This is one of the things I loved about Steve. This was like a free-for-all!! Just some big party, with people shouting out and Steve playing around!! Such a showman he was.
now macbooks pro 15 and 17 inch have: intel quadcore i7 1 gb graphics card... 1080p hd screens .. hd 720 p isight camera...multi-touch trackpad...7 hours of battery life... i mean i want to se a direct comparison!
@GeekTechMac I know I do. Such a pretty shade of blue...it's like a reward every time I see it! The fact that I see it every two hours on a Winblows machine only adds to the beauty.
@motivatdguy2000 11 years ago it was insane. I still have one of these (800Mhz one) - works like a champ. Runs OS X Tiger. Really good computer. Even by today's standards it looks superb!
They still go on ebay for $200-300. 10 years later, still cost the same as brand new NETbooks. Amazing. Apple's stuff retains value like crazy.
You can literally RENT Apple's stuff, by buying new stuff, selling it a year later for 80% of the price (if not more), add 20% and get the new version.
Hmmm.... Got me thinking... Anybody wants to buy my unibody MBP15", or MacMINI 2009 model (top spec)? :)
Am I the only one who found it very annoying how he kept saying "mega-widescreen?" It wasn't very mega two years later when the 17'' PowerBook G4 debuted!
@randomrazr The problem with titanium is it was much more expensive than aluminum and apparently, it had a lot of issues with both paint and hinge stability. Apple has been using aluminum much longer than titanium, so I guess in the end, it was ultimately the better choice for building products out of.
if you believe this, you're fucking retarded. a g4 PowerPC remains like 50x more powerful than an ARM a4, which is the equivalent of an intel pentium MMX.
@Shawshank00 Well that's as maybe, but you have to remember that technology is always evolving all the time, the technology evolution isn't going to ever stop any time soon, so yes you're right about modern smartphones being more powerful than this PowerBook G4, but a modern notebook computer, particularly a high-end notebook like a Dell Studio or MacBook Pro is going to be far more powerful than your average smartphone.
I just can't make a full switch to Mac (To many applications I use on Windows that I can't substitute on Mac). I would love to get a Macbook Pro and install Windows XP and 7 on it (Keeping Snow leopard, too ofcourse ;P).I wonder if you can even do that (Legally)?
@Titanz91 yes, you can. although apple boot camp assistant lets you install only one version of windows aside to mac os, you can reformat your HD to three partitions and install third os regardless of BCA. It will behave just as if you installed it though BC.
Look at the (very thick PowerBook Pismo/Wallstreet) and this old thing looks like a modern laptop. My MacBook consists only of plastics but I love it (400€ on eBay).
holy crap at the price lol, jus..wow.....i dont think it is worth that much since the hardware isnt ALL THAT y'know, but then again it was in 2001, but still why pay much for just a computer, i mean right now there new computers have reduced a lot and are more powerful....Never mind cuz me is confuzed... :P
What's strange is that, if titanium is stronger than steel and lighter than aluminum, why weren't the newest MacBook models made of titanium instead of aluminum?
@MajorTechFan because apple had to paint the titanium and it would scratch and peel off easily so they went with aluminum so they could color it without paint
i surprized. i had a 400 mhz tibook with only 512 megs ram and it ran like a dream. i even had leopard on it with the help of some1 on craigslist. and at 400mhz and 512 it was still a fast little thing. maybe you had a bad one or you just had to turn down your graphics or something.
You know I honestly wish Apple would make a Macbook Pro without an optical drive. Imagine what you could do with that wedge thats gotta be at least 20 inches^2; you could almost double the size of the battery, or add a whole lot more ram, dual link video card maybe, second hard drive (imagine 1 TB storage in a thin and light portable! Perfect for say, Windows 7 :D), or make the darn thing even thinner and lighter. That would be epic :D
Alienware did the same thing... without removing the opticle drive, dual nVidia GTX280m in SLI, and can have up to a core 2 extreme, just 1.5 inches thick, backlit keyboard, slot load dvd (or blu-ray) 17 inch screen, Alienware M17x, I drool over that and I'm a mac fanboy!
Watching this video with my Macbook pro aluminum 13" 2.53GHz. it makes me laugh. However, I still think that titanium is better than aluminum....Geerrrrr
lol, alothough u have a point, i was just pointing out that they have a very close color scheme, for other macbook pros/powerbooks have been all aluminum or Black.
