"I am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
@salmonking007, Autobiographical Notes1979, pp 3-5. Albert Einstein,
As the first way out there was religion, which is implanted into every child by way of the traditional education-machine.
Thus I came though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve.
Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true
@MrHoolits Amazing, so you've established that the man wasn't Christian or Jewish. Bravo. As I stated previously, Einstein was a deist; he believed in a creator God rather than a personal God.
He came to this realization when writing his theory of relativity in order to account for the beginning of the cosmos. He would see God as creator rather than most religions viewpoints, which see God as more of a parental figure/old man on a hill waving a stick at people. Look it up.
@salmonking007, No,Clown. I give you a paragraph from Einstein's autobiography and then call him a deist. Are you that stupid?
Einstein was a Natural Pantheist like Spinoza and other scientists.
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of primitive legends which are pretty childish.
No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." Albert Einstein, 1954
Einstein "I'm NOT an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist.
We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is."
Seems he thought God is were the universe started.
@salmonking007, The Deist claim Einstein and in his autobiography he rejects the bible. The Christians lunatics like Kurt Cameron & banana man Ray Comfort say Einstein was not an Atheist and people will find quotes and use the part that supports their view.
I thought Einstein was Naturalist Pantheist like many scientists like Spinoza which has no deities.
So what is your point? And I wish people would just leave Einstein the fuck alone and just say what the fuck is their point.
@MrHoolits My point remains a constant from my first post; Einstein wasn't an atheist, while he is listed in the video by Hitchen's memorized speech as one of the "great atheist thinkers".
I don't understand why you believe that since Einstein said the bible was rubbish, he can't be a deist. Christian deist, no, but undefined deist? It's possible. The problem is that when you try to push him into a corner (deist vs pantheist) he generally if found more in the middle, and was never and atheist.
@salmonking007, I quoted Einstein from his autobiography. You can easily google those pages. Do you understand what an autobiography means? It's his own fucking words. Goddammit people are fucking stupid.
Then google Einstein + deist and Einstein + Natural Pantheist.
I don't really give a shit but Einstein did not believe in an afterlife or a personal god. You can google as well.
Read a fucking book or watch more clips of Kirk Cameron and banana man Ray Comfort.
@MrHoolits Thanks for telling me everything I've already said. I never claimed he believed an afterlife or a personal God. I used quotes from him (which came from his own words too *gasp*).
He wasn't an atheist. He saw "God" in the order of the universe. You're just pissed that I won't label him as a pantheist, though I only hold back that title because he himself was unsure if he could be labeled one. Keep insulting me though, it's hilarious. I think I'm hitting copy and paste next response :D
@salmonking007, Yes I get pissed at morons like Kirk Cameron & Ray Comfort types who use a great man like Einstein and twist his words to convince others to believe in a god.
I said Einstein was a Naturalist Pantheist as are are many scientists. Did you bother to google that?
Yes, I got carried away. I sometimes get impatient, my apologies with what I thought was a Ray Comfort type posting.
Religion has been used to control mass populous long before the Nazis. Its hard to believe that the people in charge never saw religion as a way to manipulate the masses. This is the case with Hitler and countless others; the man was no religious extremist, but he did use religion to state his, and his party's, role in each citizen's life. God has been a great way to sell your ideologies to others.
Oh, and Einstein wasn't an atheist. If he had to put himself into a category, deist would suffice
Yes he was. there was no authority above himself. He used religion to some extent. Who would use religion but someone that doesn't think that God will damn him to hell for eternity.
@MPaulHolmes, The Popes, Ted Haggart, Televangelist selling miracles on TV, Priests raping children, Pat Robertson become a billionaire off the backs of those with meager earnings, George Bush lying us into war with Iraq killing several hundreds of thousand civilians & thousands of our soldiers, etc.
Anyone claiming to be speaking for or claims to know what god thinks or wants.
An Omnipotent and Omnipresence God would not be constrained by whatever is written in the current version of the bible
@casyatbat I think you listed some excellent examples. A priest that rapes kids most definitely doesn't think the God of the bible exists. A person who uses religion for his own evil gain must a priori not believe that religion to be the case. Atheism is necessary, but not sufficient.
