@gotfire3 Steel doesn't have to melt (turn into liquid) to bend and be malleable. Blacksmiths hammer steel into shape when it is soft and malleable, but not melted.
i heard steel beams breaking and some steel perimiter or core columns hitting the ground during footage of WTC1's collapse reply if anyone else did :"(
I love the shot at the end, it looks so much like an ad for the 'future' of America.
If the building sagged before it collapsed then that's because it was meant to do so. It was a controlled demolition, like a fireworks show thrown by the pentagon, using it's billion dollar budget to really put on a show with remote controlled plane missiles and exploding pentagon, collapsing buildings - even more than were hit by planes! It was a masterpiece of terrorism! Gold medal goes to.................
"No moron, truss constuction will always sag 1st before the final collapse. Its a warning sign. "
warning of what, that YOUR an IDIOT!!!
there is NO LOAD bearing on the trusses, it's the vertical support that MUST fail before the structure is compromised...and there is NO EVIDENCE of that occurring in the towers from the FIRES PRESENT to the support to ALLOW collapse to occur.
@LHOdidntdoit so im the only one to say it lol?thats funny.so what am i trying to change the subject to you retard?i havent changed the subject at all why would i?exposed lol,you can see before your eyes that it does what i say it does and because of that you cant take it lol.INSIDE JOB!!!!
seems to me i cant reply to your comments anymore lol.is the truth hard to swallow?
And we all know due to racism and western arrogance that the terrorists were a bunch of uneducated cave men anyway, how could ARABS possibly take advantage of the fact that cockpits weren't even closed and that non-metallic weapons hidden on persons were not screened for, or the assumption that anyone who hijacked a plane would need to land it, no ARAB could be that sophisticated, besides they had no reason to attack the corporations that destroyed their homeland.
@Laughingblades You are the one promoting lies. Espeacilly if you think those hi jackers were cavemen, Also its kinda funny how you think all Arabs are primitive uneducated people. If you did research you would no that those hi jackers went to collegem, they gained US citizenship and took flying lessons, and that they carried out their attacks in the name of their religion. Also you'd be suprised at all the evidence that debunks all your faulse flag rubbish.
@Laughingblades Your comment shows just how cloesd minded you are. Also since when does Fox News say that Arabs live in caves. Do you think all Arabs live in deserts, Saudi Arabia has big cities too unknow. Also Al Qeada orginazations like it use caves as bases and hiding places. That doesnt mean that they live in them like Cavemen. You need to look at things properlly.
@TheShadowWarrior110 WUT? You mean FOX News didn't try to create the impression that Arabs are primitive terrorists who live in sand and caves? I learned 3 things from watching Bill O'Reilly and whoever that other guy was who's name I forget.
1: All Arabs are terrorists, and Muslim Radicals who rape children
2: They hate us for our freedom, and have no legitimate grievances
3: They all live in caves plotting how to destroy our freedom with Anthrax
@Laughingblades You seem more like a racist than a Conspiracy Theorist. Also Fox News is not always right. It would seem you havent learned anything. Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries do have alot of Terrorists and Radiclas but not all of them are like that.
@Laughingblades Yes. The Media is not always accurate. And it doesnt make no diffirece wether you are balck or not. You are a black american and you are making bad remarks about Arabs. Arabs and Americans are a diffirent culture.
@TheShadowWarrior110 But by American standards, being black means I can't possibly be racist, and since the American standard for black is anyone with dark skin, I'm black, so therefore by American standards, I can't possibly be a racist. See how it works? Now what do you mean the media isn't accurate? Next thing you'll tell me is that right winged radio lies, and how could you possibly say that? I mean have you ever listened to Ghost on True Capitalist Radio?
@Laughingblades Just because American standards says it that doesnt mean its true. Racist means to degrade another race. Which exactly what you are doing. You are trying to make it sound like all Arabs are primitive and radical terrorists. Also dont try and tell me that black people have never been racist towards white people. Stop trying to twist my words. Also not everything on the media is accurate. It means that meida isnt always right. Get a brain will you
Heat does not make metal expand this is stupid next thing you'll tell me is that terrorist had a motive to attack the WTC or that Building 7 was damaged by collapsing rubble and later demolished in a controlled demolition, or that the molten 'steel' was actually molten aluminum, and we all know that's not possible because Alex Jones.
I am glad 9/11 happened. The US deserved it. I feel sorry for the innocent people who died on that day, but the country as a whole needed it. Of course, it was just another excuse to invade the Middle-east and slaughter innocent people for their oil. The US is truly a terrible place. I wish we never colonized it.
@LHOdidntdoit Hey sir (or ma'am), I have enjoyed this conversation but my wife has pointed out that I am not using my time effectively (which is a New Year's resolution of mine) by spending time on internet chat/message forums, which I agree. So we disagree on the cause of the collapse, but we both agree it's foolish to think our government would have caused it to happen. Good luck to you.
@LHOdidntdoit interpretation of facts, and in a lot of cases, theories based on theories.
So with that said, does anyone want to donate a billion dollars to build an exact replica and crash a 767 into it? Do I see any hands raised to volunteer? (Ha ha)
@LHOdidntdoit entirely false and that the government set it up to gain control over us. I don't find either one of there explanations to be very rational, and there are a lot like me out there. Why do we have to be lumped into one of these two extremist groups? Why couldn't the government have been wrong, and if they were wrong, why do they have to be the one's to blame? I just can't limit myself to two extremes.
Everyone please learn this stuff: Thermites and Themates are NOT explosives.
You don't get the enormous bang with massive fire balls in all directions. It's subtle in comparison and SUPER hot, slicing through steel like a knife through butter.
These devices were obviously planted by pro teams at night and/or on the weekends over a long period. It's so glaringly obvious now . . . albeit too late.
I HATE it when people proudly spout the word 'debunk' so confidently like they've one-uped everyone else or noticed something nobody else did, or know something nobody else knows.
In any case, WTC7 tells all. When you watch that building free-fall symmetrically into it footprint after zero airplane impacts and just a few tiny sporadic fires here and there and you STILL trust the governments and agencies who are running your lives for you . . . . then you're all as thick as S**T and you ALL deserve what you get.
@LightEternal222 "When you watch that building free-fall symmetrically into it footprint after zero airplane impacts and just a few tiny sporadic fires"
Flies directly in the face of the testimony of those who were there.
Namely FDNY.
Everything you wrote is false. Except the fact no plane hit it, but planes aren't the only things capable of inflicting structural damage now are they?
ALSO, 2.5 secs of free fall does not eq overall freefall. Its a non issue, the real issue is WHY it failed.
Guys, listen, my best friend is a 747 AND a 777 Captain. Jet fuel simply does not burn anywhere near the temperature to even weaken or soften STRUCTURAL steel and neither does anything else in those buildings. If jet fuel did, it would therefore burn hot enough to weaken, damage or even melt the AIRPLANE engines it's designed to burn inside of you idiots!!!!
@LightEternal222 "If jet fuel did (burn hot enough to weaken/soften structural steel), it would therefore burn hot enough to weaken, damage or even melt the AIRPLANE engines it's designed to burn inside of you idiots!!!!"
Fuel burns in your average commercial jet engine at about 2000 degrees Celsius, or around 3600 degrees Fahrenheit. Before you attempt to call other people idiots- I strongly suggest you educate yourself first.
"Fuel burns in your average commercial jet engine at about 2000 degrees Celsius, or around 3600 degrees Fahrenheit"
under pressurized optimum conditions......but NOT in an unpressurized open air environment, then it is just diesel, a hydrocarbon, the same as office products and furniture....and will not/DID NOT fail the remaining 240 intact fireproofed vertical support remaining on each towers impact floor.
@hgfbob writes for the 1,000 time as pointlesslt as the 1st time he posted it: "and will not/DID NOT fail the remaining 240 intact fireproofed vertical support remaining on each towers impact floor."
No one claims it did Hbooob.
NO ONE!
Yet you do it 1,000 times?
Why are you arguing against claims that dont even exist?
EVERYONE here please stop over analyzing and talking crap and simply accept the fact that the smaller top section of both of these towers simply cannot drop at free-fall speed, straight down and punch its way through the remaining and substantially larger section of the building below it and reduce all of the MASSIVE steel core columns and ENORMOUS concrete floors to nothing but dust and then somehow destroy itself too. It is physically impossible without question.
@LightEternal222 "It (the destruction of how the tower happened) is physically impossible without question"
Apologies- But I AM going to question it. Why do you assert this? Do you simply "think" this is so, or do you have something more substantial? Ie education in the fields of science at hand, or verifiable sources to support your claims? If you do have sources- Can you please enlighten us to them? Apologies- Im merely curious to HOW you got your conclusions.
because it's true...Natural collapses are Chaotic events. You CANNOT have symmetry from chaos. For any building to fall symmetrically all supporting columns would have to fail simultaneously, otherwise undamaged columns would create resistance in the collapse and would cause the building to either stop collapsing, or fall to the path of least resistance causing a non-symmetrical collapse.
as in the case of WTC7...The key is the 2.3 second interval of collapse in which the rate of fall was "Indistinguishable from FREEFALL". The signifigance of FREEFALL is that NONE of the gravitational potential energy was available to destroy the supporting structures, since it was ALL converted to MOTION!
Where is the delay that MUST be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational Laws of Physics?
Simple fact: if any of the building's potential energy went to destroying itself, it would have lost kinetic energy which requires that the building slow in its fall, since WTC7 DID fall at free-fall, it wasn't causing itself to collapse.
When it comes to a building collapse the resistance should be MASSIVE, so a few seconds less than free-fall speed, [BOTH tower collapses], does not equate to resistance in the system that should have been there.
