Interesting year-old comments re flourishing in proper parts. If Fillydawg and ZJH89 are still around, they might be interested in knowing that EUSPBA DM Contest Rules stipulate that flourishing may be done only in the forte.
Technically they're not supposed to and only on the forte's of the march, but unfortunately the American style of doing things has permiated the activity starting with SoCal high school bands.
@Fillydawg1 This comment sounds awfully ignorant. You think Southern California high school bands have somehow poisoned the tradition of pipe band drum majors by flourishing during piano forte sections?
@ZJH89 Well.....it's not that ignorant. I'd been a mace DM on both sides of the fence including years ago my own high school band. Fact is high school band directors couldn't care less about British/Scottish tradition when it comes to macework, even and especially those who take on a British/Scottish theme. This nor correct British marching isn't taught at the DM camps either.
@Fillydawg1 Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It's like no one cares about authenticity anymore. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that pipe band drum majors were never meant to flourish.
@ZJH89 Well....any flourishing is supposed to match up with the drummer's flourishing on the forte's of the march. I guess that's what I meant to say,etc. The British Army tradition has very little flourishing I've seen because again, the mace is the symbol of the crown,etc.
@ZJH89 Not so much this video, but I've seen many DM comps at local highland games and they've turned into flourshing contests not unlike at the high school comps, probably because many of those same DM's are entering games competition. They're ignorant of the rules regarding piano and forte,etc. It's all about spinning and tossing to them,etc. Other moves like behind the back were "not done" because of the mace being the symbol of the crown. I'm surprised it's being allowed in a games today.
@Fillydawg1 Well, it's not that they have a total disregard for the rules and traditions of drum majoring - they just haven't adjusted yet to the new style. Of course they're going to accidentally flourish in the wrong section of music; they don't do it to blatantly break the rules on purpose. And if you want to gripe about certain flourishes being "allowed" in a contest, you should talk to the RSPBA about that.
@ZJH89 Oh I know.....they're ignorant about stuff. They just know what their high school DM camps taught em. Now their bringing THAT into local Scottish games comps,etc. As far as a "gripe" I doubt very much the RSPBA would listen, LOL.
@Fillydawg1 You misunderstand the situation. They're not just blindly going into competitions without any sort of guidance. They're getting instruction from world class drum majors, i.e. drum majors that have actually placed in the finals at the World Championships in Glasgow, one of which has actually won the title in 2007. If no one broke the mold and just stuck with tradition for the past 20 years, we would still all just be doing front throws. If you're happy with that idea, that's fine.
@ZJH89 Actually...I've SEEN many blindly go in at my local games, but I digress. As far as "breaking the mold" I guess it depends on how many times you wanna break it? Look at DCI and tell me that's still "drum & bugle corps", eh? I come from the perspective of respect of the mace and the military uniform, rather than turn the mace into a twirling toy. Don't get me wrong though, I've flourished my ass off in the past, but kept it in perspective, if that makes any sense?
@Fillydawg1 Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm not saying that everything they do is great and ground-breaking; they still have a lot to learn about style and efficiency when it comes to competing in this context. And speaking of how many times you can break the mold, you can break it as many times as the RSPBA allows. lol Where is your local games? I take it somewhere in SoCal, so maybe the Costa Mesa or Queen Mary Games?
@ZJH89 Costa Mesa to be honest. I was back in the 80's DM of LAPD and then later the Anderson Royal Canadian Highlanders. Well...actually assitant to Ron Mountain, the walking mustache. (RIP)
@Fillydawg1 Very nice. Maybe we can continue this conversation via private message. I feel like we've spammed this poor guy's video long enough, haha.
@ZJH89 You can SEE the "drumcorps" influence on all the SoCal mace folks really. In marching style especially. Most do American facings and a stiff armswing to the seam of the pants actually. Which puts their swinging arm out of phase with their feet,etc.
Interesting year-old comments re flourishing in proper parts. If Fillydawg and ZJH89 are still around, they might be interested in knowing that EUSPBA DM Contest Rules stipulate that flourishing may be done only in the forte.
