TO ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE. If you do BASIC research on wavelengths of light it is EASY to understand what LED setups you will need for your garden. If you buy a random LED panel off or ebay, you deserve to get shafted. It takes a few hours of reading and a little common sense and you will realize that LED's are in many ways more efficient in producing absorbable light. I have 2 large gardens that are run with groups of LED's. I prefer them to the M.H. rooms 10 times over.
Some of the led lights you buy online arent powerfull enough or have The wrong color spectrum. This is why Some plants wont grow or flower underneath led lights. Hps lights are powerfull and consists out of all sorts of colorspectrums. plants can absorb which light color they need during that phase of there life.
I"m an aquaponic grower from Holland and using led growpanels for just 2 months now. In my choise between led panels hps or tl lights i used an report of university of Wageningen. They did research in what lights Will grow faster and such.. Conclusion is that plants underneath LED lights grow faster than hps lights. The led lights in the research were using different lightspectrums in the growing phase, flowering phase and seeding phase which are ideal for the plants.
@tadhg964 Perfect example. Now imagine if you would have used a 1000w LED that was even in energy consumption........They out preform HPS 100% of the time.
@savagebuster Its not a scam. If you know basic wavelengths and what is actually absorbed by the plant (common sense helps) its easy to have LED's designed for your specific requirements. The fact that you think buying a random LED light is what makes then "bad" it just goes to show that some people are too lazy to do a little research before opening their mouth.
@savagebuster led's aren't a scam if you know what your looking for.. 1w leds suck and r mostly made in china to scam so yes in a way people get scammed. if you wanna grow successfully wit led's you need to get 3w or 5w led lights to penetrate nicely.. which that also can be a scam. have to get the 3w or 5w light bulbs not the one's where there is 3 1w led in one led.
Yes, HPS is the closest thing to the sun when we’re talking about OLDFASHION GAS BULBS. LEDs can be ANY COLOR. HPS are mostly red, MOSTLY key word, and red isn’t the only color the plant needs… Again, the ONLY reason HPS is better is because of light intensity. I guarantee you put enough 3-5watt LEDs in a lamp with the proper lighting spectrum they will out preform ANY HPS or MH even if used in combo. It's simple math.
HPS have good intensity but the spectrum is all over the place the plant can not use most of the lights spectrum thus wasting energy. Also a lot heat is produced and even more energy that could be feeding the plant as light is wasted. With LEDs the proper spectrum is taken in to consideration, no energy wasted, Lower heat = more energy converted to light. The trick is to produce the correct intensity and fine tuned spectrum with the least amount of heat generated. That's why LEDs CAN be better.
@xerox165 actually HPS is mostly red light and it's closer to the best grow light (the sun), don't get me wrong I'm waiting for LED's to be ready, but I'm not sure they can be better for flowing atm
@xerox165 Yes, HPS is the closest thing to the sun when we’re talking about OLDFASHION GAS BULBS. LEDs can be ANY COLOR. HPS are mostly red, MOSTLY key word, and red isn’t the only color the plant needs… Again, the ONLY reason HPS is better is because of light intensity. I guarantee you put enough 3-5watt LEDs in a lamp with the proper lighting spectrum they will out preform ANY HPS or MH even if used in combo. It's simple math.
LEDs are just just ready yet. We tested the latest ones here in Holland but for flowering HPS is way better. A lot of LED manufacturers are showing beautiful flowering plants under LEDs that were actually flowered with a HPS. Its a scam, don't fall for it.
HPS AND MH are on the way out. They are inefficient. LED is just in the beginning stages. Forget an extra fan to cool off your light. Forget ridiculously high electricity bills.
LED's are better than HPS. You pay a litle more for quality LED lights, but in the end you end up saving money and getting better quality dank.(that's just my opinion btw)
well u can certainly tell that alot of these ppl dnt have the common sense to figure out that u ddnt mean the LED was LITERALLY DESIGNED for growing lol, But that these particular ones that are sold to grow were. THEY are the ones designed to grow. also theres a vid on here of 120w LED's ( think 2 of em) VS. 2x 1000w HPS's. LED's look a lot better. much more full and a darker nicer looking green leaves. also the "flowers" were very large and full of exactly wut ur lookin for in a nice "flower".
@kimar319 another one to check out is Lumigrow ES330... 5 watt led's, individual red and blue level controls, solid state light controls, heat synced very well. Expensive...but I'm going to get one after this grow cycle is done.
iirc from 10 yrs ago in hightimes, it was Wernard Bruining that worked with poot lighting in the late '70s /early '80s to trial/develop indoor growlights , then he founded positronics.
imho, HID's will outweigh LEDs for a good while, but as with all technology it takes lots of people buying substandard stuff to fund the development and manufacture of more affordable tech down the line.
We should be able to use the big growlight in the sky free from persecution and prosecution.
you have a great attitude and a nice guy not a smartass like some the no it alls.anyway point at hand,ive used both,as well even florecent my hps was good for flowering but you want a heat score and 50 to break your shit down then use hps,as well as sucks power like like flies on shit,but i got budige,now i have a 90w ufo not just a regular but a 90w plus 2 full spectrum,only sucks 90w cool to the touch,and like some dicklics putting ballasts on the floor,well fire,anyway its safe i got 6fters
@elm411 how bout you get your facts right... nasa created led lights in the early 90's to grow plants on the moon. since they didnt have all that great power up there leds was perfect for the job... enough said..
you explained that great,im just starting out,so much shit to learn,dont do this dont do that,fuckin ph up ph down ventalation,what ever happened to putting a seed in a pot,some sun,watering,fuck poof flower?dont get it?moreover when seeds are 100 plus,cant afford to be killen shit,out of 10 seeds female got 6 that lived im a beginner gardener,anyway to pleasent smells.
i watched ur grow box video they came out really great i wish i would have found u b4 i bought my tent cuz ur custom box iz more practical how big do ur boxes get??? im in a 5x5x6.5???
It is by no means new technology, it is really that it is just being introduced to the consumer market for horticulture.
The problem with LED's is, the variance in quality and consistency of quality with manufacturers. You're dealing with hundreds of distributors and dozens of factories producing on a mass scale. I've built my own modules for various uses, the only problem ever being quality consistency.
Also, my DIY's blow away prebuilt consumer modules.
LEDs require a fraction of the power of HPS and MH. They produce very little heat so they don't require ventilation systems to get rid of the heat. Because of this you don't have to worry about your plants burning. Also they don't require expensive ballasts to function at most a transformer. They have been around for along time for electronics and are getting cheaper because they are being used for more things. In my opinion LEDs are far superior to HPS or MH for all of these reasons.
The Led's are better to grow with but not all by them self, in combination of LED HPS an occasional blast of UV you can have the best plants in the world... LED is better cause you can make your color spectrum for what you want purples red blues are perfect. An Full Spectrum HPS bulbs
YES HPS were first used in cali in the 70's. The growers would take them right off the street. You would drive down some streets and they were void of any streetlights all being used to grow weed indoors.
sounds good now my only concern is with the excesive heat since im growin in a 4x5x12 closet in a apartment i cant make holes for ventilation would fans be suficient to reduce the heat or could i just switch from the 600 to the 400 watt hps i know the 600 has the best light conversion but im thinkin the heat might be to much in such a small space and plus im not tryn to grow more than two plants this is my second grow but my first iniside ide apreciate the advice
there are two types of HPS lights that give out different spectrums. one stright up red. the other its a mix of both blue and red. you can say that its a mixture of MH in the HPS.
had to come back and state once again. there is no comparing a 250 dollar 1000 hps to a piece of shit 500 dollar led panel which wont yield even.close to what the hps does.....and if you go to a 600 hps chances are you wont have to even buy shit to cool it. they dont get that hot. these led lites are all bark no bite...total trash waste of money.
