Jeff Rense | Webster G. Tarpley 031609 "Libertarian Lunacy" 1/4

[lazyfreedom98]

What is this crap.

[jhk863]

FDR bailed out banks and jailed conservatives who opposed entering WW2. He also implemented the fabian socialist rothschild plan off centralizing the US economy under the control of big government and big business. He called this plan the new deal. The oligarchs loved FDR so much that they tried to install FDR as dictator in 1932 (Chapter 10, Wall street and FDR). FDR was a BIG time enemy. I dont know how anyone could see this bankster anti-10th amendment POS as an ally.

[MGGoblin]

@jhk863 No. Roosevelt did not jailed people who opposed WW2, the police jailed the fascists and proto-nazis inside the USA who were in favor of Hitler (very very different). Roosevelt was a president, not a judge. And no, Hoover bailed out banks, Roosevelt builded roads and houses. The oligarchs did not love Roosevelt, watch "The Century of the Self" - they HATED him, they tried to assasinate him, then overthrow him. Nice love they had for him, no?

[jhk863]

@MGGoblin Bernays was a liberal elite who loved FDR and Wilson. FDR was an open admirer of nazi germany's public works programs and corporatism. FDR also loved Wilson, who was Bernays' boss and who also created the Fed. FDR was an establishment wall street installed elite.

[MGGoblin]

@jhk863 ¿What? ¿Bernays loved FDR? Bernays loved nobody but himself. He was paid by corporations to run a political propaganda campaign against him, talking about the FREE-MARKET and against the New Deal, wich demands government programs. The New Deal was not a corporatist fascist government, fascists tried once to overthrow Roosevelt and Hitler denounced Roosevelt as a "jewish conspirator". ¿Where do you get your facts? ¿From right-wing free-market fanatics?

[jhk863]

@MGGoblin Only if you read Sutton's "Wall street and FDR," which talks about how the new deal was a corporatist fascist wall street-funded program and the truth about the 1932 plot, not the banksters New York Times version, and Eustace Mullins' "The world order," which talks about how the rothschilds, through swope, wrote the new deal. Both are free online.

[jhk863]

@MGGoblin Only if you read Sutton's "Wall street and FDR," which talks about how the new deal was a corporatist fascist wall street-funded program and the truth about the 1932 plot, not the banksters New York Times version, and Eustace Mullins' "The world order," which talks about how the rothschilds, through swope, wrote the new deal.

[PurpleHoneyBear]

Can you tell me what music this is? Wow.

[jhk863]

The new deal, which was written by rothschild agent geral swope, was filled with monopolizing and cartelizing regulation, as well as corporate welfare. FDR's brain trust consisted of 10 representatives of the wealthiest families in the world. Wall street socialist bernard baruch was a brain trust member. The 1932 coup was a plan to overthrow congress and install FDR as dictator. Butler said this, but his words were spun by the banker owned new york times. Read Antony Sutton's wall streetandFDR

[MGGoblin]

@jhk863 On the contrary, FDR was HATED by the corporate thugs, the federal reserve chairman and the banksters. They tried to kill him. New Deal demanded that corporations have less power. And other thing... I'm tired of hear guys associating socialism/fascism/communism with government intervention in the economy. ¿Have you read Marx or Engels or some fascist authors, like Nietzsche? One more point. Webster has an essay on history about FDR and Pearl Harbor, you should search for it. =)

[MGGoblin]

@jhk863 Check out "THE CENTURY OF THE SELF" - a good documentary, where they talk about Roosevelt and his relationship with the banksters of the FED and the corporations, that paid Edward Bernays (the founder of Public Relations) to make an anti-FDR campaign.

[jhk863]

FDR was a northeast banker elite who was loved by the corporate socialists/fascists/carporatis­ts like wall street and the military-industrial complex. Before running for governor of NY, FDR was the head of a huge wall street firm. FDR's presidential run was bankrolled by wall street and by GE. The new deal was originally called the "Swope Plan" Becuase it was written by Gerald Swope, CEO of general electric and rothschild agent.

