And IQ test measures the accuracy with which you process information, make connections, and hold information for a short-term period of time. I have asperger's syndrome, and my IQ is just over 140. I qualify for a number of scholarships because of it.
Hey, you can say what you want about IQ tests, but you'll be taking tests until you're out of college. If my IQ test says I'm a genius, and I can get scholarships because of it, I don't care if it's accurate or not. :I
I seem to be getting a different score every time I get myself tested. Because of my autism I'm very dependent on circumstances outside myself. For factors as sounds, sights, happenings in my personal life have a tremendous effect on how I'm able to concentrate.
It's also so ridicilously superficial to think taking a test on certain areas can be comprehensive for every element of the person's intelligence.
For an aspergian, the IQ test is bullshit unless it covers the few subject areas you're interested in. Couldn't find an IQ test on history or aviation, so I let my degree with honors and my work history as a naval engineering officer, flight instructor, cargo pilot, and stockbroker speak for me. I did pass the AP history exam, but didn't get the implied college credit for it.
I had an IQ test and it came back 70.4 but I was in the midst of a panic attack because they wouldn't let me go home and would not even give me an estimite of when I would be able too.
I am thinking that my social IQ has been widen and not narrow but that was over 2 years ago.
Professor told me that gray matters blocked connection and that it get thinner each year. A recent article was released saying that scientists weren't surprise that gray matter blocking was the cause for lower intelligence.
If that was the case, I could be getting more intelligent each year. I can't imagine what will happen next but I feel like intellect power growing inside me as we speak.
@hardknocksphd You know I've been given the WAIS-III numerous times and I came to a similar conclusion. I thought my score was too high and I immediately noted weak points of the test.
Sure, I can repeat back a string of numbers, letters, numbers and letters, forwards, backwards, whatever, perfectly. It doesn't mean I'm paying attention to what I'm saying. It's just sound. It's easy to remember if you don't pay attention to the meaning.
@hardknocksphd Actually, from the standpoint of the world of science, it's a horribly flawed test. But it usually does give us a general idea of a person's abilities at least.
Giftedness and Asperger's Syndrome can be easily mixed up (As was in my case) even with a lot of testing. I've been correctly diagnosed with ADHD, but I'm skeptical about my Bipolar diagnoses. In the period that I was teaching myself social skills, I faced a lot of mental trauma. This led to depression, and the medication they gave me made me manic. All this on top of unhealthy perfectionism and test anxiety really clouds things.
IQ does not mean anything. On paper my IQ is only 110, which would mean I am as thick as two short planks and unemployable. I now have no self esteem as well since this was tested. I have Asperger syndrome and this folloed me through more than likely a database. I have an interest in organic chemistry and had done since 1983.
If 97% people are between 90-110 there is 3% left for the rest. Therefore 1,5% would be over 110 and 1,5% under 90. The statement is invalid = untrue.
@Aredon1 Yes, my mistake, i meant 97% are below 111iq, and 94% are between 100 and 110. In the bell curve of iq there is only a 3% difference at either side of 'average'. Mistakes happen, no need to be a douche.
If someone has Asperger's, (and even in some neurotypicals), they can throw their IQ score out. It is well established that individuals diagnosed with HFA/Asperger's score considerably higher on tests of fluid intelligence (such as the Raven's Matrices type IQ tests). There is a fair possibility that certain theories will be established within the next couple of decades, which will lead to the restructuring of conventional IQ tests (which, in certain cases, are poor indicators of intelligence)
I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and MDD but when I brought up the fact that I think I may have AS my doctor actually took offense to it. He concluded that I am self righteous and have an attitude problem. While I am not denying I had one at the time, his advice to disprove this theory to myself was to watch Rain Man. This makes me believe he doesn't even know what AS is. The fact that when I brought up that Autism is different then AS he changed the subject.
Change your doctor, your doctor seem to not practicing his physcologist well.
