Avatar to me is an astounding symbolic example of humanity and empathy (and of course a fantasy film) By example it has given me hope that others share an understanding of the root causes that drive many of our very real world issues but I also express frustration (look here in comments to understand) /watch?v=7nVI_oYXAKY thread under my user name yes its only one person but I warn you its a classic example of hate speach that is becoming all to common in todays world
Beautiful film with humanity at its core. My idol Mr Cameron, however cynical it is, has brought to life a planet which we can admire, which we can aspire to, first of all we need to wise up and realise the damage we are doing to our earth.
Cameron's and Avatar's critics ignore the deeper meaning as they cant get to the core of the film, but simple yet story with mind blowing special and visual effects.
what total B.S. James Camerons message was that "the next stage of evolution" is to not go back ot living in the woods but to use nature and technology
@myblueguyisawsome1 Yes, people in Hollywood don´t see and think as you and me. They have just two things in their minds: money and avarice. We can´t do nothing, just respect a little more our planet and ourself
@Asmodeus1967 Star Wars?? Waooo!! you are lucky!! Yes, this is the same thing happen to me and many people. Avatar, Pandora, was a new level! I never though I could feel this emotions in a theater...incredible!!! thanks to James, yes!!
Avatar no ganó Oscars porque los demas compraron los OSCARS !!!!
very mad ! de seguro fue eso. Caray !! como en MTV Movie Awards... hello Avatar esta mil veces mejor que new moon eso esta claro y a mi me gusta la saga twilight y gano new moon en ves de Avatar. De seguro compran todo.
Una actriz o alguien que salio en la pelicula que gano el oscar en vez de Avatar, escuche que escribieron una carta diciendo q tomaran en consideracion la peli, que les dieran un oscar por lo menos.
I agree with this completely! If we don't change our ways then we can't save our world. It's going to be a tough challenge with all the rich and powerful wanting to keep control of their power, but once we, the people that feed them their power, unite together, I believe we can overcome our former madness and remove these controlling governments & what we have wrongly mistaken for a society.
Yes I too see the message in the movie, although I understand it, it can be hard to explain & put into words...(but I still get it).....I have the dvd,.. Avatar is one of these must own collectible movies (everyone should have one) & I wonder what message the next movie will be sending out, I for one cant wait to see it & the next one after that!! Love the music on this video too...very nice indeed!!!!!!
When some Tea Bagger with a Farscape reference as a user name (to butch-up his self-image) spouts off the Libertarian-Militia anarchy diatribe each and every time he opens his mouth, it's pretty much the end of the fun. He won't listen or discuss or make sense. He'll make fun of your speech and cry when he thinks someone is making fun of his speech. It's a commercial for staying in school. Somewhere there are hate-everything Luxans waiting to bring you into their fold. Enjoy.
I knew this Marine who was a thrill chaser. He spent four years, went to hot spots and came back. He was bored here. When he was driving he would run stop signs in his little Ford Fiesta across four-lane roadways. He eventually reenlisted in time for the first Gulf War. He didn't care who we were fighting, or right or wrong. He's no different from the bomb guy in The Hurt Locker. He was perfect for the job.
Watch the movie From Paris with Love. It depicts palestinian terrorists and a gung-ho American hero.
Dollars to donuts you'd come away shaking your head, wondering how such blatant pro-American anti-terrorist, surely racist fare ever made it to the screen and why no one censored it as it richly deserved before then.
Same thing with Rambo 4. Perhaps The Dark Knight.
@mandey1234 Except for the drinking scene (five minutes too long) Hurt Locker was an excellent movie. Avatar had scenes that could have been written better. A few characters were a bit cartoonish. The characters in Hurt Locker were more three-dimensional. They didn't just have one way of thinking about the situation they were in. And you were never sure who was going to die. Avatar was good, Hurt Locker was Oscar-worthy.
I don't know what Dr. Fine is about- hippie or opportunist. Avatar is just like any other well produced sci-fi movie, in its story. But I wouldn't say that if we don't understand the meaning we're all doomed. Those who don't get it will in another movie, if they're open to it. If not, who cares! Cameron has their money already. Cameron took a good sci-fi concept, attached a love story to it, and got to develop new-ish technology. A perfect tri-fecta in Hollywood.
thats exactly what i try to tell people when they say "that movie sucked, the plot was stupid" and i try to tell them, its not about how advanced the plot is! its about the simplicity and the fact that everything is connected and it is comparing the way life should be, natural, free and together along with what it is today, greedy, filthy and unconnected.
well, some people get the message, and some others didn't, thats it. What I don't understad is, this is a channel for people who like the movie.. not for people who doesn't like it
How many people in here have seen Avatar,and then look at enviroment or nature for different eyes.I did
How many people in here reliesed that Nature is part of our life.I did
We need to stop destroying our nature.Maybe you say this is way far than your power. Just start doing little things,such as dont use too much paper and recycle everything you use
@bloodrunsclear hahaha, What evidence did I ask for? I don;t recall asking for evidence about anything. I praise it because it deserves it. You hate it because you can't comprehend it.
@bloodrunsclear Your "analysis" was explaining why YOU thought the movie was "racist" or some stupid shit. nothing about the directing, filming, setting, or plot, which is what real film analysts talk about.
I could provide many examples but leaving walls of texts on youtube comments is hardly the way. If you truly care you can PM me.
So my opinions are just opinions. Your opinions are FACTS. Got it.
I can say a thing or two about how it was made too.
If you really want me to I'll PM you. I don't mean to be a curmudgeon here but this Avatar derangement is starting to irritate me.
Not that I don't respect you, but I think if you consider the film just a bit harder you'll discover it not even very good at what it sets out to say.
@bloodrunsclear what the hell? I said your "analysis" of AVATAR was stupid because it wasn't an analysis. I never said anything about opinions and other dumb random shit that you keep bringing up.
@bloodrunsclear man why the hell you spam this vid? u have like 10 + comment on this AND ONLY 5 hours man plz man don't talk just stfu and open your eye man and see the beaty of Avatar (you so ignorant and u see only the bad side of the movie why not the good side?the good side is that James C. did a lot of work to do this movie so be respectfull and STFU)
Avatar has nothing to do with that. The film makes no mention of real world environmental concerns. It's all about magical gods who will smite you if you don't love nature.
It contains nature, yes, but it has nothing to do with preserving trees or wildlife for any reason except that a wrathful goddess might summon monsters to eat you. There's also the whole neural network thing with the pigtails, but even that has no real world application. And none of the plants are anything like things on earth anyway.
By your definition is any movie set in a forest about nature?
@bloodrunsclear im sure it is but idk right now but wtf u mean by "summon monster to eat you"? it mean that i will be eatten by a werewolf or wtf when i go to the forest?
At the end the mystic tree person summons the Banshee creatures and the rhino things (Direbeasts?) to fight the humans. So to me that seemed to prove that the goddess was warlike because there were a million other things that could have been done, especially since we're dealing with magic.
So the message seemed to be: save the trees or rhinos will stomp on you.
Other then that there's no reason to care. The fungus glows when you step on it, but so what?
Great answers, my friend. I respect your point of view. But I´m not agree with anything that you said (even at the message you sent me). Avatar made me feel something that I never felt. But I will not explain you, because you has seen already the movie, and now is impossible to convince you.