[CRAPCANNONS]

Isn't this just a debate between Keynes and Von Mises?

Keynesian `regulation' only works on paper because there are no good people that can be trusted to regulate (like the SEC).

Von Mises' free-market would be best (freedom to succeed and freedom to fail) but again, the game is usually rigged and real competition is stifled.

Rather than having the best of both we now get the worst of both;

1. corrupt bureaucrats pretending to regulate, helping

2. corrupt bankers who pretend not to defraud

[Foolsaeon]

tarpley vs. paul? Tarpley is confused and is not confronting himself with the root problems of the issue. He is just reporting news. Typical example today, everybody goes crazy about AIG but don't recognize and talk about the real scam that happens behind the scenes. THE FED announced to buy US - TREASURIES. The problem is that the general public, the media and politicians just don't understand economics. That's the reason why they always have to respond to the consequence and not the cause!!!!

[Badjohn007]

The Globe Tabloid stands tall.... Do mine ears deceive me? LOL! What next? Breaking news from The National Enquirer?

[Vorobiev69]

brape!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pkunzipstardotstar]

love it at 2:40

[kdogg1000]

Ron Paul would run circles around Webster Tarpley in a debate.the more i listened to Tarpley the more i realized he's nothing but a collectivist.he was also was taking shots at Ron Paul,when Ron Paul has been fighting the Federal Reserve and defending personal/civil liberties for over 30 years.

[prosvjeta]

ron paul vs, tarpley is the same as jefferson vs. hamilton i suppose.

they both (paul and tarpley) would debate on issued out of the time before 1901 (assasination of mckinley), when u.s.a weren't an extended asset of the morgan familiy who owns the FED.

[MagnaCarta2015]

Ron Paul vs Webster Tarpley both very inteligent id like to see that debate.

[atradition]

you have got to be kidding yourself: Tarpley v Paul would be titanic and only through debate can truth be found!

Moreover, Tarpley has a history as long as Paul in fighting the oligarchy: expand your knowledge before you attempt to paint this man!!

[kdogg1000]

i know about tarpley's history.I'm not painting him one way or another,I believe the creation of credit out of thin air is a moral issue,no one person or secret cabal should have that power.Tarpley thinks with the right regulation,this fiat system is okay.he likes to go on about derivatives,which i agree is a problem but not a big of problem as fractional reserve banking.Paul v Tarpley in a debate would be great,i just have a feeling Paul would expose his collectivist ways within 5 minutes.

[atradition]

You need to read more...

Tarpley has no taste for fractional reserve Banking. His support of national currency is paper backed by gold reserve. In the case of "collectivism" Tarpley would not run from his support of tarriffs and intervention but would use historical evidence to demonstrate that the United States was able to grow more wealthy during the 19th Century when both were applied. Lastly, both the Austrians and American's distaste for the FED should be the first fight for freedom

[1wingsolja]

The economy will completely collapse world-wide. They are solving debt by borrowing.

There will be a time of total chaos, very likely war and famine also, perhaps more.

The governments of the world will then 'unite' in an effort to bring out the antichrist.

Repent and believe in Jesus Christ. He is your only solution in this world and for eternity. Don't hold on to this world and then go to hell!

[ScientologySucksAss]

Relgious wackjobs like you are part of the problem and why there's a 2nd holocaust coming

[leballin05]

there you go again, painting everyone with the same brush of "religion."

its like me saying all economic models are the same, just pick one and stick with it.

[pkunzipstardotstar]

When you find Jesus you have found God's son... Isn't that what we are - God's Children? Eat your Vegetables, don't do synthetic drugs and read books.

[atradition]

What are you talking about: I have not given anyone the "right to "steal" or "murder". You need to re-read the Constitution, Declaraton Of Independence, the Federalist Papers, George Washington's 'Neutrality Proclaimation of 1793". Our founders left "WE the People" a "republic" but... can we keep it.

If we allow fear and ignorance of who we are as a people guide us then it will continue to collapse into an ungovernable democracy.

