WOW I HAVE WATCHED THIS VID LIKE 80 TIMES AND IT JUST GETS BETTER IN MY EYES! it feels like your actually there in the ballroom scene, as Prince Sigfried gets seduced by the Beautiful Odile that Murphy plays so amazingly!
do fouettes always have to be done on the left foot? I'm left handed and it would seem left legged as well, and I find it easier to balance whenever I put my weight on my right leg and my left leg is in the air. I just seem to have more control over my left side, sounds weird, I know, but my right leg has a mind of its own. I haven't attempted fouettes yet, but I'll be moving onto them sometime in 2012. Am I just going to have to practice, practice, practice?
@TheEnglishRedRose well, i tend to be more dominant on the left leg (like, my turns tend to be better) but i'm right handed, haha. I can understand the thing about your other leg going weird, that happens to me too ^^ i don't go to a dance school, i just try to learn off tutorials on youtube, but idk about you...
@TheEnglishRedRose It's not weird, it happens to me aswell all the time.The weird thing with me is that I have better balance on my right foot while my left foot is much more flexible, so ,even though I have tried billion times, I can't do fouettes at all on my left foot but on my right ,untill now, I have managed to do I think 4-6
@MrsAurellie You seriously just can't compare Gillian Murphy to Aurelie Dupont! Aurelie Dupont is one of the best ballerinas of our time, extremely graceful and elegant, with a very neat, nearly perfect technic, and such a great comedian on top of that! Nothing in common with Gillian Murphy...
Qual o titulo do dvd deste espectacular Ballet? Gostava de adquirir o mesmo mas não sei a qual pertence este excerto, pois existem vários versões no mercado. Um bem haja e Boas Festas!
do you think she sings to herself... aaaaand fouette and fouette and fouette and piroette piroette... and fouette and fouette and fouette and piroette piroette and fouette and fouette and piroette some more!
I believe that unless any of us are capable of doing that to perfection, we have no room to judge her for "sloppy arms" or anything else. I thought she did very well!
@DiegoRenan13 Look for Aurelie Dupont Black Swan on YouTube ("Le lac des cygnes (Rudolf Noureev) - Aurélie Dupont & Mathieu Ganio - coda"), then you'll see why Gillian Murphy's fouettes are everything but beautiful... 32 fouettes executed with the same rhythm; perfect rotation of the feet, unfolding of the right leg, bearing of the head and arms, balance of the left leg and of the general movement; utmost grace and serene look on the face... that's what I call beautiful fouettes!!!
@MlleOdilette they are very proper triple fouettes so you shouldnt criticize her and anyways u cant do triple fouettes if u dont have goood form. its just not nice because she probs worked really hard and ballet is harder than u think
Senior moment & deleted a pm - so to the sender I can only say the arm position you call 1st is not recognised as correct classical placing in UK nor is the a la seconde, and elbows should not drop below level of hands, not even for singles. I hasten to add I much preferred 'American' arms for fouettes in training (yrs ago) but not allowed to use them! 'American' arms allow you to pull them in faster & tighter esp. for multiples. As a 'dazzle' moment they certainly work here.
I must admit, i've. never liked the way fuettes looked on pointe. However, hers are flawless. I'm so excited, I actually get to be in a show with her!
Not sure I an agree with your first line here. Yes, Vaganova arms are different to Western arms (very young Vaganova students hang from gym bars, which is why they end up with such fantastically elongated arms!) But to get her triples in GM has to have the arms the way she does - pure arm positions as they had to be for the original singles won't work. Some like it and some don't, and it's pretty special the way she stays fairly sur place - not easy.
@MlleOdilette Thanks but but this former RB dancer is quite relaxed - relaxed enough to pass on a useful tip given to me YEARS ago before I started pointe and it certainly worked for me. Hope someone finds it useful. (Sheesh, fancy passing on a ballet tip on a ballet site). Agree she is brilliant of course and I love the Russians but I prefer the more subtle appoach in this role favoured by the likes of Makarova.
@MlleOdilette Sorry for that - memo to self to ALWAYS wear glasses at the computer, it does help esp.at my age! One of the benfits of old age is having danced behind Nureyev and Makarova and still being around to see all the current great dancers.
I'm not a dancer, merely a lover of dance (I'm actually a gymnast . . . why that's relevent, I don't know :p ) but I was wondering how difficult is it to go en pointe? And are fouettes the hardest of the hard?
@TheEnglishRedRose once you've built up the strength pointe shoes aren't necessarily difficult, it becomes second nature (just as I'm sure it's for you having to know where to land from a flip on a balance beam or something). The difficult part is maintaining strength and keeping your feet from getting blisters or sores because then pointe shoes can be the worst. Fouettes are scary to learn but in my opinion a lot easier than you would think once you've gotten past the initial fear
@xanadu191 Agreed, and if young pre-pointe ballet students would get into the habit of soaking their feet in surgical spirit for about 10 minutes every day it would toughen the skin enormously! Oh, and perfect technique helps too!