@MPaulHolmes, My problem are those claiming to be speaking for god and use their influence to control manipulate their followers.
The worst are Politicians where people vote for them only because they say they are Christians and they hate gays. People will vote strictly on those issues which are brought each election then forgotten afterwards.
Those same Politicians then give tax breaks to companies shipping jobs & manufacturing to China while caring less about the lives of their voters.
The full debate can be seen on c-span Book TV. Just search:
Does Atheism Poison Everything Sept 7, 2010
A debate was held on atheism with Christopher Hitchens, author of God Is Not Great, and David Berlinski, author of The Devil's Delusion. Mr. Berlinski argued the positive of the resolution "Atheism poisons everything" and Mr. Hitchens argued the negative. Hosted by the Fixed Point Foundation in Birmingham, Alabama.
68 minutes - entertaining with rolling transcript.
I've seen Hitchens on a few shows but this clipping and his passion, knowledge & intelligence cause me search Youtube for more on Hitchens. There are many including the full debate of this clipping.
"I am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
-Albert Einstein.
Owned by a dead person. O.o
salmonking007 2 months ago
@salmonking007, Autobiographical Notes1979, pp 3-5. Albert Einstein,
As the first way out there was religion, which is implanted into every child by way of the traditional education-machine.
Thus I came though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve.
Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true
MrHoolits 2 months ago
@MrHoolits Amazing, so you've established that the man wasn't Christian or Jewish. Bravo. As I stated previously, Einstein was a deist; he believed in a creator God rather than a personal God.
He came to this realization when writing his theory of relativity in order to account for the beginning of the cosmos. He would see God as creator rather than most religions viewpoints, which see God as more of a parental figure/old man on a hill waving a stick at people. Look it up.
salmonking007 2 months ago
@salmonking007, No,Clown. I give you a paragraph from Einstein's autobiography and then call him a deist. Are you that stupid?
Einstein was a Natural Pantheist like Spinoza and other scientists.
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of primitive legends which are pretty childish.
No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." Albert Einstein, 1954
Stop watching Fox News for History.
MrHoolits 2 months ago
@MrHoolits
Einstein "I'm NOT an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist.
We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is."
Seems he thought God is were the universe started.
salmonking007 2 months ago
@salmonking007, The Deist claim Einstein and in his autobiography he rejects the bible. The Christians lunatics like Kurt Cameron & banana man Ray Comfort say Einstein was not an Atheist and people will find quotes and use the part that supports their view.
I thought Einstein was Naturalist Pantheist like many scientists like Spinoza which has no deities.
So what is your point? And I wish people would just leave Einstein the fuck alone and just say what the fuck is their point.
MrHoolits 2 months ago
@MrHoolits My point remains a constant from my first post; Einstein wasn't an atheist, while he is listed in the video by Hitchen's memorized speech as one of the "great atheist thinkers".
I don't understand why you believe that since Einstein said the bible was rubbish, he can't be a deist. Christian deist, no, but undefined deist? It's possible. The problem is that when you try to push him into a corner (deist vs pantheist) he generally if found more in the middle, and was never and atheist.
salmonking007 2 months ago
@salmonking007, I quoted Einstein from his autobiography. You can easily google those pages. Do you understand what an autobiography means? It's his own fucking words. Goddammit people are fucking stupid.
Then google Einstein + deist and Einstein + Natural Pantheist.
I don't really give a shit but Einstein did not believe in an afterlife or a personal god. You can google as well.
Read a fucking book or watch more clips of Kirk Cameron and banana man Ray Comfort.
MrHoolits 2 months ago
@MrHoolits Thanks for telling me everything I've already said. I never claimed he believed an afterlife or a personal God. I used quotes from him (which came from his own words too *gasp*).
He wasn't an atheist. He saw "God" in the order of the universe. You're just pissed that I won't label him as a pantheist, though I only hold back that title because he himself was unsure if he could be labeled one. Keep insulting me though, it's hilarious. I think I'm hitting copy and paste next response :D
salmonking007 2 months ago
@salmonking007, Yes I get pissed at morons like Kirk Cameron & Ray Comfort types who use a great man like Einstein and twist his words to convince others to believe in a god.
