Did God Command Genocide in the Bible? William Lane Craig vs Richard Dawkins

[annoyingdude76]

it's interesting to know that the ''children'' that were ''ordered'' to be killed were not little babies and small children,but old enough to anser for their crimes.We know that because the word for these ''children'' is ''Taph'' while little children are ''owlel'' and babies are ''yanaq'',so God never ordered that they should be killed (exept for 1 samuel 15:3 but that was a misinterpretation by Samuel and not Gods comand,and no the Izrealites didn't kill them nor the woman )

[superspinclaw]

The Reason why God created the flood is becuase people were evil and commiting sins even the babies were gonna grow up to be evil, so stop tryin to prove anything, you probably read a modified bible that was translated 2 seconds ago, GOD IS NOT EVIL.

[JoshBlasy]

there are no morally sufficient reasons for genocide. It is always wrong.

[Shadowlooker12]

It's not surprising Dawkins would kill kids with incurable disease. Most of the ideology behind evolution and theories which spawned from such is derived from Darwin's influences of Francis Dalton and Malthus not to mention his father who all believed in getting rid of less than perfect individuals. Even those like Plato which many hold up high in Atheism believed in killing those who are not "fit" and people should only produce "the best breed" of humanity. This is a perfect demonstration.

[thexjib]

I am an atheist and teach my child that there is no gods... would it be best for us if you murdered my family?

[drcraigvideos]

@thexjib I'm not so sure how that follows, because Christianity doesn't teach that. And even if it did, according to atheism, killing members of your family is no different than killing ants.

[Shadowlooker12]

@thexjib Atheist weren't murdered int eh bible, and only COMBATIVE INDIVIDUALS were. You totally miss the point, and if you really do have kids and such you're an adult, I would expect you to know better than that. Put it this way, suppose you live in a rather ok nation, everything's moderate, the people are better off, the occasional crime here and there you have laws and traditional and everyone is basically ok. Now in your nation a group of individuals a region over start to adopt->

[Shadowlooker12]

@thexjib Extreme behavior, they start murdering people, doing rituals, committing extreme sexual perversions and making traditions that spawn some very evil behavior. This eventually spreads as time go's by. What exactly would you do with them? Tell them to leave or stop would be my first guess, what if they don't? then what? In reality you A.Kick them out B.Forcefully stop them or C.Stop the traditions in some way ie war or driving out of the land. Is this genocide? No.

[Shadowlooker12]

@thexjib This is no different than, Extremist in another country started coming to America and harming individuals and creating a tradition or mentality that spreads which causes this to become a problem in America. Hmm sounds like Terrorist and radical Islamist does it not? To repel such acts, the nation must retaliate by stopping the cause, so what does one do, they go to war or try to stop the cause. Those who do it won't stop without a fight so some die as a result.

[Shadowlooker12]

@thexjib People fail to bring up an argument that has a solid basis. You being an Atheist has nothing to do with what happened in the Bible at all. 1-In those times things were much different 2-Not all people were killed 3-The aim was to stop the evil rites and practices of those people 4-Christianity now or in it's origin never taught people to kill anyone. 5-People were forewarned about what they were doing. I'm still amazed by some responses, it's as if they totally don't think.

[itsallamindgame]

there is plenty of blood letting by the Lord god Satan that most worship and call God, from Gen 2 onward is nothing but killing, Lord Satan is the blood thirsty god not the Creator God of Gen 1, get a clue bibleonians

[enemay]

Oxford is very proud of Prof.Dawkins,for not showing up and being a pussy. I just love it when Atheist fundamentalist talk about moral values;if all governments have the world view of Dawkins, the religious, fantasy and sci-fi authors, cosplayers, bums,disabled, terminally ill, mentally disturbed, poor, ugly, crack whores, crack babies, slacker, maybe even homosexuals and the elderly will be put to death or turned to a slave, because these people would not have objective value. Sounds familiar?

[madenew000]

well explained, Bill!

[sarevor]

Weird, Richard Dawkin's seems to be an apologist for eugenic ideals. Just because a child has an illness and dies LATER IN LIFE (which everyone eventually does anyway).

[salvificblood]

I really do think (and I say this quite sincerely), that Richard Dawkins has lost the plot.

[CJNecros]

The response from the empty chair is quite literally deafening to all right thinking people. Further to that, Dawkins' inconsistency in his thinking exposes him for what he really is; a hater of the idea of a supernatural being rather than someone who has been brought to a conclusion based on evidence. Congrats on the video drcraigvideos, very well put together and enjoyable.