Rain Man isn't 100% accurate to diagnosed what is autism, just a description in illustration. There are other video that show autism in different type that is different than in Rain Man.
Thank you for the reply. Yes, I know that Rain Man is not 100% accurate (but actually decently accurate of how Kim Peek was when he was younger). That is why I don't believe he fully knows what AS is, he ended up putting me on many medications that I believe may have done more harm then good.
I will be switching to a psychologist as this was a psychiatrist, still, I expected him to at least know what AS is. Instead he threw pills at me :(
@BrendanP2112 So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
@BrendanP2112 A doctor shouldn't be saying things like that, especially if he's a mental health doctor. The thing about mental health doctors, or psychiatrists, is that by helping you they should be allowing you to express your inner thoughts and feelings without judging you, and you should have the chance to tell the truth that you might not have in the outside world. Mental health and counselling is a place where for once you shouldn't have to make an effort to be amiable and pleasing.
You should be able to relax with doctors and counsellors just as if you were on your own. In the outside world we have to be constantly careful about being considerate, being pleasant company, not saying the wrong thing and offending people, and it can be very exhausting. We might just burst of it if we didn't have somewhere to relax and be truthful. That's why there should never be more people in a house than bedrooms.
Unfortunately doctors often think they're much smarter than they actually are. They often miss logic, reasoning and social insight. The problem is that doctors are 'Looked up to' and the people who want to be looked up too, often are not the smartest ones, but the ones with the biggest ego (and stamina). Scientists should be doctors, and the current doctors....well...some of them are good, but from my exprience the average did not have a top notch IQ
It's too bad there isn't an academic system that was for people, such as those with Autism, that focused on their interests and gave them a degree in that field. Basic logical academics in the school system is not the best thing to even try to teach autistic children. This may sound absurd, but basic school is so easy, it's hard. It doesn't boggle our minds and lure us in, this is why we fail in basic academics. If that makes since to the basic minded person.
Complaining within generalizations of a system (and there are many IQ testing system out there) is the hallmark of a mind less inclined to rational and critical analysis. Besides, if you had read my actual flippant statement, I certainly wasn't calling low-IQ persons "victims". LOL, anything but. Maybe a future burden on mine and yours tax money, but certainly not victims. And certainly not Republicans. lol
I have a normal IQ and still think they are not completely valid. Most IQ tests revolve around logical thinking, patterns, mathematics, reading and grammar. Basically, academic things. This does not include peoples interest, such as art, music, science, astronomy, cars and so forth. So, someone may be STUPID in logical academics and so forth, but they may have superior intelligence in a category that is of interest. They need to expand the IQ test in other categories, IMO.
IQ can only measure parts of intelligence. To think there is some end all test to tell how smart you are is ridiculous. IQ tests mainly test how you SOLVE PROBLEMS. You can still be a slow problem solver and be intelligent. Who is more intelligent the amazing problem solver or the one who can paint a masterpiece? They answer is ... both
Just as true as saying that it are the people who score high are the ones that want this outdated means of measurement to exist to boost their self esteem and give them the sense of security that at least they reached a high score and are therefore better than the ones who score lower.
Well, to me IQ doesn't mean anything. Mostly, because they only test certain subjects such as memory, verbal, sometimes mathematics and so forth. They don't include IQ that could include interests and hobbies. So what do you think of a person who knows everything about biology, but everything else is yet nothing but a blur and they fail at it? So then they're not intelligent because of so? It's absolutely, well...stupid. IQ charts only certain areas and does not show intelligence as a whole.
HFA's (High functioning Autistics) typically have superior overall functioning of the prefrontal cortex, which faciltates there unusually high 'fluid intelligence'. Typical IQ tests (and standardized tests in general), place a disproportionately high emphasis on
what is called 'crystallized intelligence'. Yes, these tests are dirty.
i agree, IQ has fuck all to do with how much social difficulties fuck up your life, social intelligence and intellectual intelligence are to totally different things
Yes. That's whyI don't like seeing those 'genius kid at age 6'. Especially when it's mainly eidetic memory, I just often wonder how their social skills are. Of course it's nice to be extremely intelligent, but it's important to be able to socialize to 'get around'.
