Lose faith in something you can't prove to exist compared to believe in the power of humanity?
I am sorry I rather we lose blind faith and go for actual faith. Faith in ourselves and each other. I want a world where God doesn't take credit for my kindness. I'll be responsible for my own sins.
@lucian06207 Actually the forefathers are mostly unbelievers. Most of the great minds are unbelievers. Separation of Church and State, stop violating it.
All u ppl will find out soon i feel sorry for tha unbelievers God is gonna send jesus soon and who cares bout america this country is fucked the four fathers know this too
Faith in what? Fictitious characters in some book written by various men from thousands of years ago? All organized religion is interested in is one thing, power and control. Most people who subscribe to such rubbish are also only in it for themself, thinking that if they do as their religion says they should, they will be "saved".
I dont appreciate my comment being removed..Comments should not be voted on I think. "You will see God for yourself when you die". For HE is real!!!! Accept or deny him is up to you. Its not a religion that will get you to Heaven.Its if you have accepted Jesus as your Savior that will get you there.Try God and see if you dont find him is all I ask. Dont knock it, till you try it.. He will give you peace and love that this world cant give you.May God touch you all. Love ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@dhearndon Prove that your god is real, and while you're at it prove that you have the right god and that every other god is false.
Do you also apply your idiotic "Don't knock it till you try it" line to crack cocain?
I have no more reason to believe in your god than the Hindu Gods or old pagan gods, your religion spread by terror and violence, at the point of the sword and by turning villages against themselves, by distorting and demonizing every other religion and outlawing disbelief.
Dude, I'm not going to get into a big religious debate because this will keep going on and on and on and your not going to change your mind about what you believe and same about me too. Each person is different and each believes what they believe.End of story.
That this world cant give you because people rely to much on afterlife being nice to act in a decent way in this life wich if it's the one and only will be lost because of this kind of reasonning...
When you die and you see the real God face to face in judgement you know He is real then. It will be too late for you. The devil will make things seem nice without a God but you will be searching for something in your life and I hope it is for God himself. Test God and see if He isnt real. If you havent then how will you know. He has been the best thing in my life. I bet if another 911 would happen to the USA, what is the odds of people flocking to prayer and the church?
What kind of god has to threaten people with eternal torture to secure their worship? What kind of god puts it's word in a book written by men and distributed by men? What kind of god relies on a book to spread it's message?
A god that exists only in the mind. You want me to test your god? Fine get it to come out of your head and submit to a few tests, because studies have already shown that prayer doesn't work and the Bible is about as historically accurate as the Spider Man comic strip.
God him self is the beginning and the end of this world..If you want Him,you ask Him to come into your life and see if He doesn't do great things for you. I didn't say TEST God,I said TRY God for yourself. Have you tried God at all? Or do you just want to put Him down? Now how can you study prayer? I know they work is all that counts. Why do people write books? To spread a message or a tell a story. Have you read the Bible at all? The Bible is very accurate.Not 1 lie in it.
@dhearndon Your god didn't say anything. The Bible was written by man, not a god. You want me to test god? Fine, I challenge your god to strike my rose bush with lightning by 4:00 PM Central Time today 2/2/10.
I'll be back in an hour when it doesn't happen.
Most Atheist sincerely believed in your imaginary tyrant at some point, and even Christian groups have studied prayer and showed that it has no effect. Yes I've read the Bible, and it's a vile and evil book, no better than the Quran.
Quit saying that I said "Test God".I said "Try God" which means to accept Him as your Savior and see if you cant feel Him real then. You cant see wind, but you can feel it blowing. You cant see God, and you can feel Him too. You cant test God like that. What in the world do you believe in anyways?
@dhearndon Which god should I try first? Maybe I should start with Shiva? Ohhhh wait YOUR GOD, because you're right, and everyone else deserves to be tortured forever right?
Hindus can Feel their gods too, you can feel all sorts of things, your personal feelings don't prove that a god exists. Unlike your god wind is a real physically tangible thing.
I believe in all sorts of things, but I don't believe in the supernatural and I don't believe in your man made god.
@dhearndon Yeah I'm stupid for not believing in your invisible intangible god. Your god is no more real than any other god, and no less man made. You know your god is real the same way Hindus know their gods are real.
Yeah, it's always the same... Muslim say their god is the one, jews say the same... How can you be so sure that's the good one ? Because you feel it or were educated like this, how arrogant that sounds to others ? BTW, there are some people who just can't believe in such things, like you can't believe in Santa, even if your life depended on it, you just couldn't... And atheists are the stupid ones...
Because I believe there is but one TRUE GOD and its the God who created this earth you walk on,the air you breath,the food you eat and he created you. What has other gods done? Tell me that. People have the right to worship whatever God they believe in. I'm just saying who I believe in is all.
No you are not just saying, you're threatening people of eternal torture for not believing the same god as you...
BTW, the god you believe in condemned knowingly millions of people who had no chance to only know Jesus ever existed...
If you'd informed yourself a little you should know that other gods created earth also, like hinduist god or any others. There's no reason at all to believe one's more real than the other, except what's been implanted in your brain...
Nonsense ? That's how you justify your ignorance and how uneducatedyou really are... You can't cancel all the people that had no chance to only know that Jesus and christianity ever existed (indians, mongols, vikings...) all condemned to hell and i'm the one making no sense... I understand it bugs you that some one shows how deeply stupid and irrational your belief is...
I am not uneducated. I never did say everybody else is going to hell. You did!! I don't like how you are judging a complete stranger. I feel like I'm in the middle of Sodom and Gomorrah. I gotta get out of here and not turn back. BYE!!!!
Didn't you say "Its not a religion that will get you to Heaven.Its if you have accepted Jesus as your Savior that will get you there."
