Another great video, couldn't agree more with your comments on prayer. Whilst it's a big and humbling thing to actually ask others for help - prayer actually achieves NOTHING - action does.
It makes me laugh when you think about it, if people believe, then they have faith that god has a plan and it may not be evident to mere mortals etc etc, and then they prayfor something effectively saying that the plan needs changing - how does that work? oh yeah NO GOD!.
"It's an incredible con job when you think about it, to believe something now in exchange for something after death. Even corporations with their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous."
@PerdiePerduta179 Hey, sorry about the censorship. Hopefully whoever it is will stop marking it as spam. The original comment is extremely flawed anyway, so it's more likely a theist trying to hide it. Blatantly expressing that you draw conclusions without first examining actual evidence is an excellent example of how to live under tragic delusion. An atheist would want that held up for all to see, not hidden.
anyway the reason I wanted to know your answer is because when I googled it I found:
... results of the 6 month survey showed Christians give twice the percentage to non-religious causes as non-Christians do. This twice as much does not include what Christians give to churches and Christian organizations...
So I was wondering how you draw your conclusions about their complacency.
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
Channel operator CompletelyLovely does ask us to let her know what we think so I have little respect for the atheist bot owners who have been silencing MsPerduta's every post.
The various Perdie Perdutas want them to know they cannot possibly prevail in their subterfuge... so all I want to know is what CompletelyLovely thinks of people abusing technology to fake public opinion?
Alas bots have obliterated MsPerduta's post but she said as follows:
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
Live as if you believe in "good" ;^)
Love from Perdie and death to atheist bots from cyber space!
... anyway thumbs up but you have to realize that "Live as if there is no god!" can to some people mean being selfish and greedy and eat your pie b4 you die.
I don't have any figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
It's not a win win.Stupid,one is leading the life which God has made our purpose to and the other in which we have no purpose or morals or drive as you say because if don't think there's a god and life is the only "snip-it" than you are going to do everything which pleases you and not the others.do think about it.
You are classifying all religious people as being apathetic or indifferent toward suffering. I know many non faith people who are indifferent. So I guess I can conclude that non faith based people are also indifferent living for today and living for their carnal their pleasures, right? You have opinions but no facts.
@Duck4212 Well obviously some people are just indifferent to the suffering of others. Christians just feel justified in their callousness. Atheists who are indifferent just face reality and realize they are a prick. Thing is...when you realize that you actually are an indifferent prick, at least you aren't trotting around acting like you are governed by some kind of transcendant moral code. So be indifferent if yu want, but shut the hell up about Jesus. That's all.
@Snakepliskinist Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
@Duck4212 I don't know why you put that played-out hogwash. It only supports my point. If you think Jesus did all the heavy lifting saving, and God did all the loving, you conveniently are spared responsibility. Furthermore you can ignore suffering, because it will either be redressed or is deserved. So you can ignore suffering around you, and still ride your moral high horse because you believe, and your book tells you that believing shit is the loftiest aspiration. How very nice for you.
@Snakepliskinist I think you owe me an apology. I never said that a Christian is to ignore suffering. What I said was that NON Christians, just like anybody else including some Christians, do indeed ignore suffering. I was responding to a claim from a non christian who was claiming that ALL Christians are apathetic. That's not true statement. The logic was flawed in that argument and I took issue. Read my response again before you go off half cocked.
@Duck4212 And I said the non-religious people who ignore suffering are inherently better people than the christians who ignore suffering, because they have no spurious pretense of righteousness. Also, tendency toward obesity is proportional to religiosity. This has been shown by many studies. I guess those christians are living for at least one carnal pleasure more than atheists.
@Snakepliskinist If you're talking about hypocrites who are pretending to be righteous then I agree. There are plenty of them. True Christians believers know that their righteousness is in Christ not in their own works. Christians should never be thought of as being a better or more righteous person than any other person. They succeed and fail just like anybody else. The only thing that separates a Christian from a non Christian is the grace of Christ in their salvation by faith.
@Duck4212 If a person's "righteousness is in Christ" then their righteousness is not in their works. They believe in Jesus and feel that this makes them better than a non-believer who actually tries to make the world a better place in actual, objective reality. There is no God. Belief in Jesus is not a virtue: it is just a willingness to not think. That is what faith is. Anyone who tell you faith is a good thing will also be telling you unbelievable crap. This is not moral at all.
@Snakepliskinist I am one of those you call "they" and I don't feel that my faith in Jesus makes me feel better than any other person, period. I feel good about being saved and I know the righteousness is God's , not mine, therefore I have no right to bragg about anything concerning myself. I am sorry to hear that you believe that there is no God. But,actually there is a God. Jesus is the best thing to ever happen to me. At one time I didn't believe either, but I now know how wrong I was.
@Duck4212 Who knows the most about reality? Scientists, clearly. What percentage of scientists believe in God? less that 7%. How many have a religion? 2%. The people who make the investigation of reality itself, the people doing the jobs that clearly require great working knowledge of how the world work as well as intelligence, know better than to believe in a religion. I hate to play that card, but the smarter you are, the less likely you are to be religious.
@Snakepliskinist Knowing about God is spiritual not academic. Knowledge of God is revealed by His Spirit. If one thinks that spirit is nonsense they will think God is nonsense and they will not know or understand God. It's a waste of time of a person who is not spiritual to even read the bible. It will mean nothing to them. That's why there are so many often contradictory understandings of the nature of God. God will only reveal himself to those who seek him.
@Duck4212 I agree this is true, but I will stipulate that spirituality is akin to a mental disorder. You may feel these things to be deeply true on an emotional level, but that has absolutely nothing to do with actual, factual reality. People can go around feeling things are true all the time. If these things are unsupported by facts and logic, then they are experiencing a delusion or at the very least a misapprehension.
@Snakepliskinist You're failing to account for how all cultural views beyond nihilism and empirically supported facts are similarly classifiable and dismissible as a "disorder". Humanity is more significant than what "is in order", as are such things as truth, love, value, morals, and any sort of purpose or connection to anything beyond the bleak sheepish mechanical following and reacting to what circumstances have us thinking.
@Snakepliskinist I am a "carnal" human being type Christian as the Apostle Paul says we all are, and I am not obese and I am not self righteous and I don't ignore suffering and I don't think any person is inherently better or worse than I am and just like anybody I have good days and bad days and I even occasionally get angry at other Christians for their hypocrisy and the saving gospel is not played out hogwash.
BTW, That study you refer to must not have sent me their questionaire.
This is fukking bullshit, I dont understand why I cant seek scientific truth and still practice or respect religion? freedom of religion is democratic right. Science creates stability. This opinion war is crap and its bringing only shit to both science and religion. Science doesn't have to be arrogant, Religion doesn't have to be oblivious. Stop the war you retards.
Yeah, I pretty much agree. If there's a god, then He/It wants us to care about each other, period... accounting for "The Hand of God" has no benefit.
However, the emotionally-charged way of delivering this message is unnecessarily inflammatory, really. It seems as if every sentence spoken here is kind of an attack; doesn't appeal by way of reason, instead it seems to be a way to pressure or something. Doing so isn't going to make faithful consider the message more...just gonna make defensivenes
@Maarilat I live in Kansas, I've been an atheist since I was six, and now I'm sixty-eight. I truly have exhausted every variant of every type of logical argument and religion. Religious people can no more see the insanely obvious by anothers logic than a gorilla can learn calculus. It's a mental disease you have to shake off by your own logic or not at all. So I figure why not take some jabs at them? They've been annoying me with their crap my whole life; it's only fair.
Awesome points, part of why people love religion is that it puts the responsibility on god to help people's pain instead of themselves. Just pray to Jesus, surely he'll help, and forget about the suffering of others.