What did it make you feel? Righteous indignation? Despair? Anger at people?
Plenty of movies have trumpeted the same message. Maybe Avatar was prettier, but that doesn't make it important, deep, or even all that ground breaker.
Its fun (for some people) and that's fine, but its not impressive.
I'm not sure what I'm not understanding. Logically, dramatically, Avatar is poorly done.
I only hope the great CGI in this film is used with a better story someday...
The environmental message is also a joke. The Pandora environment is nothing like The Earth except that it looks similar and all the reasons for defending it are either because of sci-fi nonsense (neural networks connecting organisms) or personal desires for property (the Na'vi want to live in a tree, Jake likes the forest) NONE of the reasons having to do with sustainability, ecological impact, the weather, or any real factors in real environmentalism.
In the end of the film there wasn't a single good human. All of them either died or became Avatar, except for the scientists who basically because the Na'vi's pets.
Prejudice was shown as a good thing because all humans were so evil only by kicking them off the planet could their be peace. The final line that Quartich says 'How does it feel to betray your species?' Jake answers with a hiss as if to say 'Its not my species or problem any more'
'Greed and cynicism' is a hypocritical message for an expensive and cynical movie.
The 'god' of the story is a vengeful and petty being worthy of worship only because she will destroy you instead. There's zero tolerance in the film because the message is very clear: humans are terrible, kill them all. There's not a single bad Na'vi character which means Avatar SUPPORTS racism and prejudice.
@bloodrunsclear Wow, Lol you make a lot of claims without any evidence. xD Yes, there WERE bad Na'vi, and there were MANY good humans, and it doesn't support racism and prejudice, but rather shows the consequences of it. :P Honestly, it's people like you who try to stop these messages from reaching people.
It does support prejudice! ('I can smell your human stink!' 'He needs to be taught out of his insanity!' both said by Na'vi we were supposed to respect)
The consequences? You mean the war at the end which was shown to be heroic and just?
And thank goodness. The messages of this film are terrible and damaging, one more excuse for self righteous people to hate their neighbors.
I take it way too seriously? This after you talk about how deep and powerful Avatar is?
I take it seriously because it was intended to be taken seriously. Its not my fault that it fails at gravitas, delivers overactive drama, and a bad message on top of everything.
Its not good for your health to bow in worship to mediocre films either.
@bloodrunsclear honestly, you aren't being open minded in the least. Your examples are out of context, your "evidence" is really not evidence at all, but rather your opinion on an event or phrase. :P It has an amazing storyline, but you're too closed-minded to even consider it. I... I just honestly don't know what to do with you. :P I honestly don't know HOW to make someone like you understand, when you're so hard-pressed on keeping to your factless opinions. :( I guess I just give up on you.
@bloodrunsclear Bloodrunsclear, please just stop... just, stop. I'm not asking you to "accept" something ridiculous and trivial... YOU're the one who is acting childish about this. :P The storyline is unique in detail, which is how ANY storyline nowadays can be unique. Your arrogance is the reason I want to give up, but I have such a natural urge to defend against the ignorant and arrogant that I cannot help but reply... If you were honest about improving your mentality, you'd pm me. :)
@bloodrunsclear Thank you for the PM! :) I responded. I hope in time you will come to learn that I CAN prove and explain why. Unfortunately you are mistaking restraint for lack of evidence. However, in a PM I will be able to explain fully (without character limit) why I feel the way I do, and I hope you can do the same. :)
@bloodrunsclear So what if avatar isn't original hell i wish i had a dollar for everymovie that retells a plot line in a different way. What makes avatar great is the fantasy and concepts in the movie plus its made for adults. What would you see a movie in a musical form that has a song that goes "savages savages bearly even human" or cool action scene explosions cgi interspecies romance? I don't know why haters of this film have to try to convince lovers of this film why its not good.
@bloodrunsclear Fantasy!?!? Yes fantasy the mythology the world the creatures. So what if it is similar to the matrix Surrogates was similar to but guess what i didn't let that affect my feelings toward the movie i happened to like surrogates as well. LOTS of movies are similar toward others. And this is what bothers me the most you say to us stop giving opinions as cause to counter your statements yet you go and day pocahantus had class and depth... WTF would you call that. tb continued
Your acting like a man child pissed off and obsessed over the fact that we liked avatar. I don't know who pissed in you cherrios but stop trying to piss in ours.
@bloodrunsclear Who says i conformed and agree with avatar's enviromental message. A message in a movie is only a small part of expeiencing a movie. Do go to watch movies for a lecture or to be entertained?
@bloodrunsclear all movies have messages and you can't hold yourself responsible when people take the message over the top to serious. You have to remember that some of those people weather avatar was created or not would still be thinking the same way messages only have a strong effect on the target audience any ways. Example a movie i liked for its uniqueness V for Vendetta had a message too. To be continued
Its another for them ALL to have THE SAME message.
Look around. There may be scattered examples, but mostly films come from one direction, attack one enemy (even when it makes no sense for the plot) say one thing.
V for Vendetta I took issue with not because of the message but the shoe-horned in political commentary. The original story is about fighting tyranny, but the movie is one long rant against Bush and only Bush. That was pointlessly added.
@bloodrunsclear I think you wanted to see Bush in the rant. It was a rant against government over-stepping its reach. It could've been about McCarthy... or Stalin... or Mao... J. Edgar Hoover, or whoever fit the role.
Ah, I see, that explains why it was a movie about an arrogant empire attacking a holy and innocent middle eastern city because a conniving power behind the throne had planted weapons of mass destruction. Likewise the little rant about trails for terrorists kind of clued me in.
I suppose 1984 had no political context and the comic series Maus was also about the Irish and English conflicts?
@bloodrunsclear Every science fiction movie has political undercurrents. That's why the whole genre was created. Like Gulliver's Travel, it was a way to slip political thinking or countertalk by governmental censors. What you just described was the plot to Star Wars and Time Bandits and many more. V was written in the 1980s so Bush has nothing to do with it.
@bloodrunsclear You mean Torries. Don't confuse conservatives in the UK with those in the US. As far as the message, it can be anyway the producer wants it to be. No one has to show both sides. Sci-fi is a way to get YOUR message across not anyone else's. Who looked out for the Soviets and Cubans good image in the movie "Red Dawn"? It was totally one sided. "Avenge me, son! Avenge me!"
@bloodrunsclear V was set in London. Torries live in London. They may have made it easier for Americans to understand but it was still London and the people were English. Bush is neither. Red Dawn was fun to watch because it had violence and attractive stars. Forget remakes, I'm going to see "Inception".
Avatar is set on another planet. Prince of Persia is set in Arabia. District 9 was set in Africa. Animal Farm is set on a farm. 1984 is set in the future.
All were meant to convey and convince, some more artfully then others.
@bloodrunsclear Prince of Persia is set in ancient Persia. In fact, it's set hundreds of years before Islam became a religion. Persia was a superpower back then, along with Greece and Egypt. Different peoples, different politics.
Again, the Ewoks would have nothing to do with the Vietcong because they're teddy bear aliens on another planet!
Oh...
Oh wait, George Lucas himself said that the Ewoks were meant to represent the Vietcong?
Well...he's a liar obviously!
District 9 too. Even though the author says he made it as a metaphor for Apartheid, he's crazy. Its set in Africa but it has aliens in it, not Africans!