I hope I don't sound like I'm bashing anyone, just saying that it's very important to be able to communicate, because as seen by this man, it's so difficult for him as a result.
Yes IQ means nothing because it is based on certain "standard" method of learning. We learn in a different way. Knowledge is knowlege no mater how you get it.
While I agree that knowledge is knowledge, and that even the most developed IQ tests are biased; this does not mean that IQ has no implications on our lives. IQ in general is meant to determine how well and how fast we can process information. People with higher IQs are in general better at multi tasking, as they are able to process the information input on both tasks more affectively and are able to respond more affectively to each individual task.
Most of this goes for a smaller percentage of the population (5%) ,which has either HFA/Asperger's, and the occasional intellectual types,whom are capable (at least through some period) of high level reasoning, without the ability to manage 'simple' everyday tasks.While generally, IQ tests are good indicators of overall reasoning abiliy, the correlation between an IQ score and high ,'abstract', level problem solving can be vague in cases(and limited time-frames), and it deserves further study.
Unfortunately, I don't believe I was ask about reading facial expression during the test. Either the IQ test wasn't traditional or just plain biased in matter of spelling, memory, and math.
If IQ is below IQ 70, they diagnose low functioning Autism, which may qualify for even better social supports.
And in some places in the UK, they only take into account IQ - thus a Aspie's IQ maybe too high to qualify for social supports.
But it is generally true, IQ is a poor predictor of functioning. I remember reading an article in an encyclopedia about High IQ, it said some people despite very high IQs worked in menial jobs or were unemployed, it was written before Asperger's was known.
I've found that those with Asperger Syndrome have a very unique perspective. I believe that perspective is everything and plays a very important role in intelligence and awareness.
I believe that we aspies may be more aware of ourselves (mentally and physically) while neural-typicals seem to be more aware of others and their mood. Which probably explains why us aspies have a hard time having fun with large groups.
I think you are absolutely right. It is my experience that Aspies are way more aware of themselves - how they are, feel, react and think, as well as their strengths and weaknesses - than neurotypicals.
What is interesting to add to this is that people with AS also have a predisposition to self-diagnose. It is just a "difference" and one is of course not better then the other. It is also a rather general statement as some people with AS or other disorders on the autism spectrum could be less aware of themselves then someone who doesn't.
I also find that this makes me rather selfish (which is rather common) and I have to fight with myself to not go on about my own feelings and thoughts toomuch
dude, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Or you have met a certain type of AS people in your live.
Anyway, Asperger's are known for their high IQ and with that high IQ they can compensate for their low EQ. So to call people with AS socially retarded goes way to far.
However this compensation is only till a certain level of social skills. Things like intimate relations or working in a projectgroup at school or socialising with large groups can still be hard.
dude, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Or you have met a certain type of AS people in your live.
Anyway, Asperger's are known for their high IQ and with that high IQ they can compensate for their low EQ. So to call people with AS socially retarded goes way to far.
However this compensation is only till a certain level of social skills. Things like intimate relations or working in a projectgroup at school or socialising with large groups can still be hard.
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Why is it most of you guys sound all dumb? I really drives me crazy how most of you are unkept. I mean shave that chest, get a haircut. I have AS too and look nowhere near like you and most of you.
Because our focus isnt always directed towards appearance.
If your obsession is white teeth and smelling like deodorant, then you will probably look "better" i suppose.
It sounds like you are happy that at least one thing about you is "mainstream" and you celebrate this by picking on fellow aspies who are less succesful in terms of appearance.
It's the way u show yourself. There's still bugs to work out but I wouldn't have gotten better if I hung out with your/our kind. Trust me, it hurt to lose that stupid vocab but it did me more good. The thing that gets to me is you guys think ur better than everyone else, esp if u work with computers but don't try to be more approachable. Except for BumsenDK, u guys have the attitude "We're not gonna blend in with u guys so take us or leave us." The world doesn't work that way.