BTW, you don't adress only one point i made about the absurdity of your religion... And if we're not condemned for not believing, what's the point in believing ? You go from one absurdity to another...
You got to get out because out of valuable argument, that's all...
And I was not judging you but your belief system... How convenient to distort what i said...
I could point out that due to things like leap year and calender changes throughout the centuries today's saturday is probably not the original saturday. So the only thing you're arguing about is a name. kinda silly
Newton was very religious. I fact, more then half of his work was devoted to decode the bible.
I understand the nature of religion, as an evolutionary brain feature (which has been proved by experiment - watch "God on the brain BBC"). Altogether I'm deeply sad about such a time waste. We'd be biologically immortal and would configure our galaxy right now, if is't not for religion.
bcoz religion is NOT REAL Its simply based off the sun (Suns lowest point = 24th December & on 25th Sun rises by 1 degree thus startin the process of life or more of it. Dark vs Light etc Relgion is truely the biggest BS story goin and any money put in it doesnt get taxed. This and the Monatary system (financial) does NOT work
If ya dont believe me go & watch Zeitgeist free @ Google Videos
I apologise if anyone is offended, i kno people will, but its a truth that & many are being misled.
i'm glad people are starting to wake up. starting to realize that there's no invisible hand guiding their life, and that every decision has a consequence
truth was never popular. humanity is fallen and grovels in darkness, evil, perversion, tyrany and lies. this world rejects God so the wise reject this world and its lying flattery and pretense. wide is the path but narrow the gate, the black one stands on the seashore. the children are cold but the fire is hot, the black one stands on the seashore
The Spirit of God is being withdrawn from the fallen churches which have the appearance of godliness but deny the power. The Sabbath is the seal of God, not Sunday.
Instructions to Timothy 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Well, this isn't good. Who can you turn to when you feel alone? Certainly not anyone that'll make it worse. God won't make it worse. God'll make it better for you.
Yes, God is kinda like a friend who you think isn't listening, and never talks to you, and when you look around, they're not actually there. But when you ask them really specifically for something... well, they still don't answer. But if you find like $10 bucks on the street or something, well, you can thank them for it... but they don't say "you're welcome". They're the kinda friend that kinda sucks that way. Stupid invisible friend.
Why can't we just accept that no one is listening. Perhaps then we'll stop depending on magic and god's will and find the solution to solve humanities problems.
Not me. Still plenty of faith. Used to be an atheist. So I guess I'm against the trend there. I do understand why many are feeling distant from their religions and know many who are that this applies to.
I also believe in love, empathy, compassio, respect, helping the poor, not scapegoating or demonizing those different and keeping religion seperated from government.
@daderone Did you really used to be an Atheist, or were you just one of those people that neglected their faith for a while and thought that they were an Atheist? If you still had some kind of belief in god, however faint, you weren't really an Atheist. An Atheist doesn't just opt out of organized religion, they firmly reject the idea that god exists.
@muterabbit no I chose to identify myself as atheist for a couple of years in my youth, never really neglected my faith as much as I also used to neglect myself. It wasn't until leading up to my Bar Mitzvah that this was challenged by a true desire and love for my own religion. Later in life I also went thru a departure of faith by my own choice and decided my faith was more a matter of my cultural life rather than something religious. Today I have come full circle to have more faith and love.
@daderone That's what I figured. Since I'm an Atheist, I become skeptical whenever a religious person claims that they used to be an Atheist. Although it might be possible for a real Atheist to adopt a religion, it's highly unlikely. It's kind of like when a kid finds out that fairies aren't real: once they know, it's pretty much impossible for them to go back to believing in their existence. I hope that makes sense.
@muterabbit what did you figure? Like I said, I was an atheist when I was younger. A real atheist? Is that like being a 'real Christian'? I always find it odd when those who reject faith act like their lack of faith is a religion and that there is some litmus test to being atheist. There isn't. I was an atheist and now am not. you seem to have not understood.
@daderone Being an authentic Atheist has nothing to do with Atheism being a religion. Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is a hair color. What it really boils down to is a proper definition. Merriam-Webster defines "Atheist" as follows:
"one who believes that there is no deity"
If you at one point in your life believed that deities do not exist, then you were an Atheist. If however you still had some lingering belief in at least one deity, then you weren't really an Atheist.
@muterabbit and when did you become the ultimate decider on who is and isn't a good authentic atheist? Like I said for the third time, I used to be an atheist. How about you, were you ever religious?
@daderone Please don't strawman me. I'm not taking the position that I'm the only person on Earth qualified to decide what an authentic Atheist is, I'm pointing to the the dictionary definition of an Atheist. Dictionaries are there to help us come to a consensus about what words mean. You can have your own personal definition of a word if you like, but that doesn't mean its a definition that everyone will accept.
@daderone Did you or did you not believe in a deity during that short period in your life that you thought you were an Atheist? If the answer is no, then according to the agreed upon dictionary definition, you were an Atheist. If the answer is yes, then according to the agreed upon dictionary definition, you were not an Atheist. It's that simple.
@daderone And yes, I did used to be religious. I used to be a Seventh-Day Adventist, which is a type of Christian. Being an Atheist or not being an Atheist is not the same as being religious or not being religious. With Atheism, you have a simple dictionary definition to go off of, but with religion, your status is based off of all sorts of behaviors, beliefs, and your passion for your faith.
@muterabbit seems like you're more interested in justifying your own perspective and path than understanding my own. Really I have no interest or need in explaining it further, I've given you plenty of answers which should be more than satisfactory. I told you each time after your comments my status of belief during various stages of my life, if you think its in question or for you to question thats on you. I frankly have no need or desire to prove or jump thru hoops to satisfy your curiosity.