@bloodrunsclear Find me the interview where Lucas says he was inspired by Viet Cong. Your hour long History channel programs don't really help you much you know. Before the Vietnamese took on a larger force using guerrilla tactics, there was George Washington (yeah, that guy). George had a small force, so to combat the English he practiced the ancient tactic of "hit and run". You say you're a conservative but your don't even know your military strategics.
@bloodrunsclear So Lucas never mentioned Viet Cong at all? Because what you just wrote there was American Indians fighting in the woods. Did he say 'woods' or 'jungle'? The US army fought the Indians up until the 1800s. And Zinn? Seriously, you WORSHIP Zinn? You just said you didn't follow other people's misinformed views yet you're worshipping a man with his own views. But you've yet to define your own here and now. Stop believing in "isms" and just believe in yourself.
Even if he hadn't said 'During the Vietnam war' before it (which I forgot to add) he said jungle specifically.
You're grasping a straws.
Do you even read what I wrote? I assumed you'd worship Zinn because he had a low opinion of America and loved making revisionist history.
Also it continually confuses me how apparently I should stop questioning movies, stop making connections, stop observing politics I agree with...but also believe in myself.
@PandoraFlims Bloodrunsclear has an opinion that should be stated. It's not an original one but it's his nonetheless. Avatar is ID4. And if you don't remember ID4 or see the similarities, in 15 years a similar movie will come out and people won't remember that it will remind them of Avatar.
Thanks. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this movie is, if not a step backwards for the art of filmmaking, at least a miniscule mediocre hiccup in the long tradition of storytelling, replacing substance with propaganda and narrative structure with CGI.
@bloodrunsclear Just one correction: substance is propaganda. What one person believes is "clear thinking" or the "right way" another person believes is some new religion being "crammed down their throats".
@bloodrunsclear Fine? Encourages the opposite of what? Thinking? Either way it goes, you're still thinking about it. You're equating propaganda with things you don't want to hear. Propaganda is everything you hear. What's the problem with Hurt Locker? Did you see it? What didn't you like- bombs kill people, people deactivate bombs, soldiers drink, war is hell. Did you want to see a war movie where soldiers don't die? It doesn't exist. Humans die in battle. PERIOD.
Encourages the opposite of thinking. Just watch Avatar. No soldier is ever good, or American for that matter. Humans across the board suck, except for natives which are genetically better. Trees are awesome. Don't ask why they just are damn it!
The Hurt Locker was again another slanderous, onerous anti-soldier drama with aspirations on the Oscars because no thinking person went to see it.
War is hell is one thing. All soldiers are psychopaths is another.
@bloodrunsclear It's clear you didn't watch Hurt Locker. You probably got your review from a talking head on TV. All the soldiers in that movie rocked. None of them were crazy but they were frazzled by the IEDs. They even showed compassion with fallen soldiers and when that civilian was involuntarily locked into a vest. You felt for the soldiers and for the people stuck in between them and the insurgents. Watch the movie.
Naturally though since I disagree with you I MUST be parroting someone misinformed.
Hmm...all those big words about one man's propaganda being another's truth is coming back home, aren't they? Sound a tad meaningless in the face of your indignation.
No compassion for the fallen I could see. They were just pawns to be sneered at in a meaningless game fought between psychos.
@bloodrunsclear Big words? Is IED a big word? Or maybe frazzled? You didn't think that them letting the poor guy locked in the vest say bye to his family before he blew up wasn't compassionate on the part of our soldiers? Our soldiers looking for the little kid who was murdered and then going after his killer didn't make our boys look like heroes? Was that propaganda for "them" or for us? You didn't see the movie, admit it.
I did not mean in terms of quantity of letters, I meant imperative and powerful statements you meant.
No, because it came across as 'If you hadn't been here, this wouldn't have happened!'
Don't forget of course the 'touching' scene of air lifting the wounded soldier.
I won't admit it. I say poor dumb, badly scripted children playing in a giant sandbox being frightened (as they should be according to the movie) of the power of their enemies, acting arrogant, and dying unmourned.
@bloodrunsclear You've run out of things to say, dude. Quality of letters? Define "imperative statement". The "wouldn't have happened thing" came out of left field. (Yes, left field.) Then there's something about kids in a sandbox. A belief that soldiers don't get scared. (Ever?) Then someone is dying unmourned? I think you've lost us both there.
Know, you need to work on your vocabulary. I have plenty to say.
And your other statements just imply you aren't listening anymore. I guess you're literally incapable of hearing anything you disagree with.
But if you are lost there's not much I can do.
Luckily the entertainment world much of the media and popular culture at large agrees with your point of view so dissenters like me need not both you too greatly :)
@bloodrunsclear You're not a dissenter. Just a contrarian, if someone agrees with you, you suddenly change your position. Now you complain about vocabulary. "need not both you too greatly"... really?
Surrogates took a non original concept and told an original story.
Avatar took a non original concept and told a non original story, but hid this fact with expensive graphics.
Pocahantus had some kind of depth on both sides. The settlers AND indians were real people. One side was not confined to mustache twirling evil, the other sanctified. That was because the message was about how similar two people's can be and how they can unite.
Avatar was a bitter old man who hated humanity whining.
@bloodrunsclear Surrogates story is similar to I robot. And again no one is saying avatar is original. Why i liked avatar, it entertained me, doesn't mean it had to of been entertaining for everyone. People are different, hell some people thought the princess and the frog was a really good movie but you don't see me raining on their parade do you?
@bloodrunsclear I did not take the message the same as the movies message target audience did. (liberals) how do i know this well in the movie its stated that the bad guy is a member of the conservative party. But did the message deter the movie for me no because im my own person that can make decisions for myself. I've accepted the fact that movies come with messages. And i get by, because i know that the messages directed at other people most of the time.
I try VERY hard to do the same thing. With Prince of Persia the first time I heard 'We attacked the city for weapons they didn't have!' I thought I'd just turn off my brain and enjoy the rest of the movie.
The film wouldn't let me. Afterwards there was a moronic tea partier metaphor, references to the necessity for public trials of political enemies, attacks against religion.
It wouldn't let me enjoy it. Avatar was the same way.
You can insult me once and I let it slide. After that >:/
@bloodrunsclear The message in Prince of Persia was "buy this video game". That it. They added some laughs, attractive people, and so-so CGI to make people dizzy. Like others before it, no one will remember it a year from now.
@bloodrunsclear I bet there will be a combo set for Prince of Persia. One package containing the DVD, Blu-ray, and video game. And don't be surprised if there's an action figure in the works, too.
@bloodrunsclear Neither were propaganda movies. Propaganda movies have an "undercurrent" to sway you. There was no such subliminal devices in either one. Both were popcorn movies meant to take your money. If you saw both movies, they both succeeded.
Avatar: 9/11 tree, 'fight terror with terror', 'shock and awe', 'Booyah! Come get some!', 'we killed our mother'.
V for Vendetta: Evil clergyman, evil evangelical leader, evil propagandist based off of Bill O'reily, 'The muslims, the liberals, the homosexuals were rounded up', 'If your government was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 people, would you really want to know?'
You don't see these because apparently to you they're so natural they don't register.
