@henza9218 i'm not sure what the case is haven't bothered learning it all yet all i can say is that WW2 is long gone and a few men can't be held accountable for the whole nation. i have know doubt america did it's fair share it was unfortunate kokoda was only fought by australians but americans have fought alone many times before this as well
@THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS Tommy guns or Thompsons as there know as jammed a fair bit in general, but considering the terrain the anzacs were in a wet and moist jungle, probably a firearms nightmare.
@badgerattoadhall i know there just as good n brave, just people wondering why they look abit unorganized , and some of them not coping that well under fire, thats all mate.
@m16isdabest initially Japanese soldiers fought against the Australian Militia who were considered to be "lesser soldiers". They proved otherwise. Lest we Forget.
Type in Kokoda Track campaign on wikipedia, you'll learn alot.
Ralph Honner was one of the heroes of Kokoda, It'd be great if he was remembered a bit more.
Also, if you guys wanna see a great mini-series about the Pacific theatre of war, the Spielberg/Hanks production "The Pacific" is amazing. It's brutal but seems honest in its portayal. Totally different warfare against the Japs as against the Germans.
@maccermacnab the pacific wasn't all that good to be honest, it didnt have the same kick as compared to band of brothers. I just think the pacific were over exaggerating american heroism.
@killersushi99 They were awesome compared to what preceeded them. Still good today...as long as you know what you're doing, not like the vast majority of these young blokes here (which is an actual portrayal of what happened to the chocos in New Guinea...to begin with anyway).
you know what i like about this movie. it doesnt represent the australians as the greatest and is humble somewhat. compared to many american films which represent the americans as the ww2 superman.
@satojinnthehero Come on now mate! Surely you must have realised that the US won WW2 all by itself!? Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India etc etc only raised half a dozen platoons between them! ROFL ;)
@satojinnthehero Indeed you do see alot of jingoism in US film about WWII. However there are plenty of good programs that do a good job of showing what it was really like (Band of Brothers). Just because we're a bit of a sore winner doesn't mean America doesn't deserve credit where credit is due. It was our warships and bombers that brought japan to its knees. Australia did it's part but it simply lacked the manpower, industry, and resources to fight a conflict of that scale.
it was australia that gave japan there first defeat. 250 aussies defeated 6000 japanese. until this time the allies believed the japs were invincible. also without australia as a base the allies would have been crushed in the pacific. america and britain both relied heavily on australia against the japanese.
Why do you guys call eachother " chocos" or something? What does it mean? PS When I was 9, I HARRASSED my Mum to buy me these little plastic Aussie troops in a bag. There was a Japanese version too. Of course, the Aussies always won...
@Noodles37UK The chocos were disrespected at first by the veteran AIF 'cos they were militia, poorly equipped and trained, sure to melt in the heat of battle like chocolate. hence, "chocos"
they really gotta make some more great movies like kokoda!!!!!! this was just an exelent film but i always thought they could of made it so much better and longer.
@species6339 well kokoda was a rear guard battle. the biggest battle the aussies and thes japanese fought at was at milne bay which was prior to kokoda
@ozzyguy67 1788 was the landing of the first fleet with captain arthur phillip declaring nsw to be the first british colony in australasia. federation established australia's independence from britain thus joining the states and forming a government which britain recognised. So we've gone from being a colony in 1788 to a nation 1901.
why do people always down the Australian military acts in the wars? and they make points of why this is nothing compared to other shit and stuff just get over it people fought hard for their you dont need to go and say they where shit keep these type of opinions to ur selves
@Spocq, Google 'Kapa Kapa Trail', it's to the south of the Kokoda Trail & is ~130-miles long. The 2/126th Infantry, 32nd 'Red Arrow' Inf. Div. crossed it during WWII. They were supposed to provide support to the Aussies on the Kokoda Trail but it was impossible & the Kapa Kapa had worse terrain than the Kokoda, but their crossing was fortunately unopposed. It took them 42-days to cross it. They were the frist white people to cross the Kap Kapa since 1917 so they had to reopen the 'trail'.
Any Australian victory was press released as an Allied Victory.
The Aussies had to show the Yanks how to fight. A US veteran I met said "We would not go into the jungle, the Aussies had to go in before us. They had to show us how to use our weapons"
The US were given the task to take Buna, they couldn't. After taking Gona the Aussies had to help them out. A group of Australian tanks were also used there.
"They had to show us how to use our weapons"? Are you being serious? I believe the rest, but that is way too over the top. The Japanese wouldn't invade the US because there would be "a rifle behind every blade of grass." Know how to use their weapons, oh hell yeah. Know how to fight in a jungle, oh hell no.
In 1974 I was travelling with a serving US soldier and we spent the night at his uncle's home in Buffalo N.Y.
When his uncle found out that I was an Australian he opened up. He said "I was in New Guinea in WW2" In front of his nephew he said, quote, "We would not go into the jungle, the Aussies had to go in before us" and
"We did not know how to use our weapons, the Aussies had to show us"
Macarthur and Blamey were complete fools when it came to understanding the situation on the ground in N.G. Gen. Mac was more interested in his self promotion as a leader than the men under his command.
The untrained 100 or so Aust. militia, av age 18, with a lot of WW1 equipment, no entrenching tools, poor food, no mortars, no heavy machine guns, were thrown at the japs, who were elite troops with victories in China and the Phillipines, on the Kokoda Track
The Militia fought a fighting, delaying retreat against overwhelming numbers until they got to Isurava where the remaining men were told to dig in and die. The regular Army who had arrived back from fighting the Germans in the mid east were scrambling up the track to reach them, a 10 day "hike' from Morseby. They reached them in time, a few more hours and they would have been wiped out. Even then the Japs were so numerous that they too had to fall back.
The Aussies had delayed the Japs by 2 weeks and the Japs had began to run out of supplies. More Aust. soldiers and supplies were arriving in N.G. and they then pushed the japs back ascross the Owen Stanley Ranges to the northern beaches of Gona, Buna and Sananada.
Here, at Buna, Macarthur would show the Australians how the "superior" US troops could fight. Well it was a disaster. The Generals demanded WW1 style frontal attacks on fortified positions.
I gotcha, I took the statement out of text. It wasn't that the Americans didn't know how to use their weapons, rather they didn't know how to use them effectively in those situations.
But truth be told, the Americans flew half way around the world and fought tooth and nail in defense of Australia and the pacific theater. And of that we are eternally indebted to them.
@ndingo Na, man the choco's in the movie were the ones who held off the japs for 3 weeks until reinforcements came (Australian soldiers). I don't think it was the Americans, cuz when the choco's were fighting the Americans were in Australia, having the time of their life, taking Aussie soldiers wifes and girlfriends and stuff like that.
"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
Very true Swanning t- Australia got their arses thrashed by the greeks - thats why there are so many in melbourne. and true america oozes class - the way they were humbeled by that gargantuan superpower Vietnam ....
@sleeaustralind You are not stating facts You have failed to respond to the facts as stated not by me only, but Stillwell Rommel Montgomery The Bitish Official history of WW2 Hundreds of books on the subject..man i give up. For you to include Libya in a list of 'Australias failures' is beyond ludicrous. Does the name 'Rats of Tobruk' mean nothing to you? It certainly meant something to the allied powers because it was the first piece of good news. Rommel held and Africa saved.