It's not all good though, the dell inspirons in a similar time had the same black on silver theme, and people even mock the new MBP for looking like a dell
@drexwlwlwlwlwlw That looks as much like a unibody MacBook Pro as a lampshade iMac looks like today's iMac. Just because it folds open/closed and is made out of a metal doesn't make it look the same.
@usedbookstore well, i mean, the color theme is much more akin to today's macbook pro line, with a silver case and chassis paired with a black keyboard. I only say so because the aluminum powerbook G4s and the earlier macbook pros had an all silver color scheme, and the powerbook lombard and earlier models had a relatively black color scheme.
@drexwlwlwlwlwlw Because they're both made out of metal. Beyond that, they're really quite different, from the placement of the ports and SuperDrive to how they're actually made, too.
This was certainly the landmark product of its day but the unibody aluminum models are better in virtually every way. The biggest problem with the G4 Titanium was that it wasn't anodized and thus had a nasty habit of tarnishing and losing its paint job.
@drygnfyre I certainly agree with that point. I just thought it was interesting to point out there was a certain resemblance (again, from a color scheme standpoint) between the current Macbook Pro line and the Powerbook in this video.
Know what's funny? He said out laptop has 5 hours of battery life. And they still do today. He also said the PC laptop only gets 2 hour battery life. And PC laptops still do get 2 hours of battery life today. Seems like nothing has changed. Also, how come Steve Jobs said that Titanium is better then aluminum? When all of Apples laptop today are made from aluminum.
This is one of the things I loved about Steve. This was like a free-for-all!! Just some big party, with people shouting out and Steve playing around!! Such a showman he was.
HHGFHJGFHJGFJTYFJDGY 2 weeks ago
That's fucking expensive
christoffer501 1 month ago
who would want 1 inch thick for sex?
kingcrimson234 1 month ago
240p... We meet again...
kingcrimson234 1 month ago
240p... We meet again...
kch51000 3 months ago
35,791 people heard Steve Jobs talk about sex during the keynote
colinatlantic 3 months ago
WTF's "mega widescreen"?
miniroll32 3 months ago
now macbooks pro 15 and 17 inch have: intel quadcore i7 1 gb graphics card... 1080p hd screens .. hd 720 p isight camera...multi-touch trackpad...7 hours of battery life... i mean i want to se a direct comparison!
As Apple does, i also miss you steve!
rip steve
TheSantiayo 4 months ago
They want the sex.
PSPRYANPSP 4 months ago
R.I.P. Steve Jobs
Born February 24th 1955
Died October 5th 2011
Aged 56
TheNorrwen 4 months ago 3
This is what most other laptops today look like. Apple was way ahead of it's time.
76ers 5 months ago 5
Now we have 8 or 7 hours on the MacBook Pro!
irulethe70s 5 months ago
Why does apple make EVERYTHING out of aluminum now if titanium is better
vistarox 6 months ago
@vistarox Because aluminum is cheaper than titanium, and alumium distrubtes heat more effectivly than titanium.
jonnyc93 5 months ago
"500mhz G4" WHOO!
Ten years later...
"2.3GHZ Quad core. 9.2ghz!" Meh...
AwollSGF 6 months ago
Macbook air? PowerBook G4....
JoelB3783 6 months ago
it maybe because Jeff Goldblum is talking in the commercial
howardstern5 6 months ago
What does he say at 2:58?
Technoguy3 7 months ago
My new macbook costs less than that and its WAAAYYYY faster and better!!!!
Matrickj 7 months ago
5 people dont want the sex
thesmartphonereviews 7 months ago
holy shit that's expensive
willprich 7 months ago
@TheBioman12 that was top notch technology back then
korn14420 8 months ago
@TheBioman12 the powerbook was released 10 years ago...that
korn14420 8 months ago
because it's mad' offfff tiiiitanium... BUTTTT
ToGoodToBeTruth 8 months ago
00:00 Did he just appear out of the shadows?
tmsdonline 8 months ago
as apple's computers get thinner, so does their CEO
thatguy0810 8 months ago
@thatguy0810
Be satisfied not beeing ill like him.