@xanadu191 I guess in a way, they are scary. Because one has the fear of breaking or twising the ankle. Eh, my impression of fouettes is just that they look confusing to me. I never really understood when does the dancer put the foot down and when do you rise up again? I mean, I'd love to watch the dancer do fouettes slower so I can observe the moves.
@Marigold0156 These fouettes can't be done slowly - it's the powerful thrust (releve) that gets you up en pointe, Only way would be to film them with that wonderful slow-mo technical thing that's used a lot in sport now.
@Marigold0156 Imagine if you were the Prince - would you would be dazzled enough by this to forget she's actually the bad guy in this act, which is what she and her pa planned! her strength and timing are amazing. lol
@Marigold0156 Not saying you did - just asking if her performance would bedazzle. I am in awe of those triples. I could occasionally could throw out a triple en pointe in training, which was as much a surprise to me as it was to my teacher! Easier in soft pointes but that wouldn't do in performance!
@MrKLT1945 Yeah. But I"m sure those spins took years to master. I even tried doing it in soft shoes. They're hard and frustrating. I can only do half a spin. Sometimes one spin. I don't get how people manage to do 3 or 4 spins.
@TheEnglishRedRose *but also to do them with the control that Gillian Murphy has takes a lottttttttttt of work. Theres a reason she's one of the best :) by the way i didn't mention this earlier, despite all the complaining people like to do about how pointe shoes can hurt blah blah blah, they are the greatest joy to have and can give you the most incredible feelings. most of the time theyre what pulls the whole picture together and takes it to the next level
The only flaw is that she didn't actually do Petipa's 32 grand fouette (but then again, I've only seen it done twice in my life). Otherwise, impeccable.
@GabrielleduVent Grand fouette is a different member of the ballet 'Turning' Steps family, and is not in this solo. I don' t think any ballerina these days would restrict herself to the original 32 single fouette rond de jambes originally choroegraphed - some ppl might think she 'can't dance'! Sill amazing how little GM travels given she throws out those trebles! Huge strength and control.
Senior moment meant I did a t ypo earlier - 'Hasher' should have read 'Harsher'! I found multiple spins a bit easier to perform with these (GM's) arm positions but not allowed in British training years ago! We weren't throwing out triples with comparative ease and if one occasionally did a triple it was pure luck only! Ballet world has moved on and none the worse for that in many ways.
@MrKLT1945 You seem to think that I dislike this video or Gilliam Murphy, and I don't. In fact, I have this DVD and I have watched it several times, and I don't usually watch things I dislike more than once. I understand the difference in the arms between the White and Black acts, but I was referring to Murphy's arms as Odette. But in my opinion is kind of pointless to compare dancers from different companies since their trainings (and sometimes, choreography) are completely different
This former pro. ballet dancer wasn't a dancer from the age of 7, merely a ballet student from the age of 7. I became a dancer only after years of training and still only good enough for RB corps. GM stays sur place helluva lot more than others do/did, whether ppl like her arms or not. 'Hasher ' arms needed to show the diff. between Black & White swans!
@MrKLT1945 Could you please drop it already? At least have the decency to reply to me directly rather than leaving snarky comments about whether or not I'm a student or a dancer or whatever. You understood me perfectly. And like I said, I don't need any lectures on this art from the likes of you.
Sigh....First rule of immature 'debate' is to use childish insults to ppl who don't share your oinion. No-one can 'do' steps en pointe unless they can dance en pointe! Performing steps en pointe & dancing are, strangely, the same. But what do retired prof. (ex-Royal Ballet) dancers know about pointe work compared to great depth of ballet knowledge gained by NP fans courtesy of one film & a shitload of hype. Let's discuss here Murphy's fouettes & how her arms R used for multiple spins.
NP has absolutely NO turnout, sickle feet, weak and stiff from head to toe and no more capable of pointe work fit to be seen than she is of coming close to Olympic gymnastic stuff after a year - hence the baby pink soft satins for her BS grand entrance, not even able to waddle onstage in pointes for that. What was going on in that 'training?' It sure as hell wasn't ballet as we know it. Ain't CGI & mega-hype grand? That's my last word on here re. that film. This is great!
Is this in Italy? I thought she was great. It does seem like she titled to one side a bit as one of her arms were lower than the other. But hey! Not just anybody can do that, enjoyed watching <3
@theamazingsoter Have you ever heard of a double? She never ever stood en pointe! a dancer from ABT stood in for her at the pointe shoe scenes... She barely had training for 6 months! She wouldn't got any approvement to stand on pointe shoes at all...
@theamazingsoter I can read thanks.. Wearing pointe shoes is a whole other thing than dancing in them! If you ever had them on yourself you might know this... I did watch but still it is a whole other thing.. But even having training for a year doesn't gain your a allowance to dance in pointe shoes you barely know how to dance in..