The only problem is the debate itself. Existence is a symphony of dualities. And people should physically divide on their philosophical boundaries, then there would be no arguments. It's called a fork in the road. But we don't divide, we won't divide, for some F'd up reason. The absence of division is a stagnant evolution. Life must divide or it will devolve. It's that simple.
great vid I totaly agree also the bible says most of the people are allready judged anyway will go to hell to be tortured for ever no matter how they pray live or belive only a handful will go to heaven and that is a sick idea
I like what you are saying about not being complacent to others in need. It makes me think of what Jesus did when he was on this Earth and what he asks us as human beings to remember to do. So I have to disagree that religious people who actually live by the teachings are complacent to those in need.
@diglightdig Jesus talked a good game, but he was a terrible example of helping those in need. If Christians are right and he had all the power and knowledge in the universe, then he didn't bother to teach people about bacteria or simple health practices that could have prevented so much suffering. He continued to let them believe that demons were making them ill. And he only helped his in-group, and ignored the rest of the world that could have used his powers. Terrible example
@CompletelyLovely --- I'm playing with the Christians, I bet some of them would agree with me too. It sounds good.
I believe Jesus was a couragous and moral person who tried to stop the Pharisees from buring people at the stake, so he preached the concepts of forgiveness and that his crucifixion was the payment for the sin of all humanity.
Can you imagine how painful it must be to be burned/roasted to dead ?
@sinnieleeonUtube I used to think the jesus character was a moral one. Until i realised the true level of sickness that follows his intentions. Look past the helping people and forgiveness and all that stuff and look at his core message. "Follow me and receive ultimate reward regardless of your misdeeds however should you not follow me you will suffer eternal torture because of the misdeeds of your long past ancestors" absolutely despicable and disgusting.
Jesus was human when he walked the earth, he wasn't an almighty being. His miracles were performed by God through him. Jesus didn't claim any honor or praise for the works he performed. His praise went to God and he told the people he wasn't responsible for his miracles. How do you know he didn't try and teach people those things? How many people do you know now that are told ways to saty healthy and totally disregard it. People hated Jesus back then also.
I think you meant "rivalry"...did you read (completely) or understand my comment? Jesus never claimed to be a God. His miracles were acts of God through him. (Your sarcasm was understood)
so because most of the Christians you know say that Jesus did claim to be God then that means most Christians across the world? I don't see how you can make that bold statement. My apology if you weren't being sarcastic.
You also are bold to assume that I am a believer. Are all atheist mind readers? Mr Jesus was hated because the Roman rulers despised him. That means that all the little people brainwashed by these Roman leaders despised him also. The rulers hated the fact that Jesus began to have a following of people. They hated the fact Jesus claimed there was a God that worked his miracles through him. They despised the fact that there could be someone more powerful than them.
Didn’t know the romans forced people to worship their gods in those years.
So it's all an issue of not respecting the law.
No state would allow a competing power that collects wealth and controls the peoples will and minds, why should this new gang leader be free to do what he wants?
I don’t hate gang leaders just because they preach nonsense, so why should I or anyone hate Mr. Jesus, unless there is some serious hidden issue.
It's not an issue of respecting the law. It's not an issue of mind control. It's not an issue of a "gang" leader. The serious hidden issue was that they could lose power if there really was a powerful being that could perform such miracles. The Roman leaders didn't like the fact that Jesus professed His praise for God and not them.
I gave you definition of "hatred" in a different video. Spin it the way you prefer.
@diglightdig "The Roman leaders didn't like the fact that Jesus professed His praise for God and not them."
The roman leaders had their gods, why on earth would they want someone to praise them?
But I understand your view, in the same way christianity has been forced onto everyone for over a thousand years, I had compulsory Christian religion and worshiping for all my school years in the 60's and 70's, no other option was contemplated.
God or gods, Roman leaders weren't concerned so much about that. The roman leaders would have had a revolution by the people had they let Jesus live. They still doubted even though these miracles took place before their eyes. They pushed it off as magic. And when Jesus died on the cross, it only proved to make people believe that God wasn't real. In their minds, if God was real, why didn't He save his only son from dying on the cross.
You are talking as if the show was real, on what basis should Mr Jesus be credible and those of others be judged fake?
There were no miracles, Mr Jesus was an imposter like all the others, I see no reason why he should have been treated any better. No contemporary has recorded anything about him, the first records start nearly 100 years later, all the information we know was manipulated by the Romans centuries later when they forced Christianity on everyone.
You apparently know what has been written but you answered your own question. Christianity is not a religion. So the Romans could not have forced it on everyone.
@diglightdig "Well, I hope you have the freedom to live the way you like. Take care"
More or less, had compulsory Christian religion and worshiping all my school years in South Africa (a 10% white population converted the nation to 90% Christianity in 50 years), I move to Italy where we have a strong Catholic church that still has exclusive power from an agreement in 1929 with the fascist Mussolini.
I will be having a crucifix on my death bed whether I like it or not.
@diglightdig I believe when you stated, "So I have to disagree that religious people who actually live by the teachings are complacent to those in need." that you actually might know of someone who actually lives by the teachings of Christ. I would like to meet said person and shake that person's hand.
I should rephrase that and say His teaching of being compassionate to one another and doing unto others as you would have things done unto you. There are more people than you think that try and live the right way. You should shake the hand of the next person that does something nice for you. You could even give them a hug. It's all about being positive and thinking of someone else and their feelings.
You seem really messed up, why deny all this beauty you are talking about? Believe, come to a world of beauty and reality, and amazement. And why shouldn`t prayer work? Ofcourse if you don`t believe in that yourself, it won`t work. But others again state that they are influencing the world by prayer.. Even so people of esoteric religion do not pray, but believe in the mind as the ultimate force, and God created you (the mind) with himself. Denying this seems like such of a miserable life. Peace.
Modern atheists will tell you that since the first supposition is impossible and the second is unpalatable, "Nothing caused the universe to come into being. It just happened and we need not consider it further. Please pass the cookies."
“So vast, without any question, is the divine handiwork of the Almighty Creator.”
Nicolaus Copernicus, cited in Owen Gingerich, “God’s Universe" (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2006)
@SuperTruthlover What exactly is your proposal? Is it for humans to stop all this free thinking foolishness and to accept the book of Genesis as an indisputable factual document declared to us by God therefore eliminating any further line of questioning regarding the age of the universe? Are we to accept that there were trees on Earth before there were stars in the sky?
@SuperTruthlover " we need not consider it further.” --> really I was under the impression tha tits the religious who blindly accept their creation stories, and its generally the people who dare to question, who arn’t to prideful to admit that they don’t have all the answers, who generally happen to not be religious... But thats just in my experience
Illogical statements are something that atheists usually take great pains to avoid, except when they’re confronted with the reality of Creator God. Then, it seems, all bets are off. The fact remains, and it remains a fact that is based on what science tells us is true, that everything that begins to exist, including the universe, had its cause from something outside of itself. There are no known exceptions to this observed and consistently verified rule.
You said it was too much to read 500 characters so I busted you balls of unusually small size LOL lighten up
What hypocrisy are you talking about?
I would have to do what I don't believe in and pretent I did not dod such things for me to play the hypocrite LOL giving you a hard time make you cry LOL
When it comes to the origins of our universe, we must choose between Matter as infinite and Creator God who is Spirit, as infinite and eternal (existing outside of time). Reason states that it must be One and not the other for matter cannot pre-exist itself either physically or chronologically, nor can matter bring itself into existence or create itself. Again, it is impossible for Matter to be infinite or to exist from eternity past.
atheists used to agree that there cannot be an infinite regress of cause. Confronted with the reality of the nature of matter, modern atheists, supposedly intelligent atheist insist that Creator God, who is Spirit, must also adhere to the law of first cause. Again, it is so elementary it's difficult to understand how these individuals cannot grasp that physical laws do not apply to Spirit. Since God is by definition outside the universe, He is not part of any series.
@spareaxe I am an atheist? I am not an atheist in any way.Which god loves her?The true and only God,the one thats in heaven,the one that sent his only son to die on a cross for our sin,and all we have to do is believe it in our heart and ask him to forgive us of our sins,and be saved.there is no other gods,all the other so called gods are dead,God is in heaven and is alive forever more.If the only hope I have is in this life,I don't have very much.