@daderone This has nothing to do with my path or your path, it has to do with a simple, objective dictionary definition that translates to a simple question and a simple answer. If you are unwilling to give a simple answer to a simple question, then I suspect that you just don't want to admit that you may have been mistaken in your belief that you used to be an Atheist. I have no interest in making you jump through hoops for some perverse entertainment, I'm interested in the truth.
@muterabbit the problem you seem to be having is that of accepting the answer others give you. I've answered you about a half dozen times.
I used to be an atheist and now have returned to my religion of birth.
Thats the truth, your definitions included so the question remaining is whether you can accept that and move on to bigger and better things in this universe. I hope so because I'm not sure I know how to make myself more clear without repeating myself as I've done.
@daderone I used only one definition and it comes from the Merriam-Webster English Dictionary, so it's not my definition, it's everyone's definition. Dictionaries contain definitions for words that we've all agreed upon so that when somebody talks about a certain word, we all know what they're talking about. If we only went off of our personal definitions for words, there would be a lot of confusion. If you were an Atheist according to the dictionary definition, then that's all I wanted to know.
@daderone I don't know how many former Atheists are genuine, I just know that whenever one offers their testimony, religious people tend to get the idea that Atheism is just a temporary phase not to be taken seriously, perhaps a rebellious phase that people only go through when they're young. I've observed the words of a number of different people who claim to be former Atheists, yet they sound as though they never left their faith at all.
@muterabbit I think its fair to say that we're talking about your opinion here now. I can only speak for myself, you seem to be real interested in broader generalizations about groups of people. I might sound as though I've never left my faith because I, today, right now have faith.
To me personally when I tell you that I did, and share my experiance with you then I think it sounds like I'm telling you about a point in time when I lost my faith. So I'm not sure what exactely confuses you.
@daderone I guess if anything confuses me, it's how you could become an Atheist and then switch back to Judaism. Like I said before, once you've been convinced that something without any evidence of its existence available does not exist, it's practically impossible to go back to believing in its existence and ignoring the lack of evidence for its existence. What was the thought process that led you to become an Atheist and what was the thought process that drew you back to Judaism?
@muterabbit Then just ask. I was obviously convinced that I was wrong in being an Atheist. I've seen a lot in my days, some things miraculous, somethings horrible, something divine and beautiful. All have shaped me and were factors at that point in my life as well. I think its funny that you say without any evidence. I look and see G-d all around us, everywhere and in the tiniest facets of life, world..all. I'll add more to this tomorrow when I have more time about my thought process.
@daderone I said "without any evidence" because there is none. The sort of "evidence" that you're describing isn't evidence for god at all, it's evidence for the human tendency to seek out meaningful patterns in everything, even if none exist. I can look at a grilled cheese sandwich and just see a grilled cheese sandwich, yet a Catholic might look at the same grilled cheese sandwich and swear that it bears the image of the virgin Mary. A cloud can look like a fish to me and like a bird to you.
@muterabbit Its evidence for me. I guess if you see a crime happening and want to give your first hand account of what you witnessed then that would not be evidence either, right? Your opinion frankly doesn't change what I said and.or have experianced myself. I could look at a grilled cheese sandwich and tell you that I see G-d in it and you could say you don't it niether proves nor disproves what I perceive based upon your own perception. Maybe you're not looking where and how I am.
@daderone What does providing a firsthand account of a crime have to do with evidence for god? If god really exists, then it should be obvious to everyone. You don't need somebody's personal testimony that any of your loved ones exist, do you? Why should it be any different with god if he really does exist?
@muterabbit that a first hand account/being a witness is evidence in itself. I disagree but I do think its pretty obvious. I don't need anybody's testimony that G-d exists the same way i don't need any proof that the chair i'm sitting in exists, the computer I'm writting on, you, my apartment and fiance exist. Why would it be different? Good question, for you it is, not me.
@daderone For a moment, imagine that the holy books were never written and that there were never any oral traditions passed down having to do with gods. If you can only go off of what you can observe rather than holy books and/or oral traditions, would you still have a belief in god? Does god exist because you really somehow know he exists, or is it because you were prompted to believe that he exists by an existing religious framework? Seems like there should be one religion instead of many.
@daderone If god really is the creator of all that we see and is accessible to anyone, then why would evidence for his existence be restricted to personal experience and perception? Why does god value faith rather than evidence? If god won't allow us to see that he exists like I could show anyone on the planet that I exist, then I don't see any good reason to believe that he exists. It's kind of like when somebody says, "Yeah, I could do that, I just choose not to." We know it's bullshit.
@muterabbit well humans are only able to perceive based on their senses and often only 'know' things thru experiance and use of their senses. for instance you know what garlic is because you've seen garlic, you can smell garlic, u might even know how it feels in various forms if you've cooked with it. chances are you know and can recognize garlic when you see, smell or taste it. that is based on your experiances which rely on your senses. some don't believe in electricity b/c they don't see it.
@daderone Yes, I know garlic exists from experience through my senses. So what? Why is god exempt from that when everything else isn't? It doesn't make any sense. If some people don't believe in electricity, then they're idiots. You can both see and feel electricity. Want to see it? Watch a demonstration of a Tesla coil or look outside during a thunderstorm. Want to feel it? Stick a conductive piece of metal into an electric outlet. You can't do anything similar with god to see that he exists.
@muterabbit The person who makes the exception is you, you say its not enough to rely on my perceptions and senses and I ask what you know that such is not the case. If you want to see G-d look, if you want to feel G-d then open your heart. It works for me. I know G-d exists thru my experiances and senses as well as you know garlic and electricity.
@daderone What I know is that for the first 22 years of my life, I was a Christian and I chose to look for your god but I didn't find him. I didn't see him, hear him, feel him, or sense him in any other fashion. I tried many times to talk to him but he never talked back. It was a lot like he wasn't there at all. Now if he really loves everyone, then why doesn't he make his presence obvious to everyone? If you love someone, you don't hide yourself from them and give them the silent treatment.