Well when the aussies assissted the british attack at bardia, it was well coordinated that the italians panicked chronically that they surrendered to them, over 40,000. The aussies and the brits were highly disciplined than their italian counterparts.
muz. The Australians have always mocked other troops. They were very critical of the Soviet troops also. If Australia had come up against the USSR, it would have been an easy win to the Soviets to my mind. The Australians were simply not that good. Other troops such as Indians, New Zealanders and Dutch realize that they were not that good. It is time that Australians stopped boasting and look at what really happened.
I simply point out to you what is on the historical record. The Assie infantry don't need my praise, they have enough praise from more qualified people than I. Every national army was blundering at some stage. Time and time again, like poorly led and poorly executed missions by Americans and British, the AIF were involved in massive blunders as you say. But surely you understand that Brigade commanders can't argue with higher ups. High Command decides!
* [A] batch of some 50 or 60 Australian prisoners were marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle.[84] —Lieutenant General Erwin Rommel, Commander, German Afrika Korps, Battle of Tobruk, 1941.
* My God, I wish we had [the] 9th Australian Division with us this morning. —Major General Freddie de Guingand, Chief of Staff, Allied Land-force Headquarters Europe, D-Day, 1944. * We could not have won the battle (El Alamein) in twelve days without the magnificent 9th Australian Division.[85] —Montgomery, writing about the Allied breakthrough in North Africa
"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
The effect on the morale of all Allied servicemen in Asia and the Pacific was profound, but especially for other Australians fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Track, U.S. Marines simultaneously fighting the Battle of Guadalcanal and Slim's troops in the 14th Army who had been retreating in Burma.
The battle honour Milne Bay was subsequently awarded to the Australian 9th, 25th, 61st, 2/9th, 2/10th and 2/12th Battalions.[5]
Tobruk Fighting from fixed positions, the Australian infantry successfully contained and defeated repeated German armoured and infantry attacks on the fortress.[18] After the failure of the British attempts to relieve the fortress in May and June 1941 the 9th Division was successful in gradually improving Tobruk's defences through aggressively raiding Axis positions.[19]
"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we.
Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army;
those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
muz. Made up history? It is just an opinion like yours is. My opinion just happens to be less biased. I am inpressed with countries that do bold moves. Australia and England for that matter rely on others. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was a bold move, as was the German attack on the USSR. The Americans were also very brave and bold to take on the Japanese at Midway. The Japanese victory at Singapore was also impressive. It is easy to take up defensive positions. We all know that.
All that I have posted are opinions of those who were on the scene and reported on the Aussie troops. Not mine.
I read history and the opinions you have expressed seem to be at odds with historical fact. In my opinion, good troops have high morale, good nco's, proper planning and cohesion, logistical support, and individual initiative. The last quality is part of the history of the Aus. infantryman.
You baldly state that Australian troops were simply not that good. I react to that not out of australo- centric defensiveness, but out of pique that you can air such an opinion with no backup and nothing to justify it.
Read up on it,
Bardia to Bengazi, Tobruk, Syria, El Alemein, Milne Bay, Kokoda, Buna - Sanananda - Gona, Finchaven, Lae, Salamua, Markam Valley, Borneo, Tarakan....
All successful actions and irrefutable examples of why you are wrong in your opinion.
muz. Face it. The Australian experience is a litany of disasters, going back to Greece, Singapore, Crete and Libya. I don't think Australia ever won anything. They were clearly outclassed by Japan, a tiny country compared with huge Australia.
@swanningaround You are not stating facts You have failed to respond to the facts as stated not by me only, but Stillwell Rommel Montgomery The Bitish Official history of WW2 Hundreds of books on the subject..man i give up. For you to include Libya in a list of 'Australias failures' is beyond ludicrous. Does the name 'Rats of Tobruk' mean nothing to you? It certainly meant something to the allied powers because it was the first piece of good news. Rommel held and Africa saved.
Your dispute is not with me but with written and recorded history.
You don't read
You don't follow rules of debate
You say things like 'gloves off'
or 'face the facts' yet you have demonstrated, at best, a infatuated schoolboy version of military history. At worst, a unneccessary and fruitless effort on my part to provide you with the neccessary kick up the arse for dishonoring our dead.
@swanningaround The 7th is sometimes known by the nickname "The Silent Seventh", due to a perception that its achievements were unrecognised, in comparison to the other Australian divisions. The origin of this belief appears to be censorship of the part played by the 7th Division in the fierce fighting in the 1941 Syria-Lebanon campaign.[3]
@swanningaround [A] batch of some 50 or 60 Australian prisoners were marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle.[84] —Lieutenant General Erwin Rommel, Commander, German Afrika Korps, Battle of Tobruk, 1941
@swanningaround The British Field Marshal Sir William Slim, who had no part in the battle, said "Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
The effect on the morale of all Allied servicemen in Asia and the Pacific was profound, but especially for other Australians fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Track, U.S. Marines simultaneously fighting the Battle of Guadalcanal and Slim's troops in the 14th Army who had been retreating in Burma.
The battle honour Milne Bay was subsequently awarded to the Australian 9th, 25th, 61st, 2/9th, 2/10th and 2/12th Battalions.[5]
@swanningaround The effect on the morale of all Allied servicemen in Asia and the Pacific was profound, but especially for other Australians fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Track, U.S. Marines simultaneously fighting the Battle of Guadalcanal and Slim's troops in the 14th Army who had been retreating in Burma.
The battle honour Milne Bay was subsequently awarded to the Australian 9th, 25th, 61st, 2/9th, 2/10th and 2/12th Battalions.[5]
Fighting from fixed positions, the Australian infantry successfully contained and defeated repeated German armoured and infantry attacks on the fortress.[18] After the failure of the British attempts to relieve the fortress in May and June 1941 the 9th Division was successful in gradually improving Tobruk's defences through aggressively raiding Axis positions.[19]
@swanningaround * My God, I wish we had [the] 9th Australian Division with us this morning. —Major General Freddie de Guingand, Chief of Staff, Allied Land-force Headquarters Europe, D-Day, 1944.
@swanningaround We could not have won the battle (El Alamein) in twelve days without the magnificent 9th Australian Division.[85] —Montgomery, writing about the Allied breakthrough in North Africa
Not the opinion of Commanders in General this time (according to you they are wrong btw)
But a more common source- Wikipedia... "In common with both the 6th and 7th Divisions, the 9th Division was only of only a few Allied army units to serve with distinction in the Middle East and the South West Pacific Area."
muz. I really don't know what point you are making. Who cares who served in two specific theaters. What exactly does "served with distinction" mean? It sounds like a whole bunch of meaningless hot air. I'm sure that the 2nd Infantry Division (South Africa) served with distinction also.
the point I'm making is obvious to anyone who reads this. It's you that has opinions- namely that you state that the2 AIFs record in ww2 shows that they were "not that good" I have shown you not what I think- but what is recorded in history- the opinions of people that are eminently more qualified than you. I have shown you to be a fool to make the comments you have made, stupid, vacuous, and in some cases 180 degrees off official history.
muz. Why don't you quit when you are ahead. It is well known that Australian forces have not performed well. There is plenty of misinformation taught about the "great Australian fighting man". Actually, troops from other countries like France, Poland, Canada and the USA scored monumental victories in WW2. The Australians had their chance in Greece and were quickly beaten off.