sam it has nothing to do with dated. hps is the master of the universes son. the sun being the best...hps is second only to the sun. sorry but the fact is u will not yield the same hps will blow led away
do i need a circuit breaker to plug my 600 watt hps lamp into the mains,can i just plug it straight into the mains without a circuit breaker?,dont wanna blow myself to kingdom cum,
o i need a circuit breaker to plug my 600 watt hps lamp into the mains,can i just plug it straight into the mains without a circuit breaker?,dont wanna blow myself to kingdom cum,can anyone tell me,
@BongoBrido o i need a circuit breaker to plug my 600 watt hps lamp into the mains,can i just plug it straight into the mains without a circuit breaker?,dont wanna blow myself to kingdom cum,can anyone tell me,
There is conflicting information about LED because #1 some people have used them and others haven't.There's adjustments that have to be made when growing with LED. 2nd LED have a bad name is because we all know that some 1000w users STEAL the power to grow. Yeah cheaper power is hard to compete with free power. #3 hydro shop owners and grow box kings make money off all the added shit you need to cool 1000w systems. I almost bought your full grow kit until I seen this BS
There is conflicting information about LED because #1 some people have used them and others haven't.There's adjustments that have to be made when growing with LED. 2nd LED have a bad name is because we all know that some 1000w users STEAL the power to grow. Yeah cheaper power is hard to compete with free power. #3 hydro shop owners and grow box kings make money off all the added shit you need to cool 1000w systems. I almost bought your full grow kit until I seen this BS
Hwo are you trying to educate? Who died and made you god? A pathetic exuse for a life. You dont know shit,have you even tried LED? Guess you havent Igot three. Non biased ? You re dead biased.Fucking american!
they are junk.i own a hydro store and we did an experiment with a 650 red led and a 175 watt hps street light ..one plant under each,same strain and cloned from the same mother .the one under the led ended up with 2-3 inches between branches and the tiny little 175 watt hps (from a lamp post ) had an inch between. both failed during flowering but at least the hps ones looked like buds.the led ones were very empty and stringy.i think led is a great idea but they are still not worth the money.
@savagebuster haha!! I've done my own comparisons and I know you have an account with a distributor that gives you a larger profit margin on HID and so you spread bogus information. unless you use LED with a range of 630- 660nm there is no use even experimenting. STOP SPREADING BOGUS INFO. LED is here and worth it now. I think it's disgusting that we have energy issues to resolve as a planet and you are spreading misinformation about a product that could dramatically curb our energy usage.
@660nm420 LOL its funny you should make such a stupid argument.its all about profit and when your into profit you use whats best,both have been tried and LED failed the test.dont be stupid,if a person can make more money off one or the other thats the one id use...
Your name says it all and just because YOU are trying to be a distributor does not mean you should be lying to people about this...
@pcpdealer ya 400w led will beat 400w hid but isnt 90w led the equivelent of 400w hid? in your argument 400w led would be equivelent to 1800w + hid ? 1800w hid would grow 1800 grams 400w led would grow 400 grams
LED SUCK ASS. TRYED IT AND GOT NOTHING BUT POPCORN BUD .COMPARED TO THE HPS. SAME STRAIN . HUGE FATTYS. WHEN YU CAN BUY A 1000W LED FOR $150 I MIGHT TRY AGAIN.
@stoner3778 you must know not know how to grow or how to make small adjustments to the way that you've always grown. When you knoow how to use them they do just as good if not better and save mad $ every month, unless you steal your power than yeah start up cost is an issue, but I am able to easily move my flower LEDs between two opposite flower chambers to get a full 24 hour flower cycle and have already payed my previous systems off in less than a year from energy savings in California!
@stoner3778 you are a shitty gardener if you can't get LED to work for you. You may know how to follow simple directions on well thought out HPS systems but you obviously cant make the scientific adjustments needed to make other lights work for you. I remember 30 when we first brought gardens in doors and how much we had to perfect these systems for snot nosed kids like you that don't deserve the fruit of our labor. Bottom line, my $s will beat yours since I pay less for NRG.
I used 2 90w LEDs for veg and better then most light out there. Every one that hates on LEDs are poor and can not afford good ones. Or has never even had hands on real experience with them. I do agree LEDs are not the best for flowering but I do believe mix LEDs Red ,white and blue NMs with a lower wattage hps light will beat a higher wattage hps systems. Watt for watt led has the upper hand. To 400w of hps vs 400w of true LEDs, LEDs are going to blow that hps out the water no problem while sav
Wow I think you gave absolutely ZERO FACTS, but really the only logical explanation out there. Besides with all the alleged makers of the UFO out there who knows if you are getting leds or litebrite.
I came into this video pretty bias.... after hearing you say YOU HAVENT USED LED ... I was like oh fuck here we go again... but you know what, for a guy who admits not using them, you were Pretty BANG ON!!! they tell you right when you buy the LED ... " most productive for vegetation stage of plant "
@phytzi I have used LED and the flower cycle is there on allot of the newer units. Kessil is a new LED maker that is starting to really kick ass especially for flowering. Soo bright at only 36w a piece. You can pick up an excellent blackstar panel that works for flowering from Gotham Hydroponics for under $260 I also like the ISIS models for under $500. Haight Solid State and Stealth Grow kick major tail if you have the $cratch for that.
LED are good as CFL lights good for veg/grow (eco solution)....but there are useless for bloom as flowers need strong light to product nice buds...with led it can take longer ...9-10weeks to finish flowering time.....and result is too bad....so if someone have problem with security its better to use CFL lights coz u will get better result vs led where u have to mix colours to get right spectrum.....example with 250W cfl u can grow flower over 1meter tall and can have 20-30g from it....
Word didn't spread cause they are good for growing, it spread because they are cheap as hell to run but when it comes to growing you get what you pay for...use MH or HPS if you want anything that isn't crap or better yet, use the freaking sun
Use HPS through veg and flower. HPS gives your plants way stronger leaf and stem growth. Fuck buying multiple light systems! FUCK LEDS! I have been growing for over 10 years in Cali's med scene. Oh and no herme effects either! Hey douche, lame video. Nice fucking Sandals shirt! Hit your books a little harder and nice try.
a new way of using led to get better results and they made their master on that , so this tells leds are new and the efficiency of this will go bigger and bigger so we need some time to actually be able to compare. So i'd like to see you with your experience talk about this subject on a more scaled view. And you have to take in consideration that the earth is going green so more people will work on this and the valews of people will change ... so theres much factors to take in consideration..
The thing is that the del is a new technologie , we need some time to actually make them more usual on the market so it cost less. the led. Because when it cost less more people will buy it and more will test it... you will get more feedback from serveal type of buyers(beginner grower, cheap grower, vet and dedicated grower). But now, all we have is a new technologie, it very hard to size that new thin, it's all about speculation. I'm studying at university and people studying there came up with
First, very nice video.... why ?? Because the questions you talk about are very very goood.. and you answer them in a very good way.... i would make a video to answer you but im not enough confortable with english... Did you answer the questions you asked ??? Yes and... Yes because you answer the question very well because we have a pretty accurate answer. no because i think you only open the debate..... The questions should be considered on a bigger scale. to fully answer it....
Thanks for all the info. I have a better idea now about this type of indoor grow light. I was really thinking of switching to LEDs to see if I can get bigger yields than what I have been getting with HPS. Although you said that LEDs can really be very efficient in the veg stage, I still want to have the finest results until the final stage of my plants' growth. Since I haven't had any problem with HPS so far, I might stick with it instead coz I am quite satisfied with my grows.
i have done a time table with my plants 6-6-6-6 hours so i start by led, 6 hrs ,6 hrs of 600 hps ,6 hrs of led an 6 hrs o complete darkness and all my plants have more buds and they are more bigger but if u ue volcanic soil u will be chock by the result just test it and u will fly ......
I have experience with all three. I agree 100% with you. I went from 100w CFL to 3x90w LED UFOs to 400w HPS. I would use LEDs for Veg if they were as cheap as CFLs, however I will never EVER flower with them again.