Apparently the world DOES work "that way". All sorts of people for all sorts of reasons make themselves inapproachable. I know it may seem as some sort of hate group that distance itself from society as much as possible, but being forced to blend i is extremely hard for people with this disorder. It is simply better to afford (by all means) some space and not having to deal with other people. Sometimes it just feels good to shit on the neurotypicals and feel disconnected from society.
Besides, what else do you suggest? To take a good dive into society and being forced to "grow the fuck up"? Been there, done that, bought the T shirt.
What you are saying is ignorant and you are thinking too much in black and white (which is actually a symptom of AS). Don't mean to criticize you but what you say offends me. It hurt to lose your vocabulary? How does one even go about that? Lots of binge drinking?
We do not think we are better then everyone else. This is in your head. I am not saying a person with AS has never in the history of mankind been smug, but, saying we all think this is just plain wrong.
And IQ test measures the accuracy with which you process information, make connections, and hold information for a short-term period of time. I have asperger's syndrome, and my IQ is just over 140. I qualify for a number of scholarships because of it.
Hey, you can say what you want about IQ tests, but you'll be taking tests until you're out of college. If my IQ test says I'm a genius, and I can get scholarships because of it, I don't care if it's accurate or not. :I
WickedJakyoku 6 months ago
IQ tests may fail with aspergers syndrome, which needs a whole new system.
papasmurfXXX 10 months ago
I seem to be getting a different score every time I get myself tested. Because of my autism I'm very dependent on circumstances outside myself. For factors as sounds, sights, happenings in my personal life have a tremendous effect on how I'm able to concentrate.
It's also so ridicilously superficial to think taking a test on certain areas can be comprehensive for every element of the person's intelligence.
RyuDarkwood 1 year ago
For an aspergian, the IQ test is bullshit unless it covers the few subject areas you're interested in. Couldn't find an IQ test on history or aviation, so I let my degree with honors and my work history as a naval engineering officer, flight instructor, cargo pilot, and stockbroker speak for me. I did pass the AP history exam, but didn't get the implied college credit for it.
Bill1275w 1 year ago
I have Asperger's, I took an IQ test when I was 15, and tested an IQ of 125.
CCRkunk88 1 year ago
I had an IQ test and it came back 70.4 but I was in the midst of a panic attack because they wouldn't let me go home and would not even give me an estimite of when I would be able too.
PinkPunkyKat 1 year ago
Cheat on the test to fuck over the government.
timetraveler3797 1 year ago
IQ debated, I'm sure, logical?!
but I wonder, its very lightly that the tests are not fair,
and as many people are now saying its bigger than what its seems,
that is to say that the test of ones IQ level is but one very narrow judgement upon a persons intellectual complexities.
so basically I'm sure that the conceptual idea is floored, and this is due to the fact of expression of the said individuals intellectual state,
but this is life, I guess.
but maybe wise to separate the IQ levels
TheOnetrueself 1 year ago
I took the WAIS IQ test and I can say IQ does neeed some work.
Yes, I have a pretty good one.
But as my wife says, I have no common sense, even though I am sometimes seen as a walking encyclopedia.
And memory is not intelligence either, true.
Idiot savants are the perfect proof of that.
hardknocksphd 1 year ago
I am thinking that my social IQ has been widen and not narrow but that was over 2 years ago.
Professor told me that gray matters blocked connection and that it get thinner each year. A recent article was released saying that scientists weren't surprise that gray matter blocking was the cause for lower intelligence.
If that was the case, I could be getting more intelligent each year. I can't imagine what will happen next but I feel like intellect power growing inside me as we speak.
Bopkasen 1 year ago
@hardknocksphd You know I've been given the WAIS-III numerous times and I came to a similar conclusion. I thought my score was too high and I immediately noted weak points of the test.