[curmosc]

Stealing and murdering is what will happen as a result the free-market that will set the Large coorperation up to gobble up the middle and lower classes. In an economic crisis, you don't want that. It just wouldn't solve any problems. The austrians want us to believe that we can handle a great depression bigger than the one we had before. NO WAY

[atradition]

I would love to see a debate between Tarpley and Paul!

A modern day Hamilton vs. Jefferson!

[camb702]

That would be something.

[Dziaji]

What is that word he keeps saying? Biddlian?

[batflies]

poor people should have remained homeless, of course, blame them.

[Trapster99]

The OBAMA DECEPTION. See it, understand it.

Thanks Camb, I was in need of a Tarpley 'fix' this week.

I have an idea as to how deal with the CEO's who have dabbled in Derivitaves: Introduce them to the concept of Seppuku

[Trapster99]

I like the art work.

Walk up to a CEO and ask 'Go ahead PUNK, make my day!'

[camb702]

Callahan never fails!

In retrospect "Derivative crack-whore merchants" would have been more appropriate (I might need to tone it down for the next broadcast).

Ah, hindsight.

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[curmosc]

Uh oh, here comes the American Liberty League again! :D LOL

[camb702]

Like clockwork.

[teewillis1981]

Tarpley is a hack.

[kdogg1000]

tarpley has nothing on ron paul, when it comes to economics.

[curmosc]

lol

[shenmueryu]

they are two view points and both should be noted and taken into consideration. ron paul wants to get back to the sound money and see how the market corrects itself and tarpley wants production to go up because the market cannot randomly fix itself without any work. both are right

[camb702]

The difference is Ron Paul would have us relinquish control of our economy and money supply to the likes of Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase and the rest of the Wall Street cabal.

And how does one return to sound money without the means of production? The Austrian School promotes the exact opposite, exporting manufacturing and heavy industry to cheap foreign export markets.

He also believes people shouldn't be entitled to state funded healthcare or the dignity of a pension.

[Honkyrappa]

I think your first point is interesting, that these moneyd-interests want fascism and wont allow a true free market anyway since they hold so much power already. The second point, well, its not just the Austrians, probably 90% of economists believe in comparitive advantage in free trade, with Paul Craig Roberts being a lone free market and Krugman a keynesian dissenter. Part 3 is accurate and I agree with Ron Paul on the issue. My question is, when does Webster address libertarianism here?

[chaztikov]

I'd like evidence, especially about Ron Paul relinquishing "control" of the economy and money supply to anyone in particular

As well as your claim that the Austrian School promotes exporting manufacturing and heavy industry to foreign export markets.

I sincerely mean this, please don't attack.

Keep in mind...although groups may be categorized as "black and white" easily, there are policies besides the ones in the limelight at the moment that cause complications...

[camb702]

Evidence? When was the last time you bought something manufactured with anything other than "Made in China" stamped beneath it?

As for Ron Paul, he believes all forms of economic are inherently equal, which they are not. What you have, as Tarpley points out, is a system of political economy.

To say you want to abolish the Federal Reserve is all well and good; but to turn around and say we should then let the "free market" decide our nation's money supply and interest rate is absurd.

[camb702]

And who is the market?

The market is Paulson, Geithner, JP Morgan Chase, Citibank, Goldman Sachs, David Rockefeller. You want THEM to control the issuance of your money supply? You can say they already do since they control the Fed and the Treasury.

[Intersekt]

No one should have control of our money supply. Money is a commodity. Nothing more nothing less. No one should have a monopoly maintained through violence on the production of money.

Why do you see only two choices? Government or government sponsored entities?

If people could voluntarily choose what to use as money, then none of the problems could have ever occurred.

[Intersekt]

China's rise was a direct result of government (including the federal reserve) intervention in our economy.

Govt created the regulation that crippled our industry.

Govt created the tax rules that encouraged offshoring of jobs and industry.

Govt created the fed and our reserve currency status which through the exportation of inflation made it cheaper for business to import rather than export goods.

What is a form of economics anyway?

The free market is the only fair system for everyone.

[prosvjeta]

wait a few year more, then you'll get your free market when the civilization collapses and the modern stone age comes.

i hope you'll be able to enjoy the fruits of that freedom when a hungry, violent and armed rogue comes to you to "buy" something.

