.
@anzwertree This is only understood when you give your opinion of what a God is. As you know the definition of God is varied. Some may see God as simply a supreme intelligence (above man). In this case Atheism becomes narcissistic to an extreme.
@ProveYourFaith I don't have an opinion on what god is. That's the point. Like you said, god means various things depending on the context. Some people believe the sun is god. Well, in that case I'm a theist because I know the sun exists. My atheism is simply a response to claims that a specific god exits to which I have no belief in. Your definition there might also make me a theist assuming there is intelligent alien life. That is actually probable - much more likely than supernatural gods
@anzwertree Well there it is, you don't deny my God exists only the supernatural God of religion. It would be foolish to think Humans limited to this little planet is the supreme life form in the universe, right?
@ProveYourFaith Surprisingly enough... yes, I have to agree. The only part where we might disagree is when it comes to their origins. If there are any powerful agents then they had to start off simple like we did and gradually become more complex. I do not currently believe there's an all powerful god that just always existed. Just think about how young we are compared to the universe. What about a civilization that is millions of years old compared to ours? They likely would be like gods to us
@anzwertree I suppose they would What if one such civilization came across earth a perfect habitat and made one heck of a Garden. What if that civilization is not in all places at all times and only visits about every 500 years. Did God want a Temple? Did he ask for religion toward him? Or did he give them what he knew they needed to hold them over till he returned.
(Hos 6:2 KJV) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
@ProveYourFaith You mean life may have been seeded on earth? That's somewhat plausible, though admittedly unlikely that such a thing can be true in addition to scripture. I say that because the Bible mentions too many demonstrably false statements that simply cannot be true. I'd expect an advanced civilization to understand basic scientific principles. Calling the stars "tiny" is simply not true. Nor can the sun stand still in the sky. Stuff like that makes it hard for me to take it seriously.
@ProveYourFaith Not exactly. Manipulating the earth's axis in the way you have described would have catastrophic consequences. Everything from the moon's orbit to tidal forces would be affected. And considering the speed at which the earth rotates [about a thousand miles an hour], such a sudden shift in its alignment would have launched us into space and permanently destroyed polar regins. God would have to stop all that from happening just to make it appear that the sun had stopped. Unlikely
@anzwertree I disagree, The polls have shifted already and no such thing happened. Greenland is now Iceland? During the process of the shift the sun would seem to stand still for hours even if it was just a slight alteration.
@ProveYourFaith o.0 Well then I'm afraid you disagree with physics. That is why am an atheist. Theism mostly involves denying reality. The event you are referring to is not the same as the axis shifting a mere fraction over centuries. Do you have any idea the degree ratio you're proposing? To make it appear that the sun stopped in the sky, the degree of change would be highly significant. We're talking the entire planet shifting its axis across numerous timezones in a fraction of a second.
@ProveYourFaith Christ is clothed with the spirit/mind/heart of the Father, he(Jesus) spoke in behalf of his Father through the prophets concerning his suffering and the glory that would follow.
1Pe 1:10-11 Searching what, or what manner of time the *(Spirit of Christ)* which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
@ProveYourFaith Gen 6:3 The LORD said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever... "The spirit is, the spirit that is in the mind/heart of the Father, that's why it has attributes, it's not a third person of a triune God.
I agree with you and I don't believe in the trinity, but I would like to ask you a question. Do you believe that a literal spirit comes inside people when they become born again. I do not believe that either. People do not really understand the meaning of what a spirit is. When the bible says that God is spirit, it doesn't mean that God is something floating somewhere like a ghost.
cmpresents 3 months ago
My faith is this that God was able 2 menifest (express) his thoughts, feelings, his will etc. through the flesh of the Lord Jesus Christ. The man Jesus completly yield, submitted his own will, etc. to the will of His Father. Same as God desires to menifest Himself continualy over & over again through & in His ppl. And that is only possible when we truly know Jesus as son of man, also as son of God. When Jesus lived on earth 2000 yrs ago, there were no problem for ppl 2 know him as son of man
shibakim 4 months ago
@shibakim #2)yet it was revelation for ppl 2 know Jesus as the son of God. Now it's quite oposite. Nowadays ppl know Jesus as the son of God, no problem, yet ppl do not know Jesus as also son of man. When God through His holy spirit comes & dwells in a believer then we becomes like Jesus Christ. And that is only possible through the Lord Jesus Christ. God made him that way. God made him to be our God. And we became partakers of God's divine nature through Jesus.
shibakim 4 months ago
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Christianizers 3 months ago
@shibakim...
The term "Lord Jesus Christ" is not mentioned in the (supposed) four gospels...