Quit while I'm ahead? You have been proven to be wrong.You have made peurile and irrelavent claims. It is not 'well known that Australians forces have not performed well'- it is well known that they DID perform well. Was Rommel misinformed? Is the official history misinformed? Stillwell and Montgomery?
@muzlinkage You talk like you know what happened in Greece. Quickly beaten off? Were you there? Is the history somehow wrong? Did you also know that the 6th Div was opposed by a dozen including the Adolph Hitler Liebstandardt? Did you also know that they were ordered to conduct a fighting withdrawal which they successfully did?
muz. The taking of the whole of Cyrenacia? The Australians never did that. It was a large multinational force comprising the US, India, Pakistan, Poland, France, South Africa, New Zealand, India, England, Rhodesia, and - a very small contribution from Australia.
It was a combined force. The Indian 4th Div was taken out of the lineand replaced by Aussie 6th which, with the British 7th Amoured blocking to the west, took Bardia and 40,000 prisoners and tons of material. Commander 7th Amored lent 28 matildas and a few 25 pndrs to the 6th. Any brit Inf were drawn to the west to cut off Cyrinacia and win a significant battle at Beda Fromm on the border. The Aus. 6th then took Tobruk. Dernia and Bengazi.
@swanningaround Throughout the war Australia niether had the Material or manpower for logistics or armour. This was provided by the Brits for the first half and the Yanks for the second. Aus. never fielded a full engineering company. The Libyan campaign from late '40 to 6th Feb '41 was a victory for the allies. With some elements of 7th Brit armoured, the Aus.6th Div took the whole of Cyrenacia except Beda Fromm. The US weren't there, it would 18 mnts before they entered the war.
@swanningaround Pakistan didn't enen exist until 1947! The only Freench in the Mid East at that stage were the Vichy forces in Syria, which were to be defeated by the Aus; 7th Div later that year. Sth Africa, New Zealand, Rhodesia entered the campaign with operation crusader, an unsuccessful attempt to relieve the siege of Tobruk, which had been held by the Aus 9th Div, who provided Rommel with his first defeat in the Easter Battles. The Poles first entered the campaign when, with Sth African
forces, relieved the 9th when the siege was finally broken.
The Aus. 6th, 7th and 9th in the first half of '41 provided the Allies with the only good news and everywhere else everyone was on the run.
I'll reapeat something. The 6th took Cyrenacia in 8 weeks- Dec '40 - Feb '41. US weren't EVEN IN nth Africa until operation Torch 2 yrs later! The Poles were still forming up in Britain. Pakistan DIDN'T EVEN EXIST until after the war!
muz. Wow! If Pakistan did not exist, then how come Pakistanis were killed in WW2? I hate people like you. You try to discredit others by using country names in this fake way. The country name did not exist at the time, but the people did. You are the ignorant one, saying that Australia was so great. Anyway, Rommel defeated the allies in Tobruk, and the South Africans were hold it. I never knew you were a racist as well as being ignorant - not giving the Pakistanis any credit.
@swanningaround I'm not a patriot. I'm a musician as well as being a history freek... I don't know where you're really coming from... why have you got it in for Aussies? I could rave on for hours about the what where when and why... I think the thing that changes it is the word hate Who have I discredited? YOU are the one doing the discrediting...
muz. Good. You are sayng sensible stuff now. Look. I'm not saying that the Australians soliders individually were not good. I think most of the problem was they worked under the English. To my mind the Australians made a big mistake. They went to defend England, and the English ordered them to go to Greece. They should have gone to England and stayed there like the English did. The English waited until 1944 to fight. Australia should have done the same, and went into Germany as great victors.
@swanningaround There is an old saying in Australian military folklore- 'We must sacrifice our prestige for the greater good' that is - an Aus. victory in nth Africa was a British victory. Propaganda for the home front, and the brigadiers new it. I suspect it the same from any dominion troops, Punjabis, Sihks, Maoris,
Ghurkas etc. etc
all Empire soldiers. Kokoda, Milne Bay etc were 'Allied victories' but Buna was a 'US victory' to the Aussies it was a matter of swallowing their pride
@muzlinkage Mooreshead- Cmmdr Aus 9th Div. @ Tobruk
' We stay here. There will be no surrender and no retreat'
What screwed Rommel and confused 90th light commanders was that to the Aus. infantry, there was no such thing as ' no mans land'"No mans land belongs to us."' Agressive reconnaissance patrols in stregnth.
The 9th were relieved by the South Africans and the Poles, who, for one reason or another,
lost it shortly thereafter- much to the dismay of 9th Div soldiers.
@swanningaround The Aus. high command had no choice in mid 1940. They did what the Brits wanted them to. Had Rommel not been stopped at Tobruk, who knows what might have happened.
Egypt falls, Africa corps reverses the result achieved by the 7th Div in Syria, met with the 6th army at the Cuacasian oilfields, drove east to take the jewel, India- with Japan driving west.
Its not the first time that Churchill blundered. If not for Divisional guns the 6th would have
muz. The Australians should not have gone anywhere near the stupid adventures like in Greece and Northern Africa. They should have gone straight to England and stayed there like the English did. Libya was always a side show. Rommel had the Afrika Korps there, which was a very small number of men, not really important. The key battle was in France. When they lost, the English quickly withdrew and wisely awaited further developments. Japan soon attacked Pearl Harbor. Problem solved.
Please use British instead of English- maybe I'm pedantic but 51st Highlanders, Enniskillins etc were not English (a grave insult to a Scot!)Australians went where they were told to- until Curtin became prime Minister and defied Churchill. Cairo was almost evacuated- it came that close. The Mid East was of utmost importance to long term strategy and Nth Africa was the door that Rommel failed to force open. If the Brit Ilses were cut off from its Empire and Mid East went to Hitler- GAME OVER!
All these people who praise America for what it did.... Bollocks! I once read that only by July 1944 did the Americans have more troops in the field than the Brits in the European war. In the far east, yes the Americans were the major people of the island hopping. The Commonwealth did there bit. As for me.........my grandfather fought in the Rhodesian Reg, part of the 11th East African div in Burma.
I find it really sad that some Auzzies on here are defending the AmericansThe long and the short of it surly is-how long were the Brits and the Commonwealth fighting? How long were th fucking yanks fighting? Any country that comes late into the fight can have an influence. If it wasnt for the co'wealth lot the war would have been already over by the time the yanks got involved. In the Pacific who were in Burma, the British! Who were in the Solomons and N.G, mostly NZ's and Auzzies and Borneo too
well I for one dont fully support that arguement. I too believed that the yanks are utter pansies not to mention that they always carried a bit of cash on them for gambling.
There is America and then there is the American soldier. Yes they were late on the scene but not all of them were hopeless. Some were very good and not brag artists like they're known for.
Hehe, actually in wwii we took alot of british stuff and improved like making the matilda tank more reliable and making a flame thrower version and cool shit like that. Also the Owen submachine was australian designed and made and was infinetely more reliable than pretty much any other submachine for jungle warfare so much so that the Australian army was still using it in Vietnam
Beautiful old Enfield SMLE's. I love those guns, especially this version with the underlug for the bayonet. In fact, these are all cool guns. Old style Bren gun, an old Thompson, all cool. They even show how unreliablle these semi-autos are in this jungle shit. Why is it that right after the Jap sneaks up and slits the guys throat a few bullets hit right behind the guys, but you can't hear a gun shot? They didn't use silencers on rifles, the last time I checked.