@honeyman1964 Do you believe in Islam or their prophet Muhammed? If not, why don't you believe? Your an atheist with respect to other religions of the world....you don't accept their evidence do you. They are just fairy tales with supernatural gods too....sound familiar? Your god is the only god....welcome to the club brother athiest!!
wow...where i am from 99.9 % of people dont believe in "that shit' ..but are really fucked up spiritually - you made a giant ASSUMPTION in your little blurb that NOT believing would help .
They could do much worse than getting their arse to church ,sober , respectful and glad of the wonderous gift of life they have been given .
How about some positive from an atheist.... Fact everything you know is comprised of atoms. Atoms can not be created nor destroyed. Nothing ever dies but only transforms into something else. This is a fact that can not be argued and I as an atheist take this to heart and live my life knowing that everything is alive in some way and never dies and you should live your life honestly,with humor and compassion dont waste your time worrying about god or no god believe in what you know
@Whiskeyspitt You said it buddy ...we transform - into another form after death ..thats right. Believe in what you know- you say ? I know that leaders are mostly lying power drunk sons of bitchs ..but just like god ...its hard to prove it .
Stalin lived as if there was no God. How did that work out? Arguing with no absolute standard means that your arguments are sort of pointless. Have a glorious day!!!
@darlgc Stalin had his own ideologies and that's the problem. Ideologies can be very dangerous whether they're religious or not. What Stalin did has zero to do with atheism.
@darlgc What does Stalin have to do with atheism? How did the "dark ages" work out? Can we apply the same argument to paint Christianity with Jim Jones? How did THAT work out? See...now your argument becomes pointless. Have a "blessed" day.
@discolemonade66 In your description you talked about how Theism caused so much trouble. Stalin was an atheist who killed more people than all religious conflicts combined. Since, humans are just another animal and their is no absolute truth I guess that is OK then. A belief in God could have possibly hindered his behavior.
@darlgc People throw Stalin's name at atheists all the time, as if he committed murder in the name of atheism. He didn't. He was a mad-man. Paranoid and power hungry.
His people, however, were *very* religious in that they had been indoctrinated for years into a cult of leader adoration. People can do evil things regardless of their belief in a god, but the only way for a leader to move millions is by dipping into the well of dogmatic belief and blind unquestioning obedience to authority.
you crack me up thinking the it was the fault to the people who had faith in God that allowed Stalin to rule. NO it was men of faith the he did away with by killing 50 million that did oppose him .Stalin closed 130,000 churches and banned the word of God from men in order to promote atheism .He did not call it atheism but his actions speak for themselves
@discolemonade66 Ol jim was no more christian than stalin was ..dont confuse the messanger with the message...you cant just say you are anything - it must be backed up . I believe ...but my life has been self serving - so i do not consider myself a christian - that must change to a life of servitude of my less fortuanate brother or sister -before i can even dream of calling myself a "christian ' You cant just label yourself . Hitlers action spoke louder than any bullshit claim of his faith.
I think people that talk about any religion at all is idiotic be it atheism or christianity. Let people believe in what they what to believe in and shut up. If it helps them get through life then theres no harm in it as long as they aren't forcing it down others throats. Why is this a related video to Com Truises music?!
The hope of glory is what gives strength to get through the suffering, as it has with me many of times. And yes prey lifts me and opens me to Gods source of strength up to me!. Lovely, even though i disagree with you, you come across as a golden person with a gem of a heart, which i believe to be a gift from God :)
@shakinahstorm My buddy is a paramedic. He got called to a church a few weeks ago. Apparently, an elderly gentleman had fallen against a pew and gashed his neck open. The people called 911 and then sat and prayed. When my friend got there, they all started saying, "praise the lord our prayers have been answered" and things like that.
Well, since everyone sat around and prayed instead of putting pressure on the wound, the old man bled to death right there in front of everyone.
@Grimtheorist So what was being prayed for, that the old fellow would bleed to death?. Its interesting that they would pursue the logical step of calling 911, and yet not go on to the next logical step of applying medical attention to this gentleman in the way you suggested, it does not add up?, i suspect that the truth of the situation has been compromised somewhere along the line?. If not, these church goers are obviously way to spiritual for any earthly good.
@shakinahstorm So they aren't "real christians"? I like how you can so easily pick and choose things like that, and things like which facts you want to believe. Truth is, it did happen, at least by my friends recollection (and he's not an atheist like I am).
So the truth here is that you don't have enough faith in your god that he would help a bleeding person. So how does praying to a god help you in any way? You think he's gonna care about you but not a bleeding old man?
@Grimtheorist Firstly i made no mention as to their Christian authenticity?, any how even if i did, check it out, whos to say that im not a real athiest, its so easy to pick and choose things like that?. And no, faith has nothing to do with when a persons time is up, when its up, its up, fullstop.
@shakinahstorm Fair enough. Your god is just not powerful enough to stop death. Or is it that he just doesn't care? And you did question their authenticity when you said "over zealous spiritual people who are not in touch with the God they worship". They aren't in touch, but you are. Their prayer is too spiritual for any earthly good, but you are the right amount of spiritual? You are the right one, and they are the wrong ones? You know god's will and plan, but they don't? Nice.
@Grimtheorist All i what you just wrote, came from nowhere else but yourself!.
So no, i did not question their authenticity, just as im out of touch with God often and very capable of making mistakes in my own humanity, im not about to question the authenticity of the love i have for God, in the same way as these zealous individuals are capable of losing touch, still they wont be questioning their love for God. Your making the common mistake of running away with misinterpretation.
@shakinahstorm You can't be out of touch with god and claim to know his wishes and desires. Maybe all of you theists are so out of touch with god, that you have totally re-invented what he is all about. What if what he says in the bible about murdering gays and unruly children is actually what he wants right now? What if human sacrifice is what he wants? You'd have no way of knowing because you are so out of touch with him.
The real question is why do you love a psychopathic murderer so much?
@Grimtheorist Sorry Grim, but champion your missing what it is to be a Christian. See the thing is, whilst it is true that Christians tend to find themselves out of touch (partly to do with our imperfect nature as humans), the fact remains that the fundamentals are planted on our hearts, and that is Jesus nailed the mosaic old testament law to the cross.
Psychopathic murderer?, youve already shown unwarranted assertion once, how can you trust your interpretation on this topic now?
@shakinahstorm Someone counted all the times in the bible that god orders people killed... it numbers over 2 million people.
I am not the one with the unwarranted assertion. That is the theist's realm. You claim that there is a god that somehow created everything and loves you unconditionally. But what about the other gods that you deny? Do they not have equal sway? You may be a true christian, but you are a false Hindu, and maybe that's the right religion. Maybe you are blaspheming everyday.
@Grimtheorist 1stly, i would like to know of the individual who made this count?.
2ndly, The reason for your misinterpretation is that your reading the Old Testament from todays perspective and culture. The culture that ancient society built for themselves was severly corrupt and brutal, the morals we have today were virtually non existent, so the measure of Gods justice was equal to that of the culture.
Todays religions are the result from the collapse of the babalonian tower.
you assert someone said God had men put to death according to the bible
Do you assert the bible is true than?
I don't think so
Where you have stories you believe are false to validate your assertion I have real accounts of atheist leaders killing 120 million people seems atheists leaders are much more likely to kill you then God or His people
@SuperTruthlover Amen brother...i'll go further - and say : I can read arrogance, ignorance and vanity into her face ...but thats not very charitable of me - so i wont
@SuperTruthlover If you look at the miriad of religions and the 100s of dieties that millions of people have worshipped throughout history, I assert that some things are "proven" by the existence of that history.
1) many people have an deep emotional need to worship something bigger than themselves
2) to meet that need people can, and will, invent religious godheads and symbols to worship
3) people invented religions prior to and after Jesus Christ.
@SuperTruthlover I didn't shift my position. You assumed my position was to disprove the existence of God. My position is only that human history proves, at minimum, those 4 things that I listed. That's all. Religious dogma is fiction invented by people and that includes Jesus Christ's monopoly on the afterlife.