@hgfbob My posts were getting long winded- Removed them just to snip it down. In the end im not really interested in "your" conclusions. I am a skeptic by nature- Im not interesting in stating what did, or DIDNT happen- I merely want your sources with verifiable information that drew you to your conclusions. Something more than someone going "I THINK this shouldve happened..", and preferably from someone with related credit on the matter. Do you have any such sources? Or just "I think"
@LightEternal222 " simply accept the fact that the smaller top section of both of these towers simply cannot drop at free-fall speed, straight down and punch its way through the remaining and substantially larger section of the building below it"
They didnt drop at FF so TRY AGAIN!
Plus you exhibit no knowledge of vertical dynamic loads at alL.
You are CLUELESS. Not to mention FALSE.
The concrete floors dont even enter into it as they were notvVERTICAL support at all..
What happened on 9/11 is not just suspicious . . . . . . it's defies all physical law and CANNOT happen the way you scared little disbelieving sheep think it did.
End of argument. There simply is NO argument.
So stop arguing and WAKE UP!!!
A bunch of guys who live in caves did NOT do this. Y
You have a domestic enemy embedded into your society and they are the ones who planned and executed this atrocity.
"don't be crazy, why would some government agency kill it's own people?" I hear you pathetically ask . . yet AGAIN! Ummmmmm let me think . . . . ummmm . . . to force an agenda perhaps!! To steer the world in the direction they choose! To make heaps of money at your expense. And you're all pathetic enough to let it happen. Thanks a lot America!!
The bastards behind this DO NOT care about you. It does't matter if you're American or from anywhere else in the world. You're NOTHING to these people. They think you're all stupid, and you know what? . . . . . They're right! It doesn't matter who you vote for. They will do as they please because they know you can neither prove anything or stop them.
You may as well throw your precious constitution out the window because they already have!
You're as unimportant and insignificant to these perpetrators as anyone in a foreign country they drop a smart bomb on. They don't Know the people who died inside those buildings any more than they know a single living soul who has died in Iraq or Afghanistan, because
It's not THEIR sons and daughters who have been sent off to another country to be shot or blown to pieces . . . . it's YOURS!! So why would they care? Their loved ones are safe! And to these evil, crazy people . . that's all that matters to them. So they'll play their sick game of global chess and use us poor folk as the pieces and use the world as their own personal piggy bank while they're at it.
watch from 2:20 for all the flashes with some many floors away from the failing area.this is what brought the buildings down not the horseshit weakened steel theory.
@mphasis1983 Well, since thta angle is the only one that produces those visual effects, I'd say it has to do with banks of windows breaking and reflecting/refracting in the sun.
Besides, Im looking for blasts that cause the bldgs to move in the 1st place.
Where are they?
your light flashes are caused by the buildings movement, big difference.
@LHOdidntdoit i dont know where explosives had moved the building but what i do know is a building could not collapse down into itself destroying all the floors below it without any help.its just silly to think that that could happen and in 10 secs aswell lol,that really is strange.
@mphasis1983 Yes of course it would destroy itself and did as witnessed, besides, demo engrs use the buildings own weight ALL THE TIME.
In point of FACT.
Its been mathematically and categorically proven that any more than 8 floors being suddenly dropped onto the rest does the job. So 15 and 30, no problem.
Where are you getting this 10 sec crap from anyway?
@LHOdidntdoit it would be impossible for a start for those piss ant fires to weaken the steel and impossible again for the building to collapse down into most resistance destroying the floors below,its crazy that people think this would happen.of course we witnessed it collapse but it didnt destroy itself it was helped.the 10 secs crap is how long these buildings took to disappear lol,how could you not know what im on about?
@LHOdidntdoit so i dont know what impossible means lol but i just stated that 15 floors could not crush 95 without the floors below being weakened,physics is how its impossible.how can there be enough energy to carry on the collapse without help?its laughable.yes piss ant fires!!the fires were not infernos nowhere near,and what does a smoke trail have to do with it lol?its the fire thats the problem and there isnt a big fire to look at.10 secs is full collapse,where u get 19-21?
@LHOdidntdoit "8 floors and its over"so why do demolition companys waste all the time and money rigging buildings with explosives when they can just start a fire and let gravity do the rest with 8 floors lol?even if your theory is correct it would take much longer because of resistance and there would be evidence of collapse at the bottom which the towers didnt have,everything was pulverized apart from certain bits of steel.no pancake evidence or massive rubble pile compared to the towers.
@LHOdidntdoit fire is what caused collapse is it not?or is it now planes?
as witnessed lol,where did we witness 15-30 floors destroy the buildings in 10 secs?i never witnessed that,and nor did other people who dont follow the herd.i suggest you watch this vid from 3 mins and tell me how that steel turns to dust.
watch?v=MItLEIBOzYU
im not sure steel turns to dust lol unless something is making it do so,zero point energy maybe.
As a matter of fact you couldnt have the fires w/o the planes.
Which took out structure setting up the weakest link scenarios that played out till failure. The cause of the fires actually mattered as well. Surely youre not saying that normal office fires are the same as those caused by plane strikes.
Get REAL.
What is this steel turning to dust BS anyway?
As for your 10 secs, AGAIN, THAT WAS THE TIME FOR THE 1ST DEBRIS TO HIT.
@LHOdidntdoit no it wasnt fire lol and yes the planes would have weakened areas but it wouldnt collapse the way it did,its just insane to look at the events and not see unnatural occurrences.a fire is a fire,tell me what was so special about this fire compared to a normal office fire?let me guess the jet fuel which burnt off straight away lol.the dust is where i said.as for your 10 secs,wtf thousands of vids with 10 sec collapses and you add another 10 secs to the time.1st debris lol
@LHOdidntdoit well done you got me with the time ill go and get your shiny medal.this proves jack about the collapse because it should of taken longer lol and also why wasnt the core left if its just the outter walls falling?also the brilliant 911 commission report even says it took 10 secs ffs,can you see what crap it feeds everyone and people swear by it.i confirm that yes,do you confirm magic passports exist?it doesnt matter how the fire started lol its meaningless there wasnt enough heat.
@LHOdidntdoit lovin your disinfo tactics here lol.i know you didnt say anything about passports lol you called me dumb for saying the spire turns to dust when there is video evidence of it doin so.so i asked you if you believe in magic passports because the commission report says that a terrorist passport was found in the rubble but everything else was pulverized.what a coincidence it was a terrorist passport and not 1 of the passengers.so do you?
@mphasis1983 "you called me dumb for saying the spire turns to dust when there is video evidence of it doin so"
If you think the steel spire, which was what was left of the core after the main collapse, ACTUALLY TURNED TO DUST, then you are an idiot of biblical proportions.
Let me propose something just slightly more realistic:
The collapse impacted the spire with dust, TOTALLY. The spire, having no structural integrity, simply falls, leaving the previously impregnated dust hanging in the air.
@LHOdidntdoit the spire isnt the core its the outer columns lol.if you think the towers WOULD COLLAPSE THE WAY THEY DID NATURALLY then you are an even bigger idiot of biblical proportions.
so you think its realistic for steel to disapear before it moves down past where we can see it lol?as it comes down the top disapears ffs,how can that seriously be dust coming off it,you ignore evidence with some simple retarded explanation.
@LHOdidntdoit wrong everytime,where do you get that from you lol?what difference does it make if its the outter columns or the core you loser?does that now mean for certain that there was no inside job lol?the steel falls away but disapears from the top before it has a chance to go down?use your FUCKING EYES whats wrong with you.im five LOL?your the moron that thinks fire makes buildings collapse ffs.believe me ive been LMFAO AT YOU FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW!!!
@mphasis1983 "the steel falls away but disapears from the top before it has a chance to go down?" More jokes from the idiot. It fails at its base you DOPE, pulling the top down as witnessed by those with a BRAIN!. Ever hear of gravity MORON? "your the moron that thinks fire makes buildings collapse ffs." No, since its not TRUE I dont think that. Shown you that FF is BS, and it was never JUST fire either. Way to not get it! AGAIN! THATS IT WE ARE DONE! BYE BYE! YOU MORON OF COLOSSAL PROPORTION!
@LHOdidntdoit i have already confirmed that i think it turns to dust lol.so what do you think its doin then?whats with the stupid questions about fires lol?your just making your self look stupid asking questions about if i know the difference,how could you think anyone wouldnt know lol.
why the delay?HAHA!!! some of us dont spend all day on 9-11 videos.
@mphasis1983 No dopey! Let's just stick to the subject at hand. NAMELY: Your utter lack of ability to see that the spire never "turned to dust" as you asserted, repeatedly, like the MORON you clearly are! That is the STUPIDEST claim I have EVER read, and now you try to change the subject to deflect from the FACT you are a bona-fide simpleton DOPE! Get Lost you piece of GARBAGE. You have been exposed. An idiot so basic as to not be believed. You have been..........deleted.
@LHOdidntdoit of course i mean the spire what else could i mean,its steel.just cause people call it a spire you forget what its made of lol.so im dumb for watching video evidence that steel turned to dust but you morons believe a passport can survive a massive explosion plus the fire it was left in and then survive the collapse when everything else was pulverized?yes im 1 of the dumbest humans on the planet for sure lol.MAGIC PASSPORTS!!!!!!
@mphasis1983 Hi, This guy LHOdidntdoit is just another disinformation pushing shill. He's on these "9/11 debunked" video pages 7 days a week spreading disinformation about the events of 9/11/01. He's claimed to have "35 yrs exp in building design", thus making him yet another youtube expert in a matter relevant to 9/11. He is, of course, 100% full of shit.
