These old school guys were fucking tough and strong. All the current wrestlers are just bodybuilders with superficial strength. This is how you train if you want to be a real fighter.
@matthewking410 You're right. I was having some "knee" issues and through trial and error, I discovered that it was from a lack of flexibility in my knees and lack of strength in the connective tissues of my knee. I do think that I have the problem corrected now by working on fixing the imbalances.
We had an assistant wrestling coach who taught us some Karl Gotch excercises! Hardcore stuff, but if I was a younger man, I'd do the 'Bartendaz' upper body workout nowadays!
I agree, I like conditioning for combat sports and you can get it at: I think it is scientificwrestling, budo video and I actually just rented it online from goldstarvideo. great video highly recommend it
Dips are not recommended as a primary exercise ESPECIALLY fpr someone who has ever suffered a shoulder seperation.
However, athletes have to go less tan ideal training sometimes. Athletes do not train for longterm health but fitness to do their sport. Gotch's body was wrecked as he got older. great shape, but wrecked. Do this stuff for a specific reason. Still better than sitting on your fat asses begin couch potato critics.
Great exercices for well conditioned athletes but u must always keep chin up when doing dips... and if you are hardcore try doing the first two with a fit ball instead of a spotter = Real hard
thats so fuckin nice ..awesome!! who r these fuckin retards on the boards saying this exercise is bad for that and that is going to destroy this and all that shit....i bet they read a lot and do little...first do it and as u do it analyze it and criticize it first be in a position to do it then talk shit or else shut up
it may appear he is assisting him in the first move but its actualy makes it harder because his back is in a harder position so its works the lower body aswel.
Omg..dude..im fukin exhausted just watching this shit...Karl Gotch, and all the legends of yesteryear..were men of steel. The wrestlers of today would drop a load into their panties if they trained how the old legends did.
Workouts then probably seemed more primitive and hardcore. But today athletics is at a whole new level. Look at Gable when he invented the "Iowa Style" and how they trained. Old guys did not train like that, no matter what you say. Guys like Kurt Angle took this shit to a whole new level.
You were one of the few real deal in submission wrestling. Shooto fighters, Sakuraba, Ken and Frank Shamrock proved your submission techniques do work in outside of the pro-wrestling arena. I really miss you.
Only Ken Shamrock has not won a fight in several years. His technique was always over-rated. I still see him failing at heel-hook attempts that most beginners could do. He had more balls than technique. Made basically an ass of himself vs. Tito. Still he was a pioneer. No doudt.
But honestly, who are you to criticze Shamrock? Are you a fighter who has credentials? If so, that's fine. Your opinion if your opinion. And most people know that Shamrock probably didn't have the technique as well as some of the best fighters of today, but he's still Shamrock and he made a great impression on the sport.
Read my comment again. I identified him as a "pioneer-no doudt". I would call that giving him credit. To answer your question: I do not have "credentials". But that is very flawed logic. I criticize the President often-do I need to occupy the White House first in order to do so?? Should I be a drug addict before criticizing drug abusers??
In response to jeetmans comment about dips....You are a frigging retard! Dips will not damage your rotator cuff. If anything they will strenghthen them. Dips are whats known as a compond exercise. It calls into play both large and small muscle groups. After damaging my rotator cuff via the decline bench press, I rehabed my shoulder by doing dips and pushups instead of using free weights for chest exercises.
Just so you can confirm that the world is FULL of "frigging" retards-simply enter into a google search the following: rotator+cuff+dips. You will find over 50 websites that give the caveat not to do dips. Many are Orthopedic Surgeons or Physical Therapists. It certainly is possible that they are retarded if you say so.
an interesting topic this is. I mean no disrespects or anything, but overall the shoulder is actually weaker than we all think, and is most likely the injured section for most athletes. Afterall, swimming or even playing tennis can work on the rotator cuff, like dips.
I think you need to be careful with these exercises (dips, push up's etc), but also concentrate on other exercises to strengthen your shoulder muscles... muscles that are not visible to the eye. I think most people focus on the visible muscles (bicep, 6pack, pecs)... to be "healthy" on the outside rather than the inside (non visible-muscle, food, etc.)