Light is made up of high-energy particles that have measurable frequencies directly proportional to their energy level. Most people do not realize that your average beam of light is a vivid rainbow of energy, and that plants use MANY "wavelengths" of light, called, "photo-active radiation" PAR is just the light that the plant uses, and well, the simple truth is that almost nothing beats natural sunlight. LEDS are to spectrally insignificant, and HIDs arent perfect... But there is ONE WAY I know.
They go back to HPS because you get CHEAP ass LED"s that suck, like sunshine systems lights. That company is a outsourcing group of fuckheads and those are the 90 watt lights
With all the talk about cutting down the high wattages and still getting yield has anyone on here tried induction grow lighting? they're pretty impressive
lol, LED has been used eveywhere, like car lights, room lights, and so go on. Its more economic and got really bright light. HPS got perfect spectre for blooming. Don't talk about what you don't know please. But you did put some good info.
@SuperAgro1234 how can you say that 180 leds gives better results than hps profesionals are pissing them selves laughing at your comment your either a sandwich short of a picnic or just one sided towards the leds. leds are crap and are no better than flourecent tubes, i have only seen pathetic results with leds they may be bright but they are the wrong spectrum for plants
@soundwolf6 m8 i've been in the industry for 38 years i no where you are coming from when you slag leds but the newest tech led lighting pushing out at 220 ohmes frequency with red blue orange spectrum at 6:2:2 ratio will give you much better results than hps lights only problems is cost well over a grand us and by the way insulting someone does'nt achieve anything i can only sumise that you are not open to new technogies so live in the past dude
soundwolf6 sontiagrow lights are the best hands down ballanced spectrum specificly designed for growing we used to use a metal helide for vegiative then change to the hps for flowering or both at the same time but that is costly the sonti has a bright blue spectrum when you turn it on like the spectrum from a metal helide and then the orange spectrum takes over the spectrum from the hps, both specs r there its just that the orange over powers the blue. Sonti Agros are golden.
The HPS was designed for growing, The street lamps came later because they are better for less sky pollution. It all comes down to Kelven temps. LEDS are less heat and that is there greats plus. You should mix lights. I use both now.
We've used HID for yrs & tried LED grows from 2 different LED mfg. One 350 mA & one with 700 mA drivers. Forget LED with a 350 mA driver in the 600+ nanometer range. They claim alot but do not deliver. We've had excellent yields/results with inda-gro induction fixtures over two grows now. The 100 watt for our tents & for germ/clone & the 400 watt for our larger 6x6 areas. Like LED they produce little heat & are full spectrum so we use one light for the entire grow for a fraction of the costs
I have a 180 watt UFO LED with 2 watt diodes. I'm just starting my first grow with LED's and CFL's.. I don't have a big grow box so it's enough for my situation.
There are good LED's that flower just as good as HPS. You have to pay over a thousand dollars for it but in the long run you save money on electric bill and heat. Situation call for different lights. If you have a limited space and no AC you wouldn't want an HPS. The only viable option would be CFL and LED's.
now heres a question, can 4 26 watt cfls in a pc grow box carry a marijuana plant through its whole life? someone please answer i realy need to know thankyou =)
plants only use red and blue light to grow, but plants that are sensitive to not being in a natural environment may not grow well under led's. some plants are affected bad iff not subject to photo period change and temp change to re create season changing.
good lil talk , I 100% agree with you . Every1 knows that the led arnt the best but still do the job in hand , But not as much and not as big . But where i live if you dont want the police bashing down your door just get a cheap led of ebay as cheap as you can , no less than 90w and when you start the flowering stage chuck in a few low wattage cfls (80w to 90w) thats the only way to get a half decent smoke out of your hard work with leds . UNFORTUNATLY THEY ARE OVER PRICED !
HPS run at 550 degrees, theres no room for hps lamps in home grows. Anybody that use HPS/MH/HID gets there house raided simply cuz the cop chopper infra red cam see's the heat right out the roof. LED has no heat because all electricity is turned into light. No waste.
@insauga if you read the growers bible theres ways to hide heat signatures in that book also if you do a nice small legal indoor garden theres very very little heat
sigs?plus any led worth growing with are like 300watts and there around 1400 dollars where a nice 600watt hps is like 200 or a 400watt is 150 htgsupply
what if i have a thousand watt hps light and also the supernova together with my plants what do u think will happen will it affect my plants in a bad way? pm me if you got the answer plz asap. can we mix em?
i was thinking of growing some vegtables in a small walk in closet this winter. I have never seriously grown plants indoors and was thinking of getting a 400w hps light. Is this too much wattage for a small vegtable garden? And would the lamp generate too much heat without some sort of ventalation?
the problem is someone saw a spectral radiance graph, and tried using just FOUR wavelengths. chlorophyll reacts most to those four wavelengths, but plants use the ENTIRE spectrum, at least to some degree. led are marketing bs right now. the led companies should do their own damn research...not use us to test several generations of led. i'm positive led grow lights will surpass everything in a few years. for now, use what works.
I have never used LED's. The reason for this is I know a lot of folks personally who have. And as the poster of this video said, they seem to be great for veg. But not for flower. The people I have talked to that have used them say the difference is the light intensity.. So the "fruits" do not get that denseness needed. As for quality they say its just as good. And a few of them still use them for flower after spending the money they on them they decided to use them for something.
I think the lack of heat issues are what make LED's so attractive. I think two supernovas over a pair of 2x3 trays and between them hang one of the full spectrum line of 250 or 400 watt sunpulse bulbs (dif bulbs according to cycle). The sunpulse bulbs would really help balance the spectrum and the 1000 Kelvin bulb in the last two weeks adds lots of resin. They also run efficiently, last a long time, and stay very cool. Good, easy, inexpensive yields are definitely possible with some finesse.
What's really comical is that people sell 720nm LED grow lights and all people see are brilliant red glowing LED's. They don't realize that 720nm IR light is classified as "Near IR" and 100% invisible. So, if It's actually invisible light that your plants are using, I can grow plants to full maturity in total darkness. Plants don't have eyes! They don't need visible light!
...Any person can take any light and make their own IR light. I have used gel film in combinations of red and blue to cover a spotlight lens to block all visible light. When used at night with my night vision, the scene was bright due to the IR light that was allowed through the layers of red and blue. Blue blocks red and red blocks blue...all of which is visible. Block them both and all you get is invisible IR light. Your camera can see it. Thats one way to test it.
...It's the light source itself that is most important. Lumens have very little to do with IR or UV output. LED's have the most promise to deliver an exact IR wavelength, which is why the military uses them for their night vision optics. You can dial in an LED to an exact IR output. From there you increase the wattage for more IR output. The problem with LED sellers is It's their word to the strength of IR and you have no way to test it without expensive equipment. Buyer beware.
CFL and LEDS are similar as far as using inert gasses to create light. HPS lights use a glowing element. HPS lights put out very strong IR wavelengths at a hight cost. LED's put out IR light at low energy cost, but the technology is expensive. LED's use a diode to excite different gaseous elements to create different colors...blue being the most expensive. CFL Lights put out more of the blue spectrum although it is hard to see.
I dont see the sence in leds at all unless you veg a long time. i only veg for around 3 weeks and you barely need any watts worth or flors to do the job i think i use 100 watts worth of t5's for my veg set up.
Leds may be better in the future and i hope they are it would be great..You know i would like to see more side by side grows with leds vs hps lights and let us see the end results + dried wieght.