@mrh785 9/11 conspiracy theoires are often full of shill. Going around spreading lies and trying to discredit people who disagree with them. Also they keep trying to use vidoes that dont really proove anything. And spreading disinformation like the planes were miliatry jets, and that they were remote controlled, and that 4000 Jews were told to stay away from the The World Trade Centre.
I don't have anything against "jews" & It's known that false truth seekers (shills) have uploaded bogus videos as "evidence", attempting to discredit the truth movement by painting them as liars. Did they fool you?
Innocent people don't have to destroy evidence before an investigation takes place!
@mrh785 For your information I once believd the 9/11 truth movement. But after looking deeper into there throies and their ideoldgy they turned out to be full of shill. Some of them say that the people who were aboard Flight 93 were in on The Conspiracy and that the passengers aboard Flight 77 never existed and that the people who saw it hit the Pentigon were lying. This isnt coming from 9/11 debunkers. This is coming from 9/11 Truthers. Not as honest as they claim to be are they.
@TheShadowWarrior110 just because a truther says something you dont have to believe it,your tarring all truthers with the same brush.alot of the truther theories are far fetched this is why people with questions get lauged at.if you think something is wrong that is your right,dont stop questioning things just because you dont agree with everything.
@mphasis1983 I menat I used to believe the 9/11 Conspiracy Theoirts. I found their evidence quite convincing at first. But after doing further research it didnt add up to the facts. Also many of these 9/11 truthers have shown to notjing but haters. But that doesnt mean I still dont ask questions.
@TheShadowWarrior110 i understood that you used to believe the theoists and dont anymore but dont you think alot might be posing as truthers making them look in a bad light?
@TheShadowWarrior110 That's interesting, I once believed the official explanation of the events on 9/11. After I dug a little deeper I realized it was an absurd lie. In addition, I realized there was a major disinformation campaign going on.
I can't understand how I ever thought "19 terrorists with box cutters" could've pulled that off. It seems so unrealistic now.
@mrh785 Well I cant understand why people think that no planes were hi jakced and that the towers were hit by military jets and that The Pentigon was hit by a missile and that Flight 93 was shot down. Because non of those throies match the event and they dont add up to the facts that have been given.
Also why is it so hard to believe that 19 loonatics were able to pull like that off. Yes it does seem unrealistic but that is because somthing like this rarely happens.
@mrh785 hi,thanks for the video ive noticed alot of the stuff in it going on alot,like words being put in my mouth and being disrespectful to the dead ffs.
@LHOdidntdoit Once again, you are just seeing and reading what you want to read. You said you have "35 yrs experience in skyscraper business." which I find INCREDIBLY hard to believe since you talk and attack people like you are in high school, or early to mid 20's at best. Are you telling me to believe you are AT LEAST 53 years old?!? You are lying. You claimed that as a FACT. That makes you a liar. So why should I believe anything else you say?
@bannana77 Actually Ill be 55 in less than 2 weeks if you must know.
The way I write to idiots has to be "dumbed down", and STILL they and/or you simply do not understand a thing when it comes to the 1000 percent absurd CD at the WTC BS.
Simply believing that CD was even needed makes you and yours a special kind of ignorant fool.
@LHOdidntdoit Still won't answer my question. Still don't believe you're 55. Mainly because you do not write or think in a rational manor. When you have to write phrases like "1000 percent" and throw out every insult you can think of to attempt to prove your point, it showing to me that you are not thinking reasonably or rationally, so why should I take anything you say seriously.
You still won't answer my question. You've had plenty of time to think about it. Come on...
The Gov't thing was because thats the prevailing theory HERE.
Now its THREE times answering you.
ALSO!!
IF Al Qaeda planted bombs in ADDITION to planes I would think, "Wow thats ballsy and really fucking STUPID all at the same time, cause why would you RISK being detected RIGGING THE BLDGS FOR DEMO when you have planes coming in?"
If you cant PROCESS THOSE ANSWERS then WTF do you WANT?
Added to which I dont give a SHIT if you believe how old I am!
@LHOdidntdoit Okay, thanks for answer. Follow up question: Why would you automatically go with the "prevailing theory" (that you indicated was our US Government) as opposed to a different explanation or a different group of people? (And you've already explained why you don't think it was al Qaeda so you don't need to go there). Remember, you said it "almost certainly" had to be the US government IF it was a controlled demolition. I'm trying to understand why you think that.
@LHOdidntdoit and the reason I said that "you do not write or think in a rational manor" is because you are being very disrespectful and juvenile in your responses to people. And to me that seems like irrational behavior for a 55 year old man, as you state you are. Which, in turn, causes me to believe that you not 55 years old, but, in fact, much younger.
@LHOdidntdoit "manner". You're right, my mistake. I'm not claiming to be a word smith, though. Anyways, essentially what I am getting at here is that are a lot of us that find the claims of the 911 commission hard to swallow, but don't think that it was the government that did it. Yet it seems that people who fight for either side seem to say either the government's explanation was completely correct and we should believe every aspect of their investigation, or that their entire findings were
@bannana77 I take the 911 comm right out of the equation and study the events that clearly happened, none of which can be described in any way, (except to those who simply cant grasp it), as controlled or uncontrolled demo for that matter.
Fuck the govt or its explanation of same, the FACT the buildings were felled by the planes plus the fires is indisputable, all of the BS here notwithstanding.
In other words, I dont defend any "official story", I TALK to those in the know, CD is ABSURD.
@LHOdidntdoit But no other steel structures in history have fallen due to planes or fire. Even when Japanese kamikaze pilots were flying (having their planes loaded with bombs and missiles) into buildings none of those buildings crumbled completely to the ground. The only 3 buildings in all history that fell due to plane or fire damage happened on the same day, in the same place. Does that not seem a little suspicious to you?
@bannana77 It was BOTH. Not one or the other would have sufficed.
The fact the towers relied on their outside walls for almost HALF of their vert support was the weakness the terrorists exploited, very well I might add.
When were Japs flying into bldgs by the way?
They SUNK ships by flying into them, but the planes were ridiculously SMALL vs the 911 planes.
So no, given the beating the bldgs took, I'm not surprised. Neither is the structural engg community in general, only AMATEURS are!
@LHOdidntdoit Wikipedia says they flew into buildings and ships. More than 2000 of those attacks were made. I can't vouch for the record taken in 1944-45, but no claims were made that entire buildings were destroyed, just chunks. And these planes were equipped with bombs and missiles. What about the 1945 Empire State Building crash? That fire burned for 14 hours, but the building stands to this day? You don't find it suspicious that this happened to 3 buildings on the same day in the same place?
@bannana77 Well you learn something new every day.
Still the kinetic energy involved is a mere fraction of the 911 planes.
The ESB crash had less than ONE PERCENT the KE involved on 911.
Size actually MATTERS HERE!
SO! In conclusion!
No I DO NOT find it suspicious given the ATTACKS that took place that day in the same place and NO structural engrs i have spoken with have a problem with it, yet YOU do.
What do you do for a living anyway?
Like I said, only those who dont understand dont get it!
@LHOdidntdoit I don't know much about structures and the physics involved (sit in an office all day). But I do understand the scientific method, and with the lack of examples to support claims, I cannot say with any confidence that the claims made in this video are correct.
And Mitsuo Ohta did order planes for the Japanese be equipped as dive bombers. They designed their planes to be, essentially, human-guided missiles. So there were definitely planes that had bombs on board during impact.
@bannana77 Im sure there bombs on the kamikaze flights, at first.
But by the end they literally had no more bombs to arm the planes with, so they sacrifice themselves and the planes.
Stupid tactic, just like Hitler commanding the Germans fight to the last man.
Anyway, I dont know where you expect to see skyscrapers attacked by 767's as examples, but the observable events depicted in THIS vid, the gradual inward bowing of the ext walls etc, are close to the FACTS. No CD traits present at all.
@LHOdidntdoit Well, yeah, the video shows bowing and I get that. But everything else is computer generated. Not observable supporting evidence. But to collapse at free-fall speeds? Scientific inquiry is supposed be as objective as possible, to reduce biased interpretations of results. Too much of the evidence was destroyed right away that neither side in this argument can properly use evidences or examples to property execute the scientific method. Both sides have theories, based on their
@LHOdidntdoit see that's what I have a problem with: "you're faltering miserably" - ridicule and name-calling. Are you trying to anger me or trying to cause me to see your POV? Because I guarantee that tactic puts people on the defensive rather than opens them up to your POV.
And I didn't talk about the material disposed of in the weeks to follow, I'm talking about material that was vaporized and turned to powder and ash from the collapse, but since you brought it up,can you confirm that? Link?
@LHOdidntdoit Office materials, carpets, yes, concrete, anything that could have contributed the fire within the building, because ultimately it was the fire that warped the steel that made the entire building suddenly crumble underneath the top 15 floors. Am I right? I'm assuming that when concrete falls it's pretty heavy. Does that have no effect on the structural elements that it crashes into?
@LHOdidntdoit Also, you say you are "in the const biz in NYC involving skyscrapers". What exactly do you do? Are you in demolition? Do you have a physics degree?
@bannana77 Look bruh.. You can argue with these people all day and it won't make a difference. You can show them that it's impossible for an entire building 7 to fall symmetrically the way it did without the support beams all collapsing simultaneously across the length of the building and it still won't matter. Notice that there are no reasonable simulations out there to show you how building 7 collapsed, why? Type in "compiled footage of building 7 collapsing" and look at it from all angles.
