Reminds me of when I sailed in the best union in the world for merchant marine refrigeration engineers and electricians. (Marine Firemen, Oilers, Watertenders and Wipers Association) [M.F.O.W.]. We would blown down the huge (six story tall) main propulsion 2-stroke diesel engines which were the largest diesel engines in the world. I loved the smell of blowing them down. We used compressed air to start those slow speed, direct drive reversable encines. I would make $100,000 per year (6 months on)
@WhiteGangster400 the displacement is 567ci per cylinder, and in thos engine's configuration, 12 cylinders. this locomotive has two 12 cylinder engines
@WhiteGangster400 The latter GM EMD 710G is made in V12, V16 and a V20 configuration. The 710 is 11.63 litre per cylinder!! Times that by 20 and see what you get!
I didn't have a problem with the guys in the background.......seemed perfectly natural to me......I was waiting for the cussing to begin........me and most of my Railroad people cuss like Sailors........
Számomra ezek a motorok az"alfák", nálunk Hungáriában is voltak ezek távoli rokonai, a NOHAB-ok. Én is vezettem őket, sajnos csak keveset.Most mátr a közforgalomban sajnos nincsenek. Ezek a motorok a királyok!!!
They talk about not having enough battery power to start one of their engines. EMD's are meant to be manually rolled over or "barred over" before starting. This saves strain on the battery banks. Well, that's what EMD's manuals say.
@MrHandyandy10187 yessir, a 2 stroke. Not at all like a gas 2 stroke, it is nearly an ideal design being a 2 stroke diesel, roots blowers scavenge the gasses and it has either three or four exhaust valves in the cylinder head
its a long story, but basically the earlst E unit models had two 900 HP Winton diesels. It was guessed that 2000hp would be needed, per unit ran in multiple, to equal steam power at the time. As newer designs were done, the 567 engine was introduced, but EMD stayed with two engines to add redindancy to the design for insurance when passenger trains were out on the road. THis model I think has 1100HP x 12-567B prime movers. The last E9's had 2x 12-567C prime movers @ 2400 hp for both
its a long story, but basically the earliest E unit models had two 900 HP Winton diesels. It was guessed that 2000hp would be needed, per unit ran in multiple, to equal steam power at the time. As newer designs were done, the 567 engine was introduced, but EMD stayed with two engines to add redindancy to the design for insurance when passenger trains were out on the road. THis model I think has 1100HP x 12-567B prime movers. The last E9's had 2x 12-567C prime movers @ 2400 hp for both
@CSX4772 They wouldn't have installed two, except to run both. Original "E" had two 900 hp (net) diesels to get the output someone figured was rqd for a single passenger diesel. On the "water level route" NYC typically used two "E" types.
like how at 3:58 or so, the lay shaft moves as it starts to roll over. It's the grey bar hanging right inder the control panel off of the back of the engine
Pour information. Ce moteur diesel 567GM est de Général Motors 12 cylindres en V à 45°. Cylindrée de 567 pouce cube, soit près de 6 litres par cylindre. Il existe en version de 16 cylindres. C'est un moteur diesel 2 temps avec admission par lumières et échappement par 4 soupapes par cylindre. L'admission d'air est forcée par 2 soufflantes (Roots), une par ligne à la pression de 0,3 bar. Injection de combustible par injecteur-pompe dans la culasse.
this guy is a good salesman for people that don't have a clue. "bend a rod"? what rod? piston rod? valve rod? hurry up, do something. old school technique.
@theratfarmer He means a piston rod. That's what can happen when you try to run an engine when there's water in a cylinder. If there's more water than would fill the space with the piston at the top, the piston won't be able to compress, and the piston rod will bend or break instead. Radial aircraft engines also have this problem, only with oil pooling in the lower cylinders rather than water.