Sure, I can repeat back a string of numbers, letters, numbers and letters, forwards, backwards, whatever, perfectly. It doesn't mean I'm paying attention to what I'm saying. It's just sound. It's easy to remember if you don't pay attention to the meaning.
SepherStar 1 year ago
@hardknocksphd Actually, from the standpoint of the world of science, it's a horribly flawed test. But it usually does give us a general idea of a person's abilities at least.
SepherStar 1 year ago
Giftedness and Asperger's Syndrome can be easily mixed up (As was in my case) even with a lot of testing. I've been correctly diagnosed with ADHD, but I'm skeptical about my Bipolar diagnoses. In the period that I was teaching myself social skills, I faced a lot of mental trauma. This led to depression, and the medication they gave me made me manic. All this on top of unhealthy perfectionism and test anxiety really clouds things.
kiikasi 2 years ago
hmm i may have AS but havent been dialgnosed, when i took an IQ test i got IQ of 148 but i am dyslixic (Sorry i know thats wrong).
davie732 2 years ago
Why is that wrong?
Zorica12 2 years ago
IQ does not mean anything. On paper my IQ is only 110, which would mean I am as thick as two short planks and unemployable. I now have no self esteem as well since this was tested. I have Asperger syndrome and this folloed me through more than likely a database. I have an interest in organic chemistry and had done since 1983.
philsaspiezone 2 years ago
97% of people have an iq between 90 and 110. only 2 percent of people have an iq above 130.
JoelsufBass 2 years ago
Untrue
Aredon1 2 years ago
Untrue?! Clearly you're not part of that 2%. Research it numbnuts.
JoelsufBass 1 year ago
@JoelsufBass
If 97% people are between 90-110 there is 3% left for the rest. Therefore 1,5% would be over 110 and 1,5% under 90. The statement is invalid = untrue.
Aredon1 1 year ago
@Aredon1 Yes, my mistake, i meant 97% are below 111iq, and 94% are between 100 and 110. In the bell curve of iq there is only a 3% difference at either side of 'average'. Mistakes happen, no need to be a douche.
JoelsufBass 1 year ago
If someone has Asperger's, (and even in some neurotypicals), they can throw their IQ score out. It is well established that individuals diagnosed with HFA/Asperger's score considerably higher on tests of fluid intelligence (such as the Raven's Matrices type IQ tests). There is a fair possibility that certain theories will be established within the next couple of decades, which will lead to the restructuring of conventional IQ tests (which, in certain cases, are poor indicators of intelligence)
zadeh79 1 year ago
I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and MDD but when I brought up the fact that I think I may have AS my doctor actually took offense to it. He concluded that I am self righteous and have an attitude problem. While I am not denying I had one at the time, his advice to disprove this theory to myself was to watch Rain Man. This makes me believe he doesn't even know what AS is. The fact that when I brought up that Autism is different then AS he changed the subject.
BrendanP2112 2 years ago
Change your doctor, your doctor seem to not practicing his physcologist well.
Rain Man isn't 100% accurate to diagnosed what is autism, just a description in illustration. There are other video that show autism in different type that is different than in Rain Man.
Bopkasen 2 years ago
Thank you for the reply. Yes, I know that Rain Man is not 100% accurate (but actually decently accurate of how Kim Peek was when he was younger). That is why I don't believe he fully knows what AS is, he ended up putting me on many medications that I believe may have done more harm then good.
I will be switching to a psychologist as this was a psychiatrist, still, I expected him to at least know what AS is. Instead he threw pills at me :(
BrendanP2112 2 years ago
@BrendanP2112 So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
hardknocksphd 1 year ago
"watch Rain Man."
Rain man is a fricking hollywood movie. Any person who recommends you watch a holywood movie and treat it as gospel, is an idiot.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
hardknocksphd 1 year ago
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@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
hardknocksphd 1 year ago
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@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
hardknocksphd 1 year ago
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@tiptiptapable So true. Rain Main is Hollywood, and as such it certainly focuses on extremes. Many true autistics, not AS, act far more "normal" than Rain Man, but normal doesn't sell movies well.