[maxaug]

Great vid man, quite a nice job finding Dawkins whining to PZs audience. The video where Dawkins thinks infanticide can be OK is the "genius of Charles Darwin the uncut interviews" with Peter Singer. The part of interest is around 24 - 28 minutes. That video, by the way, is quite the gold mine of quotations from both of them. Singer is just too bizarre...

[Denish0Sebastian]

Fantastic response to Dawkins's accusations.

[KDN888]

LOL so what about Jericho? And what about the other times that Israel went to war in the name of God? Why would the God of the whole universe choose one tiny tribe of people to be his own? The rest of humanity too much for him?

"you can make sense of this through a divine command morality" That's the whole problem. Craig presupposes God's existence, sees the problem, and makes sense of it by bringing the two together. Why can't we just see the world for what it is? Fucked up.

[drcraigvideos]

@KDN888 What would you care what the world is if all you're doing is presupposing how f'd up it is? If someone rapes your mother, is your only response a shrug and a mere "oh, well, the world is f'd up anyway" comment?

[rawrthedinosaur1]

@drcraigvideos And what would the Christian reaction be to rape? The same as it is genocide - she probably deserved it, and if she didn't she'll find peace in the afterlife? Marvellous. And then force her to have the baby if she's left pregnant no doubt.

And for the record, just because empathy is an arbitrary function of our evolution (the point Dawkins is really making by the way), doesn't mean it's not real.

[drcraigvideos]

@rawrthedinosaur1 The Chrsitian has an objective standard for condemning rape. Atheists don't. And God never commanded genocide (or rape) in the Bible. Well, unless you're reading the "New Atheist Version" of the Bible. I never said that empathy wasn't real, but why would that matter. If atheism is true, it wouldn't matter if someone committed genocide, rape, torture, etc. or not.

[Fleefles]

@rawrthedinosaur1 Is a doctor who refuses to amputate the arm or leg of someone with body integrity disorder "forcing" them to have limbs? Also, were the Spartans wrong to kill their weak and unwanted infants? Should they have been "forced" to care for them?

[MyMomSaysSo]

yes, good old god did command it. how can a brilliant scientist like dawkins be called a coward? it's the religious people who can't face up to reality as the smartest people in the world have

[drcraigvideos]

@MyMomSaysSo Uh, yeah, Dawkins is not a coward even though he said he'll debate anybody no matter who they are or what they believe. Nothing gets passed you, Mommasboy.

[Birdieupon]

@MyMomSaysSo

" how can a brilliant scientist like dawkins be called a coward?"

Because he is a coward, lol! No amount of fan-boy adoration and worship on your part will change that.

Incidentally, Dawkins' science is irrelevant, because he never makes a scientific argument for his atheism. His arguments are philosophical, which places him on Craig's turf, and he hasn't the guts to check over his logic.

[NephilimFree]

Favorited! Well done.

[imkluu]

Good video.

[Dmlaney]

Dawkins is a cry baby and a coward. He dodged the debate with Craig then cried about the outcome. Just because someone has cancer does not mean we should kill them (especially against their will)... even if the disease is incurable and terminal they can still enjoy the life they have. I am sure Dawkins wants to kill those children because they cannot object to their deaths (Dawkins is a sick man). Most people would realize that we are all going to die but that does not justify suicide or murder.

[TGSHokuto]

Really good video

[tjobv]

The New Atheist Movement is a blessing from God.

In a matter of years from now, it will be Christian Theists who will occupy the balance of Logic, Reason and Science, and it will be Christian Theists who will be the real Free Thinkers.

The New Atheism is purifying Christians worldwide, and challenging them to go on a second journey, that will lead to a Intellectual Christian Theism that can stand ground against any attack, wether it be Atheist, Muslims, or Secular Perversity.

[dtadeo2006]

@tjobv "The New Atheism is purifying Christians worldwide" yes this is the way i see it too. but along the way a lot of kids will also turn away from God.

[BernieLomaxisalive]

Yes, the Canaanites were evil and they did sacrifice children. But why did God have to command genocide on them, couldn't he of just appeared to them and told them what they were doing was wrong and had to stop? Why the unnecessary genocide?

[drcraigvideos]

@BernieLomaxisalive Genocide? What genocide? It'd help if you watch the video. And if you actually understood the context (let alone read the Bible), the Canaanites knew they were not supposed to be in the promised land. They had 400 years to leave, genius. There was no dead body of a child or woman found. In fact, some Canaanites HELPED the Israelites. You don't know what your'e talking about, do you?

[lildice200]

@drcraigvideos Genesis 6:7/17 7:4/21-23

[drcraigvideos]

@lildice200 Uhm, okay, the story of Noah's ark where God wipes out evil people who are not innocent. Thank you for quoting some verses that has nothing to do with genocide.