@the124Lscania Yup, two V12 engines, one in front and one in the rear. EMD's E-type passenger locomotives were all like this. In this video the camera is in the middle of the locomotive, usually looking toward the forward engine and the cab. EMD's F-type and GP-type locomotives had a single V16 engine.
@the124Lscania yes, two engines. The need for two engines goes back to the original Winton powered E units of the 1930's where 2000HP was required per locomotive, but there was no sigle engine that would put that out. 2ea Winton 900hp engined did fit the bill, and as the E units evolved, two engines were kept to increase redundancy and reliability.
i've always wondered, because we live just afew feet from railroad tracks and when they start the engine it makes our window panes raddle and when they are moving even when they are slow they shake the house!
@nascarguy101 that's exactly what it is ,a supercharger. being a two stoke diesel, it needs a supercharger just to breathe. the blower forces out the exhaust gasses while the cyliner wall ports are exposed. On an engin such as this, there's actually another blower on the other side fo teh other cylinders!
Governor is a major part of control system. It's set (via control stand) for a given rpm; as engine load (generator/compressor) varies, governor varies fuel rack setting to maintain that rpm.
@angelica14709 man I was just watching the Unstoppable movie ( the one with Denzel Washington, 2010) which led me to watch this vid. Now, how loud is it inside these locomotives? There's a railroad right near my house and those trains are just loud like fuck.... damn. IT nust be hard to be a conducter looking at it from that direction. Cheers man, have a nice a day!
@n4120p EMD built the E8 from 1950 to early 1954. It used the old 567B "squareholers". The E9 replaced it and had the 12V567C "roundholers," which cranked out 200 more BHP apiece. NYC was a big buyer of E8s, as was PRR.
@n4120p EMD built the E8 from 1950 to early 1954. It used the old 567B "squareholers". The E9 replaced it in May, '54 and had the 12V567C "roundholers," which cranked out 200 more BHP apiece. NYC was a big buyer of E8s, as was PRR. Western roads, (UP, SP) held out for the E9s, which had better dynamic brakes and more tractive effort, although SP bought the E8 demonstrator in 1950. It was the only E8 on the roster.
remember that these engines are designed to compress air and susrvive the combustion to deliver power.. But not to compress water, which is by nature, uncompressible. This would simply be like putting a rock in the chamber, it fucks everything up !
If the locomotive has a main generator then it is used as the starter motor; if the locomotive has a main alternator then there are two starter motors as the main alternator cannot be employed as a starter motor.
It should be an E-8. The square hand hole covers indicates the crankace is a 567B, which was offereed in the E8. The E-9 would have round hand hold covers as it had the 567C engine/crankcase
What year is this video??? This locomotive has a sister unit Ex NYC 4084 which is now Tennessee Central 6902 and is in regular excursion service on TCRM trips out of Nashville.
layshaft is connected to the governor (engine fuel control. RPMs build up and the governor weights fly out on their shafts by centrifugal force.... maintains proper fuel flow for the commanded engine speed/power level. Startup commands full rack on the injectors... then it pulls back on the fuel as the engine starts... eventually stabilizing out at idle speed sounds normal to me, its a 567 they always ran a touch fast compared to the 645s and 710s. Most likely a cold start as well.
I was going to suggest exactly that this was a cold start and will perhaps idle a little faster than normal "warm" engine. The 567 and 645 engines have the same stroke length (10") and idle speeds (318 rpm), the dispacement difference is made up in the cylinder diameter (8.5" vs. 9.0625"). The 710 is 9.2" x 11.1" in bore and stroke. The stated idle speed I found for the 710 is 269 rpm.
Irish Rail have a fleet of GMs, some with 8-567s and others with 8-645s. The 645s always idle higher than the 567s but maybe it's something to do with the way they were installed.
Have some bad news for you. They are gear driven at idle, once under load,the clutch disengages and exhaust takes over to drive the turbo. I work on SD40 and SD70Ace every day(apart from weekends).