And many doctors see AS and autism as the same, just different ends of the same spectrum, sort of.
Still, the mentioned doctor sounded like an idiot.
When my psych and all got wind of it with me they called in all sorts of other reference and opinions just to be sure they were not wrong.
hardknocksphd 1 year ago
@BrendanP2112 A doctor shouldn't be saying things like that, especially if he's a mental health doctor. The thing about mental health doctors, or psychiatrists, is that by helping you they should be allowing you to express your inner thoughts and feelings without judging you, and you should have the chance to tell the truth that you might not have in the outside world. Mental health and counselling is a place where for once you shouldn't have to make an effort to be amiable and pleasing.
Ilovecats112233 1 year ago
You should be able to relax with doctors and counsellors just as if you were on your own. In the outside world we have to be constantly careful about being considerate, being pleasant company, not saying the wrong thing and offending people, and it can be very exhausting. We might just burst of it if we didn't have somewhere to relax and be truthful. That's why there should never be more people in a house than bedrooms.
Ilovecats112233 1 year ago
If a doctor is easily offended then he cannot help you. I would get a different doctor.
Ilovecats112233 1 year ago
@BrendanP2112
Unfortunately doctors often think they're much smarter than they actually are. They often miss logic, reasoning and social insight. The problem is that doctors are 'Looked up to' and the people who want to be looked up too, often are not the smartest ones, but the ones with the biggest ego (and stamina). Scientists should be doctors, and the current doctors....well...some of them are good, but from my exprience the average did not have a top notch IQ
PowerRedBull 1 year ago
It's too bad there isn't an academic system that was for people, such as those with Autism, that focused on their interests and gave them a degree in that field. Basic logical academics in the school system is not the best thing to even try to teach autistic children. This may sound absurd, but basic school is so easy, it's hard. It doesn't boggle our minds and lure us in, this is why we fail in basic academics. If that makes since to the basic minded person.
NamekianPikkoro7 2 years ago
Usually the people who complain the most about the validity of IQ tests are the ones who score low on them to begin with...
EvangelionXxXxX 2 years ago
Except... if you look at the system instead of the result.
You can complain that the system telling you that you have too high IQ.
This is definitely a logic failure to suggest that people that complain are the victim unless we including the odd.
Bopkasen 2 years ago
Complaining within generalizations of a system (and there are many IQ testing system out there) is the hallmark of a mind less inclined to rational and critical analysis. Besides, if you had read my actual flippant statement, I certainly wasn't calling low-IQ persons "victims". LOL, anything but. Maybe a future burden on mine and yours tax money, but certainly not victims. And certainly not Republicans. lol
EvangelionXxXxX 2 years ago
I have a normal IQ and still think they are not completely valid. Most IQ tests revolve around logical thinking, patterns, mathematics, reading and grammar. Basically, academic things. This does not include peoples interest, such as art, music, science, astronomy, cars and so forth. So, someone may be STUPID in logical academics and so forth, but they may have superior intelligence in a category that is of interest. They need to expand the IQ test in other categories, IMO.
NamekianPikkoro7 2 years ago
IQ can only measure parts of intelligence. To think there is some end all test to tell how smart you are is ridiculous. IQ tests mainly test how you SOLVE PROBLEMS. You can still be a slow problem solver and be intelligent. Who is more intelligent the amazing problem solver or the one who can paint a masterpiece? They answer is ... both
BrendanP2112 2 years ago 4
Well said :)
zadeh79 1 year ago
Yes, and in many (if not most) instances, those same people, have a right to be complaining about them.
zadeh79 1 year ago
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RyuDarkwood 1 year ago
@EvangelionXxXxX
Just as true as saying that it are the people who score high are the ones that want this outdated means of measurement to exist to boost their self esteem and give them the sense of security that at least they reached a high score and are therefore better than the ones who score lower.