I think that everyone that is criticizing her should jus shut up unless you can do better. She is amazing and i agree that this may not be to everyones taste, but why spoil everyone else's pleasure by leaving an offensive comment
For all you meanies who keep telling me they are called fouettes, shut the heck up. I am only 15 leave me alone I was trying to be funny I've never been in pointe so how should I know??? I've always loved ballet and took classes all my childhood. What are yalls problems why would you fuss at me just because I called them sig spin thingies!!! honestly just shut up if your gonna be stupidly mean!!!
Don't take it to heart. After all, you are "only 15," so just ignore the "meanies" and their negative comments, which they directed at you to make themselves feel superior. I like the term "spin thingies" actually. It is more descriptive than "fouettes"--unless, of course, you happen to speak French.:)
@petrina1022 Excuse me, but this "meanie" here was just trying to help someone, not to feel superior. It wasn't a negative comment at all. And you don't need to speak French to know what a fouetté is, just ask any ballet student or balletomane. Maybe you should just shut up and not answer to comments like hers that just want to stir up the drama.
@SydneyLiptonShow Actually I think that's a cute and accurate description. They are a signature part of the Black Swan (no way can they be omitted!) role and here GM certainly spins! I won't tell you some of the ways we described certain moves in my pro. ballet days - this is a family show! lol
@MyLillteFallenAngel Hey Sweetheart you're only 15 don't give up so soon, Besides you are trying to reach to high , be satisfied just to be able to get into a good ballet company for now. Perfection takes a lot of work and dedication, It will come in time once you set your heart on it !
@BroadwayBaby08 YES! I can see VERY few mistakes but not many at all and I know I could never dance like that (esp. in point!)! she is very beautiful.
for me her arms really bothered me, and she seemed really shakey when =S she wasn't staying at one spot but rather moved around alot and her supporting leg was slightly bent
@MsMARYCHAIN hahahaha yeh! i know its hard its just i think its cuz her supporting leg was slightly bent that after coming down after every turn she went slightly off balance therefore she couldnt stay at the same spot and moved around alot =P
@xazngiirlx No Pr ballerina on the planet has ever stayed exactly 'sur place' - it is just about impossible and has nothing to do with the knees - it's the eyes/neck alignment. I've seen and still see many Russians who wander more than GM. The worst 'offender' was Fonteyn , described by one dance critic as taking a Cook's Tour (a travel agency) of the stage during her fouettes. But artistry and phrasing are the most important elements of ballet.
Her arms are in the right position for her training. Some dancers are trained to turn with their arms pulled in, like the way you do with partners. I personally am not but I've seen a lot of dancers who are. So her arms are fine. And <3 her fouettes!
@BejeweledMoon Correct. Very American, these fouette arms and quite dazzling, just as they are meant to be to take the Prince's eye. To those woi ask about the numbers - she actually only does 26 fouettes to enable her to get her triples in. The number of times 'spinning' within one fouette do not count as separate fouettes. She throws in almost all the triples at the start, before she gets tired.
@AAATOR "this mess" ???? jesus christ... people, you are pathetic. she is doing it absolutely right. there is nothing wrong with her arms or with her feet.
@AAATOR I am from a by-gone era & admit to preferring the purity of the original 32 fouettes & the ballerina remaning sur place (on the spot, as was expected of us in my day) and which is the true test of fouettes rond de jambe. These days throwing in doubles AND triples is expected but can come across as a tad untidy. The arms are the way they are to enable her to get the multiples in. Mighty impressive but not to everyone's taste I must admit. The aim is to dazzle the Prince, so she succeeds.
Okay, I'm obsessed with Polina Semionova's Odile, but even she can't top Gillian Murphy's fouette sequence... of course the fouettes are only a small part of the Odile variation, but still! They're breathtaking!
Gillian Murphy, flat, no spark, going through the motions, please, leave it to the Russians to bring the fire & perfection.
1greattorero 5 hours ago
her arms are bothering me... but that was awsome :)
MyMusicDuck 18 hours ago
to think the hours and hours she trained, only to have morons come along and be rude.
Cagallirocks 4 days ago 2
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MlleOdilette 20 hours ago
Her center is amazing even if it isn't perfect o.O
breekwhal 6 days ago
and she's not dizzy :)
zoro7909 1 week ago
Amazing. Except for her arms
kahlan2727 1 week ago
the best. always.
Cheerbabeforeverable 1 week ago
holy shit thats awesome
omgitsher98 1 week ago
WOW I HAVE WATCHED THIS VID LIKE 80 TIMES AND IT JUST GETS BETTER IN MY EYES! it feels like your actually there in the ballroom scene, as Prince Sigfried gets seduced by the Beautiful Odile that Murphy plays so amazingly!
teenovels 2 weeks ago
I think it is funny that on almost every video of the black swans Fouettes someone has commented ''ATTACK IT ATTACK IT'' :)
brownballerina97 3 weeks ago 2
@brownballerina97 so much fun! :D
albertomHD 3 weeks ago
:O wow it makes me dizzy just looking at it.. im rubbish at spotting
marissacharleswagg 3 weeks ago
Fail!!! I meant your arms are wrong
glee851 3 weeks ago
Your ar,m
glee851 3 weeks ago
I think her arm is like that to be parallel to her working leg.