@shakinahstorm Your god is barbaric and the fact that you don't realize that makes me scared of what you might do. Kill your children if "he" asks you to? Demolish villages and rape the virgin girls if "he" asks you to? Hate certain people because "he" commanded it? Start genocidal wars because its "his" will?
So what its like to be a Christian is being a potential psychopath. Killing and raping and pillaging because you hear a voice. Totally not an unwarranted assertion.
:Demolish villages and rape the virgin girls if "he" asks you to? Hate certain people because "he" commanded it? Start genocidal wars because its "his" will?"
You are living a fantasy where it is the righteous men who murder and rape others
What we find in the REAL world is godless men Murder and rape and banned bibles
Why is it that atheist leaders have killed `120 million in the 20th century alone?
@Grimtheorist You give me one example from the actions of some over zealous spiritual people who are not in touch with the God they worship, now we are to live as there is no God?. Ok then, right to start of i guess im going to have to find a new standard to way up my morals against, or should i just go with what ever seems best for me?, i mean whats right for you may not be right for me?. Now thats worked out, i can go on towards the ultimate goal of becoming worm bait when i die.
@shakinahstorm The idea is to go with what's best for humanity and the earth. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
What's right for one religion may not be right for another, so your argument has no weight. Morals are not dictated by religion, but the other way around. When we thought slavery was ok, the book said to own slaves. When we abolished slavery, we stopped reading the part of the book that says to own slaves. Now you pretend like it doesn't even say to own slaves.
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khaled7stars 9 hours ago
You're beautiful and atheist O.o can you be any better!!
stoicfan 4 days ago
Another great video, couldn't agree more with your comments on prayer. Whilst it's a big and humbling thing to actually ask others for help - prayer actually achieves NOTHING - action does.
It makes me laugh when you think about it, if people believe, then they have faith that god has a plan and it may not be evident to mere mortals etc etc, and then they prayfor something effectively saying that the plan needs changing - how does that work? oh yeah NO GOD!.
richbown 5 days ago
Couldn't agree more :)
aliciacroft 6 days ago
I think I just fell in love!!!! I've never heard anyone verbally express my thoughts with such grace!!
beautifulvampires777 6 days ago
Ya.... I'd rather pursue my orgasmic bliss here on earth. Promises are a dime a dozen. Good job.
GodlessArtist 6 days ago
"It's an incredible con job when you think about it, to believe something now in exchange for something after death. Even corporations with their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous."
..........Gloria Steinem
KasparHauser6 6 days ago 3
CompletelyLovely: "It's up to us to make this world great"
I disagree! It's up to kitties to make the world great...
and they do fine job of it.
Arikiel 1 week ago
The was a Completely Lovely approach, well done Completely Lovely. :)
martyngmeyers 1 week ago
You, lady, are completely lovely. That dude who you are responding to is a putz too, he blocked me when we got into a debate.
TheKenTerry 1 week ago
Channel operator CompletelyLovely does ask us to let her know what we think so I have little respect for the censorship.
PerdiePerduta179 1 week ago
@PerdiePerduta179 Hey, sorry about the censorship. Hopefully whoever it is will stop marking it as spam. The original comment is extremely flawed anyway, so it's more likely a theist trying to hide it. Blatantly expressing that you draw conclusions without first examining actual evidence is an excellent example of how to live under tragic delusion. An atheist would want that held up for all to see, not hidden.
CompletelyLovely 1 week ago 2
@CompletelyLovely
I'm pretty sure it is a rating bot.
Seems to be active on a lot of channels always flagging the same people no matter what they post.
So you don't know anything about it then?
PerdiePerduta179 6 days ago
@CompletelyLovely
anyway the reason I wanted to know your answer is because when I googled it I found:
... results of the 6 month survey showed Christians give twice the percentage to non-religious causes as non-Christians do. This twice as much does not include what Christians give to churches and Christian organizations...
So I was wondering how you draw your conclusions about their complacency.
PerdiePerduta2 6 days ago
@CompletelyLovely your cute and your hair looks lovely ^_^
valsotto27 4 days ago
MsPerduta asked:
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
Live as if you believe in "good" ;^)
PerdiePerduta179 1 week ago
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I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
Live as if you believe in "good" ;^)
MsPerduta 1 week ago
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MsPerduta asked:
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
Live as if you believe in "good" ;^)
PerdiePerduta57 1 week ago
"I'll pray for you." - the greatest example of religious complacency and 'passing the buck'.
zeldagoblin 1 week ago
Channel operator CompletelyLovely does ask us to let her know what we think so I have little respect for the atheist bot owners who have been silencing MsPerduta's every post.
The various Perdie Perdutas want them to know they cannot possibly prevail in their subterfuge... so all I want to know is what CompletelyLovely thinks of people abusing technology to fake public opinion?
Let us know what YOU think of their tactics
PerdiePerduta179 1 week ago
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Alas bots have obliterated MsPerduta's post but she said as follows:
I don't have figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
... anyway thumbs up, but realize that "Live as if there is no god!" is not as good as
Live as if you believe in "good" ;^)
Love from Perdie and death to atheist bots from cyber space!
PerdiePerduta2 1 week ago
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... anyway thumbs up but you have to realize that "Live as if there is no god!" can to some people mean being selfish and greedy and eat your pie b4 you die.
I would rather change it to say:
Live as if you believe there is "good" ;^)
MsPerduta 1 week ago
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I don't have any figures but the impression I get is that by far the majority of charitable work is undertaken by religious organizations. Is it really fair to say they are more 'complacent' about human suffering than anyone else?
MsPerduta 1 week ago
"Science will win because it's useful" - Stephen Hawking
HannoverFisk 1 week ago
You're absolutely right and absolutely insane. If I knew you in real life, I would be afraid of you.
sleazybtd 1 week ago
a pretty girl with brain, :D
mtct27 1 week ago
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@mtct27 the fact she doesn't believe in god doesn't make her smart, it just makes her smarter then 90% of the world xD
MasSaCreS9 1 week ago
So god allows us to learn and grow by causing pain and suffering, death and destruction? I can learn and grow without that, your god sounds evil.
philosophergenius 1 week ago
It's not a win win.Stupid,one is leading the life which God has made our purpose to and the other in which we have no purpose or morals or drive as you say because if don't think there's a god and life is the only "snip-it" than you are going to do everything which pleases you and not the others.do think about it.
ShahJahan572 2 weeks ago
Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!
ShahJahan572 2 weeks ago
marry me
nynyfball28 2 weeks ago
I don't believe in religion, but I still find you annoying.
ChrisHarrisonKiwi 2 weeks ago
You are classifying all religious people as being apathetic or indifferent toward suffering. I know many non faith people who are indifferent. So I guess I can conclude that non faith based people are also indifferent living for today and living for their carnal their pleasures, right? You have opinions but no facts.
Duck4212 2 weeks ago
@Duck4212 Well obviously some people are just indifferent to the suffering of others. Christians just feel justified in their callousness. Atheists who are indifferent just face reality and realize they are a prick. Thing is...when you realize that you actually are an indifferent prick, at least you aren't trotting around acting like you are governed by some kind of transcendant moral code. So be indifferent if yu want, but shut the hell up about Jesus. That's all.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
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Duck4212 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Believe on Christ
Duck4212 1 week ago
@Duck4212 I don't know why you put that played-out hogwash. It only supports my point. If you think Jesus did all the heavy lifting saving, and God did all the loving, you conveniently are spared responsibility. Furthermore you can ignore suffering, because it will either be redressed or is deserved. So you can ignore suffering around you, and still ride your moral high horse because you believe, and your book tells you that believing shit is the loftiest aspiration. How very nice for you.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist I think you owe me an apology. I never said that a Christian is to ignore suffering. What I said was that NON Christians, just like anybody else including some Christians, do indeed ignore suffering. I was responding to a claim from a non christian who was claiming that ALL Christians are apathetic. That's not true statement. The logic was flawed in that argument and I took issue. Read my response again before you go off half cocked.