[lildice200]

@drcraigvideos Exodus 33:3 3:20

Numbers

31:14

33:50-56

Deuteronomy 3:3-6

Samuel I

15:2-3

[drcraigvideos]

@lildice200 Uh, okay the first Exodus passage, says "I might" destroy you (depending ont he translation). The second one speaks of God striking Egypt with miracles. The first Numbers verse speaks of Moses being angry. The second Numbers passage speaks of DRIVING OUT the Canaanites. Furthermore, Craig dealt with this passage above. The Samuel passage was also dealt with above. There are no genocides in these passages, genius. Throw the "New Atheist Version" of the Bible away please.

[vocalcomposer]

@drcraigvideos Why weren't they supposed to be in Palestine? Didn't they have a right to be there? The definition of 'genocide' is "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation." Deut. 20 gives a pretty clear command for that: "... you shall not leave alive anything that breathes... utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the LORD your God has commanded you" (NASB).

[drcraigvideos]

@vocalcomposer They were in Egypt. And if you define that as genocide then what happened in Deut. 20 was not genocide. The Hittities, Amorites, Canaanites, etc. actually many of them ended up allying themselves with the Israelites. The Israelites were not to harm anybody who helped them. Read the Bible withot using the New Atheist Version.

[vocalcomposer]

@drcraigvideos New Atheist Version. Haven't read it. I'm a fan of the ESV, personally. It reads better and is fairly faithful translation. I'm reading the bible literally, as you claim to be doing. THAT IS WHAT GOD COMMANDED THE ISRAELITES: TO KILL EVERYONE, WHICH INCLUDED WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Of course, later on god allowed the soldiers to take and (we can assume) rape the women. How about you put down your NIV (or whichever version you prefer) and pick up a history book, as I did.

[drcraigvideos]

@vocalcomposer The only time we should take the Bible literally is if you check the context. For instance, when Jesus says he's the doorway to life that doesn't mean he has a belly button for a doorknob. Futhermore, there was no command to rape women. By your own admission you ASSUMED something that wasn't there. Telling men, "hey, there's women in this place pick one of them as your wife" isn't rape. Drop the pseudo-history and embrace reality.

[TheColaGoodfellow]

@vocalcomposer

Ultimately, no man has a right to judge God. You eat animals, God eats life in general.

If God is bad for eating your children, stop eating innocent lamb or atleast start calling those who do immoral rather than picking on the bible alone because you have an axe to grind with it.

[TheColaGoodfellow]

@vocalcomposer

ANd you know what? Unliek you, God has a right to eat life in general. He created it for crying out loud. But you created none of the life you eat.

And don't bring the whole "Animals are not intelligent" excuse. Babies don't know much either, that just implies innocence.

[TheSeanWilson]

@BernieLomaxisalive God actually tried that approach one time and we just crucified him.

[Flash13Magic]

richard dawkins 'opinion' on rape-it is wrong,your bibles?well there are many instructions to rape in it and then there is the rule whereby a woman must marry the person who raped her,LOVELY!also where are these other atheist who have the same view as richard dawkins who have committed the worst atrocities of all time,also you do realize you can't do anything in the name of atheism in the way you can for a religion?

[drcraigvideos]

@Flash13Magic There is no instruction to rape in the Bible. Drop the "New Atheist Version" of the Bible, please. Also, why make an exception about those who killed in the name of atheism? If you actually think no one is motivated by atheism to murder people, then you have no grasp of reality at all.

[Flash13Magic]

@drcraigvideos you can't murder in the name of atheism.give me a list of ten people who killed in the name of atheism,that is they declared the murders they committed were done for atheism,and i will double it with a list of people murdering in the name of your religion.there is no instruction but there are passages describing how they murdered and raped people because 'the lord' commanded them to,nothing to say about rape victims being forced to marry the people who raped them?

[drcraigvideos]

@Flash13Magic Uh, yeah, those secular states who wanted to eradicate religion didn't kill anybody in the name of no-religion or no-God or naturalism or secular state. Secular humanism had nothing to do with it, even though that's what they wanted. Honestly, you have to drop the Sam Harris and Bill Maher crap in the trash. BTW, you've just conceded that you were wrong about the Bible telling people to rape, why don't you start admitting that people have killed in the name of atheism?

[Flash13Magic]

@drcraigvideos you can't murder in the name of something that doesn't exist.atheism is only a word to describe people free from the poison of religion,if there was no mythology in the world there would be no word to describe people who don't blindly believe in that mythology.you can't murder in the 'name' of atheism and it has never been done,the secular states you meekly refer to wanted the people to worship the ruler as a god like figure which is completely different.