@bloodrunsclear You're display ignorance now. Bill "papa bear" O'Reilly is a poor imitation of William F. Buckley, Jr. Conservative old-skool, bub. The rest of the stuff you said? Well, from now on you will see 9/11 whenever anything falls down. All those groups you mentioned will forever scare you into either hiding or fighting. Starting from the takeover of Hawaii I am aware of all the times my government killed and conquered. Turn off Beck and start reading.
You know its one thing to deny obvious propaganda, but also when the CREATORS of the stories say their works are meant to be propaganda then its simply delusional to believe otherwise. Cameron states clearly Avatar was meant to attack America, attack capitalism, attack the Iraq war and the Bush admin. He claims it had no attacks against soldiers, but soldiers themselves have disputed that. Likewise the Wachowski brothers made it clear their V movie was a renouncement of conservatives.
@bloodrunsclear Cameron is the consumate capitalist, your statement is moot. No one likes the Iraq War, especially those who greet the coffins coming back. The Bush admin is over, ancient history, get closure. Who cares about conservatives and liberals? Why do you want to be in a group so much? Believe in yourself for a change. You're gonna get angry and say all sorts of stuff now. It won't matter much. An attack in anger is a wasted move. Every living soldier will tell you that.
The Bush admin is over. No one will let it go though.
Ah, so you don't subscribe to either and consider neither better then the other (refer to your previous statement about Beck to understand my incredulity)
And your message is stop standing up for what you believe, stop dissenting, stop asking questions, stop observing, stop speaking out...but believe in yourself.
Then why wasn't it about the video game in any way shape or form?
Its like saying Avatar had no political message; its simply naive.
You are right though. No one will remember it, no matter how hard the author tried to shoe-in the modern day pass to the big time; criticism of the Bush administration.
@bloodrunsclear It's in the name itself, "Prince of Persia: Sands of Time". The audience now knows the exact game title to buy for their kids or favourite bro. And just because it's set in the desert no one but Glenn Beck will equate it to the Iraq War. You've got a hard on for G.W. Bush. Squeeze that out, man.
But you can also apply Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron, On Deadly Ground, The Last Samurai, Atlantis the Lost Empire, Dances with Wolves, Ernest Goes to Camp...
We can build a planet better than Pandora, is our decision, if we realize that money was good long time ago, but not any more we can change the world..
Avatar to me is an astounding symbolic example of humanity and empathy (and of course a fantasy film) By example it has given me hope that others share an understanding of the root causes that drive many of our very real world issues but I also express frustration (look here in comments to understand) /watch?v=7nVI_oYXAKY thread under my user name yes its only one person but I warn you its a classic example of hate speach that is becoming all to common in todays world
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123allrock 4 months ago
Beautiful film with humanity at its core. My idol Mr Cameron, however cynical it is, has brought to life a planet which we can admire, which we can aspire to, first of all we need to wise up and realise the damage we are doing to our earth.
Cameron's and Avatar's critics ignore the deeper meaning as they cant get to the core of the film, but simple yet story with mind blowing special and visual effects.
Avatar 4 Life!
singlet1991 10 months ago
@singlet1991 Thank you for this comment. I just can say that I´m agree and I´m in debt with Cameron.
byCharlyContraataca 10 months ago
what total B.S. James Camerons message was that "the next stage of evolution" is to not go back ot living in the woods but to use nature and technology
2Uwazup 1 year ago
@myblueguyisawsome1 we cause earthquakes? you fucking serious?
born2own 1 year ago
@born2own yeah we do... we destroy nature.. and nature gets pissed and throws earthquakes at us because of it, think of it.
cuzgandalfgothigh99 1 year ago
@myblueguyisawsome1 Yes, people in Hollywood don´t see and think as you and me. They have just two things in their minds: money and avarice. We can´t do nothing, just respect a little more our planet and ourself
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
@Asmodeus1967 Star Wars?? Waooo!! you are lucky!! Yes, this is the same thing happen to me and many people. Avatar, Pandora, was a new level! I never though I could feel this emotions in a theater...incredible!!! thanks to James, yes!!
In Spain the re-release date is September 23...xD
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
Avatar no ganó Oscars porque los demas compraron los OSCARS !!!!
very mad ! de seguro fue eso. Caray !! como en MTV Movie Awards... hello Avatar esta mil veces mejor que new moon eso esta claro y a mi me gusta la saga twilight y gano new moon en ves de Avatar. De seguro compran todo.
Una actriz o alguien que salio en la pelicula que gano el oscar en vez de Avatar, escuche que escribieron una carta diciendo q tomaran en consideracion la peli, que les dieran un oscar por lo menos.
Es verdad?
AibuBenabe 1 year ago
I agree with this completely! If we don't change our ways then we can't save our world. It's going to be a tough challenge with all the rich and powerful wanting to keep control of their power, but once we, the people that feed them their power, unite together, I believe we can overcome our former madness and remove these controlling governments & what we have wrongly mistaken for a society.
lockdown35 1 year ago
@lockdown35 thank you for this amazing comment!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
Yes I too see the message in the movie, although I understand it, it can be hard to explain & put into words...(but I still get it).....I have the dvd,.. Avatar is one of these must own collectible movies (everyone should have one) & I wonder what message the next movie will be sending out, I for one cant wait to see it & the next one after that!! Love the music on this video too...very nice indeed!!!!!!
TheMadmoggy 1 year ago
@TheMadmoggy thank you one more time, my friend! Yes, we can´t wait for sequels!! but there will be a theaters re-release this summer!!
Thank you! I like your comments, is very nice!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
@TheMadmoggy thank you one more time, my friend! Yes, we can´t wait for sequels!! but there will be a theaters re-release this summer!!
Thank you! I like your comments, is very nice!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
amazing! I completely agree, this was the exact message I saw in Avatar!
Nice music btw :)
InsaAhromee 1 year ago
@InsaAhromee yeah exactly! is incredible!! and thank you!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
When some Tea Bagger with a Farscape reference as a user name (to butch-up his self-image) spouts off the Libertarian-Militia anarchy diatribe each and every time he opens his mouth, it's pretty much the end of the fun. He won't listen or discuss or make sense. He'll make fun of your speech and cry when he thinks someone is making fun of his speech. It's a commercial for staying in school. Somewhere there are hate-everything Luxans waiting to bring you into their fold. Enjoy.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
I knew this Marine who was a thrill chaser. He spent four years, went to hot spots and came back. He was bored here. When he was driving he would run stop signs in his little Ford Fiesta across four-lane roadways. He eventually reenlisted in time for the first Gulf War. He didn't care who we were fighting, or right or wrong. He's no different from the bomb guy in The Hurt Locker. He was perfect for the job.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Parts I refer to.
The jackass bomb defuser who treats danger like an addiction.
The 'awe inspiring' scene of devastation from the suicide bomb. Seriously, Tokyo Rose couldn't have directed it better.
Shooting the soldier by accident when he was being dragged away.
The soldier's discussion in their truck about how all is chance and they don't believe what they fight for.
The disgustingly arrogant scene of the Army sergeant spewing endless hollow slogans.
The ending.
Just sad you didn't notice.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
How about this.
Watch the movie From Paris with Love. It depicts palestinian terrorists and a gung-ho American hero.
Dollars to donuts you'd come away shaking your head, wondering how such blatant pro-American anti-terrorist, surely racist fare ever made it to the screen and why no one censored it as it richly deserved before then.