Duck4212 1 week ago
@Duck4212 And I said the non-religious people who ignore suffering are inherently better people than the christians who ignore suffering, because they have no spurious pretense of righteousness. Also, tendency toward obesity is proportional to religiosity. This has been shown by many studies. I guess those christians are living for at least one carnal pleasure more than atheists.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist If you're talking about hypocrites who are pretending to be righteous then I agree. There are plenty of them. True Christians believers know that their righteousness is in Christ not in their own works. Christians should never be thought of as being a better or more righteous person than any other person. They succeed and fail just like anybody else. The only thing that separates a Christian from a non Christian is the grace of Christ in their salvation by faith.
Duck4212 1 week ago
@Duck4212 If a person's "righteousness is in Christ" then their righteousness is not in their works. They believe in Jesus and feel that this makes them better than a non-believer who actually tries to make the world a better place in actual, objective reality. There is no God. Belief in Jesus is not a virtue: it is just a willingness to not think. That is what faith is. Anyone who tell you faith is a good thing will also be telling you unbelievable crap. This is not moral at all.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist I am one of those you call "they" and I don't feel that my faith in Jesus makes me feel better than any other person, period. I feel good about being saved and I know the righteousness is God's , not mine, therefore I have no right to bragg about anything concerning myself. I am sorry to hear that you believe that there is no God. But,actually there is a God. Jesus is the best thing to ever happen to me. At one time I didn't believe either, but I now know how wrong I was.
Duck4212 1 week ago
@Duck4212 Who knows the most about reality? Scientists, clearly. What percentage of scientists believe in God? less that 7%. How many have a religion? 2%. The people who make the investigation of reality itself, the people doing the jobs that clearly require great working knowledge of how the world work as well as intelligence, know better than to believe in a religion. I hate to play that card, but the smarter you are, the less likely you are to be religious.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist Knowing about God is spiritual not academic. Knowledge of God is revealed by His Spirit. If one thinks that spirit is nonsense they will think God is nonsense and they will not know or understand God. It's a waste of time of a person who is not spiritual to even read the bible. It will mean nothing to them. That's why there are so many often contradictory understandings of the nature of God. God will only reveal himself to those who seek him.
Duck4212 1 week ago
@Duck4212 I agree this is true, but I will stipulate that spirituality is akin to a mental disorder. You may feel these things to be deeply true on an emotional level, but that has absolutely nothing to do with actual, factual reality. People can go around feeling things are true all the time. If these things are unsupported by facts and logic, then they are experiencing a delusion or at the very least a misapprehension.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist No delusion. Christ is real. Life after death is real. I have been a witness to it.
Duck4212 1 week ago
@Duck4212 prove it
BaneOfAzrael 1 week ago
@Snakepliskinist You're failing to account for how all cultural views beyond nihilism and empirically supported facts are similarly classifiable and dismissible as a "disorder". Humanity is more significant than what "is in order", as are such things as truth, love, value, morals, and any sort of purpose or connection to anything beyond the bleak sheepish mechanical following and reacting to what circumstances have us thinking.
Maarilat 6 days ago
@Snakepliskinist I am a "carnal" human being type Christian as the Apostle Paul says we all are, and I am not obese and I am not self righteous and I don't ignore suffering and I don't think any person is inherently better or worse than I am and just like anybody I have good days and bad days and I even occasionally get angry at other Christians for their hypocrisy and the saving gospel is not played out hogwash.
BTW, That study you refer to must not have sent me their questionaire.
Duck4212 1 week ago
Prayer doesn't work for unsaved people who have no faith. Hebrews 11:6. Mark 11:22-24. Acts 16:31. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ
and thou shalt be saved.
Gracesaves7772 2 weeks ago
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This is fukking bullshit, I dont understand why I cant seek scientific truth and still practice or respect religion? freedom of religion is democratic right. Science creates stability. This opinion war is crap and its bringing only shit to both science and religion. Science doesn't have to be arrogant, Religion doesn't have to be oblivious. Stop the war you retards.
crangdaniel 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I pretty much agree. If there's a god, then He/It wants us to care about each other, period... accounting for "The Hand of God" has no benefit.
However, the emotionally-charged way of delivering this message is unnecessarily inflammatory, really. It seems as if every sentence spoken here is kind of an attack; doesn't appeal by way of reason, instead it seems to be a way to pressure or something. Doing so isn't going to make faithful consider the message more...just gonna make defensivenes
Maarilat 4 weeks ago
@Maarilat I live in Kansas, I've been an atheist since I was six, and now I'm sixty-eight. I truly have exhausted every variant of every type of logical argument and religion. Religious people can no more see the insanely obvious by anothers logic than a gorilla can learn calculus. It's a mental disease you have to shake off by your own logic or not at all. So I figure why not take some jabs at them? They've been annoying me with their crap my whole life; it's only fair.
Snakepliskinist 1 week ago
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Awesome points, part of why people love religion is that it puts the responsibility on god to help people's pain instead of themselves. Just pray to Jesus, surely he'll help, and forget about the suffering of others.
lessevdoolbretsim 4 weeks ago
You're not completely crazy, you're completely lovely
toelesshoe 1 month ago
Dog
DEACONFROST11 1 month ago
If you believe Jesus you are an athiest ... ,, because it is really Jesus' word against everyone else.
Jn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
Anybody who did see god (and didn't lie ) was dreaming !
TheIAMINU 1 month ago
The only problem is the debate itself. Existence is a symphony of dualities. And people should physically divide on their philosophical boundaries, then there would be no arguments. It's called a fork in the road. But we don't divide, we won't divide, for some F'd up reason. The absence of division is a stagnant evolution. Life must divide or it will devolve. It's that simple.
thinkofwhy 1 month ago
great vid I totaly agree also the bible says most of the people are allready judged anyway will go to hell to be tortured for ever no matter how they pray live or belive only a handful will go to heaven and that is a sick idea
fallbread 1 month ago
I like what you are saying about not being complacent to others in need. It makes me think of what Jesus did when he was on this Earth and what he asks us as human beings to remember to do. So I have to disagree that religious people who actually live by the teachings are complacent to those in need.
diglightdig 1 month ago
@diglightdig Jesus talked a good game, but he was a terrible example of helping those in need. If Christians are right and he had all the power and knowledge in the universe, then he didn't bother to teach people about bacteria or simple health practices that could have prevented so much suffering. He continued to let them believe that demons were making them ill. And he only helped his in-group, and ignored the rest of the world that could have used his powers. Terrible example
CompletelyLovely 1 month ago 10
@CompletelyLovely
Jesus would have taught them BUT back then, He didn't know about the bacteria, the virus and all that either. LOL !
sinnieleeonUtube 1 month ago
@sinnieleeonUtube Ah, so you're saying that Jesus wasn't god. Awesome! I agree.
CompletelyLovely 1 month ago 11
@CompletelyLovely Jesus did say "no one has seen God at ANY time "
TheIAMINU 1 month ago 2
@CompletelyLovely --- I'm playing with the Christians, I bet some of them would agree with me too. It sounds good.
I believe Jesus was a couragous and moral person who tried to stop the Pharisees from buring people at the stake, so he preached the concepts of forgiveness and that his crucifixion was the payment for the sin of all humanity.
Can you imagine how painful it must be to be burned/roasted to dead ?
sinnieleeonUtube 1 month ago
@sinnieleeonUtube I used to think the jesus character was a moral one. Until i realised the true level of sickness that follows his intentions. Look past the helping people and forgiveness and all that stuff and look at his core message. "Follow me and receive ultimate reward regardless of your misdeeds however should you not follow me you will suffer eternal torture because of the misdeeds of your long past ancestors" absolutely despicable and disgusting.
youbetzler 1 month ago
@sinnieleeonUtube But i doubt Jesus even existed really, he's just a Horus wannabe
youbetzler 1 month ago
@sinnieleeonUtube "Can you imagine how painful it must be to be burned/roasted to dead ?"
Nothing if he knew that it's all a show for gullible sheep because then he would be in heaven.