It was just an example of a very reliable and favoured weapon. Very similar to the british sten.
Aussies made a creditable fighter Boomarang (similar to a Grumman) Woomera (twin engined fast bomber that never made it to production) and the Sentinal (comparable to th T- 34 also never made it to production)
Aus. simply didn't have the resources to develop its own weapons on any scale. Boomerang made it to combat by 43. Very maneuverable, good rate of climb, great dive, well armoured but too slow.
@muzlinkage Ah sorry I was thinking the T-6 Texan (Harvard) which the Wirraway was a derivative. Pretty sure the T-34 didn't fly until after the war though.
at one point after the fighting they found a japanese document that estimated the australian force fighting at this time to be about 6000 soldiers because of the damage they inflicted. In reality it was the front company of the 39th militia battalion that numbered about 110 men. there is even one account of a japanese soldier in total shock after an aussie bloke ran out of the scrub with half a dozen grenades and blew himself and about 20 japs to bits.
the aussie choco and royal soldiers were mostly known during the heat of battle by there swearing you could distinguish them by listeninghow many times they curse if its over 3 times a sentance he was a true blue aussie lol
ZeonOne, my spelling is as good as it needs to be, and spelling has nothing to do with this video, and i just gave a fact, you dont need to act like such a dick.
Thompson is American. Enfield is British. Australians either purchased from those countries or they reproduced the weapon themselves. Either way, their American and British made fucking 13-year old big mouth.
Go Aussies! We beat those jap bastards to a mushy little pulp. Did you see what that jap did to the soldier at the end? The damn jap was probably slaughtered later on anyway.
they mainly used the australian owen sub machinegun during this battle so why are they even using thompsons
AlienFirefox 1 day ago
8:35 if that were me I'd be going: "awww maaaaan" >:/ lol
Trialbystone17 2 months ago
Lee-Enfield <3
TaZ101SAGA 4 months ago
@ozzyguy67 I think there were actually, but not sure how many.
stevieman38 5 months ago
@stevieman38 You make me cringe. There were 0 I'll say it again 0 kiwis at kokoda. Please learn.
MsSloppyseconds 3 months ago
3:23 lucky bastard lol
jonitis117 7 months ago
@henza9218 i'm not sure what the case is haven't bothered learning it all yet all i can say is that WW2 is long gone and a few men can't be held accountable for the whole nation. i have know doubt america did it's fair share it was unfortunate kokoda was only fought by australians but americans have fought alone many times before this as well
mattmatt1102 8 months ago
i hate how american history classes don't teach us about other nations achievements like this i never even heard of kokoda.
mattmatt1102 8 months ago
@mattmatt1102 true they wont mention how you guys refused to attack the japs at kokoda
Henza9218 8 months ago
Why the Bren-Gunner alsways need someone to change the mags?
DRGgang2 9 months ago
@DRGgang2 because there chocos militia
Henza9218 8 months ago
@THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS Tommy guns or Thompsons as there know as jammed a fair bit in general, but considering the terrain the anzacs were in a wet and moist jungle, probably a firearms nightmare.
TheSamfred20 10 months ago
oooooh not nice at the end
19780433 10 months ago
remember there only Militia. they were not the aif.
m16isdabest 11 months ago
@m16isdabest why should that matter?
badgerattoadhall 8 months ago
@badgerattoadhall i know there just as good n brave, just people wondering why they look abit unorganized , and some of them not coping that well under fire, thats all mate.
m16isdabest 8 months ago
@m16isdabest initially Japanese soldiers fought against the Australian Militia who were considered to be "lesser soldiers". They proved otherwise. Lest we Forget.
Type in Kokoda Track campaign on wikipedia, you'll learn alot.
xaviercourtney 1 week ago
Tommy guns jam alot in this movie!
THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS 1 year ago 12
@THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS they usually do
AeroGeekTV 6 months ago
@THEKINGOFMETROPOLIS its the daam jungle man !
soldier660 6 months ago
I have a 1942 Lithgow S.M.L.E III .303 rifle. . i fucking LOVE it, it was in servis in WW2 but im not too sure were it went
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
anyone know where i can watch this or others like this at?
snipertenten 1 year ago
i couldent see all that good but after that jap slits one of our boys neck is that his mate tackling the jap?
KAST3692 1 year ago
@KAST3692 its the guy that gets shot in the leg (sam im pretty sure) that tackles the jap
COD4K1LLER 1 year ago
Fuck japanese....
andi164 1 year ago
Ralph Honner was one of the heroes of Kokoda, It'd be great if he was remembered a bit more.
Also, if you guys wanna see a great mini-series about the Pacific theatre of war, the Spielberg/Hanks production "The Pacific" is amazing. It's brutal but seems honest in its portayal. Totally different warfare against the Japs as against the Germans.
maccermacnab 1 year ago
@maccermacnab the pacific wasn't all that good to be honest, it didnt have the same kick as compared to band of brothers. I just think the pacific were over exaggerating american heroism.
MrMaffew87 1 year ago
08:50~09:00 kill gaijin!
Therikugunhohei 1 year ago
Bolt action rifle. Not your friend.
killersushi99 1 year ago
@killersushi99 They were awesome compared to what preceeded them. Still good today...as long as you know what you're doing, not like the vast majority of these young blokes here (which is an actual portrayal of what happened to the chocos in New Guinea...to begin with anyway).
polpiv4tifi 1 year ago
you know what i like about this movie. it doesnt represent the australians as the greatest and is humble somewhat. compared to many american films which represent the americans as the ww2 superman.
satojinnthehero 1 year ago 26
@satojinnthehero so true the americans have really got to tone it down a bit
Henza9218 1 year ago
@satojinnthehero but still, we are pretty bloody awesome mate
COD4K1LLER 1 year ago
@satojinnthehero Come on now mate! Surely you must have realised that the US won WW2 all by itself!? Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India etc etc only raised half a dozen platoons between them! ROFL ;)
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 1 year ago
@satojinnthehero Indeed you do see alot of jingoism in US film about WWII. However there are plenty of good programs that do a good job of showing what it was really like (Band of Brothers). Just because we're a bit of a sore winner doesn't mean America doesn't deserve credit where credit is due. It was our warships and bombers that brought japan to its knees. Australia did it's part but it simply lacked the manpower, industry, and resources to fight a conflict of that scale.
KrazyKommieKiller 10 months ago
@KrazyKommieKiller
it was australia that gave japan there first defeat. 250 aussies defeated 6000 japanese. until this time the allies believed the japs were invincible. also without australia as a base the allies would have been crushed in the pacific. america and britain both relied heavily on australia against the japanese.
AlienFirefox 1 day ago
@satojinnthehero WHICH THEY FUCKING ARNT!
AnAngryMosher 7 months ago
@AnAngryMosher true
satojinnthehero 7 months ago
@satojinnthehero
yer americans relied on numbers they were terrible fighters
AlienFirefox 1 day ago
Why do you guys call eachother " chocos" or something? What does it mean? PS When I was 9, I HARRASSED my Mum to buy me these little plastic Aussie troops in a bag. There was a Japanese version too. Of course, the Aussies always won...