DMDavey1949 1 week ago
i didn't know that pipe band drum majors could Flourish
cabobs2000 2 years ago
Technically they're not supposed to and only on the forte's of the march, but unfortunately the American style of doing things has permiated the activity starting with SoCal high school bands.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@Fillydawg1 This comment sounds awfully ignorant. You think Southern California high school bands have somehow poisoned the tradition of pipe band drum majors by flourishing during piano forte sections?
ZJH89 1 year ago
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Dizzyphan 1 year ago
@ZJH89 Well.....it's not that ignorant. I'd been a mace DM on both sides of the fence including years ago my own high school band. Fact is high school band directors couldn't care less about British/Scottish tradition when it comes to macework, even and especially those who take on a British/Scottish theme. This nor correct British marching isn't taught at the DM camps either.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@Fillydawg1 Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It's like no one cares about authenticity anymore. But I wouldn't go as far as to say that pipe band drum majors were never meant to flourish.
ZJH89 1 year ago
@ZJH89 Well....any flourishing is supposed to match up with the drummer's flourishing on the forte's of the march. I guess that's what I meant to say,etc. The British Army tradition has very little flourishing I've seen because again, the mace is the symbol of the crown,etc.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@ZJH89 Not so much this video, but I've seen many DM comps at local highland games and they've turned into flourshing contests not unlike at the high school comps, probably because many of those same DM's are entering games competition. They're ignorant of the rules regarding piano and forte,etc. It's all about spinning and tossing to them,etc. Other moves like behind the back were "not done" because of the mace being the symbol of the crown. I'm surprised it's being allowed in a games today.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@Fillydawg1 Well, it's not that they have a total disregard for the rules and traditions of drum majoring - they just haven't adjusted yet to the new style. Of course they're going to accidentally flourish in the wrong section of music; they don't do it to blatantly break the rules on purpose. And if you want to gripe about certain flourishes being "allowed" in a contest, you should talk to the RSPBA about that.
ZJH89 1 year ago
@ZJH89 Oh I know.....they're ignorant about stuff. They just know what their high school DM camps taught em. Now their bringing THAT into local Scottish games comps,etc. As far as a "gripe" I doubt very much the RSPBA would listen, LOL.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@Fillydawg1 You misunderstand the situation. They're not just blindly going into competitions without any sort of guidance. They're getting instruction from world class drum majors, i.e. drum majors that have actually placed in the finals at the World Championships in Glasgow, one of which has actually won the title in 2007. If no one broke the mold and just stuck with tradition for the past 20 years, we would still all just be doing front throws. If you're happy with that idea, that's fine.
ZJH89 1 year ago
@ZJH89 Actually...I've SEEN many blindly go in at my local games, but I digress. As far as "breaking the mold" I guess it depends on how many times you wanna break it? Look at DCI and tell me that's still "drum & bugle corps", eh? I come from the perspective of respect of the mace and the military uniform, rather than turn the mace into a twirling toy. Don't get me wrong though, I've flourished my ass off in the past, but kept it in perspective, if that makes any sense?
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@Fillydawg1 Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm not saying that everything they do is great and ground-breaking; they still have a lot to learn about style and efficiency when it comes to competing in this context. And speaking of how many times you can break the mold, you can break it as many times as the RSPBA allows. lol Where is your local games? I take it somewhere in SoCal, so maybe the Costa Mesa or Queen Mary Games?
ZJH89 1 year ago
@ZJH89 Costa Mesa to be honest. I was back in the 80's DM of LAPD and then later the Anderson Royal Canadian Highlanders. Well...actually assitant to Ron Mountain, the walking mustache. (RIP)
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@ZJH89 But the same circuit with the same folks in Chino and San Diego also. Never did the Queen Mary. Way after my time.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@Fillydawg1 Very nice. Maybe we can continue this conversation via private message. I feel like we've spammed this poor guy's video long enough, haha.
ZJH89 1 year ago
@ZJH89 There's a PM on here?? My email tho is Panors77@aol.com
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@ZJH89 You can SEE the "drumcorps" influence on all the SoCal mace folks really. In marching style especially. Most do American facings and a stiff armswing to the seam of the pants actually. Which puts their swinging arm out of phase with their feet,etc.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago
@ZJH89 BTW...at least on THIS video they're doing a left handed beat time and their kilts are on straight, LOL.
Fillydawg1 1 year ago