@LHOdidntdoit The building was still basically level across the top and sides you can't convince me or anyone else with eyes that it wasn't. The building didn't tip over fall to one side it fell straight down and there are many angles of the collapse on youtube. Let me ask you this...Why are 1500 architects and engineers convinced that there was something wrong with the way the building collapsed? Are they idiots that should be stripped of there credentials?
@LHOdidntdoit Look at the way building 7 fell it fell as if someone removed one of the floors below. It didn't gradually fall pieces at a time the whole building collapsed straight down with the top of it remaining somewhat even across the length of the building.
@Ramel34 "It didn't gradually fall pieces at a time the whole building collapsed straight down..."
Actually, the collapse started with one component and then progressed to others. Falling straight down is of no consequence to the collapse. And it actually inflicted more than a billion in damage to a neighboring building.
@MrSkunkwork100 Building 7 came down symmetrically straight down that's the whole basis for the truth movement. The damage your talking about is the buildings that were hit by a plane and good thing you brought that up. If you look at the surrounding closer buildings you will see that they are heavily damaged, however none collapsed although they were hit by way more debris then the further building 7, why?
@Ramel34 "Building 7 came down symmetrically straight down that's the whole basis for the truth movement."
Well, no wonder it died out. "The damage your talking about is the buildings that were hit by a plane"
WTC 7 was hit by debris from the collapse of the North Tower. The debris is what triggered the fires in WTC 7, which caused failures of its subsystems, which led to collapse.
"...however none collapsed..."
They also didn't have the same architecture as WTC 7; they had fewer floors.
@bannana77 " I cannot say with any confidence that the claims made in this video are correct."
Thats right, whereas my more than three decades in the const biz in NYC involving skyscrapers etc gives me the confidence and experience to NOW there was nothing, other than the planes in combination with the fires, that ultimately killed the WTC.
If there was CD present it would be SO obvious. Youd hear it and SEE it, ALL demos show blasts that DIRECTLY get the bldgs moving.
@LHOdidntdoit Also, you did NOT answer my question and you continually tell me you did. So, if you did, please quote the post where you answered the question. Here is the question again so people can be up to speed and so you can remember: IF it was a controlled demolition then why did it "almost certainly" have to be the US government that did it?
@LHOdidntdoit No no, I think you misunderstood my question. I'm not asking why you think it was not a controlled demolition, I'm asking if it WAS a controlled demolition, why would you have a problem with that?
@LHOdidntdoit *sigh* Okay, well let me try to ask it a different way, then: What would it mean to you IF the buildings had been rigged with explosives and it was more than just two planes that took down the WTC buildings 1 and 2? What conclusions might you draw from that?
If the steel lost 50% of its strength, it wouldnt "bow" or fall into itself. THATS MELTING
gotfire3 5 hours ago
@gotfire3 Steel doesn't have to melt (turn into liquid) to bend and be malleable. Blacksmiths hammer steel into shape when it is soft and malleable, but not melted.
masterhalco 5 hours ago
@gotfire3 No, it's not, melting is when metal becomes liquid. Heating up and bending isn't melting, it's warping.
Laughingblades 2 hours ago
i heard steel beams breaking and some steel perimiter or core columns hitting the ground during footage of WTC1's collapse reply if anyone else did :"(
Xboxfanatic1999 1 day ago
I love the shot at the end, it looks so much like an ad for the 'future' of America.
If the building sagged before it collapsed then that's because it was meant to do so. It was a controlled demolition, like a fireworks show thrown by the pentagon, using it's billion dollar budget to really put on a show with remote controlled plane missiles and exploding pentagon, collapsing buildings - even more than were hit by planes! It was a masterpiece of terrorism! Gold medal goes to.................
prescientbeing 1 day ago
@prescientbeing Another blithering idiot weighs in!
LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
@LHOdidntdoit still here then lol
mphasis1983 1 day ago
@prescientbeing
No moron, truss constuction will always sag 1st before the final collapse. Its a warning sign.
miyan12 1 day ago
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@miyan12
"No moron, truss constuction will always sag 1st before the final collapse. Its a warning sign. "
warning of what, that YOUR an IDIOT!!!
there is NO LOAD bearing on the trusses, it's the vertical support that MUST fail before the structure is compromised...and there is NO EVIDENCE of that occurring in the towers from the FIRES PRESENT to the support to ALLOW collapse to occur.
"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 p.95,101,132
hgfbob 18 hours ago
@LHOdidntdoit so im the only one to say it lol?thats funny.so what am i trying to change the subject to you retard?i havent changed the subject at all why would i?exposed lol,you can see before your eyes that it does what i say it does and because of that you cant take it lol.INSIDE JOB!!!!
seems to me i cant reply to your comments anymore lol.is the truth hard to swallow?
mphasis1983 1 day ago
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@mphasis1983 "is the truth hard to swallow?"
What "Truth" would that be?
That you think the spire turned to dust INSTEAD OF leaving the dust hanging suspended in the air AS IT ACTUALLY DID?
Yeah, that IS THE Truth, you fucking DOPE!
LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
And we all know due to racism and western arrogance that the terrorists were a bunch of uneducated cave men anyway, how could ARABS possibly take advantage of the fact that cockpits weren't even closed and that non-metallic weapons hidden on persons were not screened for, or the assumption that anyone who hijacked a plane would need to land it, no ARAB could be that sophisticated, besides they had no reason to attack the corporations that destroyed their homeland.
FALSE FAG ATTACK!
Laughingblades 2 days ago
@Laughingblades You are the one promoting lies. Espeacilly if you think those hi jackers were cavemen, Also its kinda funny how you think all Arabs are primitive uneducated people. If you did research you would no that those hi jackers went to collegem, they gained US citizenship and took flying lessons, and that they carried out their attacks in the name of their religion. Also you'd be suprised at all the evidence that debunks all your faulse flag rubbish.
TheShadowWarrior110 2 days ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 LOL Wut? You mean Arabs don't live in caves? FOX NEWS LIED TO ME!
Laughingblades 2 days ago
@Laughingblades Your comment shows just how cloesd minded you are. Also since when does Fox News say that Arabs live in caves. Do you think all Arabs live in deserts, Saudi Arabia has big cities too unknow. Also Al Qeada orginazations like it use caves as bases and hiding places. That doesnt mean that they live in them like Cavemen. You need to look at things properlly.
TheShadowWarrior110 2 days ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 WUT? You mean FOX News didn't try to create the impression that Arabs are primitive terrorists who live in sand and caves? I learned 3 things from watching Bill O'Reilly and whoever that other guy was who's name I forget.
1: All Arabs are terrorists, and Muslim Radicals who rape children
2: They hate us for our freedom, and have no legitimate grievances
3: They all live in caves plotting how to destroy our freedom with Anthrax
Laughingblades 1 day ago
@Laughingblades You seem more like a racist than a Conspiracy Theorist. Also Fox News is not always right. It would seem you havent learned anything. Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries do have alot of Terrorists and Radiclas but not all of them are like that.
TheShadowWarrior110 1 day ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 How could I possibly be racist? By American Standards I'm black and black people can't be racist.
And srsly? Do you mean to tell me the Main Stream Media was presenting an image of Arabs that wasn't entirely accurate?
Laughingblades 1 day ago
@Laughingblades Yes. The Media is not always accurate. And it doesnt make no diffirece wether you are balck or not. You are a black american and you are making bad remarks about Arabs. Arabs and Americans are a diffirent culture.
TheShadowWarrior110 14 hours ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 But by American standards, being black means I can't possibly be racist, and since the American standard for black is anyone with dark skin, I'm black, so therefore by American standards, I can't possibly be a racist. See how it works? Now what do you mean the media isn't accurate? Next thing you'll tell me is that right winged radio lies, and how could you possibly say that? I mean have you ever listened to Ghost on True Capitalist Radio?
Laughingblades 13 hours ago
@Laughingblades Just because American standards says it that doesnt mean its true. Racist means to degrade another race. Which exactly what you are doing. You are trying to make it sound like all Arabs are primitive and radical terrorists. Also dont try and tell me that black people have never been racist towards white people. Stop trying to twist my words. Also not everything on the media is accurate. It means that meida isnt always right. Get a brain will you
TheShadowWarrior110 13 hours ago
@Laughingblades your an idiot
gotfire3 5 hours ago
@gotfire3 Because you said so.
Laughingblades 2 hours ago
Heat does not make metal expand this is stupid next thing you'll tell me is that terrorist had a motive to attack the WTC or that Building 7 was damaged by collapsing rubble and later demolished in a controlled demolition, or that the molten 'steel' was actually molten aluminum, and we all know that's not possible because Alex Jones.
Laughingblades 2 days ago
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I am glad 9/11 happened. The US deserved it. I feel sorry for the innocent people who died on that day, but the country as a whole needed it. Of course, it was just another excuse to invade the Middle-east and slaughter innocent people for their oil. The US is truly a terrible place. I wish we never colonized it.
MyFaceBurns 3 days ago
What about WTC 7? :/
Stianglarsen 3 days ago
watch?v=tAkWNxhBWjs
An interesting video
mrh785 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Hey sir (or ma'am), I have enjoyed this conversation but my wife has pointed out that I am not using my time effectively (which is a New Year's resolution of mine) by spending time on internet chat/message forums, which I agree. So we disagree on the cause of the collapse, but we both agree it's foolish to think our government would have caused it to happen. Good luck to you.
bannana77 4 days ago
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This is one of the more absurd disinformation videos I've seen from Mr. Owens.
Once again, if ya take away the 9/11 physics/disinformation what ya basically have is ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE ME OR YOUR LYING EYES.