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@CompletelyLovely
Jesus was human when he walked the earth, he wasn't an almighty being. His miracles were performed by God through him. Jesus didn't claim any honor or praise for the works he performed. His praise went to God and he told the people he wasn't responsible for his miracles. How do you know he didn't try and teach people those things? How many people do you know now that are told ways to saty healthy and totally disregard it. People hated Jesus back then also.
diglightdig 1 month ago
@diglightdig "People hated Jesus back then also."
Why would someone hate Mr Jesus?
Unless it's for theistic rivality, I see no reason why a person should hate a preacher that thinks he's a god.
saintpine 1 month ago
@saintpine
I think you meant "rivalry"...did you read (completely) or understand my comment? Jesus never claimed to be a God. His miracles were acts of God through him. (Your sarcasm was understood)
diglightdig 1 month ago
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@diglightdig "I think you meant "rivalry"
yes.
"Jesus never claimed to be a God."
most christians claim otherwise.
"(Your sarcasm was understood)"
Which sarcarsm?
saintpine 1 month ago
@saintpine
so because most of the Christians you know say that Jesus did claim to be God then that means most Christians across the world? I don't see how you can make that bold statement. My apology if you weren't being sarcastic.
diglightdig 1 month ago
@diglightdig
“I don't see how you can make that bold statement.”
It’s an issue you can take on with your fellow believers, it doesn’t affect me in any way, and my question remains unanswered: Why was Mr Jesus hated?
If he didn’t have enemies due religious reasons, then something really severe triggered of such hatred.
Did he steal, rape or murder? Why did he and his follower go around with spades?
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@saintpine
You also are bold to assume that I am a believer. Are all atheist mind readers? Mr Jesus was hated because the Roman rulers despised him. That means that all the little people brainwashed by these Roman leaders despised him also. The rulers hated the fact that Jesus began to have a following of people. They hated the fact Jesus claimed there was a God that worked his miracles through him. They despised the fact that there could be someone more powerful than them.
diglightdig 4 weeks ago
@diglightdig
Didn’t know the romans forced people to worship their gods in those years.
So it's all an issue of not respecting the law.
No state would allow a competing power that collects wealth and controls the peoples will and minds, why should this new gang leader be free to do what he wants?
I don’t hate gang leaders just because they preach nonsense, so why should I or anyone hate Mr. Jesus, unless there is some serious hidden issue.
Do you have an idea what hatred means?
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@saintpine
It's not an issue of respecting the law. It's not an issue of mind control. It's not an issue of a "gang" leader. The serious hidden issue was that they could lose power if there really was a powerful being that could perform such miracles. The Roman leaders didn't like the fact that Jesus professed His praise for God and not them.
I gave you definition of "hatred" in a different video. Spin it the way you prefer.
diglightdig 4 weeks ago
@diglightdig "The Roman leaders didn't like the fact that Jesus professed His praise for God and not them."
The roman leaders had their gods, why on earth would they want someone to praise them?
But I understand your view, in the same way christianity has been forced onto everyone for over a thousand years, I had compulsory Christian religion and worshiping for all my school years in the 60's and 70's, no other option was contemplated.
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@saintpine
God or gods, Roman leaders weren't concerned so much about that. The roman leaders would have had a revolution by the people had they let Jesus live. They still doubted even though these miracles took place before their eyes. They pushed it off as magic. And when Jesus died on the cross, it only proved to make people believe that God wasn't real. In their minds, if God was real, why didn't He save his only son from dying on the cross.
diglightdig 4 weeks ago
@diglightdig
You are talking as if the show was real, on what basis should Mr Jesus be credible and those of others be judged fake?
There were no miracles, Mr Jesus was an imposter like all the others, I see no reason why he should have been treated any better. No contemporary has recorded anything about him, the first records start nearly 100 years later, all the information we know was manipulated by the Romans centuries later when they forced Christianity on everyone.
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@saintpine
You apparently know what has been written but you answered your own question. Christianity is not a religion. So the Romans could not have forced it on everyone.
diglightdig 4 weeks ago
@diglightdig
Whatever you would like to call it, it was manipulated and forced onto everyone.
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@saintpine
Well, I hope you have the freedom to live the way you like. Take care
diglightdig 4 weeks ago
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@diglightdig "Well, I hope you have the freedom to live the way you like. Take care"
More or less, had compulsory Christian religion and worshiping all my school years in South Africa (a 10% white population converted the nation to 90% Christianity in 50 years), I move to Italy where we have a strong Catholic church that still has exclusive power from an agreement in 1929 with the fascist Mussolini.
I will be having a crucifix on my death bed whether I like it or not.
saintpine 4 weeks ago
@diglightdig In the immortal words of Hitch, "Name one. Can you name one? Just one."
brucegrenehan1 1 month ago
@brucegrenehan1
I'm not sure what you would like me to name?
diglightdig 1 month ago
@diglightdig I believe when you stated, "So I have to disagree that religious people who actually live by the teachings are complacent to those in need." that you actually might know of someone who actually lives by the teachings of Christ. I would like to meet said person and shake that person's hand.
brucegrenehan1 1 month ago
@brucegrenehan1
I should rephrase that and say His teaching of being compassionate to one another and doing unto others as you would have things done unto you. There are more people than you think that try and live the right way. You should shake the hand of the next person that does something nice for you. You could even give them a hug. It's all about being positive and thinking of someone else and their feelings.
diglightdig 1 month ago
@diglightdig Yes, but I was talking about Christians not atheists.
brucegrenehan1 1 month ago
@brucegrenehan1
your last comment speaks volumes about you...take care
diglightdig 1 month ago
You seem really messed up, why deny all this beauty you are talking about? Believe, come to a world of beauty and reality, and amazement. And why shouldn`t prayer work? Ofcourse if you don`t believe in that yourself, it won`t work. But others again state that they are influencing the world by prayer.. Even so people of esoteric religion do not pray, but believe in the mind as the ultimate force, and God created you (the mind) with himself. Denying this seems like such of a miserable life. Peace.
ParadoxEternal 1 month ago
this video - right here - is how atheists should be percieved
alex29443 1 month ago
if god exists, i hope he has a good fucking excuse.
MaTchBoOkPoEt 1 month ago
1 Matter is eternal - or
Creator God is eternal
2 If Matter isn’t eternal then Matter is able to bring itself into existence - or
Creator God brings matter into existence
3) Matter, against impossible odds, accidentally or purposely produces life - or
Creator God purposely produces life from Matter
4) Matter arranges and designs itself - or
Creator God arranges
5) Matter produces a life of meaning and context and purpose - NOT! - or
Creator God produces a life of meaning and con and purpose.
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
cont
Modern atheists will tell you that since the first supposition is impossible and the second is unpalatable, "Nothing caused the universe to come into being. It just happened and we need not consider it further. Please pass the cookies."
“So vast, without any question, is the divine handiwork of the Almighty Creator.”
Nicolaus Copernicus, cited in Owen Gingerich, “God’s Universe" (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2006)
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
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@SuperTruthlover What exactly is your proposal? Is it for humans to stop all this free thinking foolishness and to accept the book of Genesis as an indisputable factual document declared to us by God therefore eliminating any further line of questioning regarding the age of the universe? Are we to accept that there were trees on Earth before there were stars in the sky?
drankin2112 1 month ago
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@SuperTruthlover " we need not consider it further.” --> really I was under the impression tha tits the religious who blindly accept their creation stories, and its generally the people who dare to question, who arn’t to prideful to admit that they don’t have all the answers, who generally happen to not be religious... But thats just in my experience
BaneOfAzrael 1 month ago
you can always spot a christian..... i guess its the vapid look in there eyes
MaTchBoOkPoEt 1 month ago
@MaTchBoOkPoEt
Illogical statements are something that atheists usually take great pains to avoid, except when they’re confronted with the reality of Creator God. Then, it seems, all bets are off. The fact remains, and it remains a fact that is based on what science tells us is true, that everything that begins to exist, including the universe, had its cause from something outside of itself. There are no known exceptions to this observed and consistently verified rule.