@PotHead416 soundwolf6 400w no closer than a foot away good ventilation and have a fan blowing the hot air away from the plant. have it blowing between the plant and the light and keep tying your plant down keeping all your tips even and at the same height and distance away from the light wich sould be a sonti agro 400w designed specificly for pot.
but i think eventually l.e.d.s will only get better! thats y the best tv's out now are l.e.d.s tv i work at a electronic store so i know =0 good video tho! i think u may be right....=S
how can you sit there and say leds are new technology?there from 1920s?cfl is
a new technology?But cfls dont claim to
out perform 400/600 or 1000 watt hps systems.thats why theres a light war going on.LEDS ARE CLAIMING THEY CAN OUTDO A 1000WATT HPS 600HPS AND A 400WATT HPS BUT they cant?thats why people are fighting(me included
@rockondon I know leds are not new just there specialized uses for growing. And this boils down to if i put a 400w hps up and 2 good 90 w led ufo's in 2 diffrent rooms with 4 clones under each from the same mother. Ok the yield dry from the 400hps side is 355 grams and the yield from the side with 2 90watt led ufo is 280 grams. You get much more per watt with the led vs hps and with way less heat led's are a very good option for some growers. I use both lighting together with awesome results now
90 watt led ufo are not all made equal. I have a few and been a grower for 8 years with hps and led. The 2 ufos i got from chine that was said to use 1 watt led's is 1/4 as powerfull as the 2 i got from a US vender. Make sure it is using a bridglux LED and chip. I love the resolts i get with my led but i have to use 65 watt 2700k CFL . these are huge CFL in a good K rating. I use 1 of the above mentioned clf per good 90 watt ufo to help with light penatration.. I get 20% more yeald per watt now
your a dickhead
Jootlash14 1 week ago
TO ALL THE STUPID PEOPLE. If you do BASIC research on wavelengths of light it is EASY to understand what LED setups you will need for your garden. If you buy a random LED panel off or ebay, you deserve to get shafted. It takes a few hours of reading and a little common sense and you will realize that LED's are in many ways more efficient in producing absorbable light. I have 2 large gardens that are run with groups of LED's. I prefer them to the M.H. rooms 10 times over.
TunasWorkShop 1 week ago
Some of the led lights you buy online arent powerfull enough or have The wrong color spectrum. This is why Some plants wont grow or flower underneath led lights. Hps lights are powerfull and consists out of all sorts of colorspectrums. plants can absorb which light color they need during that phase of there life.
Tanthovian015 3 weeks ago
I"m an aquaponic grower from Holland and using led growpanels for just 2 months now. In my choise between led panels hps or tl lights i used an report of university of Wageningen. They did research in what lights Will grow faster and such.. Conclusion is that plants underneath LED lights grow faster than hps lights. The led lights in the research were using different lightspectrums in the growing phase, flowering phase and seeding phase which are ideal for the plants.
Some of the led lights yo
Tanthovian015 3 weeks ago
changed from 1000W HPS (€350) to 300W LED (€550), Yield was the same, Electric Bill was 2/3 lower,
tadhg964 3 weeks ago
@tadhg964 Perfect example. Now imagine if you would have used a 1000w LED that was even in energy consumption........They out preform HPS 100% of the time.
TunasWorkShop 1 week ago
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I have always found that LED and HPS together make the best combination
MegaMarclar 2 months ago
Can't believe people are still falling for the led scam...
LED's might one day be designed for growing properly but they are not right now so dont waste your money on these scams....
savagebuster 2 months ago
@savagebuster Its not a scam. If you know basic wavelengths and what is actually absorbed by the plant (common sense helps) its easy to have LED's designed for your specific requirements. The fact that you think buying a random LED light is what makes then "bad" it just goes to show that some people are too lazy to do a little research before opening their mouth.
TunasWorkShop 1 week ago
@savagebuster led's aren't a scam if you know what your looking for.. 1w leds suck and r mostly made in china to scam so yes in a way people get scammed. if you wanna grow successfully wit led's you need to get 3w or 5w led lights to penetrate nicely.. which that also can be a scam. have to get the 3w or 5w light bulbs not the one's where there is 3 1w led in one led.
ledgrowingchamp 1 week ago
Yes, HPS is the closest thing to the sun when we’re talking about OLDFASHION GAS BULBS. LEDs can be ANY COLOR. HPS are mostly red, MOSTLY key word, and red isn’t the only color the plant needs… Again, the ONLY reason HPS is better is because of light intensity. I guarantee you put enough 3-5watt LEDs in a lamp with the proper lighting spectrum they will out preform ANY HPS or MH even if used in combo. It's simple math.
xerox165 2 months ago
HPS have good intensity but the spectrum is all over the place the plant can not use most of the lights spectrum thus wasting energy. Also a lot heat is produced and even more energy that could be feeding the plant as light is wasted. With LEDs the proper spectrum is taken in to consideration, no energy wasted, Lower heat = more energy converted to light. The trick is to produce the correct intensity and fine tuned spectrum with the least amount of heat generated. That's why LEDs CAN be better.
xerox165 3 months ago
@xerox165 actually HPS is mostly red light and it's closer to the best grow light (the sun), don't get me wrong I'm waiting for LED's to be ready, but I'm not sure they can be better for flowing atm
DarkShroom 2 months ago
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@xerox165 Yes, HPS is the closest thing to the sun when we’re talking about OLDFASHION GAS BULBS. LEDs can be ANY COLOR. HPS are mostly red, MOSTLY key word, and red isn’t the only color the plant needs… Again, the ONLY reason HPS is better is because of light intensity. I guarantee you put enough 3-5watt LEDs in a lamp with the proper lighting spectrum they will out preform ANY HPS or MH even if used in combo. It's simple math.
xerox165 2 months ago
LEDs are just just ready yet. We tested the latest ones here in Holland but for flowering HPS is way better. A lot of LED manufacturers are showing beautiful flowering plants under LEDs that were actually flowered with a HPS. Its a scam, don't fall for it.
robdetuinman2 3 months ago
I'm changing from 1k watt hps.
Melvinnn11 3 months ago
HPS AND MH are on the way out. They are inefficient. LED is just in the beginning stages. Forget an extra fan to cool off your light. Forget ridiculously high electricity bills.
LED's are better than HPS. You pay a litle more for quality LED lights, but in the end you end up saving money and getting better quality dank.(that's just my opinion btw)
BarefootArizona 4 months ago
Honestly, dont grow if you dont have at least a 150 w hps to flower.
czerwonymike 4 months ago
well u can certainly tell that alot of these ppl dnt have the common sense to figure out that u ddnt mean the LED was LITERALLY DESIGNED for growing lol, But that these particular ones that are sold to grow were. THEY are the ones designed to grow. also theres a vid on here of 120w LED's ( think 2 of em) VS. 2x 1000w HPS's. LED's look a lot better. much more full and a darker nicer looking green leaves. also the "flowers" were very large and full of exactly wut ur lookin for in a nice "flower".
DeeYBee 4 months ago
o and red 660mm, 630mm
yes yes yes
blue 460mm work
SuperAaron969 4 months ago
HI there got a video you mite like
HOW TO MAKE A LED GROW LIGHT 2011 NEW.wmv
i think it will help
500w = £170 not a £1000 do not get robbed
led do work wick with bud
SuperAaron969 4 months ago
If u want a real led grow light and have the money to spend check out advancedledlights website.
kimar319 4 months ago
@kimar319 another one to check out is Lumigrow ES330... 5 watt led's, individual red and blue level controls, solid state light controls, heat synced very well. Expensive...but I'm going to get one after this grow cycle is done.
Melvinnn11 3 months ago
iirc from 10 yrs ago in hightimes, it was Wernard Bruining that worked with poot lighting in the late '70s /early '80s to trial/develop indoor growlights , then he founded positronics.
imho, HID's will outweigh LEDs for a good while, but as with all technology it takes lots of people buying substandard stuff to fund the development and manufacture of more affordable tech down the line.
We should be able to use the big growlight in the sky free from persecution and prosecution.
stu4203 5 months ago
LED's were not designed for growing ROFL. They were around a long ass time ago, lighting the beer signs at a bar near you.