To finish off... we are all live beings trying to survive the real world. SOme of the most fastest, strongest animals out there are conditioned by their own bodyweight, and these exercises follow the same principle for human beings. We all just need to be careful... that is all, and don't rush it.
we find today tht people only accept buff looking guys oppinions and forget that mr gotch has a life time of experience that no matter how good you are 50 yrs takes 50 yrs so be glad for an old head to pass down training advice
Oh I'm not saying he's not, I've never seen Karl Gotch before, I know Matt Furey talks a lot about the guy and always in superlatives. He looks amazing for 75
Karl Gotch="tough as coffin nails"
Raokenx 11 months ago
What do you call that thing that looks sort of like an assisted, twisting muscle up on the bars?
JBMontgomery87 11 months ago
These old school guys were fucking tough and strong. All the current wrestlers are just bodybuilders with superficial strength. This is how you train if you want to be a real fighter.
newreleasecalculator 11 months ago
sidradel, funny!!
GKGOOKINS 1 year ago
@matthewking410 You're right. I was having some "knee" issues and through trial and error, I discovered that it was from a lack of flexibility in my knees and lack of strength in the connective tissues of my knee. I do think that I have the problem corrected now by working on fixing the imbalances.
fmagalhaes1521 1 year ago
Holy sh*t Gotch is no joke.
fightXusa 1 year ago
We had an assistant wrestling coach who taught us some Karl Gotch excercises! Hardcore stuff, but if I was a younger man, I'd do the 'Bartendaz' upper body workout nowadays!
BTW, Bardips are GREAT for wrestlers!
azvideoguy 1 year ago
I agree, I like conditioning for combat sports and you can get it at: I think it is scientificwrestling, budo video and I actually just rented it online from goldstarvideo. great video highly recommend it
chloebear2006 2 years ago
Karl Gotch is still good stuff! Which videos of his would your recommend and where could I find them?
BusterBoy5555 2 years ago
This training WILL wreck your body...if you mess with someone who has had it.
madmanszalinski 2 years ago
ha =]
marioman28 2 years ago
Dips are not recommended as a primary exercise ESPECIALLY fpr someone who has ever suffered a shoulder seperation.
However, athletes have to go less tan ideal training sometimes. Athletes do not train for longterm health but fitness to do their sport. Gotch's body was wrecked as he got older. great shape, but wrecked. Do this stuff for a specific reason. Still better than sitting on your fat asses begin couch potato critics.
LardInATubeSock 2 years ago
Karl Gotch...a throwback..they don't make em like this anymore.
flickerman68 2 years ago 4
Great exercices for well conditioned athletes but u must always keep chin up when doing dips... and if you are hardcore try doing the first two with a fit ball instead of a spotter = Real hard
honda535 2 years ago
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tonyvalente 3 years ago
Thats what you call conditioning training! Karl Gotch was a legitimate badass.
eltubster14 3 years ago 4
thats so fuckin nice ..awesome!! who r these fuckin retards on the boards saying this exercise is bad for that and that is going to destroy this and all that shit....i bet they read a lot and do little...first do it and as u do it analyze it and criticize it first be in a position to do it then talk shit or else shut up
sidhyarth 3 years ago
I'm "retarded".....but at least I have first grade grammer skills. What is your excuse?
jeetman100 2 years ago
yeah u do have first grade 'grammer' skills
sidhyarth 2 years ago 2
if you want a real workout do the first exercise without help..... and then the others!! anyways are great exercises!
jesusparkour 3 years ago
it may appear he is assisting him in the first move but its actualy makes it harder because his back is in a harder position so its works the lower body aswel.
hooperz06 3 years ago 2
Omg..dude..im fukin exhausted just watching this shit...Karl Gotch, and all the legends of yesteryear..were men of steel. The wrestlers of today would drop a load into their panties if they trained how the old legends did.
sidradel 4 years ago 16
Workouts then probably seemed more primitive and hardcore. But today athletics is at a whole new level. Look at Gable when he invented the "Iowa Style" and how they trained. Old guys did not train like that, no matter what you say. Guys like Kurt Angle took this shit to a whole new level.