[Intersekt]

I'm not saying I want a collapse... just that it's inevitable. People should concentrate on building a voluntary society that does not require granting super human privileges to a ruling class.

A society that doesn't need violence to function is the only long term viable solution. That does not mean that such a society would not have violence in it... just that the violence wouldn't be the foundation of its existence.

[gosciu555]

Like Tarpley says, government can be good or bad depending on who controls it. You can't say gov. is always bad cause its not true, look at the developments in the 20th century such as the internet, computer, satellites. They came out of government enterprises and activism as a science driver. That doesn't mean you get a free lunch but the gov has its job to do to enlarge the pie and provide progress. Also, we need improvements in dealing with crime.

[Intersekt]

Everything government has accomplished probably would have been accomplished sooner without government. Its not a coincidence that the country with the smallest government grew the largest most powerful economy of the world. Till recent years anyway. Think of what we could have accomplished without it altogether.

It crazy to think that a parasite (govt) can increase the economy. It drains the economy.

The worst crimes are always committed by govt. ie Genocide

[Jaycephus01]

There's a word for the type of government you're advocating: Fascism.

It's true that throwing billions at companies resulted in getting some stuff like IC-based computers, but we've also thrown billions at companies and got jack-squat (fusion power, etc.). There is no evidence that we got it better and faster than we would have gotten it anyway.

Government is 'fire' and building it bigger just increases the odds we burn the whole neighborhood down, as we appear to be bent on doing now.

[atradition]

it makes the citizen a slave of "market forces"

As Americans "We the People" under our constitution are endowed by our creator with ultimate economic and political power...if we can keep it!

[George4titleisascam]

rofl. Hey Camb, why does Germany still have manufacturing? Why does Japan still have manufacturing? Why does Singapore have manufacturing? LOL.

lol @ not letting the market set the interest rate. Yeah that's just what we need, the government to set the price of borrowing money. Price controls, what a brilliant idea!

[Jaycephus01]

The Austrians would say that if you have sound money, you won't have production exported to other nations.

Of course, it wouldn't hurt to eliminate the damn unions. How the hell can we NOT export production overseas when we have union idiots sitting on their ass playing cards making $31/hr, which is more than I make producing robotic, machine-vision-guided industrial automation that helps keep production here in the U.S??

[Nintendomanwill]

Ignore economics (evidently doing differently would be futile) and just look at the logic of what you are saying.

You are saying that it's 'all well and good to abolish the Federal Reserve' yet then you say that it's 'absurd' to have the market select money ie nobody can embezzle specie.

Why do you idolise the Fascist Roosevelt? How very immature and juvenile to idolise politicians. Probably a Lincoln fan too. When did the Civil War begin and when was the Proclamation of Emancipation? Exactly.

[IcedEarth426]

@Nintendomanwill Yeah, those fascist corporatists loved Roosevelt. They loved him so much that they tried to assassinate him, have him overthrown, and tried every trick in the book to stifle his attempts to reign in the banks. Apparently, when you stick up for corporations, that's freedom, but sticking up for the average man and trying to fight a depression with what resources you have, that's communism.

[fringeelements]

Reign in the banks? Roosevelt propped up the banks that would have and should have failed.

[Intersekt]

You really need to learn a little more about who and what you criticize before you start making criticisms.

Your post clearly shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Intersekt]

Although I like that the fact that Tarpley calls out the corruption that's running rampant in our system. He lives under the illusion that big government can exist without massive corruption. All government tends to grow. The bigger the government the more corrupt and inefficient it becomes. This is always the case.

It may not be feasible to jump straight to a truly free economy because of all the dependence that government has created. This is why collapse is now likely our only possible cure.

[atradition]

In a free society The government is corrupt as "we the People" allow it to be

[Intersekt]

That's a little too Utopian a sentiment. You can never police the police 100% effectively. The larger it gets the harder it gets to police. The larger it gets the more motivation there is for corruption and the more money to enable corruption.