BIGMACDADDY23 6 months ago
you have a great attitude and a nice guy not a smartass like some the no it alls.anyway point at hand,ive used both,as well even florecent my hps was good for flowering but you want a heat score and 50 to break your shit down then use hps,as well as sucks power like like flies on shit,but i got budige,now i have a 90w ufo not just a regular but a 90w plus 2 full spectrum,only sucks 90w cool to the touch,and like some dicklics putting ballasts on the floor,well fire,anyway its safe i got 6fters
knight1768 6 months ago
sodium, excess light, chur!
led flowering looks scragley.
off to get a street lamp.
see ya in 8 weeks
bennyblanco2008 6 months ago
led lights are the future FACT.
veryfuck 7 months ago
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@veryfuck yea about 100 years in the future
ARJI1979 4 months ago
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jmillb007 7 months ago
hahahaha. This is the funniest shit I have ever seen. You ought to be embarrassed.
"......uh, I thunk this what them hps's is for, huhuh"
steezynate22 7 months ago
lol LEDs were NOT invented for growing please get your facts straight
elm411 7 months ago
@elm411
I wasn't saying that they were originally designed for growing. I was saying manufacturing them specifically for growing is a resistively new thing.
rjcw2 7 months ago 3
@elm411 how bout you get your facts right... nasa created led lights in the early 90's to grow plants on the moon. since they didnt have all that great power up there leds was perfect for the job... enough said..
ledgrowingchamp 1 week ago
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elm411 7 months ago
you explained that great,im just starting out,so much shit to learn,dont do this dont do that,fuckin ph up ph down ventalation,what ever happened to putting a seed in a pot,some sun,watering,fuck poof flower?dont get it?moreover when seeds are 100 plus,cant afford to be killen shit,out of 10 seeds female got 6 that lived im a beginner gardener,anyway to pleasent smells.
knight1768 7 months ago
i watched ur grow box video they came out really great i wish i would have found u b4 i bought my tent cuz ur custom box iz more practical how big do ur boxes get??? im in a 5x5x6.5???
bigchreezy 8 months ago
It is by no means new technology, it is really that it is just being introduced to the consumer market for horticulture.
The problem with LED's is, the variance in quality and consistency of quality with manufacturers. You're dealing with hundreds of distributors and dozens of factories producing on a mass scale. I've built my own modules for various uses, the only problem ever being quality consistency.
Also, my DIY's blow away prebuilt consumer modules.
It's just a gamble either way.
JonDeth 9 months ago
they were designed by nasa
mastodonseven 9 months ago
LEDs require a fraction of the power of HPS and MH. They produce very little heat so they don't require ventilation systems to get rid of the heat. Because of this you don't have to worry about your plants burning. Also they don't require expensive ballasts to function at most a transformer. They have been around for along time for electronics and are getting cheaper because they are being used for more things. In my opinion LEDs are far superior to HPS or MH for all of these reasons.
Submanca 9 months ago
The Led's are better to grow with but not all by them self, in combination of LED HPS an occasional blast of UV you can have the best plants in the world... LED is better cause you can make your color spectrum for what you want purples red blues are perfect. An Full Spectrum HPS bulbs
MrNeezy2012 9 months ago
and when useing led make sure to look at ur plants in real light. the leds make things look green when they may be yellow. have a good day everyone
215bull420 10 months ago
i havent seen 1000 hps VS 1000 led. i know costs are high. everone is like this = this. i say the true test is watt to watt
215bull420 10 months ago
ha 'fruits'
ipawdmaster 10 months ago
zdjecia by dal a nie pjerdoli
yelon1000 10 months ago
YES HPS were first used in cali in the 70's. The growers would take them right off the street. You would drive down some streets and they were void of any streetlights all being used to grow weed indoors.
marcjtdc 10 months ago
sounds good now my only concern is with the excesive heat since im growin in a 4x5x12 closet in a apartment i cant make holes for ventilation would fans be suficient to reduce the heat or could i just switch from the 600 to the 400 watt hps i know the 600 has the best light conversion but im thinkin the heat might be to much in such a small space and plus im not tryn to grow more than two plants this is my second grow but my first iniside ide apreciate the advice
dallasneckcutta 11 months ago
good info i was debating on the led lights but the hps sound much better will hps lights do both vege and flowering ive always wonderd that
dallasneckcutta 11 months ago
@dallasneckcutta
there are two types of HPS lights that give out different spectrums. one stright up red. the other its a mix of both blue and red. you can say that its a mixture of MH in the HPS.
Vision671PRODUCTION 11 months ago
I am an electrician, LED hits the full color spectrum. HPS hits the sweet spot "red" spectrum for flowering at a huge 32000 lumens.
USE LED and White CFL or tube fluorescent for veg.
White CFL and HPS for Flower.
For flowering, your lumen intensity beats full wave spectrum.
GuiltyWave 11 months ago
had to come back and state once again. there is no comparing a 250 dollar 1000 hps to a piece of shit 500 dollar led panel which wont yield even.close to what the hps does.....and if you go to a 600 hps chances are you wont have to even buy shit to cool it. they dont get that hot. these led lites are all bark no bite...total trash waste of money.
rickythepitbull 11 months ago
sam it has nothing to do with dated. hps is the master of the universes son. the sun being the best...hps is second only to the sun. sorry but the fact is u will not yield the same hps will blow led away
rickythepitbull 11 months ago
i use 2x200w cfl for veg,and 1x400w and 1x600w(hps)!
ssrider7 11 months ago
do i need a circuit breaker to plug my 600 watt hps lamp into the mains,can i just plug it straight into the mains without a circuit breaker?,dont wanna blow myself to kingdom cum,
ranaba006 11 months ago
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ranaba006 11 months ago
o i need a circuit breaker to plug my 600 watt hps lamp into the mains,can i just plug it straight into the mains without a circuit breaker?,dont wanna blow myself to kingdom cum,can anyone tell me,
ranaba006 11 months ago
LED's are perfect for tobacco according to your report... your not bothered about flowering... its' the leaves and the veg'ing what counts :)
BongoBrido 11 months ago
@BongoBrido o i need a circuit breaker to plug my 600 watt hps lamp into the mains,can i just plug it straight into the mains without a circuit breaker?,dont wanna blow myself to kingdom cum,can anyone tell me,
ranaba006 11 months ago
Less suck ass. Ill take my four 600 hps any day of the season
rickythepitbull 11 months ago
@rickythepitbull Well as everything in this world.
some people allow themselfs to get dated while others move on in technology.
LED is on par with HID now if you dont buy cheap units.
another 5 years and they will be better, flame all you want, as i said, you can stay dated.
just like other people still living in the 50s.
samljer 11 months ago
@ 660nm420 hey why dont you say something aboht my post?
concretejunk 11 months ago
There is conflicting information about LED because #1 some people have used them and others haven't.There's adjustments that have to be made when growing with LED. 2nd LED have a bad name is because we all know that some 1000w users STEAL the power to grow. Yeah cheaper power is hard to compete with free power. #3 hydro shop owners and grow box kings make money off all the added shit you need to cool 1000w systems. I almost bought your full grow kit until I seen this BS
660nm420 11 months ago
There is conflicting information about LED because #1 some people have used them and others haven't.There's adjustments that have to be made when growing with LED. 2nd LED have a bad name is because we all know that some 1000w users STEAL the power to grow. Yeah cheaper power is hard to compete with free power. #3 hydro shop owners and grow box kings make money off all the added shit you need to cool 1000w systems. I almost bought your full grow kit until I seen this BS
660nm420 11 months ago
Hwo are you trying to educate? Who died and made you god? A pathetic exuse for a life. You dont know shit,have you even tried LED? Guess you havent Igot three. Non biased ? You re dead biased.Fucking american!
gekkoization 11 months ago
@gekkoization LED rock! Not all of us americans are idiots!
660nm420 11 months ago
they are junk.i own a hydro store and we did an experiment with a 650 red led and a 175 watt hps street light ..one plant under each,same strain and cloned from the same mother .the one under the led ended up with 2-3 inches between branches and the tiny little 175 watt hps (from a lamp post ) had an inch between. both failed during flowering but at least the hps ones looked like buds.the led ones were very empty and stringy.i think led is a great idea but they are still not worth the money.
savagebuster 11 months ago
@savagebuster haha!! I've done my own comparisons and I know you have an account with a distributor that gives you a larger profit margin on HID and so you spread bogus information. unless you use LED with a range of 630- 660nm there is no use even experimenting. STOP SPREADING BOGUS INFO. LED is here and worth it now. I think it's disgusting that we have energy issues to resolve as a planet and you are spreading misinformation about a product that could dramatically curb our energy usage.