@daderone I actually think it is enough to rely on one's senses. Where I think things go wrong is how a person perceives what they've sensed. A random pattern is just a random pattern until someone claims they see the virgin Mary in the random pattern. Would a person with absolutely no experience with the Catholic church see the virgin Mary in the random pattern? I don't think so.
@daderone Would a person with absolutely no experience with Judaism attribute their recovery from cancer to Yahweh's mercy? Again, I don't think so. From listening to believers talk about their personal experiences both before and after becoming an Atheist, I didn't hear anything that was proof positive for god. I heard a lot of talk about the emotions they were feeling, as though them feeling at peace in stressful situations was proof positive for god's existence. It's not.
@muterabbit Its your choice not mine. Just keep in mind that you're the one trying to impose your beliefs and opinions on me, not I on u. I find it very interesting when those 'without faith' think they're any different from those with when they speak in fundamental truths that cannot be challenged by the experiances, perceptions, opinions & beliefs of others. Be an atheist, I don't care and am not trying to convert or need 2 convince u. Do u need to convince me? How r u diff from Proselytizing
@daderone I haven't been imposing anything on you, we've just been having an argument. You've been free to ignore me and talk to someone else this entire time. If you don't want to hear my arguments for why it doesn't make sense to believe in god, then just say so, but don't pretend to be some kind of YouTube martyr. By the way, the "you're just as bad as us" argument says a lot more about the group you belong to than it does about the group you're trying to use it on.
@daderone What's the difference between religious people and non-religious people when it comes to proselytizing? We tend to use appropriate context. For example, we don't knock on your door, or call you at home, or get between you and your errands in front of stores or on street corners, or even wait for you to be vulnerable when you're grieving the loss of a loved one. We also try to encourage others to use critical thinking, not to simply go on believing what they're spoon fed once a week.
@daderone and you claim to have so much faith in GOD but you can't even use the proper letters in the word God. What, are you scared you'll offend your imaginary friend?
@richarddx22 yet you come to critisize me and challenge my faith and beliefs but know nothing of it. What you perceive as fear is respect and with all due respect you seem the one who is afraid.
@daderone But I know a lot about organised christianity. I have researched it, I almost became a christian at 14, but since then with a lot of study in different religions and their place in the world picture I have decided organized religion is not for me. The idea that ommitting the "O" from God is "respect" seems rather beyond strange to me but who am I to judge. I can think of many reasons to be afraid of organized religion, but some God with power to put you in "hell" is not one of them!
@richarddx22 except I'm not a Christian, so I don't know how that is relevant. Who are you to judge as you state? I also don't believe in hell so I'm encouraging you to make less assumptions and ask rather than accuse or judge and condemn.
@pkosuda and when I was 12 I was drawing crazy pictures of fire and listening to death metal like White Zombie and Pantera. I'll tell you what someone once told me.
'There is nothing you know which you have not questioned at one point, faith or G-d is no different and G-d would understand this.'
That sentance changed my life around your age. Whatever your choices you have no judgement from me, I hope you are happy and find love and peace. Just thought I would share.
wow finally Americans moving the right direction, i guess the age of enlightenment came a little late for these people as most citizens of Europe already identify themselves to be Secular.
there is a difference between leaving the brainwashing of a close minded religion and leaving spirituality entirely. Just because their gaze has shifted does not mean they have closed their eyes
Lose faith in something you can't prove to exist compared to believe in the power of humanity?
I am sorry I rather we lose blind faith and go for actual faith. Faith in ourselves and each other. I want a world where God doesn't take credit for my kindness. I'll be responsible for my own sins.
@lucian06207 Actually the forefathers are mostly unbelievers. Most of the great minds are unbelievers. Separation of Church and State, stop violating it.
Neosaigo 10 months ago
All u ppl will find out soon i feel sorry for tha unbelievers God is gonna send jesus soon and who cares bout america this country is fucked the four fathers know this too
luciano6207 11 months ago
Faith in what? Fictitious characters in some book written by various men from thousands of years ago? All organized religion is interested in is one thing, power and control. Most people who subscribe to such rubbish are also only in it for themself, thinking that if they do as their religion says they should, they will be "saved".
richarddx22 1 year ago
I dont appreciate my comment being removed..Comments should not be voted on I think. "You will see God for yourself when you die". For HE is real!!!! Accept or deny him is up to you. Its not a religion that will get you to Heaven.Its if you have accepted Jesus as your Savior that will get you there.Try God and see if you dont find him is all I ask. Dont knock it, till you try it.. He will give you peace and love that this world cant give you.May God touch you all. Love ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dhearndon 2 years ago
@dhearndon Prove that your god is real, and while you're at it prove that you have the right god and that every other god is false.
Do you also apply your idiotic "Don't knock it till you try it" line to crack cocain?
I have no more reason to believe in your god than the Hindu Gods or old pagan gods, your religion spread by terror and violence, at the point of the sword and by turning villages against themselves, by distorting and demonizing every other religion and outlawing disbelief.
Technate1 2 years ago
Dude, I'm not going to get into a big religious debate because this will keep going on and on and on and your not going to change your mind about what you believe and same about me too. Each person is different and each believes what they believe.End of story.
dhearndon 2 years ago
So if no one's gone change his mind and debate's useless, you could have kept your comment for you...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
That this world cant give you because people rely to much on afterlife being nice to act in a decent way in this life wich if it's the one and only will be lost because of this kind of reasonning...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
Back to threats, lol, things haven't changed till inquisition...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
"Are american's losing faith"
"God I hope so"
lol.