ToGoodToBeTruth 8 months ago
What the hell Power and sex was Jobs a pimp back then or som'n?
rafaelgomez121 8 months ago
Mega Wide Screen!!!
appayipyip 8 months ago
@itsLieber no, why?
thatapplegeek 9 months ago
3 people love blue screens of death
GeekTechMac 10 months ago 35
@GeekTechMac I know I do. Such a pretty shade of blue...it's like a reward every time I see it! The fact that I see it every two hours on a Winblows machine only adds to the beauty.
ReinnResauq 9 months ago
@GeekTechMac or don't get the sex xD
rafaelgomez121 8 months ago
@GeekTechMac
or they just dont like 240p ^^ like me....
ECHO11gaming 6 months ago
@GeekTechMac now 8
irulethe70s 5 months ago
@GeekTechMac i belive u mean 8 ppl luv blu screens of DeAtH
allandude92 4 months ago
@allandude92 funny, my PC has been running for 5 months without turning off or resetting and i haven't seen any blue screens.
kingcrimson234 1 month ago
@kingcrimson234 it's a mac, right? or linux.
TopOnTheAndroid 2 weeks ago
@TopOnTheAndroid no, Windows 7.
kingcrimson234 2 weeks ago
damn he was chubby back then
djpablito 10 months ago
Alright just gotta find some titanium and im set. Bitches get ready to get devastated MEGA PIMP is coming ... now in Titanium.
totallynotjonathan 10 months ago
500MHz processor?!? That's insane!! =)
motivatdguy2000 10 months ago
@motivatdguy2000 11 years ago it was insane. I still have one of these (800Mhz one) - works like a champ. Runs OS X Tiger. Really good computer. Even by today's standards it looks superb!
bathellfire 10 months ago
It's beautiful, almost as nice looking as the unibody MacBook Pros and Air.
thatapplegeek 11 months ago
They still go on ebay for $200-300. 10 years later, still cost the same as brand new NETbooks. Amazing. Apple's stuff retains value like crazy.
You can literally RENT Apple's stuff, by buying new stuff, selling it a year later for 80% of the price (if not more), add 20% and get the new version.
Hmmm.... Got me thinking... Anybody wants to buy my unibody MBP15", or MacMINI 2009 model (top spec)? :)
bathellfire 11 months ago
@VorkeyYT Haha actually I thought I was gonna use it to but it wasnt what I wanted so I'm selling it
OfficialDuckFilms 11 months ago
@VorkeyYT Not really. Im selling it on ebay right now and it is already up to $257.00. Mac computers hold there resale value very well.
OfficialDuckFilms 11 months ago
Just bought one off ebay for $189.00. =D
OfficialDuckFilms 1 year ago
Am I the only one who found it very annoying how he kept saying "mega-widescreen?" It wasn't very mega two years later when the 17'' PowerBook G4 debuted!
drygnfyre 1 year ago
10 years old but still looks better than most pc's
TrailerTank 1 year ago
would be cool if the new unibody macbook pro s were made of titanium
randomrazr 1 year ago
@randomrazr The problem with titanium is it was much more expensive than aluminum and apparently, it had a lot of issues with both paint and hinge stability. Apple has been using aluminum much longer than titanium, so I guess in the end, it was ultimately the better choice for building products out of.
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montagmonta 1 year ago
MEGA WIDE SCREEN? ZOMGGG
macosftw 1 year ago
15.2 inch wide screen! How will i fit it on my desk!!!!
bmccarville 1 year ago
"500MHz G4" OMG *CLAP CLAP CLAP* OMG THAT'S UNGODLY.
T966ER 1 year ago
Most high end smartphones today have a faster processor, faster wi-fi, more RAM, more storage and are thinner than that Powerbook.
Shawshank00 1 year ago 30
@Shawshank00 Amazing, isn't it?
Titanz91 1 year ago 2
@Shawshank00 Most of them are new Apples :P
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@Shawshank00
>a faster processor
if you believe this, you're fucking retarded. a g4 PowerPC remains like 50x more powerful than an ARM a4, which is the equivalent of an intel pentium MMX.
patachu666 5 months ago
@Shawshank00 Well that's as maybe, but you have to remember that technology is always evolving all the time, the technology evolution isn't going to ever stop any time soon, so yes you're right about modern smartphones being more powerful than this PowerBook G4, but a modern notebook computer, particularly a high-end notebook like a Dell Studio or MacBook Pro is going to be far more powerful than your average smartphone.