RyuDarkwood 1 year ago
Well, to me IQ doesn't mean anything. Mostly, because they only test certain subjects such as memory, verbal, sometimes mathematics and so forth. They don't include IQ that could include interests and hobbies. So what do you think of a person who knows everything about biology, but everything else is yet nothing but a blur and they fail at it? So then they're not intelligent because of so? It's absolutely, well...stupid. IQ charts only certain areas and does not show intelligence as a whole.
NamekianPikkoro7 2 years ago
HFA's (High functioning Autistics) typically have superior overall functioning of the prefrontal cortex, which faciltates there unusually high 'fluid intelligence'. Typical IQ tests (and standardized tests in general), place a disproportionately high emphasis on
what is called 'crystallized intelligence'. Yes, these tests are dirty.
zadeh79 2 years ago
i agree, IQ has fuck all to do with how much social difficulties fuck up your life, social intelligence and intellectual intelligence are to totally different things
ghodium 3 years ago
Yes. That's whyI don't like seeing those 'genius kid at age 6'. Especially when it's mainly eidetic memory, I just often wonder how their social skills are. Of course it's nice to be extremely intelligent, but it's important to be able to socialize to 'get around'.
I hope I don't sound like I'm bashing anyone, just saying that it's very important to be able to communicate, because as seen by this man, it's so difficult for him as a result.
Zorica12 2 years ago
Yes IQ means nothing because it is based on certain "standard" method of learning. We learn in a different way. Knowledge is knowlege no mater how you get it.
movingzachb 3 years ago
While I agree that knowledge is knowledge, and that even the most developed IQ tests are biased; this does not mean that IQ has no implications on our lives. IQ in general is meant to determine how well and how fast we can process information. People with higher IQs are in general better at multi tasking, as they are able to process the information input on both tasks more affectively and are able to respond more affectively to each individual task.
herzogf22 2 years ago
Most of this goes for a smaller percentage of the population (5%) ,which has either HFA/Asperger's, and the occasional intellectual types,whom are capable (at least through some period) of high level reasoning, without the ability to manage 'simple' everyday tasks.While generally, IQ tests are good indicators of overall reasoning abiliy, the correlation between an IQ score and high ,'abstract', level problem solving can be vague in cases(and limited time-frames), and it deserves further study.
zadeh79 1 year ago
The type of EQ test she means is there you test your ability to understand facial expressions etc.
falmsilm 3 years ago
Unfortunately, I don't believe I was ask about reading facial expression during the test. Either the IQ test wasn't traditional or just plain biased in matter of spelling, memory, and math.
Bopkasen 3 years ago
I got Asperger syndrome and I have tried a lot of EQ tests on the internet and my EQ score is between 65-75, the average is 100
LOL
THH16 3 years ago
If IQ is below IQ 70, they diagnose low functioning Autism, which may qualify for even better social supports.
And in some places in the UK, they only take into account IQ - thus a Aspie's IQ maybe too high to qualify for social supports.
But it is generally true, IQ is a poor predictor of functioning. I remember reading an article in an encyclopedia about High IQ, it said some people despite very high IQs worked in menial jobs or were unemployed, it was written before Asperger's was known.
Diamonddavej 3 years ago
Yes,I have AS and an I.Q. of 137 and work in a factory...
xdr8390 2 years ago 2
So this encyclopedia was written before 1944? Wow, to have access to such an old encyclopedia would be fascinating!
Zorica12 2 years ago
I've found that those with Asperger Syndrome have a very unique perspective. I believe that perspective is everything and plays a very important role in intelligence and awareness.
I believe that we aspies may be more aware of ourselves (mentally and physically) while neural-typicals seem to be more aware of others and their mood. Which probably explains why us aspies have a hard time having fun with large groups.