[drcraigvideos]

@Flash13Magic "you can't murder in the name of something that doesn't exist." Uh, yeah, so I guess atheism doesn't exist. Oh, and of course those who kill in secular states are doing so in a relligious way (ie" worship the ruler as a god"), so even in an atheistic country, they're still religious, huh? Boy, you sure aren't using a double-standard. LOL! Anyway, please throw the "Sam Harris" and "Bill Maher" stuff in the trash. I've read that stuff before.

[Flash13Magic]

@drcraigvideos atheism doesn't exist really,it's only a word,if people weren't blindly believing in idiotic dogmatic religions for which there is no evidence,the word atheism wouldn't exist.any 'atheist' country(there is no such thing) where the population is forced to worship the ruler is a religious like country and has nothing to do atheists,how is not agreeing with people being forced to worship a ruler as a god and seeing religion as moronic a double standard?

[drcraigvideos]

@Flash13Magic Uh, yeah, atheism doesn't exist except that it's a word - which is to say, it does exist. You're very smart.

[TheMessiersAndromeda]

@drcraigvideos

I quote the late and brilliant Christopher Hitchens: "The atheist proposition is simple. It cannot be said that there is no God. What can be said, however, is that there is no reason think that there is one." Atheism has nothing to do with morality. People kill because they are bad people. Because they are psychopaths. Atheism offers no moral guidance whatsoever and depends entirely on the individual. Thankfully, most people are good people. I'd advise you to calm down.

[drcraigvideos]

@TheMessiersAndromeda I'll quote Craig's debate with Hitchens where Hitchens had no defense of his definition of atheism: watch?v=AHIIjfxr4o0

[MaxxTheMerciless]

@Flash13Magic It is a false premise to believe that the atheist regimes did not murder in the name of atheism, but they did so purely on its behalf. Atheism is a two-fold preposition. It insists that there both is no God, and then, in order to justify the acts that they do and the authority they hold, that Man is God, that they can determine what is moral and what isn't. Hence, the Soviet purges and executions. The Chinese purges. Pol Pot. Hitler, and so on. Doesteyevsky was right.

[stephjh2006]

@Flash13Magic the rape thing again... when will atheists stop acting like narrow minded biggots???

[Badwolf182]

@Flash13Magic Lets see: All these psychopaths were either humanists/ evolutionist, atheists or all of them: Mao Stalin Marx Idi Amin Pol Pot Bush et al Cheney etc etc Peter Singer Dawkins Darwin The list is HUGE ALL of the murders/genocide in the past have had ppl who are GodLESS so clearly lacking morality and conscience

[Yomay]

@Flash13Magic Please give references.

Anyway, here is what you fail to grasp:

a) If God commands you to kill someone, that is your moral duty - probably, that person was deserving God's judgement and so God uses you as his device to do that.

b) You cannot on your own initiative kill someone in God's name. Even if you say that it is in God's name, it is in your own, if God did not order it. If he did order it, it was your duty to do it, but if he did not, it is nothing else than murder.

[Flash13Magic]

@Yomay i am shocked and horrified that there are people like you present in society, ''If God commands you to kill someone, that is your moral duty''-you are disgusting and one of the many by products of a poisonous religious up bringing.i can only hope that you don't have children or if you do they have better role models at school or in college to educate them properly.

[Fleefles]

@Flash13Magic I wonder what you'd think of my grandfather. He was in WWII and when commanded to by his superiors, opened fire on the enemy and killed people. What a terrible immoral monster he was. :<

[Yomay]

@Flash13Magic People may not murder for atheism - I believe they have, but that's not the point, the point is: what happens when you don't follow God? People who follow God don't murder on their own initiative, while history has shown that some who profess to be Christians (but are not) and some that are atheists, have a much more violent record. People killed by atheist regimes FAR (FAR!) outnumber those killed in crusades and such (which are waged by people who are not real Christians anyway)

[lildice200]

@drcraigvideos No, there is rape in the Bible. Although, it uses what seems to be a strong euphemism of 'you may take them for your self', particularly in the context of female POW's and virgins, which is said countless times. It also allows fathers selling their daughters as wives, with no mention of consent with the daughter. Also, Lot, a righteous man, was willing to give his virgin daughters up for rape towards the whole town of Sodom.

[drcraigvideos]

@lildice200 So, you admit that rape was not spelt out but it is inferred anyway? Honestly, it's time to dump the New Atheist Version of the Bible away and read the context.

[gdsm93]

@drcraigvideos So you're saying that the lack of belief in a deity can influence someone commit atrocities? You obviously have no grasp of reality whatsoever, as of my knowledge no human being has "killed in the name of atheism", or non-belief. Name me one person who has admitted to committing a crime because he "didn't believe in a God". Stalin? No. He killed because he was, for the lack of a better term, arguably a psychopath, as any man who commands millions of his own people to be killed...