Noodles37UK 1 year ago
@Noodles37UK The chocos were disrespected at first by the veteran AIF 'cos they were militia, poorly equipped and trained, sure to melt in the heat of battle like chocolate. hence, "chocos"
muzlinkage 1 year ago
@muzlinkage Clever down to Earth Aussie way of talking!
Noodles37UK 1 year ago
Ahh i saw the japanese soldier slowly move behind him and i was OMG LOOK OUT :/
MisterSam1000 1 year ago
I love how these guys just shrug off the rain.. i'd be kind of pissed if it started rain in a situation like that.
MisterSam1000 1 year ago
How come on every video about war there is paragraph after paragraph of people arguing, most of the people dont know the truth.
xXxXJaRRoDXxXx 1 year ago
they really gotta make some more great movies like kokoda!!!!!! this was just an exelent film but i always thought they could of made it so much better and longer.
HavocProductions1943 1 year ago
kokoda is considered to be the biggest battle between Australian soldiers and soldiers of the Empire of Japan.
species6339 1 year ago
@species6339 well kokoda was a rear guard battle. the biggest battle the aussies and thes japanese fought at was at milne bay which was prior to kokoda
MrMaffew87 1 year ago
kokoda was a nightmare for the australians, but they handled the japanese well
species6339 1 year ago
Great scene. It shows the horror and confusion one undergoes when under sniper fire.
HufflepuffTheGreat 1 year ago
@ozzyguy67 1788 was the landing of the first fleet with captain arthur phillip declaring nsw to be the first british colony in australasia. federation established australia's independence from britain thus joining the states and forming a government which britain recognised. So we've gone from being a colony in 1788 to a nation 1901.
MrMattias87 1 year ago
What's with the political talk going on here?
kevind15 1 year ago
was that chuck norris?
spudinske 1 year ago
why do people always down the Australian military acts in the wars? and they make points of why this is nothing compared to other shit and stuff just get over it people fought hard for their you dont need to go and say they where shit keep these type of opinions to ur selves
minablock 1 year ago
8:48 pwned =D
Dario3933 1 year ago
@Dario3933 well it doesn't look like you have any respect for soldiers in the war.
coreypower177 1 year ago
@coreypower177 it´s just a movie, man chill out dude^^
Dario3933 1 year ago
@Dario3933 lol ok
coreypower177 1 year ago
Fuck america and theri egos
Spocq 1 year ago
@Spocq, Google 'Kapa Kapa Trail', it's to the south of the Kokoda Trail & is ~130-miles long. The 2/126th Infantry, 32nd 'Red Arrow' Inf. Div. crossed it during WWII. They were supposed to provide support to the Aussies on the Kokoda Trail but it was impossible & the Kapa Kapa had worse terrain than the Kokoda, but their crossing was fortunately unopposed. It took them 42-days to cross it. They were the frist white people to cross the Kap Kapa since 1917 so they had to reopen the 'trail'.
christof139 1 year ago
おいおい・・・
日本陸軍の場合、敵陣を発見したら機関銃や
擲弾筒で制圧して、敵の火力を減じてから
の攻撃ですよ・・
最初に敵の陣地を見つけているのに、わざわざ、敵に暴露する行動するかね。
WKTK999 1 year ago
such gritty warfare
rwc20071 2 years ago
muzlinkage
Buna "US Victory" That's Macarthur speak.
Any Australian victory was press released as an Allied Victory.
The Aussies had to show the Yanks how to fight. A US veteran I met said "We would not go into the jungle, the Aussies had to go in before us. They had to show us how to use our weapons"
The US were given the task to take Buna, they couldn't. After taking Gona the Aussies had to help them out. A group of Australian tanks were also used there.
blueycarlton 2 years ago
@blueycarlton
"They had to show us how to use our weapons"? Are you being serious? I believe the rest, but that is way too over the top. The Japanese wouldn't invade the US because there would be "a rifle behind every blade of grass." Know how to use their weapons, oh hell yeah. Know how to fight in a jungle, oh hell no.
Borisbad87 2 years ago
Borisbad87
In 1974 I was travelling with a serving US soldier and we spent the night at his uncle's home in Buffalo N.Y.
When his uncle found out that I was an Australian he opened up. He said "I was in New Guinea in WW2" In front of his nephew he said, quote, "We would not go into the jungle, the Aussies had to go in before us" and
"We did not know how to use our weapons, the Aussies had to show us"
I was shocked, but Boris that is the truth.
blueycarlton 2 years ago
Borisbad87
Macarthur and Blamey were complete fools when it came to understanding the situation on the ground in N.G. Gen. Mac was more interested in his self promotion as a leader than the men under his command.
The untrained 100 or so Aust. militia, av age 18, with a lot of WW1 equipment, no entrenching tools, poor food, no mortars, no heavy machine guns, were thrown at the japs, who were elite troops with victories in China and the Phillipines, on the Kokoda Track
blueycarlton 2 years ago
Borisbad87
The Militia fought a fighting, delaying retreat against overwhelming numbers until they got to Isurava where the remaining men were told to dig in and die. The regular Army who had arrived back from fighting the Germans in the mid east were scrambling up the track to reach them, a 10 day "hike' from Morseby. They reached them in time, a few more hours and they would have been wiped out. Even then the Japs were so numerous that they too had to fall back.
blueycarlton 2 years ago
Borisbad87
The Aussies had delayed the Japs by 2 weeks and the Japs had began to run out of supplies. More Aust. soldiers and supplies were arriving in N.G. and they then pushed the japs back ascross the Owen Stanley Ranges to the northern beaches of Gona, Buna and Sananada.
Here, at Buna, Macarthur would show the Australians how the "superior" US troops could fight. Well it was a disaster. The Generals demanded WW1 style frontal attacks on fortified positions.
blueycarlton 2 years ago
Borisbad87
The US troops there were poorly trained and led. It was not their fault. It was all about Macarthur and his ego.
As I said before, I can only go by what that US veteran said to me, and I believe that was the truth.
blueycarlton 2 years ago
I gotcha, I took the statement out of text. It wasn't that the Americans didn't know how to use their weapons, rather they didn't know how to use them effectively in those situations.
Borisbad87 2 years ago
If anyone knows how to use a gun it's the yanks.
But truth be told, the Americans flew half way around the world and fought tooth and nail in defense of Australia and the pacific theater. And of that we are eternally indebted to them.
Muff0 1 year ago
@Muff0 thats 100% true id hate to say it but if it wernt for the yanks australia would have been a japanese conleny and we wuld have been screwed
ndingo 1 year ago
@ndingo I wouldn't hate to ask for help. I'm proud that we had American support.
RIP all the Aussie and American troops that died in the Kokoda campaign.
TheGeekful 1 year ago
@ndingo Na, man the choco's in the movie were the ones who held off the japs for 3 weeks until reinforcements came (Australian soldiers). I don't think it was the Americans, cuz when the choco's were fighting the Americans were in Australia, having the time of their life, taking Aussie soldiers wifes and girlfriends and stuff like that.
coreypower177 1 year ago
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"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Very true Swanning t- Australia got their arses thrashed by the greeks - thats why there are so many in melbourne. and true america oozes class - the way they were humbeled by that gargantuan superpower Vietnam ....
sleeaustralind 2 years ago
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@sleeaustralind
Sorry slee
rong box!