I said Einstein was a Naturalist Pantheist as are are many scientists. Did you bother to google that?
Yes, I got carried away. I sometimes get impatient, my apologies with what I thought was a Ray Comfort type posting.
Just google "Einstein, pantheist".
or search YT for "Einstein + Pantheism"
Again, sorry.
MrHoolits 2 months ago
@MrHoolits This quotation brought to you by Fox News (which is apparently a history channel instead of a news outlet :P)
salmonking007 2 months ago
Religion has been used to control mass populous long before the Nazis. Its hard to believe that the people in charge never saw religion as a way to manipulate the masses. This is the case with Hitler and countless others; the man was no religious extremist, but he did use religion to state his, and his party's, role in each citizen's life. God has been a great way to sell your ideologies to others.
Oh, and Einstein wasn't an atheist. If he had to put himself into a category, deist would suffice
salmonking007 2 months ago
Yes he was. there was no authority above himself. He used religion to some extent. Who would use religion but someone that doesn't think that God will damn him to hell for eternity.
MPaulHolmes 5 months ago
@MPaulHolmes, The Popes, Ted Haggart, Televangelist selling miracles on TV, Priests raping children, Pat Robertson become a billionaire off the backs of those with meager earnings, George Bush lying us into war with Iraq killing several hundreds of thousand civilians & thousands of our soldiers, etc.
Anyone claiming to be speaking for or claims to know what god thinks or wants.
An Omnipotent and Omnipresence God would not be constrained by whatever is written in the current version of the bible
casyatbat 5 months ago
@casyatbat I think you listed some excellent examples. A priest that rapes kids most definitely doesn't think the God of the bible exists. A person who uses religion for his own evil gain must a priori not believe that religion to be the case. Atheism is necessary, but not sufficient.
MPaulHolmes 5 months ago
@MPaulHolmes, My problem are those claiming to be speaking for god and use their influence to control manipulate their followers.
The worst are Politicians where people vote for them only because they say they are Christians and they hate gays. People will vote strictly on those issues which are brought each election then forgotten afterwards.
Those same Politicians then give tax breaks to companies shipping jobs & manufacturing to China while caring less about the lives of their voters.
casyatbat 5 months ago
@casyatbat Amen to that.
MPaulHolmes 5 months ago
religion is for the uneduacated
BrieflyExisting 1 year ago 4
The full debate can be seen on c-span Book TV. Just search:
Does Atheism Poison Everything Sept 7, 2010
A debate was held on atheism with Christopher Hitchens, author of God Is Not Great, and David Berlinski, author of The Devil's Delusion. Mr. Berlinski argued the positive of the resolution "Atheism poisons everything" and Mr. Hitchens argued the negative. Hosted by the Fixed Point Foundation in Birmingham, Alabama.
68 minutes - entertaining with rolling transcript.
casyatbat 1 year ago
@casyatbat
Thank you!
The poster of the video could have mentioned what debate it was from.
ElDuorPaso 2 months ago
@ElDuorPaso, I am not original poster of this clip and used it as a response to Carlin's Religion is Bullshit.
I did watch the entire original clip by searching CSpan Book TV online.
You can find the link on Youtube at
Hitchens vs. Berlinski BLOCKED DEBATE Highlights & Link
watch?v=Ari4CbVm9f4
Read "show more" which has the link & where Catholics forced the whole clip off Youtube.
casyatbat 2 months ago
I've seen Hitchens on a few shows but this clipping and his passion, knowledge & intelligence cause me search Youtube for more on Hitchens. There are many including the full debate of this clipping.
Thanks,
casyatbat 1 year ago
Hitchslapped!!!!!!
xSolarFlare15x 1 year ago 5
Its gonna take me awhile to get use to the bald look on Hitchens.
Vynjira 1 year ago
Bravo!
EnoughAlready969 1 year ago
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Vynjira 1 year ago