Technate1 2 years ago
Nice
I just see a greater future for everybody when freethinking persons comes foreward!
swedishmetalupyours 2 years ago
faith is auch a tranquilizing inhibiter
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phfrankh 3 years ago
Good news.
malickfan 3 years ago
When you die and you see the real God face to face in judgement you know He is real then. It will be too late for you. The devil will make things seem nice without a God but you will be searching for something in your life and I hope it is for God himself. Test God and see if He isnt real. If you havent then how will you know. He has been the best thing in my life. I bet if another 911 would happen to the USA, what is the odds of people flocking to prayer and the church?
dhearndon 3 years ago
What kind of god has to threaten people with eternal torture to secure their worship? What kind of god puts it's word in a book written by men and distributed by men? What kind of god relies on a book to spread it's message?
A god that exists only in the mind. You want me to test your god? Fine get it to come out of your head and submit to a few tests, because studies have already shown that prayer doesn't work and the Bible is about as historically accurate as the Spider Man comic strip.
Technate1 2 years ago
God him self is the beginning and the end of this world..If you want Him,you ask Him to come into your life and see if He doesn't do great things for you. I didn't say TEST God,I said TRY God for yourself. Have you tried God at all? Or do you just want to put Him down? Now how can you study prayer? I know they work is all that counts. Why do people write books? To spread a message or a tell a story. Have you read the Bible at all? The Bible is very accurate.Not 1 lie in it.
dhearndon 2 years ago
@dhearndon Your god didn't say anything. The Bible was written by man, not a god. You want me to test god? Fine, I challenge your god to strike my rose bush with lightning by 4:00 PM Central Time today 2/2/10.
I'll be back in an hour when it doesn't happen.
Most Atheist sincerely believed in your imaginary tyrant at some point, and even Christian groups have studied prayer and showed that it has no effect. Yes I've read the Bible, and it's a vile and evil book, no better than the Quran.
Technate1 2 years ago
Quit saying that I said "Test God".I said "Try God" which means to accept Him as your Savior and see if you cant feel Him real then. You cant see wind, but you can feel it blowing. You cant see God, and you can feel Him too. You cant test God like that. What in the world do you believe in anyways?
dhearndon 2 years ago
@dhearndon Which god should I try first? Maybe I should start with Shiva? Ohhhh wait YOUR GOD, because you're right, and everyone else deserves to be tortured forever right?
Hindus can Feel their gods too, you can feel all sorts of things, your personal feelings don't prove that a god exists. Unlike your god wind is a real physically tangible thing.
I believe in all sorts of things, but I don't believe in the supernatural and I don't believe in your man made god.
Technate1 2 years ago
Your so stupid and you dont even know it. My God is real.He is the God of all other gods. All others are man made.
dhearndon 2 years ago
@dhearndon Yeah I'm stupid for not believing in your invisible intangible god. Your god is no more real than any other god, and no less man made. You know your god is real the same way Hindus know their gods are real.
Technate1 2 years ago
Yeah, it's always the same... Muslim say their god is the one, jews say the same... How can you be so sure that's the good one ? Because you feel it or were educated like this, how arrogant that sounds to others ? BTW, there are some people who just can't believe in such things, like you can't believe in Santa, even if your life depended on it, you just couldn't... And atheists are the stupid ones...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
How dfo we "try" god, and why won't you try Allah or Yavhe ? Oh, i forgot, you're right and others are wrong...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
Because I believe there is but one TRUE GOD and its the God who created this earth you walk on,the air you breath,the food you eat and he created you. What has other gods done? Tell me that. People have the right to worship whatever God they believe in. I'm just saying who I believe in is all.
dhearndon 2 years ago
No you are not just saying, you're threatening people of eternal torture for not believing the same god as you...
BTW, the god you believe in condemned knowingly millions of people who had no chance to only know Jesus ever existed...
If you'd informed yourself a little you should know that other gods created earth also, like hinduist god or any others. There's no reason at all to believe one's more real than the other, except what's been implanted in your brain...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
Whatever dude. You can go away now and quit bugging me with your nonsense.
dhearndon 2 years ago
Nonsense ? That's how you justify your ignorance and how uneducatedyou really are... You can't cancel all the people that had no chance to only know that Jesus and christianity ever existed (indians, mongols, vikings...) all condemned to hell and i'm the one making no sense... I understand it bugs you that some one shows how deeply stupid and irrational your belief is...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
I am not uneducated. I never did say everybody else is going to hell. You did!! I don't like how you are judging a complete stranger. I feel like I'm in the middle of Sodom and Gomorrah. I gotta get out of here and not turn back. BYE!!!!
dhearndon 2 years ago
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Didn't you say "Its not a religion that will get you to Heaven.Its if you have accepted Jesus as your Savior that will get you there."
BTW, you don't adress only one point i made about the absurdity of your religion... And if we're not condemned for not believing, what's the point in believing ? You go from one absurdity to another...
You got to get out because out of valuable argument, that's all...
And I was not judging you but your belief system... How convenient to distort what i said...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
I'm a recovering Christian and see through all the nonsense those swill merchants put forth.
Since becoming atheist, I've lost all those insecurities that come with being tied to one "God" or belief system.
It's just the rational path.
mjmanning123 3 years ago 6
I could point out that due to things like leap year and calender changes throughout the centuries today's saturday is probably not the original saturday. So the only thing you're arguing about is a name. kinda silly
JustThink00 3 years ago
the church just isn't going to the building.
WhoRonPaul 3 years ago
This is what happens when politicians preach from the oval office..
stammeringlips 3 years ago 3
Everyone try Islam, I swear you will like it...just read up on it then make your own judments don't listen to people.
alio122000 3 years ago
Newton was very religious. I fact, more then half of his work was devoted to decode the bible.
I understand the nature of religion, as an evolutionary brain feature (which has been proved by experiment - watch "God on the brain BBC"). Altogether I'm deeply sad about such a time waste. We'd be biologically immortal and would configure our galaxy right now, if is't not for religion.
evgeniy13 3 years ago
Yeah, punish women for being unable to control your desire...