America certainly oozes tho
muzlinkage 2 years ago
WARNING!!
swanningaround is a prankster!
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Well when the aussies assissted the british attack at bardia, it was well coordinated that the italians panicked chronically that they surrendered to them, over 40,000. The aussies and the brits were highly disciplined than their italian counterparts.
matt2house 2 years ago
muz. The Australians have always mocked other troops. They were very critical of the Soviet troops also. If Australia had come up against the USSR, it would have been an easy win to the Soviets to my mind. The Australians were simply not that good. Other troops such as Indians, New Zealanders and Dutch realize that they were not that good. It is time that Australians stopped boasting and look at what really happened.
swanningaround 2 years ago
You just don't listen,
I simply point out to you what is on the historical record. The Assie infantry don't need my praise, they have enough praise from more qualified people than I. Every national army was blundering at some stage. Time and time again, like poorly led and poorly executed missions by Americans and British, the AIF were involved in massive blunders as you say. But surely you understand that Brigade commanders can't argue with higher ups. High Command decides!
muzlinkage 2 years ago
In all my years of reading military history I have never heard of this. Any opinion of Soviet troops comes from those that came in contact with them.
The Australians were simply not that good?
You are agueing with history. Let me provide those quotes for you again and maybe you will actually learn about what really happened.
You sound off like you are some sort of authority on the subject but you seem to just make things up.
Why abuse your intelligence?
Why abuse mine?
Here's the quotes again..
muzlinkage 2 years ago
* [A] batch of some 50 or 60 Australian prisoners were marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle.[84] —Lieutenant General Erwin Rommel, Commander, German Afrika Korps, Battle of Tobruk, 1941.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
* My God, I wish we had [the] 9th Australian Division with us this morning. —Major General Freddie de Guingand, Chief of Staff, Allied Land-force Headquarters Europe, D-Day, 1944. * We could not have won the battle (El Alamein) in twelve days without the magnificent 9th Australian Division.[85] —Montgomery, writing about the Allied breakthrough in North Africa
muzlinkage 2 years ago
"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
muzlinkage 2 years ago
(regarding Milne Bay)
The effect on the morale of all Allied servicemen in Asia and the Pacific was profound, but especially for other Australians fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Track, U.S. Marines simultaneously fighting the Battle of Guadalcanal and Slim's troops in the 14th Army who had been retreating in Burma.
The battle honour Milne Bay was subsequently awarded to the Australian 9th, 25th, 61st, 2/9th, 2/10th and 2/12th Battalions.[5]
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Tobruk Fighting from fixed positions, the Australian infantry successfully contained and defeated repeated German armoured and infantry attacks on the fortress.[18] After the failure of the British attempts to relieve the fortress in May and June 1941 the 9th Division was successful in gradually improving Tobruk's defences through aggressively raiding Axis positions.[19]
muzlinkage 2 years ago
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This from General William Slim in Burma
"Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we.
Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army;
those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Are you going to continue with your line of made up history?
I one, Just one more bullshit post from you swanny and i just giveup
muzlinkage 2 years ago
One more thing,
You may not know much military history
but you have good taste in music
I'll give you that...
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. Made up history? It is just an opinion like yours is. My opinion just happens to be less biased. I am inpressed with countries that do bold moves. Australia and England for that matter rely on others. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was a bold move, as was the German attack on the USSR. The Americans were also very brave and bold to take on the Japanese at Midway. The Japanese victory at Singapore was also impressive. It is easy to take up defensive positions. We all know that.
swanningaround 2 years ago
I agree with your assessments there
All that I have posted are opinions of those who were on the scene and reported on the Aussie troops. Not mine.
I read history and the opinions you have expressed seem to be at odds with historical fact. In my opinion, good troops have high morale, good nco's, proper planning and cohesion, logistical support, and individual initiative. The last quality is part of the history of the Aus. infantryman.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
You baldly state that Australian troops were simply not that good. I react to that not out of australo- centric defensiveness, but out of pique that you can air such an opinion with no backup and nothing to justify it.
Read up on it,
Bardia to Bengazi, Tobruk, Syria, El Alemein, Milne Bay, Kokoda, Buna - Sanananda - Gona, Finchaven, Lae, Salamua, Markam Valley, Borneo, Tarakan....
All successful actions and irrefutable examples of why you are wrong in your opinion.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
What's happening Swanny?
I want your response to those quotes and why you think all those generals were wrong.
I'd like to be more informed than they are about Aussies not being 'that good'
I would like quotes from reputable sources and not some fuckwit like MacArthur
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. Face it. The Australian experience is a litany of disasters, going back to Greece, Singapore, Crete and Libya. I don't think Australia ever won anything. They were clearly outclassed by Japan, a tiny country compared with huge Australia.
swanningaround 2 years ago
OK, Damn!
You've been taking the piss all along havn't you?
I should have known.
You must laughing yr head off ya bastard!
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. Just stating facts. Australia has not had a good battle record. Look to the USA. It oozes class.
swanningaround 2 years ago
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround
Your dispute is not with me but with written and recorded history.
You don't read
You don't follow rules of debate
You say things like 'gloves off'
or 'face the facts' yet you have demonstrated, at best, a infatuated schoolboy version of military history. At worst, a unneccessary and fruitless effort on my part to provide you with the neccessary kick up the arse for dishonoring our dead.
you are a squealing,wanking, brainless clown.
I wash my hands of you.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround The 7th is sometimes known by the nickname "The Silent Seventh", due to a perception that its achievements were unrecognised, in comparison to the other Australian divisions. The origin of this belief appears to be censorship of the part played by the 7th Division in the fierce fighting in the 1941 Syria-Lebanon campaign.[3]
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround [A] batch of some 50 or 60 Australian prisoners were marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle.[84] —Lieutenant General Erwin Rommel, Commander, German Afrika Korps, Battle of Tobruk, 1941
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround The British Field Marshal Sir William Slim, who had no part in the battle, said "Australian troops had, at Milne Bay in New Guinea, inflicted on the Japanese their first undoubted defeat on land. If the Australians, in conditions very like ours, had done it, so could we. Some of us may forget that of all the Allies it was the Australian soldiers who first broke the spell of the invincibility of the Japanese Army; those of us who were in Burma have cause to remember."
muzlinkage 2 years ago
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@swanningaround (regarding Milne Bay)
The effect on the morale of all Allied servicemen in Asia and the Pacific was profound, but especially for other Australians fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Track, U.S. Marines simultaneously fighting the Battle of Guadalcanal and Slim's troops in the 14th Army who had been retreating in Burma.
The battle honour Milne Bay was subsequently awarded to the Australian 9th, 25th, 61st, 2/9th, 2/10th and 2/12th Battalions.[5]
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround The effect on the morale of all Allied servicemen in Asia and the Pacific was profound, but especially for other Australians fighting a rearguard action on the Kokoda Track, U.S. Marines simultaneously fighting the Battle of Guadalcanal and Slim's troops in the 14th Army who had been retreating in Burma.