Must be hard trying to defend an absurd lie. Nice way to respect the dead.
mrh785 4 days ago
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mrh785 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit interpretation of facts, and in a lot of cases, theories based on theories.
So with that said, does anyone want to donate a billion dollars to build an exact replica and crash a 767 into it? Do I see any hands raised to volunteer? (Ha ha)
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Building a billion dollar replica?
Useless!
There are no CD traits exhibited on 911, PERIOD.
REAL STRUCTURAL engrs LAUGH at this CD horseshit cause they RECOGNIZE it as just that HORSESHIT!
I HAVE LAUGHED WITH THEM! MANY TIMES!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
sorry, I got distracted by work before I could connect my two previous posts next to eachother
bannana77 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit entirely false and that the government set it up to gain control over us. I don't find either one of there explanations to be very rational, and there are a lot like me out there. Why do we have to be lumped into one of these two extremist groups? Why couldn't the government have been wrong, and if they were wrong, why do they have to be the one's to blame? I just can't limit myself to two extremes.
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 I prefer to limit myself to REALITY.
The planes and the ensuing fires killed the WTC, nothing more.
To think CD was even needed, is just plain ABSURD.
Period.
CD to assist the collapses simply NEVER HAPPENED on behalf of ANYONE.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
Everyone please learn this stuff: Thermites and Themates are NOT explosives.
You don't get the enormous bang with massive fire balls in all directions. It's subtle in comparison and SUPER hot, slicing through steel like a knife through butter.
These devices were obviously planted by pro teams at night and/or on the weekends over a long period. It's so glaringly obvious now . . . albeit too late.
LightEternal222 4 days ago
I HATE it when people proudly spout the word 'debunk' so confidently like they've one-uped everyone else or noticed something nobody else did, or know something nobody else knows.
You haven't DEBUNKED squat!
Your data is inaccurate
Your numbers are conveneintly in degrees F
They should be in degrees C
Nice try.
LightEternal222 4 days ago
@LightEternal222 "Your numbers are conveneintly in degrees F
They should be in degrees C"
If theyre accurate why does it make any difference, cause youre Canadian?
These are American fires there shit wit. Too funny.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
In any case, WTC7 tells all. When you watch that building free-fall symmetrically into it footprint after zero airplane impacts and just a few tiny sporadic fires here and there and you STILL trust the governments and agencies who are running your lives for you . . . . then you're all as thick as S**T and you ALL deserve what you get.
LightEternal222 4 days ago
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@LightEternal222 "When you watch that building free-fall symmetrically into it footprint after zero airplane impacts and just a few tiny sporadic fires"
Flies directly in the face of the testimony of those who were there.
Namely FDNY.
Everything you wrote is false. Except the fact no plane hit it, but planes aren't the only things capable of inflicting structural damage now are they?
ALSO, 2.5 secs of free fall does not eq overall freefall. Its a non issue, the real issue is WHY it failed.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
Guys, listen, my best friend is a 747 AND a 777 Captain. Jet fuel simply does not burn anywhere near the temperature to even weaken or soften STRUCTURAL steel and neither does anything else in those buildings. If jet fuel did, it would therefore burn hot enough to weaken, damage or even melt the AIRPLANE engines it's designed to burn inside of you idiots!!!!
LightEternal222 4 days ago
@LightEternal222 "If jet fuel did (burn hot enough to weaken/soften structural steel), it would therefore burn hot enough to weaken, damage or even melt the AIRPLANE engines it's designed to burn inside of you idiots!!!!"
Fuel burns in your average commercial jet engine at about 2000 degrees Celsius, or around 3600 degrees Fahrenheit. Before you attempt to call other people idiots- I strongly suggest you educate yourself first.
SidewaysGts 4 days ago
@SidewaysGts
"Fuel burns in your average commercial jet engine at about 2000 degrees Celsius, or around 3600 degrees Fahrenheit"
under pressurized optimum conditions......but NOT in an unpressurized open air environment, then it is just diesel, a hydrocarbon, the same as office products and furniture....and will not/DID NOT fail the remaining 240 intact fireproofed vertical support remaining on each towers impact floor.
hgfbob 4 days ago
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@hgfbob writes for the 1,000 time as pointlesslt as the 1st time he posted it: "and will not/DID NOT fail the remaining 240 intact fireproofed vertical support remaining on each towers impact floor."
No one claims it did Hbooob.
NO ONE!
Yet you do it 1,000 times?
Why are you arguing against claims that dont even exist?
1,000 times no less!!!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
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@LightEternal222 "Jet fuel simply does not burn anywhere near the temperature to even weaken or soften STRUCTURAL steel "
No ones claiming it did so WTF are you on about?
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
EVERYONE here please stop over analyzing and talking crap and simply accept the fact that the smaller top section of both of these towers simply cannot drop at free-fall speed, straight down and punch its way through the remaining and substantially larger section of the building below it and reduce all of the MASSIVE steel core columns and ENORMOUS concrete floors to nothing but dust and then somehow destroy itself too. It is physically impossible without question.
LightEternal222 4 days ago
@LightEternal222 "It (the destruction of how the tower happened) is physically impossible without question"
Apologies- But I AM going to question it. Why do you assert this? Do you simply "think" this is so, or do you have something more substantial? Ie education in the fields of science at hand, or verifiable sources to support your claims? If you do have sources- Can you please enlighten us to them? Apologies- Im merely curious to HOW you got your conclusions.
SidewaysGts 4 days ago
@SidewaysGts
'Why do you assert this?"
because it's true...Natural collapses are Chaotic events. You CANNOT have symmetry from chaos. For any building to fall symmetrically all supporting columns would have to fail simultaneously, otherwise undamaged columns would create resistance in the collapse and would cause the building to either stop collapsing, or fall to the path of least resistance causing a non-symmetrical collapse.
hgfbob 4 days ago
@SidewaysGts
'verifiable sources to support your claims?'
as in the case of WTC7...The key is the 2.3 second interval of collapse in which the rate of fall was "Indistinguishable from FREEFALL". The signifigance of FREEFALL is that NONE of the gravitational potential energy was available to destroy the supporting structures, since it was ALL converted to MOTION!
Where is the delay that MUST be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational Laws of Physics?
hgfbob 4 days ago
@SidewaysGts
'fields of science"
Simple fact: if any of the building's potential energy went to destroying itself, it would have lost kinetic energy which requires that the building slow in its fall, since WTC7 DID fall at free-fall, it wasn't causing itself to collapse.
When it comes to a building collapse the resistance should be MASSIVE, so a few seconds less than free-fall speed, [BOTH tower collapses], does not equate to resistance in the system that should have been there.
hgfbob 4 days ago
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SidewaysGts 3 days ago
@hgfbob My posts were getting long winded- Removed them just to snip it down. In the end im not really interested in "your" conclusions. I am a skeptic by nature- Im not interesting in stating what did, or DIDNT happen- I merely want your sources with verifiable information that drew you to your conclusions. Something more than someone going "I THINK this shouldve happened..", and preferably from someone with related credit on the matter. Do you have any such sources? Or just "I think"
SidewaysGts 3 days ago
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@SidewaysGts
"In the end im not really interested in "your" conclusions.'
lol."MY conclusions"?
I merely want your sources with verifiable information"
all my quotes came from the ONLY ones charged by Congress to investigation HOW and WHY 3 buildings fell on 9-11....NIST
the rest is BASIC physics FUNDAMENTALS you can look up in ANY physics book.
"Or just "I think'
and where have I posted that....NO WHERE!
so...where does your problem lie?
hgfbob 3 days ago
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@LightEternal222 " simply accept the fact that the smaller top section of both of these towers simply cannot drop at free-fall speed, straight down and punch its way through the remaining and substantially larger section of the building below it"
They didnt drop at FF so TRY AGAIN!
Plus you exhibit no knowledge of vertical dynamic loads at alL.
You are CLUELESS. Not to mention FALSE.
The concrete floors dont even enter into it as they were notvVERTICAL support at all..
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LightEternal222 in ref to the collapses writes "It is physically impossible without question."
Gee whiz, did you SEE the collapses or not?
Why do civil and structural engrs LAUGH at types like you?
Ive talked to roughly a dozen, and they ALL have no problem with the physics exhibited.
Only ones who dont are rank amateurs like yourself.
I LOVE when clowns like you just insist the readily and provably possible is impossible.
No real REASON, just your insistence.
LOVE IT!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
YES . . . . . impossible!! As in not even a shadow of a doubt.
You can run million tests, fly a trillion planes into a trillion buildings and it will NEVER happen.
LightEternal222 4 days ago
What happened on 9/11 is not just suspicious . . . . . . it's defies all physical law and CANNOT happen the way you scared little disbelieving sheep think it did.
End of argument. There simply is NO argument.
So stop arguing and WAKE UP!!!
A bunch of guys who live in caves did NOT do this. Y
LightEternal222 4 days ago
@LightEternal222 " it's defies all physical law and CANNOT happen the way you scared little disbelieving sheep think it did."
Why so ignorant?
Ever speak to an actual structural engr about ANY OF THIS?
I SUGGEST YOU BONE UP!
Also learn the meaning of IMPOSSIBLE. I dont think you have any grasp of it.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
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@LightEternal222 "A bunch of guys who live in caves did NOT do this. "
You finally got something right!
The mostly Saudi National group of hijackers lived here, among us. For a while, so why raise caves as a place of residence at all?
You watch too much TV, or read too many spy vs spy novels or something.
Pa-Thet-Ic!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
You have a domestic enemy embedded into your society and they are the ones who planned and executed this atrocity.