Besides there is no such thing as a truly free society when one class(govt) has the monopolistic right to enforce its will on a the other classes through violence aka the barrel of a gun.

[atradition]

Not Utopian but American: We the People in order to form a more perfect Union...'more perfect' implies better; our system does not believe man is "god"

The U.S. was an experiment to see if humanity could rule itself; the power to control our fate is in our hands; the government gets its power from the population and not the other way around...

[Intersekt]

Well, this just proves that no matter how good a starting point you have, that over time government will grow for its own sake and no longer represent the people.

Its frankly an inevitability. At some point people will figure that out.

Governments that are capable of growing are not stable social entities. They grow till they collapse under the weight of their own corruption. Always have always will. I also don't believe its possible to create a government incapable of growing...

[atradition]

Once again it is "We the People":government is OUR servant or OUR slave...in the American system it is OUR choice

[Intersekt]

That may have been the original intention. It is however, simply no longer the case.

Even if we restored govt back to that original role, it would just be a matter of time before we were back to where we are now.

Its a fantasy to think you can will the largest empire the world has ever known back to some manageable size.

People have been trying to leash govt since its inception and all it has done is grow. Relentlessly. Period. You think your better than all who have tried before?

[gosciu555]

Yeah but that like saying, there has always been crime, so lets get rid of the Police.

[atradition]

Once again: It is "WE the People", if you are to weak to control your instittutions than so be it...you deserve to be a slave.

With your pessimism, your master can be called government, monarchy or your favorite "drink". The fight for freedom against oligarchy is perpetual; this is why the founders provided their posterity, principles and powers that must be maintained or tyranny prevails.

The power to choose is in your hands!

[Intersekt]

Really? I choose not to be ruled then, even by your "We the People". Does that mean your "We the People" will leave me alone? Not likely.

My institutions? I don't want any of em...

Jefferson thought the constitution and federal govt was a bad idea... He sacrificed his principles in the hopes of diminishing the beast. Well it didn't work.

I'm just pointing out the cancer. I neither created it nor condone it. You want to move backwards, I would prefer to move forwards, to a voluntary society.

[atradition]

So you are against the Republic?

[Intersekt]

As opposed to what? If you mean your idyllic conceptualization as opposed to what we have now? Then no.

Opposed to a truly stable free society. Then yes.

[atradition]

I am not the one being idealistic; I am theb one saying that our society is determined by ":WE the people"(Read my FIRST POST). It is you who fear "government" as an institution. I do not fear it because I understand that the power to change it is in the hands of the American people(Constitution, Declaration of Independence). That is if we are brave enough to fight!

[Intersekt]

I'm sorry but you are being idealistic. You think that by giving a class of people the monopolistic right to steal and murder is alright, even beneficial, if its accomplished through popular force or the vote? The worst of the worst of humanity will always be drawn to the reins of power. The only things Americans should fight for is freedom from govt, not the chains of a perceived softer govt. that will eventually grow till its a complete tyranny anyway.

[Jaycephus01]

Great ideal. Are you channeling Jefferson?

Now wake up out of your trance and look around!

[Jaycephus01]

I think the 'more perfect Union' refers to the fact that the States were joined in a confederacy prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

While I love the Constitution and what it stood for, we've so far departed from it that its impossible to keep talking about it as if it has any meaningful power anymore! We're to the point where it is openly violated by Congress, and the SCOTUS appears to be more concerned with European case law, than what the Constitution actually says.

[atradition]

We are a republic...if we can keep it!

Stop being scared and act like an American

[atradition]

Re-read the preamble to the United States Constitution before you decide to critique my comment...

[prosvjeta]

i agree with you!

those who always say free trade, have only comerce in mind and don't see the importance of production. just imagine a society where everybody is a trader. it's impossible that everybody is wealthy, cos when one makes PROFIT (needed as a trader to survive) the other guy gets to the same amount an economic LOSS.

result: only a few are succesfull, the rest is screwed, the succesfulls want others to be more stupid (no competition), society of traders and pastors without science.