The engine is 2 cycle with one exhaust valve, the blower makes this possible with multi cylinder engines. Power stroke every revolution per cylinder. Search google "GM EMD 567" for a diagram on how it works.
Most common is rainfall entering through the stack and down through the exhaust valves. Other reasons are leaking heads, bad injectors, etc. We were required to blow the unit out if it had sat for more than 12 hours or if it had been raining.
Depends on how well the maintenance is kept up. Generally its noticed by having to top off the water tank every so often... or there is Nalco deposits somewhere (red or green). Nalco is one of the common additives used in the cooling water.
Cool to see the racks open (the lever that swings just below the guy's starting hand) then she's away,why the fuel prime though ?,I take it these loco's dont have fuel header tanks like some of our british loco's hence the need to pressurize the system before a crank up
With each cyl having an injector in the head, actuated by camshaft, you really can't have air in the lines there. Guessing, I suppose there's a means of bleeding air from the 12 injectors; it's a real PITA manually with a smaller GM 6-71, for instance.
There isn't a need to "bleed" the injectors after replacement. Priming the unit pushes fuel right to the unit injector for engine start. Excess fuel/air returns to the tank---Hence the two lines on each injector-- supply and return.
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ZEG8704 3 months ago
was that non turbo
jayfine01 3 months ago
NICE.
I would like to see some vintage F3 diesel footage as well
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so have you mounted a horn on this engine?
trainguy2020 4 months ago
very cool!
tchnofile 4 months ago
Cool video.
LouiesPlace 5 months ago
omg i would like to meet the men speaking so i can fucking stab them, and all of their family menbers.
TheInboil 5 months ago
very good for people who love trains.And railroads.the worlds greatest hobby.
MrMartmatsil 5 months ago
2:44 So... Was that John Goodman?
Thanks for the upload!
nazaxprime 5 months ago
done the working out its a 6804 cu3 about 111.49 Litres.
jaggass 6 months ago
is it a 40 litre engine?
jaggass 6 months ago
@jaggass that is 567 in^2 per cylinder so 567 x 12 would give you the displacement in cubic inches. not sure how many cu in make up one litre
nimrod4017 6 months ago
worlds greatest sound!
Paddofilming 6 months ago
3:55 is the good stuff.
redreaper2020 7 months ago
he said "flash cock"...
m0nkey1eader 7 months ago
Great video except for the knobs in the background.....
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Drakeman2003 7 months ago
"Hot Start!"
claimless 8 months ago
Reminds me of when I sailed in the best union in the world for merchant marine refrigeration engineers and electricians. (Marine Firemen, Oilers, Watertenders and Wipers Association) [M.F.O.W.]. We would blown down the huge (six story tall) main propulsion 2-stroke diesel engines which were the largest diesel engines in the world. I loved the smell of blowing them down. We used compressed air to start those slow speed, direct drive reversable encines. I would make $100,000 per year (6 months on)
3Mudbone1 8 months ago
two stroke, yes. Yes on the super chargers (2), they are needed for a 2 stroke diesel to run at all
clank4001 9 months ago
Is this a 2-stroke? I Love that blower..
HarryHydro 10 months ago
Is that a supercharger mounted on the front of the engine?
dv713 10 months ago
Soooo whats the displacement of the engine?
WhiteGangster400 10 months ago
@WhiteGangster400 the displacement is 567ci per cylinder, and in thos engine's configuration, 12 cylinders. this locomotive has two 12 cylinder engines
clank4001 10 months ago
@clank4001 wow thats like 9.2 liter!!!
WhiteGangster400 10 months ago
@WhiteGangster400 The latter GM EMD 710G is made in V12, V16 and a V20 configuration. The 710 is 11.63 litre per cylinder!! Times that by 20 and see what you get!
formidable38 10 months ago
@formidable38 oh my gosh!!!!!!!!!!