Same thing with Rambo 4. Perhaps The Dark Knight.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
I take it again Animal Farm is nothing more then a story about animals?
1984 is really just science fiction without a message?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@mandey1234 Except for the drinking scene (five minutes too long) Hurt Locker was an excellent movie. Avatar had scenes that could have been written better. A few characters were a bit cartoonish. The characters in Hurt Locker were more three-dimensional. They didn't just have one way of thinking about the situation they were in. And you were never sure who was going to die. Avatar was good, Hurt Locker was Oscar-worthy.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
I don't know what Dr. Fine is about- hippie or opportunist. Avatar is just like any other well produced sci-fi movie, in its story. But I wouldn't say that if we don't understand the meaning we're all doomed. Those who don't get it will in another movie, if they're open to it. If not, who cares! Cameron has their money already. Cameron took a good sci-fi concept, attached a love story to it, and got to develop new-ish technology. A perfect tri-fecta in Hollywood.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
You know i speak the Avatar langauge
( * Na'vi *)
Want me to teach you?
spyrothedrag0n 1 year ago
@spyrothedrag0n really? well, i´m not interesting now, but we´ll see. thank you my friend for your petition
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
BTW nice video Charly hope to see more videos : )
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
@PandoraFlims oh thank you! yes I´m doing tibute videos and so on
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
thats exactly what i try to tell people when they say "that movie sucked, the plot was stupid" and i try to tell them, its not about how advanced the plot is! its about the simplicity and the fact that everything is connected and it is comparing the way life should be, natural, free and together along with what it is today, greedy, filthy and unconnected.
wolfpaw999 1 year ago
@wolfpaw999 of course! you are right!!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
that got me right where i live. best video i ever saw.
123megawtf 1 year ago
@123megawtf thank you
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
@123megawtf really best video?? waoo
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
i love the mousic to!
nikof121 1 year ago
@nikof121 hehe yeah is great!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
Wow. So sexism is the ONLY explanation.
And you used a homophobic slur!
Avatar attracts the nicest people...
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
good jobs man!!!
Avatar is the best now!!
cdcnkkuy004 1 year ago
@cdcnkkuy004 thank you very much!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
best movie ever, no more words to say.
TheChazas 1 year ago
There's an informed opinion :)
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
well, some people get the message, and some others didn't, thats it. What I don't understad is, this is a channel for people who like the movie.. not for people who doesn't like it
TZMMiami 1 year ago
Proves feminism is bad!
KirbyPwnz13 1 year ago
Bravo for the music.
MrJohnnyOwl 1 year ago
@MrJohnnyOwl thank you! Is great
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
awesome thankyou for sending me that message
yeanoyeano 1 year ago
How many people in here have seen Avatar,and then look at enviroment or nature for different eyes.I did
How many people in here reliesed that Nature is part of our life.I did
We need to stop destroying our nature.Maybe you say this is way far than your power. Just start doing little things,such as dont use too much paper and recycle everything you use
OfficialPandorAvatar 1 year ago
@LedZeppNin69 Completely epic that it's going tyo be back in theaters in the summer with deleted scenes!
Solarwinds122 1 year ago
@Solarwinds122 are you sure about that?
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
Regardless of the hidden meanings and underlying messages, it was an amazing movie.
No movie has ever been made the way this was made, no movie has ever looked like this one, no movie combined all these epic story elements into one.
It deserved the best picture win over The Hurt Locker(which was an alright movie, but I don't get the praise).
If you have seen how James Cameron directed AVATAR then you should know that he deserved the Best Director win also.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
@oblivionspawn07 totally agree, my friend.
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
No movie has ever been made...Except for Lord of the Rings, Golden Compass, and Eragon, Star Wars...etc
No movie has ever looked...Except for Lord of the Rings again.
Combined epic story elements...except for Dances with Wolves, Pocahantus, Fire Down Below...etc
It deserved...no it didn't. It had good CGI. That doesn't mean good direction.
If you have seen how...I did. I've rarely been so bored.
And no, he doesn't.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Dumbass. Walls of text =/= intelligence.
You are ignorance in a nutshell.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
No, you previously asked for evidence.
Ignorance? Hmm...which one of us is analyzing this film and which of us is just praising it?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear hahaha, What evidence did I ask for? I don;t recall asking for evidence about anything. I praise it because it deserves it. You hate it because you can't comprehend it.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
Sorry, that was another starry-eyed Cameron devotee ^_^
Because it deserves it: Provide examples perhaps?
Can't comprehend it: Did you even read my analysis? I understand it fine.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Your "analysis" was explaining why YOU thought the movie was "racist" or some stupid shit. nothing about the directing, filming, setting, or plot, which is what real film analysts talk about.
I could provide many examples but leaving walls of texts on youtube comments is hardly the way. If you truly care you can PM me.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
So my opinions are just opinions. Your opinions are FACTS. Got it.
I can say a thing or two about how it was made too.
If you really want me to I'll PM you. I don't mean to be a curmudgeon here but this Avatar derangement is starting to irritate me.
Not that I don't respect you, but I think if you consider the film just a bit harder you'll discover it not even very good at what it sets out to say.
Anyway, I'll PM the rest if you want me to.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear what the hell? I said your "analysis" of AVATAR was stupid because it wasn't an analysis. I never said anything about opinions and other dumb random shit that you keep bringing up.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
It wasn't any analysis? How no? I took points, provided evidence, made theories and proposed examples. What was I missing?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear man why the hell you spam this vid? u have like 10 + comment on this AND ONLY 5 hours man plz man don't talk just stfu and open your eye man and see the beaty of Avatar (you so ignorant and u see only the bad side of the movie why not the good side?the good side is that James C. did a lot of work to do this movie so be respectfull and STFU)
NinoAranyi 1 year ago
The good side is...it's pretty.
I got into a discussion is why all the text. The uploader is free to remove anything I say if they'd like.
Although its nice to know that people with dissenting opinions are told to STFU by Avatar fans apparently :/
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear No, but people like you who DO hate Avatar hate it for the most retarded reasons fathomable.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
Retarded reasons.
Again, want to explain? A PM is coming your way.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear man u love nature or not thats the first question to all
NinoAranyi 1 year ago
Avatar has nothing to do with that. The film makes no mention of real world environmental concerns. It's all about magical gods who will smite you if you don't love nature.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear you kidding? Avatar has nothing to do with nature?Did u saw the movie at least? ITS ALL ABOUT NATURE THERE! watch it then say it
NinoAranyi 1 year ago
It contains nature, yes, but it has nothing to do with preserving trees or wildlife for any reason except that a wrathful goddess might summon monsters to eat you. There's also the whole neural network thing with the pigtails, but even that has no real world application. And none of the plants are anything like things on earth anyway.
By your definition is any movie set in a forest about nature?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear im sure it is but idk right now but wtf u mean by "summon monster to eat you"? it mean that i will be eatten by a werewolf or wtf when i go to the forest?
NinoAranyi 1 year ago
At the end the mystic tree person summons the Banshee creatures and the rhino things (Direbeasts?) to fight the humans. So to me that seemed to prove that the goddess was warlike because there were a million other things that could have been done, especially since we're dealing with magic.
So the message seemed to be: save the trees or rhinos will stomp on you.
Other then that there's no reason to care. The fungus glows when you step on it, but so what?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
AVATAR est mortel !! Heuresement qu'il a eu des récompenses !
legolasking10 1 year ago
@LedZeppNin69 best movie ever!!