CSchruppNMU 3 years ago
all this exercises must make their torsos ridiculously built, no wonder they work so well for wresling
65infanteria 4 years ago 2
That's basic but pretty creative!
v20coeurs 4 years ago
RIP Karl Gotch!!
falsepride 4 years ago 10
RIP Karl Gotch, thank you!
gomiftw 4 years ago
You were one of the few real deal in submission wrestling. Shooto fighters, Sakuraba, Ken and Frank Shamrock proved your submission techniques do work in outside of the pro-wrestling arena. I really miss you.
wing0120022000 4 years ago
Only Ken Shamrock has not won a fight in several years. His technique was always over-rated. I still see him failing at heel-hook attempts that most beginners could do. He had more balls than technique. Made basically an ass of himself vs. Tito. Still he was a pioneer. No doudt.
jeetman100 4 years ago
But honestly, who are you to criticze Shamrock? Are you a fighter who has credentials? If so, that's fine. Your opinion if your opinion. And most people know that Shamrock probably didn't have the technique as well as some of the best fighters of today, but he's still Shamrock and he made a great impression on the sport.
CSchruppNMU 3 years ago
Read my comment again. I identified him as a "pioneer-no doudt". I would call that giving him credit. To answer your question: I do not have "credentials". But that is very flawed logic. I criticize the President often-do I need to occupy the White House first in order to do so?? Should I be a drug addict before criticizing drug abusers??
jeetman100 3 years ago
omg, those look beastly!
i am definitely doing these next time, with a friend! :D
severmine 4 years ago
In response to jeetmans comment about dips....You are a frigging retard! Dips will not damage your rotator cuff. If anything they will strenghthen them. Dips are whats known as a compond exercise. It calls into play both large and small muscle groups. After damaging my rotator cuff via the decline bench press, I rehabed my shoulder by doing dips and pushups instead of using free weights for chest exercises.
jms463 4 years ago
Hi-
Just so you can confirm that the world is FULL of "frigging" retards-simply enter into a google search the following: rotator+cuff+dips. You will find over 50 websites that give the caveat not to do dips. Many are Orthopedic Surgeons or Physical Therapists. It certainly is possible that they are retarded if you say so.
jeetman100 4 years ago
an interesting topic this is. I mean no disrespects or anything, but overall the shoulder is actually weaker than we all think, and is most likely the injured section for most athletes. Afterall, swimming or even playing tennis can work on the rotator cuff, like dips.
wrestler50000 4 years ago
I think you need to be careful with these exercises (dips, push up's etc), but also concentrate on other exercises to strengthen your shoulder muscles... muscles that are not visible to the eye. I think most people focus on the visible muscles (bicep, 6pack, pecs)... to be "healthy" on the outside rather than the inside (non visible-muscle, food, etc.)
wrestler50000 4 years ago
To finish off... we are all live beings trying to survive the real world. SOme of the most fastest, strongest animals out there are conditioned by their own bodyweight, and these exercises follow the same principle for human beings. We all just need to be careful... that is all, and don't rush it.
wrestler50000 4 years ago
Quickest way to destroy your rotator cuff is to do dips!!!!! I don't care if he is the greatest wrestler known to mankind. DON'T DO THEM!!!!
jeetman100 4 years ago
jeetman100
i agree with you about destroying your rotator cuff.
rjohnjay 4 years ago
Yep Dips are what messed up my shoulder.
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
Careful....one of these scholars may call you a "retard".
jeetman100 2 years ago
HAHAHA!!! scholars!
shaokem 2 years ago
Karl Gotch was the real deal and was a great hooker and performer. much respect to a true legend of wrestling!
thebigandgreat1 4 years ago
we find today tht people only accept buff looking guys oppinions and forget that mr gotch has a life time of experience that no matter how good you are 50 yrs takes 50 yrs so be glad for an old head to pass down training advice
a1drifter 5 years ago
But Gotch -was- a "buff looking guy", in his youth -and- in his 70s.
lazur1 4 years ago 2
Is the older guy Karl Gotch? Find it bit hard to believe
peckerwood78 5 years ago
How is it hard to believe? He was born in 1925, making him 75 when this video apparently came out.
asheater2 5 years ago 3
Oh I'm not saying he's not, I've never seen Karl Gotch before, I know Matt Furey talks a lot about the guy and always in superlatives. He looks amazing for 75
peckerwood78 5 years ago
That is Mr. Gotch PW.
Babyfaceref 5 years ago
Gotch was born August 24, 1924. The product was produced in 2000, but the clip here is time-stamped April 1995, making him a still-respectable 70.
lazur1 4 years ago 3
Which makes it all the more amazing....simply amazing.
CSchruppNMU 3 years ago