Acrimonator 2 years ago
Christ is the savior. And god is truth.
d3adp001 3 years ago
I think most churches are just ways for the government to make even more money.
xxMirokuJrxx 3 years ago
bcoz religion is NOT REAL Its simply based off the sun (Suns lowest point = 24th December & on 25th Sun rises by 1 degree thus startin the process of life or more of it. Dark vs Light etc Relgion is truely the biggest BS story goin and any money put in it doesnt get taxed. This and the Monatary system (financial) does NOT work
If ya dont believe me go & watch Zeitgeist free @ Google Videos
I apologise if anyone is offended, i kno people will, but its a truth that & many are being misled.
RectifieD 3 years ago 2
cause people are starting to realize religion is bullshit as George Carlin says
theDeAdIsRiSiNg666 3 years ago 2
i'd say that more than losing faith they're understanding that you can't hide behind a god...
chubas41 3 years ago
i'm glad people are starting to wake up. starting to realize that there's no invisible hand guiding their life, and that every decision has a consequence
PartialMathers10 3 years ago 3
More importantly, are Americans losing fat? Lol, just kidding!
RazaSiddiqui 3 years ago
nope. haha
askaninjafan 3 years ago
truth was never popular. humanity is fallen and grovels in darkness, evil, perversion, tyrany and lies. this world rejects God so the wise reject this world and its lying flattery and pretense. wide is the path but narrow the gate, the black one stands on the seashore. the children are cold but the fire is hot, the black one stands on the seashore
iorixs 3 years ago
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phfrankh 3 years ago
The Spirit of God is being withdrawn from the fallen churches which have the appearance of godliness but deny the power. The Sabbath is the seal of God, not Sunday.
Tallmark1 3 years ago
the sabbath?? as in black sabbath??
that shits awesome yo. HAIL THE DARK PRINCE
askaninjafan 3 years ago
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John 3:17 (New International Version)
17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
parhamcr1 3 years ago
1 Timothy 4:1 (New International Version)
1 Timothy 4
Instructions to Timothy 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
parhamcr1 3 years ago 2
there all going to hell
undergroundmexicans 3 years ago
Well, this isn't good. Who can you turn to when you feel alone? Certainly not anyone that'll make it worse. God won't make it worse. God'll make it better for you.
lazyrobbie 3 years ago
Turn to Zeus or Allah if you feel lonely. Or STFU and go get a life.
quiveringpalm 3 years ago
So, because I'm atheist I have no one?
xTHUNDERGALOREx 3 years ago
I didn't say that. I just said that God is like a friend when you're alone and depressed and you think no one is listening.
lazyrobbie 2 years ago
Yes, God is kinda like a friend who you think isn't listening, and never talks to you, and when you look around, they're not actually there. But when you ask them really specifically for something... well, they still don't answer. But if you find like $10 bucks on the street or something, well, you can thank them for it... but they don't say "you're welcome". They're the kinda friend that kinda sucks that way. Stupid invisible friend.
LaWrytr 2 years ago 2
lol,.....imaginary friend?
Why can't we just accept that no one is listening. Perhaps then we'll stop depending on magic and god's will and find the solution to solve humanities problems.
It's certainly overdue:)
blaziermissy 2 years ago
THE OLD PEOPLE WIL STAY.
747K 3 years ago
Not me. Still plenty of faith. Used to be an atheist. So I guess I'm against the trend there. I do understand why many are feeling distant from their religions and know many who are that this applies to.
I also believe in love, empathy, compassio, respect, helping the poor, not scapegoating or demonizing those different and keeping religion seperated from government.
daderone 3 years ago 5
@daderone Did you really used to be an Atheist, or were you just one of those people that neglected their faith for a while and thought that they were an Atheist? If you still had some kind of belief in god, however faint, you weren't really an Atheist. An Atheist doesn't just opt out of organized religion, they firmly reject the idea that god exists.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit no I chose to identify myself as atheist for a couple of years in my youth, never really neglected my faith as much as I also used to neglect myself. It wasn't until leading up to my Bar Mitzvah that this was challenged by a true desire and love for my own religion. Later in life I also went thru a departure of faith by my own choice and decided my faith was more a matter of my cultural life rather than something religious. Today I have come full circle to have more faith and love.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone That's what I figured. Since I'm an Atheist, I become skeptical whenever a religious person claims that they used to be an Atheist. Although it might be possible for a real Atheist to adopt a religion, it's highly unlikely. It's kind of like when a kid finds out that fairies aren't real: once they know, it's pretty much impossible for them to go back to believing in their existence. I hope that makes sense.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit what did you figure? Like I said, I was an atheist when I was younger. A real atheist? Is that like being a 'real Christian'? I always find it odd when those who reject faith act like their lack of faith is a religion and that there is some litmus test to being atheist. There isn't. I was an atheist and now am not. you seem to have not understood.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Being an authentic Atheist has nothing to do with Atheism being a religion. Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is a hair color. What it really boils down to is a proper definition. Merriam-Webster defines "Atheist" as follows:
"one who believes that there is no deity"
If you at one point in your life believed that deities do not exist, then you were an Atheist. If however you still had some lingering belief in at least one deity, then you weren't really an Atheist.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit and when did you become the ultimate decider on who is and isn't a good authentic atheist? Like I said for the third time, I used to be an atheist. How about you, were you ever religious?