Whyville101 1 month ago
the best timing of all the codas... she's amazing
israelreis 1 month ago
not that I mind - what is a ballet production without practice? ;)
TheEnglishRedRose 1 month ago
do fouettes always have to be done on the left foot? I'm left handed and it would seem left legged as well, and I find it easier to balance whenever I put my weight on my right leg and my left leg is in the air. I just seem to have more control over my left side, sounds weird, I know, but my right leg has a mind of its own. I haven't attempted fouettes yet, but I'll be moving onto them sometime in 2012. Am I just going to have to practice, practice, practice?
TheEnglishRedRose 1 month ago
@TheEnglishRedRose well, i tend to be more dominant on the left leg (like, my turns tend to be better) but i'm right handed, haha. I can understand the thing about your other leg going weird, that happens to me too ^^ i don't go to a dance school, i just try to learn off tutorials on youtube, but idk about you...
Sarahqiu 1 month ago
@TheEnglishRedRose It's not weird, it happens to me aswell all the time.The weird thing with me is that I have better balance on my right foot while my left foot is much more flexible, so ,even though I have tried billion times, I can't do fouettes at all on my left foot but on my right ,untill now, I have managed to do I think 4-6
mjhp4ever 1 month ago
Gillian Murphy and Aurelie Dupont are my favourite ballet dancers.
Gillian as black swan is very beauty. She dances very smoothly
MrsAurellie 1 month ago
@MrsAurellie You seriously just can't compare Gillian Murphy to Aurelie Dupont! Aurelie Dupont is one of the best ballerinas of our time, extremely graceful and elegant, with a very neat, nearly perfect technic, and such a great comedian on top of that! Nothing in common with Gillian Murphy...
australie90 3 weeks ago
What I see in Gilliam Murphy's performance are gracefull and natural movements they don't seem force likes other performance I have see.
0893Ale 1 month ago
Unplug, unplug, unplug the darn wire!!!
Gmmaverick 1 month ago
And just when he was about to spin the video ended. lol. nahh bless him
CressidaTussaud 1 month ago
Boas,
Qual o titulo do dvd deste espectacular Ballet? Gostava de adquirir o mesmo mas não sei a qual pertence este excerto, pois existem vários versões no mercado. Um bem haja e Boas Festas!
numax61 1 month ago
do you think she sings to herself... aaaaand fouette and fouette and fouette and piroette piroette... and fouette and fouette and fouette and piroette piroette and fouette and fouette and piroette some more!
ive maintained for years that this fits!
Mithnoviel 1 month ago
I haven't found another Swan as graceful as Gillian Murphy
TheKingsDaughter07 1 month ago
@TheKingsDaughter07 Something tells me you haven't seen many other Swan Lake performances in video or otherwise...
theamazingsoter 1 month ago
Love this video she's really talented.
tezy66 1 month ago
I wouldn't try doing that with half a mirror in my abs.
TheFrostickles 1 month ago
@TheFrostickles Lets not mention Black Swan on real talent like this...
MomilyMoon 1 month ago
@MomilyMoon Right you are.. Apologies.
TheFrostickles 1 month ago
two words: Killer fouettés
MissOguri 1 month ago
And let's not overlook that guy at the beginning! Too much talent!
skerple94 1 month ago
Just when you think she might go out of time, she's right back in there :O
MagicAuror67 1 month ago
Just so talented... it is just so amazing. Beautiful.
skerple94 1 month ago
perpetual motion
TheMushrumable 1 month ago
I believe that unless any of us are capable of doing that to perfection, we have no room to judge her for "sloppy arms" or anything else. I thought she did very well!
ILuvMySoldier1221 1 month ago
I'd rather see quality over quantity. I'm not interested in triple fouettes if they are done incorrectly. This is perfect circus.
MlleOdilette 1 month ago 46
@MlleOdilette I would love to see you so better.
GavinHughODonnell 1 month ago
@MlleOdilette Really? I don't understand very well about ballet, but, for me, the Gillian's fouettes are very beautiful.
DiegoRenan13 1 month ago
@DiegoRenan13 Look for Aurelie Dupont Black Swan on YouTube ("Le lac des cygnes (Rudolf Noureev) - Aurélie Dupont & Mathieu Ganio - coda"), then you'll see why Gillian Murphy's fouettes are everything but beautiful... 32 fouettes executed with the same rhythm; perfect rotation of the feet, unfolding of the right leg, bearing of the head and arms, balance of the left leg and of the general movement; utmost grace and serene look on the face... that's what I call beautiful fouettes!!!
australie90 3 weeks ago
@MlleOdilette they are very proper triple fouettes so you shouldnt criticize her and anyways u cant do triple fouettes if u dont have goood form. its just not nice because she probs worked really hard and ballet is harder than u think
ceeuuutekawaii 2 days ago
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MlleOdilette 20 hours ago
@MlleOdilette ur being a troll ur saying mean things to people then removing them so noone else can see
ceeuuutekawaii 1 hour ago
Senior moment & deleted a pm - so to the sender I can only say the arm position you call 1st is not recognised as correct classical placing in UK nor is the a la seconde, and elbows should not drop below level of hands, not even for singles. I hasten to add I much preferred 'American' arms for fouettes in training (yrs ago) but not allowed to use them! 'American' arms allow you to pull them in faster & tighter esp. for multiples. As a 'dazzle' moment they certainly work here.