"don't be crazy, why would some government agency kill it's own people?" I hear you pathetically ask . . yet AGAIN! Ummmmmm let me think . . . . ummmm . . . to force an agenda perhaps!! To steer the world in the direction they choose! To make heaps of money at your expense. And you're all pathetic enough to let it happen. Thanks a lot America!!
LightEternal222 4 days ago
The bastards behind this DO NOT care about you. It does't matter if you're American or from anywhere else in the world. You're NOTHING to these people. They think you're all stupid, and you know what? . . . . . They're right! It doesn't matter who you vote for. They will do as they please because they know you can neither prove anything or stop them.
You may as well throw your precious constitution out the window because they already have!
LightEternal222 4 days ago
You're as unimportant and insignificant to these perpetrators as anyone in a foreign country they drop a smart bomb on. They don't Know the people who died inside those buildings any more than they know a single living soul who has died in Iraq or Afghanistan, because
LightEternal222 4 days ago
It's not THEIR sons and daughters who have been sent off to another country to be shot or blown to pieces . . . . it's YOURS!! So why would they care? Their loved ones are safe! And to these evil, crazy people . . that's all that matters to them. So they'll play their sick game of global chess and use us poor folk as the pieces and use the world as their own personal piggy bank while they're at it.
I laugh at anyone who believes the contrary.
LightEternal222 4 days ago
/watch?v=rLFmkGseZ-8&feature=related
watch from 2:20 for all the flashes with some many floors away from the failing area.this is what brought the buildings down not the horseshit weakened steel theory.
mphasis1983 5 days ago
@mphasis1983 watch?v=rLFmkGseZ-8
Way to not recognize what youre seeing!
If you had any of those that CAUSED the bldg to move, then youd actually have what is known as a POINT.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit how is this video not a POINT lol?you can see flashes,now what could they be if not explosives?
mphasis1983 4 days ago
@mphasis1983 Well, since thta angle is the only one that produces those visual effects, I'd say it has to do with banks of windows breaking and reflecting/refracting in the sun.
Besides, Im looking for blasts that cause the bldgs to move in the 1st place.
Where are they?
your light flashes are caused by the buildings movement, big difference.
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit i dont know where explosives had moved the building but what i do know is a building could not collapse down into itself destroying all the floors below it without any help.its just silly to think that that could happen and in 10 secs aswell lol,that really is strange.
mphasis1983 3 days ago
@mphasis1983 Yes of course it would destroy itself and did as witnessed, besides, demo engrs use the buildings own weight ALL THE TIME.
In point of FACT.
Its been mathematically and categorically proven that any more than 8 floors being suddenly dropped onto the rest does the job. So 15 and 30, no problem.
Where are you getting this 10 sec crap from anyway?
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit it would be impossible for a start for those piss ant fires to weaken the steel and impossible again for the building to collapse down into most resistance destroying the floors below,its crazy that people think this would happen.of course we witnessed it collapse but it didnt destroy itself it was helped.the 10 secs crap is how long these buildings took to disappear lol,how could you not know what im on about?
mphasis1983 3 days ago
@mphasis1983 Yes, now I'm sure of it.
You have no clue what impossible means.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Piss ant fires?
Really?
Emitting a 15 mile smoke trail, REALLY?
10 secs is how long it took for the 1st debris to reach the ground.
19-21 secs for complete collapse.
Got any facts?
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit so i dont know what impossible means lol but i just stated that 15 floors could not crush 95 without the floors below being weakened,physics is how its impossible.how can there be enough energy to carry on the collapse without help?its laughable.yes piss ant fires!!the fires were not infernos nowhere near,and what does a smoke trail have to do with it lol?its the fire thats the problem and there isnt a big fire to look at.10 secs is full collapse,where u get 19-21?
mphasis1983 3 days ago
@mphasis1983 maybe you cant read.
Any more then 8 floors dropped on the rest and its over.
Ask ANY structural engr.
Ive asked 10, ALL agree.
Not SOME, ALL!
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit correction:
"Any more THAN 8 floors........."
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit What time ( IF ever ) did said N644AA fly INTO the dulles airport ?
asicit2b 3 days ago
@asicit2b What?
I dont know.
Dont know what youre asking that is.
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit "8 floors and its over"so why do demolition companys waste all the time and money rigging buildings with explosives when they can just start a fire and let gravity do the rest with 8 floors lol?even if your theory is correct it would take much longer because of resistance and there would be evidence of collapse at the bottom which the towers didnt have,everything was pulverized apart from certain bits of steel.no pancake evidence or massive rubble pile compared to the towers.
mphasis1983 3 days ago
@mphasis1983 " why do demolition companys waste all the time and money rigging buildings with explosives when they can just start a fire "
you say that as if the CAUSE of the fires was nothing.
I think you left something out, care to correct your horseshit?
And, if 8 floors can do it, 15 and 30 is no problem, as witnessed.
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit fire is what caused collapse is it not?or is it now planes?
as witnessed lol,where did we witness 15-30 floors destroy the buildings in 10 secs?i never witnessed that,and nor did other people who dont follow the herd.i suggest you watch this vid from 3 mins and tell me how that steel turns to dust.
watch?v=MItLEIBOzYU
im not sure steel turns to dust lol unless something is making it do so,zero point energy maybe.
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 nope it was fire and the planes
Not one or the other.
As a matter of fact you couldnt have the fires w/o the planes.
Which took out structure setting up the weakest link scenarios that played out till failure. The cause of the fires actually mattered as well. Surely youre not saying that normal office fires are the same as those caused by plane strikes.
Get REAL.
What is this steel turning to dust BS anyway?
As for your 10 secs, AGAIN, THAT WAS THE TIME FOR THE 1ST DEBRIS TO HIT.
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit no it wasnt fire lol and yes the planes would have weakened areas but it wouldnt collapse the way it did,its just insane to look at the events and not see unnatural occurrences.a fire is a fire,tell me what was so special about this fire compared to a normal office fire?let me guess the jet fuel which burnt off straight away lol.the dust is where i said.as for your 10 secs,wtf thousands of vids with 10 sec collapses and you add another 10 secs to the time.1st debris lol
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 see this for your dumb 10 sec collapse times
watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4
So, you think the STEEL spire turned to dust?
Seriously?
Pls confirm thats what you think, I need a good laugh!
Plus you really dont think fires caused by plane hits are any different than an office that starts in a trash basket?
Pls confirm both.
AGAIN, I could sue a good laugh at your expense.
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit whoops a couple of typos but you get the idea
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Why do you promote these lies? you must be a government SHILL, only a SHILL would believe science and debunk claims with evidence.
Laughingblades 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit well done you got me with the time ill go and get your shiny medal.this proves jack about the collapse because it should of taken longer lol and also why wasnt the core left if its just the outter walls falling?also the brilliant 911 commission report even says it took 10 secs ffs,can you see what crap it feeds everyone and people swear by it.i confirm that yes,do you confirm magic passports exist?it doesnt matter how the fire started lol its meaningless there wasnt enough heat.
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983
I didnt say a thing about passports. Magic or otherwise
FOCUS there sparky!
Now, do you think the spire turned to dust or not?
And B, do you think fires that start in a broom closet are the same as planes used as missiles induced fires?
Why the delay?
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit lovin your disinfo tactics here lol.i know you didnt say anything about passports lol you called me dumb for saying the spire turns to dust when there is video evidence of it doin so.so i asked you if you believe in magic passports because the commission report says that a terrorist passport was found in the rubble but everything else was pulverized.what a coincidence it was a terrorist passport and not 1 of the passengers.so do you?
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 "you called me dumb for saying the spire turns to dust when there is video evidence of it doin so"
If you think the steel spire, which was what was left of the core after the main collapse, ACTUALLY TURNED TO DUST, then you are an idiot of biblical proportions.
Let me propose something just slightly more realistic:
The collapse impacted the spire with dust, TOTALLY. The spire, having no structural integrity, simply falls, leaving the previously impregnated dust hanging in the air.
LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
@LHOdidntdoit the spire isnt the core its the outer columns lol.if you think the towers WOULD COLLAPSE THE WAY THEY DID NATURALLY then you are an even bigger idiot of biblical proportions.
so you think its realistic for steel to disapear before it moves down past where we can see it lol?as it comes down the top disapears ffs,how can that seriously be dust coming off it,you ignore evidence with some simple retarded explanation.
mphasis1983 1 day ago
@mphasis1983 Way to go asshole!
The spire was core columns, always was. That is what is known as COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
Thanks AGAIN!
Youre WRONG every fucking time!
The dust is LEFT TO HANG when the steel falls away YOU IDIOT!!
Are you 5 yrs old or something?
Are you being serious?
You are THEE DUMBEST "Truther" Fuckwad here!
LMFAO AT YOU!!
LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
@LHOdidntdoit wrong everytime,where do you get that from you lol?what difference does it make if its the outter columns or the core you loser?does that now mean for certain that there was no inside job lol?the steel falls away but disapears from the top before it has a chance to go down?use your FUCKING EYES whats wrong with you.im five LOL?your the moron that thinks fire makes buildings collapse ffs.believe me ive been LMFAO AT YOU FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW!!!
mphasis1983 1 day ago
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LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
@LHOdidntdoit i have already confirmed that i think it turns to dust lol.so what do you think its doin then?whats with the stupid questions about fires lol?your just making your self look stupid asking questions about if i know the difference,how could you think anyone wouldnt know lol.
why the delay?HAHA!!! some of us dont spend all day on 9-11 videos.
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 "i have already confirmed that i think it turns to dust "
Yes thanks, and I just spelled out how STUPID you are for thinking that.
The passports or lack thereof having nothing to do with the collapses.