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Please don't strawman me. I'm not taking the position that I'm the only person on Earth qualified to decide what an authentic Atheist is, I'm pointing to the the dictionary definition of an Atheist. Dictionaries are there to help us come to a consensus about what words mean. You can have your own personal definition of a word if you like, but that doesn't mean its a definition that everyone will accept.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone Did you or did you not believe in a deity during that short period in your life that you thought you were an Atheist? If the answer is no, then according to the agreed upon dictionary definition, you were an Atheist. If the answer is yes, then according to the agreed upon dictionary definition, you were not an Atheist. It's that simple.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone And yes, I did used to be religious. I used to be a Seventh-Day Adventist, which is a type of Christian. Being an Atheist or not being an Atheist is not the same as being religious or not being religious. With Atheism, you have a simple dictionary definition to go off of, but with religion, your status is based off of all sorts of behaviors, beliefs, and your passion for your faith.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit seems like you're more interested in justifying your own perspective and path than understanding my own. Really I have no interest or need in explaining it further, I've given you plenty of answers which should be more than satisfactory. I told you each time after your comments my status of belief during various stages of my life, if you think its in question or for you to question thats on you. I frankly have no need or desire to prove or jump thru hoops to satisfy your curiosity.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone This has nothing to do with my path or your path, it has to do with a simple, objective dictionary definition that translates to a simple question and a simple answer. If you are unwilling to give a simple answer to a simple question, then I suspect that you just don't want to admit that you may have been mistaken in your belief that you used to be an Atheist. I have no interest in making you jump through hoops for some perverse entertainment, I'm interested in the truth.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit the problem you seem to be having is that of accepting the answer others give you. I've answered you about a half dozen times.
I used to be an atheist and now have returned to my religion of birth.
Thats the truth, your definitions included so the question remaining is whether you can accept that and move on to bigger and better things in this universe. I hope so because I'm not sure I know how to make myself more clear without repeating myself as I've done.
daderone 1 year ago
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muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone I used only one definition and it comes from the Merriam-Webster English Dictionary, so it's not my definition, it's everyone's definition. Dictionaries contain definitions for words that we've all agreed upon so that when somebody talks about a certain word, we all know what they're talking about. If we only went off of our personal definitions for words, there would be a lot of confusion. If you were an Atheist according to the dictionary definition, then that's all I wanted to know.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit I apologize, according to the dictionary's definition rather than your own. Hope we're on the same page now.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone I don't know how many former Atheists are genuine, I just know that whenever one offers their testimony, religious people tend to get the idea that Atheism is just a temporary phase not to be taken seriously, perhaps a rebellious phase that people only go through when they're young. I've observed the words of a number of different people who claim to be former Atheists, yet they sound as though they never left their faith at all.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit I think its fair to say that we're talking about your opinion here now. I can only speak for myself, you seem to be real interested in broader generalizations about groups of people. I might sound as though I've never left my faith because I, today, right now have faith.
To me personally when I tell you that I did, and share my experiance with you then I think it sounds like I'm telling you about a point in time when I lost my faith. So I'm not sure what exactely confuses you.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone I guess if anything confuses me, it's how you could become an Atheist and then switch back to Judaism. Like I said before, once you've been convinced that something without any evidence of its existence available does not exist, it's practically impossible to go back to believing in its existence and ignoring the lack of evidence for its existence. What was the thought process that led you to become an Atheist and what was the thought process that drew you back to Judaism?
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit Then just ask. I was obviously convinced that I was wrong in being an Atheist. I've seen a lot in my days, some things miraculous, somethings horrible, something divine and beautiful. All have shaped me and were factors at that point in my life as well. I think its funny that you say without any evidence. I look and see G-d all around us, everywhere and in the tiniest facets of life, world..all. I'll add more to this tomorrow when I have more time about my thought process.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone I said "without any evidence" because there is none. The sort of "evidence" that you're describing isn't evidence for god at all, it's evidence for the human tendency to seek out meaningful patterns in everything, even if none exist. I can look at a grilled cheese sandwich and just see a grilled cheese sandwich, yet a Catholic might look at the same grilled cheese sandwich and swear that it bears the image of the virgin Mary. A cloud can look like a fish to me and like a bird to you.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit Its evidence for me. I guess if you see a crime happening and want to give your first hand account of what you witnessed then that would not be evidence either, right? Your opinion frankly doesn't change what I said and.or have experianced myself. I could look at a grilled cheese sandwich and tell you that I see G-d in it and you could say you don't it niether proves nor disproves what I perceive based upon your own perception. Maybe you're not looking where and how I am.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone What does providing a firsthand account of a crime have to do with evidence for god? If god really exists, then it should be obvious to everyone. You don't need somebody's personal testimony that any of your loved ones exist, do you? Why should it be any different with god if he really does exist?