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
Good glory. Go watch movies and find out how wrong you are please.
Even if it is a good movie (which I contest) its not even in the top ten.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@byCharlyContraataca yes it is!
WasGehtApp 1 year ago
Great answers, my friend. I respect your point of view. But I´m not agree with anything that you said (even at the message you sent me). Avatar made me feel something that I never felt. But I will not explain you, because you has seen already the movie, and now is impossible to convince you.
Have a nice day, my friend.
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
What did it make you feel? Righteous indignation? Despair? Anger at people?
Plenty of movies have trumpeted the same message. Maybe Avatar was prettier, but that doesn't make it important, deep, or even all that ground breaker.
Its fun (for some people) and that's fine, but its not impressive.
I'm not sure what I'm not understanding. Logically, dramatically, Avatar is poorly done.
I only hope the great CGI in this film is used with a better story someday...
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
The environmental message is also a joke. The Pandora environment is nothing like The Earth except that it looks similar and all the reasons for defending it are either because of sci-fi nonsense (neural networks connecting organisms) or personal desires for property (the Na'vi want to live in a tree, Jake likes the forest) NONE of the reasons having to do with sustainability, ecological impact, the weather, or any real factors in real environmentalism.
Its Captain Planet environmentalism.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
Here's some evidence for you...
In the end of the film there wasn't a single good human. All of them either died or became Avatar, except for the scientists who basically because the Na'vi's pets.
Prejudice was shown as a good thing because all humans were so evil only by kicking them off the planet could their be peace. The final line that Quartich says 'How does it feel to betray your species?' Jake answers with a hiss as if to say 'Its not my species or problem any more'
Deplorable.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
Deeper meaning? You've GOT to be kidding me.
'Greed and cynicism' is a hypocritical message for an expensive and cynical movie.
The 'god' of the story is a vengeful and petty being worthy of worship only because she will destroy you instead. There's zero tolerance in the film because the message is very clear: humans are terrible, kill them all. There's not a single bad Na'vi character which means Avatar SUPPORTS racism and prejudice.
Its poorly written, trite, and cruel.
Rightfully ignored.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Wow, Lol you make a lot of claims without any evidence. xD Yes, there WERE bad Na'vi, and there were MANY good humans, and it doesn't support racism and prejudice, but rather shows the consequences of it. :P Honestly, it's people like you who try to stop these messages from reaching people.
Aaron2071 1 year ago
You didn't provide any either.
Bad Na'vi? How about showing me?
It does support prejudice! ('I can smell your human stink!' 'He needs to be taught out of his insanity!' both said by Na'vi we were supposed to respect)
The consequences? You mean the war at the end which was shown to be heroic and just?
And thank goodness. The messages of this film are terrible and damaging, one more excuse for self righteous people to hate their neighbors.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear You take this movie way too seriously. And focusing only the bad all the time can't be good for your mental health.
oblivionspawn07 1 year ago
I take it way too seriously? This after you talk about how deep and powerful Avatar is?
I take it seriously because it was intended to be taken seriously. Its not my fault that it fails at gravitas, delivers overactive drama, and a bad message on top of everything.
Its not good for your health to bow in worship to mediocre films either.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear honestly, you aren't being open minded in the least. Your examples are out of context, your "evidence" is really not evidence at all, but rather your opinion on an event or phrase. :P It has an amazing storyline, but you're too closed-minded to even consider it. I... I just honestly don't know what to do with you. :P I honestly don't know HOW to make someone like you understand, when you're so hard-pressed on keeping to your factless opinions. :( I guess I just give up on you.
Aaron2071 1 year ago
Let me understand this. I'M not being open minded because I can't accept that Avatar is so awesome it defies investigation?
Storyline? You mean Pocahantus lite?
Good to give up though. When you have nothing to say better to walk away.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Bloodrunsclear, please just stop... just, stop. I'm not asking you to "accept" something ridiculous and trivial... YOU're the one who is acting childish about this. :P The storyline is unique in detail, which is how ANY storyline nowadays can be unique. Your arrogance is the reason I want to give up, but I have such a natural urge to defend against the ignorant and arrogant that I cannot help but reply... If you were honest about improving your mentality, you'd pm me. :)
Aaron2071 1 year ago
You are asking me to accept something provably ridiculous.
So everything can be unique in detail?
Like Meet the Spartans, The Chipmunks movie too?
I did PM you. Know we'll see if you decide to answer.
Oh, by the way, believing something and being unable to prove it is called OPINION.
Like, say, you believing Avatar is terrific...and not being able or willing to explain why.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Thank you for the PM! :) I responded. I hope in time you will come to learn that I CAN prove and explain why. Unfortunately you are mistaking restraint for lack of evidence. However, in a PM I will be able to explain fully (without character limit) why I feel the way I do, and I hope you can do the same. :)
Aaron2071 1 year ago
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PandoraFlims 1 year ago
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@bloodrunsclear So what if avatar isn't original hell i wish i had a dollar for everymovie that retells a plot line in a different way. What makes avatar great is the fantasy and concepts in the movie plus its made for adults. What would you see a movie in a musical form that has a song that goes "savages savages bearly even human" or cool action scene explosions cgi interspecies romance? I don't know why haters of this film have to try to convince lovers of this film why its not good.
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
Fantasy? You mean all the stuff Cameron said he wouldn't have in his 'hard science fiction' movie?
Concept? Like, say, The Matrix, Ferngully, Aliens...?
For adults? I thought it was pretty juvenile.
The pacing was glacial, the action was obvious and derivative.
Pocahantus had class and depth compared to Avatar.
I can't convince lovers of this movie its not good.
But I can show why it isn't anyway...
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear counterattack xD
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
Pardon? XD
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@byCharlyContraataca Nice LOL ; )
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Fantasy!?!? Yes fantasy the mythology the world the creatures. So what if it is similar to the matrix Surrogates was similar to but guess what i didn't let that affect my feelings toward the movie i happened to like surrogates as well. LOTS of movies are similar toward others. And this is what bothers me the most you say to us stop giving opinions as cause to counter your statements yet you go and day pocahantus had class and depth... WTF would you call that. tb continued
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
Your acting like a man child pissed off and obsessed over the fact that we liked avatar. I don't know who pissed in you cherrios but stop trying to piss in ours.
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
I see. So using categorical references makes you FAR more mature then I.
Likewise slavishly worshiping a goofy cartoony environmental ploy also equals maturity?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Who says i conformed and agree with avatar's enviromental message. A message in a movie is only a small part of expeiencing a movie. Do go to watch movies for a lecture or to be entertained?
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
To be entertained.
That why I hate Avatar.
Look at Prince of Persia; an Iraq War metaphor now.
Unless we take a stand that's all we'll get: pretty looking lectures.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear all movies have messages and you can't hold yourself responsible when people take the message over the top to serious. You have to remember that some of those people weather avatar was created or not would still be thinking the same way messages only have a strong effect on the target audience any ways. Example a movie i liked for its uniqueness V for Vendetta had a message too. To be continued
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
Its one thing for movies to have messages.
Its another for them ALL to have THE SAME message.
Look around. There may be scattered examples, but mostly films come from one direction, attack one enemy (even when it makes no sense for the plot) say one thing.