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@SuperTruthlover TLDR
MaTchBoOkPoEt 1 month ago
@MaTchBoOkPoEt
TLDR = Thanks Lord 4 Doing Right
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@MaTchBoOkPoEt
your reading skills must be weak as you are stupid
takes less than a second to read 500 chars so you must the slowes reading on youtude
I hope you don't need to read to put food of the table as you would go hungry lOL
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@SuperTruthlover that's not very christian of you... you're hypocrisy brings lols to my face hole
MaTchBoOkPoEt 1 month ago
@MaTchBoOkPoEt
Why are I not Christian enough for you my love
You said it was too much to read 500 characters so I busted you balls of unusually small size LOL lighten up
What hypocrisy are you talking about?
I would have to do what I don't believe in and pretent I did not dod such things for me to play the hypocrite LOL giving you a hard time make you cry LOL
what a pussy
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
What if there IS NO FUCKING AFTERLIFE, goddammit?
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO
When it comes to the origins of our universe, we must choose between Matter as infinite and Creator God who is Spirit, as infinite and eternal (existing outside of time). Reason states that it must be One and not the other for matter cannot pre-exist itself either physically or chronologically, nor can matter bring itself into existence or create itself. Again, it is impossible for Matter to be infinite or to exist from eternity past.
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
atheists used to agree that there cannot be an infinite regress of cause. Confronted with the reality of the nature of matter, modern atheists, supposedly intelligent atheist insist that Creator God, who is Spirit, must also adhere to the law of first cause. Again, it is so elementary it's difficult to understand how these individuals cannot grasp that physical laws do not apply to Spirit. Since God is by definition outside the universe, He is not part of any series.
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
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drankin2112 1 month ago
SUFFERING IS gOD ALLOWING THE CREATION TO EXPRESS ITSELF without his UNWARRANTED ITNERFERENCE!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
You REALLY need help,and I will pray for you.You asked what we think,and I told you.Yes,you are pretty crazy,But God loves you.
honeyman1964 1 month ago
@honeyman1964 Your an Atheist too. Which god loves her?
spareaxe 1 month ago
@spareaxe I am an atheist? I am not an atheist in any way.Which god loves her?The true and only God,the one thats in heaven,the one that sent his only son to die on a cross for our sin,and all we have to do is believe it in our heart and ask him to forgive us of our sins,and be saved.there is no other gods,all the other so called gods are dead,God is in heaven and is alive forever more.If the only hope I have is in this life,I don't have very much.
honeyman1964 1 month ago
@honeyman1964 Do you believe in Islam or their prophet Muhammed? If not, why don't you believe? Your an atheist with respect to other religions of the world....you don't accept their evidence do you. They are just fairy tales with supernatural gods too....sound familiar? Your god is the only god....welcome to the club brother athiest!!
spareaxe 1 month ago
wow...where i am from 99.9 % of people dont believe in "that shit' ..but are really fucked up spiritually - you made a giant ASSUMPTION in your little blurb that NOT believing would help .
They could do much worse than getting their arse to church ,sober , respectful and glad of the wonderous gift of life they have been given .
TheMichaelseymour 1 month ago
How about some positive from an atheist.... Fact everything you know is comprised of atoms. Atoms can not be created nor destroyed. Nothing ever dies but only transforms into something else. This is a fact that can not be argued and I as an atheist take this to heart and live my life knowing that everything is alive in some way and never dies and you should live your life honestly,with humor and compassion dont waste your time worrying about god or no god believe in what you know
Whiskeyspitt 1 month ago
@Whiskeyspitt Then i will go on with my life under the shade of my Gods grace :)
shakinahstorm 1 month ago 2
@Whiskeyspitt You said it buddy ...we transform - into another form after death ..thats right. Believe in what you know- you say ? I know that leaders are mostly lying power drunk sons of bitchs ..but just like god ...its hard to prove it .
TheMichaelseymour 1 month ago
Stalin lived as if there was no God. How did that work out? Arguing with no absolute standard means that your arguments are sort of pointless. Have a glorious day!!!
darlgc 1 month ago
@darlgc Stalin had his own ideologies and that's the problem. Ideologies can be very dangerous whether they're religious or not. What Stalin did has zero to do with atheism.
spmcd2011 1 month ago
@darlgc What does Stalin have to do with atheism? How did the "dark ages" work out? Can we apply the same argument to paint Christianity with Jim Jones? How did THAT work out? See...now your argument becomes pointless. Have a "blessed" day.
discolemonade66 1 month ago
@discolemonade66 In your description you talked about how Theism caused so much trouble. Stalin was an atheist who killed more people than all religious conflicts combined. Since, humans are just another animal and their is no absolute truth I guess that is OK then. A belief in God could have possibly hindered his behavior.
darlgc 1 month ago
@darlgc People throw Stalin's name at atheists all the time, as if he committed murder in the name of atheism. He didn't. He was a mad-man. Paranoid and power hungry.
His people, however, were *very* religious in that they had been indoctrinated for years into a cult of leader adoration. People can do evil things regardless of their belief in a god, but the only way for a leader to move millions is by dipping into the well of dogmatic belief and blind unquestioning obedience to authority.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist
you crack me up thinking the it was the fault to the people who had faith in God that allowed Stalin to rule. NO it was men of faith the he did away with by killing 50 million that did oppose him .Stalin closed 130,000 churches and banned the word of God from men in order to promote atheism .He did not call it atheism but his actions speak for themselves
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@discolemonade66 Forgot to say, Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. Have a nice day!!!
darlgc 1 month ago
@discolemonade66 Ol jim was no more christian than stalin was ..dont confuse the messanger with the message...you cant just say you are anything - it must be backed up . I believe ...but my life has been self serving - so i do not consider myself a christian - that must change to a life of servitude of my less fortuanate brother or sister -before i can even dream of calling myself a "christian ' You cant just label yourself . Hitlers action spoke louder than any bullshit claim of his faith.
TheMichaelseymour 1 month ago
@TheMichaelseymour Well said, spot on ;)
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
I think people that talk about any religion at all is idiotic be it atheism or christianity. Let people believe in what they what to believe in and shut up. If it helps them get through life then theres no harm in it as long as they aren't forcing it down others throats. Why is this a related video to Com Truises music?!
Wobbles909 1 month ago
@Wobbles909 atheism isn't a religion, it's a rejection of a claim.
spmcd2011 1 month ago
The hope of glory is what gives strength to get through the suffering, as it has with me many of times. And yes prey lifts me and opens me to Gods source of strength up to me!. Lovely, even though i disagree with you, you come across as a golden person with a gem of a heart, which i believe to be a gift from God :)
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm My buddy is a paramedic. He got called to a church a few weeks ago. Apparently, an elderly gentleman had fallen against a pew and gashed his neck open. The people called 911 and then sat and prayed. When my friend got there, they all started saying, "praise the lord our prayers have been answered" and things like that.
Well, since everyone sat around and prayed instead of putting pressure on the wound, the old man bled to death right there in front of everyone.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist So what was being prayed for, that the old fellow would bleed to death?. Its interesting that they would pursue the logical step of calling 911, and yet not go on to the next logical step of applying medical attention to this gentleman in the way you suggested, it does not add up?, i suspect that the truth of the situation has been compromised somewhere along the line?. If not, these church goers are obviously way to spiritual for any earthly good.
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm So they aren't "real christians"? I like how you can so easily pick and choose things like that, and things like which facts you want to believe. Truth is, it did happen, at least by my friends recollection (and he's not an atheist like I am).
So the truth here is that you don't have enough faith in your god that he would help a bleeding person. So how does praying to a god help you in any way? You think he's gonna care about you but not a bleeding old man?
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist Firstly i made no mention as to their Christian authenticity?, any how even if i did, check it out, whos to say that im not a real athiest, its so easy to pick and choose things like that?. And no, faith has nothing to do with when a persons time is up, when its up, its up, fullstop.