It is first mentioned in the (supposed) acts of the apostles, by peter...
Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Logic dictates then, that peter nor יהשוה (Yahshuah/Yeshua'/Jesus/Issa) used this title, period.
Therefore the title "Lord" was given by neopagan tradition!
Selah יהוה...
Christianizers 3 months ago
@Christianizers What's ur point? For me & for my brothers, Jesus Christ is the Lord of our lives as much as He is our big brother in God the Father. God & Father made Him to be that way, & I accept what God did, amen.
shibakim 3 months ago
Would a part of the summation to your beliefs is that God The Father is the only God, and that the Holy Spirit is his active and dynamic force/ presence?
hannibalchengthe2nd 4 months ago
Shut up you fools that can Not figure out what ST. John chapter one says that Jesus created satan the devil, I can see where you are going with this the next thing be saying None of The Bible Is True so that you can with your nazi shit.
ortafunk 4 months ago
Many scholars think that John 4:24 is using language equivalent to John 4:8. So "god is spirit" (no use of "a") as per "god is love" these are cardinal qualities. In the concrete Hebrew understanding of spirit - it denotes that which is the driving force for life & therefore action is the indication of life so "god is action".
dunklaw 4 months ago
@dunklaw πνευμα ο θεος = Spirit the God, This is clearly singular. It does not matter if it is passive or not it denotes one spirit.
ProveYourFaith 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Sorry meant to say 1 John 4:8. ο θεος αγαπη εστιν. No one understands this as ONE individual but rather the whole. So why do it with πνευμα ?
dunklaw 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith This also fits with the Hebrew cross comparison in James 2:26.
(ABP) For as the body separate from spirit is dead, so also the belief separate from the works is dead.
So:-
(1)the ~body~ separate from *activity* is +dead+
(2)the ~belief~ separate from the *works* is +dead+
The comparison.
dunklaw 4 months ago
@dunklaw Also, just to clarify John 4:24 in a Hebrew thinking sense (although probably originally penned in Aramaic)
(ABP) God is spirit, and the ones doing obeisance to him [in spirit and truth must do obeisance].
So:-
God IS ACTION & the ones paying respect to him must do so with their Truthful ACTIONS.
dunklaw 4 months ago
Very good vid. Encouraging & strengthing the true understanding of true God & His son in the days most of ppl think you are a heretic if u don't believe their illogical dogma, so called 'holy trinity'. May true God bless you bro. Jeff in His son Jesus Christ, like wise we became sons of God in Jesus by faith. Amen.
shibakim 4 months ago
At least catholicism makes no claim the trinity is demonstrated in the bible.
the idea it is is no older than the reformation.
LovingScrubbies 4 months ago
Every now and then ?
axisapex 4 months ago
@axisapex I am referencing the doctrine's definition "three as one" foolishness.
ProveYourFaith 4 months ago
I could come closer to believing in a god or "gods" than a Trinity. The only reason I say this is because I can at least understand how it is defined. I cannot bring myself to believe in something I can't define -- especially when the supposed definition creates a paradox
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree I need make a video explaining my theism. It isn't by faith I believe in a supreme being.
ProveYourFaith 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Okay, that's good because I don't particularly think faith is a good thing. Granted, one can always find exceptions, but faith remains one of those characteristics I find undesirable. I prefer to accept what is demonstrable than to hold on to an ideology based upon faith. It is something I find inherently dishonest. Plus some of the worst atrocities imaginable have been carried out in the name of faith. Because of this, it's a word I tend not to use in my vocabulary
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree I receive nothing without evidence. The problem is not many can view the whole of things. Put it all together.
ProveYourFaith 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith I'll keep an eye out for your video then.
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree
and THE very worst were by atheist-faith regimes in the 20th century, making 'religious' slaughters look like cake walks.
LovingScrubbies 4 months ago
@LovingScrubbies What are you suggesting? Do you think I'm an atheist because I believe no atheist does anything wrong? This amounts to nothing but an adolescent playground quip. "You're side does evil too. See, we're both equally stupid." No, no, no; bringing this up only illustrates your lack of understanding my actual position. Even if the vast majority of atheists drink bats blood and sacrificed baby goats on the weekend, it would have absolutely no impact on the legitimacy of God claims.
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree
I think your description of atheism is over glossy.
No impact on the legitimacy of non-God claims either.