WhiteGangster400 10 months ago
I didn't have a problem with the guys in the background.......seemed perfectly natural to me......I was waiting for the cussing to begin........me and most of my Railroad people cuss like Sailors........
wwebtime 11 months ago
why it takes such a long time to start??
samin2012 11 months ago
"must go this way"at 1.39, stoners.
KG84C 11 months ago
could they run the loco on only one engine, and have to start them independantly? and if the E provides hep, does one do that or both?
jfsa380 1 year ago
@jfsa380 There was no "HEP" in the '50s. Each engine set could be run independently. Each set drives one truck for 1000 HP apiece.
DeserTBoB93535 11 months ago
Számomra ezek a motorok az"alfák", nálunk Hungáriában is voltak ezek távoli rokonai, a NOHAB-ok. Én is vezettem őket, sajnos csak keveset.Most mátr a közforgalomban sajnos nincsenek. Ezek a motorok a királyok!!!
EMDfan1965 1 year ago
Peace of 2-stroke shit!
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Those ass clowns in the back need to shut the heck up.
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@CRF450XNUT They are working on the engine, tough talking foamer.
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hot start
clank4001 1 year ago
@TrainHistorian yes, the 710's do have those. 645's do as well
clank4001 1 year ago
They talk about not having enough battery power to start one of their engines. EMD's are meant to be manually rolled over or "barred over" before starting. This saves strain on the battery banks. Well, that's what EMD's manuals say.
seagraver 1 year ago
so is this a 2 stroke diesel then
MrHandyandy10187 1 year ago
@MrHandyandy10187 yessir, a 2 stroke. Not at all like a gas 2 stroke, it is nearly an ideal design being a 2 stroke diesel, roots blowers scavenge the gasses and it has either three or four exhaust valves in the cylinder head
clank4001 1 year ago
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its a long story, but basically the earlst E unit models had two 900 HP Winton diesels. It was guessed that 2000hp would be needed, per unit ran in multiple, to equal steam power at the time. As newer designs were done, the 567 engine was introduced, but EMD stayed with two engines to add redindancy to the design for insurance when passenger trains were out on the road. THis model I think has 1100HP x 12-567B prime movers. The last E9's had 2x 12-567C prime movers @ 2400 hp for both
clank4001 1 year ago
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its a long story, but basically the earliest E unit models had two 900 HP Winton diesels. It was guessed that 2000hp would be needed, per unit ran in multiple, to equal steam power at the time. As newer designs were done, the 567 engine was introduced, but EMD stayed with two engines to add redindancy to the design for insurance when passenger trains were out on the road. THis model I think has 1100HP x 12-567B prime movers. The last E9's had 2x 12-567C prime movers @ 2400 hp for both
clank4001 1 year ago
this is the coolest video on youtube
foxdmulder 1 year ago
so why does this locomotive have 2 diesels? Is one generally enough or do both have to be operating?
CSX4772 1 year ago
@CSX4772 They wouldn't have installed two, except to run both. Original "E" had two 900 hp (net) diesels to get the output someone figured was rqd for a single passenger diesel. On the "water level route" NYC typically used two "E" types.
For the rest, expert info rqd.
woodscritter 1 year ago
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clank4001 1 year ago
pfff :)))..americans...:))
alexmpowere30bmw 1 year ago
like how at 3:58 or so, the lay shaft moves as it starts to roll over. It's the grey bar hanging right inder the control panel off of the back of the engine
clank4001 1 year ago
Il faut lire 9 litres par cylindre.
devilleburet 1 year ago
Pour information. Ce moteur diesel 567GM est de Général Motors 12 cylindres en V à 45°. Cylindrée de 567 pouce cube, soit près de 6 litres par cylindre. Il existe en version de 16 cylindres. C'est un moteur diesel 2 temps avec admission par lumières et échappement par 4 soupapes par cylindre. L'admission d'air est forcée par 2 soufflantes (Roots), une par ligne à la pression de 0,3 bar. Injection de combustible par injecteur-pompe dans la culasse.
devilleburet 1 year ago
Since I saw being a child “Silver Streak” always I wanted to know how is the inside of one of these enormous GM “E” locomotives. Very good video.