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm Fair enough. Your god is just not powerful enough to stop death. Or is it that he just doesn't care? And you did question their authenticity when you said "over zealous spiritual people who are not in touch with the God they worship". They aren't in touch, but you are. Their prayer is too spiritual for any earthly good, but you are the right amount of spiritual? You are the right one, and they are the wrong ones? You know god's will and plan, but they don't? Nice.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist All i what you just wrote, came from nowhere else but yourself!.
So no, i did not question their authenticity, just as im out of touch with God often and very capable of making mistakes in my own humanity, im not about to question the authenticity of the love i have for God, in the same way as these zealous individuals are capable of losing touch, still they wont be questioning their love for God. Your making the common mistake of running away with misinterpretation.
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm You can't be out of touch with god and claim to know his wishes and desires. Maybe all of you theists are so out of touch with god, that you have totally re-invented what he is all about. What if what he says in the bible about murdering gays and unruly children is actually what he wants right now? What if human sacrifice is what he wants? You'd have no way of knowing because you are so out of touch with him.
The real question is why do you love a psychopathic murderer so much?
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist Sorry Grim, but champion your missing what it is to be a Christian. See the thing is, whilst it is true that Christians tend to find themselves out of touch (partly to do with our imperfect nature as humans), the fact remains that the fundamentals are planted on our hearts, and that is Jesus nailed the mosaic old testament law to the cross.
Psychopathic murderer?, youve already shown unwarranted assertion once, how can you trust your interpretation on this topic now?
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm Someone counted all the times in the bible that god orders people killed... it numbers over 2 million people.
I am not the one with the unwarranted assertion. That is the theist's realm. You claim that there is a god that somehow created everything and loves you unconditionally. But what about the other gods that you deny? Do they not have equal sway? You may be a true christian, but you are a false Hindu, and maybe that's the right religion. Maybe you are blaspheming everyday.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist 1stly, i would like to know of the individual who made this count?.
2ndly, The reason for your misinterpretation is that your reading the Old Testament from todays perspective and culture. The culture that ancient society built for themselves was severly corrupt and brutal, the morals we have today were virtually non existent, so the measure of Gods justice was equal to that of the culture.
Todays religions are the result from the collapse of the babalonian tower.
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm
Grim will not be convince he is misinterpreting the Old Testament because he want to think God is not worthy to obey .
He has no intention to obey God so he MUST distort the true nature of God so he can sleep at night
He claims he merely lacks belief of God but his actions show he has more that a lack of belief
I lack belief in Ghost but I don't feel the need to attack those that do and call them idiots
Me thinks Grim protests too much LOL
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@SuperTruthlover Me suspects that you just maybe onto something here?
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist
you assert someone said God had men put to death according to the bible
Do you assert the bible is true than?
I don't think so
Where you have stories you believe are false to validate your assertion I have real accounts of atheist leaders killing 120 million people seems atheists leaders are much more likely to kill you then God or His people
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@SuperTruthlover Amen brother...i'll go further - and say : I can read arrogance, ignorance and vanity into her face ...but thats not very charitable of me - so i wont
..cos that would be - just an assumption.
TheMichaelseymour 1 month ago
@TheMichaelseymour
This atheist girl is More condescending that anything else
She seem to be saying ,like I am so wise and evolved because I reject God and don't go to church or look to God for the answers in life
The only god this chatty Kathy wants to worship is wait for it
Herself
good luck with that LOL
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@SuperTruthlover If you look at the miriad of religions and the 100s of dieties that millions of people have worshipped throughout history, I assert that some things are "proven" by the existence of that history.
1) many people have an deep emotional need to worship something bigger than themselves
2) to meet that need people can, and will, invent religious godheads and symbols to worship
3) people invented religions prior to and after Jesus Christ.
4) brainwashing is real and it works.
drankin2112 1 month ago
drak
Before God revealed Himself in Jesus Christ, you are right people made up many gods to explain things they could not explain my reason and inference.
This became a mote point after Jesus showed Himself to be the one and only God who created ALL thing including life on this planet with the universe.
Now religion is simply a world view and people are tend to be religious about almost anything . For some it is mother earth or aliens LOL
Jesus said to Seek God and not religion
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@drankin2112
people invented religions prior to and after Jesus Christ
You shifted your position by blending religion with God revealing Himself
Religion needs not God and your right it is invented by man
God never told anyone to become religious and in fact Jesus was against the religious leaders and those followed religion and ignored God
James tells us
True religion is only that which cares for Widows and their children and keeps a person clean from the filth of the world
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@SuperTruthlover I didn't shift my position. You assumed my position was to disprove the existence of God. My position is only that human history proves, at minimum, those 4 things that I listed. That's all. Religious dogma is fiction invented by people and that includes Jesus Christ's monopoly on the afterlife.
drankin2112 1 month ago
@dranki
Religious dogmas are fiction by definition and invented by men
The evidence for Jesus is far stronger than any other historical figure and therefore certainly not fiction.
How does Jesus have a monopoly on the afterlife
We all live forever and out spirits cannot die
You can certainly reject Jesus and have nothing to do with Him after you die
The place you have chosen to go has not the light of the world and darkness is what you are left with.
Do you believe cold exist?
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@drankin2112
shift my position. You assumed my position was to disprove the existence of God
No I made no such assumption
you assume I think you are taking a position to disprove God but I am not
You started by saying pagan gods were an invention of man to explain the wonders of the world
Then you switched your position and said religions were made of men and therefore Jesus was false.
religion is man's way to reach up to gods and Christianity is God reaching down to man
peace
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
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@dranki
1) many people have an deep emotional need to worship something bigger than themselves
Just because many have a need to worship it does not make Jesus any less God
2) to meet that need people can, and will, invent religious godheads and symbols to worship
gods have been invented in the image of man vs Jesus who is God
3) people invented religions prior to and after Jesus Christ.
Jesus is not a religion but a person
4) brainwashing is real and it works.
as u have shown
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm Your god is barbaric and the fact that you don't realize that makes me scared of what you might do. Kill your children if "he" asks you to? Demolish villages and rape the virgin girls if "he" asks you to? Hate certain people because "he" commanded it? Start genocidal wars because its "his" will?
So what its like to be a Christian is being a potential psychopath. Killing and raping and pillaging because you hear a voice. Totally not an unwarranted assertion.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist Im not dignifieing this with a response.
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist
:Demolish villages and rape the virgin girls if "he" asks you to? Hate certain people because "he" commanded it? Start genocidal wars because its "his" will?"
You are living a fantasy where it is the righteous men who murder and rape others
What we find in the REAL world is godless men Murder and rape and banned bibles
Why is it that atheist leaders have killed `120 million in the 20th century alone?
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
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@Grimtheorist
Your god is just not powerful enough to stop death. Or is it that he just doesn't care?
We all die and out lives are as a puff of smoke compared to eternity
you complain that God does not allow men to live longer that they do
You are the right one, and claim to be more wise than God? You know god's will and plan, better than God? Nice.
SuperTruthlover 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm And that's where the saying "A thousand hands clasped in prayer accomplish less than 2 hands clasping a tool" comes from.
Don't pray, do. Live as if there is no god, just like the lovely Ms. Lovely suggests.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
@Grimtheorist You give me one example from the actions of some over zealous spiritual people who are not in touch with the God they worship, now we are to live as there is no God?. Ok then, right to start of i guess im going to have to find a new standard to way up my morals against, or should i just go with what ever seems best for me?, i mean whats right for you may not be right for me?. Now thats worked out, i can go on towards the ultimate goal of becoming worm bait when i die.
shakinahstorm 1 month ago
@shakinahstorm The idea is to go with what's best for humanity and the earth. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
What's right for one religion may not be right for another, so your argument has no weight. Morals are not dictated by religion, but the other way around. When we thought slavery was ok, the book said to own slaves. When we abolished slavery, we stopped reading the part of the book that says to own slaves. Now you pretend like it doesn't even say to own slaves.
Grimtheorist 1 month ago
this girl is an idiot ...she generalizes about people who believe in God...
RunColorado100 1 month ago