The battle honour Milne Bay was subsequently awarded to the Australian 9th, 25th, 61st, 2/9th, 2/10th and 2/12th Battalions.[5]
muzlinkage 2 years ago
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@swanningaround Tobruk
Fighting from fixed positions, the Australian infantry successfully contained and defeated repeated German armoured and infantry attacks on the fortress.[18] After the failure of the British attempts to relieve the fortress in May and June 1941 the 9th Division was successful in gradually improving Tobruk's defences through aggressively raiding Axis positions.[19]
muzlinkage 2 years ago
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@swanningaround * My God, I wish we had [the] 9th Australian Division with us this morning. —Major General Freddie de Guingand, Chief of Staff, Allied Land-force Headquarters Europe, D-Day, 1944.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround We could not have won the battle (El Alamein) in twelve days without the magnificent 9th Australian Division.[85] —Montgomery, writing about the Allied breakthrough in North Africa
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround
Last but not least of all these repeated quotes.
Not the opinion of Commanders in General this time (according to you they are wrong btw)
But a more common source- Wikipedia... "In common with both the 6th and 7th Divisions, the 9th Division was only of only a few Allied army units to serve with distinction in the Middle East and the South West Pacific Area."
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. I really don't know what point you are making. Who cares who served in two specific theaters. What exactly does "served with distinction" mean? It sounds like a whole bunch of meaningless hot air. I'm sure that the 2nd Infantry Division (South Africa) served with distinction also.
swanningaround 2 years ago
@swanningaround What do you mean?
the point I'm making is obvious to anyone who reads this. It's you that has opinions- namely that you state that the2 AIFs record in ww2 shows that they were "not that good" I have shown you not what I think- but what is recorded in history- the opinions of people that are eminently more qualified than you. I have shown you to be a fool to make the comments you have made, stupid, vacuous, and in some cases 180 degrees off official history.
Best shut the fuck up
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. Why don't you quit when you are ahead. It is well known that Australian forces have not performed well. There is plenty of misinformation taught about the "great Australian fighting man". Actually, troops from other countries like France, Poland, Canada and the USA scored monumental victories in WW2. The Australians had their chance in Greece and were quickly beaten off.
swanningaround 2 years ago
@swanningaround What a joke!
Quit while I'm ahead? You have been proven to be wrong.You have made peurile and irrelavent claims. It is not 'well known that Australians forces have not performed well'- it is well known that they DID perform well. Was Rommel misinformed? Is the official history misinformed? Stillwell and Montgomery?
You mentioned their failure in Libya. ????????
The taking of the whole of Cyrenacia a failure?
You simply don't know what you are talking about
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@muzlinkage You talk like you know what happened in Greece. Quickly beaten off? Were you there? Is the history somehow wrong? Did you also know that the 6th Div was opposed by a dozen including the Adolph Hitler Liebstandardt? Did you also know that they were ordered to conduct a fighting withdrawal which they successfully did?
I
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. The taking of the whole of Cyrenacia? The Australians never did that. It was a large multinational force comprising the US, India, Pakistan, Poland, France, South Africa, New Zealand, India, England, Rhodesia, and - a very small contribution from Australia.
swanningaround 2 years ago
@swanningaround
I'm tired of your warped view.
It was a combined force. The Indian 4th Div was taken out of the lineand replaced by Aussie 6th which, with the British 7th Amoured blocking to the west, took Bardia and 40,000 prisoners and tons of material. Commander 7th Amored lent 28 matildas and a few 25 pndrs to the 6th. Any brit Inf were drawn to the west to cut off Cyrinacia and win a significant battle at Beda Fromm on the border. The Aus. 6th then took Tobruk. Dernia and Bengazi.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround Throughout the war Australia niether had the Material or manpower for logistics or armour. This was provided by the Brits for the first half and the Yanks for the second. Aus. never fielded a full engineering company. The Libyan campaign from late '40 to 6th Feb '41 was a victory for the allies. With some elements of 7th Brit armoured, the Aus.6th Div took the whole of Cyrenacia except Beda Fromm. The US weren't there, it would 18 mnts before they entered the war.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround Pakistan didn't enen exist until 1947! The only Freench in the Mid East at that stage were the Vichy forces in Syria, which were to be defeated by the Aus; 7th Div later that year. Sth Africa, New Zealand, Rhodesia entered the campaign with operation crusader, an unsuccessful attempt to relieve the siege of Tobruk, which had been held by the Aus 9th Div, who provided Rommel with his first defeat in the Easter Battles. The Poles first entered the campaign when, with Sth African
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround
forces, relieved the 9th when the siege was finally broken.
The Aus. 6th, 7th and 9th in the first half of '41 provided the Allies with the only good news and everywhere else everyone was on the run.
I'll reapeat something. The 6th took Cyrenacia in 8 weeks- Dec '40 - Feb '41. US weren't EVEN IN nth Africa until operation Torch 2 yrs later! The Poles were still forming up in Britain. Pakistan DIDN'T EVEN EXIST until after the war!
The depths of your ignorance astounds me.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. Wow! If Pakistan did not exist, then how come Pakistanis were killed in WW2? I hate people like you. You try to discredit others by using country names in this fake way. The country name did not exist at the time, but the people did. You are the ignorant one, saying that Australia was so great. Anyway, Rommel defeated the allies in Tobruk, and the South Africans were hold it. I never knew you were a racist as well as being ignorant - not giving the Pakistanis any credit.
swanningaround 2 years ago
@swanningaround Ok
Partition happened in '47
it was a terrible time
Pakistan as a Nation state did not exist before then.
But as you say,
Pakistanis were killed ww2.
I'm well up on this stuff
BTW
patriotism is the refuge of a scoundrel
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround I neversaid that Australia was , as you say,' so great'.
As far as i'm aware, you are not interested in what my opinion is.
But you just make these wild assertions
and I quote you History not
my opinion..
I don't believe in 'The great Australian fighting man' thingy you mentioned.
It's about espirit de corps
Pakistanis were part of the 'Indian 4th division' that I mentioned. The 4th Indian and The 6th Aus later 9th Aus worked together.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. Good. You are sayng sensible stuff now. Look. I'm not saying that the Australians soliders individually were not good. I think most of the problem was they worked under the English. To my mind the Australians made a big mistake. They went to defend England, and the English ordered them to go to Greece. They should have gone to England and stayed there like the English did. The English waited until 1944 to fight. Australia should have done the same, and went into Germany as great victors.
swanningaround 2 years ago
@swanningaround There is an old saying in Australian military folklore- 'We must sacrifice our prestige for the greater good' that is - an Aus. victory in nth Africa was a British victory. Propaganda for the home front, and the brigadiers new it. I suspect it the same from any dominion troops, Punjabis, Sihks, Maoris,
Ghurkas etc. etc
all Empire soldiers. Kokoda, Milne Bay etc were 'Allied victories' but Buna was a 'US victory' to the Aussies it was a matter of swallowing their pride
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@muzlinkage Mooreshead- Cmmdr Aus 9th Div. @ Tobruk
' We stay here. There will be no surrender and no retreat'
What screwed Rommel and confused 90th light commanders was that to the Aus. infantry, there was no such thing as ' no mans land'"No mans land belongs to us."' Agressive reconnaissance patrols in stregnth.
The 9th were relieved by the South Africans and the Poles, who, for one reason or another,
lost it shortly thereafter- much to the dismay of 9th Div soldiers.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround The Aus. high command had no choice in mid 1940. They did what the Brits wanted them to. Had Rommel not been stopped at Tobruk, who knows what might have happened.