Arkham1888 1 year ago
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how many cylingers in this diesel locomotive train
bestamerica 1 year ago
@bestamerica This is a V-12, 1125hp EMD 567 2-stroke diesel, and this locomotive has 2 of them. It's in the video's description.
greywolf45 1 year ago
greywolf45,
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okay thank explain
bestamerica 1 year ago
Beefy American Iron from the golden age of our industrialism
JerryMopar 1 year ago
what kind of locomotive is that
skullcrusher301 1 year ago
Fucking awesome.
jdoggybizzle 1 year ago
this guy is a good salesman for people that don't have a clue. "bend a rod"? what rod? piston rod? valve rod? hurry up, do something. old school technique.
theratfarmer 1 year ago
@theratfarmer He means a piston rod. That's what can happen when you try to run an engine when there's water in a cylinder. If there's more water than would fill the space with the piston at the top, the piston won't be able to compress, and the piston rod will bend or break instead. Radial aircraft engines also have this problem, only with oil pooling in the lower cylinders rather than water.
colindhowell 1 year ago
hey does this loco have 2 seprate engines? here in australia we have our locos with V16 engines
the124Lscania 1 year ago
@the124Lscania Yup, two V12 engines, one in front and one in the rear. EMD's E-type passenger locomotives were all like this. In this video the camera is in the middle of the locomotive, usually looking toward the forward engine and the cab. EMD's F-type and GP-type locomotives had a single V16 engine.
colindhowell 1 year ago
@the124Lscania yes, two engines. The need for two engines goes back to the original Winton powered E units of the 1930's where 2000HP was required per locomotive, but there was no sigle engine that would put that out. 2ea Winton 900hp engined did fit the bill, and as the E units evolved, two engines were kept to increase redundancy and reliability.
clank4001 1 year ago
:09 I got your nuts.
eatonss 1 year ago
O Yell sounds good!!
gsxer13 1 year ago
Totally fascinating. Thanks for the video. Where are the batteries on one of these?
TheMrBlinx 1 year ago
Very good in spite of the problems in the diesel efficient and tempered technicians.
claudioantunesbr 1 year ago
purring like a kittten
chrisbarry44 1 year ago
i've always wondered, because we live just afew feet from railroad tracks and when they start the engine it makes our window panes raddle and when they are moving even when they are slow they shake the house!
threeto1 1 year ago
Where ya'll keep the ear plugs bro?
bigav8r 1 year ago
Great video. Always loved the sound.
mxr73 1 year ago
OMG...put a trash bag over your camera!
gsotodotcom 1 year ago
(CLANG) u see that! u guys wil learn to have a magnet nearby to learn to have a rag to wipe the excess oil
TheBrett56 1 year ago
This must be in an old ALCO unit. shes got a rod hammern too
izzynutz2000 1 year ago
Looks like starting à Semi Diesel
daand12 1 year ago
Interesting video... and sounds great!
Hanglands 1 year ago
looks like a giant supercharger on it at 4:44
nascarguy101 1 year ago
@nascarguy101 that's exactly what it is ,a supercharger. being a two stoke diesel, it needs a supercharger just to breathe. the blower forces out the exhaust gasses while the cyliner wall ports are exposed. On an engin such as this, there's actually another blower on the other side fo teh other cylinders!
clank4001 1 year ago
an old engineer explains the beast....ok ! nice guys....
greetings from an engineer from berlin
joha77johaa 1 year ago
I could have killed the jerks in the background!
1339LARS 1 year ago 30
They were replacing a governor on the other engine. I'm glad they were having fun.
angelica14709 1 year ago 24
@angelica14709 whats a govenor?