660nm420 11 months ago
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@660nm420
You`re so full of shit
zly81 11 months ago
@660nm420 LOL its funny you should make such a stupid argument.its all about profit and when your into profit you use whats best,both have been tried and LED failed the test.dont be stupid,if a person can make more money off one or the other thats the one id use...
Your name says it all and just because YOU are trying to be a distributor does not mean you should be lying to people about this...
LED's are junk .. Hps all the way.
savagebuster 2 months ago
@savagebuster you make more $ off HID systems don't you??
660nm420 11 months ago
@pcpdealer ya 400w led will beat 400w hid but isnt 90w led the equivelent of 400w hid? in your argument 400w led would be equivelent to 1800w + hid ? 1800w hid would grow 1800 grams 400w led would grow 400 grams
concretejunk 11 months ago
LED SUCK ASS. TRYED IT AND GOT NOTHING BUT POPCORN BUD .COMPARED TO THE HPS. SAME STRAIN . HUGE FATTYS. WHEN YU CAN BUY A 1000W LED FOR $150 I MIGHT TRY AGAIN.
stoner3778 11 months ago
@stoner3778 you must know not know how to grow or how to make small adjustments to the way that you've always grown. When you knoow how to use them they do just as good if not better and save mad $ every month, unless you steal your power than yeah start up cost is an issue, but I am able to easily move my flower LEDs between two opposite flower chambers to get a full 24 hour flower cycle and have already payed my previous systems off in less than a year from energy savings in California!
660nm420 11 months ago
@stoner3778 you are a shitty gardener if you can't get LED to work for you. You may know how to follow simple directions on well thought out HPS systems but you obviously cant make the scientific adjustments needed to make other lights work for you. I remember 30 when we first brought gardens in doors and how much we had to perfect these systems for snot nosed kids like you that don't deserve the fruit of our labor. Bottom line, my $s will beat yours since I pay less for NRG.
660nm420 11 months ago
"I dont know, but let me tell you" WTF
its the spectrum of the light, thats important for proper indoor growing
drewsmerdel 1 year ago
I used 2 90w LEDs for veg and better then most light out there. Every one that hates on LEDs are poor and can not afford good ones. Or has never even had hands on real experience with them. I do agree LEDs are not the best for flowering but I do believe mix LEDs Red ,white and blue NMs with a lower wattage hps light will beat a higher wattage hps systems. Watt for watt led has the upper hand. To 400w of hps vs 400w of true LEDs, LEDs are going to blow that hps out the water no problem while sav
yourPCPdealer 1 year ago
Wow I think you gave absolutely ZERO FACTS, but really the only logical explanation out there. Besides with all the alleged makers of the UFO out there who knows if you are getting leds or litebrite.
trurival 1 year ago
H.I.D IS THE WAY TO GO
R4St4MON420 1 year ago
@R4St4MON420 Nope!! LED is the way to go unless you steal your power, which increases your chances of running into trouble.
660nm420 11 months ago
I came into this video pretty bias.... after hearing you say YOU HAVENT USED LED ... I was like oh fuck here we go again... but you know what, for a guy who admits not using them, you were Pretty BANG ON!!! they tell you right when you buy the LED ... " most productive for vegetation stage of plant "
phytzi 1 year ago
@phytzi I have used LED and the flower cycle is there on allot of the newer units. Kessil is a new LED maker that is starting to really kick ass especially for flowering. Soo bright at only 36w a piece. You can pick up an excellent blackstar panel that works for flowering from Gotham Hydroponics for under $260 I also like the ISIS models for under $500. Haight Solid State and Stealth Grow kick major tail if you have the $cratch for that.
660nm420 11 months ago
LED are good as CFL lights good for veg/grow (eco solution)....but there are useless for bloom as flowers need strong light to product nice buds...with led it can take longer ...9-10weeks to finish flowering time.....and result is too bad....so if someone have problem with security its better to use CFL lights coz u will get better result vs led where u have to mix colours to get right spectrum.....example with 250W cfl u can grow flower over 1meter tall and can have 20-30g from it....
gardan66 1 year ago
Word didn't spread cause they are good for growing, it spread because they are cheap as hell to run but when it comes to growing you get what you pay for...use MH or HPS if you want anything that isn't crap or better yet, use the freaking sun
lazarus718 1 year ago
good video, what are your views on CFLs?
AnthoFlex 1 year ago
use the sun . retards u can grow good shit as long as u know what ur doing i could probally push a lb with a flashlight yall niggas is jokes
turftalk808 1 year ago
@turftalk808 hell naw that made my day thanks i
the1andonlyDonut 11 months ago
use the sun . retards u can grow good shit as long as u know what ur doing i could probally push a lb with a flashlight yall niggas is jokes.
turftalk808 1 year ago
I agree, LED's are good for veg but you will do way better with HPS in flower, even better with mixed spectrum.
Aside, video was mostly completely speculation...
you say LED's were pretty much developed for growing you think? theres no other reason for them? where the f have you been?
coloradocc 1 year ago
if all of you know so much of growing it
why don't you smoke it yo
i can't seem to get why stoners would fight each other
just chill right ?
daaaamn
MsBigbudsmoker 1 year ago
Use HPS through veg and flower. HPS gives your plants way stronger leaf and stem growth. Fuck buying multiple light systems! FUCK LEDS! I have been growing for over 10 years in Cali's med scene. Oh and no herme effects either! Hey douche, lame video. Nice fucking Sandals shirt! Hit your books a little harder and nice try.
Astonish70 1 year ago
@Astonish70 HPS is good for flower!! But I would use a MH for veg
YAGERBOMBS101 1 year ago
As for right now, LED's are just a little better than fluorescents
jayfiver 1 year ago
@jayfiver yeah but leds are 100s of dollars more compared to CFL's. Im talking like the lotus bulb type ones. Fuck your gay ass t5 setups!
Astonish70 1 year ago
HPS is old news. LED barely emits heat, and they last longer!
NO BRAINER...
brian8793 1 year ago
@brian8793 You ever flower with a led. Doesnt produce shit compared to HID. Do your homework dumb fuck.
Astonish70 1 year ago
you should consider them and develop about that ... you should make another video on this , it can't end like that
olirain 1 year ago
a new way of using led to get better results and they made their master on that , so this tells leds are new and the efficiency of this will go bigger and bigger so we need some time to actually be able to compare. So i'd like to see you with your experience talk about this subject on a more scaled view. And you have to take in consideration that the earth is going green so more people will work on this and the valews of people will change ... so theres much factors to take in consideration..
olirain 1 year ago
The thing is that the del is a new technologie , we need some time to actually make them more usual on the market so it cost less. the led. Because when it cost less more people will buy it and more will test it... you will get more feedback from serveal type of buyers(beginner grower, cheap grower, vet and dedicated grower). But now, all we have is a new technologie, it very hard to size that new thin, it's all about speculation. I'm studying at university and people studying there came up with
olirain 1 year ago
First, very nice video.... why ?? Because the questions you talk about are very very goood.. and you answer them in a very good way.... i would make a video to answer you but im not enough confortable with english... Did you answer the questions you asked ??? Yes and... Yes because you answer the question very well because we have a pretty accurate answer. no because i think you only open the debate..... The questions should be considered on a bigger scale. to fully answer it....
olirain 1 year ago
Thanks for all the info. I have a better idea now about this type of indoor grow light. I was really thinking of switching to LEDs to see if I can get bigger yields than what I have been getting with HPS. Although you said that LEDs can really be very efficient in the veg stage, I still want to have the finest results until the final stage of my plants' growth. Since I haven't had any problem with HPS so far, I might stick with it instead coz I am quite satisfied with my grows.