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
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@MrKLT1945 Are you talking to yourself?
MlleOdilette 1 month ago
What's the title of the music please?
shakiralove51 2 months ago
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MlleOdilette 1 month ago
just started fouttes in class, THANK GOD I used to ice skate, otherwise I would have broken my butt by now ^^
spotting is a dancer/skater's best friend :)
TheEnglishRedRose 2 months ago
Attack it! Attack it!! :D
trissty 2 months ago 75
@trissty Black swan....
MrRounddrop 1 month ago
i heard that she hurt her shoulder as a reason why her figure isnt completely correct
MrChiefNY 2 months ago
Such a dexterity and precision!
Atramentumink 2 months ago
sloppy arms. :/
hotlikefireee 2 months ago
It's not 32, but this is so much better. I can't even imagine being good enough to throw out triplets like that. Her precision is amazing!
horseygurl258 2 months ago 2
Seriously amazing with those turns
SmallSocietyIssues1 2 months ago
Legs of a steel. Which what you need to be able to do it.
SJS404 2 months ago
I must admit, i've. never liked the way fuettes looked on pointe. However, hers are flawless. I'm so excited, I actually get to be in a show with her!
tappintigger123 2 months ago
effin fantastic!
7spunky7 2 months ago
Not sure I an agree with your first line here. Yes, Vaganova arms are different to Western arms (very young Vaganova students hang from gym bars, which is why they end up with such fantastically elongated arms!) But to get her triples in GM has to have the arms the way she does - pure arm positions as they had to be for the original singles won't work. Some like it and some don't, and it's pretty special the way she stays fairly sur place - not easy.
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
I'm no dancer so I won't judge. I have a hardcore respect for ballerinas in general.
LadyVanHelsing713 2 months ago
awful arms and bad passe, this is perfect circus! If you want to see the real Black Swan, go watch a Mariinsky ballerina..
MlleOdilette 2 months ago
@MlleOdilette
gillian is the real black swan
shut up your all !!!
MJinLKL 2 months ago
@MJinLKL Ok, relax. And no one dances Swan Lake like a true Vaganova ballerina
MlleOdilette 2 months ago
@MlleOdilette Thanks but but this former RB dancer is quite relaxed - relaxed enough to pass on a useful tip given to me YEARS ago before I started pointe and it certainly worked for me. Hope someone finds it useful. (Sheesh, fancy passing on a ballet tip on a ballet site). Agree she is brilliant of course and I love the Russians but I prefer the more subtle appoach in this role favoured by the likes of Makarova.
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
@MrKLT1945 I wasn't telling you to relax, my comment was directed to MJinLKL who told me SHUT UP! just so you know. Makarova is my favorite also.
MlleOdilette 2 months ago
@MlleOdilette Sorry for that - memo to self to ALWAYS wear glasses at the computer, it does help esp.at my age! One of the benfits of old age is having danced behind Nureyev and Makarova and still being around to see all the current great dancers.
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
Gillian, I love you!
Atramentumink 2 months ago
I'm not a dancer, merely a lover of dance (I'm actually a gymnast . . . why that's relevent, I don't know :p ) but I was wondering how difficult is it to go en pointe? And are fouettes the hardest of the hard?
Thanks ^^
TheEnglishRedRose 2 months ago
@TheEnglishRedRose once you've built up the strength pointe shoes aren't necessarily difficult, it becomes second nature (just as I'm sure it's for you having to know where to land from a flip on a balance beam or something). The difficult part is maintaining strength and keeping your feet from getting blisters or sores because then pointe shoes can be the worst. Fouettes are scary to learn but in my opinion a lot easier than you would think once you've gotten past the initial fear
xanadu191 2 months ago
@xanadu191 Agreed, and if young pre-pointe ballet students would get into the habit of soaking their feet in surgical spirit for about 10 minutes every day it would toughen the skin enormously! Oh, and perfect technique helps too!
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
@xanadu191 I guess in a way, they are scary. Because one has the fear of breaking or twising the ankle. Eh, my impression of fouettes is just that they look confusing to me. I never really understood when does the dancer put the foot down and when do you rise up again? I mean, I'd love to watch the dancer do fouettes slower so I can observe the moves.
Marigold0156 2 months ago
@Marigold0156 These fouettes can't be done slowly - it's the powerful thrust (releve) that gets you up en pointe, Only way would be to film them with that wonderful slow-mo technical thing that's used a lot in sport now.
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
@MrKLT1945 Eh..they're confusing, just the same. I can't even observe the movements cuz its going so fast. lol
Marigold0156 2 months ago
@Marigold0156 Imagine if you were the Prince - would you would be dazzled enough by this to forget she's actually the bad guy in this act, which is what she and her pa planned! her strength and timing are amazing. lol
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
@MrKLT1945 I never said she wasn't good.