CRAZYhill112or999 1 year ago
@CRAZYhill112or999
Governor is a major part of control system. It's set (via control stand) for a given rpm; as engine load (generator/compressor) varies, governor varies fuel rack setting to maintain that rpm.
woodscritter 1 year ago
@angelica14709 did the other engine start too or is that a back up
omegaroad 10 months ago
@angelica14709 man I was just watching the Unstoppable movie ( the one with Denzel Washington, 2010) which led me to watch this vid. Now, how loud is it inside these locomotives? There's a railroad right near my house and those trains are just loud like fuck.... damn. IT nust be hard to be a conducter looking at it from that direction. Cheers man, have a nice a day!
MercedesKawasaki 8 months ago
@angelica14709 die
TheInboil 5 months ago
@1339LARS They were working, foamer.
coborn35 11 months ago
Where is this?
adfgfds 1 year ago
Medina NY at the RR Museum
angelica14709 1 year ago
Note the lights dim at 3:56
ANewNormalcy 2 years ago
I wound up here from E-type Jaguar video; I love them both.
I'm such a geek.
Rawr454 2 years ago 13
No you arn't a geek.. I love or should I say am passionate,about any thing high performance.
You know that the diesels are just generatorsdon't you geek?
doowaditti 2 years ago
The Diesel engine is not just a generator, what you meant was "You know the diesel engine merely drives a generator" !
jchelm1979 1 year ago
Cool!
Weiberts 2 years ago
Nice video! Sounds like my old Plymouth Fury on a cold morning! Haha! seriously, though, really nice to see this old gal firing up!
MsC1953 2 years ago 2
Good video.
CrudeOctane 2 years ago
sounded great
GhostFearMe 2 years ago
American made machinery at its best, I wonder what year model are this engines, GM made locomotives for many many years.
n4120p 2 years ago
Wikipedia has a listing of all the locomotives search "GM "E" Diesel 567 V12"
angelica14709 2 years ago
@angelica14709 57s i think
TEMPLE7D 1 year ago
@n4120p It's an E8 which was made in the early 1950's. The engines are specifically 12 cylinder 567B prime movers.
clank4001 1 year ago
@n4120p This unit would be around 1952 I think.
cp256 1 year ago
@n4120p EMD built the E8 from 1950 to early 1954. It used the old 567B "squareholers". The E9 replaced it and had the 12V567C "roundholers," which cranked out 200 more BHP apiece. NYC was a big buyer of E8s, as was PRR.
DeserTBoB93535 11 months ago
@n4120p EMD built the E8 from 1950 to early 1954. It used the old 567B "squareholers". The E9 replaced it in May, '54 and had the 12V567C "roundholers," which cranked out 200 more BHP apiece. NYC was a big buyer of E8s, as was PRR. Western roads, (UP, SP) held out for the E9s, which had better dynamic brakes and more tractive effort, although SP bought the E8 demonstrator in 1950. It was the only E8 on the roster.
DeserTBoB93535 11 months ago
wonderful running sound!-maybe 500 rpm
Ubookz 2 years ago
sounded like a 1/2" wrench hit the floor...
spagNsc 2 years ago 2
What make was it?
angelica14709 2 years ago
I would be surprised if you told me Craftsman or Snap on, I am guessing a Blackhawk or Equivalent.
spagNsc 2 years ago
He said the test plugs are for letting water out of cylinders how do they survive the high compression of the engine while operating?
rowekmr 2 years ago
remember that these engines are designed to compress air and susrvive the combustion to deliver power.. But not to compress water, which is by nature, uncompressible. This would simply be like putting a rock in the chamber, it fucks everything up !
ericasw28 2 years ago
The compression on their surface area is not the same as on the face of the piston.
nickeax 2 years ago
Awesome vid!! Diesel engines are so great!!