[drcraigvideos]

@gdsm93 Well, atheism is NOT a lack of belief in God. Get your facts straight: watch?v=XcuSMQVq5dM. And the fact that you're using the same old tired "Sam Harris" line that it's impossible to kill in the name of non-belief shows your lack of originality. Stalin wanted a secular state and so he got one... at the expense of human lives. Why not face the truth?

[girtkaz]

@gdsm93 Stalin was not killing - tens of millions of his atheist fallowers did kill. more than 100000 of Russias priethood were kill because they refused to denounce their belief. So it was killing believers in the name of "non-belief". I would call your non belief - a belief in non belief - because you do believe it is the right possition. Face it atheism is atleast as bad as religion with no constrains and no bases for OBJECTIVE morality.

[Liodegrance]

@Flash13Magic The Bible doesn't say a woman must marry a rapist: it says that if a man coerces a woman into having sex with him he must marry her, and may not subsequently sue for divorce. (There is no prohibition on her divorcing Him). This law is intended to protect vulnerable women.

[blueblue1891]

If there was no possibility for evil, none of the atheists would be around, so atheists should be happy God allows them to be evil, especially the evil nerd Dawkins.

Also the texts are not very hard, taking out evil people is not evil, it is just.

Executing a murderer is justice, it's not evil, only these moral relativists would be so dumb to think that taking out evil is evil when it is in reality just.

Romans 3:5-6 read...

[KuriapXia]

It seems that Dawkins is also a big fan of Herbert Spencer! Yes the man that introduced the sickening social Darwinism.... A man who believed that the weak and less intelligent, should be killed oh and he was a racist.

[drcraigvideos]

@jcchurch Uh, yeah, even though I said there was no genocide in the Bible, and Craig said there was no genocide in the Bible, I guess that automatically means we condone it. You are a very smart person.

[Flash13Magic]

@drcraigvideos Craig said ''he didn't wrong the adults because they were deserving of capital punishment,he didn't wrong the children because god has the right to take their lives in fact they were the recipients of a great good''-that's not an advocation of genocide?

[drcraigvideos]

@Flash13Magic Captial punishment and greater good is genocide? Is giving to the poor genocide too then? How many bodies of woman and children were found after the campaign against the Canaanites? Zero, genius. If you actually read the Bible, you'd see that some Canaanites actually helped the Israelites. Uhm, that's some genocide, dude. But why would an atheist have a problem with genocide when it's just killing off chunks of matter?

[archangelcats]

@drcraigvideos

these people really don't read the bible. They just googled the necessary lines that attack Christianity and don't bother reading even the next sentence from that particular line. Looking at all the debates Craig has made, just about everyone complain why God is this and that. Not knowing how good and blessed their lives are. Its the people who have nothing look to God...the irony of it all

[HeReformedMe]

ohhh the irony. Dawkins, the fella who couldn't muster the courage to show up and confront Craig, has the nerve to be upset at others for not protesting....lollllll

[ruthamyallan1]

William Lane Craig is brilliant at what he does. The only thing that troubles me somewhat is that terrible things are being visited by the Anglo-American empire on adults and children all over the world. What judgement awaits us, who perpetrate such evil or who stand aside, and fail to protest this it? In fact, I think the time of the gentiles is being fulfilled, as we ourselves move inexorably into the technocracy engineered by devils. Our churches have been infiltrated thoroughly too.

[finxoner]

that picture of Dawkins at 4:06 is hilarioussss, where did you get it?

[drcraigvideos]

@finxoner It was made by birdieupon, I believe.

[karozans]

@TheDyingApologist

I didn't call them idiots. I called them fools.

Even if they are smart, they can be "a person lacking in judgment or prudence".

I doubt you'll believe this, but once a guy I knew locked himself out of his house. He spent about an hour trying to bang a coat hanger flat with a rock so he could pick the lock.

I saw what he was doing and went over to help him.

I used my Safeway card and opened the door in about 15 seconds.

He was a mechanical engineer.

[GospelHouseKat]

Richard Dawkins: the word "reptilian" comes to mind ... something very slithery about him.

[xtrashed]

Excellent. They need to show William Lane Craig's debates and talks in every single seminary, apologetics class out there.

[StrehDawg]

another excellent video, thanks.

[aranflewen]

mr. hitchens is one of his fans..hehehe

[archangelcats]

Wouldn't it be great that dawkins do a St. Paul? Persecuted the Christians and suddenly had divine intervention and became Christianity's greatest apostle for the gentiles?

[karozans]

I don't think there is a word that encompasses the magnitude of stupidity and absurdity that comes from atheism.

In atheism there is no such thing as good or evil.