Marigold0156 2 months ago
@Marigold0156 Not saying you did - just asking if her performance would bedazzle. I am in awe of those triples. I could occasionally could throw out a triple en pointe in training, which was as much a surprise to me as it was to my teacher! Easier in soft pointes but that wouldn't do in performance!
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
@MrKLT1945 Yeah. But I"m sure those spins took years to master. I even tried doing it in soft shoes. They're hard and frustrating. I can only do half a spin. Sometimes one spin. I don't get how people manage to do 3 or 4 spins.
Marigold0156 2 months ago
@TheEnglishRedRose *but also to do them with the control that Gillian Murphy has takes a lottttttttttt of work. Theres a reason she's one of the best :) by the way i didn't mention this earlier, despite all the complaining people like to do about how pointe shoes can hurt blah blah blah, they are the greatest joy to have and can give you the most incredible feelings. most of the time theyre what pulls the whole picture together and takes it to the next level
xanadu191 2 months ago
The only flaw is that she didn't actually do Petipa's 32 grand fouette (but then again, I've only seen it done twice in my life). Otherwise, impeccable.
GabrielleduVent 2 months ago
@GabrielleduVent Grand fouette is a different member of the ballet 'Turning' Steps family, and is not in this solo. I don' t think any ballerina these days would restrict herself to the original 32 single fouette rond de jambes originally choroegraphed - some ppl might think she 'can't dance'! Sill amazing how little GM travels given she throws out those trebles! Huge strength and control.
MrKLT1945 2 months ago
Senior moment meant I did a t ypo earlier - 'Hasher' should have read 'Harsher'! I found multiple spins a bit easier to perform with these (GM's) arm positions but not allowed in British training years ago! We weren't throwing out triples with comparative ease and if one occasionally did a triple it was pure luck only! Ballet world has moved on and none the worse for that in many ways.
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
@MrKLT1945 You seem to think that I dislike this video or Gilliam Murphy, and I don't. In fact, I have this DVD and I have watched it several times, and I don't usually watch things I dislike more than once. I understand the difference in the arms between the White and Black acts, but I was referring to Murphy's arms as Odette. But in my opinion is kind of pointless to compare dancers from different companies since their trainings (and sometimes, choreography) are completely different
theamazingsoter 2 months ago
This former pro. ballet dancer wasn't a dancer from the age of 7, merely a ballet student from the age of 7. I became a dancer only after years of training and still only good enough for RB corps. GM stays sur place helluva lot more than others do/did, whether ppl like her arms or not. 'Hasher ' arms needed to show the diff. between Black & White swans!
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
@MrKLT1945 Could you please drop it already? At least have the decency to reply to me directly rather than leaving snarky comments about whether or not I'm a student or a dancer or whatever. You understood me perfectly. And like I said, I don't need any lectures on this art from the likes of you.
theamazingsoter 3 months ago
i'm not criticizing, i just don't like them.
toafer 3 months ago
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
今まで見た中で、一番最高の「グラン・フェッテ」の３２回転だった、前半と後半の回転の変化など、超人的だ～～
katsuhirosannan 3 months ago
THE REST.
Felixsusan 3 months ago
Sigh....First rule of immature 'debate' is to use childish insults to ppl who don't share your oinion. No-one can 'do' steps en pointe unless they can dance en pointe! Performing steps en pointe & dancing are, strangely, the same. But what do retired prof. (ex-Royal Ballet) dancers know about pointe work compared to great depth of ballet knowledge gained by NP fans courtesy of one film & a shitload of hype. Let's discuss here Murphy's fouettes & how her arms R used for multiple spins.
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
NP has absolutely NO turnout, sickle feet, weak and stiff from head to toe and no more capable of pointe work fit to be seen than she is of coming close to Olympic gymnastic stuff after a year - hence the baby pink soft satins for her BS grand entrance, not even able to waddle onstage in pointes for that. What was going on in that 'training?' It sure as hell wasn't ballet as we know it. Ain't CGI & mega-hype grand? That's my last word on here re. that film. This is great!
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
What song is this one?
nbechard 3 months ago
Is this in Italy? I thought she was great. It does seem like she titled to one side a bit as one of her arms were lower than the other. But hey! Not just anybody can do that, enjoyed watching <3
KowaiLeeks 3 months ago
She is wearing pointe shoes!! She is not wearing flats!! NP wore flats in that crap film BS.
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
@MrKLT1945
Nat is an actress not a dancer jeez calm your tits
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
@theamazingsoter Have you ever heard of a double? She never ever stood en pointe! a dancer from ABT stood in for her at the pointe shoe scenes... She barely had training for 6 months! She wouldn't got any approvement to stand on pointe shoes at all...
contortionist104 3 months ago
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
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contortionist104 3 months ago
@theamazingsoter I can read thanks.. Wearing pointe shoes is a whole other thing than dancing in them! If you ever had them on yourself you might know this... I did watch but still it is a whole other thing.. But even having training for a year doesn't gain your a allowance to dance in pointe shoes you barely know how to dance in..
contortionist104 3 months ago
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
@theamazingsoter you have to dance ballet for at least 3 years to go en pointe, and that's only if your teacher allows you...