I LOVE exposing idiots here for exactly what they are!
IDIOTS!!
LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
@LHOdidntdoit im stupid,really?am i the one who ignores evidence of an inside job?
i didnt say passports had anything to do with the collapses,but what they do have to do with is how much of a fairytale 911 is lol.
who have you exposed as an idiot?only yourself from what i can see by believing in fairytales!!!!!
i suppose you still put money under your pillow for the tooth fairy!!!
mphasis1983 1 day ago
LHOdidntdoit 1 day ago
@mphasis1983 one more thing, if you think the spire turned to dust, then you are among the dumbest humans on the planet.
I think thats what youre saying with this steel turned to dust BS, that the spire turned to dust?
Pls confirm so I can cease dealing with you altogether.
Im going out for about an hour, so you be sure to let me know.
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit of course i mean the spire what else could i mean,its steel.just cause people call it a spire you forget what its made of lol.so im dumb for watching video evidence that steel turned to dust but you morons believe a passport can survive a massive explosion plus the fire it was left in and then survive the collapse when everything else was pulverized?yes im 1 of the dumbest humans on the planet for sure lol.MAGIC PASSPORTS!!!!!!
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 Hi, This guy LHOdidntdoit is just another disinformation pushing shill. He's on these "9/11 debunked" video pages 7 days a week spreading disinformation about the events of 9/11/01. He's claimed to have "35 yrs exp in building design", thus making him yet another youtube expert in a matter relevant to 9/11. He is, of course, 100% full of shit.
watch?v=tvhXmJ_w9ZI
I hope this info is helpful to you
mrh785 2 days ago
@mrh785 9/11 conspiracy theoires are often full of shill. Going around spreading lies and trying to discredit people who disagree with them. Also they keep trying to use vidoes that dont really proove anything. And spreading disinformation like the planes were miliatry jets, and that they were remote controlled, and that 4000 Jews were told to stay away from the The World Trade Centre.
TheShadowWarrior110 2 days ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 I think you're "full of shill". lol.
I don't have anything against "jews" & It's known that false truth seekers (shills) have uploaded bogus videos as "evidence", attempting to discredit the truth movement by painting them as liars. Did they fool you?
Innocent people don't have to destroy evidence before an investigation takes place!
mrh785 2 days ago
@mrh785 For your information I once believd the 9/11 truth movement. But after looking deeper into there throies and their ideoldgy they turned out to be full of shill. Some of them say that the people who were aboard Flight 93 were in on The Conspiracy and that the passengers aboard Flight 77 never existed and that the people who saw it hit the Pentigon were lying. This isnt coming from 9/11 debunkers. This is coming from 9/11 Truthers. Not as honest as they claim to be are they.
TheShadowWarrior110 2 days ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 just because a truther says something you dont have to believe it,your tarring all truthers with the same brush.alot of the truther theories are far fetched this is why people with questions get lauged at.if you think something is wrong that is your right,dont stop questioning things just because you dont agree with everything.
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 I menat I used to believe the 9/11 Conspiracy Theoirts. I found their evidence quite convincing at first. But after doing further research it didnt add up to the facts. Also many of these 9/11 truthers have shown to notjing but haters. But that doesnt mean I still dont ask questions.
TheShadowWarrior110 2 days ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 i understood that you used to believe the theoists and dont anymore but dont you think alot might be posing as truthers making them look in a bad light?
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 watch?v=tAkWNxhBWjs
I came across this a few days ago, ya might enjoy it.
.....and of course 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!
mrh785 2 days ago
@mrh785 lol thats a great vid,i actually checked it out when u posted it the other day.
whether your a brother or whether your a mother 9-11s a lie 9-11s a lie Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 Yea, I got a kick out of it.
mrh785 2 days ago
@TheShadowWarrior110 That's interesting, I once believed the official explanation of the events on 9/11. After I dug a little deeper I realized it was an absurd lie. In addition, I realized there was a major disinformation campaign going on.
I can't understand how I ever thought "19 terrorists with box cutters" could've pulled that off. It seems so unrealistic now.
mrh785 2 days ago
@mrh785 Well I cant understand why people think that no planes were hi jakced and that the towers were hit by military jets and that The Pentigon was hit by a missile and that Flight 93 was shot down. Because non of those throies match the event and they dont add up to the facts that have been given.
Also why is it so hard to believe that 19 loonatics were able to pull like that off. Yes it does seem unrealistic but that is because somthing like this rarely happens.
TheShadowWarrior110 2 days ago
@mrh785 hi,thanks for the video ive noticed alot of the stuff in it going on alot,like words being put in my mouth and being disrespectful to the dead ffs.
mphasis1983 2 days ago
@mphasis1983 glad to help. A friend told me about it. It's been more helpful to me than I thought it would. .
mrh785 2 days ago
Also you say you have "35 yrs experience in skyscraper business."
Really?!? That would make you at least 53 years old and you talk like you're in high school all day long to people on youtube?
This proves to me that you are a liar. Why should anyone take you seriously?
bannana77 5 days ago
@bannana77 They're all experts in at least one matter relevant to 9/11. Just ask them, lol.
watch?v=tvhXmJ_w9ZI
I've found this info to be very useful.
mrh785 5 days ago
@bannana77 So, your opinion of me and not the FACTS I post, make me a liar?
Thanks for confirming youre a BABY.
Besides, I answered your INANE questions yesterday, sorry if your comprehension skills are WANTING.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Once again, you are just seeing and reading what you want to read. You said you have "35 yrs experience in skyscraper business." which I find INCREDIBLY hard to believe since you talk and attack people like you are in high school, or early to mid 20's at best. Are you telling me to believe you are AT LEAST 53 years old?!? You are lying. You claimed that as a FACT. That makes you a liar. So why should I believe anything else you say?
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Actually Ill be 55 in less than 2 weeks if you must know.
The way I write to idiots has to be "dumbed down", and STILL they and/or you simply do not understand a thing when it comes to the 1000 percent absurd CD at the WTC BS.
Simply believing that CD was even needed makes you and yours a special kind of ignorant fool.
The fact you dont SEE that, only confirms it!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Still won't answer my question. Still don't believe you're 55. Mainly because you do not write or think in a rational manor. When you have to write phrases like "1000 percent" and throw out every insult you can think of to attempt to prove your point, it showing to me that you are not thinking reasonably or rationally, so why should I take anything you say seriously.
You still won't answer my question. You've had plenty of time to think about it. Come on...
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Nonsense, I answered your question.
The Gov't thing was because thats the prevailing theory HERE.
Now its THREE times answering you.
ALSO!!
IF Al Qaeda planted bombs in ADDITION to planes I would think, "Wow thats ballsy and really fucking STUPID all at the same time, cause why would you RISK being detected RIGGING THE BLDGS FOR DEMO when you have planes coming in?"
If you cant PROCESS THOSE ANSWERS then WTF do you WANT?
Added to which I dont give a SHIT if you believe how old I am!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Okay, thanks for answer. Follow up question: Why would you automatically go with the "prevailing theory" (that you indicated was our US Government) as opposed to a different explanation or a different group of people? (And you've already explained why you don't think it was al Qaeda so you don't need to go there). Remember, you said it "almost certainly" had to be the US government IF it was a controlled demolition. I'm trying to understand why you think that.
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Cause its the prevailing theory which I FIRST ENCOUNTERED HERE, right on these shit4brains forums, back in 05 or 06, I forget which.
Know what prevailing means?
Fact is I never would have thought of it if I didnt first see "Truthers" on here pushing these "theories".
The reason it prevails is because there are "conspiracy theorists" that think the Govt, or some secret facet of it does ALL of this terrorist shit.
I enjoy exposing the idiocy that tries to pass for fact here, thats ALL.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@bannana77 writes "Mainly because you do not write or think in a rational "manor""
OH the IRONY!!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit and the reason I said that "you do not write or think in a rational manor" is because you are being very disrespectful and juvenile in your responses to people. And to me that seems like irrational behavior for a 55 year old man, as you state you are. Which, in turn, causes me to believe that you not 55 years old, but, in fact, much younger.
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Funny, you dont even see your use of the word "manor" as opposed to CORRECT WORD: "manner".
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit "manner". You're right, my mistake. I'm not claiming to be a word smith, though. Anyways, essentially what I am getting at here is that are a lot of us that find the claims of the 911 commission hard to swallow, but don't think that it was the government that did it. Yet it seems that people who fight for either side seem to say either the government's explanation was completely correct and we should believe every aspect of their investigation, or that their entire findings were
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 I take the 911 comm right out of the equation and study the events that clearly happened, none of which can be described in any way, (except to those who simply cant grasp it), as controlled or uncontrolled demo for that matter.
Fuck the govt or its explanation of same, the FACT the buildings were felled by the planes plus the fires is indisputable, all of the BS here notwithstanding.
In other words, I dont defend any "official story", I TALK to those in the know, CD is ABSURD.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit But no other steel structures in history have fallen due to planes or fire. Even when Japanese kamikaze pilots were flying (having their planes loaded with bombs and missiles) into buildings none of those buildings crumbled completely to the ground. The only 3 buildings in all history that fell due to plane or fire damage happened on the same day, in the same place. Does that not seem a little suspicious to you?
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 It was BOTH. Not one or the other would have sufficed.
The fact the towers relied on their outside walls for almost HALF of their vert support was the weakness the terrorists exploited, very well I might add.
When were Japs flying into bldgs by the way?
They SUNK ships by flying into them, but the planes were ridiculously SMALL vs the 911 planes.