So to the atheist, anything that Christians (or any group) has done in the past is neither good nor evil.

The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Salem witch trials , slavery , etc, etc , etc...

Yet atheists bring up these subjects in every conversation.

LOL.

What a bunch of fools.

Richard Dawkins is the biggest fool of all.

[THEEVANTHETOON]

@karozans

Biologically, genocide is simply the displacement of structures of bio-matter which occur all the time in nature. Furthermore, this decayed matter is recycled, it feeds detritivores and scavengers, and it fertilizes the soil, so genocide is actually helpful to the environment and even the well-being of our own species on a naturalistic worldview. Same with natural disasters, terrorists attacks, and other atrocities which any sane human being would find morally disgusting.

[Requiemxtoxinnocence]

The history ran an episode on the slaughter of the canaanites called EPIC SLAUGHTER, and the reason they gave for not letting anyone live was to send a message to the other tribal communities and that the early israelites were an invading force. This is coming strictly from an anthropological view, and many other tribes in other civilizations did the same things for their gods. In short primitive civilizations were not civil.

[ada2step]

I look at it this way it would have been more cruel to kill the parents and leave the children by themselves and babies automatically go to heaven. Also I would like to ask these atheist if they are against abortion which is torcherious to the baby.Infact there was a women that servived abortion and she has major problems now.

[TheSeanWilson]

I think Dawkins' followers might object to being called "mindless minions". They prefer "freethinkers".

[drcraigvideos]

@TheSeanWilson That's an oxymoron. How can an atheist be a "freethinker"? Even Sam Harris said man has no free-will. If there's no free-will, there's no freedom, let alone freedom of thinking since your mind is only matter and motion dictated by the laws of physics.

[DebateCreation]

@drcraigvideos Amazing...Really. So because one man says his opinion it must be true and Representative of the whole. And because our mind is made up of matter some how we cant have free will. What a logic. Here let me try. There is a christian and he thinks its okay to have sex with children, because the bible does not say its wrong. There for the there is no such thing as the sun. Wow. I like this game.

[drcraigvideos]

@DebateCreation Amazing... Really. I never assumed that since one atheist said something it's true for ALL atheists. I used Sam Harris to make a point that he would agree that atheists don't have free-will. And he's right. On the other hand, barring anybodies opinion, I think you're shallow. I don't care who agrees with me or not, you really are.

[GospelHouseKat]

@DebateCreation This is fun!

[allan3141]

@drcraigvideos God, did even Sam Harris say that?

[drcraigvideos]

@allan3141 I believ he said it in his book The Moral Landscape.

[TheSeanWilson]

@drcraigvideos That's what I was getting at :)

[drcraigvideos]

@TheSeanWilson Yeah, I know. I wasn't criticizing your or anything like that.

[BernieLomaxisalive]

@drcraigvideos Man is free to do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills. Determinism and free will can coexist.

[ihroch]

Although I like Craig, I think he's being a bit inconsistent here (correct me if I'm wrong). First he says there is no reason to believe God commanded killing of any children and than he proceeds to justify God's doing so because all children go to heaven...

[drcraigvideos]

@ihroch "First he says there is no reason to believe God commanded killing of any children..." No. Craig says there's no historical record of any women or children found killed since the Israelites campaign against the Israelites. However, Craig says God has the right to take the life of the child (after all, He created life).

[JezdziecBezNicka]

"God used Israel as his means of bringing judgement" to the vile Canaanites - and that was fine.

But when Allah uses Boeings as means of bringing judgement to the vile Americans - it's terrorism. WTF?

[drcraigvideos]

@JezdziecBezNicka Islam and Christianity aren't the same, genius. When blind and mindless and dead and amoral nature leads atheists (like Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Stalin, etc.) to slaughter and rape and murder millions of people, well, that's a big enough body count to make Al Qaeda flinch. It's a shame that atheists like Richard Dawkins thinks you're only killing and raping chunks of matter. Mother nature isn't exactly a blessing, is it?

[rawrthedinosaur1]

@drcraigvideos You think atheists see people as 'chunks of matter'? Seriously? If it were proven that this is really is a godless world we find ourselves in, is that how you would see and treat other people?  Because that's bone-chilling.

[drcraigvideos]

@rawrthedinosaur1 Yes, I do think that atheists see people as chunks of matter. If you actually watched the video, you'd see that atheists like Dawkins affirms that. Yes, it is chilling, isn't it?

[rawrthedinosaur1]

@drcraigvideos Dawkin's acknowledgement of the arbitrariness of our genetic make-up -indeed, of our very existence as a species - is not designed to reduce us to the mere 'chunks of matter' that make us up. The last thing anybody wants is a merciless Darwinian world. Rather, as he has said time and again: it is precisely by acknowledging our origins, our evolutionary past, that we can move beyond our ape-like selves, bettering both the way we think and the way we treat each other .