Lucyballet1994 3 months ago
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theamazingsoter 3 months ago
@contortionist104
shut up
MJinLKL 2 months ago
she is a Pro she went all the way up on her toes on reg ballet shoes not pointe shoes :O Great job
MalloryLuvsJb101 3 months ago
one day...
Emilybjolie 3 months ago
I think that everyone that is criticizing her should jus shut up unless you can do better. She is amazing and i agree that this may not be to everyones taste, but why spoil everyone else's pleasure by leaving an offensive comment
katopotato000 3 months ago
Laughing at everyone who is criticizing this. So amusing!
BallerinaAshley 3 months ago
For all you meanies who keep telling me they are called fouettes, shut the heck up. I am only 15 leave me alone I was trying to be funny I've never been in pointe so how should I know??? I've always loved ballet and took classes all my childhood. What are yalls problems why would you fuss at me just because I called them sig spin thingies!!! honestly just shut up if your gonna be stupidly mean!!!
SydneyLiptonShow 3 months ago
@SydneyLiptonShow
Don't take it to heart. After all, you are "only 15," so just ignore the "meanies" and their negative comments, which they directed at you to make themselves feel superior. I like the term "spin thingies" actually. It is more descriptive than "fouettes"--unless, of course, you happen to speak French.:)
petrina1022 3 months ago
@petrina1022 Excuse me, but this "meanie" here was just trying to help someone, not to feel superior. It wasn't a negative comment at all. And you don't need to speak French to know what a fouetté is, just ask any ballet student or balletomane. Maybe you should just shut up and not answer to comments like hers that just want to stir up the drama.
theamazingsoter 3 months ago
@theamazingsoter
your "help" was neither solicited nor helpful.
petrina1022 4 days ago
@petrina1022 Excuse me? ...what did I say?
theamazingsoter 4 days ago
@SydneyLiptonShow Actually I think that's a cute and accurate description. They are a signature part of the Black Swan (no way can they be omitted!) role and here GM certainly spins! I won't tell you some of the ways we described certain moves in my pro. ballet days - this is a family show! lol
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
messy feet and messy arms
lulum28 4 months ago
Looks more like an ostrich to me
adamlamper 4 months ago 17
@adamlamper Umm have you ever tried to do 32 fouettes? Obviously not!
lovetodance989 2 months ago
@adamlamper When have you tried 27 fouettes with triple pirouettes in-between? This is an almost impossible task.
LilyNoelleArt 2 months ago 2
@adamlamper ok so aside from the poor choice of costumes, what do you think of the dancing?
loulie1997 2 months ago
@loulie1997 I think the dancing is wonderful
adamlamper 2 months ago
you can see she's exhausted
jennyendlessly 4 months ago
gillian is the best swan queen !!
MJinLKL 4 months ago
I wish people who know FUCK ALL about ballet would just stop criticizing. Gillian is amazing.
moonyisalive 4 months ago 2
@moonyisalive
i agree with you, Gillian is my idol
i don't think her arm is a problem
MJinLKL 4 months ago
gillian murphy is my role model i love her so much
lizlovestodance 4 months ago
Omg!!! Amazing PERFECTION
HIGHCHEEKBONES2010 4 months ago
@HIGHCHEEKBONES2010 I agree! She has the best form and Powerfull Piruetes ! She is my Ballet Goddess.
nicktesla45 4 months ago
My heart aches when I see that because I know that I will never reach such perfection!
MyLillteFallenAngel 4 months ago
@MyLillteFallenAngel Hey Sweetheart you're only 15 don't give up so soon, Besides you are trying to reach to high , be satisfied just to be able to get into a good ballet company for now. Perfection takes a lot of work and dedication, It will come in time once you set your heart on it !
nicktesla45 4 months ago
@nicktesla45 Thank you! =) And no, I am not givng up that fast!
MyLillteFallenAngel 4 months ago
beautiful
emily691995 4 months ago
DAYUM is she barefoot???????? NOW im impressed.
cold3crystal 4 months ago
@cold3crystal What do you mean? She is using pointe shoes ( Gaynor Miden, which is the brand, possibly?)
andagii 4 months ago
you make it look so easy
ninaarabesque 4 months ago
amazing love her turns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dancer30005 4 months ago
Unless you guys are all NYCB Principal dancers, you can just shut up about everything you're criticizing her for. She's absolutely effortless.
BroadwayBaby08 4 months ago 23
@BroadwayBaby08 Or ABT, oops, sorry. =) hehe.
BroadwayBaby08 4 months ago
@BroadwayBaby08 sorry to nit pick but she's an ABT principal. :P but I totally agree, hate it when people criticize world class dancers!