[Jaycephus01]

You're an economic moron. When two people TRADE, they both win. OTHERWISE THE TRADE NEVER HAPPENS. How is it a 'loss' if I buy a tractor, which helps me grow ten times the wheat as before? Then I trade wheat for money to pay off the tractor. Someone else traded me for wheat, to bake bread, making a profit when he sells me the bread for my table. All of those were voluntary trades where BOTH sides got what they wanted out of the trade.

[atradition]

Tell that to the heroin adict

[prosvjeta]

sorry jay, you're right!

you should have also entioned the example of mutual economic benefit when a drug addict buys drugs from a dealer. dealer has the cash, addict has drugs and people working on opium fields are employed. eveybody happy!

i said: "...just imagine a society where EVERYBODY is a trader...". in your example you had a tractor (industry, production) so you can't evaluate my thesis with it.

i come from a country where EVERYBODY is a trader now, i know how people live there.

[Jaycephus01]

You're first two paragraphs are totally false.

Your third paragraph is WHY I will vote for Ron Paul or anyone like him.

No one is 'entitled' to state-funded health-care or a pension. Read the Constitution lately? The US Constitution?

It sounds like your position is essentially Marxist. Yay! Bring on the failed, intellectually-bankrupt policies.

[curmosc]

Crack-Whore economics. lol. Jeeze, you're not holding back are ya?

[camb702]

I'm running out of ideas. Besides, there's simply no point in being subtle about it any more, eh?

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[curmosc]

Yeah, but just make sure you don't discourage people to learn this stuff because I once was an Austrian school fan when I didn't know better. If you insult them to hard, then they will just block this stuff off.

[camb702]

Good point.

[chaztikov]

curmosc, please tell me more..

[curmosc]

Well when I first got into this whole elitist agenda thing, I looked at the problems and saw the solutions. They were all about abolishing the fed and saving peoples liberties which seemed very inticing and sexy at the time. I started listening to the Alex Jones show and I was eager to understand this whole thing as much as possible in order to make my own assessments. I listened to Ron Paul and Peter Schiff. I loved the things that Peter Schiff said on TV. Then Alex Jones had Webster Tarpley..

[curmosc]

He had Webster Tarpley on his show and I said man, this guy is so smart. I can hardly keep up with him. So I was courious and looked up some other videos where he talked about Geo-Politics. I noticed that he had a way of tieing things together and making connections. Eventually, he rained on my Libertarian parade. I give everything a chance. If I'm wrong, I wanna know about it. Theres a right way to be wrong. He explained the consequences of the free-market as well as detailed history...

[curmosc]

On the austrian school. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that the free market thing is quite frankly an invitation for coorperate take-over. Then I learned the similarities between the American Liberty League and this Libertarian movement going on right now. Can you say Set-Up? The natural characteristics of Libertarianism ultimately lead to Fascism. So this whole revolution idea would be like the people acting to overthrow the government and throwing away the regulations that..

[Jaycephus01]

So, let's see if I can understand your point...

More liberty leads to Fascism? That's like saying more water leads to thirst. More food leads to starvation. More reading leads to illiteracy.

We have all-out Fascism right now.

Tarpley is a collectivist fool. To the degree he recognizes Obama as a Fascist, as a Bush III, great. But his economic prescriptions are just more of what we got now. Regulations? Got too many now, more aren't going to help. Google Madoff & SEC.

[curmosc]

You think this is all-out now? Wait till this gets going. The structure for fascism has formed. But it will get much worse. Listen to the republican opposition crying out for the free-market. By the time they get it, this left cover of the Obama administration will have consolidated everything for the few. Asking for the free-market by then will be like asking to get your asses kicked severely by the very same people that you libertarians resent. It's Suicidal!!!

[curmosc]

Infact hold these Bankers back from total take over. So I listened to Tarpley who said to simply take back control of your government with political awareness and class consciousness. It just sounds like the only answer. If you have this many people aware of this Wall-Street banker influence. Just have them all mobilize politically and use the government for the people. Not the elites. Governement intervention CAN do good things in the right hands. OUR hands

[curmosc]

Nice, thanks again camb!

[camb702]

A pleasure, always.

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