V for Vendetta I took issue with not because of the message but the shoe-horned in political commentary. The original story is about fighting tyranny, but the movie is one long rant against Bush and only Bush. That was pointlessly added.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear I think you wanted to see Bush in the rant. It was a rant against government over-stepping its reach. It could've been about McCarthy... or Stalin... or Mao... J. Edgar Hoover, or whoever fit the role.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Ah, I see, that explains why it was a movie about an arrogant empire attacking a holy and innocent middle eastern city because a conniving power behind the throne had planted weapons of mass destruction. Likewise the little rant about trails for terrorists kind of clued me in.
I suppose 1984 had no political context and the comic series Maus was also about the Irish and English conflicts?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Every science fiction movie has political undercurrents. That's why the whole genre was created. Like Gulliver's Travel, it was a way to slip political thinking or countertalk by governmental censors. What you just described was the plot to Star Wars and Time Bandits and many more. V was written in the 1980s so Bush has nothing to do with it.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Fine, but the message doesn't tend to...
A: Be harped on endlessly after the issue is past
B: Be so relentlessly one sided
C: Be so brainless it requires an absence of thought.
Two errors this same propaganda occurred? Nazi German and Red Scare America.
As for V the comic was actually admittedly about Margaret Thatcher. The movie was an assault on Conservatives in general.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear You mean Torries. Don't confuse conservatives in the UK with those in the US. As far as the message, it can be anyway the producer wants it to be. No one has to show both sides. Sci-fi is a way to get YOUR message across not anyone else's. Who looked out for the Soviets and Cubans good image in the movie "Red Dawn"? It was totally one sided. "Avenge me, son! Avenge me!"
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
No actually the movie was specifically american Conservatives.
'Northfire was begun by a young evangelical Conservative' V says.
This is not from the comic.
No one has to show both sides. Good thing nowadays they only show one!
Oh, Red Dawn. That movie that critics everywhere soundly panned? The one they still make fun of?
The one they're remaking so America is the bad guy? That Red Dawn?
Just wondering :)
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear V was set in London. Torries live in London. They may have made it easier for Americans to understand but it was still London and the people were English. Bush is neither. Red Dawn was fun to watch because it had violence and attractive stars. Forget remakes, I'm going to see "Inception".
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Avatar is set on another planet. Prince of Persia is set in Arabia. District 9 was set in Africa. Animal Farm is set on a farm. 1984 is set in the future.
All were meant to convey and convince, some more artfully then others.
Location doesn't matter.
Inception indeed looks cool though :D
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Prince of Persia is set in ancient Persia. In fact, it's set hundreds of years before Islam became a religion. Persia was a superpower back then, along with Greece and Egypt. Different peoples, different politics.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Ah, I see!
Again, the Ewoks would have nothing to do with the Vietcong because they're teddy bear aliens on another planet!
Oh...
Oh wait, George Lucas himself said that the Ewoks were meant to represent the Vietcong?
Well...he's a liar obviously!
District 9 too. Even though the author says he made it as a metaphor for Apartheid, he's crazy. Its set in Africa but it has aliens in it, not Africans!
Silly authors, misinterpreting their own work.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Find me the interview where Lucas says he was inspired by Viet Cong. Your hour long History channel programs don't really help you much you know. Before the Vietnamese took on a larger force using guerrilla tactics, there was George Washington (yeah, that guy). George had a small force, so to combat the English he practiced the ancient tactic of "hit and run". You say you're a conservative but your don't even know your military strategics.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Go watch the commentary for Return of the Jedi.
'It occurred to me a big empire like America had been beaten by a native people using cunning in the woods. The Ewoks were my way of showing that'
Oh, the hour long history programs devoted to Howard Zinn? I guess not, although I'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't worship the man.
As for strategies, George didn't use improvised traps as far as I know.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear So Lucas never mentioned Viet Cong at all? Because what you just wrote there was American Indians fighting in the woods. Did he say 'woods' or 'jungle'? The US army fought the Indians up until the 1800s. And Zinn? Seriously, you WORSHIP Zinn? You just said you didn't follow other people's misinformed views yet you're worshipping a man with his own views. But you've yet to define your own here and now. Stop believing in "isms" and just believe in yourself.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Even if he hadn't said 'During the Vietnam war' before it (which I forgot to add) he said jungle specifically.
You're grasping a straws.
Do you even read what I wrote? I assumed you'd worship Zinn because he had a low opinion of America and loved making revisionist history.
Also it continually confuses me how apparently I should stop questioning movies, stop making connections, stop observing politics I agree with...but also believe in myself.
Do you be more like you?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@PandoraFlims Bloodrunsclear has an opinion that should be stated. It's not an original one but it's his nonetheless. Avatar is ID4. And if you don't remember ID4 or see the similarities, in 15 years a similar movie will come out and people won't remember that it will remind them of Avatar.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Thanks. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this movie is, if not a step backwards for the art of filmmaking, at least a miniscule mediocre hiccup in the long tradition of storytelling, replacing substance with propaganda and narrative structure with CGI.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Just one correction: substance is propaganda. What one person believes is "clear thinking" or the "right way" another person believes is some new religion being "crammed down their throats".
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Fine, but even those messages should encourage thinking.
Propaganda encourages the opposite.
Avatar encourages the opposite. The remake of Day the Earth Stood Still encourages the opposite. The Hurt Locket encourages the opposite.
When instead of the question all of the answers are provided, then it ceases to be a message and becomes instead propaganda.
Unless you believe that propaganda is okay as long as its the 'right' sort...
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Fine? Encourages the opposite of what? Thinking? Either way it goes, you're still thinking about it. You're equating propaganda with things you don't want to hear. Propaganda is everything you hear. What's the problem with Hurt Locker? Did you see it? What didn't you like- bombs kill people, people deactivate bombs, soldiers drink, war is hell. Did you want to see a war movie where soldiers don't die? It doesn't exist. Humans die in battle. PERIOD.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Encourages the opposite of thinking. Just watch Avatar. No soldier is ever good, or American for that matter. Humans across the board suck, except for natives which are genetically better. Trees are awesome. Don't ask why they just are damn it!
The Hurt Locker was again another slanderous, onerous anti-soldier drama with aspirations on the Oscars because no thinking person went to see it.
War is hell is one thing. All soldiers are psychopaths is another.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear It's clear you didn't watch Hurt Locker. You probably got your review from a talking head on TV. All the soldiers in that movie rocked. None of them were crazy but they were frazzled by the IEDs. They even showed compassion with fallen soldiers and when that civilian was involuntarily locked into a vest. You felt for the soldiers and for the people stuck in between them and the insurgents. Watch the movie.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
That's funny because I did.
Naturally though since I disagree with you I MUST be parroting someone misinformed.
Hmm...all those big words about one man's propaganda being another's truth is coming back home, aren't they? Sound a tad meaningless in the face of your indignation.
No compassion for the fallen I could see. They were just pawns to be sneered at in a meaningless game fought between psychos.
I didn't feel a damn thing but hate.
Saw it thanks. Never again.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Big words? Is IED a big word? Or maybe frazzled? You didn't think that them letting the poor guy locked in the vest say bye to his family before he blew up wasn't compassionate on the part of our soldiers? Our soldiers looking for the little kid who was murdered and then going after his killer didn't make our boys look like heroes? Was that propaganda for "them" or for us? You didn't see the movie, admit it.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
I did not mean in terms of quantity of letters, I meant imperative and powerful statements you meant.