So no, given the beating the bldgs took, I'm not surprised. Neither is the structural engg community in general, only AMATEURS are!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Wikipedia says they flew into buildings and ships. More than 2000 of those attacks were made. I can't vouch for the record taken in 1944-45, but no claims were made that entire buildings were destroyed, just chunks. And these planes were equipped with bombs and missiles. What about the 1945 Empire State Building crash? That fire burned for 14 hours, but the building stands to this day? You don't find it suspicious that this happened to 3 buildings on the same day in the same place?
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Well you learn something new every day.
Still the kinetic energy involved is a mere fraction of the 911 planes.
The ESB crash had less than ONE PERCENT the KE involved on 911.
Size actually MATTERS HERE!
SO! In conclusion!
No I DO NOT find it suspicious given the ATTACKS that took place that day in the same place and NO structural engrs i have spoken with have a problem with it, yet YOU do.
What do you do for a living anyway?
Like I said, only those who dont understand dont get it!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit I don't know much about structures and the physics involved (sit in an office all day). But I do understand the scientific method, and with the lack of examples to support claims, I cannot say with any confidence that the claims made in this video are correct.
And Mitsuo Ohta did order planes for the Japanese be equipped as dive bombers. They designed their planes to be, essentially, human-guided missiles. So there were definitely planes that had bombs on board during impact.
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Im sure there bombs on the kamikaze flights, at first.
But by the end they literally had no more bombs to arm the planes with, so they sacrifice themselves and the planes.
Stupid tactic, just like Hitler commanding the Germans fight to the last man.
Anyway, I dont know where you expect to see skyscrapers attacked by 767's as examples, but the observable events depicted in THIS vid, the gradual inward bowing of the ext walls etc, are close to the FACTS. No CD traits present at all.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Well, yeah, the video shows bowing and I get that. But everything else is computer generated. Not observable supporting evidence. But to collapse at free-fall speeds? Scientific inquiry is supposed be as objective as possible, to reduce biased interpretations of results. Too much of the evidence was destroyed right away that neither side in this argument can properly use evidences or examples to property execute the scientific method. Both sides have theories, based on their
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 So, throw all the CGI out then.
Free fall is not right either. Unless you call dbl free fall, free fall.
Cause thats how long the collapses took.
The speed is exactly right, by definition.
Plus the material wasnt disposed of right away, the 1st two weeks were rescue of humans then the steel was taken to Stat Is where it was poured over.
Youre falling into all the pits of bullshit that "Truthers" do.
And youre faltering miserably.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit see that's what I have a problem with: "you're faltering miserably" - ridicule and name-calling. Are you trying to anger me or trying to cause me to see your POV? Because I guarantee that tactic puts people on the defensive rather than opens them up to your POV.
And I didn't talk about the material disposed of in the weeks to follow, I'm talking about material that was vaporized and turned to powder and ash from the collapse, but since you brought it up,can you confirm that? Link?
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 Well I typed it cause you ARE! Faltering. failing, you pick!
NOW, on another note.
What was vaporized by the collapses that was structural to the buildings?
A little hint
Concrete was not one of those items essential to the structural integrity of the bldgs.
So, please provide a list of STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS that were "vaporized".
You see!?!?
This is what I mean, youre pushing "Truther" falsehoods, like this vaporizing BS, just like clockwork!!
Nothing vaporized that was structural!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Office materials, carpets, yes, concrete, anything that could have contributed the fire within the building, because ultimately it was the fire that warped the steel that made the entire building suddenly crumble underneath the top 15 floors. Am I right? I'm assuming that when concrete falls it's pretty heavy. Does that have no effect on the structural elements that it crashes into?
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 ofc materials etc are not structural elements at all.
Neither is the concrete.
I asked to list structural elements that "vaporized".
None of the things you list answer the question.
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Also, you say you are "in the const biz in NYC involving skyscrapers". What exactly do you do? Are you in demolition? Do you have a physics degree?
bannana77 4 days ago
@bannana77 I do large custom skylight work. Among other things.
No Im not in demo
No I dont have a physics degree.
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@bannana77 Look bruh.. You can argue with these people all day and it won't make a difference. You can show them that it's impossible for an entire building 7 to fall symmetrically the way it did without the support beams all collapsing simultaneously across the length of the building and it still won't matter. Notice that there are no reasonable simulations out there to show you how building 7 collapsed, why? Type in "compiled footage of building 7 collapsing" and look at it from all angles.
Ramel34 3 days ago
@Ramel34 you people throw the word impossible around way too freely.
No ones claiming simultaneous anyway, as it simply wasnt.
The bldg came apart in a distinctly progressive way,
With no signs of a Cd that never took place anyway.
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit The building was still basically level across the top and sides you can't convince me or anyone else with eyes that it wasn't. The building didn't tip over fall to one side it fell straight down and there are many angles of the collapse on youtube. Let me ask you this...Why are 1500 architects and engineers convinced that there was something wrong with the way the building collapsed? Are they idiots that should be stripped of there credentials?
Ramel34 3 days ago
@Ramel34 what do you mean level across the top?
The collapse didnt start at the top.
As for straight down, did you expect it to fall up?
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit Look at the way building 7 fell it fell as if someone removed one of the floors below. It didn't gradually fall pieces at a time the whole building collapsed straight down with the top of it remaining somewhat even across the length of the building.
Ramel34 3 days ago
@Ramel34 "It didn't gradually fall pieces at a time the whole building collapsed straight down..."
Actually, the collapse started with one component and then progressed to others. Falling straight down is of no consequence to the collapse. And it actually inflicted more than a billion in damage to a neighboring building.
MrSkunkwork100 2 days ago
@MrSkunkwork100 Building 7 came down symmetrically straight down that's the whole basis for the truth movement. The damage your talking about is the buildings that were hit by a plane and good thing you brought that up. If you look at the surrounding closer buildings you will see that they are heavily damaged, however none collapsed although they were hit by way more debris then the further building 7, why?
Ramel34 2 days ago
@Ramel34 "Building 7 came down symmetrically straight down that's the whole basis for the truth movement."
Well, no wonder it died out. "The damage your talking about is the buildings that were hit by a plane"
WTC 7 was hit by debris from the collapse of the North Tower. The debris is what triggered the fires in WTC 7, which caused failures of its subsystems, which led to collapse.
"...however none collapsed..."
They also didn't have the same architecture as WTC 7; they had fewer floors.
MrSkunkwork100 2 days ago
@Ramel34 "Building 7 came down symmetrically straight down that's the whole basis for the truth movement"
Well if thats the basis they might as well go home cause its FALSE.
SEE THIS:
watch?v=cm7aGzubz9A
Why does it lean on the way down, then flop top the damaged side there genius?
LHOdidntdoit 2 days ago
@Ramel34 "Are they idiots that should be stripped of there credentials?"
No, just very gullible, besides, all they did was sign a petition, nothing more.
LHOdidntdoit 3 days ago
@bannana77 " I cannot say with any confidence that the claims made in this video are correct."
Thats right, whereas my more than three decades in the const biz in NYC involving skyscrapers etc gives me the confidence and experience to NOW there was nothing, other than the planes in combination with the fires, that ultimately killed the WTC.
If there was CD present it would be SO obvious. Youd hear it and SEE it, ALL demos show blasts that DIRECTLY get the bldgs moving.
9/11 has NONE of that.
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit thta "NOW" was supposed to be KNOW.
Whoops!!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@bannana77 "And these planes were equipped with bombs and missiles"
Actually Kamikaze planes would often spend their ammo first then crash. At the end they crashed cause they had no other ammo!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
@bannana77 Im very young for my age by the way.
Havent you heard?
55 is the new 35!
LHOdidntdoit 4 days ago
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@LHOdidntdoit Also, you did NOT answer my question and you continually tell me you did. So, if you did, please quote the post where you answered the question. Here is the question again so people can be up to speed and so you can remember: IF it was a controlled demolition then why did it "almost certainly" have to be the US government that did it?
bannana77 4 days ago
Good, detailed explanation. Great job!
carlsm95 5 days ago
Rubbish video!!!!
fresh75 6 days ago
Why do you people have a problem with the possibility that this was a controlled demolition? Serious question.
bannana77 6 days ago
@bannana77 Cause there's no REALISTIC evidence of it, that's why.
Its patently ridiculous.
Seems it isnt only to rank amateurs.
LHOdidntdoit 6 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit No no, I think you misunderstood my question. I'm not asking why you think it was not a controlled demolition, I'm asking if it WAS a controlled demolition, why would you have a problem with that?
bannana77 5 days ago
@bannana77 Cause it would mean someone criminally rigged the bldgs assisting with mass murder, as opposed to what actually took place.
Kind of what we call a DUMB question on your part, dontcha think, in retrospect?
LHOdidntdoit 5 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit And why would you have a problem with someone criminally rigging the buildings? And please don't call it dumb. I am asking sincerely.
bannana77 5 days ago
@bannana77 Gee whiz?!?!?! Uhhhh, Duhhhhh......
I dont know, why dont you read the answer I just wrote and try to figure it out.
Word search the words "mass murder" in the answer there genius.
Are you kidding, or what?
Unless you have no problem with mass murder Herr Hitler?
LHOdidntdoit 5 days ago
@LHOdidntdoit *sigh* Okay, well let me try to ask it a different way, then: What would it mean to you IF the buildings had been rigged with explosives and it was more than just two planes that took down the WTC buildings 1 and 2? What conclusions might you draw from that?
bannana77 5 days ago
@bannana77 Eat me with your patronizing sigh! It would mean almost certainly that it would be an "inside job".
What is this, conspiracy theory 101 for DUMMIES??
LHOdidntdoit 5 days ago