grower912 1 year ago
I love big fruits :)
CortexEffect94 1 year ago
i have done a time table with my plants 6-6-6-6 hours so i start by led, 6 hrs ,6 hrs of 600 hps ,6 hrs of led an 6 hrs o complete darkness and all my plants have more buds and they are more bigger but if u ue volcanic soil u will be chock by the result just test it and u will fly ......
sheeeraj04 1 year ago
i totally agree with you..led does work great for veg but u get twice as much bud from a hps light
trug724 1 year ago
ha ha. I'm 34,00 person to watch this. thumbs up
sheeplead 1 year ago
ya this was helpful it really cleared a few things up
monkeyman1234nm 1 year ago
I have experience with all three. I agree 100% with you. I went from 100w CFL to 3x90w LED UFOs to 400w HPS. I would use LEDs for Veg if they were as cheap as CFLs, however I will never EVER flower with them again.
headworm2 1 year ago
russians found that the pencils loose points could cause damage to spaceship electronics, so they decided to buy the NASA's pen!
mguedes 1 year ago
i personally would stick with hps until the new plasma lights come out, they will be about as expensive as LED's i bet
250w plasma light can damn near put out the same lumens as a 600w hps
Redspurple 1 year ago
Light is made up of high-energy particles that have measurable frequencies directly proportional to their energy level. Most people do not realize that your average beam of light is a vivid rainbow of energy, and that plants use MANY "wavelengths" of light, called, "photo-active radiation" PAR is just the light that the plant uses, and well, the simple truth is that almost nothing beats natural sunlight. LEDS are to spectrally insignificant, and HIDs arent perfect... But there is ONE WAY I know.
Aaronator01 1 year ago
Led are junk.Maybe in 10 years they will have figured it out fuck spending over a grand for nothing
youarenotverysmart 1 year ago
@youarenotverysmart you sir, have a long way to go.
nuen8 1 year ago
excellent thoughtful review. Now I notice led are geting very cheap
cbe059 1 year ago
They go back to HPS because you get CHEAP ass LED"s that suck, like sunshine systems lights. That company is a outsourcing group of fuckheads and those are the 90 watt lights
JoHaN1391 1 year ago
very good points!
YourADrag 1 year ago
With all the talk about cutting down the high wattages and still getting yield has anyone on here tried induction grow lighting? they're pretty impressive
adamskilski 1 year ago
Wow thanks man!
Ive only watched 2 of your videos so far but you explained things so vividly and honest that Ima hit subscribe haha
But say how much was that led panel that you sold?
roopdogg562 1 year ago
soundwolf6 sonti agro=hps x metal helide mixed spectrum designed for marajuana
soundwolf6 1 year ago
lol, LED has been used eveywhere, like car lights, room lights, and so go on. Its more economic and got really bright light. HPS got perfect spectre for blooming. Don't talk about what you don't know please. But you did put some good info.
AriesKeK 1 year ago
Great info buddy, im an old school grower and i think your ver un bias in your point of veiw. Keep it up.
suburbanoize420 1 year ago
dude 180watt leds will give you better results than hps lighting on any grow if you use blue red spectrom
SuperAgro1234 1 year ago
@SuperAgro1234 how can you say that 180 leds gives better results than hps profesionals are pissing them selves laughing at your comment your either a sandwich short of a picnic or just one sided towards the leds. leds are crap and are no better than flourecent tubes, i have only seen pathetic results with leds they may be bright but they are the wrong spectrum for plants
soundwolf6 1 year ago
@soundwolf6 m8 i've been in the industry for 38 years i no where you are coming from when you slag leds but the newest tech led lighting pushing out at 220 ohmes frequency with red blue orange spectrum at 6:2:2 ratio will give you much better results than hps lights only problems is cost well over a grand us and by the way insulting someone does'nt achieve anything i can only sumise that you are not open to new technogies so live in the past dude
SuperAgro1234 1 year ago
soundwolf6 sontiagrow lights are the best hands down ballanced spectrum specificly designed for growing we used to use a metal helide for vegiative then change to the hps for flowering or both at the same time but that is costly the sonti has a bright blue spectrum when you turn it on like the spectrum from a metal helide and then the orange spectrum takes over the spectrum from the hps, both specs r there its just that the orange over powers the blue. Sonti Agros are golden.
soundwolf6 1 year ago
THIS IS ACUALLY GOOD INFO MAN THANKS
freshkillz420 1 year ago
im a huge supporter of cfls hps and t5s..the 90 watt led ufo claims it covers a 9x9
area and replaces a 400watt hps?hidhut.com.HPS WORKS GREAT AS LONG as
you buy a full spectrum bulb.but cfls are great for poor growers like me :) cfls and
hps are cheap t5s are cheap to
rockondon 1 year ago
The HPS was designed for growing, The street lamps came later because they are better for less sky pollution. It all comes down to Kelven temps. LEDS are less heat and that is there greats plus. You should mix lights. I use both now.
silverpizza100 1 year ago
We've used HID for yrs & tried LED grows from 2 different LED mfg. One 350 mA & one with 700 mA drivers. Forget LED with a 350 mA driver in the 600+ nanometer range. They claim alot but do not deliver. We've had excellent yields/results with inda-gro induction fixtures over two grows now. The 100 watt for our tents & for germ/clone & the 400 watt for our larger 6x6 areas. Like LED they produce little heat & are full spectrum so we use one light for the entire grow for a fraction of the costs
annahasier 1 year ago
I have a 180 watt UFO LED with 2 watt diodes. I'm just starting my first grow with LED's and CFL's.. I don't have a big grow box so it's enough for my situation.
There are good LED's that flower just as good as HPS. You have to pay over a thousand dollars for it but in the long run you save money on electric bill and heat. Situation call for different lights. If you have a limited space and no AC you wouldn't want an HPS. The only viable option would be CFL and LED's.
marvelous211 1 year ago
now heres a question, can 4 26 watt cfls in a pc grow box carry a marijuana plant through its whole life? someone please answer i realy need to know thankyou =)
reptiguy5000 1 year ago
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marvelous211 1 year ago
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i would just l;ike to point out that mrwitgenstein sells led grow lights so he is sharking for business!!!!!!!
look on fleabay for proof...also beleives you can put 600w of power in and get 2666watts of light out....lmao.
almost wet myself at his reply as he is incapable of anything but insults and expletives,otherwise i would post it
schmokinn 1 year ago
i would just l;ike to pint out that mrwitgenstein sells led grow lights so he is sharking for business!!!!!!!
look on fleabay for proof...also beleives you can put 600w of power in and get 2666watts of light out....lmao.
almost wet myself at his reply as he is incapable of anything but insults and expletives,otherwise i would post it
schmokinn 1 year ago
@david9562 have you seen the led ufo claims?redick-ulous lol check out hidhuts
claims
rockondon 1 year ago
I LOVE HOW LED GROWERS (THINK)HPS GROWERS ARE UNEDUCATED LOL
THE HPS/MH GROWERS have all the meds..they dont supplement with cfls lol
rockondon 1 year ago
plants only use red and blue light to grow, but plants that are sensitive to not being in a natural environment may not grow well under led's. some plants are affected bad iff not subject to photo period change and temp change to re create season changing.
ph33ric 1 year ago
Why not both?