No, because it came across as 'If you hadn't been here, this wouldn't have happened!'
Don't forget of course the 'touching' scene of air lifting the wounded soldier.
I won't admit it. I say poor dumb, badly scripted children playing in a giant sandbox being frightened (as they should be according to the movie) of the power of their enemies, acting arrogant, and dying unmourned.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear You've run out of things to say, dude. Quality of letters? Define "imperative statement". The "wouldn't have happened thing" came out of left field. (Yes, left field.) Then there's something about kids in a sandbox. A belief that soldiers don't get scared. (Ever?) Then someone is dying unmourned? I think you've lost us both there.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Know, you need to work on your vocabulary. I have plenty to say.
And your other statements just imply you aren't listening anymore. I guess you're literally incapable of hearing anything you disagree with.
But if you are lost there's not much I can do.
Luckily the entertainment world much of the media and popular culture at large agrees with your point of view so dissenters like me need not both you too greatly :)
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear You're not a dissenter. Just a contrarian, if someone agrees with you, you suddenly change your position. Now you complain about vocabulary. "need not both you too greatly"... really?
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
That's called syntax you grammar nazi XD
I missed the 'er', I suppose my arguments are invalid!
And again, it must really be nice that when someone disagrees with you its because they disagree with ANYTHING.
I mean no sane person could possibly consider movies the directors themselves have admitted are political hit pieces...were political hit pieces!
Maybe its true what they say about the creator knowing the least about his creation.
Or maybe you're just oblivious.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
Surrogates took a non original concept and told an original story.
Avatar took a non original concept and told a non original story, but hid this fact with expensive graphics.
Pocahantus had some kind of depth on both sides. The settlers AND indians were real people. One side was not confined to mustache twirling evil, the other sanctified. That was because the message was about how similar two people's can be and how they can unite.
Avatar was a bitter old man who hated humanity whining.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Surrogates story is similar to I robot. And again no one is saying avatar is original. Why i liked avatar, it entertained me, doesn't mean it had to of been entertaining for everyone. People are different, hell some people thought the princess and the frog was a really good movie but you don't see me raining on their parade do you?
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
You would if you saw Princess and the Frog as being hateful and compounding damaging thinking in impressionable people.
Nobody wanted to commit suicide after Princess and the Frog to my knowledge, nor did they hate mankind and want to world to blow up.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear I did not take the message the same as the movies message target audience did. (liberals) how do i know this well in the movie its stated that the bad guy is a member of the conservative party. But did the message deter the movie for me no because im my own person that can make decisions for myself. I've accepted the fact that movies come with messages. And i get by, because i know that the messages directed at other people most of the time.
PandoraFlims 1 year ago
I try VERY hard to do the same thing. With Prince of Persia the first time I heard 'We attacked the city for weapons they didn't have!' I thought I'd just turn off my brain and enjoy the rest of the movie.
The film wouldn't let me. Afterwards there was a moronic tea partier metaphor, references to the necessity for public trials of political enemies, attacks against religion.
It wouldn't let me enjoy it. Avatar was the same way.
You can insult me once and I let it slide. After that >:/
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear I don´t think I will see that movie, but if I do I will say my opinion
byCharlyContraataca 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear The message in Prince of Persia was "buy this video game". That it. They added some laughs, attractive people, and so-so CGI to make people dizzy. Like others before it, no one will remember it a year from now.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
So, like Avatar which was 'buy this DVD'?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear I bet there will be a combo set for Prince of Persia. One package containing the DVD, Blu-ray, and video game. And don't be surprised if there's an action figure in the works, too.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Uh...sure.
Avatar was in bed with McDonalds.
You're point would be? Both were propaganda hit pieces disguised as entertainment.
One succeeded, another did not.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Neither were propaganda movies. Propaganda movies have an "undercurrent" to sway you. There was no such subliminal devices in either one. Both were popcorn movies meant to take your money. If you saw both movies, they both succeeded.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
No subliminal messages.
Avatar: 9/11 tree, 'fight terror with terror', 'shock and awe', 'Booyah! Come get some!', 'we killed our mother'.
V for Vendetta: Evil clergyman, evil evangelical leader, evil propagandist based off of Bill O'reily, 'The muslims, the liberals, the homosexuals were rounded up', 'If your government was responsible for the deaths of 100,000 people, would you really want to know?'
You don't see these because apparently to you they're so natural they don't register.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear You're display ignorance now. Bill "papa bear" O'Reilly is a poor imitation of William F. Buckley, Jr. Conservative old-skool, bub. The rest of the stuff you said? Well, from now on you will see 9/11 whenever anything falls down. All those groups you mentioned will forever scare you into either hiding or fighting. Starting from the takeover of Hawaii I am aware of all the times my government killed and conquered. Turn off Beck and start reading.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
Turn off Beck.
Well, I can see that the filmmakers have done their work :)
What would you say if all the movie depicted heroic soldiers and honorable Americans?
I doubt ti would be 'turn off Ulberman and start reading'
But it is nice to be simultaneously the ones charge AND the persecuted minority, isn't it? :)
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
You know its one thing to deny obvious propaganda, but also when the CREATORS of the stories say their works are meant to be propaganda then its simply delusional to believe otherwise. Cameron states clearly Avatar was meant to attack America, attack capitalism, attack the Iraq war and the Bush admin. He claims it had no attacks against soldiers, but soldiers themselves have disputed that. Likewise the Wachowski brothers made it clear their V movie was a renouncement of conservatives.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Cameron is the consumate capitalist, your statement is moot. No one likes the Iraq War, especially those who greet the coffins coming back. The Bush admin is over, ancient history, get closure. Who cares about conservatives and liberals? Why do you want to be in a group so much? Believe in yourself for a change. You're gonna get angry and say all sorts of stuff now. It won't matter much. An attack in anger is a wasted move. Every living soldier will tell you that.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
He is a hypocrite. Thanks for mentioning that :)
The Bush admin is over. No one will let it go though.
Ah, so you don't subscribe to either and consider neither better then the other (refer to your previous statement about Beck to understand my incredulity)
And your message is stop standing up for what you believe, stop dissenting, stop asking questions, stop observing, stop speaking out...but believe in yourself.
Paint me goofy but that sounds contradictory.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
Then why wasn't it about the video game in any way shape or form?
Its like saying Avatar had no political message; its simply naive.
You are right though. No one will remember it, no matter how hard the author tried to shoe-in the modern day pass to the big time; criticism of the Bush administration.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear It's in the name itself, "Prince of Persia: Sands of Time". The audience now knows the exact game title to buy for their kids or favourite bro. And just because it's set in the desert no one but Glenn Beck will equate it to the Iraq War. You've got a hard on for G.W. Bush. Squeeze that out, man.
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Who decided to use "Pocahontas" and "FernGully" as comparisons?
hulkhatepunybanner 1 year ago
It just seems obvious.
But you can also apply Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron, On Deadly Ground, The Last Samurai, Atlantis the Lost Empire, Dances with Wolves, Ernest Goes to Camp...
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
We can build a planet better than Pandora, is our decision, if we realize that money was good long time ago, but not any more we can change the world..
TZMMiami 1 year ago