Lachlant1984 2 weeks ago
@Shawshank00 yeah and they are also more powerful than most computers from that time.
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robmaster94 1 year ago
thats my hometown on the screen in the ad!!!!
robmaster94 1 year ago
@birdman5050 But thanks, lol :P.
Titanz91 1 year ago
@birdman5050 I meant with three operating systems installed on their computers (Speaking specifically of two versions of Windows).
Titanz91 1 year ago
I just can't make a full switch to Mac (To many applications I use on Windows that I can't substitute on Mac). I would love to get a Macbook Pro and install Windows XP and 7 on it (Keeping Snow leopard, too ofcourse ;P).I wonder if you can even do that (Legally)?
Titanz91 1 year ago
@Titanz91 yes, you can. although apple boot camp assistant lets you install only one version of windows aside to mac os, you can reformat your HD to three partitions and install third os regardless of BCA. It will behave just as if you installed it though BC.
harcio 1 year ago
@harcio Ah ;o! Nice to know. Thanks a million :P.
Titanz91 1 year ago
Look at the (very thick PowerBook Pismo/Wallstreet) and this old thing looks like a modern laptop. My MacBook consists only of plastics but I love it (400€ on eBay).
DildoSurround 1 year ago
That thing looks like its a century old.
rayquazapwn88 1 year ago
I reckon that the new Macbook Pro's take some design cues from the TiBook, ie black keys and cover colour
kometdehallivand 1 year ago
1 inch thick was impressive for the time and it still is nice today
abehammy 1 year ago
he was so annoying and sex? Lol? Sex? not even try saying sex-appeal
Flashfoxpro 1 year ago
Aesthetically much better looking then anything in the macbook or macbook pro line to this day, 8 years later and still getting the job done.
JackDevlins 1 year ago
this is why people think macs are so expensive but they aren't this expensive any more.
bobslim 1 year ago
holy crap at the price lol, jus..wow.....i dont think it is worth that much since the hardware isnt ALL THAT y'know, but then again it was in 2001, but still why pay much for just a computer, i mean right now there new computers have reduced a lot and are more powerful....Never mind cuz me is confuzed... :P
Blitzerboy1408 1 year ago
why do i find it sick when he said sex, do it standing up... 1 inch thick
Fishcake21 1 year ago
its funny how Apple has made laptops with 5 hour batteries since 2008, and my new PC only has 2 hrs.
TheAvery86 1 year ago
@TheAvery86 basic line macbook pros has a 10 hour battery life now. >.>
Athos523 1 year ago
@TheAvery86
This video is from 2001 not 2008 they ve had 4-5 hours batterylife since the G3 wallstreet.
nowdays we have 10hours i managed to get 12.5 hours from mine...
pioneerz450 1 year ago
sex sounds a bit less appealing when jobs says it
julianbell90 1 year ago
Like the SPY PLANES!!!
WalcomTV 1 year ago
lmao at 9:34 he said powermac g4 again
vantageIIx 1 year ago
I own a titanium powerbook 550mhz I bought in 2001 and you know what? It is a goddamn champion.
The design was so fluckin spot on and ahead of it's time. I almost cried when I unpacked it 9 years ago.
J25x 1 year ago
@hyperthreaded
titanium is stronger
ByPitts 1 year ago
"Lighter than aluminum"?? Titanium (Ti): density 4.506 g*cm^-3; Aluminum (Al): density 2.70 g*cm^-3. What the fuck is the guy talking about?
hyperthreaded 1 year ago
MEGA WIDE screen. Amazing that that was actually a feature back then.
rockgod2131 2 years ago
This guy is a true genius "Power & Sex"
d1995a3 2 years ago
Random Audience Member: "I want one!"
Jobs: "You and about a billion other people."
Wired2X 2 years ago
ive brought one of ebay for £100 lol !!
:L
XxLFCSH0TxX 2 years ago
I had one of these, and I loved it. Last me a long time, too.
tndowns1122 2 years ago
What's strange is that, if titanium is stronger than steel and lighter than aluminum, why weren't the newest MacBook models made of titanium instead of aluminum?
