Creative Quotations from H. G. Wells for Sep 21

[jaimielilly]

manipulator. trickster. a man so eager to impose a different reality for himself that he had others fooled too. not many people are "good" all the "time", but this guy helped me realize how naive minds should be protected for sure. i could see through the documentary where others fed off this mans own power struggles, and then used it to hurt others. some over achievers are just "off" for they are guided by appetites that are not peaceful minded or heartfelt at all.

[blank21121]

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i guess its true.....What was willis talking 'bout ?

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991 Btw, if you read some of his fiction, there's a work of fiction by him which gives a very big glimpse of his views, and agenda: The Shape of Things to Come.

There he gives you the whole notion of an internationalist establishment using sciences to wage war on the peoples of the world (including the "less evolved", or "unfit"), to establish a 'new world order', where that establishment would reign absolutely, through technocracy. It's his most interesting fictional book, for me.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@TheLibertyChannel

Yes, Shaw even gave them ideas, when calling for a 'painless gas' to kill off the 'unfit'. Zyklon B.

Trotsky? Well, he was the mastermind behind the Red Terror campaigns in villages, where the Bolsheviks would single out random people and torture and execute them as examples for the rest. He was also one of the masterminds behind the great Russian 'agricultural revolution', which actually killed millions of people. He wasn't a nice man, no. But they do paint him as such.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

What seems, is often not. Wells agreed with Trotsky on the objective of world revolution, run by an internationalist establishment. He also liked the Nazis (and said so himself, several times) but it's quite possible they didn't like him and the Fabians, since they believed in world dominance by a national people, not a group of internationalists. But I don't know much of the Nazis' views of the Fabians, just the Fabians' liking for the Nazis.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

Yes, but having been accepted into an aristo house (I think the Huxley's), Wells thought himself superior to his natural born peers. He'd do anything to remain up there, with the establishment. Bertrand Russell went into that in one of his books...I think it was his autobiography.

No, it's pointless because really, we could discuss this forever, but it still wouldn't make a difference: you have to read his political material for yourself.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

Yes, he wanted to sterilize those he saw as the 'unfit': the poor, the un-wealthy middle classes, the disabled, the mentally impaired, the criminals (in his parlance, anyone who would be against the system) and all of those who wouldn't be able to 'adapt' into his utopia system. Those included the Australian Aborigenes, for instance, among several other native peoples.

But really, this conversation is pointless. It was a pleasure but, please, read his books, go into his lectures.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

As I said, please read his real books (not just his fiction), as well as Russell's real books (The Impact of Science on Society, The Scientific Outlook).

By the way, he states that thing about mass sterilizing the population in "A Modern Utopia", once again. Everyone that isn't "important" to the state, in his utopia, is to be sterilized, to prevent them spreading their 'bad lineage', according to him. All in line with social darwinism, which these people advocated.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

Really pal, read his books yourself. And then, read a good sample of the rest of the Fabian authors, and study the history of their supposedly 'middle-of-the-road', incremental, socialism, and how it spread throughout the world. Study the foundations, parties, international organizations, corporations, NGOs, they created, in league with big banking.

By the end of it, you might have a clearer picture of what it all comes down to.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

No, it was you who put an emphasis on that particular book. I mentioned a few others, besides that one. And, despite all your attempts at a spin, no it's not a novel. It's a political work in a semi-novelesque format. Of course it's not THE manifesto (your word too); it's A manifesto, such as 'Anticipations', 'New World Order' or 'The Open Conspiracy'.

A totalitarian manifesto.

If you haven't read it in its entirety, please do so. You might learn a thing or two about your hero.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991 Oh, and he hated the middle class and the poor, as he leaves quite clear in his various books, including his utopian manifesto, written in semi-novelesque form, "A Modern Utopia".

He stated these classes should be submitted to «confiscatory taxation» and thus be made highly austere, and that those people who wouldn't be of greater importance to their communities should either be sterilized, or sent into camps, or both.

This was also stated by many other Fabians, such as GB Shaw.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

Look, did you ever read that book....? Or are you just playing silly?

Don't mind my response, but seriously, this is absurd.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

....in the middle-class papers and then went on to put the totalitarian stuff in the books destined to his peers, like 'The Scientific Outlook'.

That's part of the Fabian technique. The wolf in sheep's clothing.

Also, I don't really care if the Nazis wanted to kill Wells. But I DO KNOW what Wells wrote about them. How they'd be wonderful allies and all of that. How world totalitarian socialism (whether nationalistic or internationalistic) was the way to go.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

No, that was a manifesto in a semi-novelesque form, as he himself states. Even if he didn't it would still be quite obvious..... after all, he spends the entire book making comparisons between his lovely fascist utopia and the horrid world he 'left behind'.

Plus he reasserts his beliefs in other non-fictional books, which I have mentioned here. I don't really care about what he said as PR to the middle-class papers. It's like Bertrand Russell, who wrote sickly hypocritical stuff ...

[TheLibertyChannel]

He also pointed out particular peoples who would have to be erradicated, like Australian Aborigenes ("Modern Utopia").

His own words, in an Oxford talk, entitled "Liberal Fascism":

"I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti (...) we outsiders, that is, the young people with foresight for enlightened Nazis; I am proposing that you consider the formation for a greater Communist Party; a western response to Russia"

(he actually saw that international socialism was the same as national socialism...)

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

He was a 'pacifist' in that he believed in the communist meaning of peace: all opposition is eliminated, and then there's 'universal peace'.

He advocated sterilization and compulsory poverty for the large majority of the people. He advocated death camps, in "A Modern Utopia", though he does it in a very cynical way, describing them as islands to where the prisoners would be taken by cruise.

GB Shaw, his colleague who advocated Zyklon-B, was a lot more honest about those things.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@dds31991

Have you ever read his non-fictional works, like "the New World Order", "A Modern Utopia" or "The Open Conspiracy", among many others?

Yes, he was the wolf in sheeps clothing (the **literal** symbol of Fabian socialism! -- check out the Fabian Society's historic banner, if you don't believe that), he always wrote with very sweet, legalese, words.

But read those books and tie all of his actual proposals together, and you won't find a nice liberal. You'll find a totalitarian.

[TheLibertyChannel]

Wells was essentially what he himself termed, 'a liberal fascist' or an 'enlightened Nazi'.

He was a criminal, who played a pivotal role in setting up Fabian socialism throughout the western world. Who advocated eugenics sterilization, death camps for the unfit, a totalitarian world state modeled after the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

It's amazing to me, after having read his ideological and political works to see so many left-wing do-gooders embrace this monster, who'd have them ALL killed.

[SpinergyDude]

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