Egypt falls, Africa corps reverses the result achieved by the 7th Div in Syria, met with the 6th army at the Cuacasian oilfields, drove east to take the jewel, India- with Japan driving west.
Its not the first time that Churchill blundered. If not for Divisional guns the 6th would have
ceased to exist entirely...
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@muzlinkage The German 6th army that ended up surrendering at Stalingrad
Divisional artilliary 6th Aust. Div.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
muz. The Australians should not have gone anywhere near the stupid adventures like in Greece and Northern Africa. They should have gone straight to England and stayed there like the English did. Libya was always a side show. Rommel had the Afrika Korps there, which was a very small number of men, not really important. The key battle was in France. When they lost, the English quickly withdrew and wisely awaited further developments. Japan soon attacked Pearl Harbor. Problem solved.
swanningaround 2 years ago
Please use British instead of English- maybe I'm pedantic but 51st Highlanders, Enniskillins etc were not English (a grave insult to a Scot!)Australians went where they were told to- until Curtin became prime Minister and defied Churchill. Cairo was almost evacuated- it came that close. The Mid East was of utmost importance to long term strategy and Nth Africa was the door that Rommel failed to force open. If the Brit Ilses were cut off from its Empire and Mid East went to Hitler- GAME OVER!
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@swanningaround I'm not making a point.
I'm showing you to be full of shit.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
As an American and I couldnt tell you how much I admire those men on the Kokoda.
They've shown the world what its like to be true warriors having their backs against the wall.
CaptainWildFire 2 years ago
All these people who praise America for what it did.... Bollocks! I once read that only by July 1944 did the Americans have more troops in the field than the Brits in the European war. In the far east, yes the Americans were the major people of the island hopping. The Commonwealth did there bit. As for me.........my grandfather fought in the Rhodesian Reg, part of the 11th East African div in Burma.
JasperLee23 2 years ago
I find it really sad that some Auzzies on here are defending the AmericansThe long and the short of it surly is-how long were the Brits and the Commonwealth fighting? How long were th fucking yanks fighting? Any country that comes late into the fight can have an influence. If it wasnt for the co'wealth lot the war would have been already over by the time the yanks got involved. In the Pacific who were in Burma, the British! Who were in the Solomons and N.G, mostly NZ's and Auzzies and Borneo too
JasperLee23 2 years ago
well I for one dont fully support that arguement. I too believed that the yanks are utter pansies not to mention that they always carried a bit of cash on them for gambling.
MrMattias87 2 years ago
There is America and then there is the American soldier. Yes they were late on the scene but not all of them were hopeless. Some were very good and not brag artists like they're known for.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
watch?v=oScT3WhCk8w&feature=PlayList&p=A7707B8A31B62B42&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5 watch this mate
you'll be impressed judging by your comment
muzlinkage 2 years ago
All together land and sea
Don't forget Guadalcanal as well
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Some preferred the Thompson for its hitting power- preferably with a drum mag.
Most preferred the owen for the same up close work. It was light 9mm and indestructable
muzlinkage 2 years ago
The end bit is cool how he sticks the bayonet in his head! I feel sorry for tha shit they had 2 go through
saxonsiphon 2 years ago
and the Bren
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Hehe, actually in wwii we took alot of british stuff and improved like making the matilda tank more reliable and making a flame thrower version and cool shit like that. Also the Owen submachine was australian designed and made and was infinetely more reliable than pretty much any other submachine for jungle warfare so much so that the Australian army was still using it in Vietnam
OriginalBlace 2 years ago
what rifle is it called ????
kaitybby17 2 years ago
@kaitybby17
Lee- Enfield, some are still in service today.
2210ethan 2 years ago
Beautiful old Enfield SMLE's. I love those guns, especially this version with the underlug for the bayonet. In fact, these are all cool guns. Old style Bren gun, an old Thompson, all cool. They even show how unreliablle these semi-autos are in this jungle shit. Why is it that right after the Jap sneaks up and slits the guys throat a few bullets hit right behind the guys, but you can't hear a gun shot? They didn't use silencers on rifles, the last time I checked.
justforever96 2 years ago
mmm
tyrantbad 2 years ago
If the Aussies are such great gun manafacturers why is there aks, m16s, berettas etc etc. abound and not aussie made weapons like the own?
tubub 2 years ago
It was just an example of a very reliable and favoured weapon. Very similar to the british sten.
Aussies made a creditable fighter Boomarang (similar to a Grumman) Woomera (twin engined fast bomber that never made it to production) and the Sentinal (comparable to th T- 34 also never made it to production)
Aus. simply didn't have the resources to develop its own weapons on any scale. Boomerang made it to combat by 43. Very maneuverable, good rate of climb, great dive, well armoured but too slow.
muzlinkage 2 years ago
The Wirraway was the Aus T-34.
gnarkillkicksass 2 years ago
Wirraway was a 2 seater, single engine torpedo bomber- obsolete at the out break of war
The sentinals characteristics that made it the aussie t-34 was a welded construction, wide tracks, and good rate of speed combined with medium armour
muzlinkage 2 years ago
@muzlinkage Ah sorry I was thinking the T-6 Texan (Harvard) which the Wirraway was a derivative. Pretty sure the T-34 didn't fly until after the war though.
gnarkillkicksass 2 years ago
Thats right- i was trying to remember the parent model
muzlinkage 2 years ago
mass production and monopoly bythe USA
Though you see alot of those guns in the wrong hands
birthday42 2 years ago
at one point after the fighting they found a japanese document that estimated the australian force fighting at this time to be about 6000 soldiers because of the damage they inflicted. In reality it was the front company of the 39th militia battalion that numbered about 110 men. there is even one account of a japanese soldier in total shock after an aussie bloke ran out of the scrub with half a dozen grenades and blew himself and about 20 japs to bits.
daringalin 2 years ago
the aussie choco and royal soldiers were mostly known during the heat of battle by there swearing you could distinguish them by listeninghow many times they curse if its over 3 times a sentance he was a true blue aussie lol
Jafaur 2 years ago 3
well said lol
2004PontiacGTO 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
ZeonOne, my spelling is as good as it needs to be, and spelling has nothing to do with this video, and i just gave a fact, you dont need to act like such a dick.
JTelli786 2 years ago
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JTelli786 2 years ago
umm wasnt this whole clip from a Movie, the tompson in real life usually never fails, he probably didnt clean it.
JTelli786 2 years ago
in the mud it failed frequently
muzlinkage 2 years ago
Thompson is American. Enfield is British. Australians either purchased from those countries or they reproduced the weapon themselves. Either way, their American and British made fucking 13-year old big mouth.
Read a book fagg.
tubub 2 years ago
the owen was australian and the weapon of choice more reliable than the american and british crap
wassameari 2 years ago
the sten was comparable i believe
muzlinkage 2 years ago
you know, your dumb enough to think this clip is actual footage and can be used as evidence in an argument about reality.
tubub 2 years ago
Go Aussies! We beat those jap bastards to a mushy little pulp. Did you see what that jap did to the soldier at the end? The damn jap was probably slaughtered later on anyway.
SuperShotgun300 2 years ago
werd u get this video?!?!?! i dont see it on divx
AdrianAwesome69 2 years ago