[oneandonlyrisenangel]

@JezdziecBezNicka I would concede that there really isn't any evidence that the Muslim faith is true. So, if they are killing people due to an illusion, I would locate the fault there.

[allan3141]

@JezdziecBezNicka facepalm

[Nazam44]

So, does William Craig believes in original sin?

[drcraigvideos]

@Nazam44 Can you please stay on topic of the video?

[ThickShadescom]

Faved. 14:00 LoL!!

Dr. Craig is the apologetics of the century. :)

[rueven54]

Craigs words are disgusting. Those same lines of logic he outlined are the same lines of logic that any religioun uses to conquer other civilizations. It's laughable.

[drcraigvideos]

@rueven54 You really don't know what happened in Canaan do you? It wasn't a conquest. The Canaanites were NOT hunted down or systematically killed. Try reading the Bible in context. Drop the "Richard Dawkins Version" and read the Bible for what it is.

[Raveheart90]

@drcraigvideos You know, isn't it possible that the historical records of the Bible suffer from revision? As in the victors choose how history would be written?

Just wondering what the Canaanite's side of the story is.

[drcraigvideos]

@Raveheart90 The Bible didn't suffer from revision. That's an Ehrman error for you. There's so many copies of the Bible we can see if there were any revision and we find out there aren't any. The Bible is incredibly consistent. As far as the Canaanites go, they lost... and many of them joined the Israelites.

[Raveheart90]

@drcraigvideos That's the thing, though. So many of those copies of the Bible are either recent literary translations or modern paraphrasing. It doesn't discredit the possibility that the original text was a work of revision. A better defense would be to show whether other historical texts from the same time period(s) were consistent with the Biblical accounts. And even those might suffer from revision.

[drcraigvideos]

@Raveheart90 The copies weren't recent or modern paraphrasing, genius. They were less than 50 years from the death/resurrection of Jesus.

[THEEVANTHETOON]

@Raveheart90

We have over 25,000 NT manuscripts, most of which date within 300 years of the originals, that agree with each other 99% of the time. This doesn't include the writings of the early Church fathers, minuscules, and the like. Our next closest the Iliad, with 643 manuscripts written at least 400 years after the originals that agree about 95% of the time. Enough said.

[archangelcats]

@Raveheart90

The bible is if not the most consistent book ever made. Remember the dead sea scrolls? It was found in 1947, thought to be lost for 2000 years. When they found the parchments, they found out that the old testament we have today and what the scrolls were written over 2000 years ago were 99% identical. The only things that were different were mostly the periods, commas, spelling errors. And the main subject of the stories were consistent through and through. God is a genius!

[Fernie66]

Amazing post! I love how you collected all these different clips exposing Dawkins' hypocrisy into one concise video. How Dawkins can make any moral judgements when he himself states that in his atheistic worldview there ultimately is no evil and no good but just blind pitiless indifference is foolishness. May God bless Dawkins and save him, as well as those who follow his teachings. God bless all of you.

[kubrox91]

Do not care what these "new" atheists say about me being delusional, I've made a prudent judgement after investigation that this is true and I will get down on my knees this Christmas for Jesus. copy and paste if you love Jesus and are not afraid of Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens and all their followers.

[Fett4]

Bravo! Dawkins is also responsible for some of the highly destructive natures of corporations today. The executive of Enron got his moral justifications for blacking out California and destroying uncountable lives from Dawkins' "The Selfish Gene". People need to call Dawkins more on his hypocritical moral superiority.

[theist77]

Excellent - God is glorious!!!

[briel89]

alguien que lo traduzca por favor!!

[IDH77]

(Joshua 6:21) And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

God’s command to destroy Jericho was time and place specific due to their own evil.

Abortion happens every day!

[allan3141]

Does any one know if or when the Atkins debate will be available?

[Intellectual4God]

Fantastic....

[oneandonlyrisenangel]

LOL He's so willing to go out of his way to excuse himself from a debate with Craig that he even casted shame on his university.

[bigun89]

If it took the Canaanites ~400 years to get that way, I feel a little safe to know the US is only ~200.

[H0tkebab]

Wow, talk about double standards.

[bvsandman]

Dawkins should really stick to his own field of biology. He really needs to just stop commenting on WLC because he's being dishonest to his followers (Dawkins). He lets out one little claim and WLC refutes it with ease and then Dawkins, a NON Believer attempt to break WLC by using bible verses. SAY WHAT? WLC obviously reads his bible and knows it inside and out, there's a truth for everything, and Dawkins you speak none of that truth.