Xx69roadrunnerxX 2 years ago 2
No sparks, but you would have flame; it's a diesel.
douro20 2 years ago
Did they move this with only one engine or both?
douro20 2 years ago
One, the other had the governor removed.
angelica14709 2 years ago
An E-unit needs both prime movers running to make rated horsepower.
manidig 2 years ago 2
was that an electric starter i heard??
i thought there were only air starters
dryDOCKriverRAT 2 years ago
The generator has starter windings in it.
angelica14709 2 years ago
If the locomotive has a main generator then it is used as the starter motor; if the locomotive has a main alternator then there are two starter motors as the main alternator cannot be employed as a starter motor.
Peterh5322 2 years ago
The main generator has the starter windings in it. Mike talks about it in one of my other videos.
angelica14709 2 years ago
great video
MUSTANGMAN50LX 2 years ago
It's either an E-8 or an E-9.
getacan1 2 years ago
E-9
55022RSG 2 years ago
It should be an E-8. The square hand hole covers indicates the crankace is a 567B, which was offereed in the E8. The E-9 would have round hand hold covers as it had the 567C engine/crankcase
clank4001 1 year ago
Is that a E or a F unit?
rocintrucker83021227 2 years ago
2.20 to 2.50 looks like a corridor from the Nostromo in the movie Alien.
wiltner 2 years ago
I had my hand over the lens so oil would not get on it and put a photo in while the lens was covered.
angelica14709 2 years ago
OK.. I looked it up... 4080 and 4068 were also owned by TCRM and were sold in early 2007 for service back up in New York State.
kmillard 2 years ago
Thanks for the comments.
angelica14709 2 years ago
What year is this video??? This locomotive has a sister unit Ex NYC 4084 which is now Tennessee Central 6902 and is in regular excursion service on TCRM trips out of Nashville.
kmillard 2 years ago
sounds like the best job in the world.
evhgl87 2 years ago
fantastic, thats what an engine should be like to start up
Aspire198 2 years ago
That is more or less the same starting procedures as my car.
rainerfilm 2 years ago 2
and you obviously have your head up your own arse because of it lol
glynhoyland 2 years ago
Can you figure what produKtNZ in the comment below is talking about on the layshaft?
angelica14709 2 years ago
layshaft is connected to the governor (engine fuel control. RPMs build up and the governor weights fly out on their shafts by centrifugal force.... maintains proper fuel flow for the commanded engine speed/power level. Startup commands full rack on the injectors... then it pulls back on the fuel as the engine starts... eventually stabilizing out at idle speed sounds normal to me, its a 567 they always ran a touch fast compared to the 645s and 710s. Most likely a cold start as well.
dodgeramb59 2 years ago
I was going to suggest exactly that this was a cold start and will perhaps idle a little faster than normal "warm" engine. The 567 and 645 engines have the same stroke length (10") and idle speeds (318 rpm), the dispacement difference is made up in the cylinder diameter (8.5" vs. 9.0625"). The 710 is 9.2" x 11.1" in bore and stroke. The stated idle speed I found for the 710 is 269 rpm.
BudmanPackfan 2 years ago
Irish Rail have a fleet of GMs, some with 8-567s and others with 8-645s. The 645s always idle higher than the 567s but maybe it's something to do with the way they were installed.
steeviebops 1 year ago
The layshaft on the side of the block in the video there: How does it move by itself?
produKtNZ 2 years ago
Two engines are pictured they are in opposite directions, is that any help. Could you look at the video and tell us the time (minutes and seconds)
of what you see.
angelica14709 2 years ago
Ahh, sorry. I meant from 3:58 to 4:06 but those times may miss depending on the video keyframes. Try anyway :)
produKtNZ 2 years ago
Governor.
defeder01 2 years ago
these machines are amazing
peugeotrider2012 2 years ago
ops do some have gear driven turbo types?
woodyate 2 years ago
Turbos are exaust driven not by gear. The newer EMD's have turbo chargers, look up EMD locomotives wikipedia.
angelica14709 2 years ago
Have some bad news for you. They are gear driven at idle, once under load,the clutch disengages and exhaust takes over to drive the turbo. I work on SD40 and SD70Ace every day(apart from weekends).
defeder01 2 years ago
cool vid , like the monster blower
woodyate 2 years ago
We had 2 V 12,s on a Landing Ship Tank
521 for main propulsion in WW2
fiorvanti 2 years ago
they were likely 12-567's
clank4001 2 years ago
What is the sound like a bass drum when the engine is starting?