PinchedNerves 1 year ago
led wins
GreenThumbDK 1 year ago
good lil talk , I 100% agree with you . Every1 knows that the led arnt the best but still do the job in hand , But not as much and not as big . But where i live if you dont want the police bashing down your door just get a cheap led of ebay as cheap as you can , no less than 90w and when you start the flowering stage chuck in a few low wattage cfls (80w to 90w) thats the only way to get a half decent smoke out of your hard work with leds . UNFORTUNATLY THEY ARE OVER PRICED !
shepilon 1 year ago
HPS run at 550 degrees, theres no room for hps lamps in home grows. Anybody that use HPS/MH/HID gets there house raided simply cuz the cop chopper infra red cam see's the heat right out the roof. LED has no heat because all electricity is turned into light. No waste.
insauga 1 year ago
@insauga if you read the growers bible theres ways to hide heat signatures in that book also if you do a nice small legal indoor garden theres very very little heat
sigs?plus any led worth growing with are like 300watts and there around 1400 dollars where a nice 600watt hps is like 200 or a 400watt is 150 htgsupply
rockondon 1 year ago
@insauga NO ROOM FOR HPS IN HOME GROWS?99PERCENT OF HOME GROWS
ARE HPS RIGHT?
rockondon 1 year ago
my led christmas lights arent even reliable..hps cfl and t5s for ..leds are the oldest
technology cfls are from 1973
rockondon 1 year ago
what if i have a thousand watt hps light and also the supernova together with my plants what do u think will happen will it affect my plants in a bad way? pm me if you got the answer plz asap. can we mix em?
GAMEFREAKZ559 1 year ago
i was thinking of growing some vegtables in a small walk in closet this winter. I have never seriously grown plants indoors and was thinking of getting a 400w hps light. Is this too much wattage for a small vegtable garden? And would the lamp generate too much heat without some sort of ventalation?
ryanmetzler3 1 year ago
well said
WEBUILTTHISHOUSE 1 year ago
the problem is someone saw a spectral radiance graph, and tried using just FOUR wavelengths. chlorophyll reacts most to those four wavelengths, but plants use the ENTIRE spectrum, at least to some degree. led are marketing bs right now. the led companies should do their own damn research...not use us to test several generations of led. i'm positive led grow lights will surpass everything in a few years. for now, use what works.
cstavro 1 year ago
can you mix led with hps lights?
10tempuras 1 year ago
I have never used LED's. The reason for this is I know a lot of folks personally who have. And as the poster of this video said, they seem to be great for veg. But not for flower. The people I have talked to that have used them say the difference is the light intensity.. So the "fruits" do not get that denseness needed. As for quality they say its just as good. And a few of them still use them for flower after spending the money they on them they decided to use them for something.
humboldtnipsey 1 year ago
good info thanks!
Roxs90 1 year ago
lol why would you spend extra for LED's if you're on a budget for vent, energy bills, etc.
BongsIzRippin 1 year ago
noob
SuperGrowPlants 1 year ago
I saw a gallery, and there's some intensely outrageous looking stuff on there. Take a look at it, just go to ufosecretXnet (replace X with . )
JaYFiYaH718 1 year ago
Read up on PAR and light spectrum required for photosynthisis
teflondon91 1 year ago
I think the lack of heat issues are what make LED's so attractive. I think two supernovas over a pair of 2x3 trays and between them hang one of the full spectrum line of 250 or 400 watt sunpulse bulbs (dif bulbs according to cycle). The sunpulse bulbs would really help balance the spectrum and the 1000 Kelvin bulb in the last two weeks adds lots of resin. They also run efficiently, last a long time, and stay very cool. Good, easy, inexpensive yields are definitely possible with some finesse.
triage911 1 year ago
LED is crap. HPS eradicates them.
SuperGrowPlants 1 year ago
ive been doin alittle research on these lights also, and i found this other video, weather its true or not, it shows a comparison..
90w LED UFO Comparison 400w HPS
badunkadunkonthat 1 year ago
a 600watt is the most cost effective at the most you would spend 20 25 bucks a month
smitty04055 1 year ago
leds dont work on there own in bud.leds came out in 1920 old technology.cfls also
old technology 1973?but cfls will budd plants and ufos veg plants..or cfls will do
all
rockondon 1 year ago
What's really comical is that people sell 720nm LED grow lights and all people see are brilliant red glowing LED's. They don't realize that 720nm IR light is classified as "Near IR" and 100% invisible. So, if It's actually invisible light that your plants are using, I can grow plants to full maturity in total darkness. Plants don't have eyes! They don't need visible light!
ReadyPrepper 1 year ago
@ReadyPrepper bout time someone spoke up
rockondon 1 year ago
...Any person can take any light and make their own IR light. I have used gel film in combinations of red and blue to cover a spotlight lens to block all visible light. When used at night with my night vision, the scene was bright due to the IR light that was allowed through the layers of red and blue. Blue blocks red and red blocks blue...all of which is visible. Block them both and all you get is invisible IR light. Your camera can see it. Thats one way to test it.
ReadyPrepper 1 year ago
...It's the light source itself that is most important. Lumens have very little to do with IR or UV output. LED's have the most promise to deliver an exact IR wavelength, which is why the military uses them for their night vision optics. You can dial in an LED to an exact IR output. From there you increase the wattage for more IR output. The problem with LED sellers is It's their word to the strength of IR and you have no way to test it without expensive equipment. Buyer beware.
ReadyPrepper 1 year ago
CFL and LEDS are similar as far as using inert gasses to create light. HPS lights use a glowing element. HPS lights put out very strong IR wavelengths at a hight cost. LED's put out IR light at low energy cost, but the technology is expensive. LED's use a diode to excite different gaseous elements to create different colors...blue being the most expensive. CFL Lights put out more of the blue spectrum although it is hard to see.
ReadyPrepper 1 year ago
Led is only good if your going to go with co2, you don't need a vent cuz heat is low so you can benifit with the extra c02 in air.
cagedchild 1 year ago
I dont see the sence in leds at all unless you veg a long time. i only veg for around 3 weeks and you barely need any watts worth or flors to do the job i think i use 100 watts worth of t5's for my veg set up.
Leds may be better in the future and i hope they are it would be great..You know i would like to see more side by side grows with leds vs hps lights and let us see the end results + dried wieght.
syko77 1 year ago
what do you think is the best hps wattage for a 4 foot by 2 foot closet?
PotHead416 1 year ago
@PotHead416 250watt or an 85dollar free shipping 150watt hps @htgsupply
rockondon 1 year ago
@PotHead416 soundwolf6 400w no closer than a foot away good ventilation and have a fan blowing the hot air away from the plant. have it blowing between the plant and the light and keep tying your plant down keeping all your tips even and at the same height and distance away from the light wich sould be a sonti agro 400w designed specificly for pot.
soundwolf6 1 year ago
thanks for all your vids they are great, very informative.
isthiswhereitype1 2 years ago
but i think eventually l.e.d.s will only get better! thats y the best tv's out now are l.e.d.s tv i work at a electronic store so i know =0 good video tho! i think u may be right....=S
420kayoe420 2 years ago
how can you sit there and say leds are new technology?there from 1920s?cfl is
a new technology?But cfls dont claim to
out perform 400/600 or 1000 watt hps systems.thats why theres a light war going on.LEDS ARE CLAIMING THEY CAN OUTDO A 1000WATT HPS 600HPS AND A 400WATT HPS BUT they cant?thats why people are fighting(me included
led companies trying to mislead for big cash
rockondon 2 years ago
@rockondon I know leds are not new just there specialized uses for growing. And this boils down to if i put a 400w hps up and 2 good 90 w led ufo's in 2 diffrent rooms with 4 clones under each from the same mother. Ok the yield dry from the 400hps side is 355 grams and the yield from the side with 2 90watt led ufo is 280 grams. You get much more per watt with the led vs hps and with way less heat led's are a very good option for some growers. I use both lighting together with awesome results now
tdsbigdady 1 year ago
@tdsbigdady show me yer results because 1 90 led ufo claims to replace my 400
hps..1 ufo REPLACES 400-600WATT HPS
rockondon 1 year ago
90 watt led ufo are not all made equal. I have a few and been a grower for 8 years with hps and led. The 2 ufos i got from chine that was said to use 1 watt led's is 1/4 as powerfull as the 2 i got from a US vender. Make sure it is using a bridglux LED and chip. I love the resolts i get with my led but i have to use 65 watt 2700k CFL . these are huge CFL in a good K rating. I use 1 of the above mentioned clf per good 90 watt ufo to help with light penatration.. I get 20% more yeald per watt now
tdsbigdady 2 years ago
doesnt bridgelux only make blue leds though?
rockondon 2 years ago