Lucyballet1994 3 months ago
@Lucyballet1994 I believe I corrected myself in another comment, but perhaps it got lost. I know, me too! Get a life, people!
BroadwayBaby08 2 months ago
@BroadwayBaby08 sorry :P it was a top rated commented so I just replied off that, but yep they need to get a life!
Lucyballet1994 2 months ago
@BroadwayBaby08 YES! I can see VERY few mistakes but not many at all and I know I could never dance like that (esp. in point!)! she is very beautiful.
7sisters1 2 months ago
for me her arms really bothered me, and she seemed really shakey when =S she wasn't staying at one spot but rather moved around alot and her supporting leg was slightly bent
xazngiirlx 4 months ago
@xazngiirlx its really difficult to stay at the same spot. but otherwise i agree!
MsMARYCHAIN 4 months ago
@MsMARYCHAIN hahahaha yeh! i know its hard its just i think its cuz her supporting leg was slightly bent that after coming down after every turn she went slightly off balance therefore she couldnt stay at the same spot and moved around alot =P
xazngiirlx 4 months ago
@xazngiirlx No Pr ballerina on the planet has ever stayed exactly 'sur place' - it is just about impossible and has nothing to do with the knees - it's the eyes/neck alignment. I've seen and still see many Russians who wander more than GM. The worst 'offender' was Fonteyn , described by one dance critic as taking a Cook's Tour (a travel agency) of the stage during her fouettes. But artistry and phrasing are the most important elements of ballet.
MrKLT1945 4 months ago
@MrKLT1945 all im trying to say is she looks as though she's about to fall upside any second
xazngiirlx 4 months ago
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@MrKLT1945 all im trying to say is she looks as though she's about to fall over any second
xazngiirlx 4 months ago
more than 40???
wow...
N0RTHWEST 4 months ago
These fouettes are the essence of Odile.... Breathtaking, attention grabbing..... absolutely mind blowingly insane in every single way.
dialthek 4 months ago
@chocolatefan1711 5 ft 6 in.
juliet5roberts 4 months ago
How tall is she??
chocolatefan1711 4 months ago
Her arms are in the right position for her training. Some dancers are trained to turn with their arms pulled in, like the way you do with partners. I personally am not but I've seen a lot of dancers who are. So her arms are fine. And <3 her fouettes!
BejeweledMoon 4 months ago 15
@BejeweledMoon Correct. Very American, these fouette arms and quite dazzling, just as they are meant to be to take the Prince's eye. To those woi ask about the numbers - she actually only does 26 fouettes to enable her to get her triples in. The number of times 'spinning' within one fouette do not count as separate fouettes. She throws in almost all the triples at the start, before she gets tired.
MrKLT1945 4 months ago
@MrKLT1945 I like 32 "normal" fouettées better than this mess, I have to admit. I am not so much into ballet, though. What's your opinion?
AAATOR 3 months ago
@AAATOR "this mess" ???? jesus christ... people, you are pathetic. she is doing it absolutely right. there is nothing wrong with her arms or with her feet.
moonyisalive 3 months ago
@AAATOR I am from a by-gone era & admit to preferring the purity of the original 32 fouettes & the ballerina remaning sur place (on the spot, as was expected of us in my day) and which is the true test of fouettes rond de jambe. These days throwing in doubles AND triples is expected but can come across as a tad untidy. The arms are the way they are to enable her to get the multiples in. Mighty impressive but not to everyone's taste I must admit. The aim is to dazzle the Prince, so she succeeds.
MrKLT1945 3 months ago
is it just me or did she do quite a few more than 32?
idiotte 4 months ago 3
her arms are not in the correct posture
MonChiCle 4 months ago
@MonChiCle they are.
Shleoss 4 months ago
i love so much her fouettes !
riii97 4 months ago 3
Okay, I'm obsessed with Polina Semionova's Odile, but even she can't top Gillian Murphy's fouette sequence... of course the fouettes are only a small part of the Odile variation, but still! They're breathtaking!
almostelphaba 4 months ago
The orchestra is playing!!! keep silence!
sas147741 5 months ago
her famous triplettes (triple fouetté) !!
wck26 5 months ago 2
Omg she is AMAZING words can not describe her she is official my new dance idol
1129belle 5 months ago
she can dance..just wounderful
magwua123 5 months ago
that amazing...
JessicaTCYin 5 months ago
The video is wonderful:)
Dramaqueen2146 5 months ago
I love Gillian. She's an amazing dancer and a very beautiful woman. One of the prettiest ballerinas I've ever seen.
moonyisalive 5 months ago
lol see if them breakdancers can spin on them toes instead of their heads
vicongos 5 months ago
this is so awesome!
sqekcx 5 months ago
Her legs are amazing but her arms aren't straight, they're flimsy.
wonderangel987 5 months ago
@wonderangel987 Shes not a fucking robot? I'd like to see you do that.
chicaplac 5 months ago
AHHHHH!!!!
balletduo 5 months ago
38! BETTER THAN THE NORMAL 32! OMG!
GigiBizzy 5 months ago