TheGMFishbowl 2 years ago
Compression built up in the pistons...
NutsandGuts 2 years ago
Air Compressor
seth4404 2 years ago
is that the electric motor at the right side of the block? the one with a grid pattern on it, or is it some type of supercharger maybe?
samjezard 2 years ago
You are right it is a Roots type blower. The generator is below that powers the traction motors. The generator is about 30" in diamater
angelica14709 2 years ago
these engines were at the tennessee central in nashville a few years ago.
craniel2 2 years ago
medina ohio?
eye8owne8u 2 years ago
Medina, NY
angelica14709 2 years ago
So, similar to a Detroit then?
sambeano024 2 years ago
it is a detroit.its a series 567 loco engine.
robby844 2 years ago
it even has a giant supercharger wow
30GB 2 years ago
At 4:44 is that a large Roots type blower being gear driven off the engine?
sambeano024 2 years ago
The engine is 2 cycle with one exhaust valve, the blower makes this possible with multi cylinder engines. Power stroke every revolution per cylinder. Search google "GM EMD 567" for a diagram on how it works.
angelica14709 2 years ago
a GM diesel with one exhaust valve????
robby844 2 years ago
I should have said each cylinder has only exhaust valves, and intake ports at the bottom of the stroke.
angelica14709 2 years ago
oh ok cuz i was like wait what???? they have four valves per cylinder..great video..can you get anymore?
robby844 2 years ago
There is another one copy and paste "Mike Talks about NYC E8 Locomotive" in youtube search box.
angelica14709 2 years ago
...THE SOUND OF POWER..
razvianus 2 years ago
Boy does this bring back memories. Thanks for sharing. I have had the opportunity to rebuild some of these engines years ago.
jmrau 2 years ago
scooter tooke work power-pack
EMD 567-645
johnltooke 2 years ago
how do i get a job driving a CSX?
21ricky666 2 years ago
Why do you get water in the cylinders?
FARCRY1978 2 years ago
A damage head gasket will leak coolant into the cylinder.
angelica14709 2 years ago
Most common is rainfall entering through the stack and down through the exhaust valves. Other reasons are leaking heads, bad injectors, etc. We were required to blow the unit out if it had sat for more than 12 hours or if it had been raining.
dodgeramb59 2 years ago
Thanks angelica and dodgeramb for the answer.
I was surprised of the purge valves and blowing the unit out before starting.
Is it so normal to work with a leaking head ?
FARCRY1978 2 years ago
Depends on how well the maintenance is kept up. Generally its noticed by having to top off the water tank every so often... or there is Nalco deposits somewhere (red or green). Nalco is one of the common additives used in the cooling water.
dodgeramb59 2 years ago
Cool to see the racks open (the lever that swings just below the guy's starting hand) then she's away,why the fuel prime though ?,I take it these loco's dont have fuel header tanks like some of our british loco's hence the need to pressurize the system before a crank up
31144 2 years ago
With each cyl having an injector in the head, actuated by camshaft, you really can't have air in the lines there. Guessing, I suppose there's a means of bleeding air from the 12 injectors; it's a real PITA manually with a smaller GM 6-71, for instance.
woodscritter 2 years ago
There isn't a need to "bleed" the injectors after replacement. Priming the unit pushes fuel right to the unit injector for engine start. Excess fuel/air returns to the tank---Hence the two lines on each injector-- supply and return.
dodgeramb59 2 years ago