MajorTechFan 2 years ago
@MajorTechFan because apple had to paint the titanium and it would scratch and peel off easily so they went with aluminum so they could color it without paint
ac12311 2 years ago
Titanium is way more expensive
MacPhantom 2 years ago
@MajorTechFan: Because it's too expensive.
DeltaPhi79 2 years ago
no titanium is expensive and isn't as environmentally friendly as aluminum
Jakkinator45 2 years ago
i think because its more recyclable. in combination with the glass they were going for the environmental thing.
plus its probably cheaper
Cmac787 2 years ago
because aluminum is cheaper.
and since titanium is stronger, it's harder to shape.
foxofinfinety 2 years ago
I want a mac >:(
laptoplover2 2 years ago
Did anyone catch what the guy from the audience was shouting at about 3:00 ? "I want one" ?
munkisbeprotis 2 years ago
Yup! He said that which prompted Steve to joke and say "You and about a billion other people." lol.
troyoda1990 2 years ago
"You and about a billion other people!"
BarricadeSlade 2 years ago 2
what a rip off! lol
Rarrin9378 2 years ago
2499, or 3499, hmm, a thousand dollars for a hundred megahertz, I can't believe that actually happened back then
laptoplover2 2 years ago
500 MHZ was HUGE back then beacuse of the os being so small and lightweight
LesPaulDude09 2 years ago
OS X was so slow back then. I had an 867mhz Powerbook. Yuck.
robvas 2 years ago
yeah i remember opaque window resizing used to turn my ibook into a fanwheezefest
AdvaitSarkar 2 years ago
i surprized. i had a 400 mhz tibook with only 512 megs ram and it ran like a dream. i even had leopard on it with the help of some1 on craigslist. and at 400mhz and 512 it was still a fast little thing. maybe you had a bad one or you just had to turn down your graphics or something.
nannynicky4life 1 year ago
I'm still using a 600Mhz PIII in my notebook...
(and yes, I really need to get a new notebook XD)
foxofinfinety 2 years ago
Still have my ti which I bought new, its in the original box and staying out of harm's way.
I was able to pick another one up at the apple store, which had not been sold, and was still pretty much brand new other than use by the staff there.
The g4 titanium was the best looking notebook apple released in my opinion, macbook pro's are nice but pretty bland in comparison design wise.
NurvTronics 2 years ago
my tibook is still running strong, beautiful machine.
ephemerol 2 years ago 2
Deja Vu with that commercial.... I can swear I saw it! I recognize that video in the ad too much!!!! I would have been 5 years old.
DeltaPhi79 2 years ago
5:47 Haha, they stopped clapping and the entire auditorium fell silent when he said: "There's 2 Models"
thetechnologicone 2 years ago
pause da vid @ 0:01 - dat aint steve jobs!! lol
JoHnWaYnEv2nd 2 years ago
ya it is its just in a different color or somethin lol
jgrosse5554 2 years ago
You know I honestly wish Apple would make a Macbook Pro without an optical drive. Imagine what you could do with that wedge thats gotta be at least 20 inches^2; you could almost double the size of the battery, or add a whole lot more ram, dual link video card maybe, second hard drive (imagine 1 TB storage in a thin and light portable! Perfect for say, Windows 7 :D), or make the darn thing even thinner and lighter. That would be epic :D
irreverentmoose 2 years ago
Alienware did the same thing... without removing the opticle drive, dual nVidia GTX280m in SLI, and can have up to a core 2 extreme, just 1.5 inches thick, backlit keyboard, slot load dvd (or blu-ray) 17 inch screen, Alienware M17x, I drool over that and I'm a mac fanboy!
BarricadeSlade 2 years ago
There are a lot of epic laptops out there nowadays. HP envy's Macbook clones are pretty good too.
irreverentmoose 2 years ago
Funy thing about the envy...
Worse than the MacBooks yet more expensive lol.
I'd still rather have an Alienware M17x... C'mon SSI!!!
BarricadeSlade 2 years ago
one downside to the M17x.
Your specs you listed r $7 grand
Yeah,,,,fk that
P4G3MUS1K 2 years ago
You can get quad core and SLI in the M17x for around 3k. MacBook Pro is a joke next to it. 2k for core 2 duo and GeForce 9600????? Fuck that!