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit that a first hand account/being a witness is evidence in itself. I disagree but I do think its pretty obvious. I don't need anybody's testimony that G-d exists the same way i don't need any proof that the chair i'm sitting in exists, the computer I'm writting on, you, my apartment and fiance exist. Why would it be different? Good question, for you it is, not me.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone For a moment, imagine that the holy books were never written and that there were never any oral traditions passed down having to do with gods. If you can only go off of what you can observe rather than holy books and/or oral traditions, would you still have a belief in god? Does god exist because you really somehow know he exists, or is it because you were prompted to believe that he exists by an existing religious framework? Seems like there should be one religion instead of many.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone If god really is the creator of all that we see and is accessible to anyone, then why would evidence for his existence be restricted to personal experience and perception? Why does god value faith rather than evidence? If god won't allow us to see that he exists like I could show anyone on the planet that I exist, then I don't see any good reason to believe that he exists. It's kind of like when somebody says, "Yeah, I could do that, I just choose not to." We know it's bullshit.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit well humans are only able to perceive based on their senses and often only 'know' things thru experiance and use of their senses. for instance you know what garlic is because you've seen garlic, you can smell garlic, u might even know how it feels in various forms if you've cooked with it. chances are you know and can recognize garlic when you see, smell or taste it. that is based on your experiances which rely on your senses. some don't believe in electricity b/c they don't see it.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone Yes, I know garlic exists from experience through my senses. So what? Why is god exempt from that when everything else isn't? It doesn't make any sense. If some people don't believe in electricity, then they're idiots. You can both see and feel electricity. Want to see it? Watch a demonstration of a Tesla coil or look outside during a thunderstorm. Want to feel it? Stick a conductive piece of metal into an electric outlet. You can't do anything similar with god to see that he exists.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit The person who makes the exception is you, you say its not enough to rely on my perceptions and senses and I ask what you know that such is not the case. If you want to see G-d look, if you want to feel G-d then open your heart. It works for me. I know G-d exists thru my experiances and senses as well as you know garlic and electricity.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone What I know is that for the first 22 years of my life, I was a Christian and I chose to look for your god but I didn't find him. I didn't see him, hear him, feel him, or sense him in any other fashion. I tried many times to talk to him but he never talked back. It was a lot like he wasn't there at all. Now if he really loves everyone, then why doesn't he make his presence obvious to everyone? If you love someone, you don't hide yourself from them and give them the silent treatment.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone I actually think it is enough to rely on one's senses. Where I think things go wrong is how a person perceives what they've sensed. A random pattern is just a random pattern until someone claims they see the virgin Mary in the random pattern. Would a person with absolutely no experience with the Catholic church see the virgin Mary in the random pattern? I don't think so.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone Would a person with absolutely no experience with Judaism attribute their recovery from cancer to Yahweh's mercy? Again, I don't think so. From listening to believers talk about their personal experiences both before and after becoming an Atheist, I didn't hear anything that was proof positive for god. I heard a lot of talk about the emotions they were feeling, as though them feeling at peace in stressful situations was proof positive for god's existence. It's not.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@muterabbit Its your choice not mine. Just keep in mind that you're the one trying to impose your beliefs and opinions on me, not I on u. I find it very interesting when those 'without faith' think they're any different from those with when they speak in fundamental truths that cannot be challenged by the experiances, perceptions, opinions & beliefs of others. Be an atheist, I don't care and am not trying to convert or need 2 convince u. Do u need to convince me? How r u diff from Proselytizing
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone I haven't been imposing anything on you, we've just been having an argument. You've been free to ignore me and talk to someone else this entire time. If you don't want to hear my arguments for why it doesn't make sense to believe in god, then just say so, but don't pretend to be some kind of YouTube martyr. By the way, the "you're just as bad as us" argument says a lot more about the group you belong to than it does about the group you're trying to use it on.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone What's the difference between religious people and non-religious people when it comes to proselytizing? We tend to use appropriate context. For example, we don't knock on your door, or call you at home, or get between you and your errands in front of stores or on street corners, or even wait for you to be vulnerable when you're grieving the loss of a loved one. We also try to encourage others to use critical thinking, not to simply go on believing what they're spoon fed once a week.
muterabbit 1 year ago
@daderone and you claim to have so much faith in GOD but you can't even use the proper letters in the word God. What, are you scared you'll offend your imaginary friend?
richarddx22 1 year ago
@richarddx22 yet you come to critisize me and challenge my faith and beliefs but know nothing of it. What you perceive as fear is respect and with all due respect you seem the one who is afraid.
daderone 1 year ago
@daderone But I know a lot about organised christianity. I have researched it, I almost became a christian at 14, but since then with a lot of study in different religions and their place in the world picture I have decided organized religion is not for me. The idea that ommitting the "O" from God is "respect" seems rather beyond strange to me but who am I to judge. I can think of many reasons to be afraid of organized religion, but some God with power to put you in "hell" is not one of them!
richarddx22 1 year ago
@richarddx22 except I'm not a Christian, so I don't know how that is relevant. Who are you to judge as you state? I also don't believe in hell so I'm encouraging you to make less assumptions and ask rather than accuse or judge and condemn.
daderone 1 year ago
Very true. I am 14 and have switched my beliefs from Christian to Agnostic.
pkosuda 3 years ago
@pkosuda and when I was 12 I was drawing crazy pictures of fire and listening to death metal like White Zombie and Pantera. I'll tell you what someone once told me.
'There is nothing you know which you have not questioned at one point, faith or G-d is no different and G-d would understand this.'
That sentance changed my life around your age. Whatever your choices you have no judgement from me, I hope you are happy and find love and peace. Just thought I would share.
daderone 1 year ago
Catholic!!
Boricua2014 3 years ago
Pedophile!!
quiveringpalm 3 years ago
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phfrankh 3 years ago
so, only christians are close to god, not any other religion or philosophy, huh phfrankh?
well that's the crux of the problem derived by backward stubborn people like you. christians ARE NO CLOSER TO GOD than is any other religion or ism.
don't you think the younger generations see this, understand it better than you and are rejecting your flawed thinking out of hand?
stop your arrogance, and downright ignorant hate, please! the tide of change is about to wash you out to sea.
wntoply6 3 years ago 2
wow finally Americans moving the right direction, i guess the age of enlightenment came a little late for these people as most citizens of Europe already identify themselves to be Secular.
RussianComrade 3 years ago
there is a difference between leaving the brainwashing of a close minded religion and leaving spirituality entirely. Just because their gaze has shifted does not mean they have closed their eyes
JustThink00 3 years ago 2
boaden your minds, it's a book.
zipppit89 3 years ago
This is great news. The less religion out there, the better.
jufu999 3 years ago 2
I think it's a good sign and about time.
But it seems the voice of religious organizations are getting louder and louder. Why can this be?
allgoo19 3 years ago 5
Fear. Plain and simple.
jufu999 3 years ago 2
There are many arguments over religion,
due to so many of them being known and practiced.
That starts a lot of controversies.
Revivalrocks 3 years ago 4
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kill yourself dumbass. ur the reason
WARPALORPA 3 years ago