LovingScrubbies 4 months ago
@LovingScrubbies Let me try and illustrate by fabricating an example. Hitler was a firm believer in the theory of gravity. Look in any book of horrible crimes. Most of them believed in gravity. Does their dirty deeds impact the legitimacy of gravitation? What if Newton was a baby eating pedofile? Would this render the theory of gravity null and void? All you're doing here is ignoring the actual issues by attacking the credibility of individuals instead of presenting actual evidence in your favor
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree
Very imaginative illustration. Atheist materialism was the governing philosophy of the communist maniacs of the 20th c., not some incidental coincidence with it but rather it's central justification.
I didn't attack individuals, I presented the most gut wrenchingly raw facts of 20th c. history. Ignoring that is the equivalent of holocaust denial. The communist holocausts of the 20th c. make the nazi holocuaust and past 'religious war' look petty by comparison. Accuracy matters.
LovingScrubbies 4 months ago
@LovingScrubbies Atheism isn't a "philosophy." Atheism is one thing; a singular response to a claim concerning the existence of gods to which we reject. Nothing you said encapsulates my position of atheism. The only reason I am an atheist is because I don't believe in gods. Hitler has nothing to do with it. You're bringing up matters irrelevant to the actual position of atheism. The only thing my atheism promises to have in common with other atheists is the fact that we lack belief in gods.
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree This is only understood when you give your opinion of what a God is. As you know the definition of God is varied. Some may see God as simply a supreme intelligence (above man). In this case Atheism becomes narcissistic to an extreme.
ProveYourFaith 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith I don't have an opinion on what god is. That's the point. Like you said, god means various things depending on the context. Some people believe the sun is god. Well, in that case I'm a theist because I know the sun exists. My atheism is simply a response to claims that a specific god exits to which I have no belief in. Your definition there might also make me a theist assuming there is intelligent alien life. That is actually probable - much more likely than supernatural gods
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree Well there it is, you don't deny my God exists only the supernatural God of religion. It would be foolish to think Humans limited to this little planet is the supreme life form in the universe, right?
ProveYourFaith 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Surprisingly enough... yes, I have to agree. The only part where we might disagree is when it comes to their origins. If there are any powerful agents then they had to start off simple like we did and gradually become more complex. I do not currently believe there's an all powerful god that just always existed. Just think about how young we are compared to the universe. What about a civilization that is millions of years old compared to ours? They likely would be like gods to us
anzwertree 4 months ago
@anzwertree I suppose they would What if one such civilization came across earth a perfect habitat and made one heck of a Garden. What if that civilization is not in all places at all times and only visits about every 500 years. Did God want a Temple? Did he ask for religion toward him? Or did he give them what he knew they needed to hold them over till he returned.
(Hos 6:2 KJV) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith You mean life may have been seeded on earth? That's somewhat plausible, though admittedly unlikely that such a thing can be true in addition to scripture. I say that because the Bible mentions too many demonstrably false statements that simply cannot be true. I'd expect an advanced civilization to understand basic scientific principles. Calling the stars "tiny" is simply not true. Nor can the sun stand still in the sky. Stuff like that makes it hard for me to take it seriously.
anzwertree 3 months ago
@anzwertree Well lets look at what was said. The stars being tiny? The earth standing still is not so hard, simply manipulate the poles.
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Not exactly. Manipulating the earth's axis in the way you have described would have catastrophic consequences. Everything from the moon's orbit to tidal forces would be affected. And considering the speed at which the earth rotates [about a thousand miles an hour], such a sudden shift in its alignment would have launched us into space and permanently destroyed polar regins. God would have to stop all that from happening just to make it appear that the sun had stopped. Unlikely
anzwertree 3 months ago
@anzwertree I disagree, The polls have shifted already and no such thing happened. Greenland is now Iceland? During the process of the shift the sun would seem to stand still for hours even if it was just a slight alteration.
ProveYourFaith 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith o.0 Well then I'm afraid you disagree with physics. That is why am an atheist. Theism mostly involves denying reality. The event you are referring to is not the same as the axis shifting a mere fraction over centuries. Do you have any idea the degree ratio you're proposing? To make it appear that the sun stopped in the sky, the degree of change would be highly significant. We're talking the entire planet shifting its axis across numerous timezones in a fraction of a second.
anzwertree 3 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Christ is clothed with the spirit/mind/heart of the Father, he(Jesus) spoke in behalf of his Father through the prophets concerning his suffering and the glory that would follow.
1Pe 1:10-11 Searching what, or what manner of time the *(Spirit of Christ)* which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
CristoYcruz 4 months ago
@ProveYourFaith Gen 6:3 The LORD said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever... "The spirit is, the spirit that is in the mind/heart of the Father, that's why it has attributes, it's not a third person of a triune God.
CristoYcruz 4 months ago