[H0tkebab]

Was there someone booing in the audience? It was probably Dawkins.

[THEEVANTHETOON]

Here's basically how every "evil God" conversation goes:

Atheist: The Bible is the most immoral book ever written (Copy and paste Bible verses)

Me: Sure, but I don't see how you conclude God is evil from the verses, as He did not approve of their actions.

A: I can't believe you are trying to justify the actions of your evil God.

M: Have you even read the Bible? I'm not justifying anything. I'm simply pointing out that...

A: Shut up! Your God is evil (never responds again).

[Bigjon145]

@THEEVANTHETOON It's funny because whenever I talk to atheists about that, that's EXACTLY what they do.

[MrHervik]

@THEEVANTHETOON hahaha!!

[karozans]

@THEEVANTHETOON

It looks like you have had better conversations with atheists than I have had.

[MrHav1k]

Dawkins pwned again!

[BachScholar]

It's extremely ironic that the types of people who use these kinds of arguments (i.e. God supports genocide, Christians are hypocrites, etc) are almost always the strongest advocates of killing babies through abortion. Worship the earth, save the environment, don't dare chop down a tree, but let's kill a few million unborn babies. Can you say "hypocrite"?

[IDH77]

@BachScholar Amen

[lexidart]

Dawkins' response to Craigs statements here really drive home just how ignorant and idealogically driven Dawkins truly is. Richard Dawkins has simply lost all intellectual credibility among honest people who can fairly look at both sides.

[johnw21]

excelent video

[keatris]

oops! I meant Joshua 11:14

[allan3141]

Richard Dawkins dislikes this video.

[MandoMohan]

DrCraig Is DEAD Wrong! He should update his bible to the 1611 AV to help avoid spouting refutable nonsense about God spearing the women and children.

Deuteronomy 20:16-17

But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

[drcraigvideos]

@MandoMohan This was the actual Bible verse Craig was responding to, genius. The question was about Dawkins' article in the guardian. Now, if you actually knew what happened in that verse, you'd know it wasn't genocide. How many women and children were killed in Canaan during the Israelites campaign against them? The answer is zero, doofus. In fact, there was a Canaanite woman who HELPED the Israelites.

[keatris]

The Israelites carried off for themselves all the plunder and livestock of these cities, but all the people they put to the sword until they completely destroyed them, not sparing anyone that breathed. Joshua 11:14 (NIV)

Now, that might not say "women and children" specifically, but it does seem obvious. Am I missing something?

[drcraigvideos]

@keatris Yes. The people who died were combatants. Killing combatants isn't genocide, genius.

[keatris]

@drcraigvideos

How many cities are filled 100% with combatants?

And everyone in them was killed.

What am I missing?

[drcraigvideos]

@keatris The issue is who ended up dead? It wasn't the children. It wasn't the women. It was combatants. You're missing your pills again because your ADD is showing.

[keatris]

@drcraigvideos

PS: I'm no genius, or I wouldn't need to ask so many questions.

[drcraigvideos]

@keatris You're darn right you're not a genius. And geniuses ask good questions that are not incredibly repetitive. Questioners should actually listen to the answer.

[KuriapXia]

Here's my philosophy of the day:

Dawkins is a joke, but nobody's laughing.

:P

[theemurf]

Image at 14:01 is perfect!

I think Dawkins has lost all intellectual credibility among ANYONE who is remotely aware of this controversial speaking tour. But how to convince his loyal followers of this, a mighty religious sect indeed, and they will not take lightly or readily the demise of their god, for if they do, they are one step closer to theism, and I pray, salvation...

[CoolBeansReview]

@theemurf  agree wholeheartedly. well spoken

[GospelHouseKat]

@theemurf Dawkins crawls out from under his rock long enough to put words in the mouth of an opponent whom he refuses to openly debate. Yet his mindless minions continue to think he is some kind of atheistic SAINT. His behavior is reprehensible, unconscionable -- but his followers will certainly continue their holy adoration ....

[theemurf]

@GospelHouseKat Well you're forgetting 1 of the tenants of the gospel of Dawkins, that is, stating something is unconscionable invokes a moral framework which naturalistically does not exist and therefore a delusion. Unless of course someone makes a fool of the mighty Dawkins, in which case you can invoke such a standard! He does it all the time & he's clearly morally superior to genocide advocates, so when he declares infanticide as not immoral he has morally sufficient reasons.

[GospelHouseKat]

@theemurf And somehow Dawkins, in his superior way, doesn't notice or mind the moral black hole he is perpetually stuck in ...

[RageicaNiels]

Craig you´re my hero! :D

[Birdieupon]

Bravo! Knocked him right on the head! Cowardly Dawkins.