H0D0NKAIN 3 years ago 6
I think you are absolutely right. It is my experience that Aspies are way more aware of themselves - how they are, feel, react and think, as well as their strengths and weaknesses - than neurotypicals.
StellaCheloniaPolari 3 years ago
What is interesting to add to this is that people with AS also have a predisposition to self-diagnose. It is just a "difference" and one is of course not better then the other. It is also a rather general statement as some people with AS or other disorders on the autism spectrum could be less aware of themselves then someone who doesn't.
I also find that this makes me rather selfish (which is rather common) and I have to fight with myself to not go on about my own feelings and thoughts toomuch
BrendanP2112 2 years ago
I think that would suck. It's probably better to not be 'self-aware', because then you would probably end up with a much lower self-esteem.
Zorica12 2 years ago
lol you have a funny voice
loverofrunescape32 3 years ago
nice vid, i can relate to a lot of what you're saying, could listen to you for hours
ghodium 3 years ago
One tidbit about AS: IQ = normal to high EQ = below normal
Can be smart, but are socially retarded. It is a sad fact of life.
megamanxz1 3 years ago
dude, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Or you have met a certain type of AS people in your live.
Anyway, Asperger's are known for their high IQ and with that high IQ they can compensate for their low EQ. So to call people with AS socially retarded goes way to far.
However this compensation is only till a certain level of social skills. Things like intimate relations or working in a projectgroup at school or socialising with large groups can still be hard.
lightningwave 3 years ago
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dude, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Or you have met a certain type of AS people in your live.
Anyway, Asperger's are known for their high IQ and with that high IQ they can compensate for their low EQ. So to call people with AS socially retarded goes way to far.
However this compensation is only till a certain level of social skills. Things like intimate relations or working in a projectgroup at school or socialising with large groups can still be hard.
lightningwave 3 years ago
hmm my browser or youtube is going crazy, I wanted to post this as a response on the following:
megamanxz1:
One tidbit about AS: IQ = normal to high EQ = below normal
Can be smart, but are socially retarded. It is a sad fact of life.
lightningwave 3 years ago
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Why is it most of you guys sound all dumb? I really drives me crazy how most of you are unkept. I mean shave that chest, get a haircut. I have AS too and look nowhere near like you and most of you.
megamanxz1 3 years ago
What the heck?
Bopkasen 3 years ago
Because our focus isnt always directed towards appearance.
If your obsession is white teeth and smelling like deodorant, then you will probably look "better" i suppose.
It sounds like you are happy that at least one thing about you is "mainstream" and you celebrate this by picking on fellow aspies who are less succesful in terms of appearance.
Bhairav 3 years ago
It's the way u show yourself. There's still bugs to work out but I wouldn't have gotten better if I hung out with your/our kind. Trust me, it hurt to lose that stupid vocab but it did me more good. The thing that gets to me is you guys think ur better than everyone else, esp if u work with computers but don't try to be more approachable. Except for BumsenDK, u guys have the attitude "We're not gonna blend in with u guys so take us or leave us." The world doesn't work that way.
megamanxz1 3 years ago
Apparently the world DOES work "that way". All sorts of people for all sorts of reasons make themselves inapproachable. I know it may seem as some sort of hate group that distance itself from society as much as possible, but being forced to blend i is extremely hard for people with this disorder. It is simply better to afford (by all means) some space and not having to deal with other people. Sometimes it just feels good to shit on the neurotypicals and feel disconnected from society.
Bhairav 3 years ago
Besides, what else do you suggest? To take a good dive into society and being forced to "grow the fuck up"? Been there, done that, bought the T shirt.
Bhairav 3 years ago
What you are saying is ignorant and you are thinking too much in black and white (which is actually a symptom of AS). Don't mean to criticize you but what you say offends me. It hurt to lose your vocabulary? How does one even go about that? Lots of binge drinking?
We do not think we are better then everyone else. This is in your head. I am not saying a person with AS has never in the history of mankind been smug, but, saying we all think this is just plain wrong.
BrendanP2112 2 years ago