BarricadeSlade 2 years ago
$2,500-$3,400 seems a bit costly. I just found one online for $349.
radioactivenews 2 years ago
It was a different time.
irreverentmoose 2 years ago 9
Indeed, and thats great value for a computer that old.
NurvTronics 2 years ago
raadioactivenews: 2009 vs 2001. Back then, this was either on par or cheaper.
DeltaPhi79 2 years ago
Watching this video with my Macbook pro aluminum 13" 2.53GHz. it makes me laugh. However, I still think that titanium is better than aluminum....Geerrrrr
aeroscope 2 years ago
hahaha "thats my finger!"
ItsEthanito 2 years ago 2
notice how it looks like the macbook pro unibody? just thought id point dat out :D
drexwlwlwlwlwlw 2 years ago 16
not at all. not even the keys
MetroidPrimefan1 2 years ago
lol, alothough u have a point, i was just pointing out that they have a very close color scheme, for other macbook pros/powerbooks have been all aluminum or Black.
It's not all good though, the dell inspirons in a similar time had the same black on silver theme, and people even mock the new MBP for looking like a dell
just a fellow geek with his 2 cnets :D
drexwlwlwlwlwlw 2 years ago
The PowerBook G3 wasn't made of aluminum....
DeltaPhi79 2 years ago
@drexwlwlwlwlwlw That looks as much like a unibody MacBook Pro as a lampshade iMac looks like today's iMac. Just because it folds open/closed and is made out of a metal doesn't make it look the same.
usedbookstore 1 year ago
@usedbookstore well, i mean, the color theme is much more akin to today's macbook pro line, with a silver case and chassis paired with a black keyboard. I only say so because the aluminum powerbook G4s and the earlier macbook pros had an all silver color scheme, and the powerbook lombard and earlier models had a relatively black color scheme.
drexwlwlwlwlwlw 1 year ago
@drexwlwlwlwlwlw Because they're both made out of metal. Beyond that, they're really quite different, from the placement of the ports and SuperDrive to how they're actually made, too.
This was certainly the landmark product of its day but the unibody aluminum models are better in virtually every way. The biggest problem with the G4 Titanium was that it wasn't anodized and thus had a nasty habit of tarnishing and losing its paint job.
drygnfyre 1 year ago
@drygnfyre I certainly agree with that point. I just thought it was interesting to point out there was a certain resemblance (again, from a color scheme standpoint) between the current Macbook Pro line and the Powerbook in this video.
drexwlwlwlwlwlw 1 year ago
@drexwlwlwlwlwlw
Ah, miss the old "Apple Computer Inc." ...these days the mac plays second fiddle...
Still have my 1 ghz Ti-book in near mint condition, pulled it out of the storage after a few years recently, and was immediately re-obsessed with it.
Still looks better than anything they have with intel chips on the conveyor belt.
zantronics 1 year ago
"mega widescreen! 5hr battery life!"
*cheer clap clap*
"you can own one if you give apple you child"
*silence*
bobbytomorow 2 years ago 19
lmao XD
irreverentmoose 2 years ago
Know what's funny? He said out laptop has 5 hours of battery life. And they still do today. He also said the PC laptop only gets 2 hour battery life. And PC laptops still do get 2 hours of battery life today. Seems like nothing has changed. Also, how come Steve Jobs said that Titanium is better then aluminum? When all of Apples laptop today are made from aluminum.
joewillgo 2 years ago
they use to be, but then apple discovered it was bad for wireless and after a while the painted sections flacked off
macnerd93 2 years ago
He never said it was better than aluminum. he said it was lighter. they went to aluminum because it conducts heat 40 times better!!
MetroidPrimefan1 2 years ago 2
The MacBook Pro's today have up to 7-8 hours of battery life, built in, and can last 5 years.
They chose aluminum because it was environmentally friendly.
PianoScience 2 years ago 2
lol steve keeps sayin "power mac"
MightyMaul 3 years ago 2
I want the sex. D=
koasterlover3315 3 years ago 2
he said "i want one!!"
albkid88 3 years ago 3
what did the guy say in the audience, before steve said you & about a billion other people
macnerd93 3 years ago
"want one!".
Considering that the same phrase was used in the TV ad, I'd say is was arranged :-P
hyperthreaded 2 years ago